Dithering about Botox. Cancelled twice. Help me make my mind up!!

(86 Posts)
Smugsmuggler Thu 10-Oct-13 17:06:42

Right, so at 39 my 11s are starting to be quite evident. Not deep but present when my face is relaxed. And I'd like to age "naturally" (i.e. never look like I have had anything done), but much more slowly than I am doing. Some of it that I have finally lot weight, sorted out my skin, got my colours done, and I would just like to look my absolute best now...

So I keep booking Botox, and I keep chickening out..
1. Will I look obviously Botoxed?
2. Will it feel funny when I try and frown?
3. Am I starting too early?
4. Is it worth the money?
5. Is it morally and ethically defensible?<just a small question>
6. Will my husband notice?

I have asked few of these questions on here a few years ago when it was just a distant pipe dream, but I'm going round in circles now....

hellymelly Thu 10-Oct-13 17:10:40

I am ten years older than you, and I have opted not to have it. I want to keep my full range of expression, I think it is really sad somehow to lose that, like losing half your speech. If there was something that truly would soften my 111s (or maybe 111111s) without any loss of facial movement then maybe I would go for it, but I just don't like the look of botox. It also makes the rest of the face look more knackered somehow!

feelinlucky Thu 10-Oct-13 17:12:51

No one will notice you've had Botox, you'll just look and feel better that the lines are less defined. They probably won't disappear entirely. You won't feel any different really. It practically painless and the effect us fabulous. You won't see any difference for a few days. You'll love it and never look back. Go for it girlfriend smile

hellymelly Thu 10-Oct-13 17:13:38

So my answers in order would be.
1.Yes.
2. I have no idea, but it will look funny.
3.Umm..?
4.No. I think a great hair cut makes more of a difference in looking good.
5. Interesting. No. (imho)
6. Probably, but possibly not, is he an observant chap?

noddyholder Thu 10-Oct-13 17:13:44

I am 47 and first had it at 44. I have it very 7 or 8 months and I can still move my face No one has ever notice i have it even v close friends I only have forehead done and half the usual amount. My dp knows so he obviously notices but I told my family one xmas I had had it and they didn't believe me.I like that I can be make up free with it

feelinlucky Thu 10-Oct-13 17:14:33

You definitely don't lose movement with just your elevensies. I can still move mine and I don't look remotely frozen. Just elevensies leaves your forehead with most of your movement and expression.

noddyholder Thu 10-Oct-13 17:14:43

No hair cut face cream etc can make such a difference although they can make a difference

bishboschone Thu 10-Oct-13 17:17:46

I think it's hideous , I'm the same age as you and quite happy with my face . It isn't perfect but who's is ? Everyone on tv has funny stretched foreheads and they still look old but stretched .. I think the ones that look young just have great genes to be honest ,also there is the whole injecting poison into your face dilemma ?

noddyholder Thu 10-Oct-13 17:19:38

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noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 09:03:55

Thanks MN that pic had my name on it!

SundaySimmons Fri 11-Oct-13 09:15:14

I had it and have stopped. My ex at the time started commenting on my looking smug all the time.

It also felt a bit odd. I will not have it again.

McLoven Fri 11-Oct-13 09:29:30

Botox is great but I think the key to success is choosing a really well trained & experienced injector, and when you have your initial consultation you should stress to him / her that you want a natural look. The frozen look is totally avoidable.

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 09:33:25

I agree when I first had it I had the full vial and since have had half. I also went to a doctor not a beautician He is a surgeon and very experienced. I must admit after a year and a half you can reduce the am§ount and frequency

cardamomginger Fri 11-Oct-13 10:13:27

I have had Botox since I turned 40 and wish i had done it years ago. I have always had very visible frown lines, right from when I was a teenager, and I felt very self-conscious about it. I get my frown lines, 11s and 'laughter' lines done. It get it done 2-3 times a year by a consultant dermatologist. I wouldn't go to someone who wasn't a dermatologist.

To answer your questions:

1. If it is done well, no. My doctor aims to make it look as natural as possible.
2. The first time I had it done, when it was kicking in over the first few days, it did feel peculiar - especially raising my eyebrows. I'd try to do it and it felt like I'd been at the gym too long and just couldn't lift the weights any more because my muscles were just SO tired. IYSWIM! Didn't notice anything with 11s. Once it kicked in it didn't feel odd at all, and now when I have it again, I don't notice anything.
3. No.
4. Obviously it depends on whether you have the cash to spare. I do and I think it is. Objectively I look better. I look more rested and just fresher.
5. Yes.
6. Who knows!!

Flo56 Fri 11-Oct-13 10:28:42

I think you're starting a battle you are never going to win. Botox might work for the small stuff that no-one but you really notices anyway. But once the years seriously kick in, it's pretty useless because (in my experience anyway) wrinkles are the least of your worries - it's the sagging face and jawline that's the real bummer.

But you can't get it all fixed and, personally, I would rather make the best of who I am now than chase after the girl who's never going to come back. I say spend your money on a dress that will give you such a great shape that no-one will give a toss about your number 11s. It's also a lot more fun than a face full of needles!

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 12:04:04

I do agree with that fio When I first had it I went with a friend as support for her not to have it myself. I am very lucky as genetically all the women in my family look young but my forehead is lined from not wearing my glasses and squinting. The doctor spotted this and said it only really works for dynamic lines and is no good for sun damage and general ageing which is what my friend had! I ended up having it and she didn't! He said my forehead didn't match the rest of my face and I think he was right. I definitely wouldn't have it once the rest of my face really sags as could look daft!

Lazysuzanne Fri 11-Oct-13 12:21:05

If you don't like the effects just stop having it, it'll wear off and it'll be as if you've never had it.

I think most people who have it like the results.

If you base your conclusions on those who have obvious botox then you are bound to be biased against it!

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 12:29:11

Im ten years plus older than you and have been doing face exercises. We work the muscles in our body when we want to tone up, these exercises are working the face muscles, the ones that they pull up when you have a face lift. Not sure why more people don't do it to be honest. I eat a diet high in fats and oils which is great for keeping your skin plumped up. Don't diet. I have gone blonder especially around the face as this throws natural light on your face and makes any shadows disappear visually. I don't use much in the way of face creams or potions. Just coconut butter.
I would not want to do botox because I can notice when people have had it done and it looks weird in my opinion.

Lazysuzanne Fri 11-Oct-13 12:41:02

If anything stronger face muscles will result in deeper active lines.

I don't think the body toning/face toning analogy really works

cardamomginger Fri 11-Oct-13 12:46:12

To people who say that they can always spot Botox and that it looks awful: how do you know that you can identify EVERYONE? Perhaps you can just spot the ones who have had a bad/extreme Botox job done and you fail to notice the ones who have had it done in a better way.

Lazysuzanne Fri 11-Oct-13 12:52:44

Exactly Carda!

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 12:53:18

Lazy the results of exercising your face results in a more youthful face. The lines don't appear deeper, just the opposite.
card I don't know about everyone who has had botox, but the ones I do know about, I notice.

ZZZenagain Fri 11-Oct-13 12:54:53

I really wouldn't risk it. Can look so unnatural and really not attractive at all.

impty Fri 11-Oct-13 12:57:27

I'm the same age as you, and also considering getting my 11's done. I think I do often spot people who are botoxed, some are more obvious than others. Some times just a smile not quite reaching the eyes gives it away.

I recently spotted someone with a very smooth forehead, and few crows feet but the bottom half of her face was jowly and older looking. She looked plain odd!

So I'm dithering too but I worry that once I start I'll have to go further and further. The lady I mentioned above needed some kind of jaw lift to match up her face iyswim.

No help am I?

Lazysuzanne Fri 11-Oct-13 13:01:11

I give up!

I think most of the naysaying is rooted in a moral objection to vanity.

I have no regrets about botox, I look younger and more relaxed, I have no problem with vanity.

SundaySimmons Fri 11-Oct-13 13:02:21

If you have Botox and look in the mirror you will think it looks natural because you can only see yourself from certain angles.

You can see who has Botox because when you look at someone talking and going about their daily business you can see that parts of their face are animated and others are not!

It can look on some people, a little odd but on others it can be subtle but there is still a differnce.

My ex said I looked smug. He couldn't put his finger on it exactly how why, just that he could notice something about my face. when I looked at myself in the mirror I couldn't see what he was seeing because it is impossible to behave naturally in front of a mirror and view yourself from all angles.

LifeofPo Fri 11-Oct-13 13:04:24

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 13:05:36

People are always shocked when I tell them I have had it as I can still move my forehead but maybe I don't have enough I certainly am not totally smooth or shiny

ksrwr Fri 11-Oct-13 13:10:06

i've had my frown lines botoxed once, about 8 years ago, i'm now 38, so in response to your questions, from my own experience:

1. Will I look obviously Botoxed? no
2. Will it feel funny when I try and frown? yes, it felt so funny, like someone had their finger pressing lightly on my head between my eyebrows stopping the 11 happening
3. Am I starting too early? this doesn't need to be the start of a lifelong committment, just try it
4. Is it worth the money? in my view yes, but it really depends how bothered by the 11s you are, and how much money you have
5. Is it morally and ethically defensible?<just a small question> unless you're pregnant, then its your body, do what you want
6. Will my husband notice? mine didn't... even after i pointed it out to him

ksrwr Fri 11-Oct-13 13:11:38

i should add, that i do think if you go for the full face-freeze it looks obvious, but if you're literally having your frown lines done.. no one will notice.

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 13:13:42

I agree just the frown lines is best crows feet imo looks terrible and makes people look sad

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 13:14:46

Lazy its not a moral objection to vanity. Im vain and want to look young and beautiful lol!. I personally just think botox looks un natural on those I have known to have had it done and those ladies who I can see have had it done. They start off with a little and then their perception seems to go and it gets worse and worse and you just want to tell them "Stop"!!.

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 13:18:15

I have pics on my profile admittedly when it has virtually worn off as I have just had it redone Do I look weird?

Lazysuzanne Fri 11-Oct-13 13:20:49

<Sigh>
Yes obvious botox looks unnatural

Not all botox is obvious

Therefore not all botox looks unnatural

That is undisputably a logical argument!

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 13:21:18

But I do worry about the physical side of things with Botox. There are a lot of valid negatives regarding the use of Botox. It can cause muscle wastage in other parts of the face and even other parts of the body, brain problems, and sagging and drooping of the face permanently. These are just some of the problems so for me the risk is just not worth it.

Lazysuzanne Fri 11-Oct-13 13:22:24

Weird?

No, you look about seventeen grin

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 13:25:56

Hardly but I don't think it looks weird either and those pics are no make up and obv looks better with!

SundaySimmons Fri 11-Oct-13 13:36:52

There is a teacher at my daughters school. She looks great. Well groomed and an unlined face which when you are sat with her talking seems perfectly normal. Until she laughs, then she looks very odd because the upper half of her face does not move.

This lack of animation is not really noticeable when she is just talking but as soon as she laughs she takes on an almost maniacal look.

She has had Botox for a long time as we got into a conversation about it when I mentioned I mentioned my availability for a future appointment clashed with my Botox appointment!

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 13:37:34

noddy you look great but cannot tell from these photos anything about your lines or lack of as the photos are way too small. Sorry. But you do look lovely anyway.

Zoe456 Fri 11-Oct-13 13:43:08

I had it done and it only lasted 3 months not six. It's not cheap but the amount divided by six seemed manageable but when I had it in May and the result was gone by August, I was disappointed tbh. I have no plans to have it re-done, although I was thrilled initially. If it had actually lasted six months I might feel differently but I can't get locked in to that kind of expense. I tried it though. Happy to have tried it once.

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 13:46:54

after about 4 months

Zoe456 Fri 11-Oct-13 13:49:15

you're a good lookin' woman {voice of Joe Dolan}

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 13:50:39

I do think a tiny bit =defintiely makes me look less knackered. Can't find any pics with make up but really thats when I think it really helps if you are older as it doesn't settle in teh cracks!

Zoe456 Fri 11-Oct-13 13:52:25

wrt q5, I don't spend money on moisturisers or pampering or make up or perfume. lidl moisturiser, rimmel, eau de fresh air for me. so that side of things was not a moral dilemma for me at all. but I understand where you are coming from.

cardamomginger Fri 11-Oct-13 13:57:04

Botox has been around for ages and is considered to be a very safe and well tested product. Yes, some people may have adverse effects, but that is true with anything. The only way to weigh up the pros and cons for you, is to make an appointment with a dermatologist and discuss it. Once the actual risks as they pertain to you have been set out, then you can decide whether it is worth it or not.

I think that a good and long term relationship with a good and sensible dermatologist is key to not looking like a complete tit as the years go by. Trying to freeze your age at, e.g. 35 is going to look increasingly daft as the years go by. Better to aim to look a few years younger, or a bit more rested - goals that take into account your overall ageing process and how your skin changes. A good dermatologist should be able to guide you.

I think of it like getting your highlights done - you start off with honey blonde and it looks fab, but then this becomes the new normal and you stop noticing what's actually been done, and it's tempting to go blonder and blonder. A good colourist will rein you in.

You don't automatically end up with parts of your face frozen. It's a paralysing agent, so if you inject less, you will end up with partial paralysis and, therefore, still some movement. My dermatologist offers a free 2-week top up - that way you can inject less initially and if you find you want a bit more, then you can go back. Easier to get a more subtle result that way.

I'd say go for it, but choose where you go wisely. If you want recommendations there are loads of people here from all over the country who can help. If you don't like it, it'll wear off and you don't need to do it again.

cardamomginger Fri 11-Oct-13 13:58:27

Just following up on question 5, I have a good and thorough skin care regime (not uber-expensive brands), but I don;t ever bother with professional facials. So I 'save' on that.

MrsCampbellBlack Fri 11-Oct-13 14:01:43

I have it - just in frown lines so do have movement in my forhead. It just makes me look less tired really.

There is a massive difference between just having your frown lines done and having a totally immobile face and good practitioners really don't like to do the latter.

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 14:20:51

Noddy you look lovely but I think you would look lovely and pretty regardless.

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 14:21:28

Thank you but I look seriously knackered!

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 14:27:24

Do you have a photo before any botox?

SundaySimmons Fri 11-Oct-13 14:29:18

Rules, this is what she looked like before Botox

img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/00769/SNN3103NH-280_769320a.jpg

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 14:30:50

ha ha !!!ha ha ha ha....!!! Sunday that made me laugh in a good way.

AlfalfaMum Fri 11-Oct-13 14:35:47

I must admit to feeling a tiny bit judgemental about it (not a trait I admire in myself).
I get the occasional facial and like in expensive products, but I feel uncomfortable with the idea of doing something risky for vanity. Whether it's having major/minor operations or being injected with something, there's always a tiny risk that something could go wrong.

How much is it? Noddy, do you pay less for half a vial?

AlfalfaMum Fri 11-Oct-13 14:38:37

Not sure where that random 'in' came from, I like expensive products smile

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 14:50:46

That picture is after about 4 months so almost worn off but not quite.Think the cat one on my profile is without

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 14:53:08

I pay 220 no reduction for less but can have a top up after a few weeks if I feel its not enough but I never have so far. I found after about the 3rd time I could go longer between

Flo56 Fri 11-Oct-13 15:25:19

I agree it isn't always easy to spot but neither are crows feet and number 11s, honestly they'e not! Why spend a fortune zapping something that nobody but you even notices?

And grin at the idea that being anti Botox means being anti vanity. I must be one of the vainest people I know - I just don't see the point of pretending to be young when I'm not. When did 'looking good' become synonymous with 'looking young'?

Noddy, you look great and, with those cheekbones, I bet you will still look great when you're older!

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 16:18:34

I don't care about young FWIW I don't think it makes anyone look younger just less haggard.

Zoe456 Fri 11-Oct-13 16:33:32

It's looking cross and bad tempered that I don't like. I did like the result, I thought it made me look calmer and happier. Never really thought it would make me look younger.

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 16:34:38

A fringe is an excellent anti ager if you can wear it. To me though, women with lines that crinkle when they laugh and smile is so lovely to see. It shows that they have smiled a lot through out there life and are totally happy with themselves. That is what lines mean to me.

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 16:35:34

"their"

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 16:36:53

Before I was about 45 I thought that way too! I still like crows feet but not deep furrows!

BleedinEck Fri 11-Oct-13 16:41:59

A friend of mine recently hosted a Botox party & although I didn't know the guest list I instantly clocked 2 attendees at the school gates (1 just looked too rigid & the other was quite a dramatic frown reduction) but even after a few weeks of seeing them everyday would never have guessed the remaining 3 had had anything done. I wouldn't do it but then I'm not particularly vein or bothered by ageing.

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 16:44:16

Im 52 now but without vanity but with a lot of pride, people are genuinely shocked when they know my real age. They think I am in my mid thirties. Is it luck, the food I have eaten throughout life, my attitude or genetics??? I think maybe a little of all. O and im Australian so have enjoyed the sun. My skin is lovely and glows and no sign of leather at all. The benefits of sun on the body are now being realised and the effects of years of keeping out of the sun and blocking the rays with potentially deadly chemicals is causing a lot of problems. The sun shouldn't be abused but rather than causing problems in everyone it can help to prevent a lot of illnesses.

Rules Fri 11-Oct-13 16:46:51

noddy as I said before, you look lovely and I think my opinion wouldn't change even if you never had botox. Maybe you have a happy young outlook on life and this is reflected in your face. Whats the old saying about when your older.... you get the face you deserve....ha ha.....or something like that.

martinedwards Fri 11-Oct-13 16:58:04

heard recently that it is the vitality and movement in a face that makes it attractive.......

therefore, botox may reduce lines, but it MAY also reduce what others find attractive.

just sayin!

handcream Fri 11-Oct-13 16:58:26

So I keep booking Botox, and I keep chickening out..
1. Will I look obviously Botoxed? No, not if its done properly
2. Will it feel funny when I try and frown? No, I never have!
3. Am I starting too early? A bit but wrinkles come to some earlier than others!
4. Is it worth the money?Yes, it blooming works. Unlike some very expensive face creams (circa £80!)
5. Is it morally and ethically defensible?<just a small question>Depends on your own personal views....
6. Will my husband notice? Mine didnt. I have a fringe though so perhaps less obvious

PM me if you are in the SE. I go to someone who is well known to the ladies at Mumsnet who do have this done! She is really really good.

I have to say that when people know I have had it done they say 'well, you dont need it'. Well, that's because it's in there already!!!

hellymelly Fri 11-Oct-13 18:21:10

Noddy you are very beautiful, but yes, you do look as though you have had botox. Something about the set of your brows and the width between them looks botox-y. (I did used to work with faces though, so maybe I focus differently to the average)

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 18:32:40

But that is a pic without! After about 4 months and half a dose I would think it has practically worn off. You are the 1st person who has ever said it though you have worked with it so may see something else. The space between my brows is untouched though.

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 18:41:11

As you know about it can you tell me what the difference is between my face on my profile pic with turban and cat one absolutely no botox at all and the one I posted so that I can get him to do it different next time maybe Thanks

binger Fri 11-Oct-13 18:43:07

I've had it once before and I'm getting it again in a couple of weeks. I'm also getting fillers in my nose to lip lines. I'm 43 and not very wrinkly but I want to keep it that way, hence the work. I didn't think mine was ott, just looked a bit fresher however I'm getting eyebrows done this time too so hopefully won't have the startled look.

Go for it, you won't regret it - it doesn't hurt btw, just in case you wondered.

feelinlucky Fri 11-Oct-13 18:49:55

Noddy, you look gorgeous, just go for it. If you don't like it then don't have it again. I promise you won't regret it smile

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 18:54:09

I have had it! I like it x

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 18:54:36

Thanks for the compliment too much appreciated too have been ill all week and look a mess smile

feelinlucky Fri 11-Oct-13 18:56:58

Yes sorry, just realised you're not the original op smile

feelinlucky Fri 11-Oct-13 18:57:40

You're beautiful and I love your photos. Gorgeous children, you must be really proud.

noddyholder Fri 11-Oct-13 18:58:26

Thankyou very much that is lovely. I only have one ds think the pics may be him at different ages.

ThePuffyShirt Fri 11-Oct-13 21:19:25

Noddy you're a beaut.

I don't have it to look younger. It makes me look fresh and not cross. I had 11s like ravines and looked permanently furious.

eleanorofacquitaine Fri 11-Oct-13 21:28:50

The rest of your face looks fine, Noddy. Perhaps that's why the botox doesn't look odd or out of place?

SacreBlue Fri 11-Oct-13 21:59:18

Based only on a few months working in a clinic that provided botox -

1. Will I look obviously Botoxed?
Some repeat customers did, only 'new' client I saw didn't, she was in her 20's and I wasn't aware she had it done but did noticed she looked great - no idea if she was doing other things that might have made that difference.

2. Will it feel funny when I try and frown?
I haven't had it done and didn't think to ask. During training the nurse did say that rubbing your face/eyes can make the botox move and cause a droopy eyelid if not careful.

3. Am I starting too early?
Person mentioned above was mid 20's, other clients were older so not sure. One thing is for sure (as with many things) once you start - can you stop?

4. Is it worth the money?
Really subjective. Not for me, maybe for front facing or tv type work? Prob depends on results & job role but mostly on how important appearance is to you and what you can afford obvs

5. Is it morally and ethically defensible?<just a small question>
Prob much the same as above. I think the upkeep might need to be a factor - once you start would you feel ok if circs meant you had to stop? The wider issue of appearance Vs personality and basic human worth is a very personal thing - unless you are diverting money from from basic living needs of course. I would be concerned if you had mental or emotional issues with appearance that might affect your judgement and health when considering any major changes to your body/face

6. Will my husband notice?
I noticed a difference in work colleague so assume a partner would notice - though I wasn't aware it was botox until she told me and again - she was a) young, b) quite fit, c) might have been just drinking loads of water, d) possibly using a new good moisturiser, e) something else, as well as the botox

Could even be good genes.

<helpful>

hellymelly Fri 11-Oct-13 23:50:39

Noddy- I wrote you a really long post and nudged the keyboard and the whole thing deleted itself. (really annoying new keyboard too sensitive). I have run a bath but I will re-write it all tomorrow.

hellymelly Sat 19-Oct-13 11:49:06

Noddy- apologies for taking so long to get back to the thread. Anyway, I am not a medical person, I used to be a stylists for tv, and I have worked with make-up and also used to paint, so i watch how light hits a face very closely and probably notice more than the average person would.
You have an extremely beautiful face, with bone structure that will see you looking lovely into old age, I don't think you need to fret about your looks at all. I can see that you have had botox from the slightly more reflective area between your brows, the lack of shadow there, although the pics are tiny so i am peering at them! I really don't think that there is any way a practitioner could avoid that, as that is how botox works, by relaxing the muscle in that area. Absolutely your face your choice, but I think as get into your mid 50s, and have more fine lines radiating down from your eyes into your cheeks when you smile, then smoothness between your brows will be more noticable and give a disparity between the different parts of your face. Right now you are young enough for that not to be an issue. Anyway, you have a lovely face ! Are you scandinavian?

noddyholder Sat 19-Oct-13 11:57:44

Thanks for all that info very interesting. I agree when the rest of your face is more lined you have to stop. Tbh I am not particularly bothered about ageing I just wanted to try it and am approaching 50 fast and am quite happy to leave it. I do like the no tired effect though. I can't see a difference in me before botox in the turban pic but I know to a trained eye it is probably obvious grin! Thanks for the compliment I am not scandinavian but am often asked that! I am Irish x

Flo56 Sat 19-Oct-13 13:49:40

I agree with Helly's point although I don't have her knowledge or expertise. I think that, if you're careful, you can get away with a bit of Botox until the rest of your face starts to go - probably when you're in your 50s. After that it just looks stupid. The problem is then that the temptation is to start getting some other things fixed, which rarely ends well.

You do have fabulous bone structure Noddy, I am very jealous.

hellymelly Sat 19-Oct-13 23:44:11

The only way to avoid the odd disconnection between different areas on one's face past 55 is to go all Liz Jones and have a facelift plus botox plus fillers. then the whole face looks too smooth and the hands and chest look knackered. Then if you have your hands done your knees look weird! It is hard, i am nearly 50 and I do hate my frown lines. As you get into your 60s and 70s, then "work" just looks rather scary. As another poster said, people tend to look at themselves static in mirrors , they don't see what others see- the odd dimples near the nose grooves from fillers when women smile, the way that lines curve the wrong way with facelifts etc. Probably lasers at the moment are the only thing that will keep the integrity of facial features while improving the skin. Maybe that will change in the future.

Lazysuzanne Sun 20-Oct-13 00:10:56

I don't have an expert eye Helly but I see slebs in their 50's (who've presumably had work done) and look good to me.

I'd imagine techniques will improve seeing as there's mucho profit to be made from anti aging and cosmetic procedures

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