Does this bra exist?

(81 Posts)
fedupandfifty Sun 12-Jan-14 18:37:34

I'm looking for a bra that is non-wired, has the comfort of a sports bra, is glamorous, and black ( or easily matchable). Nork size: 36B.

Does it exist?

SorrelForbes Sun 12-Jan-14 19:19:22

Hmmm, doubtful to be honest. Most unwired bras are distinctly unglamorous as they never really fit properly (it's almost impossible to get the gore to lie flat)

First things first (and I hope I won't offend you by asking), are you absolutely certain that a 36B is the right size? If you are unsure, measure following this guide.

A properly fitting bra will be very comfortable indeed.

FoxyHarlow123 Sun 12-Jan-14 19:21:35

I always wear unwired bras (breast reduction - wires irritate a bit). This type of bra is like rocking horse poo!! I can do all of that without the glamorous bit!!

FoxyHarlow123 Sun 12-Jan-14 19:22:10

Oh and the gore lies dead flat against my chest!

FoxyHarlow123 Sun 12-Jan-14 19:24:52
FoxyHarlow123 Sun 12-Jan-14 19:25:41

Only starts at a 34 though. Good old M & S again!!

SorrelForbes Sun 12-Jan-14 19:26:56

Sorry, I don't think that bra is giving any lift or shape. It doesn't fit the model either but that's M&S for you!

WhatWouldCaitlinDo Sun 12-Jan-14 19:27:55

Calvin Klein have some non underwired bras with pretty cups.

fedupandfifty Sun 12-Jan-14 20:16:51

I quite like the one in the link. At least it's pretty. I am going to measure myself properly, though. Thanks for link, sorrel

If you need help then post the measurements up here and one of us will tell you where to start

<takes bets on it not being a 36b>

fedupandfifty Mon 13-Jan-14 09:52:50

Thanks all. At the moment I'm wearing my only tolerable one -a sports bra from Peacocks-which makes my chest look like a pillow-but at least the straps don't drop.

Not sure about the prospect of pulling out my saggy norks out, but if that what it takes, so be it.

statistically you're probably right.

What dress size are you out of interest

fedupandfifty Mon 13-Jan-14 12:35:48

I'm a 12, statistically. I used to be a 10 long ago, and wearing a 34b. I convince myself I'm still that size. I know I'm not really. I can get away with vests with shelves in, or even nothing at all, sometimes. With bras, the main irritation for me is straps dropping.

I'm in denial about needing a bigger bra, so I buy cheap ones I know are not my size, and then complain about them not fitting. Hence the sports bra, which is stretchy.

I've just bought a cheap non-wired bra in Tesco for 4 quid. It's 36b. Haven't tried it on yet, though.

Pinkbell123 Mon 13-Jan-14 12:41:37

I got a black non wired one from John Lewis for early pregnancy. Plain with a little bit of lace around the bottom of the cups. I found that the non wired range was so much nicer there than m and s. I think this is it

You are almost certainly not a 36 at a size 12. In reality you weren't a 34 either. You are probably a 30 or 32 at most.

Please don't keep that 36 b. It'll do nothing for you or how you feel. You've done the classic of going up in the back which you almost certainly didn't need to do.

Straps dropping. ..missed that. If your straps fall down the band is too big.

Chopsypie Mon 13-Jan-14 12:51:43

Ooh I like when sorrell catches a thread early!

Please measure yourself OP, I bet you aren't a 36. I'm a 34 or 36 and I'm a size 16!

fedupandfifty Mon 13-Jan-14 12:57:01

Crumbs! Never thought I'd need a SMALLER back!

Thanks all. Back to the drawing board....

burnishedsilver Mon 13-Jan-14 13:00:09

fedupand50, I've been wearing 34B knowing it didnt fit right anymore (I know realise it probably never did) and contemplating moing up to 36B. Thanks to what I've read here about measuring for bras, I've just bought the most comfortable bra ever. Its 32D! Depending on the brand and style, a 30DD was also a good fit. I'm stunned. It never dawned on me that I might need a bigger cup. I'm not what you'd call well endowed. I'm a 10/12 in clothes. I suspect you are around the same size as me.

Listen to statistically. She knows what she's talking about :-)

monkeysmama Mon 13-Jan-14 13:02:03

Inspired by all these threads (and my discomfort) I went to Leia on Friday and got properly measured. I went from the 36E M&S sold me to 30G. The difference is unbelievable and I look like I've lost lbs.

fedupandfifty Mon 13-Jan-14 13:18:04

Pardon my stupidity, but does the length of the band equate to the size ie if you measure 34 inches under your boobs, you are a 34?

And how do you account for the stretchiness of the band?

The unstretched band won't measure 34 so the stretch is build in. So eg I measure 30, wear a 30 but if I measured the band on my bra without stretching it would measure less-mine tend to be around 27.

Have a look at the blog for measuring instructions

sweetheart Mon 13-Jan-14 15:15:01

Is this one or this one any good?

fedupandfifty Mon 13-Jan-14 15:25:11

Thanks. I now have on the unwired bra I bought gjis morning. It's 36b, the size I thought I was. It's ok round the back and is in middle(ie not riding up).

However it is not right otherwise. I can put my hand in the space between my boobs as the band is not lying flat. My boobs are fully encased by the fabric but still rolling over the band .

Generally quite uncomfortable.

Hebburnisaplaceonearth Mon 13-Jan-14 15:47:28

Have you measured yet? What about Something likethis?

burnishedsilver Mon 13-Jan-14 15:48:03

Exchange it for a 32Ď and see what happens.

It sounds awful. Please measure it will make it much easier to help you

fedupandfifty Mon 13-Jan-14 16:17:16

Love those triangles! I think the other one would give more support, though. Better go shopping for a 32 d !

Thanks again, all.

dont buy the 32D without measuring yourself first as that may not be your size at all.

HazeltheMcWitch Mon 13-Jan-14 16:28:43

Fedup - listen to Sorrel and Statistically - they know of what they speak! Do honestly measure as per links, and brave Bravissimo for fitting or measuring. And maybe look at some of the bra intervention threads to see other posters' Eureka moments.

I was in a 34b. I am now a 28f or 30e dép on brand. shock grin I finally braved Bravissimo over Xmas... I first posted my measurements in error September. It took me that long to build up the bottle as I was sure I'd be laughed out of the store as I'm really not what you'd call blessed in the norkal department!

Anyway they were lovely. No one laughed. I bought bras. Back at work last week I was asked if I'd lost weight, 'done something' ie had implants. Er no and no. All down to my new bras.

'Scuse the essay but I am a bit happy about the difference it's made. No more back fat, no more side fat...

HazeltheMcWitch Mon 13-Jan-14 16:30:02

New bras have not improved my typing alas. I did not post my stats in error, just in September.

CMOTDibbler Mon 13-Jan-14 16:31:55

I'm like Hazel - always thought I wasn't blessed with norks. Sorrel and Statistically got me to change the 34b for a 30ff, and I felt like a fraud walking into Bravissimo.

I look fab, and no more strap slipping either!

HazeltheMcWitch Mon 13-Jan-14 16:45:49

Omg the strap slipping! I thought I just had oddly small shoulders! I mean they are small but they can now cope with bra strap so no more rummaging required.

Fedupandfifty, don't jump to a 32D as there is a pretty good chance that's the wrong size. It's a total guess.

fedupandfifty Mon 13-Jan-14 18:11:28

Can't believe thread is still going. I'm getting a bit carried away now. Will definitely go for fitting before committing.

Just one other thing: I compared another bra I bought in Peacocks(34b) against my 36b one (by laying them both out on the bed) and there's about 4 inches' difference in the length of band!

Just remarking. Something not quite right there..

MadBusLady Mon 13-Jan-14 18:13:23

Don't go for a fitting! If you go anywhere other than Bravissimo they will probably do it completely wrong. Just use these guidelines and tell us your measurements and we can suggest sizes:

fitting guidelines

why did you buy a smaller (relative) cup size? A 34B will be smaller in the cup than a 36B. If the cup was ok in the 36B then when you downsize the back you need to go up in the cup size to get the same volume of cup e.g. 36B has the same cup volume as 34C, 32D, 30DD, 28E, etc, etc

Bras can be pretty inconsistent between brands, and it could also be that the fabrics have different degrees of stretch.

Genuinely, it sounds like you are probably trying bras that are miles away from your true size. As MadBus says, if you want a fitting go to bravissimo, or John Lewis at a push. Almost everywhere else gets it badly wrong...and that most definitely includes big names like M&S

fedupandfifty Mon 13-Jan-14 19:16:43

I love I'm just a bit thick. Must be, because until now I truly did not realise that cup sizes are not the same. I went from a 34b to a 36b because I honestly thought that, as I had put on a bit of weight, that a 36 would be bigger in the back whilst nork size remained the same. I did not realise that a b in a 34 would require a different cup size in a bigger bra.

Fifty four years on this planet, in the wrong bra!

You're not thick - most people don't know how bras work really. It doesn't help that you have shops like M&S getting it very wrong (I'm a 30HH, they put me in a 36f!) and the papers publishing utter nonsense about celeb bra sizes.

This website is quite good for showing what real bra sizes look like - this explains about 'sister sizes' and has images of the same cup sizes on different band sizes

fedupandfifty Tue 14-Jan-14 11:03:36

Thanks so much. I think at last I'm beginning to get it. I need a more supportive band! I thought that the support came from the cup, and that the bigger the cup, the more support there would be.

Can't believe Marksies gets it so wrong, though. No wonder they're losing money..

They're properly useless

HazleNutt Tue 14-Jan-14 12:07:18

Based on the bra threads, 99,9% of 34-36 A-B wearers are in the wrong size. Thanks to M&S and 99,9% online bra size calculators.
(a friend just told me - she lost some weight, so re-measured herself and tried some of those calculators. According to them, she should be about 38A. She's 32FF).

Ladyface Tue 14-Jan-14 12:11:09

Try Triumph soft sensation, not the most glamourous of bras but may be what you are looking for.

SparklingMuppet Tue 14-Jan-14 12:25:47

So have you actually measured yourself yet Fedup? Please do and put them here, Statistically and Sorrel really, really do know what they're talking about, you do not need to go to M&S or anywhere else for that matter.

fedupandfifty Tue 14-Jan-14 14:32:20

Yes*sparkling*. I'm 30 underneath norks and 36 around them. That's with clothes, though.

HazleNutt Tue 14-Jan-14 14:52:53

clothes off would be better, but honestly, no wonder you're looking for a comfortable bra, those 36B's must be horrible to wear.
You need at least 30E, but possibly bigger cup, as if you measured with that 36B on then it's unlikely you would get an accurate measurement there.

Or do you have Bravissimo near you? They will sort you out.

Yup agree with Hazle do the dangling over measure

fedupandfifty Tue 14-Jan-14 15:03:35

I'll get to Bravissimo and/ or dangle as instructed!

HesterShaw Tue 14-Jan-14 15:03:46

This OP?

I just bought this in size 30D. Very comfortable. Wires were upsetting me!

fedupandfifty Tue 14-Jan-14 15:08:03

How do you lot know all this?

HesterShaw Tue 14-Jan-14 15:20:05

Because of Sorrel and Statistically!! They have legendary status on MN. They are The Bra Ladies. I was in a 34A for years, bra riding up over my boobs, straps falling down etc. I've now replaced the lot, and the new ones are all 30C or Ds.

Chopsypie Tue 14-Jan-14 16:09:39

Same here. I was in very uncomfortable 38d.
I'm now feeling and looking much better in a 34/36 FF!

Please measure, and take their advice. I promise you'll feel like a new woman!

AgathaF Tue 14-Jan-14 20:30:49

Same here - gone down 2 back sizes and up 3 cup sizes. Your new bras will feel and look fab!

Kleptronic Tue 14-Jan-14 20:40:42

Me too. Was wearing 36B, had strap slippage, double boobs, aching norks, band never sat on chest.

Bra Ladies intervention: 34DD, never been so comfy. I still am brainwashed though, I still can't quite believe I'm a DD. It's the sideboobs <nods sagely>

Listen to the Bra Ladies! grin

fedupandfifty Mon 20-Jan-14 07:10:10

Thanks all. I am now the proud owner of a lifted, shaped set of bristols encased in a 32dd Marksies job. Down 2 back sizes, up a couple of cup sizes.

SorrelForbes Mon 20-Jan-14 09:17:44

Excellent news indeed. Remember to keep scooping and don't be surprised if you need to go up another cup over the next few months as the breast tissue migrates back to its proper location.

fedupandfifty Mon 20-Jan-14 13:33:09

Thanks sorrel. I perhaps should have gone up a cup size, but 'twill do for now!

Still don't get why the shops are chock full of b and c cups.

HazleNutt Mon 20-Jan-14 14:23:37

because of most "bra fitters" and online bra calculators using the outdated add +4/5 inches method.

enormouse Mon 20-Jan-14 20:22:29

Just wondering - why do some shops still use that method? And why don't they cater more for the small of back (I'm currently a 28E)

MadBusLady Mon 20-Jan-14 20:36:32

It's like taking the red pill in The Matrix isn't it. I wear a 30FF now, can't believe I used to wear a 34B when much thinner shock

HazleNutt Mon 20-Jan-14 20:53:27

I don't know why they still do that. During the first bra intervention threads here several people wrote, facebooked and tweeter M&S (and some others) - the reply as I remember was that "we offer an excellent service!"

So true Hazlenutt. Don't forget the second level answer when we took to secret shopping them

"this is an isolated incident, can you please identify the store/completely innocent but badly trained fitter so we can scapegoat them"

Mandy2003 Mon 20-Jan-14 21:13:03

Oh yes it does exist - I am a 36b and found some on ebay. Have bought 3 or 4 now, when i am on the PC tomorrow I will try and post details.

HazleNutt Mon 20-Jan-14 21:23:39

mandy, OP has since discovered that she is not really 36B, but 32DD.

SorrelForbes Mon 20-Jan-14 21:42:14

Mandy2003 I suspect that you might not be a 3-1 either.

SorrelForbes Mon 20-Jan-14 21:43:30


ihatethecold Mon 20-Jan-14 22:18:45

I really have given up with proper bras.
I find them so uncomfortable. I now wear a crop top. Not ideal I know but comfy.
I did buy a r + p bra last year. It was comfy but has stretched quite a bit so not great to wear now.
My measurements are 33 tight. 34 better. Under boob.
When I lean forwards the size is 40/41.

Any advice.
Please don't say 32 band. I can't stand how tight it is.

OPeaches Mon 20-Jan-14 22:33:55

34E or F?

<Waves> grin


<stat runs across the thread, picks married up and twirls her around>

SorrelForbes Mon 20-Jan-14 23:38:48

Hey married happy new year grin

ihatethecold Tue 21-Jan-14 07:25:43

Thanks opeaches.
Will look at that size.
My r and p bra was 34e.
It did stretch pretty quickly though

SparklingMuppet Tue 21-Jan-14 08:13:11

Ihate on a 32 band you'll need to be trying FF, G and possibly GG cups to ensure that the cups aren't stealing space from the band, E and single F won't cut it.

SorrelForbes Tue 21-Jan-14 09:51:31

Yep, try a 32FF/G and a 34F/FF

ihatethecold Tue 21-Jan-14 10:20:03

Will do. Thanks.

Mandy2003 Tue 21-Jan-14 11:59:26

Sorry, phone skipped the page where OP had found her true size! Anyway, this is my ultimate favourite bra, I refuse to wear wired. Looks like stocks have run out from this supplier though...

My bone of contention is that it is virtually impossible to buy a non-wired bra in Primark. Occasionally they have some cotton ones, but only ever in white never black.

OK interventionists, my measurements are 36 underbust, 43 when flopped forward! I can't fill any cup size bigger than a B, I'm certain (although it's been about 6 years since I tried anything different during my fruitless summer search for a black cotton bra!)

SparklingMuppet Tue 21-Jan-14 16:11:41

Oh you are so not a B cup! Try 36F as a starting point! I'd try 36F & FF and possibly a 34FF & G. Depends on whether you are somewhat squishy of torso (like me!) or have a bony-er rib cage. If squishy you might find the 34's better.

Mandy2003 Tue 21-Jan-14 19:19:09

Lordy!! Thanks Sparkling - I am chubby of front and back squishy so I will take your advice. I can hold up my head with pride in Primark now smile However I'm certain I don't have 4 booby-ness and my gore does lie flat (well, it's where I keep my cleavage tbh). But even at my advanced age and having BF 1 DC I still pass the pencil test - cannot grip anything under a boob at all.

I'm certain I will be posting a pic of all the empty space in an F or FF. But as I must have been an adherent of the "Add 4 or 5 inches before you begin" school of bra fitting I may have a lot to learn!

HazleNutt Tue 21-Jan-14 19:32:35

your bra tissue is probably all over the place due to non-wired bras, you have to scoop and pull it back to where it belongs.

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