Anna Wintour lost the plot

(97 Posts)
SundaySimmons Fri 21-Mar-14 19:08:57

On putting Kim kardashian and Kanye West on the cover of Vogue.

"'Part of the pleasure of editing Vogue, one that lies in a long tradition of this magazine, is being able to feature those who define the culture at any given moment, who stir things up, whose presence in the world shapes the way it looks and influences the way we see it.
I think we can all agree on the fact that that role is currently being played by Kim and Kanye to a T. (Or perhaps that should be to a K?)

'As for the cover, my opinion is that it is both charming and touching, and it was, I should add, entirely our idea to do it; you may have read that Kanye begged me to put his fiancée on Vogue’s cover.
He did nothing of the sort. The gossip might make better reading, but the simple fact of the matter is that it isn’t true.

'There’s barely a strand of the modern media that the Kardashian Wests haven’t been able to master, and for good reason: Kanye is an amazing performer and cultural provocateur, while Kim, through her strength of character, has created a place for herself in the glare of the world’s spotlight, and it takes real guts to do that."

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I bought every copy of Vogue from 1980 until 1995 and then two or three a year and now the occasional copy, maybe one a year. I always buy one for my friend at Christmas. I loved it, absolutely loved it back in the 1980s/90s.

Hilarious that it has now come to Kim kardashian being on the cover, quite possibly the worst dressed woman ever, who came to fame through a sex tape and her father's name.

Now I know I will never buy it again as it's sunk so low!

The cover photo taken by Annie Leibovitz is awful, Kim's hands look huge and mannish.

Dappydongle Fri 21-Mar-14 19:13:33

Kim's hands don't look man-ish, your perception of a normal woman is clearly warped after reading Vogue for so long!

Puddles1234 Fri 21-Mar-14 19:14:42

I completely disagree, I have read vogue since I was a little girl. My Mum, Granny and various Aunts are all avid readers and I love the cover.

Anna Wintour has made a shrewd decision as this cover will sell worldwide and will most probably have to be reprinted, whether you like Kanye and Kim their ability to make headlines from one Instagram photo or stepping out in Paris or New York is undeniable. They are relevant right now and that is what American Vogue is all about ultimately. Anna wants to tap into whats hot when its hot. I only read American, British and French Vogue but out of those Vogue Paris is probably the only 'true' fashion vogue now.

Seeing Kim in Lanvin and Mcqueen has made me want to marry my husband again.

SundaySimmons Fri 21-Mar-14 19:15:29

I didn't say her hands are large and mannish. Kim is petite (except for her derrière), the way her hands are in the forefront makes them look wider and bigger than what they are.

It's not a flattering photo.

ThursdayLast Fri 21-Mar-14 19:19:10

I agree Sunday.
Kanye West is NOT what I consider iconic.
I suppose KK is beautiful, and that is what Vogue is about, but their relationship just seems so publicity obsessed. Distasteful I suppose.

MrsCampbellBlack Fri 21-Mar-14 19:22:59

I love vogue and have both uk and us on subscription - I also have a guilty love of the Khardashians so am looking forward to my issue arriving.

I also think that Kim is very beautiful and presumably she sells so I don't see why its a bad choice really - I bet it will be a commercial succes.

santamarianovella Fri 21-Mar-14 19:25:39

I'm sorry puddles but I hardly think anyone finds Kim style interesting ,or fashionable,and I don't think you will find people are anticipating her every move,I never heard anyone in paris talks about her.

MrsCampbellBlack Fri 21-Mar-14 19:27:07

People do find Kim and Kanye interesting - they may not talk about it in public though wink And especially not in Paris.

TacitusMouse Fri 21-Mar-14 19:27:44

You said they look mannish but to me they don't!

I'm probably not a target Vogue reader but I think they look nice and Kim doesn't look like a stick unlike some of their other models (which I know is what fashion is about so the clothes hang right etc but I personally don't like that)

SundaySimmons Fri 21-Mar-14 19:30:17

Paris, Texas maybe but not Paris, France!

It is a sign of the times when celebrity for celebrity sake is revered over talent and good taste. I am referring to Kim, not kanye, although he comes across as a bit of a nob!

bigkidsdidit Fri 21-Mar-14 19:33:31

I think Kim is extremely beautiful. And while she might not always get it 'right', she is obviously very interested in fashion ad loves clothes. So why not!

Puddles1234 Fri 21-Mar-14 19:34:12

santamarianovella I never said people in Paris were talking about her. I actually said that whether they are posting photos to Instagram or stepping out in Paris or New York they are making headlines.

American Vogue has always been more commercial than say Vogue Paris since Wintour started editing it.

bigkidsdidit Fri 21-Mar-14 19:34:33

But vogue has always done this. Princess Diana on the cover - she was born wealthy and had no talent as such. What's the difference?

MrsCampbellBlack Fri 21-Mar-14 19:35:35

Quite, vogue is all about the celebs nowadays.

doubleshotespresso Fri 21-Mar-14 19:36:03

Just this....

dexter73 Fri 21-Mar-14 19:37:44

Kanye is a massive dick and I have no interest in Kim Kardashian but loads of people do so I imagine that issue will sell very well.

nipersvest Fri 21-Mar-14 19:38:01

yep, totally. i can't get past the whole sex tape this with kk.

MarshaBrady Fri 21-Mar-14 19:40:01

It means nothing to me, I don't watch the shows and have only seen KK on links from here. The shot is too coy for me and too long hashtag.

But it will get pr I suppose, sounds like print needs it.

Amandine29 Fri 21-Mar-14 19:41:01

I think the photo is actually quite a good representation of KK. Of course, she is beautiful (ignoring her fashion sense). But the way she gazes out to the photographer as Kanye West is cuddled into her neck shows that 'strength of character' (or whatever you want to call it) that has made her famous. It is a very calculated pose. Always looking to the camera, striking a pose, the intermingling of the public/personal.

MrsCampbellBlack Fri 21-Mar-14 19:41:05

Yeap like Beyonce and Jay Z are paragons.

Honestly, they're all celebs with incredibly manufactured images - I don't get the snobbishness about Kim K really. She's pretty and has managed to create a pretty amazing career out of it despite not fitting the 'norms' of beauty.

GillTheGiraffe Fri 21-Mar-14 19:43:37

It's a very poor picture. She is not wearing that dress well. It looks a bit sqiffy on her.

Puffykins Fri 21-Mar-14 19:50:33

I think it's brilliant. A lot of people were similarly derisive of Victoria Beckham's first Vogue cover(s), but nobody would question it now. I find Kim Kardashian fascinating, and I'm thrilled to see her on the cover of Vogue US. My only irritation is that it takes so long for my subscription to arrive! I'm longing to read the interview, which was done by Hamish Bowles who is BRILLIANT.

santamarianovella Fri 21-Mar-14 20:01:27

marsha I guess, pr is what they are after, they did get a lot of publicity after that Lena Dunham cover,but at least Lena had something to "offer" she has a hit show,and is a filmmaker,who is not the normal Hollywood looking kinda girl,
But I can't find one aspect of KK life that I find interesting,to learn about.

MrsCampbellBlack Fri 21-Mar-14 20:03:30

KK isn't the normal looking hollywood girl though is she?

dexter73 Fri 21-Mar-14 20:05:28

Actually, when I say I have no interest in KK that is not strictly true - her arse absolutely mesmerises me with it's hugeness! Is it real?

BloodFlower Fri 21-Mar-14 20:05:49

I'm not impressed, but I'm not surprised either.

MrsCampbellBlack Fri 21-Mar-14 20:10:55

Honestly Dexter if you kept up with current events you'd know she had a scan on her show and proved it was real [rolls eyes] wink

dexter73 Fri 21-Mar-14 20:12:53

I have never watched the Kardashian show as I am not that shallow Mrs CB only the Real Housewives for me wink

MrsCampbellBlack Fri 21-Mar-14 20:14:18

I should have known Dexter. I ahem have been known to occasionally watch that too.

dexter73 Fri 21-Mar-14 20:15:58

Best programme on tv!

Methe Fri 21-Mar-14 20:16:49

I think she looks like she needs a good wash.

MrsCampbellBlack Fri 21-Mar-14 20:18:16

New Jersey has become my recent guilty addiction. I have to watch on laptop in the kitchen so children/DH don't realise what I'm doing.

santamarianovella Fri 21-Mar-14 20:18:52

I love RHOBH,I want to be like yolanda foster,when I grow up.

MrsCampbellBlack Fri 21-Mar-14 20:19:33

No Santa - yolanda has gone bad and backstabby crazy. You don't want to be her.

MrsCampbellBlack Fri 21-Mar-14 20:20:15

I do read books and stuff though as well and listen to r4 honestly. blush

redrubyindigo Fri 21-Mar-14 20:20:52

I have no idea who they are? Honestly. What do they do? I have seen the name.

TheAwfulDaughter Fri 21-Mar-14 20:22:32

So so tacky. It's Vogue ffs, not OK.

dexter73 Fri 21-Mar-14 20:24:02

KK appears in the Daily Mail regularly looking vacant and wearing a crop top and pencil skirt. Kanye makes awful music and says really stupid things.

bigkidsdidit Fri 21-Mar-14 20:25:19

How can you not know? I've never seen the programme, I don't have sky. I read the guardian and listen exclusively to radio 4. I still know all about her. It's just common currency isn't it?

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Fri 21-Mar-14 20:26:23

Thumbs down. This is not what I have always bought Vogue for. Vogue is supposed to rise above this kind of populist crap. Depressing but unsurprising.

And, more importantly, if Vogue was going to do this I'd expect them to come up with some absolutely awesome photography, really great and eye-catching images. This cover? Absolute meh.

santamarianovella Fri 21-Mar-14 20:28:16

Can i just have her house and closet? ,just bags and jewellery,I don't think I can fit my tiny 5'5 frame in to her clothes,

TheGirlFromIpanema Fri 21-Mar-14 20:30:09

Fair play to them I say! I think Kanye is a real hottie and KK seems like the sort of girl who'd make a decent mate smile

She doesn't listen to the haterzzzzzz anyways grin

coffeeinbed Fri 21-Mar-14 20:38:17

American Vogue has the most hilarious photoshop fuck ups.
I agree with OP though.

Sorry, I just don't see the appeal of those two.

seasalt Fri 21-Mar-14 23:05:03

Looks more like the cover of OK magazine. I don't like the clothes Kim wears, look really uncomfortable on her.

scarletforya Fri 21-Mar-14 23:13:37

Anna Wintour never had the plot in the first place. Have your seen her hair!?

noblegiraffe Fri 21-Mar-14 23:17:51

What's her career? What does she actually do? I've seen pictures of her arse and heard she did a sex tape. Apart from that, what has she got to talk about in an interview?

RhondaJean Fri 21-Mar-14 23:20:14

It's very lowest common denominator isn't it.

JohnCusacksWife Sat 22-Mar-14 00:31:25

Have never in my whole life read Vogue and never seen KK's show.....am I weird?!

Plus think anyone sporting Anna Wintour's hairstyle clearly never had the plot in the first place. Am i about to be excommunicated from S&B.....?

squoosh Sat 22-Mar-14 00:38:10

Hate it.

Kim Kardashian is monumentally dull. Amazing that such a 'top' celebrity an be so utterly banal and one dimensional. I don't mind a bit slebdom but at least be interesting. She is beautiful but her cosmetically altered bum and face are verging into the weird territory.

Kanye is an utter wanker. Just looking at him brings me out in hives. He's been after the Vogue cover so desperately I suspect it means more to him than the baby!

Badly done Anna, badly done.

squoosh Sat 22-Mar-14 00:42:29

No.

Thundercrackers Sat 22-Mar-14 09:52:13

On the one hand, though, I can see why Anna has done this - she realises that print media is dying rapidly and wants to tap into a new, lucrative audience. However, what luminaries are going to want to grace her covers now? Do you really think Michelle Obama or anyone else respectable, interesting and relevant will want to appear now in the wake of this pair? Especially since rumours abound that Kanye had to pay a LOT of money and spend a lot of time to make this all happen. I don't have anything against Kim and Kanye personally, but Vogue can now no longer be set apart from all the low rent gossip mags anymore - it's become a celebrity thing and that's hard to step back from commercially.

FrugalFashionista Sat 22-Mar-14 10:07:33

Anna really has her finger on the pulse. In Feb, she had the Lena Dunham cover wink American Vogue has always been quite commercial and Kim & Kanye is a shrewd move - I mean, we are actually talking about it...

I think high fashion is struggling atm. It's all about Russian oligarchs' wives and Asian buyers these days and all the interesting stuff is happening in the blogosphere and on Instagram. Print media feels like a dinosaur. I read a bunch of fashion mags on the plane and they all seemed a bit obsolete. All of them included street style pics that we all have seen months ago...

Ilovecoodomol Sat 22-Mar-14 10:19:36

It's all down to giving the public what they want and shifting magazines. Vogue had a cover of Adele on it, a close up face shot and she looked fantastic. Her makeup was beautiful, I bought it just for the cover so I could rip off the look but apparently it was one of the worst selling Vogue covers. Sad really, what was that about?

Apatite1 Sat 22-Mar-14 10:24:17

A money making move that'll do well. Not surprising and holds no interest for me.

FrugalFashionista Sat 22-Mar-14 10:29:58

I wouldn't be surprised to see Kanye performing and Kim preening next time Obama throws a big party - I mean, he's already a fan. It's equally important for him to show that he gets popular culture and if his voters are interested what Kim is wearing, he may have to feign interest as well wink
Personally I think Kanye is a genius, I just don't get his taste in women wink

TheGrassIsSinging Sat 22-Mar-14 10:39:03

Celebrity cukture is vastly more lucrative than high fashion. Wintour knows this. Nobody cares about 'supermodels' anymore.

I'm not a fan of Kim (what does she do?) or Kanye (seems a vile egotist), but I can absolutely see why Wintour has made this move. This issue will sell like wildfire.

Also a part of me that likes seeing a black man and a voluptuous woman on the cover instead of yet another emaciated, pasty moggle.

Bonsoir Sat 22-Mar-14 10:42:29

I cannot bear the sight of either of them - they look like a pair of blinged up rhinos to me! No charm, beauty, elegance, intellect, culture or wit at all.

TSSDNCOP Sat 22-Mar-14 10:52:01

If Anna had printed this as her cover, she'd have nailed it.

overthemill Sat 22-Mar-14 10:55:45

Apart from seeing pictures of her sometimes in mags in the supermarket I genuinely having no idea who she is. Or her fiancé? I love how the media defines who is interesting or if relevance in the UK today - but then I don't play that game. I do know who Anna wintour is though!

nipersvest Sat 22-Mar-14 11:14:07

here's quick reminder of how classy trashy kk is

dexter73 Sat 22-Mar-14 11:37:32

That's brilliant nipers!!

NinetyNinePercentTroll Sat 22-Mar-14 11:43:57

airbrushed to fuck. Even the ripples on the dress look like they've been done.

Anniegoestotown Sat 22-Mar-14 11:54:10

As someone who rarely watches tv am I showing complete ignorance in asking who these people are and what makes them so worthy of a front cover of a magazine.

I also have got to my 50's without ever picking up a copy of Vogue.

Robfordscrack Sat 22-Mar-14 12:49:46

Vogue is and always has been a load of vapid rubbish so it's quite fitting that Kim and Kanye are on the cover.

AnnabelleDarling Sat 22-Mar-14 13:06:34

I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. It was Anna Wintour who started the trend of putting celebrities on the cover of Vogue, they sell far more copies than when there is a model on the cover. Vogue is a commercial operation, KW/KK are huge stars, whatever your opinion of them, so it seems a logical choice for AW to make.

OlympiaFox Sat 22-Mar-14 14:58:58

It's a nice enough picture but they represent a trashy, superficial, brainless culture that is aspirational only to the type of idiots that salivate over reality tv shows and want to be (in)famous for nothing of value or substance. Vogue can't appeal to that audience without losing their current one.

polyhymnia Sat 22-Mar-14 18:24:55

Are their current audience high-minded, deep-thinking super-refined and aesthetic intellectuals then? Don't think so !

squoosh Sat 22-Mar-14 18:32:46

You think their average reader is an airhead?

polyhymnia Sat 22-Mar-14 18:47:51

No - I read it myself - but not do I think every reader is a paragon of intelligence and good taste - I imagine their readers are a mixed group as with many publications.

Also think they've had plenty of covers in past featuring celebs with no great 'depth' ( eg, as mentioned, Princess Diana).

lurkingaround Sat 22-Mar-14 18:55:26

Seems like a shrewd financial move to me. Longterm I'm not sure. Boring to me but that's just me.

So, tell me, I know the Kardashians exist, 3(?) sisters, money, bottoms. But will someone give me a synopsis of the sex tape thingy <too lazy to google>.

squoosh Sat 22-Mar-14 19:02:26

Fair enough polyhymnia.

lurking the sex tape would seem to have been 'leaked' by Kardashian HQ themselves. I think it was the tape that increased KK's celeb currency by 100% and launched the family and their show as a 'top' showbiz brand

lurkingaround Sat 22-Mar-14 19:07:05

Thanks squoosh. Who was involved etc.
What I can't get over is the fact that people make fantastic livings out of....well.....nothing. Nothing. Never ceases to amaze me. Sorry, I'm tangent-ing again.

bigkidsdidit Sat 22-Mar-14 19:10:46

I genuinely don't see much of a difference to Diana on the cover, except class.

squoosh Sat 22-Mar-14 19:12:43

It co-starred her then boyfriend, don't think he was particularly famous. It would seem it was all very tastefully and flatteringly shot, good lighting, delicate little moans and no actual shots of her naked.

Disclaimer: I haven't watched the film but have read disparaging descriptions on highbrow websites such as ummmm, Dlisted.com.

thedrunkenduck Sat 22-Mar-14 19:13:48

Is it just me- or does north look photoshopped in on the first photo on the daily mail website??

Not to mention how distressed she looks to be placed with two virtual strangers while flashing lights are going off in her face.

Guitargirl Sat 22-Mar-14 19:17:37

Oh for crying out loud, it is a magazine - probably the lowest common denominator in terms of reading material. I think it's hilarious that so many posters seem to think that Vogue is some kind of high-brow publication!

But for a fashion magazine, I think they could have put the woman in a dress which fitted properly.

HazeltheMcWitch Sat 22-Mar-14 19:20:03

People, he invented leather jogging trousers - of course he should be on the cover!

lurkingaround Sat 22-Mar-14 19:23:04

Thanks again squoosh. Sounds marvellously boring. And there she is, on the front cover of Vogue. Hilarious, when you think about it.

SundaySimmons Sat 22-Mar-14 19:29:35

GuitarGirl, Vogue used to have more credibility, it's gone completely downhill and the latest cover with Kim shows it is now on a par with OK magazine.

I also think it's a bad photo. Annie is a renowned photographer but this pose is bad. No extension to Kim's neck, her hands look awkward and Kanye peering over her shoulder looking stiff.

JapaneseMargaret Sat 22-Mar-14 20:29:13

I'm sure it will sell loads of magazines.

I mean, that's why Heat puts celebs on their covers - it sells loads of magazines. So now, American Vogue is not really any different from Heat. Certainly not a cut above, which is how it's traditionally pitched itself.

It's a bit of a sell-out move. Either you're in the business of high-end fashion, or you're in the business of shifting magazines via the medium of common-denominator celebs. You can't really be both.

I always thought followers of the Kardashians were teens and twenty-somethings, and the reason they never captured my imagination (40 yrs old) is just because i'm no longer part of the demographic that is in thrall to reality celebs. I'm surprised to learn I'm obviously quite wrong about that.

I'm not sure how they and Kim's husband have managed to pretty much pass me by without somehow reeling me with their 'fascinating-ness'. They are not a guilty secret of mine, but each to their own.

FrugalFashionista Sat 22-Mar-14 20:33:00

I've been a longtime fan on Vogue but my interest is waning and frankly I think they are not super interested in me either wink as I'm too old and spend too little...

I read both the US and Br Vogue the other day and the celebs don't bother me - what is really embarrassing about those mags these days is
1) the extremely poor writing (Hamish Bowles and Calgary Avansino, looking at you)
2) the vapid advertorials (plugs for brands that are made to look like magazine content - it's just as embarrasing as a blind date organized by your mother)
3) anyone who can pay can advertise there - hence, there was a huge spread on Tesco clothing. Sadly, it was a better than some of their main editorial content <eyeroll>
4) their uncritical attitude towards plastic surgery
5) the 'style steals' type column in US Vogue that features a $500+ outfit as affordable - how out of touch can they be?

Squoosh D-listed had an in-depth analysis on Voguecovergate - 'with the personality of popped bubble wrap' sums it up grin

TyrannosaurusBex Sat 22-Mar-14 22:39:00

Diana Vreeland must be spinning in her grave.

ZacharyQuack Sun 23-Mar-14 09:24:56

Gofugyourself have an interesting post on this cover.

TheGrassIsSinging Sun 23-Mar-14 10:02:28

Fashion mags are wank anyway. Who wants to leaf through thirty pages pf perfume ads to get to a half page of advertorial masquerading as journalism?

Cannot believe Vogue has survived.

burnishedsilver Sun 23-Mar-14 13:15:31

Vogue considers itself to be beautiful and classy. That pair of fools are neither.

itsbetterthanabox Sun 23-Mar-14 13:50:06

How is it different to having any other celeb on the cover? Mags want to sell issues. These are two famous people so will help it sell. Vogue is gross anyway don't read it, it will rot your brain.

That KK always looks a bit gormless to me.

JoanRanger Sun 23-Mar-14 16:56:57

"Mannish"? Blimey... confused

Floisme Sun 23-Mar-14 18:48:18

I buy Vogue. I enjoy looking at beautiful clothes, even if I can’t afford them. But I am bemused at the idea that it is (or was) some kind of cultural heavyweight. I think I might actually find a feature on Kim Kardashian more interesting than yet another day-in-the-life piece on some heiress who has just launched her own fashion line – which is what passes for content half of the time. And at least Kardashian probably didn’t go to boarding school with the person interviewing her.

TollgateDebs Mon 24-Mar-14 17:16:16

Has she lost the plot, or generated much needed publicity for the title? Fashion magazines are struggling and are really just advertising carriers now, with blogs carrying so much more editorial content and, sometimes, the ability to be more honest with their articles. Magazines just can't afford to be honest and upset their advertisers, with the result that they all end up carrying very similar bland content, so watch out for KK appearing elsewhere!

Floisme Mon 24-Mar-14 17:32:10

I agree with that, TollgateDebs. Vogue are totally in thrall to their advertisers and every issue is a little bit duller than the last.

TollgateDebs Tue 25-Mar-14 11:57:20

Something that has just occurred to me, is that AW may be lining up her next career move, so buttering up those who may be in a position to employ her - nothing to back this up, just wondering why this leap into the world of reality celebrities

mummymia21 Tue 25-Mar-14 13:20:10

I think it's better than the latest one - having Nigella on the cover. Lower still IMHO.

sansucre Tue 25-Mar-14 14:23:24

Celebrities by far outsell models when it comes to the cover of US Vogue.

I think anyone who suggests that Anna Wintour has lost the plot doesn't understand the media/magazine covers or even fashion. Most pertinently, they also don't seem to grasp that US Vogue isn't a magazine just about fashion, it's always prided itself as being a magazine that encapsulates what is 'en vogue' - something that is popular at a particular moment and time.

So, no, I don't think Anna Wintour has lost the plot at all, she's incredibly canny and knows exactly what she's doing. For whatever reasons, everybody is talking about the cover of US Vogue, so the advertisers are happy. And it's the same advertisers/fashion brands who were falling over themselves to send North one-off presents/pieces of clothing when she was born.
Sure, Wintour's editorial prose is a little sugar-coated, but to my mind, it's bang on the money. People are talking about Kim and Kanye and their lifestyle/who they, they're are very much part of the current zeitgeist. When cultural anthropologists look back at the the early 2010s (gosh, that looks weird!), and examines celebrities and their influences/use of technology/social media, K & K will feature very heavily. Like or loathe it, they very much define the way we live now. Or rather a certain kind of celebrity lives now.

As for Kim, I think she looks really quite stylish these days. Under Kanye's direction, she's found a style - beautiful coats, pencil skirts and crop tops that flatter her figure. A figure that womanly is really quite difficult to dress fashionably, and she doesn't try to follow fashion any more but has found a look that really works for her. I think fair play to her, she's come a long way.

fridgepants Wed 26-Mar-14 12:12:05

I don't really care about either of them, but KK has had her own fashion range, has she not?

fridgepants Wed 26-Mar-14 12:12:57

Also, god would I love to see Miss Piggy as a real Vogue cover.

fridgepants Wed 26-Mar-14 12:19:37

Also: I got a free issue of Harpers on my tablet and my god, did it make me yearn for an article about Muffy and Binky going to St Barts, because at least I could hate-read it. SO. DULL.

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