Daughters bra measurements - I'm sure this can't be right......

(54 Posts)
sweetheart Mon 17-Mar-14 11:36:51

I measured my dd for a new bra this weekend - her measurements were 28" around her rib cage and 34" across her boobs - whilst bending over.

Does that really make her a 28E???? She's only 13!

sweetheart Mon 17-Mar-14 11:40:00

And if that is the case where on earth am I going to get her a bra that size? All the shops I looked in this weekend only started at a 34"

shivari Mon 17-Mar-14 11:41:18

Yes, it does, and actually it's not as unusual as it sounds. We've just been conditioned to think otherwise. Have a look at Brastop smile

What you need yo remember is we have had years of badly fitted bras. Stores were full of AA cups but rarely went above a DD, anything bigger was page 3 huge or soft cup boulder holders.

Some stores are still like this, but they are getting better. Take her into bravissimo or similar and let her try on a range of sizes but what you've measured sounds like a good starting point. She may need a smaller cup, or a larger back or vis versa. Trial and error.

And she isn't freakishly huge, please don't let her think that (I'm sure you don't smile ). I spent my teenage years in baggy sweatshirts because I felt like that about my bust.

TheAwfulDaughter Mon 17-Mar-14 11:45:19

That's right.

An E isn't really that ginormous. We've been conditioned by songs about DD cups and statistics of glamour models that anything over a D is huge and uncommoooooon!

With a 28 back you'll find trouble buying things on the high street for cheap, search '28E' on eBay and try Figleaves.

plain and simple I'd get her a nude one because they are less noticeable under clothes

I've always found it's worth spending a bit more on a bra and have it fit properly.

Ladyface Mon 17-Mar-14 11:54:53

John Lewis - I would also get her fitted properly while you are there.

sweetheart Mon 17-Mar-14 11:57:14

Ok thanks for confirming that - will have to see if I can find something non underwired!

I hate to say but I am a little sceptical about this new bra measurement thing...... a very cynical part of me thinks manufacturers may have come up with it to get us all out there spending money on new bras. And how do we know in a few years we won't be told this way of measuring is also wrong and there is another totally new way so we'll all need to go and buy new bras again.

SorrelForbes Mon 17-Mar-14 12:03:06

sweetheart Underwires are absolutely fine as long as the bra fits correctly so that the wires don't sit on any breast tissue.

I'm pretty sure this method isn't being promoted by manufacturers as it's not financially viable for many of them to stock a proper range of sizes!

I've cut and pasted this from another blog but can't remember which one!

Why don't more stores measure and fit properly and stock a corresponding range of sizes?

It's because of costs for the manufacturer.

If you carry 32-40 A-DD, that's a grand total of 25 sizes. So, you only have to have your designers come up with bras for 25 sizes, in maybe 3-4 styles. Then, using this, you can make all of your bras, swapping over moulded cups and under wires from sister sizes (e.g. 30G/32FF) to save even more money. Then shove the majority of the population into these sizes, and presto, you're making huge profits. Plus, it's easy for the fitters (everyone knows "A is tiny, DD is enormous").

But, if you were to be a super-awesome, carry everything store (like Ewa Michalak, who will custom size pretty much anything), and carried (for example) 24-50 A-LL, you're looking at 14 band sizes and 18 cup sizes, or a massive 252 sizes, and with the same 3-4 styles per size, you're making a literal metric shit tonne more bras than your competitor. And you know what? Your designers (who are being paid by the hour) are working a lot more than theirs (so you're losing money there), and you have to spend more on supplies (so you're losing money there), and not all of those sizes even sell well (and get recycled every season, so you're losing more money there). Plus, you have to actually educate your fitters, to figure out how to tell which bras fit, rather than just "supporting and giving cleavage" (which is even more man-hours wasted, and anytime you have a fitter who doesn't know their stuff, you have to do damage control because you hold your staff to a much higher standard). Not to mention a lot of properly fit bras don't give anywhere near the level of cleavage a massive band/tiny cups would - so girls are going to want the huge cleavage-y look, leaving you with - nothing.

Which is quite likely why Ewa is their own brand and store - if they tried mass-manufacturing, it probably would bankrupt them. A=tiny, DD=huge, 32 band = less than 115 pounds, 34-38=normal, and 40+ = big tits or fat. We know this isn't true here, but how do you convince millions of women that their information is wrong?

Bras are an intimate thing - like one guy I saw put it, can you imagine trying to tell a man he's wearing the wrong underwear, because his balls sag, and he gets a flap of skin pushed to the side? Why would you expect to have women respond better to a perfect stranger telling them all that they know about bras is wrong, and that they now magically have "H cups", which is a size only (badly fit) pornstars use?

Raxacoricofallapatorius Mon 17-Mar-14 12:06:20

Same size as me. My breasts aren't huge at all. I am just slim. Good luck shopping. It's not easy.

BikeRunSki Mon 17-Mar-14 12:09:16

I'm a 30 or 32 E. John Lewis is your friend!

Cup fittings are proportional to back size, so the E on a 28 is much smaller than on a 36.

LadyPeterWimsey Mon 17-Mar-14 12:11:10

Have literally just measured DD so we can go shopping for a first bra - I think it comes out as a 26D. Is anywhere on the high street going to stock one this size? We have an M&S, a John Lewis, and a Debenhams - but where else should we look?

Lady you might struggle on the high street. I've heard people in her talk about getting a 28 back altered to fit. Have a google, you might have to buy online.

Nocomet Mon 17-Mar-14 12:19:14

£26 for a teens bra!
I wouldn't spend that on a bra for myself, ever.
I'm certainly not spending it on a growing teen who'll change her mind about whether it fits and whether she likes it after 2days!

Picturesinthefirelight Mon 17-Mar-14 12:25:24

Dd has just had her first bra and us a 28b ( she measures more like 26c but that's a compromise as we can't get that size

Try m& s for teen bras but don't let their fitters near her (they'd have my dd in 32AA if I let them.

LadyPeterWimsey Mon 17-Mar-14 12:30:55

Thanks for the tips - we're heading off now. No danger of a fitter getting near her, as she is very unhappy at the thought of anyone but me measuring her boobs. May be for the best!

Sometimes that's all you can get that fits nocomet. If my mum had bought me a bra that fitted rather than just what was the cheapest available in the supermarket maybe my self esteem and body image attitude would have been much better in my teenage years.

Nocomet Mon 17-Mar-14 13:18:54

Also I have tried DD1, who isn't growing so fast with a biger cup smaller band bra (which I think fits better), but she moans the shoulder straps are in the wrong place.

Me I just hate the styles of big cup size bras.

The intervention ladies try and put me in an E/F. I feel ridiculous, hot and covered up.

Sorry I'm way happier in the styles A-D bras come in.

dexter73 Mon 17-Mar-14 13:20:00

I spend a small fortune on my dd'd bras. She is a 32F so I am happy to spend the money to buy her well-fitting and supportive bras. (You would possibly explode if you knew her bikini cost £60!!)

SorrelForbes Mon 17-Mar-14 13:23:24

I'm a 30GG and own a drawerful of very pretty bras (mostly Cleos and EMs). For example:

Cleo Bella

Cleo Melissa

CHP Cappucino

Nocomet Mon 17-Mar-14 13:33:26

The black one is odd and the other two need chopping off where the pattern changes, they just have too much cup.

Which on me is both too hot and on a molded cup empty. Without chicken fillets I don't have that much boob, what ever the MN rules say.

SorrelForbes Mon 17-Mar-14 13:38:21

Odd? How, it's a black balconette with cappuccino coloured lace. The Cleo ones don't have too much cup for me but that's because I have breasts that are fairly full on the top (as opposed to being bottom heavy). None of them are moulded cups.

Anyway, I was just trying to demonstrate that they're are a lot of pretty bras out there in bigger sizes (Curvy Kate, Tutti Rouge and Bravissimo also do some gorgeous styles). But as ever, it comes down to personal taste and, of course, the shape of your breasts.

It sounds to me like you might have shallow breasts which are better in something like a Cleo Lucy or a Curvy Kate showgirl range half cup.

If it was chopped off where the fabric changes then I suspect sorrel would find her nipples popping out regularly to say hello!

AnythingNotEverything Mon 17-Mar-14 13:46:29

I really don't think it's a conspiracy. Most people who are re-sized find they feel more supported, look slimmer and feel safer in their new bras.

This isn't a gimic, but the high street doesn't want to keep up.

SaveTheMockingBird Mon 17-Mar-14 13:50:43
SorrelForbes Mon 17-Mar-14 13:51:04

There are!

sweetheart Mon 17-Mar-14 14:40:19

well I went into a local independent shop in my lunch hour to see if they had anything - the woman in there thought I was totally bonkers! She treated me like I was a complete idiot sad

Nocomet Mon 17-Mar-14 14:43:32

Basically I have reached the conclusion that I hate bras and if it wasn't for convention and embarrass-able teen DDs I would never ever wear one again.

StrawberryCheese Mon 17-Mar-14 14:49:54

I'm a 28E. I'm 28yo not 13 though! I wear Bravissimo Satine bras, I must have them in every colour. They fit me perfectly and are plain so no fancy lacy bits which are perhaps too much for a 13yo. They are underwired and slightly padded, nothing too ridiculous, just enough to stop nipples being visible and to give a bit of shape. Try your daughter in one of those and see how she feels.

HazleNutt Mon 17-Mar-14 14:58:18

sorry to hear about your experience, OP sad
And can you imagine if you had sent your daughter there - to be told that she's stupid and such sizes don't exist, I assume?

sweetheart Mon 17-Mar-14 15:20:46

She showed me a 36E and asked me (in a sarcastic voice) did my daughters boobs look this big. I said to her but that's a 36 band - it would reduce proportionally to a 28 and she rolled her eyes at me.

I told her my daughter (depressingly) measures the same size as me exactly and she looked at my boobs and gave me a cats bum face.

Incidentally - even though I measure the same as my daughter I do not wear a 28E as I find the band far too tight and it gave me lumps of unsightly fat (and yes I was scooping in from the side wink)

What a totally inappropriate way to behave
behave. Bra shopping is quite personal and intimate imo and fitters should behave with discretion and common decency. Can you imagine the sales assistant at boots looking a man up and down, raising her eyebrows and suggesting that he buys a smaller size of condom?

HazleNutt Mon 17-Mar-14 15:29:53

She works in a lingerie shop and has not figured out that 28E is not the same size as 36E? shock

Ps you might need an extra cup size if the back fat was a problem. Some of us are more prone to it though!

Urgh! No wonder local independents are going out of business

piratecat Mon 17-Mar-14 15:37:24

had she gone to work in the wrong shop?

I'd go for a 30dd tbh. depends how tight she can bare it, i used to work in posh bra shop, and forcing a tight band on a youngster isn't totally necessary.
I might scare her off them altogether.

SorrelForbes Mon 17-Mar-14 15:37:52

OP, please give us a clue as to the whereabouts of this shop wink

HazleNutt Scary isn't it.

I had a similar experience in HoF where the very petite fitter (probably a size 4/6) looked me (size 12) up and down said "you can't be a 30 band, I'm a 30". Yay, way to make me feel good! She insisted on bringing me 32 bands to try and I had to almost beg her to bring me a 30 (which of course, fitted much better)

Would you normally let them try both piratecat? It's a bit of a catch 22 imo- young perky boobs won't need the band as tight and may get away with a 30 but then they might think that a band doesn't need to be as firm and wind up wearing something too loose when they're a 28hh with back pain!

piratecat Mon 17-Mar-14 15:48:22

i would just say it's a question of sticking with a 30, if the 28 in that style is toooo uncomfortable.

Given the terrible sizing most women have been in and are in, starting off pretty tight but comfy is the way forward. They all feel so different anyway. I know my dd is ultra sensitive and when the time comes would probably hate anything too tight. Yet we are all different.

AdoraBell Mon 17-Mar-14 15:54:08

My DD won't even let me measure her, or check the fit. I'm not convinced she's in the right size but she says it comfortable. I'd rather she be comfortable with a not-quite-right bra under here school shirt than refuse To Go To school. Which she has.

We don't have the array of brands that you do in the UK.

WowserBowser Mon 17-Mar-14 15:54:32

If i was to tell most people that I'm now wearing an f bra, they probably wouldn't believe me! I think people would assume i was a b/c for the reasons said by TheAwfulDaughter

I fill a 30f cup though. No gaping, nothing. Boobs filling the whole space.

I am wearing a 34c today (only have one 30f so far) and it's driving me mad riding up at the back.

Being bra intervened doesn't mean you have to wear that bra. They're just trying to be helpful ^ ^

It's tricky isn't it. I'm measuring 29 just now, and because my boobs are relatively heavy now -30hh/28j ish - some of my 30s are starting to ride up. I don't want to be a 28 cos the choice is so blinking reduced!for me one full band bigger than I measure is in shoulder and back pain territory but it's less of an issue if boobs are smaller.

Strops off mumbling to self about why my back shrinks rather than my huge ass!

piratecat Mon 17-Mar-14 15:58:44

i have similar, i wear a 32dd, but my boobs would be better supported in a 30e, but it's too tight.

at posh bra shop we used to do alterations, eg put a dart in the back either side of strap, or were able to add hooks and eyes. That's precision for you!

SorrelForbes Mon 17-Mar-14 16:00:02

Annoying isn't it. My weight never comes off my thighs or hips, but always off my waist and under bust. Grrrrrr.

ShippingForecast Mon 17-Mar-14 16:01:16

What about a supportive crop top? If I were a stone or so lighter I'd measure about what your daughter does (my boobs are not voluminous by any means) and a crop top would do the job perfectly fine. Stretch for comfort and room to grow is a good thing imho.

Something like this
www.figleaves.com/uk/product/CNK-D3464E/Calvin-Klein-Seamfree-Concept-Bralette/?colour=Black

piratecat Mon 17-Mar-14 16:13:08

my weight comes off those areas sorrel, and off my boobs. sticks to me bum and thighs tho.

30 inch under bust, 39 round my hips. on a good day!

piratecat Mon 17-Mar-14 16:16:53

dd wears a women's crop bra top thing from Peacocks.

here really quite supportive for her 28b's!

Pah I'll trade piratecat -29ish underbust and waist due to short torso... About 44"hips on a good day!

WillowinGloves Mon 17-Mar-14 16:36:52

We've found M&S is best for DD with similar measurements. It takes some searching but you can find some nice ones that look suitably teenage (ie not all lace and plunging!) but in the larger sizes. Find a big branch and just go and try on ... Debenhams also usually has some pretty ones in bigger sizes. We have found some very helpful assistants too and DD, even though initially alarmed at having anyone measure her, was fine in the end! I had to have someone fit her the first couple of times as it was a whole new world to me (too small to care!).

LeapingOverTheWall Mon 17-Mar-14 16:40:31

DD is a 30FF or thereabouts - we wet through the Brastop and Figleaves websites, and picked out every bra they had in the sizes roundabout that which fit her criteria of "not scary" (i.e. no lace, bright colours, peculiar seams), ordered a job lot (so as to get free returns), tried them on, sent them back, repeat till satisfied. She now has three bras in total, two of which are the same but in different cup sizes as she varies a bit during the month. Yes, it was expensive for a teenager, but I'd rather she had fewer which fit (and won't give her backache) than a drawerful which give no support like her mother had for years. I keep an eye out for sales, and snap up anything similar if I see it.

However Asda do bigger cup sizes at much cheaper prices (not sure how they are for smaller backs though) so that's somewhere else to look.

Fluffycloudland77 Mon 17-Mar-14 16:43:07

I got my 28D in John Lewis.

I think you just struck unlucky with the bra shop you visited.

There's a lot of misconceptions, one of my friends was 30HH, my mum hasn't met her and is convinced she must be flat chested.

Pumpkinette Mon 17-Mar-14 16:56:36

non wired deco bra 28e

This might be suitable for your daughter - it's in debenhams.

alemci Mon 17-Mar-14 17:11:38

interestingly I looked at avon brochure and they were using that added on extra inches principlehmm

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