The Crepe Papers

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motherinferior Sat 05-Oct-13 18:40:14

Did it!

bigTillyMint Sat 05-Oct-13 18:46:22

Spotted ya!

alto1 Sat 05-Oct-13 18:47:17

Well done MI. Good title.

These threads usually get to about 300 posts before I even find them grin

Cremolafoam Sat 05-Oct-13 18:49:24

Bingo! Good show mi

Blackduck Sat 05-Oct-13 20:19:25

Hi all..... smile
Sil had long chat with mum - she is just fed up with being prodded and poked. Sil pointed out it is, well, necessary... At least for a while. Think she will be fine.

QueenQueenie Sat 05-Oct-13 21:38:17

Nice one MI!

Stropperella Sat 05-Oct-13 22:01:00

Evening all. Have had wine and am watching The Mayor of Casterbridge and am being repeatedly told off for shouting "and then they all died" in a Dorset accent. N.b. I live in the real life Casterbridge and have read more Thomas Hardy than is strictly necessary.

beachyhead Sat 05-Oct-13 22:41:36

Just got back from Sandi Tosvig.....very very funny. A very uplifting evening from a fellow honorary Crepey....

Good new thread name - seems about two minutes ago we were checking into Crepey Towers for the Autumn Term.

I am contemplating making crab apple jelly tomorrow, but I spent all day in the kitchen today, so not looking forward to it...

CointreauVersial Sat 05-Oct-13 22:53:41

Oooh, new thread excitement!

Beachy - I love Sandi Toksvig. Bet that was entertaining.

I also love Clarks ( and I am big on bunions).

Went shopping today, and DD1 volunteered to come along, despite my warnings that I had "lots to do". Well, the lightweight was dragging me to Costa for a sit-down after an hour, and moped and moaned around John Lewis as I searched (fruitlessly) for something to wear at next week's wedding (it's evening only, second marriage of lovely cousin, so I don't know whether to go dressy, or clubby, or what).

Got home to find DH had kindly cooked dinner. Mexican tacos. Except that he couldn't find any lettuce so served it with shredded cabbage hmm , and mistook a tub of red pesto for salsa hmm hmm, and he burned the tacos in the oven. Ah well, it's the thought that counts. grin

beachyhead Sat 05-Oct-13 23:08:18

Oh CV, I knew I didn't spell her name right, but I couldn't be as***d to google!

She is indeed fab and we were the first date in her tour so I would urge you to look up the dates! We were in about the lowest 10% of the age group in the audience... But I guess that's the demographic I live in.blush

CointreauVersial Sat 05-Oct-13 23:14:24

We have tickets for Sarah Millican next month, which I'm looking forward to.

Blackduck Sun 06-Oct-13 08:08:04

Ds had a friend over so we walked over hill to go swimming - ds had lost his googles and friend had forgotten trunks! Cue expensive swim! (I could have asked dp to drop off another pair but clearly brain not functioning!) Then lunch where they regaled the entire cafe with Horrid Deaths (sort of stupid deaths -HH - but without the funny bits) -I did try to point out people were eating......
But the pair of them are scary with the amount of knowledge they have....

In a very crepey moment I was in bed and asleep by 9.00 last night.....

hattymattie Sun 06-Oct-13 08:19:46

Hello - hadn't even noticed that we were nearly at the end of the thread.

I'm going to try and relax this Sunday - I'm going to walk into town, buy a newspaper and then DH says he's going to make a raclette for lunch (first of the season).

BD - I spend my life trying to coordingate trunks, goggles and swimming hat.

Have burnt all the woodpile where the rats are supposedly hiding out - not seen one anywhere. Don't know where the little blighters are hiding. hmm

lalsy Sun 06-Oct-13 09:38:58

My grandfather only read one book in his life, and it was the Mayor of Casterbridge. He thought it so wonderful, especially the wife selling, that there was no need to go further down the literature road. Good thing they raised the school leaving age, I reckon.

I like Sandi Toksvig and I like her fleeces.

Great thread title smile

motherinferior Sun 06-Oct-13 13:12:32

I think that I am losing weight on account of the exercise. Having finally managed to produce a period may have helped too grin.

CointreauVersial Sun 06-Oct-13 14:56:52

Herbs - we were discussing Wills, or lack of, recently, and I happened to notice an article in today's Sunday Times. There is a scheme taking place during November here where certain solicitors will write you and partner a will in return for a charity donation. No excuse.... <stern look>

bigTillyMint Sun 06-Oct-13 16:09:24

CV, I just read that article and emailed the local solicitors involved in that schemegrin
The article worried me a bit - I had thought that the estate would automatically pass to the spouse, but it appears only a portion of it does, the rest going to the children. (As DD told me she is planning to move out at 16confused, I thought we'd better sort ourselves out!)

wilbur Sun 06-Oct-13 19:00:30

We need to do new Wills as current ones are missing both dd and ds2. Have had head in sand about it as I don't know who to appoint as guardian for kids. My family is teeny and very complicated, and there is no one obvious in dh's family either as they either live a long way away or have such busy lives with their own kids that offering them 3 more seems a bit much. Still, must be done, and charity scheme sounds good. Will focus.

Just on our way back from lovely weekend in Cotswolds, weather was glorious, ate outside both days. Just wish we werent now facing a ridiculously busy week

bigTillyMint Sun 06-Oct-13 19:19:54

Wilbur, that was exactly our dilemma. Now they are older, we still have no idea confused

Glad you had a lovely weekendsmile

lalsy Sun 06-Oct-13 19:29:34

I don't know if this helps but we told our guardian she did not necessarily have to bring dc up herself in the sense of living with them - but it was her job to find the best possible solution for them, given the circumstances at the time. We couldn't think of anyone who would definitely be able and willing to give them a home at any point over an 18 year period. Solicitor seemed to think this was normal as I remember.

bigTillyMint Sun 06-Oct-13 19:41:51

Oh, that's helpful, lalsy.

motherinferior Sun 06-Oct-13 19:58:00

We thought about stuff like continuity in their lives too; I am sure my sister would do a great job but she and her family live several hundred miles away. We asked friends who are a bit older than us and don't have children. However, I'm aware that we are lucky to have this kind of quasi-family relationship - in the past couple of years they've become separately important to the Inferiorettes, who go round there on a Thursday when I singsmile

Blackduck Sun 06-Oct-13 20:19:03

It's a toughie isn't it? Dp and I are named as guardians for bils dcs but this was done yonks ago before we had ds (I think they thought we had no children = money and thus were a better bet than dp's sister), I keep wanting to tell them to change their will - I don't want the responsibility!! As for ds I guess my brother or dp's sister....

Must sort the will thing, partic as dp has no PR either! Could be tricky.

I am knackered again tonight and can't even blame overindulgence as I have had nothing to drink since a lone pint on Friday night.

CointreauVersial Mon 07-Oct-13 00:19:43

Tut tut, I mentioned Herbs because she was the one I remembered saying she didn't have a will, but now you're all coming out of the woodwork. <several more stern looks>

motherinferior Mon 07-Oct-13 08:25:40

I have a will [insufferably smug emoticon]

wilbur Mon 07-Oct-13 11:10:06

I have a Will, it's just out of date (my relationship with my sister was, if not good, then tolerable when we gifted ds1 to her, but she hasn't spoken to me for 3 years now, so I'm not sure she'd do the best for my kids sad). BTM - now mine are older, I sort of imagine them doing without us Pippi Longstocking-style grin, I'm sure dd could run the boys' lives no problem, they know how to use public transport and ds1 can cook, sort of...

I do remember reading my dad's Will when I was about 13 and seeing that I was down to be sent to my aunt in Aberdeen if anything happened. I was v fond of my aunt, but even so I remember thinking "fuck that, no way". Maybe older kids should be given an opinion in this kind of thing? Lalsy's point is a very good way of looking at it, as a starting point.

lalsy Mon 07-Oct-13 12:31:10

I agree about Pippi Longstocking, or perhaps the Children Who Lived in a Barn, as they get older, especially for siblings close in age. You wouldn't want them uprooted, necessarily, for the sake of something that looked like a family.

beachyhead Mon 07-Oct-13 12:43:20

We don't have one either, not from lack of trying. All the solicitors seem to send you endless forms to fill in whereas I would just like to go in somewhere, have a 30 minute chat along the lines of 'so where would you like Tinkerbell to live?' and 'who would you like to leave your ancient Magimix to?' Etc etc, then they could draw it all up grin

On the subject of children, assuming you ship them off to relatives, are they automatically privately adopted and how do you get them into schools? Can they jump any queue? Or do you assume relatives are going to move to your house and assume the role there? In which case, presumably, you can't sell the house! All a bit morbid for a Monday!

CointreauVersial Mon 07-Oct-13 13:02:45

Well, Crem would be the expert in that, Beachy.

bigTillyMint Mon 07-Oct-13 13:03:35

beachy, I have no idea about any of those things! I also would not want them uprooted (particularly now DD is onto her GCSE's and DS will be next year), so I think we would have to put in a proviso as lalsy suggested. Anyway, DD said she might move out when she's 16!

lalsy Mon 07-Oct-13 13:06:35

Am definitely not an expert at all but in case it is helpful: we were clueless, our solicitor just said the most important thing is all your assets go to the children and that you appoint a guardian. As for schools, where dc live etc, none of that can be foreseen - it would depend what age this horrid event happened and what the situation was at the time, typically for young children you might hope a family member would take them in, for older children you might be looking for a friend's family who they could live with in the week, perhaps to see out that bit of their education. The house would often have to be sold unless you have other assets as whoever looks after them will probably need money, unless they are much older teens. That's what I remember - he was very firm and clear and basically told us what to do - he said people with young children have very little choice

herbaceous Mon 07-Oct-13 13:47:59

OK OK CV. I shall look into it. But lord knows who should look after DS. My sis would give him a highly priviledged (how the hell do you spell that?) life, with public schools and a huge house, but a fierce alpha male influence. DP's family would be more down to earth, but perhaps not the greatest diet or encouragement to succeed.


bigTillyMint Mon 07-Oct-13 13:57:39

Yes, that's the problem, isn't it Herbs?!

In reality, it is very unlikely that you would both die at once. That's why we haven't yet done ours! But I am now more concerned about one of us dying and the property, etc not passing to the other.

bigTillyMint Mon 07-Oct-13 13:58:08

And how's your cutie DS settling into school?

Stropperella Mon 07-Oct-13 15:01:51

I'm sure I've banged on at length about wills before, but just to say: it's really important to get them drawn up to make sure that if one of you dies first all the estate goes where you want it to and that probate is easy to sort out. Probate is an utter bastard to sort out if there is no will and dealing with extra admin at that particular time is the last thing you need. The admin is bad enough even when there is a will.
The guardianship thing in our case is much as Lalsy has it.
I dunno why a solicitor would make you fill in loads of forms for a will unless your circs are very complicated. I've re-done mine a fair few times over the years and never had to fill in a form. It's good to think about what age you would want your dcs to inherit. My exh insisted on 18 and now I rather wish I'd pushed for 25, as dd will have to make some very grown-up decisions on her 18th.

bigTillyMint Mon 07-Oct-13 15:13:45

Good point, Stropps.

motherinferior Mon 07-Oct-13 15:15:04

Yes, ours was incredibly straightforward...

Stropperella Mon 07-Oct-13 15:26:52

I'm feeling a bit weird as my mother phoned to say she's received a letter that's been forwarded on from her old address (which she moved from 16 years ago) that's addressed to me in my original surname. Turns out it's about a school reunion for the local school I went to until I was 16. I don't remember either of the secondaries I went to with much affection and have avoided all schooly nostalgia up until now. I don't think (m)any of the people I was at school with would remember me with any affection either, as I was drearily odd and generally not much fun. I strangely feel as though I ought to go, but I don't know why. Maybe it's masochism.

addle Mon 07-Oct-13 16:49:04

when we were particularly broke a couple of years ago and my dh was cycling from land's end to john o'groats i insisted we made our wills - we found a solicitors' website with a free, very simple template to fill in - on the basis that we just wanted to leave everything to our two children adn that everything didn't amount to much or anything complicated. at least that way we got something in writing. (not updated since, obviously, but it's a first step). agree with stropps about 25 btw.

herbaceous Mon 07-Oct-13 17:01:59

Our will would be v straightforward too. Tho less so once I inherit parents' various properties, etc.

Re DS, he seems to be doing v well in his milieu! They've put him in the top set of year 1 for reading, but he still comes home with homework counting the number of letters in cat and sounding it out, which he finds bafflingly dull. But does it, as he seems genetically programmed to be a girly swot.

He's made some friends, and has been invited to a birthday party by a girl who holds his hand as they go into school. The forward hussy.

The teaching seems quite strict - it seems whistles are blown to indicate time to tidy up, or shut up, and discipline includes having to sit facing the wall, but can't decide if that's ok or not.

One also has to take any tales of what goes on with a vast pinch of salt.

bigTillyMint Mon 07-Oct-13 17:06:36

Sit facing the wall and whistlesshock Hopefully that's not quite the whole story! Great that he's made friendssmile

Stropps, I'm a bitenvy at your school reunion - I've never heard of any (other than big fancy centenary do's) for ours. Suspect it might be a bit dull though as I can barely recognise half the girls on the photos others post up on FB and we were there for 7 yearsconfused

lalsy Mon 07-Oct-13 17:07:19

Solicitors also make mirror wills for couples - so if you want to talk to a person, it is pretty cheap too. What was hammered home to us is just to get something done - if the worst happens, you do not want financial or housing uncertainty or hassle. And whoever takes the dc in may need money quickly - to move house for example.

Cremolafoam Mon 07-Oct-13 18:18:56

Guys I will write on the subject of guardianship wills etc when I'm less woozy . Had my stitches out this arvo and I'm a little flayed .confused
Also infected - boo so onto the flucloxacillan.

I know it seems like the worst will never happen , but we are the surviving embodiment that this is not always the case. sad
Oh how I craved a piece of paper could have been left for me and dd so that we could have known that it was ok that she lived with me and dh.

bigTillyMint Mon 07-Oct-13 18:26:43

Oh Cremosad - both the will situation and the infection. cakeflowerswine for the invalidsmile

I heard about mirror wills - will be doing this.

Blackduck Tue 08-Oct-13 06:24:02

Oh poor Cremo - hope you get better soon...

QQ damn you I am now converting a pair of Clark's boots....

bigTillyMint Tue 08-Oct-13 07:59:17

Have just ordered some crimson chinos and jeans for DS - hope they fit!

QueenQueenie Tue 08-Oct-13 18:04:58

Really BD, what are you converting them to? Judaism? A sporty soft top? wink

Did I mention there's 20% off?

beachyhead Tue 08-Oct-13 18:29:05

Where is the 20% off voucher?

Also, I lost my Cos virginity last night.. OMG, that shop. Heaven grin

I have a dress which I can't see on the website so I can't link to it. It is huge and comfy and I probably look like a barrage balloon in it, but I don't care.

Blackduck Tue 08-Oct-13 18:43:12

Ha ha QQ - and yes where is this 20% you speak of? Not that I need boots you understand...

Blackduck Tue 08-Oct-13 18:44:37

Coveting obviously (opticians appointment on sat can't come a day too soon....)

bigTillyMint Tue 08-Oct-13 18:49:23

Snap, BD - opticians for me too on Sat!

And beachy, I'm sure you don't look like a barrage balloon in anything.

My new bag came from TK Maxx, and it's lovely. Did I say I'm not spending money on clothes for me? That's OK then, coz this is a bagsmile

motherinferior Tue 08-Oct-13 19:00:41

I have ranted before about how Cos makes me look like a particularly unfetching Oompa Loompa....

QueenQueenie Tue 08-Oct-13 22:45:12

BD I have an email from Clarks which says enter "BDAY" at checkout for 20% off. Dated 7/10 so still valid for a while I expect... if you want to go into a store pm me your email address and I'll forward it to you...

Cremolafoam Tue 08-Oct-13 23:04:56

Gorgeous bag BTM - lush colour and shape. Wel gel.

I have seen the navy knee boots in the 123854356th boden catalogue I've been sent this week and want want want. navy suedeenvy. If I don't eat this month I might be able to afford them .
Could just wear them about the house with the stretch loungewear I'm currently modelling.wink

Blackduck Wed 09-Oct-13 08:32:24

Boo - code doesn't work.... (that is probably a good thing!)

addle Wed 09-Oct-13 08:59:52

Lovely, lovely bag, BTM. will you be sporting it on 23rd for 'settling in' session?

Blackduck Wed 09-Oct-13 09:11:44

I have realised code doesn't work becuase I am not spending enough money grin

BTM - sorry not a bag lady, so I look at that and go 'oh, a bag' smile

Do you have glasses at the mo (I do, but think a. I need a stronger pair and b. a pair that actually fit and don't slide off my nose...)

bigTillyMint Wed 09-Oct-13 11:54:28

I may, addle! Hope it will be a useful evening....
How is your DD getting on? I was reqding a bit of the emptynesters thread but had to close it - too much to worry about!

BD I have cheap off the shelf reading glasses (as advised by the optician) but fear I need to get the next strength up. DH is in denial about his eyesight - needs them for long distance, which seems to be most of the time - warching footy matches, TV, driving...

lalsy Wed 09-Oct-13 14:42:19

Not usually a bag lover...but that one is gorgeous, BTM. I got some long blue suede boots (Clarks) last winter and felt like Errol Flynn (using a lot of imagination and poor eyesight).

bigTillyMint Wed 09-Oct-13 15:03:48

Thanks, lalsy!

And BD, I meant to say, I always wear mine on the end of my nose so I can peer over them - true teacher-style!

Long blue suede boots sound lushsmile

rubyrubyruby Thu 10-Oct-13 05:53:14

I have neither new boots, new bag or a will.

Just trying to get my head around which new sofas/furniture atm.

motherinferior Thu 10-Oct-13 09:16:55

I have to endure another hour of my mother. Which is hard even when she is in the kitchen and I am in my office.

originalpiratematerial Thu 10-Oct-13 11:31:39

hello all smile

Kept forgetting to look for "Crepe Papers" blush

Going out for lunch today so must go and put some slap on in a bit, although am never sure these days whether it just accentuates the crepiness hmm

Still, in more cheerful mode, I bought a dark green lace tunic thing in Oasis yesterday and I really like it.

herbaceous Thu 10-Oct-13 11:41:29

I just bought a dark green item too! A drapey fronted top from New Look, bought in a panic as I'm going out tonight in London's Trendy Shoreditch with DP's smart work friends. The top looked highly unflattering to the 'curvy' on the hanger, but is in fact very good, going in and out in all the right places, while not accentuating any unfortunate bulges.

Feel utterly bushed today, for no good reason. Perhaps I'll drink some water. Out tonight and tomorrow night, then five-year-old birthday party on Saturday, and six friends round on Sunday. Zzzzzz...

motherinferior Thu 10-Oct-13 11:49:14

I am pitching into the void. But at least I am being rejected nicely, which hasn't always been the case. Professionally or, ahem, personally wink

hattymattie Thu 10-Oct-13 11:52:38

Morning all - I have just put on a dark green shetland wool jumper following an abrupt fall in temperature. Heating going on this weekend methinks.

Blackduck Thu 10-Oct-13 12:27:35

My all new fancy remote controlled boiler seriously considered licking into life, but decided against it ... In other news I crumbled and bought a dishwasher.... (So no boots, new bag or clothes here for a while - crumples up Clark's 20% voucher)
Another school to visit tonight.... (Losing will)

Blackduck Thu 10-Oct-13 12:28:09


alto1 Thu 10-Oct-13 20:59:01

Nearly cried this morning when realised I have let sick car be taken to garage with my favourite gloves in the boot sad Fingers went numb on steering wheel for first time this year.

Small victory over inanimate object to report, though. I'm driving the old car (which has been used mainly to take garden rubbish to the dump lately) and succeeded in getting the roof bars off yesterday - something DH has not been able to manage in 6 (six, IV) years grin Had just assumed that if he couldn't do it, it must be insuperably difficult.

There's a lesson in there somewhere, isn't there? <too tired to synapse>

alto1 Thu 10-Oct-13 23:10:36

Apologies for Roman numeral typo. I can't quite believe how long it was myself. (VI yrs)

CointreauVersial Thu 10-Oct-13 23:24:48

I've been Mrs Busy from Busytown this week, and we're off to Derbyshire this weekend, at lovely cousin's wedding. I'm having my usual what-to-wear wobble, particularly as I'll be with SIL who always looks super-glam. I can't resort to excessive alcohol consumption either, as the DCs will be dragging us early doors on Sunday to Alton Towers. Hangover and rollercoasters not an advisable combo, methinks.

hattymattie Fri 11-Oct-13 06:58:46

Have fun CV - quite fancy a family wedding as it would bring together sides of the family I haven't laid eyes on for years and my DC's could meet their second cousins (my cousin's children). I have a sinking feeling that the next time we meet up is going to be funerals. sad.

Have decided to abandon plans for haircut today in the face of rain and freezing weather.

Heating officially going on tomorrow when DH has purged the radiators. smile

bigTillyMint Fri 11-Oct-13 07:04:18

CV, wedding sounds great. Reduced alcohol consumption/hangover and Alton Towers less so!

Alto, DH is not renowned for his practical skills, nor perseverance where perfection is required. He failed to mend DS's puncture successfully this week, whereupon DS was not happy and surfed the net for guidance and forced DH to try again using the tips he had found. Funnily enough, it workedsmile

I am looking forward to a night out with the gals tonight. And a quiet weekend! DS is out to a sleepover from school tonight and DD is off to one after gym tomorrow - yay!

bigTillyMint Fri 11-Oct-13 07:06:34

Hatty, our heating is on alreadyshock!

bigTillyMint Fri 11-Oct-13 08:09:02

They are moving cars on our road - apparently they are resurfacing the footpath on one side of the road onlyconfused It is a longish road and they will be taking 2 weeks to do it. I forsee a lot of parking problemssad

MrsSchadenfreude Fri 11-Oct-13 08:43:48

Shit week. A former boyfriend of mine died - so sad for his family and friends, particularly his wife and mother. His mother's posts on his FB tribute page are just too hard to read. My mother rang last night to tell me that her closest friend had died suddenly. I said I would go to the funeral with her, the logistics of which are daunting - she won't drive herself (thankfully) and won't insure me for her car (it would cost £20 a year to add me to her insurance; I have offered to pay and she has refused), so it will be an interesting journey of trains and taxis to cover a 20 mile journey.

Blackduck Fri 11-Oct-13 08:49:16

MrsS sad

Heating not on here - put another jumper on for gods sake! ;)

Another school looked at - and although I went hoping not to like (want to make the decision easy) I came away thinking 'hmm' My concern is whilst it appears to be very good with the less able I am not convinced that it is good for the the more able...... ho hum.....

knackered here - quiet night tonight as opticians tomorrow and I did that hungover once before and I don't think its advisable!

lalsy Fri 11-Oct-13 10:39:51

MrsS, that is so sad.

I have hurt my knee and may have to accentuate my crepeyness by buying and wearing....a crepe knee bandage.

bigTillyMint Fri 11-Oct-13 11:13:50

Oh MrsSsad

BD, what did you have to do at the opticians? Am now a little worried!

Cremolafoam Fri 11-Oct-13 11:23:24

Och mrs s I'm very sorry sad
That's a lot if sadness all at once.

wilbur Fri 11-Oct-13 11:28:11

So sorry about your friend, MrsS, that's very sad. Any chance your mum expressed sympathy for your loss? Or just for her own. But then losing a bf very suddenly is sad too.

Alto - I have learned that if dh says "I don't think that's possible/fixable" it actually means "I don't really want to do that". I shouldn't complain as he does a lot and will do tiling, and cutting back of hedges and relocating of dead foxes without a murmur, but if it's a tedious job requiring sustained and repeated effort, forget it. I have been waiting 10 (ten, X) years for him to sort out a savings account for ds1 that was generously set up by FIL but for some reason was done as though ds1 is an adult so he is paying tax on it - it's a very small amount each year, but annoying and tbh ds1 is going to need every penny on offer when he's older as we will be brassic. Apparently it "can't be changed" hmm or, translated into English, "it involves several tedious phone calls, a discussion with my dad, and filling in a form and I can't be arsed".

CV - have fun at the wedding, I bet you will look fab smile. And yes, don't do Alton Towers with a hangover. I had to do a sedate train ride the day after my 40th birthday and that was bad enough.

I have a slight end-of-term feeling about today - we are bunking off! Ds1 has a half day, and I am taking dd and ds2 out of school one whole hour early (we NEVER do this and I am giddy with naughtiness) to head up to Birmingham for a treat evening out. In my request for getting the kids out of school, I mentioned concert tickets, implying some kind of cultured CBSO event, whereas in fact we are going to see Bruno Mars. grin Can't wait!

wilbur Fri 11-Oct-13 11:33:32

Hmm, I am now having a pedant moment over my use of the word brassic. Is that how you spell it? Should I, in fact, have written it as boracic?

Lalsy grin at the crepe bandage. Although not at the sore knee.

BD - I am now imagining you hungover at the opticians with eyes going in different directions. And failing the red/green thing, and then feeling sick during the peripheral vision test...

Cremolafoam Fri 11-Oct-13 11:35:44

Lol Wilbur I like your style!
Dsis took niece to Bruno last week and apparently the show is amaze balls. ( her words) enjoy!
I am on my second ( 2nd II ) round of antibiotics due to wound infection.sad
Fed up doesn't rightly cover it.

bigTillyMint Fri 11-Oct-13 12:15:35

Wilbur, Bruno Marsenvyblush

Cremo, {{{}}} I hope your family are looking after you properly.

hattymattie Fri 11-Oct-13 12:21:18

Oh Cremo, that is bad luck - I hope you turn the corner soon. Sorry about your ex boyfriend Mrs S. I think everybody's lives are taking a turn for the worse with the winter (except for CV that is).

bigTillyMint Fri 11-Oct-13 12:56:30

Hmm, I'm not so sure about that - Alton Towers, eeeek!

motherinferior Fri 11-Oct-13 13:01:49

Oh, Cremo, vile. Get well soon.

motherinferior Fri 11-Oct-13 13:02:44

Wilbur, I am trying to prod DP into getting hold of the loft company that did our conversion and pointing out that under the 10 year guarantee they can bloody well come back and repair a botch job that is rotting one of our walls....

bigTillyMint Fri 11-Oct-13 13:07:48

Oh no, MI. It was only this morning that I passed by a house where the company that did ours was doing the loft and saw the 10year guarantee - I think we might be past 10 years now, but so far no problems.
Good luck - hopefully they are still trading and will do the right thing.

CointreauVersial Fri 11-Oct-13 13:20:24

Wilbur - the word is "borassic" - as in Borassic Lint. Cockernee rhyming slang for "skint", innit? <crawls back into to pedant's corner>

Sad news, MrsS. sad And Cremo, much sympathy, sounds like you are having a right old time of it.

BD - I've done the "hungover at the opticians" thing - it was one of those moments when I kicked myself for having booked such a stupid appointment time. I could barely get out of bed, and the poor man was probably asphyxiated by fumes as I swayed gently on the chair (they do have to get up close and personal for the contact lens checks).

CointreauVersial Fri 11-Oct-13 13:23:38

Nooo.....I meant Boracic!

CointreauVersial Fri 11-Oct-13 13:24:03


QueenQueenie Fri 11-Oct-13 13:32:04

Quite like the sound of brassic to mean skint... perhaps translating as can only afford to eat cabbage? But what pray is boracic lint??

alto1 Fri 11-Oct-13 13:43:01

But it is pronounced 'brassic', CV, at least in Yorkshire it is. The York panto's send-up of Jurassic Park was called Brassic Park.

Which reminds me, I had a narrow squeak at an Important Meeting on Sensitive Subjects this week when someone unexpectedly said 'Shrubbery' and I nearly corpsed. I would not have been able to explain about the Knights who say 'Ni', believe me.

Sorry to hear the wound is infection dragging on, CV. Is it making you feel ill all over?

Sad to hear about your ex as we'll MrsS. That really must be a shock.

Blackduck Fri 11-Oct-13 13:44:42

dont you just love wiki....

Boracic lint

alto1 Fri 11-Oct-13 13:45:13

As well. How do you stop iPad doing that? It kept changing 'ill' to 'I'll' as well hmm

Cremolafoam Fri 11-Oct-13 13:45:52

In the olden days they would have put boracic lint on my wound.
Lucky megrin

motherinferior Fri 11-Oct-13 13:56:14

I worked on a rather lovely women's mag - recently deceased - for a bit, where every time the delightful cookery ed referred to a 'meat thermometer' I had to conceal unbecoming sniggerage. Here in the Inferiority Complex it is second only to the term 'pork sword' in eliciting childish larfs.

motherinferior Fri 11-Oct-13 13:56:46

(MI realises that she's ruined many fine cookbooks for her fellow Crepeys...)

herbaceous Fri 11-Oct-13 14:15:53

I spent one holiday in Spain translating euphamisms for cock into Spanish via our Berlitz phrase book. Pork sword was 'espada de lomo'.

bigTillyMint Fri 11-Oct-13 15:27:26

I must have led a sheltered life - I have never heard it called that before!

In S&B news, has anyone had gel nails? I had them done for the first time 3 weeks ago - fab, but I had to remove them last night ready for shellac nails tomorrow (got a special offer!) - I followed the YouTube tutorial, using acetone, but I am not sure I quite got all of the base coat off as they don't feel as smooth as they did before. I can't really see anything (though that may be due to my eyes/glasses) - should I try again to remove or will it be OK?

hattymattie Fri 11-Oct-13 16:14:27

BTM - I'm sheltered too. Can't help with the nails I'm afraid - have no idea even what shellac nails are (I just have bitten stumps blush)

herbaceous Fri 11-Oct-13 16:52:50

I'm making quince jelly, with quinces from the garden. As ever, I am following an amalgam of recipes. One says to strain the pulp through a pillowcase, strung elaborately above a bowl via string and cunningly arranged chairs. The other just says to bung it in a tea towel in a colander. I favour option b.

Sorry to hear your news mrs s. Its somewhat sobering when ones own generation start to fall off the twig. I always think of myself as 'the younger generation', and this kind of reality check rather harshes that vibe.

QueenQueenie Fri 11-Oct-13 18:12:04

Sorry to hear about the outbreak of gloom and bad news. {{{{ }}} to both Crem and Mrs S respectively.

Quince jelly Herbs? You truly are a domestic goddess. I LOVE quinces. Especially the smell of them <wierdo>

herbaceous Fri 11-Oct-13 18:28:18

I'm no domestic goddess. It's the only thing I make of this nature, and last time I did it the resultant jelly just sat unused in the fridge. This time it's going into smaller jars for possible token gifts, contributions to PTA 'fayres' and the like.

MrsSchadenfreude Fri 11-Oct-13 19:57:32

DH has gone to bed with Man Flu (no temperature and lots of non-specific symptoms along the lines of "a slight headache" "feeling a bit sick" and "aching all over." So DD2 and I have ordered a pizza to be delivered. I have not done this since I left London in 1998 and am feeling quite giddy at the thought.

My mother's best friend's funeral is being delayed - her daughter is on holiday in the Maldives and can't get back immediately (they don't live in UK anyway, so the logistics are probably not very straightforward).

Blackduck Fri 11-Oct-13 21:16:30

I found out my boss may well be leaving sad wail and I'd just trained him ....... I can't bear the thought of starting again.....

Blinking cold here - may have to get the heating going.

lalsy Fri 11-Oct-13 21:28:20

I have bitten stumps too, and the only time I tried to make quince jelly I cried - in a Meg from Good Wives sort of way which is not really my bent - as I had a tiny amount of entirely liquid quince stuff in a large pan, with the rest coated on every wall and surface of my kitchen in a thin, translucent, sticky, layer.

Stropperella Fri 11-Oct-13 21:58:22

Cream, hope you're beating the bugs off now and will be feeling less crap very soon.
MrsS, sorry to hear all your grim news.

I'm currently hanging out in the unglamorous surroundings of the Waterloo Traveldodgy as I'm on a 2-day course in the Big City. I am being very studious and not going out or drinking. <halo>
Had a rough week at home as things have been very fraught with dd. Can't elaborate, but it was made very difficult for me to go away on this course. Tricky.
Still, I cheered myself up this evening with a very unstudious visit to Uniqlo. They do have some damn fine knitwear at the moment.

Stropperella Fri 11-Oct-13 22:15:32

PS: Uniqlo also have some nice skinny rollneck tops that are 94% cotton. I felt compelled to buy one in a dark teal colour.

beachyhead Fri 11-Oct-13 22:32:09

Herbs, I'm embracing your domestic goddess as I've made 15 jars of tomato pickle tonight.....

Had a lovely long day today as dd2 was 'trying out' at a local indie with a view for next Sept... She behaved smile and 'might' agree to go, thereby cutting about two hours a day off my school run. She was most impressed by the old desks, with lifting lids.

Stropps, embrace the Travelodogy... I'm so well known at Southwark now, I can select my favourite room, how sad is that!

I hope you feel better soon Crem and the infection buggers off and I'm sorry for your sad news, Mrs S....

Happy weekend everyone!

MrsSchadenfreude Fri 11-Oct-13 23:26:16

If you want company, Stropps, I'm 10 minutes walk from Waterloo.

motherinferior Sat 12-Oct-13 09:53:42

And I'm 20 mins train ride away...

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 12-Oct-13 09:53:51

And I have lots of gin...

motherinferior Sat 12-Oct-13 10:05:23

...and I can get to MrsS's v easily...grin

bigTillyMint Sat 12-Oct-13 10:18:45

I'm near too!

Had a lovely catch up with friends last night, and no hangover! Both DC out ATMsmile

herbaceous Sat 12-Oct-13 11:03:00

I'm not near.

I too had a get-together with friends, but now feel v hungover. Even though I didn't think I had that much to drink. Have felt like this for a few days, actually. Probably some kind of virus...

Having seven for lunch tomorrow. About to go to Waitrose to buy 9kg of pork to put in the oven after lunch TODAY. It roasts for 24 hours. Yum.

Cremolafoam Sat 12-Oct-13 11:11:42

Wow herbs that sounds delish.
Do you flavour/ marinade it with anything? Does it come out like pulled pork?
Trying to enliven my taste buds here. Seem to have completely lost my appetite which is pants and not like me. Although have lost half a stone since op.wink

motherinferior Sat 12-Oct-13 11:18:33

I have run/swum every morning this week but this has been offset by booze. In my defence, my mum stayed. And I have no work.

herbaceous Sat 12-Oct-13 11:19:33

But how much of that was pineapple-sized fibroid?

The pork is a Nigella recipe. If I recall correctly you score the skin, rub it with a paste of chilli, garlic, ginger and rice vinegar, then cook it on 'nuclear' for half an hour, then at 0.5deg for 23.5 hours. Or something like that.

We're having it with mildly spicy coleslaw, wedges and rolls. Ice cream and fruit for afters. This cunningly uses up at least part of our veg box mountain.

herbaceous Sat 12-Oct-13 11:21:33

Oh, and quince jelly on the side. Natch. Not that it's finished yet - I was about to jelly-fy it, and discovered I didn't have enough sugar. Except icing sugar, which I suspected wouldn't work.

I think I'd better get back on the 5:2 next week. I've got two weeks before our holiday, for which I want to be a stone lighter. Hmm.

Cremolafoam Sat 12-Oct-13 12:17:36

Lolgrin @ pineapple herbs . Fair cop

bigTillyMint Sat 12-Oct-13 12:19:39

Cremo, great on the losing weight!

Herbs, pork sounds lush. And the quince jelly!

I am embracing my gunt. Literally.

And have just had lovely new shellac nails done by a very lovely girl, just across the green for special offer of £13.50!!!!! (well, I gave her £15 as she was fab - very chatty and a beautiful view from her window!)

Next stop, the opticians!

QueenQueenie Sat 12-Oct-13 13:20:03

MI i too have embraced the running and swimming this week, alternate days. Am just starting the C25K malarkey so very early days. I am amazed I can run at all as it must be 20 years since I so much as ran more than a few feet for a bus. Please tell me it's normal to be bright red in the face even in week 1 and that that will improve if I keep going? I feel like a ginormous purple beetroot by the time Laura has finished talking to me. Do have a disproportionate sense of achievement though... and dh nearly fell over when I announced my plan.

bigTillyMint Sat 12-Oct-13 13:56:19

QQ ROFL at giant purple beetroot!
MI inspired me too - am rumming 5k every time I go to the gym (well in 5min bursts with a min walking between!)

Optician was vair nice and said he thought my lenses must be too strong till he checked my age - thought I looked much younger! YAY!!!
So 1.5's still for me. How did u get on BD?

Blackduck Sat 12-Oct-13 14:48:15

Hi BTM tiny change from last time (over four years ago) so not worth getting new glasses, I do, apparently have perfectly symmetrical gas bubbles in both eyes which she has no idea about - but assumes they have been there from birth.... (But will keep an eye on - boom boom)

I need to get back on 5:2 as well. I haven't been drinking and had hoped for a massive weight loss, but I guess the over indulgence in crisps hasn't helped....

originalpiratematerial Sat 12-Oct-13 21:35:38

herbaceous, I started running a year ago, having always absolutely loathed running - to my utter shock, I got totally hooked, and in fact still am. And I really am the least sporty woman imaginable. I love running now.

QueenQueenie Sat 12-Oct-13 22:46:43

tell me more opm... how do I get hooked (and less purple)?

Blackduck Sun 13-Oct-13 08:18:00

I tried the running thing but hated it....I really do need to do some exercise but as I leave for work at 6.40 and get back at 5.30 (at the earliest) it's fitting it in that's the problem!

bigTillyMint Sun 13-Oct-13 08:33:09

BD, that is such a long day. Is that the downside to moving to a more countrified house?
DH cycles to and from work because it is the easiest way to fit in exercise - leaves about 7.20, back around 6. Could you fit anything in on your commute? Or at lunchtime (which is what friends who have lunchtimes do!)

Stropperella Sun 13-Oct-13 08:55:23

BD, no wonder you're often knackered. That schedule would wipe me out.
Many, many thanks to MrsS, MI and BTM for your very kind offers of gin and company and I'm sorry I couldn't take you up on them. The course ran from 8.30 to 5.30 on Friday and Saturday and then I was on the train home by 6.30 last night. House is still standing and the livestock is still live. Phew.

addle Sun 13-Oct-13 08:59:26

Qq when i started running I not only turned purple but had an astonishingly loud ringing in the ears. Did wearboff, slowly.

Bd would shredding or callanetics be any good? You can listen to podcasts/radio while shredding, which makes it slightly less painful.

In other news, crepeys, i went to a mumsnet course on social media fir beginners because i know i'm particularly crepey in this area, and it was v good, would recommend.

bigTillyMint Sun 13-Oct-13 09:04:18

addle, what did you learn on it? Was it about FB and Instagram and SnapChat, etc? Did you learn how to spy on DC?wink

addle Sun 13-Oct-13 10:03:38

FB and twitter mostly, BTM, and google + - most of it to do with professional stuff so v few spying tips. Is still swilling around in empty space between my ears but am determined to go through notes and get down to it. soon.

motherinferior Sun 13-Oct-13 11:45:18

I am in shock. Mr Inferior has heard of Bridget Jonesshock

bigTillyMint Sun 13-Oct-13 12:12:35

Is this a good thing?

lalsy Sun 13-Oct-13 13:17:41

"How to spy on your DC" - why has MN Academy not thought of that? Could lead on to NVQs with MI5 and glorious new careers for us

motherinferior Sun 13-Oct-13 13:29:52

It is an unexpected familiarity with contemporary culture.

Blackduck Sun 13-Oct-13 14:38:30

I need lessons in Twitter...

Yes the move is part of it - I don't usually get a lunch break anymore (eat a la desk) and can't do anything on the commute. I need a new job (have just applied for one nearer home). - and if boss is going to leave as I suspect, I don't want to stay....

Glad to hear house still standing Stropps....

rubyrubyruby Sun 13-Oct-13 17:43:22

<<crawls in>>
God I'm knackered. I have managed to read the thread and sorry to hear sad news MrsS.

Hope you are feeling better Crem and that your fighting that infection.

Hope DD is ok strops.

I haven't much news. Been spending too much cash on various sofas and chairs grin

Have had a good opportunity offered at work but I'm going to have to turn it down - bugger.

hattymattie Sun 13-Oct-13 18:11:19

Why Ruby?

I'd love to be out buying sofas and chairs. Need some new curtains

bigTillyMint Sun 13-Oct-13 19:07:42

Yes why Ruby? And new furniture buying soundsenvy

I have bought the Lakeland clothes drier and DH and DD are moaning about it taking up too much spacesad

rubyrubyruby Sun 13-Oct-13 19:52:23

Because it will mean being away for 4 days (it's 2 hours away) and it's just not possible the week I'm needed.

It's only for 4 days - hopefully the opportunity will arise again. I just really want to do it and would love to just say yes and work out the logistics after but .....

CointreauVersial Sun 13-Oct-13 22:40:41

Evening all! Reporting back from my weekend "oop north".

The wedding went well - quite a small event but it was great to see all my slightly mad cousins (bride has seven siblings), DM, DB etc. There was a ghost present, however - cousin's first husband (who was DB's best friend and a lovely lovely man), who committed suicide a few years ago. Cousin's 16yo son gave a speech of such wit and confidence, telling his new stepdad how fantastic he is, how he loved to see his mum so happy after all the tough times; the bride then burst into tears of pride....well, there wasn't a dry eye in the house.

Then we were up early doors, and off to Alton Towers. I have to say, if you must go to a theme park while slightly hungover can I strongly suggest you go in the rain! There was absolutely no-one there, and thanks to my trusty Merrell Wakefield I stayed dry and cosy as we yomped from ride to ride. I must say, I do love a good rollercoaster thrill, especially when you don't have to queue.

I need to work on my "rollercoaster photo" pose though. God, it was like Halloween come early. grin

originalpiratematerial Sun 13-Oct-13 23:00:03

QueenQueenie - I'm honestly not quite sure what happened. I was quite inspired by some other people I know who turned from being non-runners into runners. And when I got to the point where I could actually run for 20 minutes without stopping, I found I was on such an endorphin-fuelled high that it just did get really addictive.

Cremolafoam Mon 14-Oct-13 00:06:56

I am currently working on couch to 5 metres. Going great!grin

In other news we have a fox which is being attracted by the Pygmy goats that live next door . The blimmin fox is sitting in our garden eyeing their enclosure. Our poor kitties are hiding under the bed. Even when I turn on the exterior lighting it just sits there licking its paws .confused brazenly.
Stropps do you have any anti- fox suggestions. ??[ thinking of your livestock experience]

Cv your weekend sounds brilliant. Hope you will share the roller coaster picgrin regardless

bigTillyMint Mon 14-Oct-13 06:55:44

Cremo, we have foxes that will brazenly stare you out in our tiny back yard. One even went into my NDN's kitchen.

CV, you are a trooperflowers

Pirate, I have never got into running on the roads (dodgy knees) I can, however, run for 20 or even 30 mins in the gym when I put my mind to it. It just makes me feel knackeredgrin

lalsy Mon 14-Oct-13 08:12:26

That is so lovely about the wedding speech.

And to lower the tone, BTM, I have the large Lakeland heated airer - is that what you have? It is .......big. But great.

motherinferior Mon 14-Oct-13 08:24:55

I also find the financial investment in running makes one want to get one's value out of it grin. The cliché about it being free...well, yes, once you've bought shoes (new pair clocked up on Sat), Restraining Undergarment (nuff said - have you seen the price of a shock absorber??) and anything else to accommodate/play the podcasts....I tell you, an old fraying swimsuit and a six-month swimming-pool membership is a damn sight cheaper.

I am also inspired by the fact I can do my bras up on smaller hooks.

herbaceous Mon 14-Oct-13 09:21:04

I'm beginning to wonder if I should do the C25K thingo. I've always hhard running with a fierce passion - it makes my shoulders feel funny, gives me asthma and I can feel my flab wobble - but I do need to get fitter, and this seems the easiest way of doing it.

Tho I'd need v specialist footwear - I've got badly pronating feet. No doubt they would cost a buggering fortune.

Feeling rather fragile post pork lunch. There are 9 (nine, IX) empty wine bottles in evidence, plus beer bottles. I fear there might be more evidence already in the dustbin. The pork was bloody lovely, and the quince jelly a total hit, we got through a whole jar!

Off for my haircut soon. Had been fed up with the droopy ageing rock chick look, and wanted a change, but typically it's now lying all nicely, making me wonder if I'll keep it long and just put it up in interesting ways. Hmmm.

Stropperella Mon 14-Oct-13 09:24:07

Crem, get a dog. And a shotgun. grin
(I have the former, but not the latter)
When I was a teen and living far out in the country, I had a terrier not dissimilar to the one I have now and almost every morning he used to ask to be let out at 5.30 or 6 to go and chase the fox out of the garden (we had a big garden and no near neighbours), but when they both got old they weirdly made friends. The dog still used to ask to be let out early in the morning, but if you looked into the garden you would see them both sitting side by side on the lawn. And when the fox died, the dog found his body in the wood and lay down beside it and wouldn't come home for hours. True Story.

I have dodgy knees and a squiffy hip and lower back issues, so you won't ever catch me taking up running but I do walk briskly for around 40 mins each day with the dog and occasionally power walk up hills. Aside from that, my circuits class twice a week is all that I do. During the summer there is usually a certain amount of running incorporated into the circuits class, but it's on a field which doesn't jar all my ricketty bits.

The Lakeland heated airer is most excellent. I use it in our bedroom, so it is out of the way and no one falls over it.

CV, sounds like the wedding was lovely. I can categorically state that I will never be taking my dcs to Alton Towers or anywhere like it. I feel sick just looking at rollercoasters and will never go on one. Dd went to Eurodisney last year with a friend and they went on all sorts, so I don't think she has ended up deprived of excitement due to my weediness.

originalpiratematerial Mon 14-Oct-13 11:45:43

Stropperella, what a fab story about the dog and the fox!

I have a severely autistic DS3 who is still prone to weeing in the garden - so we never see an urban fox around our place. I reckon my DS3 is like the vulpine equivalent of The Gruffalo - parent foxes tell their baby foxes to beware the monster at No. 56! Previously they used to be very bold, they would lie sunning themselves on the path and one practically had to step over them to hang out the washing.

MI speaks the truth about the cost of running gear. I actually find buying it weirdly addictive and am on first-name terms with all the staff in my nearest Runnersneed. I do also pick up cheapo bits in Sports Direct.

Cremolafoam Mon 14-Oct-13 12:15:07

Stropps that story is incredible. Just wonderful.
Well The Farmer has knocked the door this morning with his shotgun slung around his neck. He came to see if we'd seen the Fantastic Mr fox and so we have granted him unlimited access to our garden. He is sweating about his own sheep not surprisingly.. Much swearing about the other neighbours decorative pet goats which The Farmer referred to as Fox-Bait.winkconfused
It's like the Archers FGS .......
On the upside he did bring us a massive box of garden produce- curly kale anyone?
Going to disable the cat flap now so kitties are contained during the possible massacre.

Blackduck Mon 14-Oct-13 13:20:56

Stropps that is an amazing story! In London where my mum lives the foxes walk up the road in broad day light! Where I am they are more shy and you don't tend to see them, but the ripped bin bags are a sure sign they are around.

I have parents evening tomorrow - oh joy. And need to do the school stuff!

rubyrubyruby Mon 14-Oct-13 15:21:10

Amazing story Strops

I have a fox and running story! Was out jogging along a rural footpath once and heard my dog hurtling up behind me, except - it wasn't the dog it was a fox! closely followed by he dog

Sounds like a great weekend CV :-)

bigTillyMint Mon 14-Oct-13 17:01:22

lalsy, it is that one. I fear we are going to have to take it back - to a store as the packaging is f'd (put out in rain)angry

Stropps, what a luverly story about the fox and hound. And Cremo, about the farmer and fantastic Mr Fox!

DS and I spotted a teeny mouse the other night, so he sat with a baseball bat ready to batter it, but I think it must have seen it... I then bought some sticky glue traps and put one under the sofa... This morning DD stood on it in her fluffy socks grin Luckily there was no mouse on it, but she was not amused!

originalpiratematerial Mon 14-Oct-13 19:48:42

Double crepey day.

For the second time in as many weeks, I was offered a seat on public transport by a young man. I was very tempted to snarl, my Cooper is 2.02 km, lardass, what's yours, but I just smiled sweetly and declined the offer.

AND - I have an upper eye wrinkle. Obviously I have loads of wrinkles below my eyes, but now I have one exactly halfway between my eyebrow and my eyelid. FFS.

lalsy Mon 14-Oct-13 19:52:19

BTM, Oh no! We have it in our bedroom where it emits lovely gentle warm glow (especially when I have turned heating off for everyone else...), it is also excellent for hanging things off and putting piles of crap on top of. Sold?

Loving the fox stories.

originalpiratematerial Mon 14-Oct-13 19:54:21

Oh BTM that's such a shame! I got one a week ago and we are all in love with it. It warms the kitchen up a treat as well.

bigTillyMint Mon 14-Oct-13 20:24:01

DH is dead against it. And since his job is to hang the washing out, he won't use it. I will have to brave the crowds and carry it back to a shop under my arm as the packaging got trashed in the rainangry

Meanwhile DS's new footy boots (well he has probably played/trained in them about 30 times so far) have split. Because they are cheap versions. Yes, DH I am glaring at you as well as DS.

Blackduck Mon 14-Oct-13 20:26:40

Is numeral (written word, Roman numeral)? Going to become a crepey thing ;)

My boss is seriously contemplating leaving - will let me know this week. At least I have about 5 months before he actually buggers off sad. (I shouldn't moan having applied for another job myself at the weekend - although I am unlikely to get it)

This week do late every night so doing parents evening on my own, dealing with house etc. oh but Michelin starred meal on Friday smile

bigTillyMint Mon 14-Oct-13 20:39:09

BD, fingers crossed for you. And Michelin starred meal sounds fabenvy

motherinferior Mon 14-Oct-13 21:49:10

I actually can get on with some paid work tomorrow. Thank heavens.

Stropperella Mon 14-Oct-13 21:58:27

BTM, that's a real shame about the Lakeland airer - I use mine all the time and wouldn't be without it. It just folds up and slides behind a chest of drawers in the bedroom when not in use. It's fab.

BD, good luck with the job app.

Pirate, if you only have the one wrinkle above your eyes you're doing well. I have, er, somewhat more than one. But I have got so many wrinkles that have appeared en masse over the last year or so that I have simply stopped noticing them individually. I continue to be depressed about my neck, especially as I have noted that if I wear polo necks to cover the tortoise neck somehow this makes my jowls look distinctly flappier. I just need taking in all over <sigh>

Looking decrepit is slightly more on my mind than usual tonight as I have just committed more or less to going to a reunion of my year group at the school where I did my O Levels. There will therefore be many people that I have not seen since I was 16. It was a small school with just one class of 30 per year, so we all knew each other quite well, but I've only vaguely kept in touch with 2 or 3 people. I have just exchanged an email with someone I haven't seen for 32 years, reminiscing about the time we locked the music teacher in a cupboard and left him there all lesson. blush I suppose it is no wonder I found the incredibly strict boarding school I went to in the 6th form a bit oppressive. grin

alto1 Tue 15-Oct-13 00:16:33

Left my music on the train tonight - went back to the station when I realised and was lucky enough to find it still in Lost Property grin and make it to rehearsal in good time grin grin

Got silly week with big deadline, bigger regional meeting, extra rehearsal on Dd's birthday sad and all-day job interview, then concert. Dd willing to give me dispensation for rehearsal (she's heard me practising, so knows how much I need it) so I look forward to making it up to her on Fri.

She chose beautiful clothes when I took her present-shopping. When I think what I must have looked like at her age, I can hardly believe we're related.

hattymattie Tue 15-Oct-13 06:39:41

Gosh Stropps - I sort of love and hate the idea of a school reunion - morbid curiosity coupled with I don't want them to see how much I've aged.

Went to see Blue Jasmine yesterday - can definitely recommend. Cate Blanchett was brilliant.

No foxes here - just rats, which have been very low profile since we burnt the woodpile. <Wonders if foxes eat rats>

bigTillyMint Tue 15-Oct-13 07:06:34

Hatty, I don't have to go to a school reunion - FB allows you to see what at least some are doing now and how we have aged. And I am still in touch with a few of my close friends. TBH, there are only 2 girls that I would love to see that I have completely lost contact with - we were very close friends through 6th form to a few years into working.

Alto, I feel like that about my DD - aside from the fact that I had to wear homemade/mum-bought monstrosities till I was about 16 - she is soooo much prettier, fab figure, sportier (wouldn't be hard!) etc, etc than I was that I can barely believe we are related! And good luck with your interview!

hattymattie Tue 15-Oct-13 07:49:05

BTM - My school friends have all scattered and changed names. I still see a couple when I go home but the rest I have no clue.

On the subject of DD's - I think mine are the beautiful classy girls I would have liked to be. Alto I know exactly how you feel. I love the Mad Men style make up they seem to do now (more grunge and punk when I was Young).

Oh - just noticed the time - I'm colouring hair and I should be rincing now not doing MN <runs for shower>

addle Tue 15-Oct-13 08:02:13

mi and original pirate - do you really need 'stuff' for running? when i did just a bit i was just in old trainers - is that a v big mistake? never did run v far, just a mile a few times a week

and i feel same about my dd - seems to be mysteriously good at accessories - a gene that completely bypassed me - i get tangled in bags and scarves

lovely fox story. currently have sweet looking small female cat stalking my grumpy female cat who shat in the hallway ovrnight because of stress. could do with fox (but then would presumably need something to get rid of fox)

bigTillyMint Tue 15-Oct-13 08:06:39

addle, I was just thinking about how your DD is doing at uni - hope it's going OK!

DD currently has a wearing boy's sweatshirts/jumpers thing going on - she left with DS's huge Adidas jumper on this morning[conufused]

lalsy Tue 15-Oct-13 08:31:30

I too have paid work today and a lead from 6 months ago contacted me out of the blue yesterday - so hard as a freelance to know what is round the corner....

We had rats once - my rat man said you had to be very careful not to let them feel cornered confused. I have two under fours at the time, so quite often felt cornered myself, never mind the rats.

originalpiratematerial Tue 15-Oct-13 12:11:11

When I started I had reasonably good trainers, and a running top to keep boobs sort of under control. And I just used to wear an ordinary tee-shirt and ancient walking trousers. However, I had to get some proper running shoes before long as my shins hurt, and they really did help. And once I started exercising more often I had to buy more kit as I couldn't get stuff washed and dry again in time. And when I started running longer distances, I had to get stuff in technical fabric because otherwise I got very chilled running in sweaty clothes that stayed wet next to the skin. And I got too hot running in trousers of any kind so had to get proper running tights. And then it got really cold and snowy so I had to get a thermal running shirt. And gloves. And thermal running tights. And I was running at dusk or in the dark quite a bit, so I had to get some fluorescent stuff. And so on, and so on, and so on confused

bigTillyMint Tue 15-Oct-13 13:18:57

Gym looks cheap in comparisongrin

Circuits tonight, gulp!

herbaceous Tue 15-Oct-13 13:41:16

I walked briskly to and from school, the way back 'legs only' as I was carrying dry cleaning. Does that count?

I am now the (proud-ish) owner of a jowl-length bob. Think I like it. Think it avoids frumpdom.

Vaguely contemplating swing dance. I've always fancied it, and whenever I see footage it makes me smile, and the idea of actually being able to do it makes me smile even more. But the harsh reality will probably be stumbling around incompetently for five years before even doing anything half decent. And then always having to be the man.

rubyrubyruby Tue 15-Oct-13 13:47:17

What's 'swing' dance?
Is it anything to do with swingers? hmm

grin at jowel length herbs.

The gym 100metres up the road makes me feel like I ought to go - fortunately I usually exit the village in a different direction.

herbaceous Tue 15-Oct-13 14:08:23

Swing dance is Lindy Hop, ruby. Nothing, AFAIK, to do with swingers. That would take far too much energy.

I have a leisure centre quite near, but not quite near enough. And it's impossible to book things on the phone without getting up at 4am and gluing the phone, on redial, to one's ear. Of course, I do have the Shred DVD gathering dust downstairs, but frankly I CBA.

bigTillyMint Tue 15-Oct-13 15:05:27

ruby, we have a gym 100m up the road, and I go to itwink

Shred is so last year, Herbs!

motherinferior Tue 15-Oct-13 15:18:35

Don't talk about cats. There was another eviscerated rodent - just a mouse this time, thank the lawd - in our kitchen this morning. I must confess I bellowed this up to Mr Inferior and legged it to the swimming pool. Very good for the fitness regime, cats. You can avoid all sorts of carnage yet remain smug.

originalpiratematerial Tue 15-Oct-13 19:37:44

There's a new cat in the 'hood here which has discovered our poor guinea pig out back in her Eglu (we had two, sisters, but one carked it in the summer).

I fear this is a Stupid Cat which has not figured out that even though it can see our Martha, it cannot actually get at her. But it's a tad unsettling for Martha.

rubyrubyruby Tue 15-Oct-13 20:29:52

OPirate - I'm sorry, I haven't said hello smile
I haven't been on here much lately so I'm a bit behind.

Or are you a regular who's name changed?

motherinferior Tue 15-Oct-13 20:32:55

Apparently I am a cruel and unfeeling mother and it is all my fault if DD1 gets a late night again.

I made them empty the binsgringringrin

Cremolafoam Tue 15-Oct-13 21:16:01

Hi all, I have been lurking over on the hysterectomy boards but am back now: The Prodigal Crepey

Opinions on this coat please. I am yearning for a red smart coat .
Any other suggestions welcome on this subject .

The fox has been trapped by the farmer in a cage. I haven't asked what happens to it now. --can't bear it--confused

Stropperella Tue 15-Oct-13 21:44:51

Aww, poor old Reynard. It's not looking good for him. Of course, if he'd just popped round and slaughtered my chooks, I'd be somewhat less inclined to be kind. Hmm. That coat looks very nice, Crem. I can imagine you cutting a dash in that.

I'm just back from circuits. I do like chasing a young man round the room and then punching him. grin BTM, do you have young men to punch at your circuits class? grin

bigTillyMint Tue 15-Oct-13 21:45:00

Lovely, Cremo. And at a bargain price!
I have a very bright red corduroy coatsmile

bigTillyMint Tue 15-Oct-13 21:47:05

Stropps, no young men to punch at, we have a boxing-man punch-bag for that!

Stropperella Tue 15-Oct-13 21:52:04

LOL - he's not much good at running, though, is he?

Stropperella Tue 15-Oct-13 21:53:46

We sometimes have static things like that to kick/punch, but usually it's brave young people holding punch bags.

Cremolafoam Tue 15-Oct-13 22:43:11

Lol at you two running around like Cougarsgrin

Tis bargainous isn't it.
May have to build up to a BHS foray.

And now I even sound crepey . Might as well go to Country Casuals while I'm at itconfused

originalpiratematerial Tue 15-Oct-13 22:58:24

ruby I'm a very ancient poster from yonks ago, I have had a few half-hearted stabs at reintegrating but this is my most successful incarnation as yet.

mi knew who I was straight away but then she has the dubious pleasure of seeing me in RL from time to time, being in receipt of my email witterings, etc.

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 15-Oct-13 23:17:52

Have just met up with a friend I hadn't seen for 25 years. Curry in Brick Lane and then watched the Eid fireworks there. Lots of beautifully dressed women and girls hurrying past, in sad contrast to the underdressed orange teenagers I saw heading off to the Ministry of Sound on the way home. Why don't teenagers here wear coats? You would have thought it was August in Ibiza to see them.

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 15-Oct-13 23:18:25

<sounds very old indeed>

CointreauVersial Tue 15-Oct-13 23:21:31

Lovely coat, Crem, will really suit your colouring, but may not be very warm (I have the circulation of a slug, so such things are important).

All this running talk is making me feel guilty - I have somewhat fallen off the wagon recently, and these grotty autumn mornings aren't filling me with much enthusiasm. I have to say, I didnt find it too spendy, apart from the shoes (£85, although the identical replacement pair I bought on eBay a couple of months back were a lot cheaper).

It's supposed to bucket down tomorrow; DS and DD1 are seething because tomorrow's hotly anticipated 10 mile skive off school sponsored walk has been cancelled. DD2 has a school trip to Bough Beech reservoir and water treatment works, so I shall have to remember to dig out wellies and waterproofs.

bigTillyMint Wed 16-Oct-13 06:55:48

MrsS, have you never been to the Bigg Market?grin

And shock at cougars! It's not a bit like that in our circuit training - you would be grin if you saw us (and there are men doing it too - one looks 30 but is well over 50!!)

The DC are off on Thurs due to the strike - mine are planning all sorts of excitement - what about yours?

rubyrubyruby Wed 16-Oct-13 07:12:14

Thanks for updating me OPirate.

That coat will really suit you Crem - I can see you in it.

I can't see any S&B purchases happening this A/W for me but thankfully I had a good spend last year smile

Mine were off school a couple of weeks ago BTM.

lalsy Wed 16-Oct-13 08:17:45

Very impressed by all this running and exercise. I hurt my knee lying on the sofa hmm so have only been swimming recently. I think good shoes are really important but perhaps that comes of having dodgy knees.

Shall I buy a Woolover jumper - or two?

Blackduck Wed 16-Oct-13 08:24:40

Nowt wrong with woolovers Lalsy - as long as you are careful!

MrsS smile - that sounded like my mum..... - you'll get a cold in your kidneys, mark my words!

OldP - would I have known you in a previous incarnation? Been here forever - but not a prolific poster myself (except on these threads)

I am now sad that I haven't met Cremo and thus can't comment on her colouring/suitability for a red coat....

In other news a potential new opportunity has come up here at work - am tempted - need to think about it....

beachyhead Wed 16-Oct-13 08:44:32

I like that coat, Crem, but not sure how snuggly it will be....

I would love to run (well, not love, but like the idea!), but like Stropps, I have lower back issues, which I think would get jammed by pounding the roads, no matter how good my shoes are....

I would like targeted exercise for the area below my boobs and above my hips, where it is all getting barrelly... Do any Crepey's have any ideas? I do walk up hills 5 times a week, at a puff inducing rate, so not too worried about the basic fitness.

I spotted a wrinkle on my foot yesterday! I looked down and could have sworn I had pop sox on, but no, it was crinkly American tan coloured skin confused

Liking the sound of the jowl length bob, Herbs.

Stropperella Wed 16-Oct-13 09:57:49

Beachy, I've now been doing circuits twice a week for 2 years and it has changed the shape of my middle which was tending to squidge before, despite daily walks. Aside from a lot of punching, we do HIT training and a great deal of abs work. I'm very pleased with the returns I get for only 2 hrs work a week. It costs me only £4 per session and the only kit you really need is a decent pair of trainers and a sports bra and whatever clothing you feel comfortable exercising in - oh and boxing gloves. I wear something similar to these My knees are now a lot less dodgy than when I started because I've built the supporting muscle up and my back is only intermittently grumbly.

QueenQueenie Wed 16-Oct-13 10:17:34

Beachy, have you done or thought about Pilates? Very good for lower back isdues if you have a good teacher. .. and it doesn't make you purple faced which has got to be a bonus!
Thought of you as I booked tickets for Ghosts at the Almeida last night. Are you going? Rave reviews.

motherinferior Wed 16-Oct-13 10:21:53

I did pilates for years. V much helped me get back into my clothes after DD2, but I still billowed embarrassingly around the gunt. However, it has proved invaluable with running, as I quite deliberately focus on that core area and try and keep upright with it all pulled in. Hence the smaller bra hooks.

I am eyeing the White Company's new knitwear covetously grin thanks to v generous birthday present from Lovely Friends grin

Suspect my two will lounge vigorously in PJs tomorrow.

bigTillyMint Wed 16-Oct-13 10:44:43

I am really rubbish at pilates - can't seem to get the hang of it at all. I loved the active yoga that my BFF and I did ante and post-natal both times, but have never found anything similar.

I think the circuit training we do helps with re-shaping. I am curiously quite good at the core stuff, less so with anything involving my arms! It's actually very interesting to see how different builds/ages do better with different exercises.

DD seems to be hatching a plan with her friend to go into town this evening to eat (as friend will be sleeping over at ours)hmm And DS and his mates may be going on a trip to the shops tomorrow!

Stropperella Wed 16-Oct-13 10:53:03

I found pilates really dull, but I did some core conditioning classes over the summer which were similar to pilates but a bit fiercer. Personally, if I don't go a bit purple, I feel cheated. grin I wear a very bright pinky-red top to my circuits class and quite often get told "woohoo, you must be working hard, you have a colour match".

beachyhead Wed 16-Oct-13 10:53:54

OK, so I've registered with the local Leisure Centre.... and I've got a Willaid appointment. What are you lot like! I'll be a proper grown up person soon.

QQ, will check availability for Ghosts soon as have a few Traveldodgy nights booked in over the coming weeks.

I would just like to say to all of you who larfed at my Darth Vadar poncho.....have you looked out of the window today? I Rest My Case grin

Stropperella Wed 16-Oct-13 10:54:30

Dd's school is off tomorrow, but ds's isn't. I dunno why but they never strike. Ds is somewhat displeased.

originalpiratematerial Wed 16-Oct-13 11:25:35

I find matwork Pilates a bit dull, but I love machine-based Pilates - I go to a great place just off High Holborn. My Pilates teacher is having a baby in December though - I will really miss her, she's brilliant.

I know what you mean about keeping upright and keeping everything pulled in whilst running, mi [nods sagely].

motherinferior Wed 16-Oct-13 11:34:09

I had a fab pilates group. We still meet up to, er, eat and drink. We used to get into trouble for chatting so much blush

herbaceous Wed 16-Oct-13 11:35:38

I did a DIY C25K on the way back from the school run, involving intervals of running 20 paces, walking 30 20 paces. It was reasonably tiring, so I feel I've done my bit.

So cross. I'm v short of money, and had managed to sell an old Vivienne Westwood corset on Etsy for £100! Woot, I thought. Then I got a parking fine of £100 for overstaying my welcome in Homebase. Weep.

Cremolafoam Wed 16-Oct-13 11:44:56

Very impressed with dedication to exercise you lot. I am yearning to get back to the pool, but not allowed yet .

Beachy( in poncho) yes agree the coat prob not that warm but I do have a fur lined parka for Baltic days. The red would be for smart lady shopping/ cleaning up ones act in one fail swoop should the occasion call for it.

Dh's new obsession is baking( rolls eyes) so my gunt has NO HOPE whatsoever . On the upside he made
extaordinaire petit croissants at the weekend grin

Cremolafoam Wed 16-Oct-13 11:46:15

Oh herbsshock truly bad luck

Stropperella Wed 16-Oct-13 11:47:10

Herbs, what a bummer!

motherinferior Wed 16-Oct-13 12:01:33

I managed to clip the wing mirror on someone's car a while ago and had to shell out £120. I feel your pain...

Cremolafoam Wed 16-Oct-13 12:06:17

I got a parking ticket for 'parking outside the lines' in a private car park last year. Bloody infuriating as I'd just bought a bargain in Tkmaxx but adding the parking ticket makes it now the most expensive item in my wardrobe.wink ( silk top I wore at meetup)

motherinferior Wed 16-Oct-13 12:28:47

I of course wore vests when that age. Along with the many jumpers that Pirate, of course, will recall in reality. She probably hasn't recovered yet.

CointreauVersial Wed 16-Oct-13 13:01:57

I did Pilates for a few years, but stopped when we moved house, as it was too far to trek. It certainly firmed things up post-baby, but I didn't see a lot of difference. Running has totally taken away my lower back troubles, though (sorry Beachy, you'll have to think of a better excuse wink). Just like MI, I try to keep my core muscles tightened while I jog.

Parking tickets are the worst, aren't they? BUT BUT BUT Herbs if it's a private company ticketing you (presume it's one of those ones that photos you as you drive in/out) you are within your rights (I believe) to ignore it, and they can't get you. I'm sure there are MN threads about it, or look at Martyn Lewis. Only ones issued by councils etc. are enforceable.

Teaching strike? I only heard about it yesterday; our schools never seem to be affected (must be a different union?). DS and DD1's school have INSET days Thursday and Friday anyway!

herbaceous Wed 16-Oct-13 13:17:18

Ooh really CV? It is indeed a private company, the letter bristling with pictures of my car entering and exiting. But it's full of scary phrases such as 'recovery action' and stuff...

beachyhead Wed 16-Oct-13 13:44:28

There was also a recent legal case where, if the ticket didn't have the procedure for appeal clearly stated on it, then it was null and void.

Might need to do a bit of googling. Also private companies are terrible for having the 'correct' signage etc, so you may be able to appeal on that.

Think I may need to buy running shoes. To be honest, my dsis has managed the c25k and is now running 3 times a week, so I really should be able.

motherinferior Wed 16-Oct-13 13:44:51


and here

herbaceous Wed 16-Oct-13 14:05:15

Yes! I've had a peruse. It seems one has to be steely and determined, and ignore the letter and eventually they give up. Or I could appeal the amount on the grounds that it far exceeds the 'damages' that one's parking fine is apparently offsetting. Sounds a hassle, but for £100...

bigTillyMint Wed 16-Oct-13 14:12:15

Running isn't for everyonewink I much prefer to be in the gym, or to do a long but fast walk outside.

Hooray! I've finished my work paperwork - such a boring jobsmile

bigTillyMint Wed 16-Oct-13 14:12:39

Go for it Herbs!

herbaceous Wed 16-Oct-13 17:55:08

I have a tedious food safety question. We made roast pork at the weekend. The leftovers were made into a ragu sauce last night. We didn't eat it all, so I put the sauce in the fridge. Is that ok to reheat? Isn't there a rule about reheating food more than once?

Cremolafoam Wed 16-Oct-13 18:15:01

"You can reheat pork but it is only recommended that you do that once. If the pork is frozen, then it has to be given time to thaw first before reheating. The fat content of pork helps to keep it soft during reheating."

Wouldn't recommend herbs according to above advice from HPA

herbaceous Wed 16-Oct-13 18:20:20

Poop. That does seem to be the general consensus. I reheated some for DS's dinner, but mercifully he didn't like it.

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 16-Oct-13 20:28:45

I would eat it. I use my nose to sniff and it has never let me down - nor have I been ill from my cooking or made anyone else ill.

I have a non-style and beauty question, regarding DD1's asthma. Her asthma is ALWAYS triggered by a chest infection. If she gets antibiotics from the get-go, with steroids as a potential back up, she generally recovers quickly and avoids a stay in hospital. Our last doctor got this completely, but those we have seen recently, have preferred to "see how it goes" with more blue puffer. So as a result, we have had a couple of stints off school, really quite unwell, and having to be given a massive dose of strong antibiotics for two weeks to treat the chest infection (which made her feel sick all the time). I don't want to "see how it goes." I want her to have a short course of cheap antibiotics to stop the infection NOW, not to have to either end up in hospital or be off school for several days. How do I get this across without being seen as a stroppy cow?

QueenQueenie Wed 16-Oct-13 21:06:24

I think you pretty much say what you posted Mrs S with a firm tone of voice and a steely glint in your eye... Maybe make an appointment now (when she's not ill) to discuss?

bigTillyMint Wed 16-Oct-13 21:10:27

I think we probably would too, MrsS. I have never made anyone ill from my cooking either, AFAIK! We all have cast-iron stomachs anyway!

Re the GP. Hmmm. Do you see the same one each time? Could you go in with the dates of illnesses and medication, etc and then discuss how it was managed en France? And be assertive about itgrin If they won't do what you suggest, make them agree that if the result is hospital/time off school, they will give your plan a go the next timeangry

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 16-Oct-13 21:23:46

We've seen two doctors at Tommy's. I had the school nurse on the phone when DD1 was ill at school, saying she would "see how she goes." I explained that this was always triggered by a chest infection. She said she would take her to the doc the next day if she had not improved. She took her to the doc, said she had explained what I had said, doc wanted to "see how it goes." She then had the emergency doc out that night, who prescribed the antibiotics - the strong ones, a two week course. I didn't quite say to the nurse "I told you so," but I did say that it was important that she and the school doctor understood that there was always, always a chest infection behind DD1's asthma, and it never improved without antibiotics. Nurse said she would "put it in the notes." DD1 is always ill in November, so I am bracing myself. Our last GP in UK understood this, and made sure I always had a course of amoxycillin and steroids to hand, so that we could jump in with the meds immediately, as did the doc in France. And it absolutely worked.

originalpiratematerial Wed 16-Oct-13 21:28:38

Totally know where you are coming from, MrsS. We had very similar experiences with DS1. For some reason, however, a couple of years ago (when he was in Year 7) he started being prescribed amoxycillin for his winter cough, seemingly as a matter of course. I can't take any credit for this though - I suspect it may just have been a change of policy at our local health centre.

beachyhead Wed 16-Oct-13 22:55:03

We had the same with ds and severe ear infections when he was younger. My lovely GP at the time always gave me a dry (non mixed up) bottle of penicillin with instructions on how to 'make it'. It saved our bacon on a number of holidays.....

Personally, I'm always keen on giving written instructions to school on these things. I don't really care what they think - they know I'm a stroppy cow!

CointreauVersial Wed 16-Oct-13 23:09:39

Herbs, glad to hear you are fighting against the scourge of private parking enforcement. A couple of years ago, a friend and I both got tickets in the Reigate Morrisons carpark for overstaying. I paid up; she didn't, and after ignoring the threatening letters she got away scot free.

CointreauVersial Wed 16-Oct-13 23:13:23

And I can't help on the antibiotics question because, amazingly enough, none of mine have ever had any! <touches wood>

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 16-Oct-13 23:20:13

CV - when we had been in Paris just short of four years, I had to take DD2 to the doctor for something, and he looked very shocked and said "I didn't know you had another daughter!" It was the first time he'd seen her.

motherinferior Thu 17-Oct-13 08:53:23

Effing blinding sodding arsing perimenopause

<shoves sheets in washing machine>

angry angry angry angry angry angry

bigTillyMint Thu 17-Oct-13 09:04:01

MI, I feel your pain - been there. As was very embarrassed friend who came to stay. It's not good.

MrsS, good luck with the meds problem.

It was all quiet at our house this morning as no teens off to school - bliss!
DD and her friend went into town to TGI Fridays last night (with boys I think, but they weren't giving anything away!) and then sleepover in the loft - I'm sure my life was nothing like as exciting at their ageenvy I certainly don't remember any strike days.

motherinferior Thu 17-Oct-13 09:08:12

My lot are still asleep envy

CointreauVersial Thu 17-Oct-13 09:32:38

DD1 has just crawled out of bed and into the kitchen to make herself a hot chocolate. DS is at a sleepover, then going to Guildford with friends. DD2, meanwhile, had a face like a smacked bottom this morning as she was ushered into the car to school. grin

And I have a Day Off today. smile I have to supervise yet more window installation (the glass in both new patio doors turned out to have been scratched in transit, so the sealed units have to be replaced), and clean this filthy pit of a house from top to bottom. If you see me back on MN this morning, tell me off.

BTM - are you "on strike" then?

motherinferior Thu 17-Oct-13 09:55:04

I really cannot gee myself up to do much. Especially with the Inferiorettes lounging downstairs; DD1 has eaten pitta bread with tuna mayo sweetcorn for breakfast, and DD2 has stuffed herself on two chocolate chip brioches. I am glad they are having a nice day grin envy

herbaceous Thu 17-Oct-13 10:08:35

Naturally DS woke up earlier than usual, as there's no school. We've already had dancing the conga, wearing a chef's hat and his various 'staff' accessories (whistles and 'lanyard'), while pretending to make pumpkin soup. He's exhausted the miniscule clips of DVDs he wants to watch and is now clamouring to play Angry Birds on my phone.

It's going to be a long day.

Fortunately I'm taking him out for an airing to Valentine's Mansion (scene of the first few series of Bake Off) to run about with his friends until he drops.

Stropperella Thu 17-Oct-13 10:14:39

Ds made his point by getting up extra-early this morning and playing the piano extremely loudly before 8am. That's in the room right underneath dd's bedroom. As she is going through the most contrary phase EVER, she was moaning last night that she would miss her art lesson because of the strike. Never mind that she moans every other day that she hates going to school at all. <sigh>

MrsS, I second everyone else: I reckon if you go to the GP armed with a stern and assertive attitude and give him/her dd1's history, you should get a change of tune. And put it in writing for the school.

MI, I'm beginning to think I may need to replace my mooncup with a moonbucket..

hattymattie Thu 17-Oct-13 11:25:57

Does menopause make one feel weepy for no apparent reason or is that just me?

CointreauVersial Thu 17-Oct-13 11:53:39

Taking a wee breather from cleaning and keeping an eye on the dishy young Aussie who's doing the windows.

Menopause just makes me cross. Having said that, only one period in the last 12 months ain't so bad (even if it was a 29 day whopper).

Blackduck Thu 17-Oct-13 11:54:07

Hi all - waves weakly- sorry to hear about all the various crap in people's lives. Dp got me up at 5.00 this morning so I am a tad tired. Also lots to think about and feeling headachy and eye twitchy (not good)

Have hugs, gin, biscuits, flowers!!

Cremolafoam Thu 17-Oct-13 12:34:25

Hattie , some light weeping here , so normal I reckon.
Have started HRT today which may or may not help with weeping/ steamy hot flushes/ wanting to mass murder anyone in my way.wink

bigTillyMint Thu 17-Oct-13 13:10:42

"Dishy" CV, you are showing your crepiness. Surely he is buff?!

<links arms with Cremo> HRT has saved my sanity (and my bedsheetsgrin)

No, I'm not on strike as it would only impact on my colleagues and kids - there are only 2 of us who could strike so we wouldn't shut and no-one would be any the wiser that we were striking. If our TA's go on strike though, we will come out too.

motherinferior Thu 17-Oct-13 13:18:22

AIBU to ask a perfectly competent 12 year old to put a tray of ready prepared cauliflower into the oven when it tings? Well, am I? Am I???

bigTillyMint Thu 17-Oct-13 13:20:13

YABU. Mums are there to run about after everyone and do everything.

motherinferior Thu 17-Oct-13 13:25:47

Both Inferiorettes now in own rooms with doors firmly shut grin

Maybe I'll eat lunch on my own. With a glass of wine. And the bar remains of the chocolate.

hattymattie Thu 17-Oct-13 14:14:48

YANBU - They didn't cook or come out of their rooms, you get the chocolate MI.

Think I may go and ask for HRT - otherwise we'll end up divorced! No flooding though - I think that's because I still have a mirena.

Hope you're feeling better Crem.

hattymattie Thu 17-Oct-13 14:17:22

My friend want's to invite an ex diplomat to our bookclub - feeling a bit intellectually terrorised. Usually I'm too tired by the time I get there to contribute anything meaningful other than "yeah I really liked/disliked the book". I'm going to have to up my game. <Longing for the days when it was just a drink and a chat>

CointreauVersial Thu 17-Oct-13 14:25:45

Dishy grin yes, I suppose it is a bit of an "oooh, young maaaan!" description.

But "buff" is what I've just been doing to my dining room table, surely?wink

motherinferior Thu 17-Oct-13 14:28:09

and you wouldn't want to do to him?

bigTillyMint Thu 17-Oct-13 14:38:10

Hatty, are diplomats that intellectual?! Anyway, I thought book clubs were all about the winewink

addle Thu 17-Oct-13 14:57:06

Hatty, I did a lot of weeping when I was perimenopausal - the copy on album covers set me off particularly badly, god knows why. and there was/is the rage too.

herbaceous Thu 17-Oct-13 15:07:43

I seem to get The Rage more than would seem reasonable, even for one I possession of a four-year-old. It's really not fair on him that his lighthearted japery at bend time should elicit such shouting in me. But HRT seems a bit much ATM. Any herbal solutions?

bigTillyMint Thu 17-Oct-13 15:13:38

Yes, I had the weeping and the rage, both not nearly so bad now I'm on HRT.

motherinferior Thu 17-Oct-13 15:17:04

Gin has herbs in it, innit. Juniper berries. I know this stuff because I am a health journalist.

Cremolafoam Thu 17-Oct-13 15:49:44

Evening primrose is supposed to be good if you want expensive pee

Dunno herbs: it's your oestrogen running out , so the logical thing seems to be to replace it for a while.

Blackduck Thu 17-Oct-13 16:48:44

I have found the Rage has decreased actually - like my hormones
are much better balanced. Weeping - hmm sometimes, like CV I had one (maybe two) floods and that's it. I have stopped drinking and that definitely makes a big difference to the flushes (damn!!) my Dr is resistant to HRT because I have had migraines in the past.
On a separate note - is it really only Thursday confused don't think I can do another day....

bigTillyMint Thu 17-Oct-13 18:18:41

BD, I know what you mean re only Thursday! Still, another week and then I get a week offsmile

DS returned home with Puma Suedes and his mates who had also bought trainers (one 3 pairs of Vans!) DD is at a friends. Hope there's no homework to be done!

hattymattie Thu 17-Oct-13 18:56:47

Grr - alternately feeling weepy and angry now as DD1 has just reminded me that I agreed to pick her up from a party tomorrow. No alcohol for me Friday night angry.

BTM - you are so right - book clubs are supposed to be about wine. I think mine is definitely getting too serious.

herbaceous Thu 17-Oct-13 19:02:47

Back from day of multiple parks, including Valentine's Mansion in Ilford where, super-excitingly, I saw the celeb Bake Off tent. Sadly, no celebs or judges in evidence.

Unlike last year, where I saw the celebs, went into the camera end of the marquee, right into the judging 'gazebo', and took home a tea towel I found on the ground with a bit of cake mixture on, possibly touched by Saint Mary of Berry herself. It's now framed in the kitchen, and I charge admission to come and genuflect before it.

Cremolafoam Thu 17-Oct-13 19:43:31

Herbs was it you who saw Paul Holywood out having a fag?

herbaceous Thu 17-Oct-13 19:44:30

Don't think so. I did see his tan glowing from half a mile away, though.

Cremolafoam Thu 17-Oct-13 19:50:24

Gone right off him this year.
Still enjoy Mary B saying " scrummie"

lalsy Thu 17-Oct-13 20:13:57

I love GBBO and all who sail in her, apart from Paul H whom I suspect of being quite unpleasant. Herbs, I have tea towel

bigTillyMint Thu 17-Oct-13 20:15:23

Hatty, is your book club in French or English?

Herbs, tan glowinggrin Reminds me of when David Cameron rocked up at DD's school and her friend said his tan had come off on her hand when they shook!

herbaceous Thu 17-Oct-13 20:18:39

Do you know, it WAS me who saw PH fagging it up? Christ. I've got dementia.

I've always thought PH is a tool, and inserts cake into his mouth with his hand at a weird angle, but St M of B has sometimes lowered herself to his level this series, which is frankly shocking.

alto1 Thu 17-Oct-13 21:41:07

She's not St Anything of Anywhere to me since she said feminism was a dirty word ( or wtte).

Crem, no wonder you were homicidal, they made you wait weeks for HRT. And BD, my migraine didn't become unmanageable till I stopped HRT. I actually went back on it for 3 more years, in sheer desperation. Nothing else worked.

Cremolafoam Thu 17-Oct-13 22:26:54

Alto I actually had no idea that my hormones would crash so dramatically so quickly. Somehow thought there would be more of a tailing off . A nurse did say to me not to delay making a gp appointment to get the HRT and yesterday was the first I could get( it's day 20 today) which I made the day I left hospital.
At no point was HRT or aftermath discussed at any stage by any doctor.
They basically sent me home with 24 paracetamol tablets.shock No follow up with consultant either.

PH is a w@-/;£r IMHO. All that flirty business with Ruby is gross.
Agree lady st Mary berry obe needs her own televisual vehicle away from the Scouse Baker.grin
Lol herbs- you crepey you!grin

MrsSchadenfreude Fri 18-Oct-13 00:19:53

Hatty - British diplomats are not remotely intellectual and they love a bottle glass of wine. Trufact.

MrsSchadenfreude Fri 18-Oct-13 00:22:09

It's not called the dipsomatic service for nothing.

Sorry am a bit pissed. grin

bigTillyMint Fri 18-Oct-13 07:10:05

I'm afraid I have to agree about PH, despite the fact that he is from my homeland.

And that is what I had heard too, MrsS!

Cremo, fingers crossed the hormones kick in quick.

wilbur Fri 18-Oct-13 08:43:35

Morning ladies. Had a crazy busy week which included a flying visit to Manchester to see a play (starting at 11am) and still get back in time to do class drinks for ds2's class that I have been roped into organising. Doing PTA rep stuff this year may have been mistake as a rep in one of the other classes is some I have found tedious for a couple of years and she has now elevated herself to full PITA status and I want to punch her. Usually I am pretty laid back about other people's weirdness, but this woman is a piece of work and has already accused one of the other reps (a very lovely person, very gentle) of being underhand in trying to organise a parents' night out without asking the whole year shock.

Anyhoo - on the trip to Manchester I very excitingly met the woman who co-directed the Paralympics Opening Ceremony, and she was telling me about some of her work in Bangladesh and the life of the disabled there, which pretty much put my annoyance at my train being delayed into perspective...

Crem - sorry to hear about bad follow-up from your op, that's v poor. Hope it improves soon.

BD - what's the new job opportunity? Sounds like it's worth considering given how fed up you have been about work stuff recently.

alto1 Fri 18-Oct-13 09:48:47

Crem, same thing happened to me, then GP refused HRT because of my Hughes syndrome (not good reason). I had to phone consultant etc. then pharmacist said they didn't have it in stock. I looked him in the eye. He decided to break into a packet of something else to get what I needed. I swear if he hadn't done that he'd have needed to call the Tactical Support Group. I think he knew grin

And I felt better within hours. You?

hattymattie Fri 18-Oct-13 09:55:37

BTM - book club is in English and at risk of outing myself diplomat is Canadian so probably better behaved than British - let me know what you think Mrs S.

I have appointment with gynae in November - hoping she'll just bung me a packet of someting to adjust mood swings, irrational fear of diplomats and binging on McVities Chocolate Digestives which they are now selling round the corner - a very bad move for my waistline.

Cremolafoam Fri 18-Oct-13 12:57:34

Hatty- what if this waistline of which you speakwink?
Feel like a Graf Zeppelin ...

Alto - I am definitely an improved version of myself today. Feeling much less wibbly and woolly headed.
Can it really work that fast ?

bigTillyMint Fri 18-Oct-13 13:12:44

Cremo, I thought you'd lost a pineapple of weight! I am feeling very blobby!

Cremolafoam Fri 18-Oct-13 13:17:37

Still puffy and swollen tho BTM .not a damn thing I can do about that for another 6 weeks at least. Sedate walking and light stretching is the limit. Even that leaves me knackered.
Internally still knitting together- bleurgh.

bigTillyMint Fri 18-Oct-13 13:19:42

Yes, that must be very frustrating. I would be the size of a house if I couldn't exercise and was sitting around bored eating all sorts of crap.

CointreauVersial Fri 18-Oct-13 18:01:37

Hmmm, I'm still on the fence HRT-wise. Still hoping optimistically that the worst is now behind me, and I don't have to resort to any more hormones..... Crem, you poor thing, I hadn't considered the impact of your hormone levels literally falling off a cliff post-op. Keep stretching those abs, though.

TFI Friday! Although it was a slow day in the office; I switched on my PC to find a large red virus warning, which put it out of use for most of the day. So I mooched about doing this and that.

Meanwhile, DS and DD1 were home alone (INSET day 2). I came back to a sticky kitchen (smoothies and toasted sandwich-making), and towels and toenails all over the living room (DS decided to dig the foot-spa out of the loft and give himself a little pedicure, the big jessie).

bigTillyMint Fri 18-Oct-13 19:25:13

CV, that's just the kind of thing DS would dosmile

Stropperella Fri 18-Oct-13 20:00:02

I do not like the idea of HRT at all. My experiences of hormonal contraception were all extremely negative - and believe me I dedicated more than a few years to the experiment. Also, I always had dire flooding and icky clots during periods and was on tranexamic acid and various other things all the way through my 20s and 30s. Also often had vomiting and diarrhoea 24 hrs before and always had to use super-plus everything and STs as well. Was always a nightmare at work. To be honest, since I had ds at 40 this has all been a lot better and even now it's not (yet) anywhere near as bad as it was 20 years ago. I have also always been prone to extreme PMT rage and that's no different than before either. I just find that my hair growth cycle is pathetically short, my skin has nil elasticity and I can't bloody well remember anything. confused Also, I get knackered much more easily and it takes me days to recover.

bigTillyMint Fri 18-Oct-13 20:26:33

Are you me, Stropps?! I had fainting on periods in my 20's, but no vomiting or problems with my hair. I only did the pill for about 5 years. And it did improve briefly after the DC, but then got significantly worse in my early 40's.

Stropperella Fri 18-Oct-13 20:38:28

The hair thing (together with baggy skin and rubbish memory) has arrived in my 40s, so I'm assuming that's to do with my hormones. I used to only have wavy hair. The insane frizz has all happened post-ds. It's clearly his fault. grin

bigTillyMint Fri 18-Oct-13 20:41:19

My hair was much more wavy pre-DC's!

lalsy Fri 18-Oct-13 20:57:07

I get enormous cold sores, thus flagging up my state to all who know me, and have had phases of having monster, but short, periods with revolting clots. What a system, and why haven't they invented injectable chocolate?

I have sleeping over boys in my living room, so can't go and celebrate Friday in customary G and T on the sofa till I doze off dribbling fashion.

hattymattie Sat 19-Oct-13 09:31:20

lalsy - it's so annoying when the teens take over the living room. I really need a house with another wing! Maybe you should doze off in dribbling fashion in front of them - that would crap their style wink

bigTillyMint Sat 19-Oct-13 09:34:20

Well crepey moment here - schlepped off to return the clothes airer angry and only realised in the shop that I have forgotten my purseshock I had swapped bags, it was early morning and I have a cold..... Now have big credit note - will need ideas on what to spend it on in Lakeland! Lucky I keep an emergency tenner in my phone - to pay for carpark and much needed coffee!!!

lalsy Sat 19-Oct-13 09:59:17

Oooh BTM, big Lakeland credit note, Saturdays don't get more exciting than that!

Hattie, that certainly would..... They have shuffled off now leaving skittles packets and coke cans strewn around - could be worse I suppose.

Blackduck Sat 19-Oct-13 11:46:02

H all, lovely, lovely dinner ... Yum, could do it all again! Just a shame we couldn't make the maximum of the hotel, but had to get back for the hound and ds... Fancied a mooch round Cheltenham......

Work wise boss has indeed resigned, will go in March, but the admin head of school has also been headhunted for a new role elsewhere in the organisation so I am eyeing up her post....

HRT - my dr is very resistant to any medication unless your life is unbearable! I can't say mine is really, periods have disappeared (it seems) no rage, and hot flushes in control now i'ved stopped drinking.

hattymattie Sat 19-Oct-13 12:28:14

er - should have said cramp their style - mind "crap" might do as well.

BC - not drinking controls hot flushes sad

Blackduck Sat 19-Oct-13 13:27:20

Hi Hatty - yes - a trawl round the net suggested cutting alcohol down/out helps and I certainly have found it to be true. Bummer, but there you go, I'd rather have a good nights sleep sans the sweats than a glass (or three) of red....

Cremolafoam Sat 19-Oct-13 13:54:40

Haven't had a drink since I saw you lot shock so can't be the reason I woke up in drenched sheets and a wet nightie last night. Had to change the sheets at 4am and in the end dh slept on the sofa as in his words " I keep dreaming I am a pizza burning on a flame grill"
Horror. Feeling lightly sautéed this morning.

hattymattie Sat 19-Oct-13 14:11:14

Gosh Crem - haven't been that bad yet - I'm obviously not yet in the full thows ...

Stropperella Sat 19-Oct-13 14:15:47

I've had fairly drenching night sweats for a number of years, but I think they're all anxiety-related as I generally wake up in a pool of sweat with my heart hammering after a hideous dream about seeing the dcs blown to pieces in a war zone or something similarly unpleasant. I find cutting back on the booze tends to reduce the incidence of this kind of thing as well. Sad but true.

Cremolafoam Sat 19-Oct-13 14:17:48

Just had a second shower.
Hatty I am sure everybody is individual so no don't expect things to deteriorate necessarily.

bigTillyMint Sat 19-Oct-13 15:44:54

Cremo, that's awful - I did have a few of those moments too, but it doesn't help that DH is like a bloody flame grill!

Stropperella Sat 19-Oct-13 17:31:33

Aww no Crem. I hope things settle for you sooner rather than later. Has your dh baked anything tasty today??

Stropperella Sat 19-Oct-13 17:32:19

Just thinking that a bit of tasty baking sometimes helps. Or even the smell of baking...

Cremolafoam Sat 19-Oct-13 17:45:56

There is talk of a Victoria sponge filled with our own homegrown raspberries in the sandwich bit.

He is moving on the choux pastry soon. We have had Danish pastries this week as a follow on from Les croissants. Dd has scoffed the lot tbh as with the diabetes I don't really
Trying to encourage him towards sourdough and focaccia so I can partake a bit.

bigTillyMint Sat 19-Oct-13 17:59:36

Yummm! Sounds like GBBO chez Cremo! Just watched last episode on catchup - that Ruby is so annoying, but I bet she'll bloody win.

hattymattie Sat 19-Oct-13 18:08:24

I second yummmm - just fancy a nice cuppa with a slice of Victoria Sponge loaded with Crem's home grown strawberries. smile

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 19-Oct-13 18:13:59

I had an exciting afternoon. I went "up west" to change an ironing board cover in John Lewis. I drooled over a Kitchen Aid, bought a few bits from the food hall and came home. MI dropped in on her way back from the IWM and we Partook Of Wine. grin

wilbur Sat 19-Oct-13 18:17:03

I have a new fridge! I'm so excited! Old fridge came with house and was a huge (but mysteriously impossible to fit stuff in) US-style one from the 1970s. I imagine it used all the electricity and it was useless for actual family life as we always lost stuff at the back and couldn't see it as the shelves were opaque. It froze stuff that was too close to the back too - a lot of veg met its death that way. I found 3 almost full jars of cranberry sauce (bog standard/with added booze/organic), 3 bottles ketchup, 2 bottles salsa etc etc. Also found some mini chocolate muffins in the freezer bit smile.

Crem - dh made damper bread today, which was basically a huge cheese scone, which we had with broccoli and cheddar soup, blimming marvellous. I will tell him that other husbands are making choux pastry though... I don't know how far along you are with scar healing, but a friend who has just had a rather grim shoulder op - which was supposed to be keyhole but they ended up using an entire doorway - has been raving about Heal Gel which has helped her scarring a lot apparently, and soothed all the inflamed skin around it. I think you can only use it once things are knitted back together, but it was developed for burns victims so it's very gentle but effective.

Right, is it wine time? I think there might be some in the shiny new fridge. grin

wilbur Sat 19-Oct-13 18:20:53

Am thinking of making these tomorrow, but substituting a mix of apple sauce and cranberry sauce for the pumpkin. Do you reckon it will work? It's mainly the maple glaze I'm after...

Cremolafoam Sat 19-Oct-13 18:34:21

envy Of new fridge wibur and your viewing of kitchenaids mrs s.
I would bloody love one in bright lipstick red - I get very hoity looking at the pastel selection of kitchenaids lined up in GBBo

Agree BTM I find Ruby hard to like too.
Dh loves chocolate eclaires , hence the choux pastry. I don't think he' ll be doing pyramids of profiteroles any time soon.confused

Cremolafoam Sat 19-Oct-13 19:06:07

Oh Wilbur I also have some Heal Gel: it is rather good but tummy still too raw for it. The iodine I was doused with by surgeon has reacted badly with my skin. Just for fun I had a flu jab on Thursday as well so I have an egg sized bump on my arm as well.
I lack all style and beauty -on the upside I am a truly prepared for Halloween without a costume shock

hattymattie Sat 19-Oct-13 19:11:38

Crem grin. You need to snuggle up and watch Strictly. Astonishingly, we are all in this evening and have no late night pick ups to do so we are breaking open the beer and M&M's and having a family session in front of the TV (only DH and I with the beer I should add).

Stropperella Sat 19-Oct-13 21:38:21

We got a new tv a couple of weeks ago after dh and I agreed to pool all our Christmas and birthday present money and only give each other token gifts instead (i.e. I get nice chocs and bottle of fizz and he gets a bottle of Malt. Sorted.). It is all big and thin and swish and clever. And probably v. naff, although it takes up a lot less space than the old fat one we had before, which needed a digibox etc. So we had a family movie night tonight. With lasagne and wine (the latter only for some, obvs). And nobody argued for a whole 2 hours. Hooray!
I have never watched GBBO because I find watching people make food very dull. I mainly like eating food. I cannot even be bothered to switch on my swish tv to watch Sue Perkins gurning over a baked thing. Or someone traumatised by their soufflé failing to rise. I have clearly missed the entire point of GBBO. I am bemused by it.
Happy New Fridge, wilbur! grin

CointreauVersial Sat 19-Oct-13 23:19:08

I spent the day shopping mostly (well, the car was in for service so what was I to do with my time?). I found some marvellous things in Primarni: fleece-lined leggings for DD1, which are so yummy, thick and cosy I'm going to go back and buy myself some, and some black opaque tights with socks joined onto the bottom, so you don't get cold feet inside your boots. Just made for crepey winter warming.

motherinferior Sat 19-Oct-13 23:51:21

I need those leggings. Tried to track them down recently. How much?

CointreauVersial Sat 19-Oct-13 23:57:46

A bargaintastic £6.

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 20-Oct-13 00:21:14

I have fridge envy. Actually I have "reasonably normal looking house" envy. sadenvy

DH keeps saying "We need a plan." I have one. Paint walls, ceiling, woodwork, put up shelves, put crap on shelves, job done. Order DD2 a new bed. Get someone to take old bed away. This will vastly improve things, and then we can look at the bigger issues (kitchen, bathrooms) in slower time.

The cats are cuddling and washing each other. It's quite sweet. And I am listening to this

alto1 Sun 20-Oct-13 00:44:43

<zips on to thread, still fizzing>

Concert was brilliant

(scary in places, but still...)

Crem, hope you're feeling better

MrsS, when MI called on you, down from what was she on her way back? (grammar)

Blackduck Sun 20-Oct-13 10:29:54

I am getting my first ever dishwasher on Wednesday..... Curtesy of Bosch/John Lewis and a nice bit of cash back smile, then in a diversion from the bathroom - which is back on hold - we are having the dining room, living room and hall floors done.
GBBO has passed me by I am afraid. Final episode of Peaky Blinders here and a curry.

motherinferior Sun 20-Oct-13 10:42:02

Hurrah for Alto! Was back from Imperial War Museum. MrsS's flat is essentially v nice, it's just that it is covered in stuff. Mainly books.

Have just had row about housework with DP, DD1 has castigated me for not helping her with homework "like you promised", I have helped her with homework only to discover she doesn't know how to do long division shock and now DD2 is angry with me for making her do homework.

And DP has reminded me he is away from Thursday to Sunday. I said fine, fine, lovely idea to him when he first suggested it....

Blackduck Sun 20-Oct-13 10:52:14

MI I feel for you... I have had the week from hell this week with dp late every night, this week is not much better and then the week following half term he's off to Dallas .... This is only doable because my lovely childminder will come a sleep at mine every night so I can go to work.....

Books, what's wrong with books?!

bigTillyMint Sun 20-Oct-13 11:33:31

BD, you've got a great childminder there!

MrsS is right then - a lick of paint and shelves should solve it!

MI the long division problem is a direct result of the flupping chunking method beloved of the old NC. At least that may be axed in the new one.

Glad your concert was good Alto. And your shopping CV - I take it you didn't forget your pursesmile

motherinferior Sun 20-Oct-13 11:46:48

Yes, I think it's perfectly rectifiable and have left note in her planner for her maths teacher pointing out this division as am not entirely sure how to explain it to her myself.

DD2 has decided that as she is Bored she is going to cook lunch. This can only be a Good Thing.

And the only thing about the books was they are in piles on the floor rather like the ones by my bed rather than on the shelves that will immediately transform the flat grin

Cremolafoam Sun 20-Oct-13 11:53:30

Mrs S , you need to get mi back with the golden spray pain methinks.

Alto congratulations on the concert!
And yes I'm feeling better today - the downside is I can now see The Dirt.
House of Filthyshock I've been living in a
Dump . Time to galvanise dh and dd into action as I have a lovely colleague coming this afternoon for a possible trip to New York planning meeting next year.
Bd- I rather liked Peaky Blinders even with the dodgy accents. Cillian Murphy is tremendously watchable .
Those eyes. Those cheekbones.! Sigh

Cremolafoam Sun 20-Oct-13 12:01:46

*Spray paint obvs

motherinferior Sun 20-Oct-13 13:28:37

Also I am now possibly irrationally annoyed with DD1. I have to write a press release for the PTA. Said this would be no effort. She remarks I am "full of myself".

I ran the communications for a couple of major charities before becoming a journalist. I can knock off a couple of pars about the sodding quiz night in my sodding sleep. I have handled major crises (eg making up a press release at 4am the day Diana died, and the ensuing media frenzy for the following week), ffs. AIBU to point this out to her somewhat crisply?

I may be a 50 year old matron but that doesn't mean I am totally hopeless.

Blackduck Sun 20-Oct-13 13:46:37

MI I do sometimes think our children think we are stupid....

Cremo - I was watching it for the drama you know, never noticed Tommy's eyes - oh no ;)

BTM my childminder is a legend - she is currently in Cameroon at an orphanage no doubt building them a kitchen- she is a bloody star and we are lucky to have her!!!

motherinferior Sun 20-Oct-13 13:57:29

I just told DD1 some of my professional history. "But how was I supposed to know," she asked....

bigTillyMint Sun 20-Oct-13 14:51:28

You are BD!

Well my DD definitely thinks I'm a fool.
She is currently raging about the fact that she does not want a laptop for her Christmas present because (in her entitled mind) she should have been bought one a couple of years ago when she asked for one - instead she has had sole use of DH's work laptop and she got a bike that year (that she never wanted but has used to cycle to school)hmmangry

Blackduck Sun 20-Oct-13 15:14:27

Oh BTM - well don't buy her one then!!
I was having a similar convo with ds today about how lucky he is....

lalsy Sun 20-Oct-13 15:31:19

The work of all mothers is invisible, pointless, low skilled and undemanding though, didn't you know? smile

motherinferior Sun 20-Oct-13 16:43:27

It's because I don't go to work in an office. I am still really cross with her. Also DP is being a total pain in the @rse rearranging the house (perhaps I should send him round to the Schadenfreudehause) and flumping stuff about. Mostly books.

Blackduck Sun 20-Oct-13 17:59:22

I am angry at dp's brother who has just phoned to say his wife is having her 50th next Saturday - so clearly we are a last minute invitation - maybe someone cancelled? Dp's parents and sister are going - I am seething at the cheek of it. Either invite us properly with plenty of notice or don't bother at all ....

bigTillyMint Sun 20-Oct-13 18:36:02

That's a strange one, BD. Does DP get on with his SIL?

Cremolafoam Sun 20-Oct-13 18:50:22

Bd that sounds rude tbh.
Were you aware of the party prior to being invited.?

Blackduck Sun 20-Oct-13 19:44:18

No we knew nothing about it. We get on, but are not close, they are all in the south and we only see them at family gatherings. It's just clear that this was organised ages ago and it's only today we have been told.

wilbur Sun 20-Oct-13 20:35:19

Addle - glad concert was good, bet you were all brilliant.

BD - how crap about the 50th invite. Is there a chance they are just doing a last minute thing?

MrsS - believe me, fridge is pretty much a solitary oasis of form and function in this house. I've spent today trying to scrape plaster off quarry tiles (thought it had worked, but now they are dry they still look terrible angry) and sort out kids rooms. Found more disgustingness than I can bear to admit in there, and so many lost bits of toys, broken stuff etc that it's just beyond depressing. Oh, and loads of mouse droppings for added joy. Am going to have to get some of the mouse killer that CV (I think?) recommended - can you remind me what it was CV? Your plan for the flat sounds about right, we have procrastinated here, waiting for the refurb faries to arrive and I'm regretting not just slapping some paint in various depressing places, putting up shelves and pictures temporarily and at least being able to live without tripping over stuff every where we turn.

Going to stroke fridge now. Think I might love it more than I love my family.

motherinferior Sun 20-Oct-13 20:44:00

I must have a final push on my office. We moved a bookshelf in there to conceal the disastrous fireplace - and give it a bit more insulation; but I can see the cheap and nasty charity shop bookshelf with sagging shelves is going to be a fixture too. Must at least buy some replacement boards for shelves and a spot of Annie Sloan paint...

bigTillyMint Sun 20-Oct-13 20:54:05

Yes, yes, what was the mouse killer? Though no more signs since there was a dead un on the glue trapsmile

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 20-Oct-13 22:42:59

I reckon I could paint at least two rooms in a weekend. I could start with our bedroom and the sitting room, and then move onto DD2's. DD1 wants hers papered in cow print paper... I want to know how far we have got with these sodding shelves... have they actually been ordered or not?

MI - I have huge sympathies over long division and that ridiculous "chunking" method. DD1 was taught this and never understood LD. I taught her the traditional way, which she grasped, after a fashion, but was told very frostily by her teacher not to interfere as she had to learn and demonstrate her workings by the chunking method, not the old gimmers' method. Two years later, DD2 was taught using the old gimmers' method...

We got DD2's interim school report on Friday. She seems to be doing OK, maths teacher very pleased with her, has caught up with Spanish class (and got an A) despite them having a year on her. French not so good, but I think she is bored. DD1's marks give an average by computer - her straight As for science have been pulled down to a C- overall by two tests done when she had just come back from a week off school and had missed all the work leading up to the test. No leeway, and no chance to re-do the test. She is not happy.

CointreauVersial Sun 20-Oct-13 23:44:06

Sorexa D is what you want to kill the mousies. We haven't had them back since, although no doubt some more will move in for the winter.

DH and I popped out for an hour this afternoon, leaving the DCs home alone. When we got back, I noticed the dustpan and brush were out, but my questions were met with vague shrugs. Eventually, DD2 confessed that she and her sister had found the lure of the enormous sack of polystyrene beads I had just purchased for bean-bag re-stuffing was just too great; after rolling about on it for a while DD1 sat down heavily on it, blowing a hole in the bag (she's no lightweight) and unleashing a huge quantity of beads right across the living room floor. grin I can only picture the scene of panic, but to their credit they set to work, and the floor was practically spotless by the time we walked in.

Blackduck Mon 21-Oct-13 07:02:23

CV - grin at beads..
Wilbur - no I doubt this is last minute as would need booking in advance (not at home) - I am afraid I lost it last night (feeling a tad unloved and put upon and this was the straw...) dp really doesn't give a flying which doesn't help.

Here it is damp patches and hyposomething salts that have to be dealt with.....

motherinferior Mon 21-Oct-13 09:32:16

CV, that scenario could so easily have been replicated here. Including the tidying up grin

bigTillyMint Mon 21-Oct-13 09:34:54

Or here, though I doubt the tidying up would have been as good, if at all, particularly if it was DD that had made the hole!

Stropperella Mon 21-Oct-13 09:39:25

Yep, BTM, same here. In fact all the beads would just have been pushed under the sofa and the dog would have been blamed for the entire incident. grin

Stropperella Mon 21-Oct-13 09:51:08

I am sooooooooo sick of the ridiculous exams "system" we have at the moment. Dd has had tests and exams virtually every damn week since she has been in Yr 11. The week before last she had her geography mocks. WTF? Why mocks now? Apparently so the teachers could work out who to enter for Higher and who to enter for Foundation? Uh, given the year group is divided into 9 sets and has been tested at least once a month for the last year, you'd think they would know that by now. Today she has a full day of exams for triple science. These are apparently the real deal and cannot be retaken. hmm These are ISAs (independent skills assessments) and sound essentially like practicals to me. (Plan experiment, do experiment, write it up). Why now? And then there's a mega-pressure maths test tomorrow. There is no let-up this year and I honestly cannot see the point of all this. They spend more time doing tests than they actually spend learning anything. And as for shifting the bloody grade boundaries... Aaaargh. The students are already feeling as though however hard they work, their quals will be dubious. What is this whole experience teaching them, exactly?

Stropperella Mon 21-Oct-13 11:10:45

Bah, I have just discovered I also have rodent issues. Despite my best high-security efforts, the little feckers have broken into my shed and have eaten a hole in the chicken food bag. This must have happened overnight as there was no sign of them yesterday. Have sent the dog into the shed on a mission, but he is just rummaging in the jumble. I need to get all the stuff out and then send him in there, which I can't do in this weather. Plus I have a rather pressing deadline. In the meantime, the chicken food will have to live in the sitting-room...

CointreauVersial Mon 21-Oct-13 13:03:16

Strops - I can't put anything in our shed, as it is too full of holes to keep the wildlife out - last year the mice ate a bag of hyacinth bulbs and a box of grass-seed. The rabbit food only survived because it was in a plastic bin - maybe that's what you need.

Another day of non-productivity in the office - Friday's virus was apparently a strain "never seen before" by the virus protection provider, so they have been updating scanning software to deal with it. Meanwhile it has spread to our network, so I've been getting black looks all morning from the MD. I am moonlighting from a desk across the office, where the PC doesn't do very much, so progress has been painful (MN still works, though wink).

bigTillyMint Mon 21-Oct-13 13:21:38

Stropps, that's another good reason to not get a dog - DD and DS have joined forces in the plea for a dog for Christmas! We won't be getting one, but I am finding myself looking a little enviously at other peoples dogsshock

Yes the whole exams scenario is awful. I really feel for the current Y11's (and am pretty concerned about the Y10's as is DD) - it is their futureangry

Lucky that, CVwink!

motherinferior Mon 21-Oct-13 13:26:29

CV I once caused great hilarity at a memorial service where I bumped into my ex and accused him of giving me (ie my computer) a particular virus that was Going About.

The dear departed would have found it particularly funny, I should add grin

Stropperella Mon 21-Oct-13 13:39:13

Oh CV, I am going one better than that. I shall collect a rodent-proof galvanised storage bin tomorrow. That will show the whiskery little blighters! Plus, I shall still be allowing the small brown exterminator free access to all corners of the shed. I see they have been at my grass seed as well. I am rather fond of rodents but they need to to know their place. grin

Stropperella Mon 21-Oct-13 13:41:30

BTM, just keep telling your dcs about how much vile poo they would have to pick up in nasty little bags and carry around with them until they find a bin. And how much fun it absolutely isn't getting up in the dark to walk the dog before school.

motherinferior Mon 21-Oct-13 13:43:06

The Inferiorettes want a dog. No way.

bigTillyMint Mon 21-Oct-13 13:53:06

Stropps, there is absolutely NO danger that either of mine would get up in time to walk a dog before schoolgrin

herbaceous Mon 21-Oct-13 14:42:08

Grrr. So the annual Christmas guilt-fest has started. I have an odd brother, who lives alone in a bedsit. He is not the best company, and each year there's a 'who's going to have DBro for xmas' debate.

DSis has a massive house, recently extended to be even more massive, and a few months ago she said she'd have everyone for Christmas. This seems to be no longer the case. She 'had' bro last year.

DMum finds bro very hard work, and is 80, and frankly I don't think can be arsed with it all any more. She even said in her email 'it would be easier if we didn't have him, but I suppose we must take our turn'.

Strictly speaking, I suppose it's our turn. But if we had him, there'd be a lot of stilted sitting about, and instead of it being a dear little threesome family Christmas would be just odd. We also have no spare room, and only one bathroom, with the loo in, which as factor for me in the mornings!

It's less odd with sis's family, as she has three kids so there's a critical mass of noise and stuff going on.

I now feel all churned up. So odd how one day brings up all sorts of feelings from the past, and causes such angst. It's one day. Yet filled with such significance. I can see why people just go away for the duration - but I'd feel too guilty.

Blackduck Mon 21-Oct-13 15:15:51

Oh Herbs that sounds tough. I love and hate Christmas in equal measure. It was so much easier when dp and I were sans ds. I'd go home and he'd go home - we'd each do the family Christmas. It was fine. Now it's a bloody minefield. And add in various health scares over the years it has got progressively worse.....

At least I clearly won't get an invite to SiLs ;)

bigTillyMint Mon 21-Oct-13 15:27:35

Oh Herbs, that's tricky. I guess he wouldn't prefer to spend Christmas in his bedsit?wink Could you invite others over/go to the pub, etc to make it less "odd"?

hattymattie Mon 21-Oct-13 16:42:26

Herbs - difficult one - maybe just break out the alcohol in big measures and know that it's not your turn next year. We just stay at home (in France) for Christmas so we're well out of it. We went to friends last year but DD1 (then 16) was put on the children's table and was seething so this year we're staying chez nous.

On the dog front - I want a Jack Russell top rat catcher!

Mrs S - did your children learn to do long division and subtraction the French or the British way - I have never yet fathomed out French division.

Cremolafoam Mon 21-Oct-13 17:33:10

Herbs we have the same bull every year with our complicated extended family . Some of us are jewish obviously ( and not exactly on board with the whole thinggrin) and dd has extended family in England . My dsis family is also involved in the rotation. And they are mad keen good living types who take the whole 'who's turn is it ?' thing deadly seriously . No- one speaks to dh's dad. ( incidental but awkward )
Dh's sisters partner has two children in England that live with their mum( lots of to and fro there) .
This year for added hilarity my mum will have just had a new hip: dsis is having a day procedure on Xmas eve so she has time to recover before returning to work. I'm not exactly in any position to host anyone ( although I'd hope to be a good bit better by Xmas)
No invitations whatsoever have been forthcoming. shock

It would be nice just to peel off the lids of a few m&s goodies and light the fire wouldn't it? Bah humbug.

bigTillyMint Mon 21-Oct-13 17:42:25

Cremo, good luck to your DSIS in hosp - a colleagues dad was lined up for similar, but it was cancelled and someone at the hosp said it was never likely to have happened, it being Christmas Eveangry

And what's stopping you doing just that, Cremo? Or your baking DH doing some fancy baked goods for lunch? You should be taking it easy!

CointreauVersial Mon 21-Oct-13 17:43:28

I have an "odd" DBro as wll, but he stated categorically a few years back that he has no intention of ever going anywhere for Christmas, thank you very much, and he is quite happy in his own little home. Which makes it easier. The sad thing is, while he is generally a moody bugger, he can be brilliant company, chatty and funny. Alas, those occasions are as rare as rocking horse poo.

CointreauVersial Mon 21-Oct-13 17:47:32

Anyway, odd DBro notwithstanding, we are hosting this year, and it's dinner, B&B for 13 (unlucky for some). My task for this evening is to purchase a double airbed and commence my research for the perfect Christmas table decoration.

bigTillyMint Mon 21-Oct-13 17:49:10

So glad it's just us for Christmas dinner!

Cremolafoam Mon 21-Oct-13 17:57:19

Pressure BTM . Everyone wants a piece of dd. Her 3 sets of grandparents have a bunfight every year over her presence.
Dd would quite happily slink into a chocolate induced coma in front of dr who in her onesie . I am refusing to umpire the thing this year as I am incapacitated n'est-ce pas?

walks zombie-like towards 'dine in for £20 offers'

motherinferior Mon 21-Oct-13 18:11:46

We have managed the rather fabulous trick of having child-free friends who enjoy cooking Christmas dinner. (They should have had masses of kids, and sadly didn't - they would have been so good at it. OTOH they are great with my two, having stepped into a family-style role with them.) So we saunter over the park, eat and in my case drink ourselves into a coma, and return home...

motherinferior Mon 21-Oct-13 18:35:03

In other news, I got three commissions today. All of which are 'can you do this NOW' but frankly, I'll do anything at the moment!

hattymattie Mon 21-Oct-13 19:04:06

I used to have a guy in my office who used to go on Holiday somewhere exotic every Christmas and come back when it was all over. I think if I didn't have kids I'd go for this option.

Well done on commissions MI.

Stropperella Mon 21-Oct-13 19:09:53

Well done, MI.
We are currently under pressure thanks to dh taking on a rather massive job last Friday for next Monday. Trouble was, he forgot (as per usual) about some commitments we have from Saturday to Tuesday. So I'll have to do a goodly chunk as we have to deliver the job this Friday. Friday is also an INSET day. Bum.

Christmas? I'm not thinking about it. The only way in which I will allow myself to think about it very slightly is to make a pact with myself that this will be the first year that I will endeavour not to get my knickers in a twist. There will be no upset about my lack of culinary talent or relative lack of funds, or what Cousin A said to Cousin B or any of that stuff. No. I shall smile sweetly, sprinkle (edible) glitter over everything and anyone who doesn't like it can just get stuffed. grin Please someone remind me of this in about 6 weeks.

The person from whom I bought my chickens told me a story about a customer who was due to come to buy some chickens just after me. The chicken lady sold this person chickens last year and the chicken-buyer and her family fell in lurrrve with their pet chickens and all was happy for many months. They even sent out family Christmas cards with a picture of their chickens all in Christmas hats. Awwww. On Christmas Day, this person invited round her in-laws for a trad lunch. They brought their dog. Just as the turkey was about to be served, the in-laws' dog appeared in the house all covered in blood and feathers. A dreadful discovery then was made - the dog had been down the garden and massacred all the chickens. Cue all the children crying and terrible recriminations flying and possibly one of the worst Christmas lunches ever.

bigTillyMint Mon 21-Oct-13 19:13:16

Well done MI. Not so well done MrStropps. But at least it's more moneywink
Oh dear on chicken tale. I thought it was going to end up with multi-roast chickensblush

beachyhead Mon 21-Oct-13 19:53:43

Last Christmas it was just us and it was the best ever . We had a fondue smile. This year they are all coming to us so 14 at the table... Might invite my friend and her kids too as she has just had a horrid divorce. More the merrier I guess!

I do get lots of help from dsis and dsil though, so it's not too bad...

We are planning a pre Christmas Christmas for just us two weeks before where we will put up the tree, wear indies and eat what we actually want to eat ! One family I know sent their kids round the supermarket with twenty pounds and that was what everyone had on Christmas Day! The mind boggles grin

beachyhead Mon 21-Oct-13 19:54:43

Onesies, not indies.... Seeing as this is style and beauty!

Cremolafoam Mon 21-Oct-13 20:26:24

Blimey Beachy if we did the £20 thing with dd we'd get:
Tin of hot chocolate
5 bags of veggie Percy pigs
6 bags of bagels and a tub of value cream cheese.
( although possibly this year a 4 pack if Koppaberg pear nonsense too)grin

Mi- marvellous news on the work front. !!
Stropps- poor chooks; that's grim.
Good luck with the pile of work this week too.

motherinferior Mon 21-Oct-13 20:48:03

DP is going to Austria to do t'ai chi (yes, you did read that right confused) this weekend. The Inferioriettes and I are planning to watch Pitch Perfect and eat Snacks.

wilbur Mon 21-Oct-13 22:30:44

I meant to go to bed an hour ago but have got sucked into one of my fave teen movies, 10 Things I Hate About You. Am now feeling a bit weepy and wishing I were a teenager again with swishy hair and the chance of a snog with Heath Ledger or anyone who isn't dh tbh.

bigTillyMint Tue 22-Oct-13 08:28:50

MI, at least that's only once in a while - DH spends all of every weekend on DS's footy/watching his clubs!

Wilburgrin I think we have that one somewhere!

DS (without being asked) spent an hour and a half studying conscientiously last night for a science test. This morning he was studying his notes at the tableshockshockshock
However, he returned 5mins after he had left as he had forgotten his PE kit.
I have just spotted his revision notes on the sofagrin

motherinferior Tue 22-Oct-13 08:57:19

I love that fillum. I also love Never Been Kissed, which I watched happily the other night with a glass of prosecco.grin

motherinferior Tue 22-Oct-13 11:26:47

Hurrah, just got charity mag gig that will help keep wolf from door grin

Stropperella Tue 22-Oct-13 11:45:15


motherinferior Tue 22-Oct-13 11:58:28

Plus extra for commissioning grin

Thank f*ck I have sorted some childcare for next week apart from just shipping off DD1 to the Schadenfreudehause. Great relief to be able to say "yes, I can do a meeting on X date"...

wilbur Tue 22-Oct-13 12:24:50

Glad to hear good work news, MI. Know how it feels to be able to say "Yes, I can do that". I get invited to theatre stuff every week which I long to go to and would really help my work (just got an invite to an opening night of a show I REALLY want to see but can't sad) but have to decline due to not being able to get kids back from school and then find sitter who can come at 6.30 and then back out the door in time for curtain up. Have used up all favours for after school help with dcs, so I need to do some serious sleepover/playdate offerings so I can build those up again. However, they are going to MIL's on Friday, so I am going to play reading on Fri night, and a thing at the London Festival of Cabaret on Monday smile.

bigTillyMint Tue 22-Oct-13 16:59:27


Talking of 80's films and theatre, we are going to see Dirty Dancing for our Christmas jollysmile

CointreauVersial Tue 22-Oct-13 17:05:04

"Nobody puts Baby in the corner!" BTM, you'll have "The Time of Your Life" wink

Anyway, crepeys, remember a few weeks back when I plucked up the courage to ask for a pay-rise?

8% ! grin grin


bigTillyMint Tue 22-Oct-13 17:13:41

flowersfor you too, CV!

hattymattie Tue 22-Oct-13 17:39:25

Wow - congrat's CV. Just before Christmas too.

I made DD's Watch Dirty Dancing as part of their general culture and they loved it. I still snigger at the above quoted line.

QueenQueenie Tue 22-Oct-13 17:40:29

Well done MI! Good work!
BTM, will you take a watermelon as a prop?
Way to go CV!

Feel dullard by contrast with all these triumphs. Feel like I'm plodding through this week, with all the usual stuff to do plus two teenagers on half term whom I have to organise / boss / manage by remote control... with a mobile phone and a firm tone of voice my only weapons. Fecking hard work. Dh gives this not a second thought... Am both enraged and slightly envious of his attitude.

bigTillyMint Tue 22-Oct-13 17:46:37

I feel I'd better get the DC to watch the film before we go...

Yes, QQ, I feel your pain - DH does not give the DC a second thought whilst he is at work.

motherinferior Tue 22-Oct-13 18:38:54

We are supposed to be sharing half term admin.

Yeah right.

herbaceous Tue 22-Oct-13 19:22:41

Well played MI and CV for various professional triumphs. All most admirable, especially at Our Age.

I'm trying to update my CV. Hampered by the fact that I can't really remember what I did during my last job, and certainly can't make it sound impressive. It was, though. I was editing a consumer magazine. Why can't I make that sound good?

motherinferior Tue 22-Oct-13 19:56:34

Sounds damn good to me, Herbs.

BTW I asked for extra money on this gig 'to cover commissioning costs' are you up for a badly paid feature? and got it.

Cremolafoam Tue 22-Oct-13 21:45:56

Congrats cv and mi. Brilliant things yougrin
QQ half term is like slavery. Dd has a whole agenda organised which involves a lift every single night next week . shockPoor dh is having to do it all as I still can't drive. He's simmering in the corner having to be ordered about by me as well as dds hectic social calendar.
If I was up and about he wouldn't know the first thing about any of dds plans. So he's getting a right dose of reality ATM .

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 22-Oct-13 22:04:02

I took the DDs to see Dirty Dancing on Sunday. It was very good, but the actress who played Baby was very actressy. And the whole thing was lost on DD2 who, despite having seen the film, got very confused. And wasn't really paying attention anyway. I am taking DD1 and a friend to see The Ladykillers tomorrow night. You can have too much of musicals...

And yay re pay rise, CV!

Spookerella Tue 22-Oct-13 22:05:27

CV, congratulations. And enjoy spending it grin

rubyrubyruby Tue 22-Oct-13 23:18:44

Well Done CV and MI smile

I can't wait until Thursday when I have a week off! I'm exhausted but have various house projects lined up including some for the DCs.

I've managed to organise my 4 days away working so am grabbing the opportunity. It's a bumper career week gir the crepeys grin

DH is in the States - my trip is less glamorous.

Had my hair down today so glad to hear it's pissing down outside.

CointreauVersial Tue 22-Oct-13 23:20:39

Cool Halloween NN, Strops!

It wasn't all good on the professional front today. The computer virus that I somehow picked up spent the day slowly spreading through the whole network, and corrupted all our files. Lots of harassed phone conversations between directors and IT bods, and it looks like they will have to restore everything from Thursday's back-ups. I was quite glad to leave at 3pm. blush

alto1 Wed 23-Oct-13 00:28:05

Well done for work triumphs, MI and CV. I'm going the other way, having seriously shot myself in foot by accepting this secondment <deletes boring rant>.

Am also in a rage with DM, who was horribly rude and inconsiderate this morning, then pretended to apologise only so that she could have another go. I can't relax in my own house - had to go out to get away from her. No good harbouring eviction fantasies either - got to grow a thicker skin sad.

Dd in good form and we took her and a friend to Spamalot, which cheered me up a bit grin

bigTillyMint Wed 23-Oct-13 06:46:31

Well done on organising your 4-dayer, rubysmile

3 more days.....!

Blackduck Wed 23-Oct-13 08:58:53

Wow CV congrats (next round is on you ;) ) and MI on the work....

I haven't heard anything here about a. job outside the org, b. job inside the org. A colleague has also suggested I make a play for my boss's job - hmm.... will give it some thought.
Half term - my folks, the in-laws, back home. That's done. It's the week after I am dreading when dp buggers off to the States leaving me with dog, child, school and work...... hmm....

motherinferior Wed 23-Oct-13 09:10:31

Crepeys, it is my ex-boyfriend's birthday...

...the problem is, I can't remember which ex-boyfriend. The one whose heart I broke, who will be 50 today, or the one who broke my heart and will be slightly ahem older? I feel if it is Chap Number 1 I should send at least an email (he is v happy with current partner)....

alto1 Wed 23-Oct-13 09:47:14

Why not send an e-mail that covers the possibilities?

'If it is your birthday, many happy returns, if I'm confusing you with one of my other exes, not to worry, it happens all the time'.

(Got out of bed on wrong side)

motherinferior Wed 23-Oct-13 09:53:15

I might just leave it grin - hell, thinking about it, neither of them sent me a birthday card, dammit.

Spookerella Wed 23-Oct-13 10:03:37

alto grin - that really did make me LOL. I am mighty glad that I do not have a clue where any of my exes are. grin (Well, aside from the significant one that is 6 foot under, obvs)

Sorry to hear that your work and domestic travails continue, alto. Is there no light visible at the end of the tunnel on the work front, i.e. an escape from the secondment?

CV, just as well you applied for that pay rise before the virus incident. grin

bigTillyMint Wed 23-Oct-13 10:23:11

My significant ex turned 50 3 years ago - we are not in contact but as my Goddaughters birthday is the same day as his, I usually remember him. With relief!

addle Wed 23-Oct-13 11:54:54

Am a bit low having just had prospect of at least 3 months' solid work snatched away at last minute with some vague talk of needing to 'reconsider the brand' ... would have been nice to have that stability but hey-ho ...

and the son of my sig. ex. is at univ. with my daughter so shall keep a beady eye out for goings-on

motherinferior Wed 23-Oct-13 12:11:31

Oh, addle, that is totally pants. Been there. And frankly am not holding my breath with this gig as have seen too many things go tits-up on me in the past decade...

addle Wed 23-Oct-13 12:22:36

Thanks MI. Makes you v aware of hum of anxiety in background of freelance life (for me anyway). fingers crossed for yours

bigTillyMint Wed 23-Oct-13 12:32:42

Oh no, addlesad
And shock that the uni connection - how weird would that be?! I take it your DD is settled in OK then? We were watching Freshers the other night - DS was horrified when one of the new students said something about drinking for 40 days solid and asked me if i did that. I managed to keep a straight facesmile
See you later?

motherinferior Wed 23-Oct-13 13:21:44

My background hum is more a suppressed scream, tbh.

I cannot in truth remember a day of my university years and several after that in which I did not drink and not many when I didn't have a large spliff too. I did manage to do a fair amount of work too, along with a lot of Objecting To Things.

Spookerella Wed 23-Oct-13 14:23:46

Whereas my screams aren't even suppressed. We start every month no knowing if we'll even break even by the end of the month. All our stuff is short-term and completely unpredictable. My back-up business plan is for ds to man a stall outside the house selling eggs and composting worms. My mother looked in one of my army of compost daleks the other day, saw an extravagance of worms and remarked "Oh people pay good money for those, you know". grin

I have taken an hour out from our current deadline-chasing activity (I'll make it up this evening) to have a radical haircut. I have finally admitted total defeat on the hair front and had it cut very short. A bob has never suited me, so why I had one I don't know. Also, I have accepted the fact of my crepey life, which is that my hair has now got a very short growing cycle and is never even going to make it to shoulder length again.
Dh is either feeling unnaturally tactful today or he really does think it looks ok. My neck is a tad chilly, though. grin

Spookerella Wed 23-Oct-13 14:25:23

ps: I really, genuinely no longer look as though I've touched a live wire. Surely this has to be a good thing?

alto1 Wed 23-Oct-13 14:26:27

Bet it looks good, spooks

motherinferior Wed 23-Oct-13 14:33:17

I am a big fan of really short hair grin

I feel as if this week has gone on forever, and I have to do quite a lot in the next few days too.

addle Wed 23-Oct-13 14:39:31

hi btm - yes! see you later, not sure what to expect and not bringing ds but i'll be there

spooks - think bob just becomes default cut for crepeys so good radical short cut is great idea and v elegant

and god yes this week is going on for ever x

bigTillyMint Wed 23-Oct-13 15:02:05

Addle, DD doesn't want to come - says it will be boring and that she has homework to do!

Stropps, we need a photo!

motherinferior Wed 23-Oct-13 15:11:08

Neighbour opposite has gone into his garden. He is, at least, wearing clothes today unlike yesterday. I was quite diverted for a while. I don’t get out much. He can’t be very bright, really, can he – this is a quite crowded area. But has quite a nice bottom.

bigTillyMint Wed 23-Oct-13 16:27:28

MIgrin His front garden?grin

motherinferior Wed 23-Oct-13 16:51:52

Back garden, which backs onto my next-door-neighbour's garden. There are a LOT of second/third floor windows out of which someone can glance casually when looking up from the keys.

motherinferior Wed 23-Oct-13 16:53:15

I just got another badly paid commission. At this rate I shall be working flat out over half term (have various meetings too) BUT November will be quite lucrative...

Spookerella Wed 23-Oct-13 17:21:14

Did your pitches pay off, MI? And is your neighbour an exhibitionist or just a bit absent-minded?
Once when I was very, very tired after bfing a ridiculously hungry baby all night, I went downstairs early on a Saturday morning in nothing more than a rather short t-shirt. I sat slumped in a stupor at the dining room table with - as I only later realised - the t-shirt stuck round my waist. I was sitting with my back facing the kitchen window. It was only after the postman knocked on the front door that I realised a) that my bum was on display to the world and b) he had clearly had a good look in the window before knocking on the door. That postman has been smirking at me on a regular basis for the last 8 years.

motherinferior Wed 23-Oct-13 17:28:07

And another one.

Only one of these has been a direct 'yes we want that feature' acceptance; the other three have been because of my determined keeping self on commissioning eds' radar. The quarterly gig is because a lovely friend (whose way I have passed various jobs in my time, and who commissioned one of these features as she's editing a new baby mag) spotted a little ad on a freelancers' website and sent it to me.

I think neighbour is a bit vague/thick. Really, if you wander out of your back door naked in the middle of London, the likelihood is that someone will see you. Having said which, I frequently come downstairs without many clothes on, and passers-by can spot me through our front door glass. I tend to assume nobody will be bothered. Clearly, I too am a bit vague/thick...

Cremolafoam Wed 23-Oct-13 18:27:42

Wow mi kerchiiing!grin

Blackduck Wed 23-Oct-13 18:47:26

Oh yes Stropps - photo!!

New dishwasher arrived - unwrapped -2 big dents - 20% off mate or take it back? Dp opted for take it back - I'd have haggled for 40% ....

bigTillyMint Wed 23-Oct-13 20:36:27

Yes, BD, agree!

hattymattie Wed 23-Oct-13 21:05:55

BD as long as the dents aren't on the bits you see go for the discount. DH got a wine fridge like this - dents are round the side against the wall so a bargain.

(I should add - he's French - wine fridge essential)

Blackduck Wed 23-Oct-13 21:36:21

They were on the front.. Decision made.. He is a tad tired so wasn't thinking straight! DIshwasher would have been in utility - no-one would have seen it....

originalpiratematerial Wed 23-Oct-13 23:16:53

Great news about the work pouring in, mi. Not so good that you actually have to do it, I guess. Bit like how I feel atm - my new personal BD plan has been approved but now I actually have to, er, carry it out. shock

originalpiratematerial Wed 23-Oct-13 23:18:40

In other news, I bought a fab wool wrap/shawl/stole thingy - totally random purchase, was walking back to work via trendy Whitecross St at lunchtime and there it was, hanging on a market stall. It cost £20. I opened my wallet and there was - a £20 note (and absolutely nothing else). Serendipity, I call it. Or perhaps being fleeced hmm.

Anyway, I like it.

motherinferior Thu 24-Oct-13 09:24:53

I would like a wine fridge.

DP has just bogged off to Austria. Am slightly gritting teeth at prospect of the weekend alone, as he usually takes main charge (of meals and taking DD2 to dance) at weekend in recompense for my being at the helm in the week. He points out the tactic is to chill and rely on as much Bought Food as possible. He may be right. Must do Ocado.

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 24-Oct-13 09:30:03

The stole/wrap/thingy was clearly beshert, OPM. The best sort of purchase. It called to you and cooed, and hey presto!

DD1 has a friend staying - I am going to have to wake them up, aren't I? Otherwise they're not going to be up before midday.

Does anyone have any ideas of what to buy the DDs to go in their Christmas stockings? I have books, sweets, pants, socks, some cheapo jewellery, possibly some Sharpies if I can get them cheap. Would quite like to get a game each (we have lost our Monopoly, so that might be an idea). Some hideous cat print leggings for DD2...

lalsy Thu 24-Oct-13 09:42:31

False moustaches from Tiger (there are not many of them) have gone down very well in stockings with us. We love Settlers of Catan.

Hurrah for work pouring in, MI.

In S and not very B news, we did a lovely little cycling jaunt a few days ago, mostly in sun, last leg to Whitstable in pouring rain, was just settling down beside wood-fired stove and choosing between crab and mussels when my dh peered at me and commented on a lone hair on my chin that had had a growth spurt in the sea air. ds was highly amused, I less so.

hattymattie Thu 24-Oct-13 09:45:37

MI - this is a French wine fridge - you're not actually allowed to drink the wine - oh no - at least not until it has matured for a number of years.
(I need a grumpy emoticon).

Spookerella Thu 24-Oct-13 09:54:47

I woke up this morning and thought "WTF, where has my hair gone?" grin

Dd came home last night grinning like a Cheshire cat after getting back the results of a Very Important Maths Test. She got 96% and beat lots of people in Set 1. (She got put down to Set 2 at the end of last year after cocking up several tests due to anxiety) She was absolutely terrified about this test. Her teacher this term appears to be much more on dd's wavelength and a bit more nurturing, so I'm really glad that dd was put down to Set 2. I'm so hoping that this wasn't a flash in the pan, because it really has perked her up. Mind you, I think she is also perked up by a non-uniform day today and an INSET day tomorrow, followed by half-term.

I appear to have accidentally promised to bring dd to London with me the day that I'm going to my school reunion. Not quite sure how I'm going to deal with this now, as obviously I'll be busy and I know she just won't go off on her own to explore. Not sure any of her friends' parents would let me take one of her friends and just let them go off round London together as these are kids who only get on a train once in a blue moon and can walk from one side of their town to the other in 20 mins...

motherinferior Thu 24-Oct-13 09:55:07

Gilittery nail varnish always used to go down well here, till the Inferiorettes suddenly went off it. Those multi-packs of things like bubble bath, split between them, are also a good idea.

Spookerella Thu 24-Oct-13 10:04:53

Dd liked the Muji touchscreen gloves I gave her last year.

addle Thu 24-Oct-13 10:19:00

touchscreen gloves brilliant idea, had never heard of them. i've also got some welly socks from tk maxx

btm - that session last night reminded me of the end of each episode of Soap [shows my age] 'Confused? you will be ...'

Cremolafoam Thu 24-Oct-13 10:46:35

Can't do links on my phone mrs s but there is an entire thread on stocking fillers that I have been moonlighting on. Search plastic tat maybe? It's in Christmas threads anyway. Masses of ideas on there for all ages.

Pirate - as mrs s says it was meant to be with your wrap . Lots of smug swooshing when you wear it! grin

Mn seems to have gone a bit loopy last night with the AF debacle.

Stropps takes a bit of getting used to with the short hair, but omg how quick is it to wash and dry!? Bet you look gorgeous .smile

motherinferior Thu 24-Oct-13 11:20:16

In slightly less S news, I just ordered a new swimsuit as mine was actually ragged.

Am finding it hard to focus. Flinging myself at a plethora of features (Get your body back after the baby! Five ways to tackle stress! Twelve ways your kitchen and supermarket are making you fat! Six things you need to know about water!) plus the new gig are doing my head in.

I have actually done the first two features and the third one is kicked into touch.

Although I did, to the hilarity of many of you, cite research that phoning your mum will bring your stress levels down. I did put in a Witty Disclaimer...blush

Spookerella Thu 24-Oct-13 11:42:50


hattymattie Thu 24-Oct-13 11:50:10

What's the AF debacle? (Out of the loop)(as usual).

motherinferior Thu 24-Oct-13 12:51:05

The poster AnyFucker has apparently been banned.

CointreauVersial Thu 24-Oct-13 13:07:06

Oh, the AF debacle! I couldn't bring myself to post last night; it was everywhere.

MrsS, re DD stocking fillers - just do a trolley dash in Primark. Fluffy socks, cheap jewellery, PJs...... I find DS much more tricky.

grin at Strops missing her hair! Was it all just a dreeeammmm??

herbaceous Thu 24-Oct-13 13:15:16

I was following the thread that I think caused the demise of AF, and it's shocking that she should be banned because she bit back at some Goady Fucker (as I believe trolls are now called). AF always seemed a fount of sound and pithy advice.

Off to DS's parent consultation soon. If the teacher doesn't say he's the most talented and charming boy she's ever taught and fulfills all her aspirations for being a teacher, I'm asking for my money back. Oh... hang on.

Stocking fillers will hopefully be easy for DS, but I may find DP harder to please. Unless I fill the stockings with my legs. <barf>

Re hair, I'm sure Stropps/Spooks looks mighty fine with her short hair. And I must say my jowl-length bob is growing on me. Not my first bob by any means, but this is particularly blunt, so has a mildly groovy bent.

bigTillyMint Thu 24-Oct-13 13:23:27

addle, DH LOVES the HoY - thought he was exceptionally entertainingsmile We are also very pleased with DD's new form tutor and especially so as DD seems to like her too! Aside from that, we didn't really find out much that wasn't on the sheets, but Hey Ho! It must be difficult for them to pitch it right for such a wide range of ability.

New onesise from Primarni going in the stockings of my two - they should fill them up nicely!

MI, do NOT put that in as a way to reduce stressshock

bigTillyMint Thu 24-Oct-13 13:24:31

Come on guys, we need pictures!

hattymattie Thu 24-Oct-13 13:28:49

See I miss everything by just lurking on Style and Beauty, Higher Education and Living Overseas. In my own little bubble I am. wink

PS: I'd like to see Stropp's hair as well.

herbaceous Thu 24-Oct-13 13:32:05

Here's a mad photobooth shot, featuring specs.

bigTillyMint Thu 24-Oct-13 13:44:05

Herbs, is that really you? You look totally different with specs on! Hair looks goodsmile

motherinferior Thu 24-Oct-13 13:47:19

That is good, Herbs.

I did have to resist posting on a thread about what older boys want in stockings...

Blackduck Thu 24-Oct-13 13:53:20

Wow Herbs smile

AF - what happened? What did she do? I like AF!

Cremolafoam Thu 24-Oct-13 14:27:29

Herbs that rocks!
I'm gonna ask for that next time.
Really felt that the hairdresser was having a laugh last time. She scissored out all the weight so it now flicks out in the manner of Farrah Fawcet. I look permanently like I've got a finger in a socket.

hattymattie Thu 24-Oct-13 15:01:57

Herbs - that looks nice. Crem - nothing wrong with Farrah Fawcett flicks - they are probably due to come back in fashion.

bigTillyMint Thu 24-Oct-13 15:21:25

They ARE in fashion with my DDgrin

bigTillyMint Thu 24-Oct-13 15:23:10

addle, meant to say, DD asked who you were and how I knew you - I said "Oh I know lots of people!" I later bumped into someone else I know and she sighed to her friend, "she seems to know everyone here"grin

motherinferior Thu 24-Oct-13 15:27:16

When DD2 and I went to DD1's Y7 performance and I said hello to lots of fellow-parents it was DD2's worst nightmare grin, made even worse when they said hello to me back...and then said hello to her grin. DD2 shrank in her seat (and that's pretty hard for someone as small as DD2) trying hard to pretend she was nothing to do with me. Poor love had hoped so hard for a spot of blessed anonymity that evening...

herbaceous Thu 24-Oct-13 15:38:16

Hair unstyled, needing washing and some kind of fluff-dampening, so usually looks better than that.

Glasses necessary for computer, but make me look a bit boggle-eyed...

addle Thu 24-Oct-13 16:02:49

it's torture for dcs isn't it, when adults all seem to know each other. my dd was convinced we also talked about them all the time...

btm i think your response to last night is extremely lovely and positive (as was your coat). i turn into a restless and deranged teenager, desperate to leave or start shouting, the minute i'm in that enclosed space. i did think HoY had lots of charisma but they all talk for so long...

motherinferior Thu 24-Oct-13 16:06:50

DP and I are the worst combo, addle, especially at secondary school heads' presentations. We sat through a number when doing the round of schools for DD1. DP's job involves people pitching to him for money quite a lot of the time, and he goes into ruthless work mode, judging everything from the power point presentation to the time the speaker arrives (ahem, the head of your kids' school grin). I turn into smartarse sixthformer from hell, lounging on my chair picking up the typos and passing comment not too quietly under my breath.

I suspect quite a lot of the schools in the Lewisham area were slightly relieved when we took our PFB elsewhere. The game was really not worth the candle.

herbaceous Thu 24-Oct-13 16:21:54

Parents consultation boast. DS has achieved all the top targets for the term, already. He's top of the year above for reading. He has lots of friends, both boys and girls. And he apparently wants to be a waiter when he grows up.

motherinferior Thu 24-Oct-13 16:26:51


Cremolafoam Thu 24-Oct-13 16:34:22

Bless him herbs grin

bigTillyMint Thu 24-Oct-13 17:00:58

MI, we know nothing will ever start on time - last night we capitalised and went round all the tables before the waffle speeches which were scheduled to kick off the evening! I was still bushed by the time we got home and I hadn't done anything!

herbs, maybe you can get him to practice at home (with your DP cooking, of course!)

alto1 Thu 24-Oct-13 18:09:12

DD seems to have got herself a job grin in a chocolate shop grin grin

She's such a good customer, they probably think of her as one of the family.

I had to go in to work during my leave to placate a frothing judge angry but at least it got me away from my DM. Give me a frothing judge over a self-righteous martyr any day...

herbaceous Thu 24-Oct-13 19:02:32

Good show, mini-alto! Let's hope she doesn't eat her wages.

I have a wardrobe crisis looming. DP's new boss (he starts in a couple of weeks) has already asked us to her annual Christmas party. It's 'at home', which is in a £2million+ house in Highgate Village (I googled the address). Her husband is a fund manager.

I'm not sure my usual Sainsbury's staples are going to cut it.

lalsy Thu 24-Oct-13 19:02:47

A friend and I once managed to suggest to the head at a dreary school meeting that the year 11s would all be getting drunk at their end of exams hideous prom thing, and that he really wanted to be wearing a posh dress. We then broke a glass of red wine which went everywhere. The shame.

rubyrubyruby Thu 24-Oct-13 19:15:59

Brilliant Herbs! The crepeys haven't had a proper S&B challenge since MIs birthday bash frock. I'm going nowhere that requires anything remotely stylish. Well done to your DS too!

I'm home alone so catching up with thread and laughing about hairy chins, less hairy heads and how to embarrass your DCs grin
My current pastime is perfecting lighting my log burner which fortunately requires me to sit on my new sofa watching it wink

I should be studying

rubyrubyruby Thu 24-Oct-13 19:16:46

Bugger - I think it's gone out again

rubyrubyruby Thu 24-Oct-13 19:29:43

I may start a thread on log burners <<sigh>>

Where's the AF thread - has it gone?

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 24-Oct-13 21:19:05

Oooh, Lalsy - thank you for the Tiger recommendation! Was pootling down Tottenham Court Road this afternoon with DD1 and spotted one. Excellent for stocking fillers and general Christmas crap. I got three little fibre optic (is that right?) Christmas trees for a pound each, that change colour. They have pride of place on the mantlepiece at the moment, much to DH's disgust. grin

I cannot be arsed to cook tonight. I cannot cook anything to DH's exacting demands (from his silly diet), so told him to cook his own fucking dinner. He rejected kheema and rice, on the grounds that peas were not vegetables (no, they are animals, I wanted to say) and pasta with pancetta and tomato sauce, garlic and onions and olives because there wasn't enough salad (he ate it all last night and I haven't been food shopping today). He has stomped off to Tesco express in a foul mood in search of salad and is noisily cooking an omelette. And, presumably salad. I suggested a sandwich, but he is anti bread at the moment, unless it is made with Ezekiel flour, which even Borough Market and Wholefoods Market can't deliver.

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 24-Oct-13 21:19:36

You would think I had offered him turkey twizzlers and curly oven chips.

Cremolafoam Thu 24-Oct-13 22:20:44

Should have mrs s, should haveshock

Getting to stir crazy point in this house. Cats are going demented - one is at the top of a very high bookcase( stuck) and the other one is running about like its full of speed.
Dh is stompy about fuck knows what.
Dd has slammed bedroom door
( I suspect a to-do between the two of them in the car on the way home from night class)
Now there is furious angry dishwasher emptying.

Would it be too much to ask to lie in front of the telly in peace recovering from a MAJOR ABDOMINAL PROCEDURE
WELL WOULD IT????? angryangryangry

motherinferior Thu 24-Oct-13 22:34:53

That would be a no, Cremo, it would not.

MrsS, I asked the Inferiorettes what they would like to eat over the weekend. They want fish fingers and oven chipsgrin

I don't know why I bother...and in fact am not going to bother. Fish fingers and oven chips it is grin

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 24-Oct-13 22:37:25

Crem - winewinewinewinewinewinewinewinewinewinewine

rubyrubyruby Thu 24-Oct-13 22:38:13

I would opt for a Fish Finger sandwich with those chips MI
..,,,, white bread and butter of course.

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 24-Oct-13 22:41:49

Nothing wrong with a nice fish finger and oven chips, MI. I am drooling at the thought. Can you get salmon fish fingers here? We were quite partial to them in Gay Paree. And can you get frozen chopped herbs here? I had a whole drawer full in my freezer in Paris. sad

CointreauVersial Thu 24-Oct-13 22:56:31

Oven chips for dinner here this evening (well, the DCs at least). The other night we had curry sauce out of a jar ( well, it was a "gourmet" one from the local deli, which makes it OK, surely?).

I find that the amount of wingeing about what's on the plate correlates directly with the amount of time and effort spent creating said plateful, and I'm all for the quiet life.grin

MrsS, I love Tiger. Great for school-mate birthday presents too.

herbaceous Thu 24-Oct-13 23:28:47

We all had oven chips for tea too. With sausages AND BEANS. Though I had peas, as the sausages had bramley apple in, and I'm not a savage.

Just watched Educating Yorkshire and was in floods about that lovely boy with the stammer. And his lovely teacher. Am now googling 'how to become a SALT'. It seems to involve two years full-time postgraduate study, then an insultingly low starting salary. But I'm wondering if it could be worth it for life fulfillment.

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 24-Oct-13 23:44:32

There is a Dutch shop that is very similar to Tiger (except they sell knickers and some children's clothes as well) called Hema, which we frequented when we lived in Belgium and France. We also bought some wrapping paper, stroopwafelen and some Belgian truffles and I ate them all. And we got DH a man shaped thing with a soap box on it that suckers onto the shower wall. He will hate it. gringrin

I got some of Prince Charles's sausages at the weekend. They were not popular - too coarse in texture. They were also extremely fatty - I used up the last four to make meatballs and the amount of fat that came out of the sausages was shocking.

CointreauVersial Fri 25-Oct-13 00:27:47

Herbs, I was filling up watching that too. I heart Mr Burton.

bigTillyMint Fri 25-Oct-13 06:38:52

MrsS, you can get salmon fishfingers (and frozen herbs) - I inadvertently bought them for the DC...
Oven chips and fishfingers constitutes a weeknight dinner here. With lots of veg, of course!

Oh yes, Mushraf - what a sweetie. And how blub when he did his speech to all those Y11's. It makes you realise what schools do as well as trying to hit the governments ever increasing targets.

Blackduck Fri 25-Oct-13 07:43:40

Very hungover here. Lovely curry with mates from work then two of us carried on. I can't do this at my age ..... I will need lots of tea today and peace and quiet....

Salmon fish fingers - ds's fav (with tartare sauce)

hattymattie Fri 25-Oct-13 07:46:07

That school was brilliant with the boy with the stammer - what I don't understand is how he didn't have outside specialist medical help and it was down to his teacher to try out the Kings Speech idea.

I did say to DH with the facilities they have in that school - individual laptops plus the dedication of the teaching staff, they should all be getting top marks. We have nothing like that in France.

Mrs S - get the impression you're missing Picard's frozen herb collection wink

bigTillyMint Fri 25-Oct-13 08:06:08

IME there is nowhere near enough SALT provision for even the youngest children. At Primary it is an occasional visit to give advice, not a proper full-on session unless the school buy in extra. I am not sure secondary children would get any at allsad

motherinferior Fri 25-Oct-13 08:36:07

I weirdly remember quite a bit of SALT provision in Norwich in the 1970s- a friend of mine was given it for his lisp, which was AFAIR no worse than DD2's is now. (He is now a successful musician.)

You can get salmon fish fingers, made with sustainable salmon, yet, but they prefer 'real' ones confused. I decided to bag myself some mackerel in an oat crust instead as I am the only inmate of the Inferiority Complex who likes mackerel.

Spookerella Fri 25-Oct-13 09:10:31

Ds's little school has a full-time SALT, I believe, but it is a bit special (caters for those with fairly severe physical disabilities).

Oven chips are not often on the menu here as some ingredient in them upsets my stomach. Dcs also not particularly keen. I think I may have overdone fishfinger convenience suppers during the couple of years I was ill with depression, as the dcs are rather underwhelmed by them as well. Ds's favourite supper is macaroni cheese and since I have become aware of the existence of ready-made cheese sauce, mac cheese is very easy indeed.

rubyrubyruby Fri 25-Oct-13 09:14:15

We love fish fingers. I have never served them as a 'meal' though. I don't know why confused DH is an excellent book but only cooks once a week a or so. I do feel under pressure to cook proper recipe type meals and it's hard with working and then running DCs here and there in the evenings.
DH is away this week and it's been easier tbh blush

Hope you are ok Crem x

rubyrubyruby Fri 25-Oct-13 09:20:09

DS2 had Speech Therapy when he was younger for a stammer. He still has it but, interesting, DH and I are the only ones who notice - even his teachers are surprised when I have felt the need to tell them for whatever reason smile He's just won a prize for the best presentation in his 6th form group - the college don't know about the stammer smile

motherinferior Fri 25-Oct-13 09:23:17

I must purchase some ready-made cheese sauce....

I should point out that I am a perfectly good cook, and rather like cooking. Most of the time. But the prospect of the weekend and then half term and the endless meal provision is making me feel quite faint, I must admit.

bigTillyMint Fri 25-Oct-13 09:23:45

Mine love mac cheese too! Sometimes I do a bacon one for a change!

Well done rubyjunior (and Herbsjunior!)

herbaceous Fri 25-Oct-13 09:48:09

Since getting a fish bone stuck in his throat, DS has declared that he no longer likes fish fingers or fish cakes, which rather halves my kiddy tea ideas. He will eat tuna, mackerel and salmon, however.

I feel I should make him more complex dinners, but frankly CBA to cook two complicated meals in one evening. And anyway, he gets his curries, tagines and moussakas for school dinner.

But really. I'm seriously considering the SALT career option.

motherinferior Fri 25-Oct-13 10:00:20

Just watched that bit on 4OD and cried.

It may also be that his family just wasn't, for whatever reason, pushing for support for him which I suspect makes a lot of difference in what comes through.

Spookerella Fri 25-Oct-13 10:01:25

Herbs, see if you can go and find a friendly SALT to shadow. You are lucky in that you live near an excellent place to do the training - at least I believe that City University is the business. Or used to be.

Spookerella Fri 25-Oct-13 10:02:28

(I foolishly started off in a head injuries unit, which rather put me off).

CointreauVersial Fri 25-Oct-13 10:29:13

Killing time in the computer mainframe room, while I empty out all the back-up tapes from the last virus-ridden week. Apparently I have to seal them in plastic and bury them under 12 foot of concrete. grin

rubyrubyruby Fri 25-Oct-13 10:36:37

grin CV

Herbs - go for it I say.

herbaceous Fri 25-Oct-13 10:41:12

Ah, City University you say. I saw that it does a post-grad in SALT, and thought 'handy'. The problem is, I guess, that it's two years' full-time study, with not much opportunity for earning money in the mean time. Though I suppose I could do the odd bit of writing/editing here and there. What is 'full time study' anyway? 9-5? In my day it was five lectures a week, and the rest of it loafing about.

herbaceous Fri 25-Oct-13 10:48:17

It's fate. City is having a post-grad open evening on 20 November. Course fees are paid by the NHS! Seems the timings are three days of lectures, one of clinical practice and one of private study.

I'm feeling all excited!

QueenQueenie Fri 25-Oct-13 10:52:40

How exciting Herbs! I can imagine you doing that and you'd be fab! It would be very worthwhile and therefore likely to feel satisfying I think.. Definitely find an experienced one to spend a day with (and cross examine about it all). I did a post grad course at City (law) about 500 years ago. It was good!

herbaceous Fri 25-Oct-13 10:56:59

I do hope I'd be good. I'd been looking for something 'worthwhile' to do for ages, and this has just lit my fuse.

I think one has to have volunteered in a salty capacity to get on a course, so I shall set about looking for a mentor when I get back from hol.

Starting NHS salary is pants (£21K), but it seems it's possible to supplement it with private work.

bigTillyMint Fri 25-Oct-13 11:11:07

Ooh, Herbs! Great timing!
And with a small DC at school, not a bad time to do studying.

Spookerella Fri 25-Oct-13 11:27:36

Your pants starting salary is only a couple of k less than our entire household income. smile

Seriously, Herbs, I can really see you as a SALT. It was something I really, really wanted to do, but I realised I would have been rubbish at it.

herbaceous Fri 25-Oct-13 11:31:47

Indeed. By next year he can go to after school club when necessary. He's already asking if he can go now!

But I need to apply by 2 December, and to show that I've done voluntary work, etc, by then. Could be tricky!

herbaceous Fri 25-Oct-13 11:32:58

Thanks all for your votes of confidence. Oh and sorry stropps re salary! 'Did I mean to be so rude?'

London costs of living, blah blah blah.

lalsy Fri 25-Oct-13 11:53:27

What an inspiring turn this thread has taken! Good luck Herbs.

Educating Yorkshire has highlighted the incredibly painstaking pastoral and other behind the scenes stuff schools do, I think. So time-consuming and skilled.

Glad to find other Tiger fans. I would have abolished stockings without it some years ago (my dd was terrified of the idea of FC but liked stockings, which caused all sorts of logistical complications, so the big guy was outed as a fake quite early on).

addle Fri 25-Oct-13 12:04:26

hello all, would like to recommend film about crepeys (more or less) called 'Enough Said' w/ Julia Louis Dreyfus, James Gandolfini and Catherine Keener. absolutely bloody marvellous, would like to go straight back and see it again

herbs, finding something worthwhile and different really fab. i looked at pgce in basic skills last year but couldn't get anyone to return my calls/answer my emails and retired defeated

lalsy [stern look] - what are you doing on mumsnet?

Cremolafoam Fri 25-Oct-13 12:19:12

Wow just wow herbs! Good for you.
I have wept and guffawed through the Yorkshire programme and found it incredibly it when a plan comes together.

Re fish fingers- love em. They are the 5:2 snack of choice and our local sainsbury has a massive photo of a fish finger sandwich on the entrance porch. Just sayin.

Auriga Fri 25-Oct-13 13:01:40

Need a new name, someone's been reading my posts. Probably fine, but just in case I need to moan about a loved one in peace...

It's alpha Lima tango Oscar, btw

CointreauVersial Fri 25-Oct-13 13:04:33

Wow Herbs, go girl!

I had a similar fuse-lighting a few years back - for me, the "career that got away" was Art Restoration. Scientific analysis, practical work, able to "freelance" or work ticked loads of boxes. I got as far as visiting an open day (London Met, I think) and spending an afternoon with a friend-of-a-friend who worked at Hampton Court Palace restoring tapestries and clothing, and it was fascinating. But at the time I just couldn't see a way around the mortgage, the childcare, the commute etc. etc. so the fuse fizzled out.

But you are local to the study location and have a flexible work pattern, so NO EXCUSES! (getting quite thrilled on your behalf).

bigTillyMint Fri 25-Oct-13 13:04:59


herbaceous Fri 25-Oct-13 13:22:11

Ooh yes, art restoration would also be marvellous. And literacy teaching, though its less clear how to break into that area...

bigTillyMint Fri 25-Oct-13 13:27:27

Herbs, do you mean an English teacher (not sure what it is called now, but suitable graduates can do a years paid on-the-job training)?

motherinferior Fri 25-Oct-13 13:34:17

<taps nose>

AIBU to continue theme of utter laziness in cooking for, well, the foreseeable future? As long as veg are involved somehow?

herbaceous Fri 25-Oct-13 14:04:15

No, MI. As long as each meal has a protein, a carbohydrate and a vegetable, that is sufficient. Preferably not always chips and peas. And not pasta twice in one day. They're my rules.

BTM, I'm not entirely sure what I mean. Helping adults or children with literacy, but with children it seems you have to be a teacher first, and a literacy person second, and with adults I can't make head or tail of how to qualify, in what, where, for how long, or what I could do afterwards!

addle Fri 25-Oct-13 14:11:55

herbs/btm, when i looked you could do a diploma in lifelong learning that would enable you to work with adults without being a qualified teacher, one year with a college and one year with IoE if doing part time. as far as i could tell no funding though. i was thinking about self funding but doing it part time so that i could work (ha!) as well. x

hattymattie Fri 25-Oct-13 14:43:39

Herbs - what is a SALT - (I did Google but can't seem to find it).

originalpiratematerial Fri 25-Oct-13 15:25:21

Good for you, Herbaceous! DS3 has a wonderful SALT - he is fantastic. The single most useful professional who has ever been involved with DS3 in all of his nine years on the planet.

Blackduck Fri 25-Oct-13 15:27:03

Hi all - is it time to go home yet? - had a shit week, and a very bad Friday..... (hangover not helping...)

However, have interview for a job (woo hoo) and have run 'grand plan' past my boss who thinks it is a runner (basically I take over his job when he goes....)

Herbs - sounds fab! Go for it.

bigTillyMint Fri 25-Oct-13 15:35:30

Oooh, well done BD!

My day has been OK, although there have been a lot of discombobulated little people around me (which started with my own DC this morning!)

Am pleased to have a week off, but am wishing we didn't have to trek 5hours on Sunday afternoon to my DMsblush

Spookerella Fri 25-Oct-13 15:39:38

BD, things might be looking up?? smile

Hatty - Speech and Language Therapist

motherinferior Fri 25-Oct-13 16:41:31

I must put more words on the page <weary hack>

wilbur Fri 25-Oct-13 17:42:47

Herbs - that's a brilliant idea! How exciting. SALT can be so fab and fascinating. I had it as a child and both dd and ds2 have had it too - ds2 had major speech delay and pronunciation issues. Can't blardy shut him up now and his speech is clear as a bell. There was a Desert Island Discs not so long ago which was a speech tutor and therapist who worked with actors and other folk - she was so interesting about the voice and its reflection of the personality. When I used to argue with my sister, before she stopped talking to me completely, my throat would literally close up and I would be unable to force any kind of sound out (thus always letting her have the last word angry). Speech is terribly emotionally driven.

Just in case anyone is free - I have a spare ticket tonight for a play reading at the Vibrant Playwriting Festival at the Finborough (West Brompton) at 9pm - dh just decided he's too tired (ie he forgot he said he would go). Anyone want to come? I think the subject matter may be a bit grim given that it's called Male Prisoner Category A, but if you fancy a harrowing Friday night out...

wilbur Fri 25-Oct-13 17:45:09

Crossed posts, BD. I think taking over from your boss sounds like an excellent plan, and with a bit of screwing your courage to the sticking place, I'm sure you would do brilliantly. smile

wilbur Fri 25-Oct-13 18:21:10
motherinferior Fri 25-Oct-13 18:24:32

Alas, I am incarcerated while DP frolics on the Austrian mountainside.

Auriga Fri 25-Oct-13 18:37:44

Wilbur, thanks for offer and sorry I can't make it. Admire people who can cope with having their guts wrenched recreationally, I tend to play safe on a night off nowadays, though did go to Macbeth recently.

Glad to hear good news on work front from lots of crepeys, and people aspiring to a fresh start. Maybe I'll be re-invigorated after secondment <counts days>

wilbur Fri 25-Oct-13 18:49:54

Auriga - from the title, I think the play might be a bit of a busman's holiday for you...

Am going to try and see Enough Said this weekend - maybe even in he afternoon one day as the kids are at in laws <punches air>.

herbaceous Fri 25-Oct-13 18:53:35

Ooh Wilbur thanks for all that inspiring talk! I may have to use you as a case study for my application form! And I'll listen to Patsy R too.

I had a hideous boss once, and my throat constantly had a lump in it. When I left, so did the lump.

MrsSchadenfreude Fri 25-Oct-13 19:19:16

Herbs - that sounds fascinating! You must go for it!

hattymattie Fri 25-Oct-13 19:22:58

Herbs - now i know what that is I think it sounds fab (and feel quite jealous). Really annoyed that I'm stuck in France and my only retraining option is English bloody language teacher!

Good luck.

Blackduck Fri 25-Oct-13 21:00:27

We need to get the idea sold further up the chain, but it's nice to know my boss doesn't think it's completely bats smile

Very tired here... Quiet weekend!!!

motherinferior Sat 26-Oct-13 12:49:41