(87 Posts)
JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 10:53:44

(This prompted by the Liz earle thread and the fact I can't face the mirror these days)

I really really want to know if anyone suffers from the same skin problems I do, and what they use - so please bear with the grim details. I did look it up on Google but nothing was forthcoming apart from smallpox

I basically have nice skin, in the sense of small pores, not too greasy, no patches, even tone etc. etc.

But I am very, very prone to a particular sort of spot which seems to be related to sensitive skin.

In 32 years I have tried everything from Clinique and Liz Earle through to Simple, Clearasil, old fashioned cold cream, rosewater toner and oil cleansing, and nothing really seems to help, although I have figured out that I cannot use anything harsh (I can't even exfoliate, even if it says 'sensitive' on the bottle).

But the thing is I get the WEIRDEST spots. I either get a normal pimple or a tiny whitehead usually prompted by cream or make up. Then it gets infected. It heals. THEN, right, this is the gross bit - it won't heal properly because inside is a tiny little hard white ball or plug. The skin won't close over it, so it gets very red and irritated and flaky, and itches like anything - you can see a kind of hole with a white thing lurking in it. This can go on for about three or four weeks.

The only thing that will make it heal is if I literally dig and pick at it until the little plug comes out, and then it will heal over. But by that stage it will be a seriously inflamed bright red often bleeding patch, and takes ages to scab over and heal, and then leaves a scar sad

At the moment I am sporting an English Rose complexion (I am quite fair) marred by about 9 very, very bright red scars and scabs.

Does anyone else get this? How can I stop these plug things forming? Is it scar tissue? I can't afford a dermatologist btw, or I'd be there like a shot!

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 11:01:47

I should've sounded the SPORN Klaxon: that'd get some attention grin

HeathRobinson Fri 07-Sep-12 11:04:58

Can't your GP refer you to a dermatologist?

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 11:11:50

You know, it has literally never occurred to me to think of it as a health problem confused

I see the GP for asthma and fertility issues - the idea of going in and saying "In addition to making my lungs and my uterus work could you please make me pretty again" makes me cringe, but I guess if I have some weird scarring problem it's a legitimate question! grin

HeathRobinson Fri 07-Sep-12 11:22:53

How's your diet? Particularly vitamin A - so cooked carrots etc. I seem to remember reading years ago that a lack of vitamin A was involved in boils, and you talking about plugs under your skin made me think of that.

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 07-Sep-12 11:25:23

It sounds like you're picking at a spot that's not ready to come out?

shrimponastick Fri 07-Sep-12 11:27:47

That sounds really odd, most spots come to a head and then heals over. Very strange.

As above - I would visit the GP. They can refer you to NHS Dermatologist. But not all GPs are that sympathetic, you may need to be 'insistent'. !!

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 11:34:39

My diet's really, really good. I eat too much, but I quite literally never eat anything pre-prepared, never mind junky (not out of virtue - I'm just obssessed with cooking). I wouldn't know whether what I'm eating is high in Vitamin A though - that's a good point. Maybe I should try some multivitamins...

Hazel that's the weird thing. It'll come to a head and it'll clean up nicely and there'll be no more inflammation or anything, then a couple of days later the itching and redness starts and I can see this horrid little ball inside <blech>

Shrimp I'm moving soon, and will hav a new GP - so maybe I'll lead with the skin problems before moving onto the more serious stuff!

It's starting to make me feel really self-conscious. surely to goodness there myst be SOME product I can use??

MadBusLady Fri 07-Sep-12 11:53:29

GP and/or dermatologist referral, definitely. That is nothing like any normal spot I have ever seen or heard of. You've got open sores on your face woman! I wouldn't hesitate to talk to the GP any more than I would for ecezma or athlete's foot waves leper bell wink

Pinot Fri 07-Sep-12 11:53:32

Ooh interesting.

I shall ponder.

Pinot Fri 07-Sep-12 11:55:10

Here's a photo of a little kittehhhhhh to tide you over and not because I've never seen a linky thing on MN before and am goddy to try it, oh no

Pinot Fri 07-Sep-12 11:55:44

OMG that is so clever

valiumredhead Fri 07-Sep-12 11:55:58

I would go to the GP or see the nurse, a dab of antibiotic cream is probably all you need.

I but shed loads of neo sporin when I go to the states or when family visit I put in an order -seems to do the trick.

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 11:58:14

KITTEH!!! Thanks Pinot <mwah>

I've never heard of neo sporin - it sounds the business.

The weird thing is that I don't think it's actually an infection. It seems to happen after the infection, as if it's scarring up from the inside or something confused

There's no harm in going to the GP is there. Perhaps I'll do that.

am laughing at the leper's bell grin

squoosh Fri 07-Sep-12 12:01:00

Ouch Jodie that sounds awful. I agree about the advice re asking your GP for a derm referral or going straight to a dermatologist if you can afford it. I sometimes get horrible cystic spots on my jaw line but I don't think I've heard of what you describe.

<not very helpful emoticon>

valiumredhead Fri 07-Sep-12 12:02:56

I have had a really disgusting, scabby finger for months, kept healing and then being ok again, bit like your zit. Eventually went to the nurse and she took one look at it and said "Oh that's an allergy to washing up liquid, use this steroid cream'

Completely gone and I wish I had gone months ago hmm

Pinot Fri 07-Sep-12 12:03:00

When you have a facial, what do they say?

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 12:04:42

I wonder if Groupon ever has dermatologists?? I might look. It's making me so sad. I have always been fat but my face tided me over, and I can't even rely on that any more WOE WOE SACKCLOTH AND ASHES &c. &c

Squoosh I am now going to Google cystic spots <rubs hands>

MadBusLady Fri 07-Sep-12 12:04:52

Love all you scabby, leprous people. grin It's making me feeling a lot better about my crusty rudolph-style nose.

SrirachaGirl Fri 07-Sep-12 12:08:05

Do you have one of those little extractor tools to try and get the plug out? wonders whether to post my favourite Dr. Vikram video again. <twitches>.

Have you tried taking a fish oil supplement? You can get one especially formulated for skin or an ordinary one but it must be really good quality.

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 07-Sep-12 12:08:13

Jodie, could you try not picking at one, and letting it heal up itself? Using a post creme on it perhaps if your skin's not too sensitive - although it does sound like it could be (sensitive).

Honestly, the day I threw away my 12x magnifying mirror and stopped picking at my skin so much it drastically improved. I was making under-the-skin spots so so much worse by basically opening them up, and probably letting infection in, as well as making the resultant weepiness impossible to put makeup over.

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 12:10:51

Sriracha do post , do!!!

I don't take any supplements but begin to think I should...

Hazel you know what, the simplest answer might be the best. I pick at them ebcause I have convinced myself that they won't heal if I don't get the plug out, or will heal over a bump, but maybe my Mum's right and I should STOP TOUCHING MY FACE. What is post creme though?

coffeeinbed Fri 07-Sep-12 12:12:42

There's something called Zyneryt. [which may or may not be spelt this way]
My GP prescribed it for me once, I had some weird cystic spots.
Cleared all up.
Dont pick! Yer spreading the nasties.

Deux Fri 07-Sep-12 12:32:00

Hi Jodie

I've had those kind of spots that you describe. I think they are infected milia that occur under the skin rather than on the surface. Try googling milia. They aren't spots but plugs of keratin. I think mine are a bit hormone related. Do you get these type of spots on your t zone? I only get them on the drier areas of my face such as cheeks and below cheeks amd jaw line.

My skin right now is the clearest it has ever been. I have only been using non comedogenic products. I use Avene cleanser and MD Formulations glycolic cleanser, MD glycolic cream and Avene moisturiser. No mechanical scrubs or masks or anything like that. I also take quite a high Vitamin D supplement as was diagnosed by GP with a severe deficiency.

Also, I was using a bobbi brown blusher everyday and since it's run out my skin has got even better so I think it was quite clogging.

I came across a US website written by a derm. On it she states that she has found that some people who present with acne actually have some kind of folliculitis. To treat this she recommends the use of anti fungal shampoo. Yes, really. Wash hair with Nizoral type shampoo, then gently rub some lather onto acne affected areas. I was getting spots on my shoulders and did the Nizoral thing and they've all gone. Put it on my face too. Just did it a couple of times. Could be coincidence mind you, who knows I was willing to try anything.

So you're not alone.

valiumredhead Fri 07-Sep-12 12:33:27

I have milia - hot flannel and a sterilised needle sorts them out!

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 07-Sep-12 12:33:51

post creme = spot cream! blush

You're like me, aren't you, you buy ALL the lotions and potions to find the Miracle Cure?!

Deux Fri 07-Sep-12 12:36:35

Meant to say, I'm also taking other supplements. Magnesium, zinc and Spatone iron, b complex. And good quality prenatal vits that I had left over since having DD. I did read that prenatal vits are particularly good for hair and nails.

It's a bit belt and braces.

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 07-Sep-12 12:37:30

NB if it is millia, DEF don't pick at them, and only do the hot flannel/sterilised needle if you can resist picking any more. Millia are just keratin blobs as Deux says, so by picking, you're introducing bacteria etc under the skin and Making It Worse.

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 12:38:52

Oh Deux thank you SO much for posting that - you have described exactly what seems to be happening. I don't suppose you have a link to the website?

Also. I have a severe Vit D deficiency. I am supposed to take a very high dose supplement but never seem to remember blush. That's quite a coincidence....

Am rubbing my hands at thought of hot flannel and needle fun, though know from past experience that in my case I'll end up with a great big boil because I will pick it

Sorry HazelI should have been able to work that out!! And yes. Yes, I do! Every single pot seems to hold out the lure of Youth and Beauty hmm

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 12:39:47

Am also Googling milia - if they are something that can also form after there has been a spot/cut (rather than something that just happens) then that deffo sounds like it...

VivaLeBeaver Fri 07-Sep-12 12:41:07

I have two weird spots on my face that I've had for years. They're both like hard, red lumps. The surface is a bit scabby without been a scab, so unsure if this is excess keratin.

I then get a hair in the middle of it which can't break through the hard scab and the whole thing gets bigger, redder and itchy. I have to pick at it and then tweeze a massive long hair out. Then it properly scabs. Kind of dies down and then builds back up over the next few weeks.

Does anyone know if a dermatologist could sort that sort of thing out?

squoosh Fri 07-Sep-12 12:42:20

Wow. I love the breadth of knowledge that you can tap into on MN. The folliculitis/ant fungal shampoo thing is fascinating.

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 12:47:08

Viva it sounds like that's related to an ingrowing hair - what about having it zapped at the root, like people do for permanent facial hair removal??

Disclaimer: don't know anything about this stuff.

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 12:49:37

I reckon I have Hyperkeratinization


SoggySummer Fri 07-Sep-12 12:50:03

Do you exfoliate?

You should be exfoliating once a week with a gentle exfoliator if you have sensitive skin.

The other thing you may consider is introducing steaming into your skin care routine. This may soften the little white plugs, open up your pores so they can come out more easily???

valiumredhead Fri 07-Sep-12 12:52:22

I can get Millia out without so much as a tinge of redness <expert>

VivaLeBeaver Fri 07-Sep-12 12:52:25

I'm not sure they'd be able to zap the hair through the hard, scabby surface?

Deux Fri 07-Sep-12 12:52:32

Jodie, I had a quick look for the Nizoral link but couldn't find it. I need to get DDs lunch so I'll have a did around later.

There are some vids on you tube on how to remove milia. If you can see the white bit clearly and the skin isn't inflamed , you kind of slide a sterilised needle into the top of the milia horizontally and pull the needle up. So don't go in from the top. The milia plug has a layer of skin over it so you need to remove that layer first. Then you kind of hook out the little plug

Nothing like a bit of DIY surgery!

One other thing. When I was a teenager my mum went to the chemist complaining about what I now realise were milia on her eye socket. The chemist rummaged around in the back of the shop and came out with a brown pot containing a cream. Turns out it was actually aqueous cream and my mum hailed it a wonder cream. Haven't tried it myself to treat milia.

Pinot Fri 07-Sep-12 12:54:07

babies get milia very often - you're told not to pick, but if you do, they come out like tiny white hard balls. Almost like seeds.

Would the flexitol cream used for KP be any good?

I shall not tell you that my husband (then DP) had tiny white balls appear a month or so after we'd come back from Kenya. And I will not tell you that they turned out to be tsutsu fly eggs from where a naughty fly had buried under his skin to have her babies. A part of my DH's butt is, as I type, floating in formaldehyde at St Georges Hospital in Tooting, in the Tropical Disease Dept. True story.

OhThisIsJustGrape Fri 07-Sep-12 12:54:40

Don't pick at them! That's the most important thing - picking/squeezing/digging etc WILL lead to scarring.

You say that you're seeking help with fertility issues, have you been tested for PCOS? My skin used to be terrible and I was diagnosed with PCOS, acne was my only symptom apart from being unable to conceive.

Definitely ask for a referral to a derm, you'll be able to see one of the NHS for sure. If your gp fobs you off then see another until you get referred. Acne scarring is virtually impossible to remedy if it is the pitted type so you need to act now before it reaches that point. Red marks can be faded using glycolic products.

The only thing that has cleared my skin up completely is using MD Formulations Glycolic products, Lily Lolo make up (so no longer clogging pores with liquid foundation and concealer) and Alpha H Liquid Gold. Honestly.

valiumredhead Fri 07-Sep-12 12:54:45

YY they are like tiny seeds very satisfying

Stellarella123 Fri 07-Sep-12 12:54:55

I have something that sounds the same, I have been prescribed zineryt from the doctor which has worked before but recently even that wasn't working, I googled it and got advised to buy a face wash that has no sodium laureth sulfate in it, which I got from holland and barrat heath shop, seems to have made a difference, anythings worth a try, it does sound like something isn't agreeing with your skin, I have also tried all the non comedigenic moisturisers etc which made no difference, if what I'm doing doesn't work I'm going to try the nizoral shampoo smile good luck x

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 12:55:48

Soggy if I exfoliate my face turns into a bright red sore poorly thing with loads of bumps within the next 24 hours. I can manage a gentle buff with a flannel. And actually now you mention it I think I used to scrub with a tiny bit of caster sugar in oil - that might be worth a shot...

Laughing at acqueous cream wonder cure!!

Steaming might help the little hard white bits come out...but I must emphasise these aren't like normal milia, smooth hard bumps underneath unbroken skin - it's underneath the can where the spot was inside a perfectly round hole.

...and yep, just made myself feel really sick.

squoosh Fri 07-Sep-12 12:56:20

Pinot I nearly swallowed my tongue in horror at that story! shock

Deux Fri 07-Sep-12 12:56:28
Pinot Fri 07-Sep-12 12:57:06

It's gross isn't it?! I married him anyway <gracious>

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 12:58:28

Pinot shock shock

Well that's my night's sleep ruined for the next week!

Sorry if I'm not responding all the very useful posts...but this is turning into a General COnfession for Crap Skin, which I quite like grin

Stella that's all really interesting...I have switched to Bare Minerals and util about 2 months ago my skin was LOADS better for not using cream makeup but not now

I have had the old scans and don't have PCOS (apparently anyway!) so I don't think that's an element, though they might be wrong of course...

Pinot Fri 07-Sep-12 13:00:26

I've always wondered if you can have PCOS without the wealth of cysts. I mean, I have terrible hormonal skin and <ahem> other symptoms but no cysts ever appear whenever I get scanned. I have all the symptoms, bar the bloody cysts.

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 13:01:44

I've often thought that Pinot....mind you I am unhairy and don't have coarse hair/dry skin ( are they symptoms?). I think basically I am just looking for an excuse for my weight grin

OhThisIsJustGrape Fri 07-Sep-12 13:04:06

I didn't have any cysts visible on a scan of my ovaries - they then took a biopsy of my ovaries and diagnosed me that way.

BookFairy Fri 07-Sep-12 13:05:09

I got those weird spots as part of the nasty acne/eczema/sensitive skin I've had going on. I see a Derm. and take a v low dose of Roaccutane. Be super careful before putting Nizarol on your face/scalp if you have sensitive skin. I had the same idea but was told by the Derm. it is too harsh!

OhThisIsJustGrape Fri 07-Sep-12 13:05:42

Oh and I am not hairy, I'm actually underweight, I had difficulty conceiving (secondary infertility) and spotty skin - that's all! Although after treatment I did go on to conceive so anything is possible smile

Pinot Fri 07-Sep-12 13:07:20

Oh, I don't have coarse skin or dry hair. But I do have chin hairs like a character in bloody Macbeth hmm grin And I am tubby, but then I'm a reet greedy cow.

AWimbaWay Fri 07-Sep-12 13:15:35

I want to know how pinot made the fluffy kitten appear! (and I also have crap spotty flakey skin)

coffeeinbed Fri 07-Sep-12 13:25:33

Have you tried rosehip oil, btw?
It should help with this.

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 07-Sep-12 13:53:25


Yup I am shouting! What are you doing, you mad thing? Sugar is all jaggedy and sharp. Also, a flannel is not that soft either. Be nice to your skin, don't scrape the hell out if it!

If you think you need to exfoliate, use a muslin cloth to gently wipe ofyour cleanser, and/or a very gentle scrub, scrubbbed gently. I like Demalogica's Daily Microfoliant, which I use max 1x pw.

AWimbaWay Fri 07-Sep-12 13:54:20

Ooh, I've been wanting to ask about rosehip oil! Do you need to mix it with another oil or can you just apply it on it's own, if you do mix it what ratios and which carrier oil would people recommend? Thank you.

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 07-Sep-12 13:54:51

OOh, ooh, just remembered. Silicone. I hate it, it makes my skin go dreadful and really really spotty with itchy spots. Jodes, you're not using anything like a primer are you?

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 13:56:35


That was about a decade ago Hazel but you're right, I feel it would not be best approach just at the moment! I will try sort of buffing with a muslin cloth and see what help that does it..

Yes I'm wearing primer every day shock shock Is that bad? I need it to make my Bare Minerals stick sad

I haven't yet tried rosehip oil which is of the oddness since I am normally right on any MN fad!

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 07-Sep-12 13:56:39

Loving the tip re nizoral btw, I have a patch of spots on my upper back/shoulder area (mm nice) that are really really persistent. By which I mean permanent. I am going to Nizoral them to hell and see what happens!

Pinot Fri 07-Sep-12 13:57:16

AWimbaWasy - I just whack rosehip oil on my face, like a serum. I think that's de rigeur.

Here's a lovely pic of Marilyn to cheer us all up. In my Files, I called this "Woman".

Pinot Fri 07-Sep-12 13:58:20

no no primers - a coating of Mineral Veil to absorb oil, then BM (well, LilyLolo for me as it doesn't block pores), then Mineral Veil to finish. Like a sandwich.

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 07-Sep-12 14:01:42

ER primer, all I know is it's bad for me. It contains loads of silicone, which is what makes it feel velvety smooth. I use it and I have lovely smooth skin for a couple of days and beautifully adhered makeup... then I get odd angry under the skin spots. Then I stop using it and those spots clear up.

Maybe it's worth a try stopping using it? Which primer is it, btw?

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 07-Sep-12 14:01:56

ER = Re

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 14:11:58

Am ROARING at Pinot having a file marked WOMAN grin grin

I would be SO thrilled if I could do without Primer, not least because it costs a fucking fortune. I use the Bare Min one.

I will definitely give it a go (skipping primer for Pinot's sandwich method)...

AWimbaWay Fri 07-Sep-12 14:17:18

Thanks Pinot, will be purchasing some sharpish. I'm feeling envy at you picture posting powers though.

Pinot Fri 07-Sep-12 14:29:26

Marilyn is Woman <dark looks> I even loved that TV Show about a fictional Broadway show about her. Dang but I forget it's name.

AWimbaWay Fri 07-Sep-12 14:36:59

Smash grin

OhThisIsJustGrape Fri 07-Sep-12 14:37:40

The BM primer is crapola imo. I've been using OC8 mattifying gel for the last 7 months and haven't broken out once. My skin is really oily though so I need it to stop me looking like I've stuck my face in chip fat but it primes my skin fantastically too. And is only £10 and lasts around 4 months. I use the Lily Lolo matte finishing powder on top of it, then the foundation, then finish with another layer of finishing powder.

Are you using the matte BM Jodie? If not, it could well be the bismuth that you're reacting too you know. I can't rate Lily Lolo highly enough, it's bismuth free plus it's way cheaper than BM wink

I recently started with spots in mid 30s and my gp was great about it. I thought i was being a bit precious but they were happy to help even though it wasn't that severe. A few months of low dose antibiotics got rid of them and now i am keeping them away with a different pill and antibiotic cream. Go to your doctor!

Deux Fri 07-Sep-12 14:41:13

Just about the Nizoral, in case not clear.

I put the LATHER on afflicted areas and not the shampoo straight. And not for very long as I was worried that skin would just burn off. I think I only left it on for 2 minutes and not very long on my face, I just rubbed it around a bit then rinsed off. It's very strong. Hair was a bit limp afterwards.

Pinot Fri 07-Sep-12 14:45:51

Smash! Yes! Love it. My olde brain thanks you grin

AWimbaWay Fri 07-Sep-12 14:48:05

A ha, I see

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 14:48:36

I wasn't too sure about Smash. I couldn't see anything not to love about a musical show about Marilyn with Grace in it and everything, but just ended up not watching it confused

Pinot Fri 07-Sep-12 14:49:59

hahaha @ that pic

shurrup Jodie it was ACE.

AWimbaWay Fri 07-Sep-12 14:50:52

If people go to their GP with problem skin are you taken seriously? I've been meaning to go about mine for ages but feel a bit like I'm wasting their time. Are they likely to prescribe cream or tablets do you think? I never had spots as a teenager but now I get terrible hormonal breakouts that are leaving scars.

AWimbaWay Fri 07-Sep-12 14:51:54

And yes, Smash WAS ace.

JodieHarsh Fri 07-Sep-12 15:10:49


Perhaps I should give it another go. It's prolly all stacked up on the SkyBox unless DH has deleted it to make room for South Park...

OhThisIsJustGrape Fri 07-Sep-12 16:06:06

Wimba - yes they will take you seriously and if your gp doesn't then see another who will. Tbh, if you are convinced yours are hormone related then push for a dermatologist referral as they have far more resources when it comes to prescription drugs than gps.

AWimbaWay Fri 07-Sep-12 16:36:12

Thank you grape, I'll try for an appointment next week, I can feel a huge cluster developing down the side of my nose as I type! Pretty sure they're hormonal as they get much worse the week before my period then slowly improve, I have about half a day spot free before the whole cycle starts again angry.

SrirachaGirl Fri 07-Sep-12 17:28:15

Tried to post the awesome Dr vikram video but not sure how to do on iPad yet. Will do later when on normal computer.

Two thoughts on reading back through this thread:

- you can have PCOS without cysts being visible on scans (I do).
- good GPs will take skin problems seriously, especially if they are hormone related, so don't hesitate to ask because they have lots of things they can prescribe that can help

squoosh Fri 07-Sep-12 17:32:34

Is this the filth you refer to Sriracha? Bloody hell!

<decides against macaroni cheese for dinner>

MadBusLady Fri 07-Sep-12 17:44:50


Oh. My. God.

SrirachaGirl Fri 07-Sep-12 20:58:25

That's the one, squoosh. It's the best sporn video EVER. "So, so many blackheads" <said with posh Indian accent>.

Thanks for that grin.

Apologies, OP. Total thread hijack blush.

JodieHarsh Sat 08-Sep-12 09:02:15


Pinot Sun 09-Sep-12 09:40:27
trixymalixy Sun 09-Sep-12 12:29:12

I get these under my chin. They appear at the time of my period and I used to do the same as you and pick at them. They lasted for months until eventually the hard core came out. I get milia too, but they are easy to remove with a needle. The spots under my chin are a different matter altogether.

I am experimenting with leaving them alone. They seem to calm down into a hard white lump which is better than the scabby patches I had before and then months later erupt again and the core comes out.

It sounds like seeing my GP would be a good idea though....

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