The winter colours thread part 2...(1000 Posts)
Are you a winter colouring? If so come and join us for chat about clothes/make up following on from here.
I've been eyeing up this red Hush cardi since I first saw it in the catalogue. I'm not a cardi person normally but for some reason I've wanted a fluffy bright red one for ages. It's got £10 off atm... If it's the really bright red that it seems on the model in the first two pictures it would be ideal, but I bet it's darker irl.
[gingerly joins after analysis as winter jewel yesterday]
Hello [shy smile]
I've got a question. So my analysis totally surprised me, making me a winter jewel, and I have to always question "is it bright enough", apparently. Now, I'm pleased with the colour palette I've got, and 2 of my wow colours are shades of grey, which is fantastic. But some of the brighter colours (sorry don't have my swatch to hand, and can't remember names, but fuschia was one, a bright red, a bright blue, maybe a green), although lovely, is quite a massive leap from my comfort zone.
Have any of you kept your wow colours as more accents while maintaining a neutral base? Do you think that kind of wastes the analysis?
I'm a jewel winter too and have been easing my way into it.
I think it is fine to accent with your brighter colours and wear more of your less scary colours. It's not wrong as such, just not necessarily your maximum best!
I have recently bought a royal blue sweater and a bright fushia one. I was looking at them in the shop and knew that normally I would just go for the grey or black. I didn't particularly want to buy the bright ones but decided I may a swell try them on. As soon as I did it was like my face changed and I could really see how much more flattering they were.
It took a while for me to have that eureka moment and it is true that you get more comments when wearing the right colours near your face.
So by all means ease yourself into it, and just think more about what not to buy and try the odd brighter thing. I have not yet plucked up the courage to wear red! But have tried most of my other bright colours.
Hi Carrie - its fine to use bright colours as accents. I find scarves really handy for brightening up a neutral outfit (I wear a lot of grey, navy and black).
Nice cardigan - have you seen this? they have other stuff that I have my eye on so will be taking DH with me to buy my christmas presents
Hi carrie. I think it's totally fine to maintain a neutral base and experiment with introducing the brighter colours slowly - especially as you have two greys as your 'wow' shades. I think like Sunny says, try on a few colours here and there that you wouldn't normally try, rather than gravitating to your usual safe colours. This will help you learn to identify winter colours too. I had my colours done 18 months ago and am still getting it wrong sometimes - e.g. with blues, I often need to put one blue against another to see whether it's bright enough, otherwise I just can't see whether it's too muted or not. And I read somewhere that it takes about 3 years to totally transform your wardrobe and get completely comfortable with your colours.
I think a lot of people are put off the whole colours business when they are told they are a certain season and decide right, everything they wore before was wrong and they need to only wear pastels, or brights, or whatever. You need to give your self-image time to adjust and time to really 'see' yourself in your colours. I still haven't relinquished my favourite tan bag or brown winter boots, so I'm not quite there yet, but when they die I'm going full winter ;)
Hi, I've been AWOL I was formerly peasypeeler but got a bit lost!
I'm a Sultry Winter and struggling to not go back to being an autumn which I thought I was originally.
I can't get my make-up right, I see warm colouring when it's actually meant to be cool
I would never have discovered how good I look in charcoal though so I know I must be a winter!
MissScatterbrain am I being thick? I can't see the zip detail on that jumper! Lovely colours and shape - it's 58% nylon though, which is a bit for £69 imo.
I think some sultry winters tend to be neutral when it comes to foundation.
I don't wear foundation so don't have a problem with make up - eyes and lips are much easier.
Hi 50hoo - maybe we can help?
The zips are on the side. I know what you mean about the price - the wine colour is perfect though.
Hello all! Thanks so much, Queen.
I am slowly easing myself into the shock image change that comes from being diagnosed as a winter. Take it easy - it is a lifelong habit that will take some development.
I'm wondering about lipsticks - I seem to remember needing to wear fuschia with some colours, burgundy with others and something else again with soemthing else. Can you tell I didn't write it down? Am I supposed to wear anything in particular with purples?
Thanks Elizabeth not sure what I'm doing really.
I have dark eyes, brown hair and a pale complexion but it's also olive. My neck is several shades lighter and I have a bit of pigmentation on my cheeks.
I've always veered towards yellow-based foundation as I can't see any pink in my skin at all - well, other than redness when it's sensitive.
My HoC lipsticks are carmine red, damson and burgundy wine shimmer and they're SO bright and heavily pigmented. I'm used to wearing a Bobbi Brown nude so it's quite a departure!
Eye-wise I don't wear eyeshadow, it's really about getting the blush and lippie right.
I've bought Clarins Soft Berry and I love it but it's not very bright.
I'd be scared if my blush had to be blue-based. I'm taking it all a bit too seriously and over-thinking it no doubt!
[sidles into thread]
have also been recently 'diagnosed' as a winter. Had a sort out of my wardrobe today and now left with a sea of black and navy so trying to inject some colour. I'm struggling a bit to be honest, feel a bit overwhelmed, as though it's cut down my shopping opportunities - i find it hard enough to find clothes that suit me and my big ass and boobs without adding another layer of complexity. Does it get easier?
I've had a look on ASOS today and this i've found some things, not sure if they are quite right though. If anyone has any time, it would be great to get some guidance.
this jumper looks a bit like number 11 on my swatches
Forest green jumper, not sure about this colour, could it be too warm?
i love this but i guess the trim makes it a no.
love this dress but a bit spendy.
love this blue dress
I wonder if its easier to focus on one or two things at a time for make up. I remember using tan blusher and warm toned foundation because wearing the wrong colours meant I needed help to look better. I don't wear either now because I wear such a strong lipstick (red/burgundy) and quite a bit of eye make up (mainly greys/blacks) and I look so much better that I don't need more make up.
Hi, I'll rejoin you, I love the inspiration from these threads. I was diagnosed a Sultry Winter last month. I now love my bright lipsticks, have had my highlighted bobbed hair chopped short and dyed darker and am trying to choose clothes with colour.
One problem I have is that most coloured things are jumpers! I don't want to only wear jeans and jumpers. So any recommendations for dresses, skirts, shirts etc would be fab.
50hoo I think like MissS said, lots of sultry winters need neutral foundation. Look at this - the skin colours described aren't pink-based at all, they are what most make up artists would call yellow-based or warm. What foundations have you been trying? I know Estee Lauder, YSL and Mac all do 'neutral' tones as well as yellow-based and pink-based. IMO what you need is a foundation that matches your skin exactly - doesn't matter whether it's pink/yellow/neutral/warm/cool - just go by how it looks on your skin.
Your blush doesn't need to be obviously blue-based, just make sure it's not peach or gold or browny. Go for pinks or reds.
And don't bother with bright, heavily pigmented lipsticks if you don't like them - the Clarins soft berry sounds lovely.
If anyone disagrees with what I've said I won't be offended, this is just my guesses!
Looking at the links - the denim dress is probably the best of the lot in terms of winter colours. The first blue top is a possibility but its hard to tell online as some blues and greens come out differently. The green top looks spring and has brown patches. The jacket has a coral trim - it will clash with your make up and wardrobe. Purple jacket looks muted - it needs to be a proper royal purple.
I would go to a dept store and have a look around to see what catches your eye and compare with your wallet.
Ooh cross post with Betty. Would you say the last Asos dress in purple is a sultry winter?
Totally agree about the eyes and lips too. I've gone to a powder foundation purely to even skin tone rather than colour, it seems to work and make my eyes really stand out.
Thanks All, yes I suppose an ease in gently is no bad thing. The thing is I've spent years avoiding black and fuschia as I thought they clashed with my (chestnutty) hair or were too severe, so it's quite a sea change. Grey is awesome though, and have quite a lot of the right colours already, so will go forth and bling myself up with the jewels .
Eliz - I agree with your point about lipsticks, you need to feel right about wearing these and if you have never worn these, balms/sheers are ideal.
Good advice miss I think I should maybe look at eyeshadow as that might calm down the lipstick. My lipstick is wearing me I think!
Elizabeth thanks! I'll look at pinks instead of peaches for blush. I usually wear bronzer so you can see what a pickle I'm in!
I'm currently using Clinique's Cream Chamois compact foundation described as very fair but on the gold side. It really blends in well. I also use Clarins Skin Illusion in Sand.
I love this charcoal Laura Ashley cardigan. It's smart enough as a jacket
Would look great with a bright accent colour underneath?
If you mean this in purple it looks magenta rather than purple. Great if its your best colour.
Puffle - re getting away from jeans and jumpers, I tend to wear cord/moleskin skirts with tights, boots and use brightly coloured layering tops. I also have a every day shift dress in black and wear brightly coloured long sleeved tops underneath. All were bought during the past few years from Gap, Boden and M&S.
50hoo stay away from the bronzer! I know you know this already - but the great thing about Winters is the striking contrasts between our hair, eyes and skin (how modest am I?) and bronzer/autumnal colours in general mutes this contrast right down and makes us look dull. I thought I had dull colouring for years (no warmth, very pale, dull brown hair etc.) so finding out I'm a winter and have the high contrast colouring of someone like Anne Hathaway in my best colours was a lovely shock!
50 - the cardigan should look great with one of the jewel colours.
Thanks scatterbrain, really appreciate it, it's hard getting the hang of this.
Interesting you ask that about the purple Pufflemum, i looked at it and closed it because i thought it was too bright for me to carry off. sigh this is going to take some getting used to!
I am loving the make-up side though, my hair is now a cooler brown rather than the warm brown i've been having for years and i'm slowly getting getting into the lipsticks with the aid of lots of clear gloss to tone things down a bit. Went out the first time with my HOC pink lippy on last week and had three compliments from friends saying how well i looked.
Betty I love that Whistles jumper. Isn't number 11 the electric blue, or am I remembering that wrong? It's not bright enough to be electric blue - you could try it but from what I know of Whistles blues they tend to be a bit dull for us. Still might be worth trying.
Echo what Eliz says about bronzer - as I said upthread, I went wrong by using tan blushers and warm foundations.
Elizabeth I think for me 'shock' is the right word! I promise to ditch the bronzer - it makes me look muddy. Does this look ok? Bought it at the weekend so hope so!
miss I think it's the contrast thing I'm struggling with. I'm trying to blend into the background
betty sounds like you have the make-up sorted! Great to be complimented!
50ho i was so surprised, i NEVER get compliments!
I have spent years in browns, corals,peaches...all wrong. Now that I've discovered pinky lipsticks and grey eyeshadow I finally understand why other women wear makeup.
Can I do grey eyeshadow with dark brown eyes face? I always stuck to browns and greens <autumn brainwashing at play>
50hoo I think you can work the high contrast look without standing out in a major way or looking 'bright' - think of the classic French look - someone like Audrey Tautou. Dark dark eyes and hair, pale beige skin, and dressed very subtly in navy, black, white and grey. It's still a high contrast, winter look.
I have dark brown eyes and wear charcoal and dark grey eye makeup (and black).
What a great idea Elizabeth I really like her look, will have a rethink
So just to check I'm understanding, This would not be good because of the cream coloured collar and it being so close to the face?
betty yep, that sandy-cream really dominates and tones down the blue. If the collar were white it would be ok I think.
Yep betty, the collar is almost warm beige, one of our worst colours. Tis lovely though. I get so annoyed with how the default accent/nude colour on most clothes tends to be cream and never white!
(Thread #2 has got off to a flying start )
Eliz - I was just thinking that too
Perfect make up examples MissS, good work!
Do you know what? I'm slightly jealous that there are no HOC consultants on MN who are Winters who can join in with our thread. They would tell us when we are being wrong! The autumns and summers have Travellin and Hopefully
50hoo re. your new Clarins blush, your link doesn't show us which colour you bought.
I bought 'lovely rose' the fairest one. It's a barely there colour, my pigmentation makes me a bit muddy looking so I usually avoid blusher but I've binned my bronzer now
Ah ok, I thought it probably was! It's a nice cool pink - I bet you could take brighter but it's a good one to start with.
I bought this charcoal knitted dress from TKMaxx
Not sure why it looks like there are white splodges on the bust - it's really dark grey.
IMHO the belt looks really cheap so would like a wider one. Any ideas where from? I don't own any belts at all
£125 off Bargain! It's lovely, I like how dark the charcoal is. I tend to get my belts from ASOS, they usually have a good range, and the real leather ASOS own brand ones are good quality.
It's a gorgeous dress Elizabeth looks very flattering on. Thanks for the belt tip.
Here's my wardrobe in all its glory. It doesn't have much left since I culled my autumnal colours
That dress is stunning 50hoo, what will you wear it with?
I'm still trawling online to find inspiration. I'm thinking of going to Westfield on Friday to find some bits. Are there any shops that are particularly good for winters at the minute?
betty I'm not really sure! Was thinking boring black opaques and black calf-length boots. I'd like a thicker red belt to lift it. My usual style is to wear a cardigan over everything so I will feel a bit exposed!! jacket would be good but I don't have one. I've chucked out most of my clothes!
Do you or fellow winters have any ideas? I'd be really open to suggestions as I'm pretty useless at style stuff
betty as for shops - Phase 8 has lots of dark green stuff and East has lots of burgundy/damson. Laura Ashley has a fab dark green boiled wool jacket and a burgundy one too. John Lewis have a great v neck cashmere cobalt blue jumper. Pink is everywhere!
I'm also a cardigan girl! Need to get myself out of the rut though. Trying to get my head around blazers but they feel too formal for me.
Thanks for the tips, going to have a look now.
TK Maxx and Uniqlo are great for cardigans.
That charcoal dress is lovely
Sorry to keep posting links but what do you think of this? The collar looks quite a cool Purple but the burgundy might be a bit too warm?
Not loving that betty it seems a bit muted maybe? The purple looks ok but the rest is a bit dumbed down.
That statement seems to be weird since I can wear charcoal and charcoal isn't bright
No wonder we're struggling!!
and please DO keep posting links! That way we all learn
Isn't that a dark bitter choc brown as well as burgundy & magenta?
I think the blue/turq and black one would be a better choice.
This is a good one -damson boucle cardi
My goodness me. You're on p3 already . I've got some catching up to do!!
Phew, I've finally caught up . Welcome to the newbies.
carrie I often wear a colour with a neutral. I pretty much always wear a black/ white/grey/navy blouse or tee with a coloured cardi and jeans. A lot of my cardis used to be muted colours as I always thought I was a summer (blonde, blue eyed) and I didn't really like bright colours. But just by now wearing a fuschia or cobalt cardi makes such a difference. I will often add in a contrasting belt too to do the "add a third colour and watch the magic" or whatever the booklet says! I've tried wearing 2 bright colours eg bright cardi and bright top but it just doesn't feel like me and I feel much happier in a neutral.
I do sometimes wear jumpers too and have the powerful blue turtleneck from gap which looks fab. I have a pink one from uniqlo but it's probably not bright enough. It looks fine but not wow. I often find when I try stuff on in a shop it looks totally different when you get it home in natural daylight. Because I bought it on a day trip to London I couldn't return it but if I'd bought it locally I probably would have done.
Make up wise, I've embraced the bright lips as fuschia especially makes my eyes pop. But in the day I do time it down with balm otherwise I'd feel too overdone in the school run. I don't wear foundation anyway and have stuck to my old
9 years old to be precise blusher but I'm fairly neutral toned.
The things that confuse me is the whole contrast thing that elizabeth talks about. I know it's meant to be a winter thing but I just don't see it on me. I'm pale but no Snow White and I have blonde hair and blue eyes, neither of which are particularly striking so I just don't seem to have that typical contrast .
The other thing I find difficult is knowing when a colour really is a winter one. I went shopping with an autumn and we both had our swatches and when we found a blue cardi which I thought was a good match for lagoon blue, it all seemed a good match for one of her blues. The same with a purple thing we found.
I had a moment of is this all a load of b******* . I guess the best thing is just to try things on and see whether it makes you look fabulous or not.
Sorry, that was a really epic post and probably not helpful at all
This is the [http://www.pinterest.com/pin/427349452112289455/ pink jumper] I was talking about. Any thoughts?
I know that we had some style talk on the old thread. This was linked from HOC which I thought might be useful style
This was also on the hoc facebook page
Winters have you tried our fab new Purple Splash lipstick L200 yet? Make a statement & wear with Royal Purple or Lobelia or dab a little on your lips and finish with High Shine Lip Gloss for a more subtle look. Available to buy now www.houseofcolour.co.uk/hocshop/pages/winter_lips.php
How scary does that look?
Re the pink jumper - that looks like magenta? I think if you wear it with another winter colour that might help? Maybe a wow pink scarf?
As having similar colours in other seasons this link may explains it?
at the purple lippy - I need to see a photo of someone wearing it!!
Wow, we've all gone winter crackers in the last 24 hours, I can't keep up!
I am another sultry winter who is part of the neutral skin rather than cool skin, brigade. I have always thought I have pale olive skin, rather than yellow toned. Foundations that suit me are
-Make Up For Ever HD foundation 117
-Make Up For Ever face and body 20
-Bourjuis Healthy Mix 51
-Bare Minerals Fairy Lught
-Estee Lauder Double Wear ecru (although a bit peachy)
-Dior shades ending in a 1 have a neutral undertone too
-Revlon Colorstay Buff
Some ranges are just far too orange or yellow based for me though, I am looking at you Bobbi Brown.
I am somewhat of a spending hiatus at the moment. I might keep an eye out for a coat in the sales, but I am trying to lose some weight (who isn't?) and with Christmas coming up, need to be more frugal. Keep the chat coming though!
Queen, I used the example of hair colour v skin colour as contrast cos that's the most common one in winters, but the contrast can be elsewhere too. Perhaps your hair and eyes are very bright, or even just the whites of your eyes - a lot of very dark skinned people are winters because of the contrast between their teeth and the whites of their eyes.
My mum has bright blue eyes and used to have my hair colour but now it's bright silver - she still looks best in winter colours because there's still that brightness there, even though there's not as much contrast between her skin and hair.
I think the contrast factor is important because it's the reason we look dull in muted colours. We need vivid colours or there is a fight going on between our contrasting features, so they fall flat. Whereas someone without high contrast like an autumn will look glowy and unified in muted colours.
Am I making any sense?!
Queen - what colour are your eyebrows and lashes? these may be providing contrast as well as your other features.
I guess you've seen this post on blonde winters? I do agree it's hard to see the contrasts but it does become more obvious when she's in the right colours, to me. There's an iciness to blonde winters that I think is really cool... There's a platinum blonde woman where I work who wears deep wintery reds and looks stunning and ice queenish.
eliz I've pm'd you. I'm definitely a winter as I could see it clearly when I was draped but still don't see where my contrast is. Ny thoughts?
I jumped in at the end of the last thread having recently been 'done' and diagnosed as a Jewell Winter. If I'm not careful I'm going to end up with a wardrobe full of red tops!
Can anyone recommend a cream blusher? The Chanel ones are nice but the assistant was steering me towards shade 63 (much pinker off-line) and said that 64 and 65 would be too bright.
eliz I just got totally wrapped up in that link. I hadn't seen it before but after reading it and some if the other stuff about bright winters it all makes a lot more sense! Thanks for linking
I'm a bit confused about the different types of winters! I had my colours one a few years ago and was assessed as a cool deep. How does this equate to winter? Does anyone know?
I suit fuschia, purple, navy, cobalt blue...
Rosie - was that with Colour Me Beautiful?
At HoC, they rate each colour in your season - from double starred (wow) to single ticks and also percentages, from 100% (full outfit) to 25% (accessories only). The type you are depends on your double starred colours.
Most winters can wear the majority of the colours in their palette but many of us find the rating system useful e,g I can't wear a lot of hot pink but look great if I add a scarf in that colour. You may need to experiment with your colours to see which ones are your best ones
Thanks for the finding style link queen, have you had a style day? Is it worth it?
The video was really interesting and I just couldn't place myself in any of the sections.
Queen yes, thank you for that link! Now I know I'm definitely not an ingenue.
I found another video by that same woman which has the full colour wheel in it. I find the full colour wheel really useful when I'm looking at a particular colour - I can think to myself, 'Wait, I think that is more of a summer colour' or 'Nope, definitely fits with the autumn section'. It can be quite hard to tell what is 'bright' enough or 'clear' enough except in comparison to other seasons.
I quite wish they would give us the whole colour wheel as part of the analysis, to make it easier to tell, but having it available on this video is helpful in part.
I haven't looked at the colour wheel links yet but they sound very useful. I also still find it hard to identify winter colours. I think the swatches we are given are too small! If we could have a collection of the scarves it would be much easier... The other day I was trying to work out if a blue jumper I have is a winter blue. I put it against the electric blue and royal blue swatches, and decided it was close enough to both to be wintery. But then I got out my cobalt blue jumper and next to that, the other jumper looked really grey and muted I think it's just practice. The differences between each season's shades, especially the blues, pinks and greens, are quite subtle sometimes so it's not surprising they're hard to see.
RosieLig, There's a description of deep, cool winters here - I think it's using an american system so maybe not the same as CMB, but if you fit this description then you're probably a sultry winter in HOC terms.
Interesting link but my colouring is quite different from the description. I am nowhere near being olive skinned! This is why using online diagnosis sites can be a minefield.
As for being able identify colours, it does take time (I was diagnosed several years ago and my job in design helps).
Are you talking about my link MissS? My skin's nowhere near olive either, but I think it would count as light (very light) cool beige. It's not very pink like a lot of very pale English/Irish skin types, and can look yellow in the wrong colours. So I'm not the sultryest of sultry winters
When you say olive, you automatically think darker skin tones. I am a pale olive, so not cool but not quiet warm either. We struggle to get good foundation shade matches
Agree with that Kosher! I'm using YSL touche eclat in BR (beige rose) 20 at the moment. It's a smidgen too pale, but the next darker shade was far too cool and looked grey/pink on my skin. OTOH their 'beige dore' shades are far too yellow. Very pale + neutral toned doesn't seem to figure in the cosmetics industry
Yep. Makeup either has pink or yellow undertones. Very few manufacturers do neutral and if they do, it often has a peach undertone (such as Estée Lauder). I have tried the YSL TE and it didn't suit my skin.
Hmm...I am pale, don't tan easily, don't have brown/hazel eyes. I think the best way to describe my colouring is Celtic/Irish. I look sallow in the wrong colours though.
I'm finding it hard to identify myself as a winter - to me it's someone with clear blue or deep brown eyes - like Nigella, or Courtney Cox. I've got muddy green eyes, freckly skin on my face. I really feel the need to see real people (with my colouring or similar) wearing winter stuff to be inspired. Am currently trawling the internet looking for images, which is all good.
Anyway, so I thought I'd see what Kate Moss favours, and did a quick search on Pinterest. Lots of black (of course), but also bright whites, greys, the odd bright red etc. Could she also be a winter...?
And also, what would the professionals on this threads do with this: leather jacket
I only bought it this year as an investment piece, I LOVE it and want to wear it forever, but I wonder if it's just too brown? (I think it was described as grey, but I don't think there's any denying it's warm not cool).
I'm using No7 Lift and Luminate foundation in Cool Ivory which seems to work well.
I'm looking for a charcoal grey handbag. Something slouchy with one strap and under £150.
I wouldn't have thought Kate Moss was a winter, she always looks honey blonde with warm skin to me - but it's impossible to tell as I'm sure she can look any way she likes by changing her hair colour and make up.
It does sound like we all look completely different doesn't it?! MissS, I've forgotten, are you a sultry winter with dark hair? I don't tan at all, ever, I burn in 5 seconds, and I get freckles in the summer. I'm not quite Celtic skinned though - my mum is (she's a winter with Courtney Cox-esque colouring) but I have some of my dad's eastern european sallowness.
Carrie that's a gorgeous jacket. If it's a greyish brown I'd still wear it, personally, but would add a big scarf in one of my best colours.
Actually, just browsing through my 2013 purchases board, and it's not too heinous. A bit of khaki and coral that should be disregarded, but loads of greys. I guess just need to start injecting some (of the right) colours.
Sorrel, I don't think this would be dark enough, but I think it's a lovely shape (very AH esque). I also love it in green.
I went to Gap this lunch time. Didn't buy anything as I don't really neeed anything but they had:
A gorgeous grey/fuchsia (almost hot pink) striped boat neck jumper
A thick, fluffy cobalt blue v-neck jumper
An emerald crew neck jumper
A shirt dress that comes in bright navy and light emerald
And it's 30% off all jumpers at the moment!
Agree Kate Moss does not look like a winter, too soft I think.
Yes, I am a sultry winter with dark hair I get freckled in summer too.
Queen - Gap's emerald cardigan
Link to the fluffy v neck - it comes in fuchsia too (would people call that fuchsia? Or is it hot pink or something else? Lovely colour in the flesh, vivid without being neon)
Can't find links to the other things. They also had this navy/black stripe skirt, which is tempting me but looks a bit too short.
I saw that pink jumper last week -it did feel lovely.
Can I ask what you winters are doing about grey hair? My hair is naturally dark, and when I dye my hair (with a graphite toner in to keep it cool) I end up with a warm red tone to it within weeks. I've tried different brands, lower strength developer on my ends than to my roots and I still get the warmth. Obviously this is not winter friendly. I'm sorely tempted to go grey gracefully as it's only a dusting, but an not sure I am brave enough.
What do the rest of you do?
Have you tried Aveda Black Malva shampoo and conditioner Kosher? It gets rid of the red tones. I've mentioned it on MN about a bazillion times so apologies if I'm just repeating myself. I don't have any greys yet. Am 31 so I'm guessing they'll start to arrive soon and I'm hoping I won't mind them too much. I bet I will though
I'm interested in the Black Malva too Elizabeth as my hair is like kosher's Just had it done today and as I use Aveda colour conserve thought I'd figure in the Black Malva conditioner as a weekly hair mask.
Once you start dyeing brown hair as it greys the golden highlights come in - courtesy of the grey hairs where the colour is lighter.
Second the recommendation for Black Malva. I use it a couple of times a week - and as well as toning down the red, it helps keep the dye going for longer in between dye jobs.
Thanks for that miss will pick some up tomorrow
Thirding Black Malva - it's amazing stuff. use the shampoo everyday and then I use the conditioner every 3/4 days and leave it on for about 20mins. the conditioner seems to have more darkening properties iyswim.
I have black malva but it's not cutting the mustard at all. It doesn't condition that well and it's only a slight reduction in the red tones.
My hair has changed since having DS a year ago and my previous HG stuff isn't working. I used to love Kerastase ciment thermique, Biolage conditioning balm and now my hair looks dull whatever I try.
Does the shower end up splattered in brown shampoo spots? John Frieda do a brunette one as well - any takers?
<peers round the door> Is this the right place to come if I think I might be a Winter but really have no idea?
Mucky blonde hair (was very blonde as a child, loads darker since the DCs), pale skin under freckled face with red/high colour on cheeks. Blue-grey eyes. I would say def cool toned (ie blue veins not green).
Have also horribly lost my way with clothes, style, fashion, exercise, what I actually like, etc, since DC. Any help gratefully appreciated
Agree its not very conditioning Kosher. I alternate it with better conditioners and a weekly coconut oil mask. Also I use about twice as much as I would a normal conditioner and leave it on for 10 mins.
I too went to Gap today. I got a lovely scarf in red, black and fuschia, bizarrely I had a green jumper on and they actually looked good together! A month ago I would of sniggered at the thought of the combination. I also got the emerald jumper and treated myself to a Plum coloured Chanel mascara which I have been recommended.
Going to order the Aveda now as I have just returned to my natural dark brown colour after terrible highlights and don't want them to start coming through as the dye fades.
I forgot to ask, who had the Pinterest board of makeup for sultry winters?
Just popping in quickly before i go out.
sorrell I've just done extensive research into grey bags. For charcoal look at zara and mint velvet although they may not be dark enough. Sorry, no time to link.
That gap emerald cardi is the colour of the turtleneck which I bought but returned as the colour didn't seem quite right on me. It seems to match the swatch but didn't make me look fabulous which as one of my best colours it should.
carrie if you pm me your email address I'll send you a photo of me then you can see I'm not a typical winter either.
Catch up tomorrow.
Pufflemum that's exactly the reason I bought the aveda in the first place
50hoo the John Frieda one is nice but doesn't deposit any colour as far as I could tell. The aveda is dark purple so you get dark purple splashes in the bath ;) It comes off though.
Hi Issy, we won't be able to tell from a description. You dont sound like a typical winter but that doesn't mean you're not one. What colours do you feel great in? How are you in black, grey, cobalt blue, emerald, royal purple, fuchsia etc?
Queen re. your pink jumper, that pink works really well on me. Gap's powerful blue otoh is a bit too bright for me. So maybe the pink jumper is better on sultries? What size is it? Maybe I can swap you it for something!
Ooh, I have a size 10 forest green Hobbs cardi that I never wear (worn once), if you're interested?
I loved that Gap sweater in powerful blue but the cut was too aware and it looks a bit mumsy on me so sent it back.
I'm convinced I'm a winter but I'm going to take the plunge and book a HoC analysis session so I can join in with confidence
Having trouble with reds.
Do you think this red cowl neck jumper from Tesco is the right sort of red? It is possibly slightly darker than the picture. Saw it today and wasn't sure. It looked okay on, but I mainly want the practice recognising the right colours.
On my screen it looks like a true red Face, so not orange or blue-leaning , so any season could wear it. It's v nice, I love red
Hi QueenC [stalker alert] have seen your pics via Pinterest and MNV I think - you're right - not typical winter.
Issy apparently hair colour doesn't really come into it. I think for me the easiest way to "see" the difference, at least between warm and cool, if no then the individual seasons, is to hold up bright white vs cream against your face - cream makes me look more sallow, but bright white is a favourite. I found that the most obvious difference on myself.
MickleMe on the whole I think I was getting it right, but actually having the palette now means I can add to it in complementary shades, and (hopefully) not make any more mistakes. Ironically, I thought I was an autumn, but wasn't really buying autumn colours, so for me, I took the plunge to determine if I needed to start wearing browns and rusts etc (and gee myself up to work out how much of my wardrobe I'd have to dump!).
Just bought this Lancôme lippie in 'prune' - sounds vile LOL. It's actually quite sheer and I love it with my charcoal cardi
Bought the Black Malva too
carrie74 White is better on me than cream, so definitely cool.
ElizabethBathory How are those colours on me? Awful. I think I might be a summer. I'll close the door on my way out.
elizabeth thanks for the offer but I'm just not sure that the pink jumper has enough brightness or clarity for any winter. It's more muted and the more I look at it the more I think it's probably a summer colour. I'm going to take it to my style day and get my consultant to look at it. If it's wrong I may try and dye it a brighter pink.
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Ah ok Queen, it's impossible to tell exact shades on a screen isn't it!
Yes it is. But also I find real life shopping a nightmare as the lights in shops look so different. The jumper looked fine in the shop and seemed to match the swatch ok. I think maybe though as it's been worn and washed it's kind of become a bit hairy which somehow makes it look more muted iyswim .
I found that colour wheel video (by the lady who is definitely a winter!) really good. Seeing all the colours of all the seasons side by side makes it much more obvious than just having the winter swatches. My brain sometimes just sees 'bright blue' or 'purple' and translates it to a winter colour -but all the seasons have their purples and their bright blues and it's about identifying the exact shade, depth and clarity. It was also obvious how when she put a colour into its wrong season it immediately looked cheap and tired.
Tht video is excellent isn't it. My consultant taught me to hold clothes up to my swatches and see if it toned with them all or not rather than trying for exact matches. I could do with a summer swatch too as I think it's easy to stray into summer terroritry. I can usually tell ok whether something is warm or cool.
Tell me what purple nail varnishes you all have. I'm looking for something similar to the damson swatch but I find they are either too violet-y or too dark.
Purple nail polish - Barry M has a gorgeous one which is a deep purple and it looks smart (think its called vivid purple).
If you want a dark plum - Black Cherries by Rimmel is a good classic (similar to rouge noir).
Currently wearing Barry M's dusty mauve which comes out as a dark grey with a hint of purple. Great neutral colour and I love it
Thanks miss. I have black cherries but it's gone all gloopy so need to replace and would prefer something a bit brighter.
Is Chanel Provocation too dark? I have it and it's amazing. I'm currently wearing OPI Muir Muir on the wall, it's lovely and sparkly. Have a look at Alllacqueredups gallery on her blog, you'll surely find what you're after there.
I love that nail blog. I think I may waste future hours of my life on there
Barry M's red wine is more of a dark red...not quite burgundy so probably no good for you. The only polishes I have that are bright is a fuchsia that I used on holiday, again from Barry M. You will have guessed by now that I am fan of his polishes - cheap and these lasts 5-6 days and I love the colours.
If you ever want royal purple, butter London's HrH is like cadburys wrapping!
That sounds like my kind of colour
Any Romantic Naturals here? Basically is Dramatic/Romantic.
Also anyone come across any reasonably priced black leather hip belts please? X
carrie74 that's what i'm hoping really, it will be good to feel completely sure and then I can start investing in a wardrobe.
I'm now booked in for 1st Dec and feel excited and nervous, no idea why! I've been doing slimming world for the last 5 weeks and i'm now 1/2 a pound off 1 stone loss. I'm determined that this time next year I'll be looking as fabulous as I possibly can
I did a monster shopping browse yesterday and come away with 2 lippys (a bright pink and a red Maybelline 24hr jobby. My goodness, they have staying power!!), and 2 Ts from Gap, the super soft ones in pink and a bright blue.
Also considering the Gap merino jumper in green, grey cashmere, grey skinny cord leggings.
Then went to local premium denim place and tried on some Goldsign Misfit skinnies in black. OMG, they're fabulous. £230 of fabulous [weeps]. Definitely going on US wish list (H is going in Feb, I'm going in April).
I'm idly looking at getting some Hudson or similar ankle boots, but really fancied a beaten up brown kind of look. Would you? Have a look at this Gap style lookbook, some great colours, and even some brown boots..: http://www.gap.co.uk/browse/division.do?cid=56725&mlink=5058,7358927,HP_M1_LD_EU&clink=7358927
Hi, can I join? Have been diagnosed as a jewel winter. Have gone through my wardrobe but am currently 35 wks pg so am not going to be in a position to shop for a few months yet.
Didn't stop me torturing myself looking at some nice, great coloured clothes in Gap yesterday...
Guess I'm here mostly for inspiration & support while I bide my time! Oh, and try to get used to the exceptionally bright fushia lipstick I was told was good for me. Even without glasses on, it fair freaked me out. Thank god for the Revlon lip butter recommendations on here
QueenCadbury I really like the Zara bag, many thanks!
Currently wearing a cobalt blue snood scarf from Primark (it was £2!) with last year's black Gap Merino v necked jumper (and a thermal vest underneath), taupe cord skirt, woolly tights and matching boots. Amazing how a bit of jewel colour can bring an rather dreary outfit to life.
Hi one dog. I was diagnosed a jewel winter on Monday, and the bright lipstick is startling. I'm having a go though, see what happens. I did get told 3 times yesterday I was looking well....
I was quite impressed with the winter colours in Gap, actually. Funnily enough, some of them I've always been quite attracted to, but have shied away as I felt I would look better in neutrals, or they wouldn't go with other things. Now I know I can still wear navy, and shock black! I'm quite excited by it all. Wearing the new pink T, with tie dye jeans, and biker cardy with a scarf of all the colours to bring it together. And BRIGHT PINK lippy.
Am liking that grey quilted biker. I saw a bright pink felt one in gap yesterday.
I think my issue with the lipstick is that I never wear it, it's just alien to me and to go from nothing to bright pink is just too much. I can't imagine how my friends/family will react! I need to work up to it slowly...
I feel the same about lipstick, I never normally wear it: it'll definitely be the biggest change for me. But I figure in for a penny and all that. Chances are I won't be able to keep it up. Some less in your face yet still jewel winter recommendations would be good though. Maybe a tinted lip balm?
Hi MissS, I'm not sure about the first dress: the colours look a bit too soft for me, but it's hard to tell on screen. I like the second dress in black, looks like it would be a good all-rounder.
MissSB what colours were you thinking for those dresses? I don't think any apart from black are in the winter palette. Some of the patterns have winter colours in but have dominant colours that aren't in the palette.
I've just got a great lipgloss for dark/ sultry winters- Bordeaux by Revlon. I got it for £2.50 from eBay and it arrived the next day. Google some swatches of it, it's great. Very well pigmented and not sticky at all for a gloss.
Both dresses in black. I need a LBD that's suitable for celebration lunches so not too vampy/partyish - I can easily ring the changes with belts, cardigans/jackets and necklaces. Think I will get both and see which looks best on me.
Hi, does anyone have any recommendations for chunky winter coloured jumpers? I had a fab charcoal one from Me & Em which i have just shrunk to barbie sized in the wash (sob). I have plenty of fine knits but need some warmer options for these cold days. Thanks
Pufflemum I have a couple of woolovers cashmere and merino blend jumpers. They aren't chunky but they are very warm. I have rich rose and blueberry colours, both of which match the swatches well. They do bobble a bit and need a good de-fuzzer. The styling on the website is awful and the sizes are generous- I'm a 14-16 and wear a medium. Oh and it can all go in the machine.
I bought that Tesco red jumper - thanks for the encouragement all! Not a colour I would have ever bought but it looks fine ...and very Christmassy!
Pufflemum sorry to hear about your me&em jumper, that's so annoying! I accidentally shrank a whistles merino dress to teddy bear size last year What do you mean by chunky? The Boden cable jumper in navy is a lovely bright winter navy. I didn't keep it because I have a bigger top half than bottom half (inverted triangle?) so chunky tops do me no favours. But it's very cosy and good quality.
Do any of you wear cream blushers? I am after one!
elizabeth I have the Bobbi brown pot rouge in pale pink and it's great. It's not too blue toned, just a bright light pink. Raspberry us meant to be a good colour too.
I'm after a cream blusher too. Chanel do a lovely one as there are a couple of suitable colours which in currently dithering over!
Can anyone remind me if there is a red lipstick in the Revlon lip butters range? I bought the Berry Smoothie which is nice but not great with red
Elizabeth have a look at Stila cream blushers. I have a lovely one, sorry can't remember the colour & it's worn off the label (have had it for years!)
I have that Gap skirt in the navy print. It looks very short on the model - I'm 5'3 & it sits at the perfect point just about an inch or so above the knee on me if that helps.
face there's red velvet. It's a dark red rather than bright.
Just splurged at the Chanel counter and bought the cream blusher in shade 65 and the Coco Shine lipstick in shade 80. They're both quite a bright, fuchsia shade but very wearable.
I also saw a lovely velvet (tux shape) jacket (in Debenhams) by Ossie Clark. It also comes in purple. unfortunately I can't find it on the websiteto do a link.
I am so over-excited! Just back from a personal shopper appt at Top Shop. When I've got a bit more time I'll try and link to what I've bought. I've got:
a beautiful soft cotton long sleeve shirt in navy
A charcoal jumper with black mesh inserts
A royal purple jumper with black lace
A pair of black Jamie jeans
A burgundy loose shift dress
black pleather and denim pencil skirt
An dark emerald tube skirt
a HUGE silver metal necklace- way out of my comfort zone but looks great
Everything looks fab and EVERYTHING works together. Admittedly I haven't gone for vibrant colours but every one has at least one star at 100% and I can add the brighter ones through accessories.
This is the first time i've ever been pleased by clothes shopping. Happy, happy HAPPY!
How exciting - links please when you're ready!
Boden dresses have arrived - will be keeping the vanessa one and sending the other one back. Very flattering and the material is part silk but even so its still machine washable.
Humm, can't see everything online. It's amazing how different the colours are on screen compared to real life too. the links look a bit dull but everything matched my swatches.
a beautiful soft cotton long sleeve shirt in navy - much brighter in real life
charcoal jumper with black mesh inserts
A pair of black Jamie jeans
A burgundy loose shift dress, colour looks odd on screen but is true in the flesh
black pleather and denim pencil skirt
A dark emerald tube skirt
These look great! Love how they style their clothes - esp the charcoal jumper. You must be so pleased
Still REALLY overexcited! Spent two hours putting outfits together, was gutted when I had to stop to go and pick up DC!
Thanks for the cream blusher recs, am tempted by pot rouge looking at reviews. Will be checking out your links later Betty! I had a personal shop with Topshop a three years ago and it was brilliant, it got me into so many things I wouldn't have worn otherwise (dresses and playsuitsplaysuits mainly).
Fab shopping betty. And I love how excited you are.
I especially love the emerald skirt. How will you wear it? I'm really hoping to get some styling tips for skirts at my style day as I'm useless.
carrie74 i am catching up with the thread and you sound like me. I have been a HOC winter (think jewel because of ** colours but was YEARS ago) and more recently CMB cool, clear.
Also an inverted triangle - an insight which is really helping now i understand it
Thanks Queen, spent ten minutes just stroking my new clothes - tragic!
The emerald skirt is quite lovely, I'm very 'hippy' and i thought jersey would make me look like a truck but it was actually flattering.
It looks really good with the navy shirt as it fits slightly at the waist but skims the hips. I'm not sure what tights to go with, maybe some really thick navy numbers and then i def need a bit of a heel or i look a bit stumpy.
When is your style day? I'm thinking about doing one too but not 100% it will be worth it - i'm scared they will tell me i need to be floaty ruffles and chiffon!
Oh Queen, just seen you've decided to do the style day! Let me know how it goes...I'm still tempted
Standingonlego I know this isn't a winter question, so apologies to all, what do you find works/doesn't work on you as an inverted triangle? I'm starting to wonder whether the reason cardis don't seem to work on me is because they widen my top half - not sure if they do or not...?
The Hush red cardi arrived today and it's a proper bright red (slightly cool-leaning if anything). I do love it but haven't tried it on yet. Might swap it for the bright red v neck jumper they do if I don't like it on me.
PS Betty your charcoal mesh jumper is tempting me...
Just been looking at Betty's charcoal jumper and found this purple lace back one. I can't tell whether it's going to be wintery enough but I love it. Looks like it could be a match for damson? Have ordered it along with the charcoal one...neither are going to be warm but they're pretty
Here you go Eliz inverted triangle style advice
That is a gorgeous jumper Elizabeth, let us know if it's a good match. I love the bottle colour version too but I don't think it's one of our colours - booo.
I've just taken delivery of this in red and navy and the Alexa dress in Lapis which I hope is a winter blue. I think I will keep both as I'm trying to liven up my day wardrobe and not simply wear my usual clothes but with a winter coloured jumper. What do you think? I would probably wear both with think navy tights and boots or shoe boots.
Betty I saw the 'bottle' jumper too - it's gorgeous, but yes it's hard to tell if it's a clear forest green or if it's a more autumny peacock/blue green. They only have one size left anyway.
Pufflemum the lapis dress looks fab, it looks a good match for electric blue in the pictures. I'm less sure about the red and navy one - with such a busy print, you sometimes get a muted effect that doesn't work that well on winters (only going by my experience though!) Do you feel like you light up in it or are you eyes mainly drawn to the print rather than your face?
Great dresses, esp the blue one. If the other one is too busy, trying teaming it with a plain cardigan/tights. I love the vintage/retro feel of some of their tunics and dresses
Gorgeous dress pufflemum. Love the vertical lines on the bodice, really gorgeous dress.
Hello, over here for small inverted triangle diversion, thank you for the link MissScatterbrain not seen that before. It has helped me understand why some things work and others don't for me, some of it I put down to being petite (I am 5'2"ish) but now I think it is about shape.
Good things - A-line dresses, skater style dresses, turning up my skinnies to show some ankle (good with ballet slippers & pumps) as the turn-up widens me a bit there and stops me looking too carrot shaped (I knew this worked, but had NO idea why - instantly looks better), straight clean lines, contrast down the middle of an outfit, funky /statement shoes, no fussy necklines, volume on bottom half, necklaces to be weighted in middle (like single pendant) to draw eye inwards rather than rounded style, detail at ip level e.g. side ties to tops. tailoring and fitted clothes.
Bad things - fussiness on shoulders (e.g epallettes, cap sleeves, shoulder pads, detail on bust area), extra volume on top (e.g. layering), scarves (always looked daft on me), shapeless clothes (the leggings / tunic type combo has to be well fitted, i do better with tights, casual frock & boots)
Specifically on cardis, I struggle with these, they have to be really neat rather than waterfally.
That is a bit of a brain dump! I picked out this little number from Matalan (I was there randomly which waiting for car repair) that fits all the "rules" and I have been hoovering up compliments like crazy at work . It looks 5x more than the 20 quid i splashed out
Do any of you have any good blogs from winters? I realise I look at blogs of people who are totally different colouring to me, different shape and have lifestyles different to me.
I need some good classic winter bloggers.
I am never going to wear biscuit and beige layered sweaters with skinny jeans and ankle boots. No no no.
I don't know of any although I suspect that Kat from Doesmybumlook40 is a sultry winter - unfortunately, she gets it wrong with some of her colours.
I find putting together a pinterest board helpful in learning what I like and how to out an outfit together. I try and follow a few boards to pick up ideas.
The dark haired one on this blog (it's run by two women)
Flashes of style. She often wears winter colours - lots of red and acid yellow. I like a lot of her outfits.
Norwegian blogger. She looks wintery to me and has done great posts on finding you style, gamine style and pixie cuts. She has great hair.
None of these identify themselves as winters as far as I know, and they don't always stick to winter colours, but they're nice blogs.
Standingonlego thanks for the inverted triangle info, loads of it rings true for me. Am returning the red Hush cardi as it's too boxy. I often go for volume on the bottom like skater dresses or tulip skirts. I like jersey pencil skirts atm but they need detail like texture or ruching.
I bought the black/navy stripe printed Gap skirt yesterday - 30% off in store! It's lovely and nowhere near as short as it looks on the model. Can't think what colours it would go with apart from black and navy...
Hey all you fellow winters. I found a lobelia cardigan in a charity shop yesterday. Today I am wearing it with jeans, navy thermals layered under a white tee, and a bright pink scarf. It looks fab. The lippie helps loads though - a little pinky lipstick really makes it all work.
It is a million miles away from my old colours but I look healthy and pretty.
I also found some midnight blue velvet trousers in a charity shop which are perfect for Christmas - especially as they have an elasticated waist. Mmm....post feast slobbing around.....<dribble>.
I am lusting after this coat. Do you think it's a winter red?
Hello. I quite like the colour of this scarf but please can you ladies tell me whether or not this is a winter blue? Thanks!
The coat is a lovely winter red colour.
And the blue scarf looks like cobalt so should be good for winters.
I'd say both the coat and the scarf would fit into the winter palette .
I'm thinking of maybe looking for a Xmas dress to wear to work dinner (fairly low key) and Christmas day. So a nice day dress, nothing too fancy. Maybe red...
Nice coat elizabeth. Looks winter red but it's to difficult to tell online.
bambi nice scarf but I wonder whether it may e a little bit muted irl?
I came across this pinner and there are some interesting winter boards.
Interesting boards Queen! She divides people into far more detailed seasons/types than HOC. I think I'd be tinted (cool/true) winter leaning slightly towards dark/deep by her reckoning. You'd be pure (bright/clear) winter, wouldn't you? Loads of make up there to check out too.
I know- she must have literally spent hours doing those boards!
Blimey at the boards! Based on these, I don't see myself as a toned (deep/dark) winter but as a tinted (cool/true) - must be a very different system.
Just had a moment of boredom and started flicking through the bazillion pictures of me on facebook - am now more convinced than ever that knowing your colours makes a huge difference! I used to wear lots of lilacs and springy greens and had highlights and look so faded, somehow. The more recent pictures are MUCH better
I bought the blue scarf - looked at some other pics online and it looks vibrant in every photo plus description is 'rich blue' so I think I'm safe :-)
This colours thing has injected new enthusiasm into clothes shopping. Before it was a drag sifting through zillions of colours and styles, now I love just going straight to the bright blues, pinks etc. However, i am finding there's a lot less choice in the winter colours in a sea of neutrals, beige, pastels.
I'm loving it too. I don't mind the fact that I have to be a bit choosier, because I am going to have lots of great combinations. Especially with good scarves. And over time your wardrobe will build so you can pull out that fuschia number with the navy skinnies and a lobelia scarf, or whatever... <brainwashed>
Wearing a red DKNY cozy cardie today, so thought I'd match my lippy (WAAAAY out of my comfort zone). Sat down with my boss for a meeting this morning and confessed my lack of confidence for such a bright lippy, and he said, "I'm really sorry Carrie, but you just don't need it - a more neutral colour looks much better. I hope you don't mind me saying it". I'm glad he did - it's good for someone to be honest.
BUT, what do we think? Are bright lip colours more for occasions? I would certainly feel happier with that.
One downside of this colours thing is that I now really notice bad colours on other people, wouldn't say anything to them though of course.
carrie74 know what you mean. I'm too chicken to wear bright lipstick but that's because I had years of corrective orthodontics as a child and I've been wary of drawing attention to my mouth ever since, though now my teeth look perfectly fine. I tend to avoid bright top and bright lipstick combo in the same way I'd avoid a cleavage and short dress combo - ie one or the other but not both at the same time. But then I do dress more towards the conservative side
carrie your boss sounds really nice - I like the way he put it Maybe the red cardi and red lips together were too much? I don't wear very bright/strong lips for daytime, but I know people who do and they pull it off really well. But they tend to be more made up and dressier overall. I also think bright red lipstick is tricky to get right, even as a winter - it took me ages to find a shade that didn't look like it was taking over my whole face (and it wasn't one of the ones HOC recommended, that's for sure!)
carrie as others have said it's about wearing a bright shade rather than the bright shade wearing you iyswim. I wear full on bright fuschia when I'm going out and dressed up but would probably feel a fool on the school run with bright pink lips. I do however wear red or pink every day but it's just very toned down. I literally dab it on with fingers and mix it on my lips with the paint the town red Vaseline. So it looks very sheer and natural on me. If I try my neutral lipstick now I wonder how I ever looked good in it. I look half dead! The red that works for me is the revlon red velvet lip butter or Rimmel red diva.
Anyone is the SW fancy doing the style day with me on the 7th? I've jut seen on hopefullys Facebook page that she unexpectedly has 2 places...
I ordered this clutch on Monday which has been delivered today. Absolutely gorgeous colour. It's sort of satin material but not mother of the bride-ish iyswim. It's quite flat though so I just need to see if I can fit everything in it for a night out without ruining the shape of it.
OK all, I think I'm going to tone it back down a bit to where I'm more comfortable anyway.
Queen C I'd have been up for that, but DH is in London on the 7th, and he may also have booked me on the style day for the new year with the local HoC person. LOVE the clutch!
I'd have loved to join you on the 7th (am in the SW!) but that's a busy day for me already. Enjoy!
I just found a brilliant post on choosing lipsticks for winters: here. Carrie you might be interested 'Nude' lips on us are still really quite bright colours. Chanel Rouge Coco Shine in 55 Romance is described as a bright, mid tone strawberry pink, but looks very natural on me, even though my natural lip colour is very pale pink almost white, and brightens up my face loads. The picture of Mary Louise Parker here illustrates it well.
at her comparing bright winters to magic and unicorns. Very true though that bright pink looks natural on me.
Haha, I didn't notice that Queen. I think you should change your name to something involving unicorns
re lipsticks - I think red cardigan AND red lipstick can be a bit much for daytime wear, especially if you aren't the type to wear strong make up.
What I tend to do is use lipsticks as an second or third accent colour - eg today I am wearing charcoal and cobalt clothes along with red lipstick. Night time I would probably wear a red dress with a red lipstick without worrying about how I look.
House of Fraser has a two day 20-50% sale - great if you like Mint Velvet, Mango (bought cigarette pants that actually fitted me - yay!), phase eight, coast etc. I was with a friend and she remarked at how quickly I seem to check out shops before deciding if I want to have a closer look.
Will now check out the links Eliz.
Ooh MissS, I'm always looking for cigarette pants that fit me - are the Mango ones generous in the thigh by any chance? My problem is small waist v. 'generous' thighs
Not really - I have weedy legs and a fat waist so the opposite problem to yours!!
Right, well at least I can cross Mango off my list of places to try! Thank you So far the Boden bistro crops are the only ones that fit me, but they're not perfect.
Thanks for all the lippy advice, have been discussing it with anyone who'll listen this weekend . Definitely going for more of a stain rather than full on pout now.
Tried on this
sparkly top yesterday (had been eyeing up all week in the Black Friday deals, as wanted something for Xmas meal and Xmas day). I was naturally drawn to the blue, but wanted to see the difference in how the gold looked on me. Well, I definitely saw it: the gold drained my face of colour, the blue reflected colour into my face (not blue though , the right colours).
But I am being really drawn to blacks (which I've avoided for YEARS), greys and navies and cobalts, and could see myself staying in a bit of a rut of these actually...
I posted here ages ago, but haven't really bought many clothes since. I did buy a navy pea coat from uniqlo a few weeks back. I thought it was perfect, but with only a 30% wool content it has bobbled like mad and already looks really shabby.
So I looked around and found this. I don't normally go into Hobbs, but I tried it on and really liked it, so I'm getting it for Christmas. I think it's slightly longer than a traditional pea coat, but it has a good 'in and out' shape, which is good for my hour glass figure
I find I'm drawn to navy much more than black as I get older. I do still wear the occasion black top or dress, but I'd say my most bought neutral is navy now. This makes me feel really old, as I've always thought as navy as an old lady colour. And now I am fulfilling my own stereotype!
I'm back from my colour consultation and i'm a Jewel Winter
Now going to re-read the whole thread
Welcome Mickle! Don't forget about the 1000 post long older thread either
I forgot to come back and update - I bought the Bobbi Brown pot rouge in Pale Pink and it's lovely. I'd call it a medium pink rather than pale, and it's very natural looking and cool-toned. You can build it up to be brighter or subtler depending on mood. It's a bit too pale for a lipstick really but gives my lips enough colour to not look dead when I'm too lazy for lippie.
Thanks Elizabeth, I didn't think to look at the old thread. Very excited and even don't mind the very bright lipsticks
Me too mickleme. I've found it all quite exciting, really.
Hey mickle, I'm a jewel winter too. I love it!
Just been to Topshop to pick up some jumpers. The purple lace back one is very meh - shapeless, didn't feel great quality and the colour's muted and dull. But the charcoal one recommended by Betty is gorgeous (and currently 20% off). Lovely slouchy shape, very soft, and the mesh is soft too (was worried it might be stiff mesh). Keeping
Picked up some cheap jersey long sleeved tops in Primark yesterday - bright blue, mid grey and bright pink. £3.50 each <don't think about sweatshops>
Today wearing blue top over midi grey jersey dress with black tights (fleece lined tights also from Primark, soooo warm). The blue just looks good on me! Am still amazed by this. Am wearing it with burgundy HoC lipstick which I toned down a bit by wiping it off and putting lip balm over the top.
Sounds a great outfit, Face. Can I warn you not to put the primark tops in the tumbler? DH has done this with mine and shrunk a couple. How many times do I have to say "don't put ANY of my tops in the tume dryer"!?!?
I'm on a shopping hiatus at the moment. Desperately trying to lose more weight (aren't we all?). I want quality over quantity and want to be back as at least a 12/14 rather than a 16, so can't shop.
I'm still enjoying the accessories/ makeup chat though!
YY to Primark tops being a good way of adding winter colours cheaply and I use these as layers under dresses and jumpers (these are long enough to show under jumpers that end at the waist). Wore damson tights today which made a great change from black.
Gap have a 30% sale in store - lots of gorgeous jumpers including cashmere in bright pink, grey and black. Restrained myself though as I have everything I need for the moment....
Very of those of you who can do layers. I am so short they always look look a bit wrong on me. Colours sound great though. I am a jewel winter too (diagnosed many years ago). I did go through a 'rebellious' phase with my colours as I'd been wearing the jewel tone ones for so long. I tried the ice colours this summer and really liked them -pale grey or ice pink chinos, and ice lavender or white shirts and t-shirts. It made a nice change
Hobbs Pea coat came and I love it. Although there doesn't seem to be much love for Hobbs on some of the other S&B threads!
No more purchases for me, may be not even in the January sales. I think my wardrobe is pretty well stocked at the moment.
It's lovely to see all the Winter links though
I don't tumble dry clothes, really, because I never know what will get wrecked, although my husband does tend to 'help' with the laundry sometimes despite me pleading with him not to.
I have my style day on Monday! Eeek! Excited.
Tomorrow I think I'll wear a black dress and grey top. Bit dull but might put a scarf on to brighten it up. I quite like looking like I'm going to work even when I'm just skilling about in the kitchen all day.
Hello all. I've been a bit naughty and have bought a couple of things-cardis and a blouse with all the discount codes that were flying around. I'll link when I've got them as they'll probably go back anyway!
I've got my style day on Saturday!
Okay, today I am wearing a black jersey midi dress (£5 from Tesco) with a pink jersey top over (£3.50 Primark), and the lobelia jersey cardigan (£3.50o charity shop) and grey tights (wish I had a different colour). And pink glittery hair clips. Vivid and bright, a bit in your face.
And my daughter looked at me this morning and said matter-of-factly, 'Mummy looks pretty.' <sheds a tear>
This has had such an impact on me, emotionally. I spent so long feeling like I had to wear 'safe' colours, that were a bit muted, a bit washed out, and a bit invisible, and feeling like that was the only way to look good was to not really stand out. AND I could never really tell when people looked at me or my outfit whether they thought I looked good or weird (because I was getting the colours wrong). AND I thought paying too much attention to the way I looked was vain so avoided all this for years.
But now I am wearing clothes that show me off. I am wearing bright colours that can't be avoided, and shapes that show off my body (a bit) and this is actually SAFER than wearing clothes that hide me. Safer because they will more reliably make me look good. And this feels important because it means it is safe to be me. It is safe to have an identity that is unique and visible and stands out, because that is just me.
I hope that doesn't sound too deep, but it has really affected me very deeply. I keep thinking about loads of stuff to do with womanhood, motherhood, beauty, caring for myself and the family, why caring for myself suddenly means trying to be pretty, and why even though I tried not to care about that for so long it was really because I thought I never could be pretty and I placed so much value on my career...on and on. Some of this stuff comes naturally to people but it REALLY doesn't to me, so this is a huge thing that it taking its time to work itself out. I won't bore you any more. Thank you for listening.
Face- that's wonderful to hear! You should tell your consultant about what a difference she has made!
Face that's wonderful and a lovely post to read
In less interesting news, I bought this jumper in bright red and love it. I'm very pleased to have found something very bright that's going to go with loads of my black and navy and grey stuff. Most of the stuff in my wardrobe is dark (forest green, damson, aubergine) so it's nice to have something cheerier that suits me!
Queen have a great time on saturday
face I echo the other two, it's wonderful. And kids are great because when they compliment you you know they mean it.
I ordered a l'wren Scott sequin cardi from banana republic this morning. I can't link as it's sold out. I've been patiently waiting for today as the release date since I saw it in a magazine about a month ago. I had my iPad next to me in bed so that I could wake up and order as I knew it would be popular. Ds woke me up at 4 and so I did it then. Thank goodness I did as someone on another thread tried to order one at 6 and they'd sold out. I'm very happy .
Does anyone have a red woollen scarf? I've been looking for one but can't find the right shade.
this is the l'wren Scott stuff. If anyone's tempted by anything I've got a one use only 20% off code....
Queen I have bright red woollen scarf I got from a Hobbs outlet store last year. I think it's this one, but I'm not sure about the seller's colour description 'grape dark crimson' doesn't make much sense to me, so if you're interested I'd contact the seller first. The colour is true red, the second and fourth pictures are closest. It's very big and cosy.
I saw the L'Wren Scott stuff and thought it was perfect for us winters! Glad you got something QC.
I like the "lips" skirt - a bit quirky!
Thanks elizabeth. I tend to steer clear of eBay though after getting stung the one and only time I used it!
Just checking that those in the SW definitely can't make the style day in Exeter tomorrow. It's just me and I'd love to have someone else!
I'm nowhere near the SW but if you are are really recommend the style day. I had one in September and it was the best thing I've done for a very, very long time.
I'm planning on doing a style day as a treat for myself for when I've lost some more weight.
elizabeth did you decide where to go for dinner? Did your thread give you inspiration?
Ok so I am not buying any clothes but I've just bought myself an amazing new pair if glasses in winter colours. They are an acetate frame coloured grey and deep blue/ navy. They are fab. It was interesting trying on frames in winter colours.
nigella where there other people there or just you? I found it incredibly useful having others at the colours day so I'm just hoping I'll get the same out if the style day being alone.
No I went on my own. It was great though! The lady was very good indeed.
Thanks nigella. That's reassuring.
I had mine on my own and it was great, same lady Queencadbury. Interested to find out your style!
How long does it take if you are on your own? Is it a whole day or do you get through it quicker?
I am currently lusting after this statement necklace. I have just spent a FORTUNE on new glasses and can't justify the cost (to DH- I can always justify it to myself!).
QueenCadbury how did your style day go? Tell us about it. And did you wear your Viv dress yet? What did you put with it?
KB - stunning necklace, I have a similar one and I love wearing it although I should wear it more often.
Would love to hear about style days too.
My DM had her colours done a few days ago - an early xmas present from me and she LOVED it. She is a blue spring (which means she has warmth as well as a bit of coolness in her skin tone) and she has already cleared her wardrobe, bought new make up and is talking about going shopping Another convert to the HOC cult
The most amazing day yesterday! I'm officially an ingenue natural! So, I'm a natural with ingenue traits.
Clothes with movement
Natural fabrics and textured materials -- ignores the fact that most my wardrobe is polyester--
Soft, unconstructed lines in beautiful textures
Casual, easy look
I then need to add delicate touches for the ingenue part...
Small scle accessories
Small scale floral patterns
Lighter weight footwear
Small pretty buttons
Knitted, lace, crochet finishes, baby cables and pointelle knits.
It's all very me and the most interesting thing is why things don't work. So structured clothes, stiff fabrics, stiff collars, large patterns, big jewellery, v necks are definitely not for me. It's also kind of given me permission to ditch the plain tees and enjoy wearing my blouses more without feeling over dressed and to buy tees with detailing such as pintucks which I like but was put off as thought they may be frumpy but now I know they suit me.
So definitely a good day and now I'm off to create a new Pinterest board!
How interesting - I have a friend who is an ingenue and she looks great in what I would call pretty clothes. V. different to how I would dress.
QueenCadbury - that's wonderful news! So it was ok on your own? I think Style days are fantastic (I am a dramatic gamine). So good that you know your style now - it allows everything to fall into place....
I think my worry is that I am a student on a budget, plus I am also plus-sized (22-24) so have a limited group of shops to buy from. I don't want to get told about clothes I either can't afford or can't fit into! At least I suit black which is what most plus-size shops are full of, but I love colour and hate that I can't wear nice clothes (and I am healthy so don't want to have to lose weight just to fit into particular clothes IYSWIM).
So what are the HoC Winter categories? In CMB they are Clear Winter, Cool Winter and Deep Winter. I have to wear brights so I think Bright Winter in HoC? Also neutral skin tone, can wear both gold and silver.
Nigella - tell us what kind of things a dram gamine can wear
Little - the thing about gold and silver makes me think you could be a blue spring as under hoc, only blue springs can wear both. Hoc winters definitely can't wear gold. With a student budget, you are better off sticking to a palette of colours you feel suit you best.
nigella it was fine on my own thanks. It was good to have time to ask questions properly and show her clothes that I was uncertain about.
littlebaby I'm a bright winter but I can't wear gold. If your shops are mainly full of black you could add colour with jewellery or scarves in whatever colours suit you best.
Queen that's great to hear! I am tempted more than ever My friend who I did the colours day with did the style day later and is a natural ingenue too. She already dressed more or less that way, but whenever I see her now she has some extra pretty detail that suits her, like a hair slide or dangly earrings. And she can wear ruffle blouses without looking at all frumpy or overdressed!
Nigella I'm also interested in hearing what a dramatic gamine can wear. I've guessed in the past that I might be a gamine ingenue, but am not v sure about the ingenue part - I have a hidden goth past and sometimes veer in that direction in certain moods, and it always feels very me (or maybe I'm just reconnecting with my teenage side...)
Is Blue Spring the same as Bright Spring? Can anyone link to a palette as I can't find anything on Blue Springs. HoC Spring colours don't look great on me though, not saturated enough. Will re-test myself with gold and silver (I don't wear jewellery so need to go to H Samuels or something!). I look good in standard Winter colours so I am confused. My two go-to colours are royal blue and bright red. I am never sure of when other colours look good on me or not.
Oh yes, kosher, I haven't quite decided where to take DH for dinner but that was a very helpful thread!
Hmm, this pinterest pin says Bright Winters CAN wear both gold and silver:
Little - most of us were analysed by HOC and they tell us that silver is cool and should be worn by cool seasons. Also when paired with warm colours, can easily look cheap. Vice versa for gold.
These boards have some similarities but were created using a different system (e.g CMB).
Ooh. QueenC sounds v exciting and loving your pins.
Can't see up thread on phone but loving the Cos necklace. Wish we had a Cos down here in Bristol /Bath.
Black skinnies today, black super long T layered under v sloppy pale grey jumper, topped with pale grey and fuschia zebra scarf. Accompanying DD's Y4 class on trip today. Sought her approval first [grin ].
(Little - not sure if this would help but if you go on the Spring colours thread, there is a post about Blue Springs on page 14)
Black casual tunic dress with stripy long sleeve top underneath and a red snood & lippy
Can I have some make up recommendations please, lots of them too cos I am allergic to a shed load of ingredients so have to check them & usually can't buy much.
I was told I was a winter jewel by HoC last May.
I need lipsticks, eye shadows & blusher.
Abouttime have a look through the previous HOC winters thread, linked in the OP - loads of make up recommendations there. I don't know what you're allergic to but one of my favourite blushers is Benefit Benetint. It's a very natural looking red flush (most blushers are peachy, brown or pink, so I think this is a great one for winters). I have sensitive skin on my cheeks and this doesn't irritate them at all.
Apart from that the majority of my favourite makeup is from Mac - I don't think they have very good 'natural/sensitive ingredients' credentials!
Gah, Sorrel, stop tempting me with Chanel makeup
Sorry . I've got really sensitive skin
expensive tastes so I tend to stick with the brands I know won't bring me out in a rash.
I do have the MUA naked palette but I only use the black and the grey!
Abouttime are there any brands that you know you aren't allergic to? Maybe if you let us know we can help you choose winter colours from those brands?
little unless you go for a proper consultation then I think it is impossible to diagnose yourself. If silver and gold suits you then wear it. Personally on me gold looks awful.
Boring day of chores here and freezing as having the boiler changed so no heating on and the front door wide open! Wearing cobalt polo neck and jeans. Have got fuschia lippy on though .
Oh carrie, yes, I too wish we had a cos ( and a uniqlo) as it's not the sort of shop you can't buy online from as there shapes are too weird.
If anyone followed my lead and bought a uniqlo tee, do not accidentally put it in the tumble dryer...
I took this jumper to my style day and I was right in thinking that it's not quite right. It fits more in with the summer pallete. Style wise though it's a perfect jumper for me. I've ordered some flamingo pink dye to see if I can just brighten it up a bit.
And elizabeth that green scarf you liked is a touch too warm. It doesn't match pine green but it doesn't quite fit in with the autumn colours either but it's definitely not right. I'm gong to dye it navy.
So 2 mistakes since April when I had my colours done. I knew they weren't right when I got them home but because they'd been bought in London I couldn't take them back. Ho hum. It was great to see all the coloured scarves again and play about with them though
Thanks Queen, I'll delete the scarf from my Pinterest in case I forget later and buy it! If the flamingo pink doesn't work on your jumper, try tulip red - I think it could make a good dark winter pink mixed with the original colour of the jumper.
So QueenC, how is the style day actually assessed? I can "get" the colours, but once style comes into play, it must be more than just your shape, your personality comes into it too? (And I suspect I could finally come to a conclusion on why whatever I wear, I never look cool).
carrie I am wondering that too. I would be interested to see how much personal taste comes into it compared to body shape -there are lots of looks that I love, and I wonder whether the ones I love are the ones which suit me, iyswim. I think I'm going to make a pinterest board of my absolute favourite looks and see if there's a theme! Atm I am generally happy with my wardrobe, but I don't think I have a particular 'look'. My friend who's had her style day now always looks like she has her own style, and looks very pulled together and comfortable in it.
I had my style day! Hurrah!
It was great - they assess your body shape and then your 'clothing personality'. I now know which shape trousers to wear, which necklines, which everything. And she has said I need to wear belts, which is weird and freaks me out.
I'm a gamine with dramatic tendencies. I assumed I'd be a natural with either dramatic or gamine tendencies but this is an exciting combination. I will need to buy a lot more tailoring, apparently...so no more slopping around in Primark t-shirts sadly.
I am excited to try all this out.
She looked at my shape and I came out as straight on top and soft straight at the bottom and measured my neck, body and legs so you're advised what shapes suit you best. Then there's a personality bit to work out how yin or yang you are (male/female). Then looking at the items of clothing that I'd taken with me she went off (leaving me to play with swatches and lipsticks ) and came back with my diagnosis.
I always knew that stiff collars and skinnies and things didn't suit me but now I realise it's because I'm not angular or masculine. But equally I'm not totally soft and curvy so the romantic frills and flounces wouldn't suit me either. It was interesting as I had no idea what I'd be. I suspected some kind of natural as I like the easy look but don't like to look scruffy which is where the prettiness of the ingenue comes in to play.
I often felt that some of the clothes I chose leaned towards frumpy as most people favour skinnies, heels, statement necklace etc but now I feel validated in my choices knowing that they are totally right for me. Does that make sense?
Ooh cross post with face. How exciting! What sort of things do you need to wear?
I ordered this today to hopefully replace my shrunken grey tee.
Thanks for the recommendations ladies, I'm going to look tomorrow at the ingredients.
I'm allergic to limonene, 2 bromo 2 nitro propane 1 3 dial, benzoyl peroxide, balsam of Peru but am likely to be allergic to other stuff that I haven't yet been tested for.
I don't wear much make up at the moment. I use bare minerals powder & a couple of the loreal lip gloss.
When I get a chance I will read through the other thread but if anyone has any more recommendations in the meantime I would be very grateful.
Sorry MissScatterbrain, thought the pins I linked to were HoC as CMB has a Clear Winter not a Bright Winter. Bright Winter is a neutral palette within the Winter season though, not cool, according to HoC. I cannot afford to get seen by a consultant yet so having to do it all online, sorry.
Abouttime have you ever used Etsy? Lots of additive-free make-up on there, have a search. All the stores list their ingredients.
Hi all, I was "diagnosed" as a burnished winter by HoC recently so best colours are royal purple, royal blue, navy, raspberry, carmine, Chinese blue and dark emerald. I've been looking on-line for ideas and "burnished winter" isn't a common description! Is it a new category for HoC?
Looking at my colours and on-line info, it seems to be somewhere between true winter and deep winter?
I can't remember everything about my shapes and things, but I basically need to wear neat and tidy clothing with a bit of statement. No frills or flounces, no really strong statements. So a sleeveless shift knee length dress is good but add a big brooch or bangle or hair thingy (or all). At the moment I am crap at accessorising so there was some emphasis on making sure I add accessories.
Am exhausted actually, as it was 7 hours long and now I need to do bedtime alone. So more later. Oh, and bought a load of lipsticks.
OK, checked on the Spring thread, I am a Winter since it's probably my own lip pigment (mine are very mauve) cooling down a warmish lipstick! I can't wear warm clothing, so I think Bright Winter it is.
I'm a Jewel Winter. I've just bought this in Strength and [[ www.bareminerals.co.uk/Marvelous-Moxie-Lipgloss/UKMasterMoxieLipgloss,default,pd.html this in Dare Devil]]
For blusher I've been using Fench Kiss and Dream Sequence eyeshadows
I'm not sure how their ingredients would be for you Abouttime but they do list them on the website.
givemeaminute I am a burnished winter too! My best colours are the same as yours, apart from chinese blue.
Burnished winter means that our skin has a slight natural tone, so we can get away with chocolate brown and mixed metals (gold + silver) jewelry. Soft, dark colours suit us best, therefore darl cherry red as opposed to bright red, dark charcoal grey as opposed to black, navy as opposed to black. We are still winters though, so contrast works well, i.e. a white shirt worn under a drak purple cardigan.
Estee Lauder doublewear in Ecru (pale and neutral tone)
N7 powder in medium light
blushers: HOC no37 (for burnished winters only, this matches everything), mac dollymix, mac swoon
Dark grey liquid eyeliner or black.
Bobbi brown eyeshadow in rockstar (as worn by Kate Middleton on her wedding day!) to cover lid discoloration, it looks very natural, just adds a hint of shimmer
Lipsticks: HOC no27 (bright red, sometimes this feels too bright), HOC no54 (perfect fuschia), revlon lip butter in red velvet (dark red, good for everyday), mac plumfull (neutral natural pink/mauve). I am planning on adding clinique chubby stick in Pudgy Peony
Nail varnishes: OPI got the blues for you red, OPI Mrs O'leary's bbq (perfect match with revlon red velvet lip butter), nails inc piccadilly circus (goos with all the pink / fischia lipsticks), OPI LIncoln after dark
Maraki - nice to find another burnished, I'm not alone! Thanks for all the makeup tips. Although the HoC lady tried me in bright lipsticks, I feel that I suit something in between the brights and the darks, both feel like just too much contrast and I either look like a clown or a vampire .....! But i am converted to the idea that lipstick makes your eyes sparkle! I will look for your suggestions. I did look for the Revlon Red Velvet but the local shops didn't have it in their Revlon range. Too small, I guess.
Have you spotted any good shops for clothes this season? I'm finding a lot of the bright reds, greens, pinks but they aren't great for me. I can do the navy and charcoal but would like to brighten it up with the right blues, greens and reds. I've done a lot of Internet shopping but most of it is going back as the colours are either too bright, or too yellowy (especially the reds).
Ohh... What's a burnished winter? How does it differ from sultry?
As for makeup. I wore my berry smoothie lip butter for the first time in a couple of weeks and it almost got lost on me. I realise I look better in bolder shades. I'm currently loving my Revlon Bordeaux gloss, a good deep berry red.
kosher I've given up on berry smoothie too. It's just too pale. I need the bright pink colours to make my eyes pop!
Kosher someone else might be able to tell us the difference between sultry and burnished. As a newbie to this, I'm definitely confused!
I've got that berry smoothie lipstick, it's virtually a nude on me. Think I need something a little stronger.
Hello! New to the thread but was lurking on the last one (before my colour day confirmed I was a winter). I had my colours done a couple of months ago and am a jewel winter.
On the burnished/ sultry question, my consultant explained that sultry was for those who suited the darker end of the winter colour spectrum and that within sultry there was burnished suiting the v dark colours like pine, burgundy etc and jewel, like me, whose best colours were chinese blue, royal purple etc. So I understood both jewel and burnished were sub sets of sultry. Hope that is right...please correct me if you think it isn't!
And glad to have reason to join the thread finally ( not that you need a reason, of course)...
Wow, another type of winter to join us! Welcome burnisheds! Maraki that was a great makeup post.
Re. berry smoothie I know what you mean. My berry smoothie got destroyed within a couple of uses - turned to mush - but I have a similar Chanel pink which seemed so bright when I first bought it, but now when I wear it just looks like a nude to me.
I wonder if this effect is going to continue and we're all just going to get into brighter and brighter colours and end up looking like this?
That picture is hilarious!
Is that some kind of winter-friendly ice blue that she is wearing on her eye lids?
Elizabeth, that is what I am aiming for now.
Is there a type of winter that suits the icy end of the spectrum? Lots of us suit the dark and bright sections, but haven't heard from anyone who looks best in the ice colours.
I might email my consultant to see if she can explain sultry/burnished/jewel differences.
OK, my colours consultant has already replied! I told her my best colours (just to check I have it right) and she said:
Burnished winters are the 'soft' end, mole, burgundy, carmine, grey, royal purple. Sultry tend to be the dark end navy, damson, charcoal, pine. Some people fall between several stools, which is not unusual. Scarlet, electric blue and light emerald are Jewel winter colours, so you fall between jewel and sultry. This is just a guideline but when I saw the colours and maybe you in the burgundy lipstick sultry felt right.
Interesting reply - looks like I fall between sultry and burnished as my best colours are mole, burgundy, navy, charcoal, pine and black. The other colours in these categories e,g grey, royal purple and damson are great on me but only 75%.
at the pic.
To be honest I have given up with the winter sub-divisions, this is getting just TOO complicated for me...I'm just concentrating on cool colours at the moment and avoiding the very bright reds. Nearly a year after my diagnosis, I am still getting to terms with it....The HOC blusher for burnished winters (No.34) is spot on though.
(I was a highlights addict with a wardrobe full of corals and beiges and nude lipsticks for over 20 years)
Yep, I think the subdivisions don't matter too much. I think there is so much to be gained from just knowing that some colours are going to look better on you, that some are going to look fantastic, and that you know how to recognise which ones look best.
You are training your eyes, right? Not just following someone else's instructions. You learn for yourself how to tell when you look good, because you won't have a consultant at your shoulder all the time. They just help sometimes if you need it, like for a shopping day every few years, or an accessories workshop (both quite exciting prospects for me).
I suit iced blue and one of the iced purple shades (hyacinth maybe?). They're just impossible to find though. Unless I get eyeshadow a la Barbara Cartland!
I am a jewel winter too, bordering on Sultry. I have been following this and the last thread. I was 'diagnosed' in May but it has taken me a while to clear out my wardrobe and save for some new bits. Luckily I already had a lipstick habit so had plenty that already suited.
My best colours are Dark emerald, Pine, Navy, Indigo, Royal purple, Royal Blue, Raspberry, Carmine, Fuschsia, Damson and Burgundy. A few of the ice colours I had a star at 50% so have been looking out for those.
I went mad when Gap had 40% off the other day and bought this in oxford purple, which was a pretty good match for the Ice Lavender swatch and this in quince, which was a good match for Ice Aqua.
this in fuchsia stripe.
this in Navy
this in Navy
these in Ruby Wine
and am waiting for this in Navy to arrive.
I would love some things in Raspberry or Carmine but have not seen anything I fancy anywhere. I am also finding a lot of the burgundies in the shops lean too far to brown.
I am also on the look out for a coat with a hood for the school run but really can't see anything I like anywhere. i would quite like a parka or duffle coat but definitely not anything padded/duvet like. I am a 32GG and could do without anything adding extra inches!
Any suggestions welcome!
Love that fuchsia stripe top JimJam, and the ruby wine skinnies!
Wow, that's a decent haul - love the fuchsia stripe too and also the zip t-shirt. I have a couple of their ankle skimmer skinnies (black and chinese blue) and I love wearing these.
I like those ruby wine jeans Jimjamatron ! I think I'm between the sizes that they have in stock though .
I got this from TopShop recently. Lovely. It's actually deep red and deep green but looks red and black in the pic. Perfect colours for me.
Lipstick recommendation - Topshop lipstick (yes really, it's great quality) in Beguiled is a fab vampy plum. They have other vampy shades at the moment but have not tried them. I'm currently on the hunt for a dark red though - for some reason this seems to be quite hard to find! Nothing purpleish or burgundy, like the colour of this photo? Maybe a shade deeper. MUA Luxe lip lacquer in the red shade looks good in the tube but it's not as deep when on.
I like the skirt Givemeaminute. I love all the tartan stuff that is in the shops. They have the skinny khakis in a similar ruby wine colour in more sizes here I have tried those on in store and they are a similar shape to the ankle zip jeans, a bit less generous on the sizing though - I find Gap Jeans quite big size wise.
Yes, MissScatterbrain, I did go a bit mad -partly because I hadn't been shopping for months and partly fuelled by 40% discount including off sale stuff. Feel like I am pretty sorted for basics now, I just need a few bits that have more of a personality. Maybe I should do the style day.
Great shopping jim
I bought this hat today. I totally love it. I have black and grey hats but oh my, the navy really helps light up my face. Who knew that colours on your head could ate such a difference too?
face who are you on pintetest? I've just seen that you're starting a winter dramatic gamine board. Not my style but I do love following anything with winter colours.
This is my Pinterest board
Am trying to go for clothes that are my colours, clothing personality and body shape. I've sent it to my consultant too to see if she has any thoughts. The gamine look is quite specific and since I'm not particularly petite there are several elements to it that I can't pull off, so I'm working with some quite strict parameters, I think!
You all hate it! <sob>
Face I love the Celtic wolf brooch! I think I tend to go for dresses myself rather than separates, and would rather keep black for funerals - unfortunately the shops I can shop in (plus size shops) love black to cover us fatties up. At least I look good in black!
Thank you Little. Dresses really feel like dressing up to me, still. I think I need to change my mindset about that...
Maybe try shorter dresses with thicker leggings and boots? Just a step up from tunics with trousers or jeggings.
I don't wear leggings as I feel really scruffy in these and hate how I look in these.
In winter I wear thick woolly type tights as I wear above the knee skirts and dresses a lot of the time (my legs are my best assets).
Face - I find looking at clothes without a model wearing these difficult. Its easier to view clothes when these are being worn as you get an idea of how to style these and how to make these work as an outfit.
Love the bracelets
I find it hard to find dresses that are short enough not to dwarf me (I am short) but also properly cover my bum! Hence the leggings
How interesting Miss! I find looking at clothes on models much more difficult because I keep thinking about how SHE looks in it, and can't make the translation to me at all.
Face I'm the same as MissS, I find it hard to tell what clothes are like when they're not being worn. Though your board is far more useful than mine really cos you can tell where the clothes are from! I love the brooches too, esp the Rennie Mackintosh ones.
LittleBabyPigsus have you looked at Mac Russian Red for a dark red lipstick? Kate Moss Rimmel Lipstick in 01 is very very similar, but a tad brighter (and I hate the smell of it.)
Would I be a bad winter if I bought this damson purse? I LOVE the leather colour, but it has gold hardwear (quite a pale, cool gold though??) and a dark brown strap...
I think you'll get away with you being a sultry winter and also the gold hardwear is not shiny as ts been scruffed (not sure what the technical term is).
Good point MissS, shiny gold would be much more obvious and harder to pull off. I have ordered it...just to have a look at it, mind
Oh you bad winter elizabeth .
Love your board face
My consultant said your colours should be 80% of what you are wearing, so a bit of a pattern is ok. Using that theory the bag is fine (although it is sold out- unless you bought it).
Kosher thanks, I keep forgetting about the '80% rule'! I feel even better about it now. The bag was showing as sold out, but I emailed them to ask if they happened to have one lying around, and they do
Thanks Jimjamatron ! I'll try those ones and see how I get on.
Just had an email re Boden's sale - nothing for me but did see lots of pretty blouses...
I didn't even bother looking. There was nothing tempting me before the sale and I often find the sale isn't as good value as some of the discount codes that are floating about.
Bought this today...
Nice scarf ginger
I just can't get on with Boden. I've ordered a few things previously but never kept anything. Can't be arsed with it anymore although I do love browsing through the catalogue.
Elizabeth I find MAC lipstick too drying, sorry!
I agree, mac lipstick is terribly drying.
This is interesting from London make up girl who was a bright winter and is now a zyla soft winter.
Posted too soon! Her colours are now so different to her previous bright winter colours. I'm happy with the colours I've got but I'd almost be intrigued to see what a different system would put me in.
That's strange Queen, you wouldn't think that golden greens, beiges and peacock would suit a winter, but she must be very in between seasons. Even if I hadn't had my colours done I know I'd look awful in those colours.
I'd look awful in beiges and golden tones too. Very odd how you can go from the bright colours to those.
I also think the theory behind it seems a bit odd. If you wear colours that match the red of your fingertips, surely thats going to bring out every blotch and blemish in your skin? And, for example, my eyes look deep brown and striking in winter colours, but they have bits of sludgy, dull green in them as well as the brown, which comes out if I put khaki or gold next to them, making my whole face look washed out and weaker (because I don't have the warmth in my skin of an autumn, who would glow in those colours).
Just realised I didn't explain my point about eyes very well - the theory she describes looks closely at eyes and picks out colours from them, but if those colours don't work with your skin that's not going to look great is it?
I've been away for a bit but going to catch up on the thread...
just wanted to say, Face I love your board - I am also a winter dramatic gamine!
off to read thread now....
I understood what you were talking about elizabeth! I've never studied my eyes closely so have absolutely no idea what colours I'd end up with. I'll stick with my bright winter. What I'm finding hard though is it seems to be at odds with being an ingenue natural. I think the ingenue part suits pastels and muted colours and I associate natural with autumnal colours. Winter seems to suit dramatic so much better.
It seems that pastels may be in for next s/s so I'm hoping that we may find some icy stuff in the shops.
Are there particular shapes associated with ingenue and natural? Is it that those kinds of shapes tend to come in softer colours? I can see how that would be tricky. Are you going to start to experiment with different clothes outside of your usual, like dresses etc? I can imagine vintagey style dresses would be quite ingenue-ish and would be easy to find in bright colours, eg the sort of dresses Mod Cloth sells. Not sure if that's your style though.
Queen, what about broderie anglaise - ingenue and white, blue, hot pink
I decided to try not wearing foundation and powder this morning - I felt like I was looking too made up but wasn't sure how it would be since my skin isn't great.
So I tried it and I look okay! I do still have a few small spots but the fact that I'm wearing my colours and have a bit of lippy and mascara on is enough for today (admittedly I am not at the school gates since my daughter is ill). Quite possibly I actually look better since not being overly made up. The redness of the spots just doesn't stand out because everything else makes my skin look better. Hurrah for HOC! I will keep an eye on how I look without it but this could be a lovely new thing.
I often don't bother with foundation. I use a BB or CC cream instead or if I'm having a particularly good skin day then just use a primer or highlighter (I like the Estée Lauder Idealist skin Illuminator stuff)
Thanks all. face I love those tops you linked to and elizabeth I'd never looked at modcloth before but there's some lovely dresses. I'd love to start wearing dresses more now that I have more of and idea what to go for. I need nothing too structured so either a sort of a line shift dress or something with ruching/draping about the hips/waist. I'd prefer to buy in a shop though but so far haven't seen anything I like. The broderie angliaise tops linked are spot on. I love blouses and anything with pretty detailing is perfect. I guess it's more of a summer material though anyway so I'm hoping to find lots next year!
Can anyone enlighten me as to what my HoC sultry winter translates to in 12blueprints? Is it deep or dark winter? I have very dark eyes and hair with light olive skin. Thanks
I think its dark winter but I'm not 100% sure
I have a neutral skintone and a 12blueprints bright winter and cannot get my head around beige working. At all. Or choosing colours that suit you based on your veins
I don't understand the veins thing either. The veins on my arm go from greenish further up my arm, to light blue, to deep violet on my wrist I think there's a bit too much 'theory' on 12 Blueprints and not enough 'does that colour make you look nice? Wear it then.'
London Makeup Girl isn't going by 12blueprints, but Zyla, but kind of agree re 12blueprints. On the other hand, 12blueprints has neutral seasons as well as warm or cool which is helpful for me.
Queenie this popped up in my ads and I thought of you.
That's nice face. Although I should steer clear of v necks and go for softly rounded necks instead.
I like 12 blueprints but can't always understand what she's talking about .
As for the veins thing, it's as bizarre as looking intensely at your eyes
can you tell I've had a drink
I saw some black broderie anglais in Jack Wills today Queen, it was v nice (similar shape to the tops Face linked). I was returning a black lace skirt that I don't need...
Due to illness/Christmas holidays I'm mostly in my pyjamas nowadays - should I be proud of the fact that they're in good colours for me (royal blue)?
the tshirt is from a beer festival how classy
I'm sure we've probably had this conversation before but what's your perfect red nail varnish...?
Oh I love that cardigan! I am horrendous at painting my nails so can't help there!
Perfect red is decadence by creative. It's done as polish, shellac and vinylux. It's a beautiful shimmer free, blue toned red. I totally heart it.
queen I've got the blues for you, OPI. A dark cheery red nail varnish
At the moment its Barry M's Red Wine - a vampy dark red. I also have Tinseltown from them to use as a top coat to add sparkle.
I also love Rimmel's Celebrity Bash - a bright red.
My favourite reds are, in order of brightest to darkest:
Essie Lacquered Up - amazing, very bright red, best application/finish of any nail polish I've ever had
OPI Vodka and Caviar - just beautiful, classic blue-red, shiny jelly finish
OPI Quarter of a Cent Cherry (very similar to Got the Blues for Red, but I find Got the Blues a bit patchy even after two coats)
Essie Bordeaux - very shiny and jelly-like (I love glassy, jelly finishes)
Chanel Rouge Noir (maybe too dark to count as red but has red in its name!)
Also love China Glaze Ruby Pumps - deep red and very glittery, it glows!
I also love the colour (and name!) of CND Bloodline - and it even specifies 'cool' on the bottle. Very helpful In fact I've nearly finished the bottle, which is always a sign of a good polish! Same goes for Essie Lacquered Up, it's nearly all gone.
Queen, yes that's the top I meant! Didn't look at the price That's rather a lot for a simple cotton top.
Excellent Christmas cardi!
Thanks for the nail polish recommendations. I have mavala New Delhi but wanted something a bit brighter to wear for Christmas although I'm not going shopping again. Dh is going this afternoon though. Wonder if I could persuade him to pop into boots...
Well I just got back from my HOC colour analysis. I am incredibly shocked that she 'diagnosed' me as winter. Probably burnished winter but I was pretty even between that and jewel or sultry winter. She was also very surprised. She initially thought summer which I was surprised at as I assumed I would be spring but I kept thinking I looked best in the winter colours and in the end she came to the same conclusion.
I am nothing like a winter though! I have dark blonde hair, grey blue eyes although my skin is very alabaster like (I always get comments on how great my skin in and I think it is partly because it is pale but very even coloured).
My best colours were navy, mole, charcoal, royal purple, electric blue, scarlet and several of the ice colours.
I have actually been drawn to many of the colours in my wallet before and have a few tops in those colours as they looked so good. But all my makeup is brown and my hair is highlighted. I had darker hair before (medium brown) but looked dull and mousy so no idea where to go with hair and makeup from now on! The lipsticks she gave me to try made me look like a transvestite. I NEVER wear lipstick and the red, bright pink and burgundy look horrendous and make my teeth look yellow
Ooh, that is very surprising AngryFeet! And I am jealous of your skin! What did she advise about hair colour? If you don't like darker, maybe you're fine sticking with highlights or could experiment with going even lighter? Blonde winters are less common, but they're out there! (e.g. QueenCadbury)
Loads of us hated the recommended lipsticks - that's definitely something to get used to over time and experiment with.
Welcome angry. Nice set of colours. Don't worry too much about the lipstick at this stage. Dh told me I looked like an old lady when I returned with the red lippy on and although I wasn't happy with him at the time, I do now concede that he had a point . I've realised that I need to go for bright colours but sheer and shiny rather than full on matte.
If you're not sure about hair colour then email your consultant for advice or start a thread asking for hopefully or travel to advise. I'm a natural blonde and at this time of year it goes fairly dark. I look much better in the summer when the sun bleaches it and it goes white blonde (which is what I was until I was about 12).
Re the hair colour she advised going darker with no red tones or very light ash blonde. I really don't think dark suits me and I am wary of using to much bleach in my hair to make it lighter as I have seen friends with hair breaking at the roots due to over bleaching. I am going to try and find a photo of me so you can see what I mean. Part of me wonders if she diagnosed me wrong and I am actually summer but those winter colours looked amazing and made my features stand out.
Angry - do you have to colour your hair? Can't you go au natural? If not, go for light ash blonde tones - as close as possible to your natural colour.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
I was very pale blonde until I was about 12 so maybe that would suit me better than dark?
Maybe once you're wearing the right colours and make up that your hair won't look so dull when natural? Sounds weird but my hair definitely looks better when I'm wearing my right colours.
Also, don't worry about seeming 'wintery'. elizabeth has seen a photo of me and will vouch that I look nothing like a typical winter. I'm blonde, blue eyed and low contrast! As a sprinter winter (ie going into spring) I'm neutral/cool colouring. Maybe you're on the autumn side of winter and re also fairly neutral?
If anything I am on the border of summer and winter - I really don't suit the warm tones at all. Thank god as my wedding and engagement rings are platinum!
Yes maybe the natural look will look better with winter colours. I am wearing a summer tone top in that pic which won't help.
YY to what Queen says - you will look better when wearing winter colours and this includes make up.
Earlier in this thread we were talking about how we had to use the wrong coloured make up e.g bronzer etc to warm us up when wearing yellow based colours such as mustard. No wonder I looked shite some of the time
Yes maybe. I guess I am just concerned she got me wrong. I am 80% sure she was right but there were a couple of summers that suited me better than the winters (pink and red tones generally). I think the lipstick thing really got me though. She said it really suited me but it looked AWFUL.
She was wavering between summer and winter as a diagnosis for ages. Decided on summer then changed her mind .
It there any chance the winter light at the moment would make winter things look better? Would I look more like a summer if it was actually summer IYSWIM?
Sorry to keep going on but thought of something else.
I think the summer tones made me look a but warmer (skin looked pinker almost) but winter made my features stand out and look striking. Which is better?
A consultant being unsure and indecisive is unusual I would ask for another go just to reassure myself that winter is indeed the correct season. There are a couple of HoC consultants on the forum - Hopefully and TravellinginColour so maybe if you put a post up asking for their views this?
How do you look in white compared with ivory? Black? Emerald?
Yes she said I was quite unusual. There were not many colours that looked bad on me tbh. White looked better than ivory. Black ok but not great. Emerald looked good. Charcoal looked amazing as did bright red (the cool toned one), mole also looked fab as did navy.
There you go then. If you looked better in white than ivory then you are more likely to be a winter than summer.
Summers can wear navy and the softer shades of greys and pinks etc. So maybe while these did not look awful on you, did not make your eyes pop like the winter colours did.
Really? White looked better than ivory but not amazing. Although she said to not wear much white around my face. I definitely need to go shopping tomorrow for new makeup
I bought this to wear to a xmas do on Saturday www.wallis.co.uk/en/wluk/product/clothing-265973/tops-265992/coral-bow-sleeve-petite-blouse-2535515?bi=1&ps=20. Oops.
IMO the colours that make your features stand out and look more striking are better than ones that warm you up and make you look pinker But you might change your mind when it's actually summer and you want to look warmer and softer rather than wintery and dramatic!
From your first post it sounds like your skin is key to you suiting the winter colours. In one of the colours blogs linked on here (can't remember which right now) there's a post about Megan Fox's colouring that says that although she's not very high contrast, her skin is so luminous and reflective that she looks great in strong winter colours. Assume that's just the opinion of the blogger and based on photos, but kind of makes sense.
I can't wear too much white anymore either but it is a winter colour whereas Ivory is a summer colour and that was why I asked.
The Coral blouse is a Spring colour hope you can change it?
I think I need to work with the lipsticks more to feel comfortable. My hair will have to evolve over time as I just had a full head of highlights and can't afford to do anything else! I do think lighter hair suits me so might head towards very pale and see how it goes. The lipglosses looked much better than the lipsticks. I think the more burgundy end of the spectrum suits me there (although clothes wise it wasn't a great colour on me).
I do like the blonde on you angryfeet and if that's the colour you were as a child then it's your 'natural' colour really ;)
Ha ha true! Although I was platinum blonde as a child.
I had a little stroll by the mac counter and bought Plum Foolery blusher and Vex and Shale eyeshadows. Shale is a great cool/ neutral shade- a soft lavender grey. A great alternative to brown. I'm wearing it now and it's great. I resisted the lipstick urge as although the colours are great, mac lipsticks always dry my lips out.
angry if you're at all unsure I would speak to your consultant as she wouldn't want you to be unhappy. From what you've said it sounds like the winter colours are best for you. It took a while to do mine as for ages we couldn't even decide whether I was cool or warm! Once we'd decided I'm cool none of the summer colours looked bad but the winter bright colours definitely looked best. If you do go back to her use the opportunity to play around with the different lipsticks too. Mi came home from my session with the red one but after emailing her afterwards I bought a fushia one which is so much better on me. With the make up I've come to the conclusion that it depends on your style personality too. For me, make up that's too over done doesn't fit in with the ingenenue natural style hence I look drag queen ish. I need a bright lipstick but a natural looking one iyswim so sheer, translucent rather than opaque.
Try the revlon lip butters in raspberry pie and red velvet too angry
While we're on lips, I've just rediscovered Estée Lauder Chaotic Currant lip gloss, which I bought soon after having my colours done. Great for sultry winters especially. It's dark and plummy, but sheer. And great if you're feeling intimidated by/can't be arsed with lipstick.
Am sure this bag was £109 a few weeks ago. Mentioned on thread by QueenC. Considering buying. Not seen in real life tho.
Oh.. That is a lovely bag. Very tempting.
Yep, I'm sure it was £109 too! It's very nice but a little paler than I'd like. My search for a grey bag continues!
Yes ginger it was definitely more expensive. Buy it!!
I bought two lipsticks today (both recommended on another lipstick thread): Collection 2000 in Prohibition and Maybelline Superstay Red Passion.
I'm very impressed with Prohibition. I thought it would be a darker wine red but on me it's more of a dark pinky red and two coats looks almost a dark fuchsia. God staying power too.
The Maybelline one is a much brighter, truer red. Very nice but more of an evening lipstick (for me anyway).
Interestingly, earlier today I put on No7 High Shine Lip Crayon in Statement which I bought just after my colour day. At the time it seemed quite vibrant but after wearing proper reds and fuchsias for the last month it now looks really pale on me! If anyone would like it then please let me know!
Ha ha, bought the collection lipstick as well - its a lovely dark red on me, not at all pinkish on me. Made my eyes pop
I've just blotted the Collection again and applied another coat and it's a bit darker. I love it! This could be my new daytime lipstick (alternating with Chanel Rouge Coco Shine in Suspense).
I have bought the bag! I had some birthday money left so I have bought it! Free delivery.
Can return easily to local store if not nice in real life!
sorrell I want that collection lipstick too but it's out of stock online and my small local boots didn't have it. It's weird how you get used to bright lipsticks quickly. I don't use lip butter berry smoothie anymore as it's too pale.
ginger report back about the bag.
I do like Prohibition, the colour is perfect. But I'm finding it really drying and a little uncomfortable on my lips, so it's not my holy grail every day lipstick unfortunately. Funny how I seem to be the only person who doesn't find Mac lipsticks drying, but Prohibition is! All Body Shop and most Clinique and Chantecaille lipsticks are drying on me too, so maybe there's an ingredient I'm sensitive to.
There's some lovely winter coloured stuff in the other stories sale. I'm umming and aaahing about the purple scarf.
I've just come back from seeing frozen. I've been admiring elsa's gorgeous winter colouring. She looks gorgeous in her ice blue dress and dark lips. Shame she's only an animated character
I'm pretty sure I am really behind the times, but someone recommended Rimmel's Numner 1 lipstick (part of a 'Kate' range) and I bought it today and it is a gorgeous colour. Perfect red. I've only had it on ten minutes so will review staying power later, but the flavour is lush and it went on well.
V happy with it so far. Could become an expensive habit, couldn't it?
Hello lovely ladies. Hope you've all had lovely Christmas'? Any nice presents to report?
I nipped to the shops today whilst ice skating at the local mall and bought the prohibition lipstick. As you all said, it's a fab colour and for me a much nicer consistency than the Kate moss 107.
The bag arrived on Christmas Eve. The colour is true to the pic. I've not had a pose in the mirror yet but I'm not sure about it. The side compartments have a zip up the middle & seem a bit baggy.
It's reduced in the above link but sold out.
Sounds lovely sorrell, like the skirt.
Love the skirt.
Any colour recommendations for Clinique chubby lipsticks? Looking for an everyday colour. Really don't like my Hoc lipsticks. I had my colours done and was pleased to be a sultry winter but I hardly wear any make up at all except mascara and a tinted lip balm so really not happy to be wearing such thick lipsticks in such heavy colours - thought Clinique balm might be softer on the eye?
Dark brown hair and eyes and sallow/pale-olive skin.
Really like the skirt Sorrell. Wish I could justify something as glamorous and lovely, but never go anywhere. Your outfit sounds perfect for a house party.
I don't usually go anywhere either! It was £18 on the sale and I doubt if I would have paid full price (£42) for it.
Well have the DC with us so I doubt we'll make it past 10!
I'll second the EL chaotic current rec. it was great for breaking me in gently back when I first got my colours done. I need more options really - I alternate between Kate moss 001 and the HoC burgundy
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Hello Winters! Can I join the group? As my name suggests I am a jewel winter.
Hi all, hope you all had lovely Christmases! And welcome AsBright - when were you diagnosed?
I did get a nice winter-appropriate Xmas present. My MIL bought me this jumper from Next which is a good match for the damson swatch and I think it's lovely!
I also bought myself the red coat I was eyeing up cos it went in the sale. It's gorgeous and fits perfectly - pretty lucky given that I didn't see it in the flesh first
Happy Christmas all! I was given an excellent deep red hat (in a very gamine style!) that I love, as well as a grey scarf with blue dots and a blue scarf with grey hearts. I had lots of compliments and felt confident having my picture taken, which was a really nice feeling.
ElizabethBathory I wish I'd seen that top in my local Next yesterday instead of a sea of cream lacy blouses! Sold out on-line too.
Picked up this in silver for £12.
Hello! Had a HoC session a few months ago and am a jewel winter. Have been enjoying gradually ditching the browns, creams etc from my wardrobe and gradually filling it with lovely purples, deep reds, dark greens etc - fortunately some of which were my favourite colours anyway.
Sooo, I have a question for you all - I went shopping for hours and hours today to stock up on warm jumpers in the sales, but about 80% of jumpers (especially the nice thick sort) seemed to be sort of wishy washy colours which really aren't jewel winter at all. And in general, I am much better at choosing the deep jewel-y colours than the pastel / paler colours in my HoC swatch booklet, so I get a bit confused when trying to choose non-dark-jewel colours.
So after hours and hours shopping I came home with ONE jumper (this one, which actually looks quite grey rather than lilac in RL, which is one of my good colours) and a couple [[http://www.oasis-stores.com/longsleeve-fit-and-flare-dress//oasis/fcp-product/3660040521 of these jumper dresses in dark green and burgundy.
There were quite a few thin cotton jumpers in winter colouring, but I need something warm!
Any tips for finding winter coloured, but thick, jumpers?
I was diagnosed about six months ago, but have only just found you all. I'm not doing too badly at organising my colours but I'm not buying much in the way of new clothes as I'm on a diet! 8lbs down and about a stone to go! My best colours are black, grey, red then the brights - blue, purple, cerise.
Lovely red coat & damson jumper EB
Fab sequin skirt - burgundy would look good with it (along with matching lippy and nails!).
Welcome to the newbies - look forward to reading about your purchases
Re thick jumpers - have you tried Woolovers? I tend to stick to dark navy, charcoal and black for jumpers and use jewel colours as accents.
Think there are some clinique lippy suggestions on this or the last thread - try doing a search.
OMG the Christmas pictures showed just how disastrous my hair is looking at the moment. Dyeing my grey has actually lifted some of the brown out of my hair. I have two inch roots of dark ashy brown with less than 5% grey in and then the rest is still brown but has this awful gingery tone that just does not look good, even with black malva. I need a colour that will take evenly and not add any more lift to it. I feel I may be looking for something that doesn't exist.
Have you tried a light ash brown dye?
I have in the past. The issue is the developers lift the brown out of my hair, so once the dye has faded I'm left with awful looking coppery brown. Or I have the other problem that they deposit unevenly in my hair.
I'm in the same boat KB. After a wash or two my hair looks gold and coppery in the sun. Indoors it looks dark but outside it looks awful - to me! My hairdresser says if I use a dark ash brown I'll go olive
miss not sure how to search for a lipstick suggestion in a thread
There is masses I like on Espirit at the moment. Can anyone comment on their quality, sizing and customer service, please?
I agree with people about hair colour problems. I am a chosen blonde as it covers all my grey well and (I think) goes very well with my older pale skin, blue eyes and freckles. However, since being diagnosed I'm trying to tone down the golden blonde to a more ash blonde colour, which looks OK when first done, but a few weeks later the golden/coppery colours come out. Last time the hairdresser put a toner over my colour to take out some of the gold but it didn't last. I have a horrible feeling the only way to negate this is to go darker.
AsBrightAsAJewel Blimey, loads of lovely stuff on there! Do you think this in Delft Blue is vibrant enough for a Jewell Winter?
Actually, I'm trying not to buy anything until after my style day
I've been holding my colour wallet up to the screen trying to work that out SorrelForbes! It seems a bit lighter, but brighter than swatch 11 (my 100% **), so it may be worth a try. I am more tempted by the Fire Red, the various grey shades and black items.
I've had my style day (so impressed with colour day I booked it the month after), but I'm trying to avoid buying too much until I've lost the last 14lbs! Trouble is I need clothes for the colder weather and I'm struggling with matching my shape advice, my style (gamine) with flattering clothes for my size 16 body that disguise certain areas. Oh and suit my age (no spring chicken!).
AsBright I think that fire red is too orangey, sorry! And I'm not sure about the blue. I have a thread about being gamine with a not particularly gamine body shape and had some useful advice on there. I will bump it for you. Am also waiting to lose some more weight but am happily buying from Primark and pinning to Pinterest in the meantime!
Sultry To find things in a thread, press the 'show all messages button' and then just search on the page for 'clinique' or 'lipstick' or similar.
You are probably right, Face . But at least it prevents me spending money!
asbright there was a thread recently about esprit and I think most vouched for the quality. Not sure about the blue. Although the swatch for one of the blues isn't as bright as the brightest if that makes sense (is it royal blue nd electric blue I'm thinking of?)
face please tell me where the show all messages button is. I have all the messages showing (450 on one page) when I put Clinique in the serach box at the top of the page I'm searching the whole of mumsnet
I bought chubby stick in 'pudgy peony' today - it's a loud pink but with a balm texture
Chanell 55 Romance made me look sick. It's too light for me.
I found nothing else to spend my money on today. Saw a lovely dress in fat face but it was really muted. I would have bought it in a heartbeat before getting my colours done but today I resisted.
If all messages are already showing then hit CTRL+F to do the find all - this is part of the browser's functionality rather than, MN then, iyswim. So then the browser will just look for all instances of the word on whatever page you are browsing.
Does that make sense?
Thanks, Queen, thread found now. I'm always so confused by colours on websites, so I'll stick to black and grey which I (hopefully) can't get too wrong this time. Will order tonight and let you all know what it's like when it arrives.
face you're a genius - thanks SO much! I just learned a very neat little trick thanks to you! x
sultry <bows modestly> <bit shy>
Queen and other ice winters, I'm interested in seeing if I can start recognising pale wintery colours as I might need them for accents, underneath other things, etc. So can you comment on [http://www.esprit.co.uk/women/trends-specials/flash-colours/stretchy-fine-knit-cardigan-123EE1I002_636 this pale pink cardigan]]?
this lavender one I think is a bit dusty
this blue top looks icy to me
this looks like an icy aqua to me
Sorry, link fail
this pale pink cardigan
They all look a bit pastel to me face my ice colours are pretty much silver with a barest glimpse of the colour in.
The links you have are quite defined colours. Or is it my ageing eyesight?
If anyone is looking for a warm, colourful jumper, I got this for Christmas. In the rich rose / blueberry colour, it's a perfect match for the raspberry in the HoC winter swatches. They do other styles in the same colour.
That looks lovely but not my shape sadly.
Thanks for the advice about ice colours - as I said I'm struggling!
Oooh, ooh! The Woolovers site has a facility to find other jumpers in that colour! And it turns out they do loads of different shape jumpers in that lovely rose colour (which is one of my two star colours) so yay! And thank you!
Bought some cobalt blue things at CC today and some bright pink/black fine knits from Planet. I'm not too fussed if they're not exact matches to my swatch, it's enough that I understand I need to go brighter.
I used my HoC CC card and got an extra 10% off. My navy trousers went from 99.90 to £35.91 RESULT!
HoC CC card sultrywinter????
Yes, I got given a card at my colour consult which entitles me to 15% off generally at CC/Austin Reed/Viyella and even 10% in the sales.
I didn't know I could use it in the sales - I just asked and she said yes!
Not sure if it can be at the concession places like JL. This was a CC shop.
I'm at the age to like CC!
Whoops, that sounded rude; didn't imply you were too sultry. It is just that their style suits my life stage and work wardrobe.
CC stuff suits my neat/tailored style. I like it for non-patterned things.
No worries - I'm pushing 50 myself!
I have a few years on you sultry, but I agree it suits my neat tailored style for the office. I don't like much pattern so their clothes are ideal.
Another recently diagnosed jewel winter. My HOC consultant said Winters aren't that common but there seem to be loads of Winters here!
I am joining in with a quick Woolovers question. I'm thinking of getting a few jumpers, probably navy and charcoal and possibly a rich rose as I saw upthread that it's a good match for one of the swatches. Do you think either of these are Winter colours?
Hi nowhere the marine green doesn't look bright or deep enough to be a winter green, to me. It looks soft and a bit blue-green rather than pine or emerald. The cerise looks a possibility though.
It's funny your consulatant said winters are quite rare, we seem to be very well represented on MN! But most people I know in real life are autumns.
Oh - happy new year winters
Can I ask if anybody has seen this in the indigo floral? Does it look like a winter colour?
I'm ordering a couple of the Emma tops at £10.50 each for work and am debating ordering the jumper too.
Glad you've found something that suits, face ! I love that colour.
Thanks Elizabeth! I'll avoid the marine green then.
Since my session I've bought black and indigo jeans to replace my old and faded ones, but that's it. I already had a few tops and cardigans in the right colours, but I think a lot of my navy is too summery (that's what the consultant said about the top I wore to the appointment).
I'm hoping to do the style day soonish, so don't want to buy too much straight away.
Today I am wearing - a bright/hot pink long sleeved top, a teal tube skirt, grey leggings and a stripy scarf that picks up these colours and adds pop.
I saw some kids hair accessories in the chemist yesterday that included an emerald green kirby grip - think I will pop back and get them "for my daughter" today.
I thought yesterday that I could see why people would choose their clothes for the next day the night before - not because it is an chore that should be dealt with but because it is FUN and NICEn and a pleasure to think about clothes.
Wow. Such a turnaround since a few months ago. Loving it.
Face, sounds good! Can I ask about teal? Because there is nothing remotely teal in my HoC swatches, I had assumed that teal is not a winter colour but then I was looking at the Kettlewell sale catalogue which arrived today and noticed that they class their deep teal colour as summer, autumn and winter and sometimes spring too!!!
How can one colour be all seasons? And why is it not in the swatches? Perhaps I shouldn't have ditched my teal clothes, although they were probably a more muted teal than the strong teal in the Kettlewell catalogue.
I am also confused about teal
I don't think I look good in teal. It definitely isn't as good as other clearer blues. I don't think it is terrible on some people but it just isn't great on me. Certainly proper turquoise makes me look a bit unwell. Darker teal is okay.
But a skirt is not near my face and clashes nicely with the pink.
All these systems are different, aren't they, so it is about figuring out what gives you that big boost like the really good colours marked as two star by the consultant.
But Kettlewell and HoC should agree with each other, surely! I definitely don't look great in most teals, but can see how a really deep, rich one would work on a winter.
Found some great bits in a charity shop today. Woollen narrow houndstooth scarf in proper black and white. Incredibly bright blue narrow chiffon-y scarf. Would never have touched either of these but the houndstooth in particular I am delighted with. Medium weight grey scarf for warmth. And a sort of velvety posh wine coloured scarf from Wallis. Two quid each.
PLUS a fitted black shirt - exactly what a dramatic gamine jewel winter should be wearing but I owned exactly zero fitted shirts so am delighted with this. Hurrah!
Has anyone tried anything from the Besame cosmetics range? I'm quite tempted by this
I bought this in vibrant pink, it rocks!
Re teal - there is a shade called Sea Green (I think) that's in the summer palette and a similar one in the Autumn one.
I think some winters can wear a very strong bold teal with black -I used to have a lovely teal top which sadly faded after one wash too many.
I bought the revlon lip butter in lollipop today with my boots points. My next purchase when I have enough points will be mavala nail polish in amethyst.
Saw this coat in hobbs and was salivating
Gorgeous coat Queen!
I took off my sparkly red Christmas nail polish today and replaced it with Leighton Denny Miss Behavin. It's such a perfect shimmery midnight blue and always looks blue rather than black, unlike some other dark blues like Blue Satin.
I love the shimmer and the dark blue.
Gorgeous coat. Bought a classic black trench mac in the sales - not very exciting but I love how I look in it and I can stop wearing my parka which I feel is too scruffy for me.
Nail colours lovely. I like a bright colour on my toes, but am not the best at putting it on my fingernails. Combo of toddler, chips after a day & can't wear it to work so not worth lots of effort.
I have bought Dior Glow for nails glow. Mixed reviews, but I love it. 2 coats, with not the steadiest hand, give my nails a very natural pink glow and I just feel more made up even though its subtle. The pink bit looks pinker & white, whiter. It's more intense in natural light.
I returned the bag and also various bits & bobs that family got me for Christmas that were the wrong colours. So now I have more vouchers, plus a pair of black boots (silver buckle) and black fine jumper from items that were exchange only.
Am also pregnant! So might wardrobe transformation may be on hold a bit longer as I feel it makes it even harder and I hate not getting wear out of clothes. Big shopping trip once baby is a few months old I think. For now I will be sticking to accessories.
Thanks for the thoughts re teal. I suppose a strong teal might be fine as halfway between navy and dark green? I tend to suit the darker winter colours so I might give it a go and see how it looks. I'm hoping to go back for a style day so I will see what the consultant thinks. She is also a winter so that might be extra helpful.
I too have taken off my sparkly dark red nail varnish - my nails look very bare! I might need to try something else dark, but perhaps not as sparkly!
No sparkly nails here either - loved having these during the festive season though. Wearing wine red by Barry M but will probably go for navy next time these need doing.
Let me know what your consultant says about teal - bet she says no way though....
I wish I'd asked for Dior nail glow for Christmas.
That's a good comparison Miss Scatterbrain. I found this webpage which shows dark teal as a deep autumn colour. Makes sense when you compare it to petrol blue. I wonder why Kettlewells have it as ok for winters though? I will ask when I go back for style.
Let me know what she says Givemeaminute.
Has anyone bought anything exciting in the sales? I am so glad Spring stock is starting to come into the shops - does anyone have their eye on anything?
I had a quick look at Boden's spring catalogue and there was nothing at all that I fancied trying on.
I fancy a new breton top but can't find anything I like yet although spotted a few on Atterley Road but all have sold out...
I am starting to get bored of wearing dark nail polish but it does not feel right to move onto bright red/shocking pink yet (esp since I know I will be fed up with these colours by the time summer starts).
I have bought this lip salve in the cherry. It's very cheap, moisturising, has SPF & just gives a light red bit of colour.
MissScatterbrain maybe just go for sheer white/silver/opal glitters, maybe even just glittery top coats on their own? Feels wintery but lighter.
Hello ladies. This beauty blogger has jut been diagnosed as a sultry winter so it may be worth seeing what she comes up with and recommends.
Thanks for the tip. I am now following her, QC.
Just saw that Isabi have some very flowy winter colour clothes in their sale - not for me, but maybe for someone else!
Have recently ordered a white shirt from Uniqlo and emerald green chiffon scarf. Am considering getting back into earrings but my ears are so sensitive I think I need to go for titanium or sterling silver or something else really hypoallergenic.
I know this HoC thing is supposed to save me money but I am enjoying shopping so much now I don't see why I'd want to stop.
Is this top an ice blue? Think it would look nice with a grey suit, for instance.
tries to justify it even though she doesn't even work.
Right it's controversial, but I've been diagnosed a Summer when I really really think I'm a Winter. I'm definitely cool, but I just feel so drawn to all these links, and I feel meh about all the Summer ones. What do I do?
Go back to your consultant and ask to be double checked - did you see how your face lit up when you were diagnosed?
It looks like a very cool pale blue and I would wear it under a grey suit.
I kind of did a bit, but then there were several colours where she was like "ooh no I don't like you in that" when I thought I looked good
It was over a year ago that I had it done so I'd feel silly going back to her now
face that looks ice blue to me. I really want an ice blue blouse. It's a good colour for me.
mad that's a hard one. I can see why you wouldn't want to go back. What are your best summer colours? Which winter ones are you drawn too? Are there any summer colours that you put on and feel wow in? How do you look in pure black or white?
I always assumed that I would be a summer and I often wore the cool muted shades. Even now I'm often drawn to them in the shops and although they don't look bad they don't look wow like some of the bright winter colours.
Oh, forgot to say that I found a random emerald belt in gap today in the sale for 4 quid. They also had cobalt. I'd never seen them before and they definitely weren't last seasons stock. Goodness knows how old it is but I'm very happy with it!
Well to take lipsticks as an example, I look fab in really bright fuscias and reds and disappear a bit in the summer lipsticks.
I love wearing black and white
I look better in iced colours than pastels...
My ** colours include rose madder and pale pink but when I ordered tops in those colours from kettlewell they just look meh
It just doesn't feel right.
My hair is dark, my skin is pale neutral and my eyes are green.
Mad - I really would consider going back for a re-rate, explain you do not feel right in your new colours and would like to check with her why this could be so. £100 is a lot of money not to mention the "mistake" purchases you might be making.
Do you think so? Will she not think I'm being cheeky and trying to get something for nothing?
Now you've said all that mad I would definitely contact her. At the very worst she will tell you to bugger off but she's more likely to want you to be happy with your diagnosis. I would just email her and say that you've been living as a summer for 12m but it doesn't feel right and see what she says.
Meant to add, where there other people at your consultation? Wht did they think?
No I was on my own queen
I will email her <wibble>
Thanks for the advice
Hiya, Just wondering if anyone has any burgundy lipstick recommendations? The HoC one is good but just a bit too...much... for every day I think. I'd like a slightly softer sort of burgundy. Does that exist? For less than a tenner? Thanks all!
I love Bordeaux colorburst gloss by Revlon