Make up on the train

(468 Posts)
failingmammalian Fri 07-Mar-14 06:16:15

Is it acceptable to do your make up on the train .. Powder blush mascara and lip balm. Nothing gross like eyebrow plucking
I do get some funny looks. Isn't it normal/acceptable?
What's a girl to do?

AuditAngel Fri 07-Mar-14 06:25:31


Get up earlier.

All the time you are putting gunk on yourself you are also contaminating the people around you. (And yes, I do work makeup sometimes, but it put it on at home)

fuzzywuzzy Fri 07-Mar-14 06:29:30

Don't you find it unhygienic? I hate being on the trains at the best of times, the first thing I do when I get to work is go wash my hands.

buttercrumble Fri 07-Mar-14 06:35:02

Not at all , can't you do it before you leave home.

Mumraathenoisylion Fri 07-Mar-14 06:42:13

I think it's fine as long as no one is sitting next to you

NewJobNewLife Fri 07-Mar-14 06:42:38

I don't like it when others do their make up on the train. It's impossible not to stare and feels like I am invading their privacy, when actually they are making it impossible not to.

Please do it at home or at work. Trains are for reading, listening to music, messing with your phone or sleeping. They are not an extension of your bathroom.

BeeMyBaby Fri 07-Mar-14 06:52:32

I do it on the bus not the train! The way I see it is that the bus is wasted time so I'm making it into something useful. I use my time at home to spend it with my dd's and I'm not going to cut into that time by putting on makeup or deprive myself of sleep when I know there is an hour every morning where I am sitting very still twiddling my thumbs. I think you only need to put on make up prior to getting on the bus if you care what other passengers think of you, but frankly it's not for them.

hattymattie Fri 07-Mar-14 07:07:24

I always watch this in fascination - I have trouble drawing a straight line on my eyelid in my bedroom, never mind on the tube!

chanie44 Fri 07-Mar-14 07:23:14

I sometimes do some make up eg lip gloss, a sweep of blusher and hand cream. I wouldn't do foundation or eyes.

I normally sit in seats that face the seats ahead, so only the person next it me can see me.

I would think it weird that someone can't get ready before leaving the house.

Foxsticks Fri 07-Mar-14 07:32:27

When I used to commute I was always surprised at the level of anger putting make up on could cause. It was always being debated in the letter pages of the metro and Standard. I always found it fascinating to watch and it didn't bother me but its apparently a big social no no.

cheeseandpineapple Fri 07-Mar-14 07:36:19

I admire people who do their make up on public transport, you need to be reasonably confident and comfortable with the glances and I like seeing the transformation. I was sitting next to someone recently who did the full works and when it came to her mascara, she had a great one with a built in mirror which was v nifty. I nearly asked her where it was from but then she stood up to get off so I didn't get a chance. But I managed to get one for myself at duty free after asking one of the staff if they knew which mascara has a mirror attached to it! V pleased with it and grateful to the girl on the tube although she doesn't know it!

AnaisB Fri 07-Mar-14 07:39:25

I do. I have an hour and a half commute and so it seems sensible. I bought a cake foundation especially for the commute to make it less messy.

I find it fascinating to watch other people put make-up on too - everyone has their own rituals.

Do people who think its unhygenic also not eat on trains?

cheeseandpineapple Fri 07-Mar-14 07:42:05

I don't really get why it's unhygienic to put make up on whilst on a train or tube?

whereisshe Fri 07-Mar-14 07:44:14

No. It's like watching someone get dressed, I hate it when people do it.

SinglePringle Fri 07-Mar-14 07:44:20

I do my make up before leaving the house but I might check my face and apply a little powder / lipstick on the train. I care not if others want to slap on the whole shebang. Really isn't something I can get worked up about. Most I do is check out her products and see if her 'cheaper' ones do as good a job the any expensive.

NearTheWindymill Fri 07-Mar-14 07:50:43

I put mine on in the car at work but I park up by a wall so nobody can see. I don't think it's a big deal on the train but I just wouldn't want anyone seeing me up close without mine.

Catsmamma Fri 07-Mar-14 07:52:55

lippy, eyeliner, mascara only...nothing floofy or powdery

no nail polish, no deodorant/perfume spraying, no cleansing, toning and moisturising.

NinetyNinePercentTroll Fri 07-Mar-14 07:55:12

I couldn't give a crap if you put your mu on on the train.

Crumbelina Fri 07-Mar-14 08:03:15

I couldn't care less if someone does it. I commute every day and have much more of a problem with loud music, smelly food, people squashing me and taking over my seat, men who have to spread their legs, people standing who whack me in the head with their bags. God I could go on forever. Make up really isn't an issue.

Gigondas Fri 07-Mar-14 08:07:42

As long as it's not smelly ( nail varnish) or messy (powder), I am not bothered tho I do wonder why people can't get up and do it at home as more peaceful and they won't be jogged as they move. Also you are relying usually on getting a seat to do it so may be scuppered if you don't.

In scale of commute crimes, it doesn't register compared to something like feet on seats.

PuppyMonkey Fri 07-Mar-14 08:09:53

I feel really self conscious and awkward just touching up my lipstick in the Ladies on a night out. Can't imagine how I'd feel doing the whole shebang on a train. Don't know why I feel like this - almost like I'd hate to think other people KNOW I wear make up.confused

PartTimePunk Fri 07-Mar-14 08:17:34

I do mine in the car on the way to work while DH drives so I have sympathy with the OP. I don't see why people shouldn't do their make up on public transport - they are multitasking and making the most efficient use of their time in the morning. The comment about contaminating others is somewhat OTT.

Rosieliveson Fri 07-Mar-14 08:33:01

I wouldn't be bothered by someone doing their make up. Besides, I'm nosey and like seeing whether other people also have a weird open mouthed mascara application face!

tribpot Fri 07-Mar-14 08:34:32

Isn't more fundamentally breaking the covenant of what makeup is for? (I dunno, I don't wear it). If you want to change your appearance before you are out in public, why are you doing it when you're already out in public? You might as well shave your legs or curl your hair - it's not artifice if everyone sees you do it smile (Unless you want to class it as performance art, maybe).

ILoveWooly Fri 07-Mar-14 08:36:08

Contaminating others? Seems a little OTT.

I have been known to touch up my make up on the train if I am heading straight to meet someone. It is hardly a full on morning routine including cleansing, toning, moisturising, deodorant, perfume etc!

HaymitchAbarnathy Fri 07-Mar-14 08:46:21

I love watching people doing their make up and transforming themselves.

Lilymaid Fri 07-Mar-14 08:47:23

As a longer distance commuter, I find it fascinating ... so few people look any better at the end of the exercise. I have a great time being judgy! I don't put on makeup on the train myself ... that is what arriving 3 minutes early in the station car park is for!

Gigondas Fri 07-Mar-14 08:52:40

Contaminating is Ott, being coveredin loose powder not good (which have seen happen).

ggirl Fri 07-Mar-14 08:53:38

tribpot YES this exactly ,if you're happy to sit on a train naked faced , why are you putting make up..The illusion is lost by then.

bigTillyMint Fri 07-Mar-14 08:55:41

Same as Hatty - juggling make-up on a moving train?!

No problem if you don't mind me staring at you!

Silverfoxballs Fri 07-Mar-14 08:58:32

It would be unhygienic if you have grabbed a few handrails before getting on the train as your then your touching your face.

I think application of lipstick is fine only.

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 09:01:34

ggirl and tribpot because I don't care about strangers on a train seeing me without makeup but I do care about being 'fully dressed' for work and throughout the day.

This is one of those things I had absolutely no clue was a 'thing' until mumsnet. As in I had no idea people had feelings about it being wrong or a no no. Since then I am more conscious of doing it but I still don't care an continue to put on makeup on the bus if I need to!

MummyPigsFatTummy Fri 07-Mar-14 09:05:06

I don't like the smell of other people's makeup (I assume mine is the same but I don't notice it when I am doing it in the bathroom at home). A woman sat next to me the other day and did the whole works and I really didn't like it. Luckily it's pretty rare on my train (you can't guarantee a seat so I suppose it is too much of a risk not to do it before you get on.

frogwatcher42 Fri 07-Mar-14 09:10:20

As long as nobody is sitting next to you its fine. I think if somebody is near you it is unacceptable.

But you need to accept that there will be loads of judgy pants watching you and thinking 'goodness, she looks better now - the wonders of make-up' or 'goodness, why did she bother'!!

fuzzywuzzy Fri 07-Mar-14 09:10:49

I don't eat on the tube either.

I actually find it fascinating watching women whip out super sharp eyeliners and the proceed to apply it. I watched a woman apply her eyeliner beautifully only for the the train to jolt messing it up.

I do find people plucking their eyebrows, filing nails and even clipping nails absolutely disgusting.

AuntieMaggie Fri 07-Mar-14 09:25:59

I do my make up on the train sometimes when I have long journeys - I am not getting up earlier than the 5/6am I already have to do my make up so I might as well make the most of the time on the train.

Lots of women do theirs in the waiting room at my local train station between connections.

Passthecake30 Fri 07-Mar-14 09:38:50

Don't stop...I get my best make up lessons on the train (yes, I stare. ..)

specialsubject Fri 07-Mar-14 10:15:15

if there's space and nothing smells, don't see a problem.

as someone else points out, you won't look any better for it though!

cardamomginger Fri 07-Mar-14 10:24:25

I would never do this and think it looks cheap and skanky. Yes, I am being judgemental. But that's what I think. The MOST that I think is acceptable with is refreshing lipstick.

Missred Fri 07-Mar-14 10:29:29

Not something i would personally choose to do, but I think provided you're not invading a fellow travellors personal space then no problem. Watched a woman applying the full works (luckily I sat opposite), felt so sorry for the man next her as she elbowed/splattered face powder/ leaned into his space for a good 10-15 mins. I thought she was incredibly rude, but he was too polite to say anything -and had a rare seat - so moving wasn't really an option.
As with many issues in life, have consideration for your fellows

HarrietVaneAgain Fri 07-Mar-14 10:30:02

I put my B&B cream and powder on before I leave the house and add my very minimal blusher and eyeshadow and lippy on the train. Didn't realise this was an no-no and may have to reconsider. I've never noticed any funny looks tho..,

snakeandpygmy Fri 07-Mar-14 10:31:55

Yet another on the long list of things I don't give a fuck about... if you are invading mine or another's space then you are being rude, otherwise can't bring myself to care

VodkaRevelation Fri 07-Mar-14 10:40:19

How much time are people saving? I wear make up to work- foundation,highlighter, powder, blusher, liquid eyeliner and mascara. Takes me five minutes to apply in the morning.

winterhat Fri 07-Mar-14 10:42:18

No. Other people don't want to look at someone else's grimacing and vanity rituals.

TheresLotsOfFarmyardAnimals Fri 07-Mar-14 11:22:48

Totally acceptable. I used to do it pre sprogs when getting onto the bus for 8.30 seemed difficult. I'm at work for 8.30 after a nursery run now!

It's interesting why people get so bothered, isn't it? Obviously if you're being elbowed by someone while they're putting on mascara or covered in loose powder that's going to be irritating, but why is watching people annoying?

I think it must be something to do with what someone said earlier, that it's a transformative thing, and the illusion is lost when you watch someone. So by making someone watch, you're showing that you don't care if they see you without make-up, but you do care if somebody else (your work colleagues etc.) do, so it's a subtle diss to all the people on the train, whether it's intended or not. Hmmm (takes philosophical hat off and goes to sort out the washing). FWIW, personally I don't give a monkeys either way.

MrsMarigold Fri 07-Mar-14 11:28:29

extra cuddle with the DH or DC or make up on the tube/bus?
I'd always go for the extra cuddle. I love watching people put on make up - it's lovely.

Thurlow Fri 07-Mar-14 11:53:19

I don't like it. It irritates me when the woman sat opposite me is putting her make up on. But I don't know why!

I suspect it's because I get irritated by people on busy commuter trains who do anything but sit very still and read a book or watch a tablet grin If I can see their arm moving repetitively out of the corner of my eye it really, really winds me up.

MsBehave Fri 07-Mar-14 12:05:26

Nope. Always done before I leave the house. No need to do it on public transport, I don't get why you'd want to.

I may do a quick touch up of eyeliner/powder in emergencies but that's it and even then I don't feel comfortable doing it.

FriendlyLadybird Fri 07-Mar-14 12:16:40

I'm deeply impressed by people who can do their make-up on the train. I once watched someone go through a complete transformation between Oxford and Reading -- amazing. I certainly don't mind if people do it.

flipflopsonfifthavenue Fri 07-Mar-14 12:22:05

I don't care - I'm more worried about the tube suddenly jolting and the mascara wand poking their eye out!!!

I agree thre are worse things people can do. I watched someone SHAVE THEIR LEGS by the side of an outside pool.

NigellasDealer Fri 07-Mar-14 12:25:17

no it is disgusting to be honest.
1. for a start you are not using make-up for what it is, eg to present your 'perfect' face to the world.
2. you are acting as though nobody around you is worth considering.
3. those kind of mouth actions and self observing things u have to do when putting on make-up are truly gross to the general public.

RobinSparkles Fri 07-Mar-14 12:27:46

It wouldn't occur to me to do my makeup on the train but it wouldn't bother me if somebody else did.

I'd feel way too self conscious to do it myself though. I hate people watching me do my makeup, even at home. I even tell my DDs to go away if they're in the bathroom and I'm doing my makeup.

TheresLotsOfFarmyardAnimals Fri 07-Mar-14 12:28:59

Nigella you are easily disgusted!

Oblomov Fri 07-Mar-14 12:30:14

I don't like it. At all. I don't like seeing it. I only occasionally take the rush-hour train into London and nearly every time I do, there is woman doing it.

I really don't like it.

samandi Fri 07-Mar-14 12:32:03

Pretty skanky IMO. I don't want your powder all over my lap thanks.

NigellasDealer Fri 07-Mar-14 12:32:35

skanky, yes, that describes it perfectly imo

squoosh Fri 07-Mar-14 12:32:53

Well I for one love watching people apply their makeup on public transport! I find it quite mesmerising and have to stop myself from staring at them like a creepy weirdo.

Never do it myself though. Don't want all the creepy weirdos staring at me wink

Wishfulmakeupping Fri 07-Mar-14 12:34:01

I do it- its a good use of time don't see a problem with it at all

NigellasDealer Fri 07-Mar-14 12:35:38

well trust me wishful, it is gross and you are being most inconsiderate of your fellow travellers (excuse the expression)

NigellasDealer Fri 07-Mar-14 12:36:46

if i see anyone doing it i kind of wish the train would jolt and they would stick the lipstick onto their cheek or even better stab themselves in the eye with the mascara wand! (jokes)

AnneWentworth Fri 07-Mar-14 12:38:06

I really don't care. In fact it has never even occurred to me to think about it until today.

Bexicles Fri 07-Mar-14 12:41:41

I don't mind this at all, I'm a bit nosey and like to look at the products people are using. There is a lady I occassionally see on the met who has a make up bag full of Dior and Chanel, I'm always envy

runningonwillpower Fri 07-Mar-14 12:49:06

I know little about make-up technique. I was at the back of the queue the day that lesson was delivered.

What little I know, I learned from the woman who sat opposite me on many days on the tube journey into London.

She was fascinating. No mess, no fuss, just a transformation before my eyes.

Thank you unknown woman - you introduced me to blusher.

rightsaidfrederick Fri 07-Mar-14 12:53:32

I've done it before - but only when I've had to be on the train pre-7am. There are very few people on most trains at that hour, so I don't class it as anti-social in a way that I might if the train was crowded.

shopaholicbookworm Fri 07-Mar-14 13:10:59

Over the years I've done make up in trains, buses, tubes, cars etc. As others have said I don't see what the problem is as long as you don't invade anyone else's personal space. Using public transport dictates a degree of tolerance of others, whether it's make up application, other people's conversations or being face to face with a copy of The Sun! Live and let live...

Snowdown Fri 07-Mar-14 13:25:41

I don't do it, I don't think it's necessarily rude either. It's rude to invade someone else's space with elbows. Rude to use a messy product that might spill like loose powder. Buts smells? - pah! People wear horrible over powering perfume - I might not like it but it's not rude. And stare or don't stare it's your choice, people are always doing odd things on trains, we share the I think if you are getting angry about the small stuff maybe you need to think about your anger and finding a way to reduce it rather than expect the world to change for you.

persimmon Fri 07-Mar-14 13:34:36

I really can't see the problem with it, and think that those who think it's 'disgusting' are weirdos. It's not like you're waxing or flossing. I'd far rather sit near someone doing their makeup than someone eating.

nicelyneurotic Fri 07-Mar-14 13:37:56

I couldn't do it as think trains are filthy. However, I quite like watching how other people do their makeup. Fascinating and I'm impressed that some women don't even need a mirror. I think some women go too far though, I've seen people moisturise then do foundation, curl eyelashes, paint nails etc.

Hate people eating on trains or spreading germs. That's a billion times worse!

PartTimePunk Fri 07-Mar-14 14:04:14

When I lived abroad I used to regularly be on the same train as a bloke who would look, quite openly, at porno mags. I save my ire for situations like that. I really can't see what the fuss is about putting on make up on public transport, provided of course that your fellow passengers aren't getting splattered with foundation and powder.

diamondlizard Fri 07-Mar-14 14:05:46

why on earth would it be wrong

i wouldnt bat an eyelid

Ohwhatfuckeryisthis Fri 07-Mar-14 14:09:23

We once watched in fascination on the Paris metro as a woman did her entire makeup in this teeny mirror. The end product was a bit like a patchwork blanket.

girlynut Fri 07-Mar-14 14:12:10

I have a two hour commute every morning and leave the house at 7am after having got my chldren their breakfast.

Get up earlier? Bugger that!

livlassie Fri 07-Mar-14 14:13:24

I don't understand how annoyed people seem to get about this practice as i honestly cannot see the harm in it at all. Are we really all so precious that someone putting on a bit of make up is seen as a social crime? There are many important issues in this world and I'm sorry people. but this is not one of them.

WildThong Fri 07-Mar-14 14:15:58

Seen much worse on my daily commute - clipping toe nails anyone <boak>
Sniffers, smelly folk, seat hoggers, parents who think it's okay if little dcs walk all over the seats (cos mud from small feet is fine obviously)
But there was one girl who used that spray on make up, that was going too far and really selfish.
I just stick my headphones on and retreat behind my kindle.

procrastinatingagain Fri 07-Mar-14 14:44:24

I wouldn't do it, but only because I'd be self concious, and my day make up only takes about 3 minutes anyway. I don't mind anyone else doing it though. I would probably be pissed off if I was wearing a white outfit and someone was flinging bronzer about, but not bothered otherwise.

FamiliesShareGerms Fri 07-Mar-14 14:49:53

I put foundation on at home and do blush, mascara type additions on the train or tube. There are lots of other people who do similar.

I think the thing is that other commuters aren't really there, as in no one acknowledges each other's existence anyway. Sometimes that's anti social (loud music, smelly food), sometimes it just means that things like face painting which you'd normally do in private are fine.

HellonHeels Fri 07-Mar-14 14:57:05

I don't really care. I get more bothered by people eating or listening to loud music. I don't like hygiene-type activities - flossing, brushing hair, filing nails (or clipping nails ewwww) but makeup is OK. Am often amazed by how grubby and unappealing some people's makeup is though.

However I do my makeup at home - it takes five minutes max because I don't do anything too elaborate.

atthestrokeoftwelve Fri 07-Mar-14 15:32:56

Who cares? I wouldn't do it but there are a lot worse things happen on trains, loud yobs swearing, vomiting, heavy petting, chucking food, women changing dirty nappies on the table.
Doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone want to put on make up.

Kaekae Fri 07-Mar-14 15:45:27

I suppose I am not that bothered. I do have an inward giggle when some women pull really odd faces or insist on having their mouths wide open whilst applying their mascara!

coffeeinbed Fri 07-Mar-14 15:49:10

This is what I saw today, on the tube.

A woman - young, well dresses, make up on - in huge pink velcro rollers.
All her hair was very neatly rolled onto the biggest pinkest rollers.

This being the Tube, no one stared, or at least tried very hard not to. It was quite extraordinary.
I'm still confused about it.

Pollyputthekettle Fri 07-Mar-14 16:26:06

Up to you. I am not sure what people mean by contaminating others. Its make up not nuclear waste confused

I wouldn't do it myself as I would be too self conscious. It is essentially a bit of an attention seeking thing to do. The type of make up routine you are talking about would take , what, 90 seconds at the most. You can't do that at home?

pourmeanotherglass Fri 07-Mar-14 16:56:10

I rarely wear make up, but I wouldn't be bothered if someone sitting next to me put it on on the train.

CynicalandSmug Fri 07-Mar-14 17:10:17

I tend to look like I have put on my make up on a rickety old train. Actually applying it on a train would be disastrous! I am rather jealous of people who can apply make up very well, especially if on a train. Sometimes I stare with fascination and other times I am, unreasonably and inexplicably, irritated.

vivatregina Fri 07-Mar-14 17:11:10

Too cringey - why not change your tampax while your at it? though I'm in my fifties and can't understand how people can tuck into an entire smelly picnic in front of everyone else either - even the 'tidy eaters' who appear to be trying to eat something with their entire face in the bag a bit like a horse with its oats attached in the nose bag thingy. You are just sitting too close to everyone.

atthestrokeoftwelve Fri 07-Mar-14 17:14:23

viva- changing a tampon is different though and would be quite unacceptable. You don't normally display your vagina in public, but your face is always on display.
What's being in your fifties got to do with anything?

failingmammalian Fri 07-Mar-14 17:16:51

Wow I have never had such an amazing response to a post. Food for thort. I did say I didn't do anything gross tho.... And deo/perfume!! Please!

burnishedsilver Fri 07-Mar-14 17:20:45

I see this a lot. Women sleeping on the train, looking like they just got out of bed, waking up a few stops before work and producing a large make up bag and mirror.

I wouldnt do it. Then again, I rarely leave the house without make up.

AngryPrincess Fri 07-Mar-14 17:25:56

Yes, it's perfectly acceptable. I used to do it if I had a long journey and an interview. (think the make up would be for the people you're going to see rather than random people on the train). Why would you do it before you go? Then you'd have to get up earlier. I would do eyelash curling, mascara etc when the train was stopped at a station.

Capitola Fri 07-Mar-14 17:31:48

I think it's rather unbecoming, I don't like to see it.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Fri 07-Mar-14 17:40:09

It's fine, nothing wrong with it at all. I expect the people who are frothing at the mouth about it are also the ones who rant on threads about doing a million washes a week, have new towels every day and no sharing towels with other family members in case of cross contamination. I do wonder how such people manage to have sex with their partnerswink

trixymalixy Fri 07-Mar-14 17:44:07

Make up doesn't bother me at all.

What does bother me though is people spraying things. Twice in one week I had people spray evil smelling deodorant on the train. The woman opposite me had to use her inhaler as he sprayed so much the air was thick with it. So anti social!!

squoosh Fri 07-Mar-14 17:44:56

Yes, spraying things is vile. Can't believe people clip their finger nails either. Blee!

trixymalixy Fri 07-Mar-14 17:45:14

Oh and chips should be banned in the train unless they share them with me!!

minderjinx Fri 07-Mar-14 17:48:30

I find it quite rude. It's like saying I need to look good for my destination but you lot on the train don't matter a bit.

JRsandCoffee Fri 07-Mar-14 18:55:29

Used to do it every day, get on, park coffee on table (got on early) put make up on, extract book, read and drink coffee...... I miss it rather now I drive! I assume the people around me who also sat in the same seat daily (unless an interloper got there first, dammit) didn't care!!

Lozza70 Fri 07-Mar-14 19:05:55

For some irrational reason it irritates me hugely. I just cannot work out why people cannot get up 5 minutes earlier. People putting on powder, bronzed or blusher in particular. I have got into work with blusher on my skirt from someone else one morning. However brushing hair is just the worst! I do not want your discarded hair all over me thank you very much! Oh the joys of the tube......

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Fri 07-Mar-14 19:07:32

It's good use of time. I love watching people do it and the products they use. Have no clue why people think it's un hygienic, make up isn't dirtyconfused

Spraying is a definite no no.

coffeeinbed Fri 07-Mar-14 19:15:20

Brushing hair is disgusting.
Filing nails os not nice either.

And sometimes I despair at the state of the sponges used for foundation.
I've also seen women dropping a brush, picking it up and continuing.

And honestly, doing it on the Tube, with the light there? That concealer is never going to be placed where it's needed.

Bluestocking Fri 07-Mar-14 19:19:20

I don't think it's unhygienic, but I do think it's bad manners and makes the perpetrator look as though they don't quite understand the rules about how people should behave in public.

BloodFlower Fri 07-Mar-14 19:21:18

I'd say try to minimise the hygiene problem by not letting your brushes touch surfaces and avoiding applying with fingers. I can't see why people should be disgusted.

PartTimePunk Fri 07-Mar-14 19:22:30

minderjinx but surely that is the case, no? I couldn't give a rashers what anyone on public transport thinks of my appearance, but the same doesn't apply to whomever I'm going to meet be it friends or work colleagues.

NearTheWindymill Fri 07-Mar-14 19:24:28

I don't think someone putting on make-up on a train would annoy me as much as some of the really loud telephone conversations that seem contrived for everyone to hear or just make the person sound like a bit of an idiot who has no idea of boundaries in public.

coffeeinbed Fri 07-Mar-14 19:24:35

So no one else has seen someone in their hair rollers?
I know I didn't dream it.

tribpot Fri 07-Mar-14 19:27:00

Absolutely loving the Tampax response grin Why not have a smear test done and get that over with on the train too?! smile

Btw, whilst we're on the subject of artifice for its own sake, the thing that winds me up more than makeup on the train is people who wear high heeled shoes only in the office and have to take them off if they so much as nip over the road for a sarnie. I'm not talking about wearing sensible shoes for the commute in, these are literally shoes they can only manage to totter around in in the office. If you work at Vogue, fine. I work in IT. No-one gives a toss what shoes you wear.

squoosh Fri 07-Mar-14 19:27:14

Maybe she was from Liverpool, I believe it's quite the trend to go out with rollers in your hair there.

gloucestergirl Fri 07-Mar-14 19:37:20

What's the problem with someone putting on their make-up? I'd just be jealous that they'd probably have had an extra 10 minutes in bed than me. As a commuter with a 1.5-2 hour journey each way, I know how valuable each minute is in the morning. If stares bother you, go into the toilet or hide behind a corner at on the platform.

BoomerangSam Fri 07-Mar-14 19:40:19

I'm shocked that so many people have an issue with it. I've seen it countless times and have loved watching the transformation.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Fri 07-Mar-14 19:49:06

Brushing hair is disgusting?confused

coffeeinbed Fri 07-Mar-14 19:59:00

On the train or tube yes.
there's all sort of dry skin and shedding hair flying everywhere.

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 20:06:53

I do that trib. I like high heeled shoes but don't want to walk up the shops in them. So what?

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 20:08:18

I could wear them to go up to the shops as in I can walk in them but I'm quicker if I put on my runners.

itsbetterthanabox Fri 07-Mar-14 20:08:25

Totally fine. I do it on the bus as long as no one is sitting right next to me.
I'm just sitting there doing nothing otherwise. My makeup doesn't make a mess and doesn't affect anyone else on the bus so why should there be an issue? I don't get funny looks either.

Fannydabbydozey Fri 07-Mar-14 20:23:01

I don't wear make up for people on the train, I wear it for myself. So I'll put it on wherever I want to. Do people really care? And as for comparing it to inserting a tampon? Really? People honestly think this way? Just wow.

Believe me, I'd much rather see a woman (or a man, why not?) put makeup on whilst travelling than sit opposite a daily mail reader.

That really IS offensive.

Lilly20again Fri 07-Mar-14 20:24:21

Omg for a decade I did hair and makeup on the train.
When your twenty getting out of bed is hard, an extra ten or twenty mins is worth it.
I wouldn't care less if it irritated anyone tbh, people are irritating for many, many reasons, you'll always upset someone.

OddFodd Fri 07-Mar-14 20:29:36

There's a woman who sometimes sits opposite me on the train (at the table) and not only does her make up but straightens her hair and eats her breakfast too!

I rather admire her chutzpah smile

squoosh Fri 07-Mar-14 20:31:10

Makeup, hair straightening and cornflakes! That's impressive.

JRsandCoffee Fri 07-Mar-14 20:34:43

I'm impressed too! Hair straighteners on the train, I couldn't drive them stationary in front of a mirror at home!

atthestrokeoftwelve Fri 07-Mar-14 20:40:03

I'm amazed that anyone finds it offensive.
Putting on make up is far less offensive than the many people having loud banal conversations on the phone.

AnaisB Fri 07-Mar-14 20:48:29

Those people who think it's inconsiderate - are you failing to consider the people (like me) who enjoy watching?

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 20:49:43

Vulgar,gross and bit trampy

HappyGirlNow Fri 07-Mar-14 20:51:53

I hate it. It makes me feel queasy and a bit disgusted. It's not something that should be done in public imo.

Loulou000 Fri 07-Mar-14 20:53:00

I don't mind if people do their make up on the train. I do find it kind of impossible not to watch, though, but maybe that's acceptable too. smile

Not ok would be cutting nails or tweezing.

Not so much offensive as just a bit skanky. Undignified.

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 20:58:04

I'm not jealous or even wel jel of a disorganised slattern who can't get out bed
And consequently need additional time on train to apply their slap.
You see I'm groomed,organised at home.i don't need extra 10min in bed

squoosh Fri 07-Mar-14 21:00:42

Love all the Edwardian admonishments of 'immodest', 'unacceptable', 'undignified', 'disorganised slattern'.

OddFodd Fri 07-Mar-14 21:13:41

Straightener woman is a lawyer and doesn't eat cornflakes but yoghurt and redbull grin

atthestrokeoftwelve Fri 07-Mar-14 21:15:17

Me too squoosh "unbecoming " has been mentioned too- quick, pass the smelling salts, my delicate sensibilities are under assault.

HollaAtMeBaby Fri 07-Mar-14 21:16:11

I do full makeup on the tube most days and have got down to a fine art. I've been known to apply liquid eyeliner standing up on the Victoria line at rush hour. Am pretty skilled with slap due to working on beauty counters for a couple of years in my youth!

I know it's trashy, but I don't care. I live in a city of some 13 million people. The chances that I'll ever have to impress someone who's previously seen me making up on the tube, AND that they recognise me, AND that they're one of theunreasonable people who disapprove of in-transit beautification, are vanishingly small.

HollaAtMeBaby Fri 07-Mar-14 21:21:36

Oh, and I don't use any powder-based products. All my make up is cream-based, and I apply it with my fingers, which I clean with sanitizing hand wipes before at end of the process. No brushes, no germs.

shock at the porn-reading commuter, by the way!

failingmammalian Fri 07-Mar-14 21:34:48

Love it holla!

MooMaid Fri 07-Mar-14 21:42:23

I always have a level of respect for people who can put make up without being jolted on public transport!

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 21:45:23

Explain away holla,embelish your account of the minutiae of process,it's still minging

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 21:45:59

Why is it 'trashy' and 'unbecoming'? Honestly, I'm perplexed. Is it supposed to be a secret that we wear makeup?!

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 21:46:44

Minging? Is there some new definition of the word Minging I'm not aware of?

MooMaid Fri 07-Mar-14 21:47:34

I don't understand why it's minging confused awkward if I happen to be staring but minging? Farting in a crowded carriage is minging.....

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 21:49:24

Fannying aboot applying slap is minging end of
And you know what you all know it too...hence the vigorous rebukes

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 21:51:27

I don't know scottish that's why I'm asking! To me minging means something unclean or disgusting I genuinely don't see how me putting my own make up on my own face is minging.

NigellasDealer Fri 07-Mar-14 21:52:23

agree with scottishmummy it is minging (love that word)

MooMaid Fri 07-Mar-14 21:52:24

Ha ha, no, I genuinely don't see it as something I give two fucks about, and I don't see it as minging. I don't do it because I don't have the technical skill because I drive to work......

I dont mind it but I was puzzled today by the lady who seemed to be trying to get rid of invisible issues. I felt quite sorry for her.

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 21:53:31

It's gross,fannying about products,brushes,rubbing,face pulling,eye tugging
Minging,I'm surprised you can't see it

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 21:54:39

I don't really do it very often as now I am old I get up early enough to do it before I leave. But I wouldn't have a problem doing it if necessary. This is one of those things people have a dislike of but don't actually explain what's wrong with it.

squoosh Fri 07-Mar-14 21:55:43

I don't think it's minging, I find it hypnotising.

Minging was the woman beside me on the bus who was scratching her head so much a shower of dessicated skin flakes was being scattered near me. I asked her to stop.

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 21:56:57

Read the thread,plenty explanation
The odour,the look if it,spillage,seepage risk,gurning face pulling to apply
It's a task you should be completing at home,not in public

MooMaid Fri 07-Mar-14 21:58:19

I guess the beauty/make-up counters in the middle of a packed Debenhams/John Lewis are minging too then? Have you been near the Bobbi Brown/MAC counter on a Saturday? Mental

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 21:58:22

Yes and I asked someone to stop applying her slap and waving kabuki brush about

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 21:58:27

Exactly squoosh. And cutting fingernails is minging as bits of nails are falling off. But putting make up is not intimate in any way, only thing I can see that's annoying is the comments about powder getting on other people.

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 21:59:27

No,moo one finds oneself at mac erc by choice.on crowded transport choice restricted
Stupid analogy

squoosh Fri 07-Mar-14 22:00:31

'Don't wave your kabuki at me madam!'

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:01:01

No not just powder it's the parade of product,the odour,it looks gross,the gurning when applying

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:03:51

I've read the thread Scottish. The spillage and seepage 'risk' is low unless it's powder flying round and is a separate thing from it being minging. Who cares if other people are gurning that's not minging! I don't know what's wrong with 'the look of it' and I don't get any odour from makeup unless it's nail varnish or something.

As for the ones that say we're insulting fellow commuters by not caring that they see our faces without makeup... hmm

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:05:31

Lots of cross posts. I don't think it looks minging. Someone picking their nose that looks minging. Someone rubbing their face not so much.

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:06:58

A gurning make up face is minging,that's the point,the tugged at eyes,sucked in cheek,rubbing it's all gross
Get out of bed earlier don't be such lazy minger

itsbetterthanabox Fri 07-Mar-14 22:06:59

Those who are bothered by it what do you think of women who don't wear make at all?! Are they just always insulting to you ?

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:08:16

Those with no make up,aren't being intrusive,minging

Philoslothy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:08:28

I sometimes do my makeup on the train, I am a lazy minger though.

Snowdown Fri 07-Mar-14 22:08:29

Scottishmummy you are coming across as unhinged - this is a non issue.

MooMaid Fri 07-Mar-14 22:08:31

I wouldn't say it was a stupid analogy as the mens dept is actually right next to the makeup counter in our local Debs. I doubt they 'chose' to be near the make-up counters or chose to be shopping full stop I don't see the difference. It isn't more or less hygienic just because it's in a dept store.

I agree with you if powder is flying around as I wouldn't want that in my face but otherwise, really, who cares. I'd be more offended if someone sneezed over me and lets face it, thats more likely than make-up flying around the carriage

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:11:53

I used to do it on the train. Why waste an hours commute? I'd often get people sitting with open mouths right enough. I was wondering if they wanted tips.
People eating crisps and flaking crisp crumbs all over themselves annoys me.
Make up, not so much.

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:12:08

It's discussion of day,a mn perennial,mnhq know this is a winner
All the slapperatti will vigorously defend their right to apply slap in public
Unhinged is the vigorous rebukes from slapperatti

cerealqueen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:12:24

I was fascinated to watch a woman paint her nails on the bus last week, at 12.30 am! I wondered where she was going where painted nails were essential at that time and how on earth they would not smudge before she got to her 'rendevous'!

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:13:14

What snowdown said

Yes I've seen the massive Velcro rollers on heads in Liverpool on a weekend afternoon. The funny thing is the wearers always seem to have spent HOURS on their face as they are inches deep in slap with eyelashes that would need hoists for the person to open their eyes. Its like they are making some statement that they are up for some huge and important night out.

Sadly for them, anyone over about 50 will just be reminded of Hilda Ogden types with their rollers in on a Friday or Saturday.

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:14:02

How clever of you,whateva so and so said

MadBusLady Fri 07-Mar-14 22:15:33

This is one of those only on MN subjects, for some reason it makes some people here go batshit insane. Last time I was on a thread like this someone actually compared it to changing a tampon on the train shock

I do all make-up except foundation on the train, nobody seems to notice much less give a damn.

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:16:15

whatever. EVER. not eva. We are not writing on a bus stop.

CointreauVersial Fri 07-Mar-14 22:16:24

Another one who couldn't give a toss what other people do on the train.

I have applied lippy and mascara on the train, but not a lot else, but then I don't wear a huge amount of makeup. I also did a quick manicure and applied nail varnish once (but we are not talking crushed rush-hour commuter train). I don't think anyone even noticed.

squoosh Fri 07-Mar-14 22:17:16

I love putting my makeup on at home in the morning, it's my calm, thoughtful time. So me applying makeup on public transport is never going to happen. But it must be my inner peeping tom that loves spying on women who do. Sometimes I think 'oh good lipstick choice' or 'your foundation's a bit orange'.

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:17:23

Well yes,but let's face it,mn isn't real it is words on screen.were gripes,joy,discussion live

MadBusLady Fri 07-Mar-14 22:17:34

We are not writing on a bus stop.

I dunno, I think scottishmummy might be actually.

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:17:47

Yeah snowdown you're right. I Need to disengage now, scottish you're just repeating the same things over and over and not actually explaining yourself. I don't pull at my eyes or gurn when putting on makeup btw.

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:18:42

how funny Clara nonpludpssed about the slapperatti but desperate to correct whateva

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:19:44

Someone said that on this one too Madbump. Yes getting your fanny out on the train is EXACTLY like rubbing a bit of cream on your face.

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:20:02

I do hope the slapperatti feel uncomfortable with other commuters think minging
Or maybe think whateva...

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:20:29

Sorry Madbus

Viviennemary Fri 07-Mar-14 22:20:51

People putting on their full mask of slap on the train drive me mad. I have to move seats. Can't see why anyone would think this is reasonable.

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:21:20

Actually can't even make sense of your posts now scottish

NigellasDealer Fri 07-Mar-14 22:21:44

'the slapperatti' grin

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:22:17

You understand enough to assert in repeating myself,and you're Offsky?
Cheerios then

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:22:54

And I can't see what is unreasonable about it Vivienne, other than if the maker-putter-on-er is getting make up on their neighbours.

squoosh Fri 07-Mar-14 22:23:30

I want to meet the woman mentioned previously who applies makeup, straightens her hair, eats her yogurt and gulps her redbull on the morning commute. That's a heckuvva multi tasker.

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:24:03


scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:24:06

The. Odour the process,the gurning,faffing with various products
It's minging

MadBusLady Fri 07-Mar-14 22:24:25

Pint of warm water, enough said.

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:24:50

Red bull,hair straighteners,cereal,hell yes that's got it all going on

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:25:19

I don't really give a fuck what other commuters think. I'm quite sure the people who decided not to wash their armpits or brush their teeth weren't thinking of my commuting experience. Anyway, I don't commute anymore so it's a non issue but when I did and I was running late, I put on make up on the train.
Call the police,take me away for poor train etiquette.
I'm ashamed, ASHAMED!
Nah, not really.

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:25:46

I don't think you know what minging means. 'Faffing with various products' hmm.

MooMaid Fri 07-Mar-14 22:27:09

Who actually thinks that putting your make-up on is like changing a tampon?? hmm

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:27:37

Nuggeto, I think it means "making oneself look better through the process of make up application"

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:28:39

I just have images of someone making faces like one of those old men in a gurning competition. No judgement if that's you scottishmummy.

morethanpotatoprints Fri 07-Mar-14 22:28:58

If you feel ok putting make up on why not?
I'm sure there are more offensive things going on than a bit of make up.

aGirlDownUnder1 Fri 07-Mar-14 22:29:03

I really don't get the big drama of people putting make-up on. I personally wouldn't care less as long it doesn't smell and your not invading someone's personal privacy then I thinks it's fine.

On the scale of thing what people do on the train, it's pretty minor.

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:29:44

Aw that's makes sense now Clara.

As I said earlier in the thread I was happily putting my makeup on on buses for years before I came on MN and discovered I was a SLATTERN.

I'm also apparently weird as I am able to poo in locations other than my own toilet and don't have to hold it in for days when I go on holiday.

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:29:51

people eating a sausage roll on a train. NOW that's offensive.

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:31:03

It does smell it does invade privacy the gurning,the eye tugging,it's intrusive

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:31:12

My sister was very upset recently at someone eating an egg sandwich while sitting next to her first thing in the morning grin

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:32:15

Someone else gurning or tugging their eyes is not intrusive! Or invading privacy! If they were tugging on your eyes maybe...

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:32:20

Glad to be of service Nuggeto.
You poo somewhere other than your own throne?WHAT? You mean your bowel isn't trained to know when it's your own pan you're sitting on? gasp
I've never heard anything so disgusting.
Bleach for you dear. BLEACH!!
sprinkles it all over keyboard just to be safe

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:33:11

Your make up must be quite old dear if it smells. I'd suggest throwing it away. You could give yourself a nasty eye infection with a dodgy mascara.

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:34:01

I must admit I'm a bit like that with egg sandwiches. Not my thing but WHO AM I TO JUDGE?

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:34:08

The slapperatti gurning,tugging eyes,sucking cheeks is minging
But they'll always try dismiss others opinion

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:34:25

I know I've tried my best to develop an unknown toilet phobia but I just can't seem to manage it Clara.

cafecito Fri 07-Mar-14 22:35:00

I don't think it's that bad - I don't wear make up except mascara but for that very reason if I am having to go to something specifically where I probably should, like an interview, or out for dinner - then yeah I am afraid I do it on the train if I am very short of time. I wouldn't want to in rush hour though or facing a whole carriage but I am not sure I care less if other people do. I also put mascara on in public as some days I don't wear it and others I had to run out the door with literally not one minute of time. I am just very busy and would assume other people are not making it a choice per se but are doing it circumstantially and not every day.

I have a much bigger problem with people eating on trains - nothing worse than getting on a train next to a hot breakfast sandwich or eggy bacony muffin arrangement [bleurrh] it stinks! really vile

squoosh Fri 07-Mar-14 22:35:19

Eating egg mayonnaise sandwiches is unforgiveable, even if you're all alone in a locked room.

Ick. Wet fart sandwiches.

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:36:02

Get the bowel trained Nuggeto. Like controlled crying but with poo. Just hold it in until you get home. It's best in the long run. You're making a rod for your own wait... hang on..

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:36:13

Clara,keep up I am groomed and apply make up at home,not on transport
The odour,the gurning,the eye tugging cheek sucking and rubbing is the slapperatti

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:36:22

scottish I think you'll find I've been doing my best to understand other people's opinions on this but you just keep repeating yourself over and over without offering any explanation and you don't seem to know the meaning of common words. Therefore your opinions are rather easy to dismiss.

TSSDNCOP Fri 07-Mar-14 22:37:04

I do mine on the train.

10 extra minutes in bed vs. possible pearl clutching by strangers.

No contest.

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:37:57

Your understanding of my posts,it seems somewhat selective
You understand when you want to tell me I'm amiss
Yet claim it not understand when it suits you

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:38:58

Oh I am completely in agreement with my poor traumatised sister following the egg mayonnaise sandwich incident. I like them but would only eat them in appropriate circumstances like at home.

People are always eating McDonalds on my bus. But admittedly this mostly upsets me as it makes me want McDonalds.

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:39:06

Well yes TSS,refreshingly honest,you chose to be minging to score extra 10 in bed

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:39:41

You have made your point with the gurning and the smell Scottish, you really have. I read that.
I did.
I get that there's eye tugging.
I just think there are worse things.
Not a big deal.
Egg sandwiches and sausage rolls in my opinion.

TSSDNCOP Fri 07-Mar-14 22:39:52

Scottish you're beginning to post a lot like Yoda would.


Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:40:08

oh and arseholes... arseholes on the train are worse.

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:40:27

I understand many of the words you are using is true, especially when you keep repeating the same phrases over and over. But some of your posts seem to be missing a few words and I wasn't clear what you were on about then.

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:40:30

And you've rambled about crowd control in dept stores,random comments

MooMaid Fri 07-Mar-14 22:40:57

Ooooh depends why you spent an extra 10 mins in bed though wink, could've been well worth it for putting make-up on in public!

I however, wouldn't want to leave the house without it on. Too conscious blush

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:40:57

HURRAY TSS!!! high fives Mon the extra ten minutes in bed.

TSSDNCOP Fri 07-Mar-14 22:42:30

But like you say, they're just words on a screen. I don't care about what you post.

I do care about 10 minutes extra sleep though. You find it makes you less of a grouch see wink

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:42:32

And this is why it's mn discussion of day,it's a perennial
Slapperatti will vigorously defend their right to be mingers
And it always is a right ole rumble

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:43:05

I like the whole transformation, get on the train like a caterpillar, get off like a butterfly...Sing with me...IT'S THE CIIIIIRCLE OF LIIIIIIFE!!

NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:43:11

Who me? I haven't said a word about department stores.

I admit my comments about poo were slightly off topic alright.

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:44:04

Are you going to trademark that phrase Slaperatti scottish? I think you could be onto something there...

TSSDNCOP Fri 07-Mar-14 22:44:17

Moo sleep sometimes, other times...grin still makes you less of a grouch wink

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:44:22

I didn't ask if you italic care why would you?
If you can't be arsed getting out bed in time you'll not bother about minging habit

Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:45:02

The poo comments followed the conversation I thought Nuggeto.
Everyone say it...It's a new catchphrase... SLAPPERATTI

MooMaid Fri 07-Mar-14 22:45:26

I mentioned dept stores - as in you have make-up counters there so whats the diff between a make-up counter in a dept store and on the train? Both places have make-up and people put it on, but it doesn't make it more/less hygienic.

However I was told it was a stupid analogy so perhaps that's why it sounded pointless.... I did have a point to make!!

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:47:00


NuggetofPurestGreen Fri 07-Mar-14 22:47:34

MooMaid you're being ridiculous. Make up at department stores is lovely and clean and make up in people's makeup bags is DISGUSTING AND MINGING (but only when
used on the train obviously)


Clarabumps Fri 07-Mar-14 22:47:48

And the defence rests.

MooMaid Fri 07-Mar-14 22:50:57

Ah ok, now I see TY

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 22:51:17

Only a judge Judy viewer would think and the defence rests

TSSDNCOP Fri 07-Mar-14 22:52:45

I have been to the Laura Mercier counter this week and had a lovely time replacing loads of bits.

I find it applies very easily on both Network SE and the HS1 link.

And I still have the to read Pet Of The Day in the Metro, which makes me laugh out loud.

I like to get value from my £3k.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Fri 07-Mar-14 23:05:35

I don't get why it's minging, it's make up not shitconfused

scottishmummy Fri 07-Mar-14 23:08:50

Clearly you don't get it

cafecito Fri 07-Mar-14 23:45:45

surely it depends on train analysis, we could collect some data and come up with guidance as to when it's ok and when it isn't. I wouldn't do it on northern line, too grimy I come out covered in grey smudges at best of times. southwest trains, sure if I have 2 seats, and it's not rush hour, or a Wednesday.. or july... etc ?

smelly food = always wrong

cafecito Fri 07-Mar-14 23:52:21

you can whack on some bb creams without reference to a mirror and if you have a window seat the reflection is super for mascara smudge check

nooka Sat 08-Mar-14 06:00:57

I'm another person who really dislikes it when someone very close to me starts to put make up on, in particular eye stuff. I find it incredibly intrusive. It makes me feel that the person doing it really couldn't care less about the comfort of their fellow travelers (and some people who do it have already said just that!).

I dislike the weird faces and in particular the sticking of pencils and applicators into eyes, makes me feel quite anxious and I do start to wish that they will have some sort of accident so I can stop being bother that they might hurt themselves. I have to contort myself so I can't see them.

I hate department stores make up departments too, but they are very easily avoided.

Oh and I find lots of other things annoying on public transport, anything that affects my personal space is very irritating.

catinbootz Sat 08-Mar-14 06:06:37

Isn't it supposed to be that lipstick and powder are the only acceptable bits of make-up to apply in public?

My -- loony-- mother always said that anything else was slutty. Akin with eating or smoking in the street grin

BurntPancake Sat 08-Mar-14 06:36:26

People get worked up about this?? I don't wear make up because I can't be arsed but I really don't care at all if someone applies theirs whilst on public transport. Seems like a good use of time to me and takes some skill on a moving train/bus.

itsbetterthanabox Sat 08-Mar-14 07:10:59

I don't get how it affects anyone?!

atthestrokeoftwelve Sat 08-Mar-14 07:28:43

This almost sounds like a breastfeeding in public thread......................runs away.

noviceoftheday Sat 08-Mar-14 07:40:47

On the rare occasions I have put my make up on the train, I had had a little chuckle to myself thinking about the last time there was a thread about this. It went the same way as this one. I always wonder whether people are genuinely minding their own business or are posters on that/this thread.wink

Slapperatti Sat 08-Mar-14 07:56:04

Did someone call? grin As a proud member of Mumsnet Slapperatti I can tell you that 'make up on the train' is a Slapolympic event, along with 'non matching bra and pants' and 'surruptitious scratching of nethers in public'

Things I regularly do/have done on the train:

Apply make up
Eat toast
Breastfed a child
Put in contact lenses
Drunk alcohol

Pretty sure I have offended all cross-sections of society with that list.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sat 08-Mar-14 08:17:48

Surely if it bothers you, look out of the window, read your book, close your eyes, look at someone else.

A true commuter can block out their surroundingswink

peachysweet Sat 08-Mar-14 08:19:48

I can think of much worse things to get upset about. It wouldn't bother me unless I was having powder flicked on me or being elbowed by someone applying eyeliner.

HollaAtMeBaby Sat 08-Mar-14 08:36:30

Absolutely loving "slapperati" - FYI scottish it should be spelt with one T, like glitterati. Do you mind? It's just that I find bad spelling incredibly offensive hmm. As for people who find the sight of tube making-up so distressing - did you know it's not actually compulsory to look? Bring a book to read ideally one about how to get a grip.

vivatregina Sat 08-Mar-14 08:53:47

Tampax woman back here. Another reason I dont like it is because it makes the woman, to my eyes, look ridiculously needy and vulnerable. All that primping and preening in front of the mirror finishing with a final flourish and her best 'photo face' as if she was on her own. Much prefer the attitude 'dont bother dear nobody's looking at you'. Once the men in the carriage start on their bottles of toner and moisturiser and a little light tweezering I might have to reconsider.

trixymalixy Sat 08-Mar-14 08:57:01

I can understand finding it annoying if the person next to you is sticking their elbow in your face while applying make up, but unhygienic? Really?

I can't say I've ever even smelt the makeup when I've seen someone applying makeup on the train.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sat 08-Mar-14 09:08:31

Viva, you perceive some one who puts make up on PT as vulnerable? Bizarre.

catgirl1976 Sat 08-Mar-14 09:14:32

I do it. It's a good use of time.

I couldn't give a monkeys what anyone thinks

coffeeinbed Sat 08-Mar-14 09:15:52

Someone is brushing their hair on the seat acros the aisle right know.
It is minging.

Her hair is matted and the brush makes a scraping sound when she tried to drag it through.

catgirl1976 Sat 08-Mar-14 09:16:51

And I puff away on my ecig grin

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sat 08-Mar-14 09:20:45

I bet if men do start their beauty routine on PT there won't be threads about them being 'disgusting' and 'needy' and 'vulnerable.'

The language used on this thread is telling, it says a lot more about the individual who feels the need to slate others for doing something that isn't remotely offensive.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sat 08-Mar-14 09:21:57

Coffee, invest in some ear phones and look out the window.

Slapperati Sat 08-Mar-14 09:31:20

I need a ruling on whether it's one t or two in Slapperat(t)i

<takes the joke too far emoticon>

MadBusLady Sat 08-Mar-14 09:39:09

Yes, DameDiazepam I wonder if some people have a whole slightly fucked-up bundle of issues around sex, disgust, femininity etc and associate all of that with make-up. The reactions here are so visceral, it's odd.

coffeeinbed Sat 08-Mar-14 09:47:42

No it does not help...I have all commuter accessories. grin
It's a scraping all penetrating sound.

That hair is so matted I'm sure it's bulletproof.

noviceoftheday Sat 08-Mar-14 10:14:41

Vulnerable and needy?!shock just putting on my make up on the train. And I thought I was in the UK not Saudishock

NuggetofPurestGreen Sat 08-Mar-14 10:15:26

nooka how on earth is someone putting stuff on their own eyes intrusive to anyone else? And unless the person's elbow is moving round vigorously near you I can't see how it invades your personal space.

And still don't get the weird faces. Who cares if other people are making weird faces? How sensitive are you people? How do you go out in public at all?

This thread is really winding me up. And agree with posters that are saying there's something very odd about the visceral reactions. Women's routines should be private because the things we do are disgusting.

BoomerangSam Sat 08-Mar-14 10:19:33

When I was young, I sat on a quiet train. The man opposite me put his hands down his pants and started wanking.
Someone got on once with a massive wooden cross and started blessing each person on the train and tried 'knighting' them with the cross.
Two women sat opposite me and went into very explicit details about the sex they had last night with each other.
I've had men rub themselves up against me, swear at me and sing to me.

I seriously cannot get why putting make up on the train is offensive confused
You've all had sheltered commuter lives, haven't you?

TSSDNCOP Sat 08-Mar-14 10:26:05

<Hands Nugget new Laura Mercier powder brush to gaze on and regain calm>

This subject is as SM says one that polarises MNers, same as shoes on/shoes off and loo brushes.

It's not real. In RL no one gives a tiny rats arse if you put your mascara on on the 7:18


AnaisB Sat 08-Mar-14 10:27:49

Out of interest vivat vulnerable to what? - needing what?

If you mean "needing others' approval based on their physical attraction" then doesn't that also apply to people who put on all their make-up at home? Or is beautification OK if it's a secret?

theQuibbler Sat 08-Mar-14 10:29:08

I'm another one who didn't know this was something that people got worked up about. As DameDiazepam has said, the language on this thread is striking. So much disapproval and tutting and slut shaming.

I don't usually put make up on whilst on the tube - although I have done so - maybe I need to start doing it more regularly.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sat 08-Mar-14 10:32:00

Thanks TSSDNCOP. I know it's one of those polarising subjects but at least with shoes on/shoes off and toilet brushes I can actually see the reasons why the shoes on and no loo brush people think it's minging (outside dirt being brought inside/shitty stick sitting in your bathroom) and can also see what the shoes off/loo brush users are bothered.

This one makes no sense, I cannot see what's minging about makeup!

NuggetofPurestGreen Sat 08-Mar-14 10:32:51

aren't bothered.

TSSDNCOP Sat 08-Mar-14 10:33:58

<kicks discarded shoes and loo brush out of sight>


ProfondoRosso Sat 08-Mar-14 10:35:21

Absolutely, Boomerang. God, the sights I've seen on many a Glasgow bus! Someone putting make up on doesn't even register. Hell, sometimes I do it myself.

Seriously, though, agree with Nugget. This all comes down to women's 'rituals' being 'inevitably charged with sexual meaning, hence inappropriate for public consumption, hence disgusting. This kind of analysis has been going on for years - lipstick equals brandishing the vagina in public, etc.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sat 08-Mar-14 10:35:30

Ha ha. No one I know in real life has a no shoes rule and everyone has a loo brush!

NuggetofPurestGreen Sat 08-Mar-14 10:39:12

Yes Profondo and I think there's also something in the 'you're offending the people on the train as you don't care if they see you without makeup' comments - women should present their completed perfected selves to the world at all times or not at all, how dare we be selective about who we are wearing the make up for!!!

Gakkers Sat 08-Mar-14 11:11:04

The only disgusting thing about putting makeup on on public transport is the state of some women's makeup!!! Grubby broken mirrors, 20 yr old palettes, filthy application tools. I have an ishoo with that. I do my make up on the bus all the time....usually I have a seat to myself and it takes a couple of minutes. I love seeing what products women are using too.

scottishmummy Sat 08-Mar-14 12:09:03

Well it's my phrase so it's slapperatti,for all you disorganised gurning mingers

CaptChaos Sat 08-Mar-14 13:08:34

Couldn't give even the smallest of shits. I haven't commuted for a good few years now thank god but when I did the very least of my dramas would have been a woman putting on make up. Having unwashed armpits thrust in my face was pretty nasty. Getting my tits and arse stealth-fondled almost every day was disconcerting. Having to listen to boring twats whiffling on about who was fucking whom in the office was.... boring. A woman who wants to put make up on? A total non issue. Certainly not akin to changing tampons etc... what a weird thing to compare it to!

On the rare occasions I bother with make up, I don't gurn when I apply it, those who do must be very odd indeed!

dippydaisy1 Sat 08-Mar-14 13:10:14

Hilarious! We don't have trains and tubes here for the work commute, but I frequently put make up on in the car. I can't see how it affects anyone else.

nennypops Sat 08-Mar-14 14:28:25

It's really annoying having someone faff around with make-up when you're trying to read etc. Just don't do it.

shoppingfrenzy Sat 08-Mar-14 14:33:32

I put my make up on while I'm on the train every time I travel into London, about once a month. Can't see the problem. No-one's ever given me a second look. I've even managed mascara when I've forgotten a mirror, by using the window (it was dark outside). I have one small bag and there is no "faffing around". Done in 5 mins. I can't see why it would be unhygienic either. I don't wipe the mascara/blusher brush all over the table? No more unhygienic than doing it at home.

Next time I do it, I'll look out for all those MNers who think it's odd, smile sweetly and carry on regardless.

CarolineGB Sat 08-Mar-14 14:52:48

I admire anyone who manages to put on make up in the morning (no matter where it is!) I consider myself lucky if I get chance to do my hair and put on my deodorant! (I carry spare in my work bag in case I forget - I'd never put it on in public I'd like to add :-) ). All in all its just as well I work in a youth work setting and get to sling on jeans and a top most days

I get the tube each day and think the following are acceptable:
lipstick, mascara, eyeshadow.

I don't think full face of foundation is, or the loving application of four different colour blushers. I guess my personal rule is, if you are just doing a quick job it's fine, if you are going to spend an hour on yourself its a bit much.

I sat next to a man the other day clipping his fingernails. Had to move, as thought one might flip into my hair. <bleurgh>

I also don't like facial hair tweezing or hairbrushing really.

SwedishEdith Sat 08-Mar-14 17:39:13

God, I love spying people put their make-up on. Love watching how they do it and how they can transform themselves. I couldn't coordinate it all in public. Am always impressed.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sat 08-Mar-14 18:12:18

So it's ok to just use one blusher and as long as you don't lovingly apply it you're ok?

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sat 08-Mar-14 18:14:11

Do I need to say 3 hail Marys as well?

I think, if you are doing it as a quick fix it's fine, but spending hours on it is too much.

i once sat opposite a girl who spent the whole journey sculpting her face with four different blushers, her neck, her cleavage, it was all a bit too much IMO. plus she coated the people around her in a film of sparkly powder.

bbcessex Sat 08-Mar-14 18:35:38

Totally acceptable to put make up on on the train, as long as you're not spray painting your fellow passengers.

I don't do it but don't mind those who do.

Slapperati Sat 08-Mar-14 18:45:41

I usually drive to work and put my make up on sitting in the car in the car park when I arrive. TBH if I took the train to work I would use the time to apply make up then.

Reason? If I try to do it at home my 6 yo follows me around with an endless stream of "watcha doing Mummy? Why? What's make up? Why do you wear it? Can I have some? Please please please oh look Mummy a bit of fluff look at me twirl Mummy Mummy Mummy Mummy Mummy look look LOOOOOOOOK" while I try to apply eye liner.

And just when I distract her with a promise of unguarded gummy bears in the kitchen, DH races into the bathroom, pants already half down, having to poo RIGHT NOW. angry

I know I'm going to sound like my Granny but I can't help feeling it looks 'common'. <<clutches pearls>> wink

alemci Sat 08-Mar-14 19:01:16

I drive but do make up at home.

all extra stuff to carry plus if train jolts you might poke yourself in the eye with mascara and emulate a panda

ocelot41 Sat 08-Mar-14 19:13:28

I don't care - I would assume long commute time/children not being good at waiting! Stale farts - now that's a different matter...

nooka Sat 08-Mar-14 19:27:48

nugget I just personally find it intrusive. I don't think I relate it to sex particularly, and I'd find it just as annoying if a man did it. Just one of those things I find hard to tune out, and when I am sitting on the train I want to be able to switch off and read my book in peace. I suspect for me it's partly because I have a bit of a face phobia (I hate going to both the dentist and the optician and had major problems with contact lenses).

Of course there are other far more annoying things that people can do on the train. I've also had some guy sit down and have a wank and other gross things, but this thread was about make up.

CuntyBunty Sat 08-Mar-14 19:43:11

Shit, it's hard enough. Full time job, commute needing a train, possibly some DCs in the mix. Fuck it, who cares if some busy women put on a bit of make up on a train. Do what you like, apart from opening your legs wide, therefore taking up some of my space and eating smelly food. Nowt wrong with it. If I don't like it, I don't have to look.

bewleysisters Sat 08-Mar-14 19:51:31

Have only skimmed thread so apologies if someone has already linked, but great images here of Beauty Editors applying make-up on train grin.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sat 08-Mar-14 19:53:23

Well nooka that sounds like the problem is with you, not the people putting on makeup, as it is just something that distracts you from your book and because you have a phobia. That's not the fault of the person putting on makeup. That's like me saying I find it very distracting if people opposite me are talking to each other and therefore distracting me from my book - but I don't come on here saying 'talking is intrusive people shouldn't do it on the tube'.

I think as the OP has asked if we think it's acceptable or not we can all give our opinions. We're not going to be forming vigilante groups and hunting people down, either stopping people from applying make up or forcing them to put it on.

Crowded rush hour tubes are weird places. I had a couple snogging 5 inches from my nose the other day, and we were packed in so tightly I couldn't turn round.

peasandlove Sat 08-Mar-14 20:35:38

great thread. I cant help but think it was the friday night posting that really gave it wings. It looks like this has more to do with the issues of the commuters than those applying the makeup.

nooka Sat 08-Mar-14 20:41:34

Well talking can be intrusive can't it grin

If I was the only person who said it bothered me then I'd totally agree with you, but a fair few people have said they don't like it for a variety of reasons. I think using public transport should involve thinking at least a little bit about the comfort of your fellow passengers.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sat 08-Mar-14 20:47:12

Of course talking can be intrusive but that doesn't mean it's not acceptable which is what this thread is asking!

People have said they don't like it but no one has given a good reason. Me putting on make up interferes with other people's comfort no more than people talking interferes with mine but I would never expect people not to talk so as not to annoy me.

failingmammalian Sat 08-Mar-14 21:09:10

Slapperati. I love it. Can i join?
But please, non matching pants and bra is enuf to qualify??

JapaneseMargaret Sat 08-Mar-14 22:14:00

It's not something that bothers me per se, but it's also not someone I'd ever do.

I assume people who apply make-up on trains are the same people who go to the loo in front of the entire family, and as per a recent thread on here, choose the moment other family come into the bathroom while they're showering, to give their fanjo a good scrub.

I.e. people 'not like me' who don't place any importance on keeping a little bit of mystique about them. grin

Which is fine. We're all different.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sat 08-Mar-14 22:43:23

Margaret I would not go to the loo in front of other people shock. Putting on make up in front of strangers is not the sake as pissing in front of people!

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sat 08-Mar-14 22:49:09

You assume wrongly Japanese Margaret. How on earth is putting on make up the same as going to the loo in front of someone?

scottishmummy Sat 08-Mar-14 22:54:33

No I don't assume time starved poor burd.i think disorganised minger

NuggetofPurestGreen Sat 08-Mar-14 22:56:12

I'm not disorganised in the slightest sm. I just like to use my time efficiently.

scottishmummy Sat 08-Mar-14 23:00:41

If one was efficient,there would be no fannying about in public with make up
Repeated on thread is the whine that folk don't have time,diddums

CheesyBadger Sat 08-Mar-14 23:03:37

I used to see a lady do this every morning and we called her clown lady! She was extreme though, full works with blue eyeshadow, red lippy, the lot. She looked daft doing it on there

NuggetofPurestGreen Sat 08-Mar-14 23:10:59

I am efficient. I just use the time on the train to accomplish something that does not need to be done at home when it's appropriate.

scottishmummy Sat 08-Mar-14 23:12:23

If you were efficient you'd not be applying slap in they're inefficient

NuggetofPurestGreen Sat 08-Mar-14 23:14:05

No sm you're not getting it. I CHOOSE to apply make up on the bus/train/wherever because I want to. Not because I didn't have time to do it at home. Often it's because I want the make up to be freshly applied on my arrival somewhere.

scottishmummy Sat 08-Mar-14 23:32:42

Chose to be minging?how v empowering for you

NuggetofPurestGreen Sat 08-Mar-14 23:39:33

No. Because it's not minging.

You repeating the same thing ad nauseum doesn't make it true.

Also you should learn how to type.

scottishmummy Sat 08-Mar-14 23:51:24

Is that it?you'll have a go a post composition in absence of coherent point
it is minging,and I'm not only poster saying so,do seek out the others.address their syntax
And do keep up its a polarised thread,folk either think it's minging or it isn't

NigellasDealer Sat 08-Mar-14 23:55:57

nugget it is minging honestly

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 00:00:57

I've made many coherent points, you've just repeated the same thing over and over in (badly phrased) posts.

Nigella it's not minging according to any definition of the word minging I've ever understood and people's explanations referencing things like 'gurning' does not match up with how I understand minging. Maybe minging just means something different when I live.

The word minging has now lost all meaning to me anyway.

NigellasDealer Sun 09-Mar-14 00:04:15

haha about 'minging' I only learnt it off my much younger siblings.
honestly though it is kind of gross IMO

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 00:06:54

Yes nigella but my point is people keep saying that but not saying what is gross about it. Other than things that aren't gross like gurning. Gross to me means dirty or unhygienic as does minging. Not just 'I don't like seeing someone do it because I have weird issues about people touching their eyes' which is how it's coming across on the thread.

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 00:11:11

And you nugget are coming across whiny and listen and agree with me-me
We disagree vehemently.thats how it goes online.actually that's the fun
The big girl response isn't to whine,ohh you said dat already!oh your dreadful posts

NigellasDealer Sun 09-Mar-14 00:15:32

make up is like an artifice, a perfect mask presented to the world.
that artifice, that deal with the public as it were, is broken if you put it on in public.
There are faces that women make into the mirror that are kind of yukky (is that word ok?) in the make up process.
in addition people who do this are behaving as though there is nobody else around them, or that those people are really not important.
it is only my opinion.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 00:16:41

I don't care one jot if anyone agrees with me actually, I started off interested as to why people thought it was gross but none of of the explanations made any sense to me. Oh well.

And you as someone pointed out earlier do seem unhinged. 'Big girl response'. Jesus.

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 00:17:22

Yep,it's the face pulling,the contortions to apply,it's yuck.but they don't care

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 00:18:24

Do you actually have a point other than telling me how it is?youre bit too het up

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 00:21:18

Okay you think the faces are yukky Nigella. This isn't something I've ever noticed.

Don't agree with you about the artifice, it's not as if people don't know I have make up on even if they don't see me putting it on. And again doesn't come into my definition of gross. And I don't really care what people on the train think of me, you're right there, but don't see what's gross about this either.

Anyway bowing out now this thread has gone circular. Still none the wiser but I'll live I suppose.

NigellasDealer Sun 09-Mar-14 00:23:05

crumbs nugget, i just made three good points, and you just dismissed them; if they don't 'make any sense to you' why are you bothering to continue the discussion, such as it is.
this disregard for other people is probably why you sit on the train slapping on your slap, you old slapperatti you.

NigellasDealer Sun 09-Mar-14 00:24:06

oops sorry i see you did respond grin sorry!
think on next time you whip out your mascara on the tube!

Robfordscrack Sun 09-Mar-14 00:25:08

FFS DON'T put your foundation on in front of other people

squoosh Sun 09-Mar-14 00:27:53


So I can keep staring like a creepy weirdo. I love when someone gets their makeup bag out.

NigellasDealer Sun 09-Mar-14 00:28:49

i must admit it is kind of compelling to stare in a grossed out kind of a way....

It doesn't bother me, though smells/sprays do.

I did recently watch a woman tweeze her chin hairs on the train and I thought that was pretty revolting.

I don't think makeup is an artifice.

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 00:31:20

Do continue it's up there with the crotch scratchers,skin pickers,nail filers
All equally as minging.all part of urban mileu

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 00:32:53

Oh I'll think on alright Nigella about how unhinged (loving that word) other people are that they think putting on makeup shows disregard for other people.

Night now all!

NigellasDealer Sun 09-Mar-14 00:35:11

grin I am not 'unhinged' thanks!

Primafacie Sun 09-Mar-14 00:43:19

YABU. I only skim read the thread, but I also don't enjoy sharing that sort of 'intimacy' with a fellow tube passenger.

And, while I admit I am one of a tiny minority, the smell of make up gave me horrible nausea when I was pregnant. I remember too well the heaving I got when someone produced foundation, blush, eyeliner and mascara out of their purse... Even though it was years ago, I remember it as one of the low points of pregnancy. Seeing the application made me sick too - the whole process of someone 'putting their face own' was unbearable.

There may not be a pregnant woman on your carriage, but there may be others who are taking drugs or have conditions that make them over-sensitive to smells. I would personally refrain from doing my m-u on the tube or train for that reason. And yes, I have kids, a long commute, early mornings, etc.

peasandlove Sun 09-Mar-14 00:47:36

do people actually say "minging" ? I thought that was all a bit Jade Goody circa 2003

trixymalixy Sun 09-Mar-14 00:53:03

We Scots use minging a lot. Can't say that people pulling faces to put on makeup is a definition of minging that I have ever heard of though....

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 00:56:13

The complete act is minging,the eye pulling,cheek sooking,face contortion is gurning

peasandlove Sun 09-Mar-14 00:56:21

should people not wear perfume or deodorant in case if offends a pregnant woman too? I'd think makeup would be one of the less smelly things about the train

trixymalixy Sun 09-Mar-14 00:57:34

I disagree scottishmummy, not minging to me.

itsbetterthanabox Sun 09-Mar-14 01:04:13

Someone pulling a different face offends you? Why? Seriously think why that would matter to you?
Makeup doesn't usually smell.

TheGirlWhoKickedTheVipersNest Sun 09-Mar-14 01:10:28

I never realised this was even a thing that bothered people! I don't do it because I rarely wear makeup anyway and I'd be too embarrassed by how bad I am at applying it when I do grin But I'm not sure I'd even notice other people putting makeup on in public, no idea why it's seen as slutty or whatever confused I can understand being squeamish about people putting pointy things near their eyes on moving trains, but I wouldn't judge them for it.

trixymalixy Sun 09-Mar-14 01:21:49

So if someone is making a face because that are concentrating on something ( hard crissword clue for example)is that minging?

All this "artifice is broken" shite reminds me of those rules for 1950s housewives where they were supposed to get up before their husband to apply their makeup so as not to allow him to see them without makeup.

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 01:24:56

Well it made discussion of day cause it's a mn perennial,polarising and lots traffic

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 01:26:02

Make up smells.someone near me was applying a big lip crayon smelt like toothpaste

Innermagic Sun 09-Mar-14 01:35:23

I would say a woman's mascara face is a bit like a guys come face.... Not pretty

JapaneseMargaret Sun 09-Mar-14 02:24:34

Nugget, there are plenty of people who do use the loo in front of the entire family - MN is quite the revelation at times - and so yes, I group public-make-up-appliers in the same pigeon-hole as people who happy to toilet with an audience.

In my mind, it's the same sort of thing. I.e. neither of which, I'd do.

JapaneseMargaret Sun 09-Mar-14 02:27:26

But, again, if others want to, it's their prerogative.

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 02:31:53

Can't you see difference trixy,this is beauty thread discussing apply make up in public
Crossword is print medium,no brush,no gloop,no odour,gurning face optional
So a crossword face,is a poor comparison for a make up face

squoosh Sun 09-Mar-14 02:40:58

'I would say a woman's mascara face is a bit like a guys come face'


That is so true.

To be honest, I admire a person all the more if they're prepared to display their come face to a carriage full of strangers.

nkf Sun 09-Mar-14 06:44:29

I wouldn't do it but I'm not that bothered by people who do. It does look strange though. All that squinting and pulling. I think people don't realise they are being watched. They imagine a cloak of invisibility around them.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 07:58:52

They realise nfk, they just either don't care or couldn't possibly in their wildest dreams think that some thing so normal would offend someone.

atthestrokeoftwelve Sun 09-Mar-14 08:17:31

Make up smells. So what? Usually it smells quite nice.

People smell generally- of stale cigareet smoke, BO, bad breath, baby's dirty nappies, hangover stench, perfume, ddirty hair,too much aftershave, dirty underwear. I think make up is one of the least offensive smells.

ProfondoRosso Sun 09-Mar-14 08:38:37

All this "artifice is broken" shite reminds me of those rules for 1950s housewives where they were supposed to get up before their husband to apply their makeup so as not to allow him to see them without makeup

Agree with trixy. You know what I think is minging? That any modern woman would think that kind of mindset was ok. Maybe just get on with reading your Metro and quit judging?

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 08:54:46

I agree whole heartedly.

It would not bother me in the slightest , quite a shitty attitude that women should only put make up on in private lest someone see their bare faces. I think it's great if someone has the confidence to do it, I'd assume they were comfortable with their bare faces in order to make their face up in public .

VortexOfDisaster Sun 09-Mar-14 09:20:36

I don't think anyone has expressed anything negative about not wearing any makeup. That's not a problem.

The issue is the perceived intrusion of being forced to witness an act that many people consider should be kept private.

Clearly the people who don't see it as a private act don't perceive it as an intrusion. Those who do, find it uncomfortable to watch.

For me, the problem is this failure to acknowledge that there are people who find it intrusive. That's disrespectful.

It is like having a loud phone conversation on the train. The people who do it just don't care that hearing their (often ridiculously) private conversation is intrusive and annoying to other people.

The sort of attitude that says, 'you know what I don't know these people and I don't care what they think, I'll do what suits me', is not being broad minded, modern minded, or demonstrating feminist inclinations.

In my opinion, it is ill-mannered, disrespectful and tasteless.

itsbetterthanabox Sun 09-Mar-14 09:33:45

Vortex. No it's completely different. A loud conversation interrupts other people. It means their conversations between themselves are interrupted or if they are listening to music it interrupts that. Makeup application does not do this. It has no impact on those around you. Saying it is something that should be seen as private is sexist bullshit. I don't care if 'ruin the illusion' of makeup for men. I'm a human not a doll.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 09:45:14

Vortex, but why should it be done in private?

But surely if you don't like watching, you can, er ... look away? confused

I get it. I'm bizarrely squeamish about earrings and piercings. I actually find it quite hard to look at those big ones that stretch people's ears. It doesn't mean I get to ban them from my train - I just look away.

You can't avoid someone else's loud conversation in the same way, which is why it is intrusive.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 09:46:43

It's all a bit 'naice girls don't wear make up, isn't it?' sad

MadBusLady Sun 09-Mar-14 09:55:58

See, I'd buy the "respect other's opinions" line if it weren't for the fact that there are people on this thread genuinely comparing the act of putting on mascara to having a poo or pulling a blood-soaked wad of cotton out of your fanny. Which is just bonkers and frankly I think it comes under the heading of "issues" rather than opinion.

trixymalixy Sun 09-Mar-14 10:26:52

No scottishmummy I can't see much difference. I'm trying to understand what the issue is with it. You don't really seem to understand what your issue with it is either as you don't seem to be able to articulate it. You just keep repeating the same thing over and over again.

So it's nothing to do with the face people pull then, it's just that you feel the makeup might contaminate you then? Really unless someone is flinging powder all over the place it's not likely.

What about people eating or drinking on the train, is that acceptable? That smells more, and is more likely to produce crumbs that might get on someone else. Yet unless they're making a massive mess I doubt anyone would bat an eyelid.

So why is makeup on a train not acceptable? It seems to boil down to the fact that people seem to think it should be done in private. Well are we not back to the 1950s housewife here?

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 10:30:16

That's it Madbus. And even though I have said I would not go to the loo in front of other people I have been told I am the same sort of person hmm.

And yes I think the failure to acknowledge that it's not like having a really loud conversation or cutting your toenails is the issue for the 'makeup is disgusting brigade'. I don't do things that are intrusive (eating, shouting, really loud music, invading personal space by spreading out over two seats) but putting on makeup is not intrusive. Just because you personally find it offensive doesn't make it intrusive.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 10:32:52

trixy I've tried that approach with sm didn't get anywhere. I was just told I was whiny. grin

noviceoftheday Sun 09-Mar-14 10:35:16

And now you know might understand why every time i do my make up on the train I think of sm (who is actually one of my favourite mumsnetterswink) and have a silent chuckle to myself.grin

itsbetterthanabox Sun 09-Mar-14 10:35:24

None of makeup is scented. Some American makeup is but most UK makeup isn't.
Are you sure you couldn't just smell toothpaste on her breathe?
Perfume, deodorant, BO, food these are things that smell not makeup.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 10:37:43

How do people feel about someone putting their contact lenses in on the train then?? grin

VortexOfDisaster Sun 09-Mar-14 10:42:11

I don't think it matters why people find it uncomfortable. The fact is that they do, and, so yes it does impact on them. Lots of people have said so. You can accept that (respect their perspective) or not.

Public transport is generally a pain and anything that anyone does that (however small in the grand scheme of things) is a bit self absorbed or inconsiderate makes it just a tad more unpleasant for everyone.

It is nothing to do with 'nice girls don't wear make up'.

But there is an element of lack of respect - both for themselves (they do look quite silly) and for others (who are being jostled/ forced to witness/ subject to smells... whatever) in women who do this.

Forago Sun 09-Mar-14 10:45:30

Another one who couldn't give a crap. I'd much rather sit next to someone quietly putting make up on in their own space than the usual arseholes huffing and puffing, shivibg their bags into you, pushing their knees and elbows into you, giving you a headache with their awful leaky, tinny headphones or, my personal bugbear, texting the whole journey without having key sounds turned off. As other have said, putting make up on is way down the list of obnoxious commuter behaviour.

I don't get the hygiene aspect really either _ when I out eyeliner, lipstick or mascara on I touch my face with the sticks, not my hands.

nkf Sun 09-Mar-14 10:45:57

The lack of ease about make up is about privacy. About things that are often/usually done at home being done in public. It is similar to the loud conversations. In both cases, we are made privy to behaivour that is usually done behind private doors. Toenail cutting is different because it leaves debris.

itsbetterthanabox Sun 09-Mar-14 10:48:09

Ok vortex. Most makeup doesn't smell and I don't jostle anyone.
Why is eating food ok? Working on the train? Talking to a friend? Listening to music? Some of this might make me uncomfortable but I don't tell people not to do it because it's none of my business. It doesn't actually affect me so I act like an adult and leave them to it.

Evie2014 Sun 09-Mar-14 11:14:49

I hate it when scottishmummy joins a thread and takes over with incessant posting. I always stop reading when she gets going. It's a real shame as it's ruined quite a few interesting threads for me.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 11:29:29

Vortex, it does matter why it bothers people. So far we've had-

Make up is smelly
It can contaminate you

It's intrusive

I have a phobia about an eye pencil going into someone's eye.

Applying it makes you look like you an having an orgasm.

It looks common

It's the same as going to the loo or changing your tampon in front of people.

Seriously?hmm what a load of utter bollox!

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 11:43:09

Good morning Evie,any other point?or just to berate me for having temerity to participate
In fairness the other posters are more than capable of contributing and rebuking my pov
As I'd expect someone to do,that's the point..

Shimmyshimmy Sun 09-Mar-14 11:50:55

I have read this thread and what has come across is that a lot of people have some odd issues - I'm not talking about the woman who apply their make up on the train.
What other hang ups do you people have - just the make up on the train thing because I suspect you have loads of rules, rules that most people would consider unnecessary.

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 11:58:26

Well,yes as thread illustrate it's polarising,that's why it's a perennial.gets folk going
And I'm not going to be disavowed of my opinion that image up on train is minging
Equally I don't expect someone else to say,hey all things considered you're so right sm

Mn is like a window of life,and opinion one doesn't routinely encounter. That's why it interesting.and often do heatedly contested

NigellasDealer Sun 09-Mar-14 12:03:54

no shimmyshimmy i do not have loads of issues and 'rules', I just find people doing their make - up on public transport a bit vile.

VortexOfDisaster Sun 09-Mar-14 12:04:13

itsbetter I'm not sure whether you are saying these things bother you or not? If they do, then I would agree people doing them should be considerate of that.

Most people on trains don't tell other people not to do the things that bother them. But I don't think we should have to. Everyone just needs to give a little consideration to the fact that there are other people around and they are not alone. This goes for eating smelly food/ playing loud music/ having loud conversations/ personal grooming... whatever the issue is.

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 12:05:41

No rules,ticks,or compulsions here.i just think make up on train is bogging

MoominIsWaitingToMeetHerMiniMe Sun 09-Mar-14 12:10:21

Evie I tend to start reading when scottishmummy posts

I like how she is obviously unhinged and always
presses 'enter' halfway through a sentence like she is
pausing. I like to read her posts in the style
of William Shatner. It

I'm a face painter, I may start doing face paint train parties just to really get you all clutching your pearls and catsbumfacing.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 12:12:15

Moomin that's brilliant. I'll go back and read them in the William Shatner style now rather than waste any more time trying to make sense of the make up naysayers.

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 12:12:19

Most of us silently tolerate things we don't like,like food,loud music,loud phone calls
Having said that,I did once ask someone to stop the make up faff next to me
she had two pots sparkly loose eyeshadow balanced on her knees on shooglie underground

NigellasDealer Sun 09-Mar-14 12:15:24

grin what did she say SM?

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 12:16:49

I'm bemused at the disproportionate ire this provokes in the slapperatti
unhinged and William shatner, well that's a comedic partnership
the slapperatti that knowing majority think theryre mingers,causes them psychic distress so they need to demonise others

itsbetterthanabox Sun 09-Mar-14 12:17:07

My point is that if something slightly bothers me but I can see that it is me being irrational then I need to deal with that not everyone else.
If something actually is rude or intrusive then it's obvious because everyone will be bothered by and some people including me will say something.

SirChenjin Sun 09-Mar-14 12:17:47

A bit of lip gloss or lipstick - fine. Full makeup, involving flicky flacky brushes and powder flying about the place, or smelly perfume, hairspray or nail varnish - absolute no-no.

VortexOfDisaster Sun 09-Mar-14 12:18:29

Dame, I think you are illustrating my point. For a variety of reasons people have expressed their view that being involuntarily subject to someone putting on make up on trains bothers them. You have chosen to dismiss these views and are indicating that you don't respect them.

So, it doesn't really matter what views are put forward here, you are going to continue to do as you please. That's your choice, but you can't really condemn scottishmummy then for being facetious about your attitude.

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 12:19:20

She said nowt just glowered,gathered her loose pots closer to her,continued smoky eye with dexterity of an excitable toddler

NigellasDealer Sun 09-Mar-14 12:20:12

grin + real laugh - you should write haiku

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 12:23:04

Majority silently tolerate things we dislike eg smelly food,loud music,yak on mobile
It's not worth the arse ache of complaining, so no I don't speak up
Don't assume because people don't comment that apply make up in train is acceptable

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 12:23:32

I didn't condemn Scottish mummy vortex. My post was addressed to you.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 12:27:58

Actually,I think I would have done the same as Scottish mummy if someone was about to tip sparkly eye shadow all over me, but at the same time I wouldn't get angry about everyone putting make up on the train.

LIZS Sun 09-Mar-14 12:29:39

oh dear looks like another mn fail for me. Did this for years when I commuted as I valued sleep more than style. Always had to hope I got a seat!

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 12:31:59

Lizs-couldn't you do it one handed standing up?!wink

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 12:32:48

Ive never been angry about make up application on a train.ever
I've had concrete thought that's disgusting,manage your time better you disorganised slattern
But as I said,the majority silently tolerate things they dislike.its not worth the arse ache of complaining

MoominIsWaitingToMeetHerMiniMe Sun 09-Mar-14 12:32:49

I rarely travel by train these days but even when I did, I'd put my make-up on beforehand, so I assure you I'm not part of the 'slapperati'.

I'm just calling it as I see it - your writing style is ridiculous, you come across as being off your rocker and if something like people putting make-up on in your presence causes you so much distress, maybe you shouldn't leave the house just in case you see - god forbid - someone taking their jumper off in public on a warm day, or - shock, horror! - having a drink, because they should've thought to rehydrate themselves before they left the house, the abominable slatterns.

trixymalixy Sun 09-Mar-14 12:33:22

I totally disagree with you on the reasons for someone being uncomfortable being unimportant vortex. Or that the onus is always on the person making them feel uncomfortable to stop.

For example a person discreetly breast feeding on the train. I'm sure plenty of people would feel uncomfortable about that, but really that's their issue, they are totally in the wrong.

I am not comparing a need to bf a baby to putting on makeup btw before anyone picks me up on that. Just pointing out that other people's issues should not always be accommodated.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 12:33:59

Yes Vortex, Dame is dismissing the views not because she is an inconsiderate person or does as she pleases, but because the views expressed seem to stem from very personal issues that the objectors have, rather than any understandable reasons which would affect the majority of people such as smelly food or wanking.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 12:35:57

or what trixy said.

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 12:37:07

Moomin,so far you've called me obviously unhinged off my rocker
I think you need to de-personalise mn,not be so het up
It's permissible to dislike a post,it's not really done thing to personally attack as obviously unhinged off my rocker

MoominIsWaitingToMeetHerMiniMe Sun 09-Mar-14 12:37:45

scottish have you considered that maybe it isn't that the majority disapprove but are silent about it - it's that the majority really couldn't give a shit either way, so the so-called 'slapperati' continue doing it, and those who feel offended by it sit there and seethe and hoik their bosoms, consoling themselves that everyone else feels the same way when really, they don't?

NigellasDealer Sun 09-Mar-14 12:39:46

anyway nugget i do not have 'personal issues' i just do not want to watch some old slapperatti doing her lipstick on the train, esp that 'lipstick' face.
actually i am not even that bothered as i usually now drive everywhere.
haha imagine doing your make-up while driving!

trixymalixy Sun 09-Mar-14 12:40:27

I actually think putting make up on on the train is quite efficient time management. If I could be arsed to put makeup on in the mornings I might do it!

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 12:40:46

Nugget I see you find smelly food to be unreasonable.not all do,so it's not universal
Can you see,that just as you find smelly food unacceptable,others find make up application unacceptable
Make up has odour,it's pigmented in colour,i find it's public application unacceptable

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 12:41:24

You don't have to watch-look out the window!

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 12:42:12

Lipstick face, the kat slater come and get it pout

MoominIsWaitingToMeetHerMiniMe Sun 09-Mar-14 12:44:17

I cannot take anyone seriously who cites one of the reasons for public make-up application being unreasonable as, "it's pigmented in colour".

Won't somebody think of the children????

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 12:45:41

'Old slapperati' charming. Considering I was about 22 when I used to do this not sure that's apt.

Thinking women are gross for putting on makeup sounds like a personal issue to me.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 12:46:10

I can't take anyone seriously who complains about the way in which a women applies lipstick. For goodness sake!

NigellasDealer Sun 09-Mar-14 12:47:01

no i do not think women are gross for putting on make-up, just for doing it in public. Blame my mother and granny, I dunno.
christ i really should do some work instead of wittering on here grin

VortexOfDisaster Sun 09-Mar-14 12:48:48

Dame I realise your post was directed at me. But what I am saying is that you have been quite scathing of the views of anyone who has come forward to say the don't like people putting on make up on trains. You got quite upset by it being called 'minging' (sm's term?), but if you are going to be so dismissive of the views of others, then it's not going to be possible for anyone to seriously put forward their views. I sympathise with more flippant remarks made instead.

Nugget it is similarly easy to dismiss views you don't agree with as 'stemming from personal issues'. All of our opinions stem from personal issues, that doesn't make them less valid. As I said, it is about having a bit of consideration for the views of others.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 12:51:15

Sorry I meant thinking women putting make up on in public is gross sounds like you have issues to me.

And yes I am a bit ire-y about this. This thread and the other one about how women should accept being called their husband's names makes me wonder how we are ever supposed to get anywhere with equality when so many women are misogynists.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 12:52:54

Quite scathing? I've not even started, blimey!grin

Quite upset at the use of minging? Err, nope, odd choice of phrase which I may have questioned until someone up thread explained it's a common term in Scotland.

NigellasDealer Sun 09-Mar-14 12:54:43

i am not a 'misogynist' and felt very strongly about keeping my own name and giving it to my children.

I would feel the same if a man was putting on make-up on the train or putting in his contact lenses or whatever.

you seem unable to accept that other people might have different views to yourself and so start throwing insults. First of all it was 'ishoos' now it is 'misogyny' ffs.

trixymalixy Sun 09-Mar-14 12:55:22

I might not agree with scottishmummy on this point but I always enjoy her eccentric posts.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 12:56:07

And no one has 'seriously put forward their views' as far as I can see, just used awful language to describe a perfectly normal action ( excluding anyone who is actually throwing powder around the train carriage)

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 12:59:40

I can accept different views when they are articulated well and have solid reasoning behind them. Not just 'it's minging' over and over.

Re misogyny I was specifically referring to people who went on about 'unbecoming' ' trashy' etc.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 13:01:08

Also grin at accusing me of throwing insults. So calling me 'bogging' 'disgusting' 'minging' 'vile' 'trashy' and an old slapperati isn't throwing insults?!

NigellasDealer Sun 09-Mar-14 13:01:45

oh right fair enuff, i can see 'unbecoming' and 'trashy' do sound a bit hating actually.
do love the word 'minging' though grin

trixymalixy Sun 09-Mar-14 13:04:00

Agree Dame, I'm quite happy to have consideration for other people's views but no one has put forward any particularly valid reasons. If your make up application is sending makeup over others then that's clearly not acceptable, if the smell is overpowering then not acceptable. But all the people I have seen put makeup on on the train have done it in a discreet non smelly manner not affecting anyone. But the mess and the smell are clearly not the real issue here as both are usually non existent.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 13:06:06

I've just had a read back , not sure it was me who got upset at the use of 'minging' at allconfused

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 13:06:59

Let's not forget 'tasteless.'

Mim78 Sun 09-Mar-14 13:10:00

Of course it's ok. Not harming anyone as long as you are careful.

If you have busy morning, Dcs to get ready etc it saves vital minutes.

No worse certain.y than drinking a coffee.

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 13:15:24

Moomin given your track record in posting,nor do I take you seriously
Your inabily to post without resorting to claiming I'm clearly unhinged Or off my rocker
Or you simply don't likey my posts..

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 13:18:34

Think that was me Dame. But I didn't get upset about it particularly I just got tired of reading the word over and over with no qualification as to why it was minging...

procrastinatingagain Sun 09-Mar-14 13:19:47

Well this has developed into a frank exchange of views hasn't it grin

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 13:20:58

Make up On train is bogging and yuk.up there with other low level intrusions that one ignores
Smelly food,feet on seats,loud sound leaking headphones,all low level annoyances
And fortunately op started thread,as she knows by the funny looks that it is bogging

SoleSource Sun 09-Mar-14 13:22:27

I totally agree with DameDiazepam

Who gives a fuck, better than a lot of other stuff people do in public. Spitting, passing up walls, showing their bare arises.

Get a fucking grip!

MoominIsWaitingToMeetHerMiniMe Sun 09-Mar-14 13:23:21

You're right, scottish, I've never posted on mumsnet without claiming you're unhinged or off your rocker.

In fact, just the other day I was posting about a recipe for a pasta bake, and I couldn't even post that without adding "While waiting for the pasta to boil, remind yourself of how unhinged ScottishMummy is".

True story.

grow up

SoleSource Sun 09-Mar-14 13:24:48

Have you ever confronted a make up train criminal in real life Scottish?

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 13:25:09

There no grip to be gotten,make up on train is as bogging as crotch scratching,spitting
It's not better than the odious habits you cite sole
Make up on train is as gross as all the examples you Gave

jellyandcake Sun 09-Mar-14 13:26:42

I sat next to a woman on the train yesterday applying her make up. Her elbows did not encroach on my space at any point, she didn't pull any odd faces, she didn't tug her eyes, her make up had no scent, she didn't spill anything and no one in the carriage appeared visibly distressed (or like they even noticed). Woman in question is my sister so I would have had no compunction in telling her if any of those things had happened!

Neither of us would dream of going to the toilet in front of each other or public tampon changing.

During my pregnancy, the smell of coffee has made me retch to the point of actually vomiting. I have not expected all members of the public to stop drinking coffee on trains/the street/anywhere else I might catch a whiff of it because it's not a generally offensive thing -it was my problem and mine alone. I don't expect people to modify their behaviour because of my quirks and issues which is what the people objecting to make up application seem to be doing.

People with chewing gum though - with their noisy, bovine chomping - that's unbearable! I'd ban them from public transport in a second!

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 13:27:21

Do you have a point moomin,other than your concern girl my mental wellbeing?
Or are you simply name calling

SoleSource Sun 09-Mar-14 13:27:31

Well I happen to disagree!

itsbetterthanabox Sun 09-Mar-14 13:28:52

A person rubbing a cream onto their face is not gross like spitting or crutch grabbing. Those things leave mess, crotches are a sweaty part of the body. Can you genuinely not see the difference?

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 13:29:00

Yep applying make up to your FACE is the same as sticking your hand down your knickers and scratching your fanny or expelling bodily fluids from your mouth. I can't see any difference whatsoever.

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 13:29:23

Fortunately you're on right thread lots of disagreement here sole

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 13:29:35

X-post box

NigellasDealer Sun 09-Mar-14 13:29:52

haha we all have things on public transport that wind us up!
one of my personal pet hates is when people have those tiny ear phones in and their music turned up so loud that all around them is a kind of tinny musical sound that to outsiders is not quite music! i really would not mind if somebody had a loud radio or something it is that kind of 'pss psss pss' sound that is the wind up.
so what about somebody doing their make-up and listening to their mp3 player turned up too loud at the same time?

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 13:31:07

And putting in contact lenses and eating Nigella grin

SoleSource Sun 09-Mar-14 13:31:21

I use a foundation brush.

NigellasDealer Sun 09-Mar-14 13:32:19

all at the same time!? now that is multi tasking!

MoominIsWaitingToMeetHerMiniMe Sun 09-Mar-14 13:37:04

My point is that your views on public make-up application are extreme and bizzare.

It's a forum for opinions, is it not? hmm

scottishmummy Sun 09-Mar-14 13:41:15

And my point is your calling me clearly unhinged and off my rocker
Is somewhat disproportionate
Says a lot about you,and nothing of relevance about me

VortexOfDisaster Sun 09-Mar-14 13:41:34

In fairness, I think quite a lot of people have tried to explain why they don't like it. All views have been summarily dismissed as 'not valid' or 'sounds like you have issues'.

I'm not sure why you feel you need to say you have 'not even started' in terms of being scathing?

I've been trying to say that a fundamental problem about this is demonstrating a lack of respect for the views of others.

Not accepting or acknowledging these views is part of this.

But I can see I'm flogging a dead horse!

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 13:47:05

The reason I feel the need to say 'I've not even started' is in direct response to you saying I've been scathing,I haven't,I have disagreed and asked you where exactly you think I got 'quite upset at the use of minging.'

If someone had given a reason such as being highly allergic to an ingredients in make up I can totally understand why they'd be cheesed off. Stating the reason as 'it's tasteless' is going to get the response of what a load of utter bollox from me.

Viviennemary Sun 09-Mar-14 13:47:42

I hate it as I said upthread. It's just something that really annoys me. I don't want to see other people putting on their make-up, spraying their underarms . (yuck) Do it in the privacy of your own home or a loo. Not in public. It's something that I feel uncomfortable with and always move seats if possible.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 13:49:04

And you're right,I have no respect for anyone who uses such awful phrases to a woman applying make up.

That's not really fair, vortex. Plenty of people have commented saying it doesn't bother them, without rubbishing the views of those who say it does bother them.

And you can't really be surprised people don't like being called 'minging' or 'bogging' or 'vile', can you?

I don't wear makeup often enough to bother doing it on the train, but I also don't care if others do it. So I have very little invested and can see pretty clearly why some are a bit offended.

Of course, it's presumably absolutely fine to be offensive on the net, and quite different from other kinds of offensiveness like, y'know, putting makeup on in the train ...?

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 13:50:33

Spraying under arms IS inconsiderate. It's stinky and can aggravate asthma.

VortexOfDisaster Sun 09-Mar-14 14:06:23

LRD you are absolutely right, and my comments were not directed at everyone. There were some very fair views put forward on both sides, and funny ones too. Whatever I think myself I could see what people were saying.

I have felt, though, that both Dame and Nuggethave been overly dismissive of any views put forward that did not agree with theirs.

Dame - when people have expressed views, you've said things along the lines of 'bizarre', 'look out the window then', 'you have issues', 'that's not valid' etc. Some people might say that is being scathing. My reading of your comments has led me to feel that you are not willing to listen to any views that you feel might conflict with your own.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 14:10:20

I've said 'you have issues?' Not sure about that, but will read back.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 14:19:20

Some might say looking out the window is a sensible suggestion if you are focusing on something you don't like.

laza222 Sun 09-Mar-14 14:46:15

It doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone does their make up on the train. Nail varnish maybe but the rest - no. It doesn't impact me. Loud music, feet on seats, people who don't fold the newspaper - those all annoy me.

SirChenjin Sun 09-Mar-14 15:29:29

Some people might say that it's up to the person imposing their behaviour on others to show consideration for others and refrain from doing so, rather than expecting everyone else to shut up and look out of the window.

It all depends on whether or not you think it's important to show consideration for your fellow travellers.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 15:33:57

I didn't say 'shut up,' I said look out of the window to distract yourself. Obviously if you are being covered in powder then say something.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 15:34:49

I put my make up on at the kitchen table, while eating breakfast-good multi taskinggrin

SirChenjin Sun 09-Mar-14 15:40:45

Obv. I paraphrased the 'shut up' - but essentially that's what you were suggesting. Distract yourself by looking out of the window? Why the heck should I have to 'distract myself' while someone is imposing their inconsiderate behaviour on me? That's not having issues or having invalid opinions, that's expecting others to be considerate and courteous.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Sun 09-Mar-14 15:42:38

Again, enough with 'issues' I haven't said thatconfused

I'm off to make the most of the sunshinesmile

Slattern is a nasty, misogynistic word. Real shame that it's bandied about so carelessly on here.

Argh fucking autocorrect.

SirChenjin Sun 09-Mar-14 16:08:16

I have no idea whether or not you said issues - I'm repeating what has been levelled at those of us who don't want to be jostled, covered in powder, or have the tiny amount of personal space 'invaded' by women putting on their makeup.

I would also feel the same about a man using an electric shaver on the train though. There is a myriad of inconsiderate behaviour on public transport, sadly.

ProfondoRosso Sun 09-Mar-14 17:46:43

Agree with Amber - 'slattern' and 'slapper' are insults designed to put women in 'their place.' They are inherently misogynistic. If you don't consider yourself a misogynist, ask yourself why you think it's ok to use those words.

CuntyBunty Sun 09-Mar-14 17:57:29

It's all an extension of another stick to beat women with, the "public make up disgust". Leave them alone and look the other way.

"Minging" and "minger" are nearly as bad too, Profondo. They are just that bit more subtle. I feel sad for women after reading such vehement negativity towards them on this thread for doing something that at worst, could be mildly irritating. It's a heart sink thread.

NuggetofPurestGreen Sun 09-Mar-14 18:05:06

Definitely Cunty. I am sad

Shimmyshimmy Sun 09-Mar-14 18:07:43

Agree cunty - it's a depressing thread.

Agree with amber.

Viviennemary Sun 09-Mar-14 18:24:23

I just don't agree with 'it's another stick to beat womenwith.' I'd feel just as annoyed at a man who decided to shave on the train. Do your toilette at home. Not on the train.

CuntyBunty Sun 09-Mar-14 18:27:04

Shaving would kick up hair dust, so it would be far more invasive. Shaving in public showers is not allowed because of the risk of blood borne infection, so it's in a different league to putting on a bit of make up.

I'm probably going to regret this, but here goes.
We get on horribly overcrowded tubes most days of our lives to get to work. people are stressed by the close proximity to people they don't know, that they are hurtling through dark tunnels a long way underground, could get stuck in the tunnels at any point, could be late for work, could get blown up, so basically try to block everyone else out. In order for us to be able to do that effectively, everyone else has to more or less do the same. Sit quietly, don't make eye contact, and get through it, till you squeeze off at the other end.
Now anyone on that carriage who is doing anything unusual, clipping nails, humming, lounging over you, snogging, sniffing, snoring, sneezing, humming, somehow stresses most people out. I can't think anyone cares if you slap on a bit of lipstick, or something quick, but if you start an elaborate beauty routine then it just seems bizarre.
Trains, buses, cars don't seem to have the same effect as you can look out the window and daydream, but being on a rushhour tube just seems to make everything matter more.

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