How to pull off the 'posh girl scruffy look'(184 Posts)
i work in a very naice store, i see so many of these girls/ women a day. You know the look, all underdressed, but also looking very expensive/classy but not over done.
Is it alook that only money can achieve? ( i have none) where would i start?
I think ive got the hair down ( ish) but have no clue on the make up either.
Am certainly not posh, but I would think a combo of eating like a bird (being skinny really helps the look), growing your hair long, getting it blowdried and running your fingers through it/ pulling it back fetchingly, smile and nod, smile and nod, get teeth done...
Public school education/ coming from the Home Counties etc would help too.
Jewellery that looks like 'good' jewellery.
One big ring, maybe hammered silver. One bangle, ditto hammered silver. Understated watch like a leather Tank style.
A slouchy style bag, structured looks try-hard. In a muted colour - pebble grey, pale tan, beige in summer
Tip 1= be rich
Tip 2= get lots of money and spend a lot of time spending it on yourself
Tip 3= see tips 1 and 2.
I think that's it...
Tip 4 BMI of 22 or less
Tip 5 hair even bigger than Harry styles
Tip 6 be under 24 years old
any pics of what this look, looks like.
is it a kind of, i've been sitting on the beach but still look freshly tousled?
Google prince Harry girlfriends. He has a type. This is it.
What they're wearing may look a bit scruffy, but it's actually good quality and well-cut.
And yes, quality jewellery.
Think of how the TOWIE girls dress.
Do the opposite...
nothing she us wearing is cheap or fake
Pro gel nails, professional highlights, horrible, but no doubt expensive sunglasses, lesther bag, boots that are obviously not Primark's rip off.
A clearly expensive, non see thru white shirt and trousers that fit perfectly. Not a lot of make up, nicely done.
Simple real gold pendant.
yes that sort of look.
i think im probably a few stones too heavy
and possibly too old.
and too skint.
is that sort of look not possible on a
i dont do the towie look at all, but i do not look like that. The hair i can do, the slouchy bag i can do. I have boots and flats. and plenty of ' one big accessory'
Where would one get a nice slouchy bag but cheaper?
Oh I want to rock this look too - I am
fat Curvaceous and no matter how hard I try, can't seem to wear anything.
haha. i have a few slouchey bags. i want an orange one though. or a nice red. cant find one
i am also too fat and booby. i need to stop eating cheese i think.
its just such a nice look. i really like it.
does anyone have any idea on make up? im all eyelashes and gloss which looks great but is probably too much?
try low carbing re the weight (it really does work)
and TK Maxx for the bags
I think it's achievable on a budget, but needs to be modified a bit depending on weight and age - it's not my preferred look, but I could easily cobble it together from things I have in my wardrobe.
- Hair either swoosh-ified or in a messy bun;
- Make-up simple: lightly applied and well matched foundation, mascara, blush, and lip balm - nails can be short and coated in clear polish so no manicure needed;
- Skinny jeans (New Look or Gok @ Sainsbo's are both very good for me and under £30);
- Nice leather flat pumps or boots (TK Maxx - I only wear Dr Marten boots so I have no idea how much normal shoes cost);
- Good quality coat in flattering shape and colour (my smart coat was £110, my casual coat was £35, and both are equally lovely);
- Layering vests (Primark, £3);
- Layering long sleeve and short sleeve linen knit t shirts (Zara, £20 each);
- Simple silver pendant (ebay, £20 or less);
- Simple silver ring (notonthehighstreet, £30 or less);
- Stainless steel and leather strap watch (argos/amazon/ebay, £30 or less).
That would do the trick for me, despite the fact that I'm not stick thin (hourglassy size 10, so small waist but very pronounced hips, thighs, bum and boobs), and I never use a hair dryer. I don't look that young, either - I'm nearly 23, but easily pass for over 25 . Hope that helps a little!
Make up - very natural but accentuating good features. Kate Middleton does the look very well, but the round-the-eye eyeliner doesn't quite fit the brief here. Neither would bright colours in eyeliner or lipstick.
Bad roots that someone had the fucking genius idea of.marketing as ombre , tied up.in a knot that you put in three days ago.
A patterned scarf on with everything.
A handbag bigger than your car.
Oh, and - the most important part of that look (IMO) is understated confidence and self-assurance. Communicated by good posture, poise/social ease, eye contact, head up, not playing with hair/fiddling with clothes, and keeping your face arranged in a calm expression.
Try Zara for clothes and make up I would say would be foundation bit of blush and mascara with a pinky lip balm/lip stain they probably don't go overboard
As a lifelong resident of Clapham and Fulham, I see the species daily in its native habitat. Tips to integrate into the herd:
1. They don't eat - but some of the best ones, oddly, are size 14-16, so don't let that put you off.
2. Get Wandsworth highlights - colour of unsalted butter.
3. Be very, very clean and always tanned. Jewellery always includes a scrunchie and a signet ring.
4. Shop at Whistles, All Saints, Velvet, James Perse, Zara and ebay (they love a bargain).
5. Dress fast and take no more than 1 min to put your hair in a rubber band, half up, half down.
6. Park badly while talking on the phone, jump the queue in Starbucks every morning, and talk louder than humanly possible.
7. Shriek - ie laff - a lot.
"Oh, and - the most important part of that look (IMO) is understated confidence and self-assurance. Communicated by good posture, poise/social ease, eye contact, head up, not playing with hair/fiddling with clothes, and keeping your face arranged in a calm expression."
I was about to mention this, too.
Kate Middleton isn't really of the look type the op means is she? This is more that skinny model whose name escapes me (bessies with Rita thing). Kate is more born again sloane.
yes, not sloaney.
they dont even have to be skinny, i see plenty of none skinny ones.
Scruffy Barbour, cashmere, expensive watch.
That's the older variety though.
Long legs, good posture, no worries about bills
I would like the look too.
One of the motthers from DD1's class has this look down to a "T".
She's 10 years younger than me, and used to be a model for Gucci, and the like.
I love the posh scruffy look, I see it in Liberty. Usually shopping with their mothers.
Messy hair, unbrushed.
Huge bag, slouchy.
Simple not tight clothes. Like tank and skirt.
Nice watch. Maybe men's style
Minimal make up
I love that look - I see varieties of it around. I am just too short / fat / old.
There are some women that can wear a pair of jeans, boots, t shirt, and that is it and look amazing. Better than I do all dolled up!
In a department store, when you walk you should glide. No boppy up-down movements, glide. Like, if you couldn't see the legs you would think they were coasting on roller skates.
Never look hassled. Never.
lurkingaround are you talking about aliens
love this thread, its hilarious but so true, by the way seeing i have boys, what does the male version of this look like
I think for boys it used to be jack wills style, but that brand has perhaps now been appropriate by the less well to do so no longer the case! Maybe prince Harry?
Doesn't it just look a bit like this? Young, beautiful, perfect skin, voluminous long hair and an expensive but simple look?
What would the 'none skinny' ones wear?
What would the 'none skinny' ones
Twin sets, midi lenth classic style skirts, never trousers! Floor length gowns for special occasions.
And lots of sensible dresses, plunging necklines, always with a smart cardi or jacket on top.
We see a lot of this look where we live. You need to be under 25. You need healthy thick hair! Really good skin and really good teeth, a sun kissed tan too. Eye make up - mascara and lipstick, usually pink, nothing else. The clothes are high end high street and confidence, like you are well travelled and used to staying in the best hotels it are still cool enough to camp just for fun.
You need to be slim but the over 40's can pull off this look too. You need massive sunglasses and slouchy but quality casual clothes from the likes of The White Company, e.g. grey cashmere boyfriend cardigan, black harem crops and silver flat sandals on lovely tanned manicured feet. You walk holding your oversized Chloe hobo on one shoulder and your phone on the other, because you're SO busy and popular, no faffing about in your handbag when the phone rings.
No phone on shoulder, I just made that up... hand I meant to say...
What type of jackets or coats would go ith this look?
The calm expression. Shit - fail on that one.
They don't need coats. They don't walk.
Do you need to be blonde? Is that important for hair colour?
Corny gal this line cracks me up :
"They don't eat - but some of the best ones, oddly, are size 14-16, so don't let that put you off."
To me, this is a slightly modified and mor contemporary London/Home Counties version of what used to be known at my uni (over 10 years ago) as "being a massive rah". Back then it also involved gilets and pashminas, but the basic principle was the same - well-highlighted, healthy, swishy hair; some kind of leather boots that you could potentially ride a horse in, should the need arise; a massive feck-off handbag and clunky ish silver jewellery.
Nowadays I'd say you need to add in a stylishly understated pair of sunglasses, and would also note that delicate gold jewellery is becoming more the thing, rather than clunky silver. Beige/greyish cashmere will always fit with this look, as will dark skinny jeans and metallic sandals.
OP I'd say that if you're trying to do this on a budget then TK Maxx should definitely be your first stop.
The biggest things are the really not caring and the masses of thick hair. The not caring because you are rich of course. And being young too.
I don't think it's a look that only money can achieve - I think it's a look that only thinness and good taste can achieve. Unfortunately even with good taste and money, if you don't have height and thinness you will always look like a bag lady. Sloppy slouchy clothes rarely work on bigger /shorter women, and fitting clothes to your waist and chest can always end up looking too suburban and try-hard. It's a sad fact of life I know about only too well.
Skinny long hair not too 'done' very light tan and minimal make up. Plain clothes and small decent jewellery no big statement high st bangles etc Mans watch and nice short nails. Big expensive bag expensive shoes/boots good teeth. I think it's a natural thing really and is based on the hair and being skinny. It cannot be done if you have shorter mumsy hair and are plump. also no faddy fashions the look rarely changes
I always think young, ie early twenties. I can't think of someone older.
Olivia Palermo is very neat for this look.
I also get the feeling these girls would look good wearing a sack. Blond hair - golden sun kissed highlights rather than full head. Mostly though thick and shiny, even though it doesn't look brushed.
Being slim with a light tan and lovely hair can make this work for all. Even over 40 which is a different version but similar basics accessorised with a screaming blond baby boris Johnson a like
There is a pic of me on my profile doing the old person version of this look not as polished or glam but plain. I think I plan to keep to it as a day thing as long as possible. I am not skinny enough to do it 100%
Also Breton-striped boat-sleeved tops can work well this the slighter older version of this look. The best clothes-shopping advice ever given to me is definitely valid here - it doesn't have to be expensive, but if it doesn't look as though it could potentially be expensive, then don't buy it.
ah, see, i have the long hair part, its waist length. I have the tan, and im 34.
the downside is im 5ft3 and a good size 14. bugger.
funny as this thread has been ive picked up a few ideas, so i might be able to create some kind of modified version of this look. I just brought a leather satchel on ebay, so, that would look fab flung over my shoulder with some casually layered tops.
You look great Noddy, very pretty photo . Your ds looks posh scruffy in the one with long surfer blonde hair too. (And we have the same black fireplace).
I'm slim and a bit messy-ish. I can't do overly neat.
But I can't do long hair, collar bone length only.
Thanks marsha that is nice to hear My ds is 19 now! Still blond and scruffy!
i cant do overly neat, it makes me cross and feel odd, so hopefully its a look that should be easy.
( lovely house too noddy)
On a budget, get cheap skinny jeans and designer tops/blouses.
Blow dry your hair but don't really style it. Keep it long and regularly trimmed.
Go understated on makeup. Just BB cream really.
If in doubt, stay simple, stay neutral(ish), avoid pattern, avoid manmade fibre, avoid hair 'styles' other than a bob, but even then keep it a classic bob, not a faddy take on a bob. Never wear coloured eye make up, always go for the bare/neutral/smokey eyes. Nail polish should always be nude or a good red/burgundy, or whatever is the Chanel fad colour of the season. No glitter or frosting please. Absolutely no nail extensions or nail 'art' or bright white French manicures either. Nails should be shortish and square or sqoval. If you must have a tattoo it must be teeny tiny, and on the inside of your wrist.
Tans should always be light and golden, never too obvious, likewise any hair colourings. Dark hair is ok, but it must look natural - no plum tones.
A good swishy blow dry with volume is a must, but I should never look too obviously 'styled.'
Good shoes. People notice the shoes. Really cheap shoes are a dead gieaway. Don't totter round on nightclub shoes in the middle of the day - always a sign that you are secretly trashy. Buy the best boots you can stretch to, preferably the riding style, and for summer get flat jewelled sandals or loafers like Tod's.
I don't think it matters whether you wear fine, delicate gold jewellery or chinky silver statement stuff or good cotume jewelry, but it must look classy. If you can't immediately tell the difference between classy and non-classy then don't wear any.
Sorry for the embarrassing autocorrects.
I think riding boots are all wrong for this look, too conservative, too neat. Fine if wearing riding gear but not for everyday wear I don't think.
I think I have this look. Quite interested to see it's so coveted though as I was out shopping yesterday and was thinking how I always feel so underdressed compared to so many people in the city. For me there's no secret to it though, just laziness! While I love clothes I'm not that fashionable and I'm pretty low maintenance. People say I always look well put together though so I'll, ahem, give you some tips in the hope it may help:
Hair: my hair is pretty shit and thin but I do grow it long, get it highlighted every couple of months and wear it in a loose bun/ shabby high pony tail falling out of a bun whenever it's having a bad day (most if the time)
Skin and make up: I have good lightly tanned clear skin which is just luck and good genes, just as well as I hate make up. I wear Liz Earle / Laura Mercier tinted moisturiser along with a few sweeps of light bronzer and cheek highlighter (body shop). Mascara, eyebrow pencil but not too much. Eyebrows I keep shaped but not overly 'done'. Evenings I'll wear some neutral / smokily / gold eye shadow (urban decay Naked Palette)
Jewellery: for daytime, always pearl studs. Silver chunky ring, platinum wedding band. Big leather or small stainless steel watch. No bling. For evening I might wear big costume jewellery - chunky fake jewel rings / tarnished charm bracelet / bangles / tarnished earrings or big hoops.
Accessories: lots of scarves! I have a whole section of wardrobe dedicated to them!
Shoes: pumps, converse, cowboy boots, riding boots (mid calf), biker boots, metallic sandals. High heels for occasional evening and work only, never over four inches!
Clothes: skinny jeans, usually from 7 mankind or H&M, layered vests and t shirts, collared shirts with v necks, blazer jackets, leather jacket (scruffy). Summer dresses. Lots of stripes and boat necks.
Bags: I have a nice collection of Mulberry bags, a couple are big shoulder ones but I prefer my more practical cross-body satchel and messenger style ones.
I don't shop anywhere special: Zara, Toast, All Saints, H&M, Uniqlo, French Connection and Great Plains. Superdry do nice boots.
Basically it's the opposite of Victoria Beckham's look. If it feels like too much effort or too uncomfortable I won't do it. Just remember to have nice skin, highlighted hair, minimal make up, skinny jeans, flat shoes, a scarf and a pair of pearl studs and you'll probably pass!!
Sorry about the essay. Me me me...
Oh god, and NO nail varnish other than clear for fingers. i can't bear weraing it as it makes me feel grubby and it always chips. i do indulge in dark colours on my toes though! I can't bear to have nude toes!
Nails (finger and toe) ALWAYS short but not TOO short IYKWIM
I like what you're saying Fellatio
ariel - yep. that sounds like it. im not too far away from that myself.
sort of found myself in a bit of a ' cant quite decide what my style is anymore' momment. hate the towie/ glam/ victoria beckham effort, am naturally scruffy and 50% there already.
I think my biggest thing is the make up... ill stick a pic on have a look for me will you. people describe me as glam. which im not. maybe i need to ditch the gloss?
I always think Olivia Palermo and Andy murray's gf look nice, maybe a bit overly groomed and try hard though.
Ditch the gloss and wear Vaseline instead. Gloss just for evenings and even then keep it understated and neutral with minimal eye make up
Well it's al very well me talking the talk but sadly I can't walk the walk - too short and fat and booby. I try to stick to it as much as I can but I look awful in slouchy layering and skinny jeans, and beige/cream/grey. Just awful. I need a bit of structure and some deep colour.
Aw fellatio! I bet you're lovely really - you've certainly got nice taste. Navy, black, olive, teal, dark red are all nice if broken up with lighter colours too. Blazers and loafers / pumps, slim fit jeans, fitted boat necks, good quality shirts with v neck jumper are all good for structure.
I know some vairy nicely dressed curvy (sorry hate that word) women. All have nice swooshy hair, good teeth, nice understated jewellery and nice accessories.
I went to an Italian wedding once and all the mamas were the best dressed, most elegant women I have ever seen. None smaller than a 14.
just vaseline? really? my lips are very very pale, almost white!
think i need to tone the eye make up down too. bit addicted to heavy black eyeliner.
fellatio - honestly i am very very curvey. and and short. aka short and fat
but im sure we can do some kind of version of it i have discovered the secret to looking better in slouchy tops with skinny jeans it to wear a longline vest top ( white or black, or cream, or grey) UNDER the slouchey top. SO, it sort of makes you look less billowey AND holds you all in a bit AND looks a bit scruffy like you dont care. hurrah!! its win/ win
Ok watchfor, wear a neutral lip tint. I've got one somewhere, think it's by bobby brown. Then a bit of vas over the top!
Oh and never wear Coleen Rooney perfume - dead giveaway.
I'm loving this thread. I aspire to be like this- well put together, but without having to take too much time. I have the layering t shirts (in a multitude of colours) and a vast array of jeans (though haven't quite found the best kind of skinnies- they either sag round the derriere or make my legs look like encased sausages).
However, I've now come to realise that I only suit certain colours- navy, brown, silvery greys and burgundy. So, I'll have to ditch a lot of my layering t shirts and start over. So, 2 questions to you wise ladies:-
Where is the best place to buy one good pair of skinny jeans. I have a small waist and bum, and slim, but not skinny, legs?
Best place to buy a dressy top in one of the colours above- long / 3/4 sleeved and would go with jeans or trousers?
Ariel. You have just shattered all my illusions of you
haha - yes I agree - I avoid all sleb branded/endorsed perfumes on a matter of principle.
im going out with no eyeliner on. and no massive lashes. feel a bit naked.... pic on profile....
I can't see your profile.
sorry, should be able to now
i think that kind of "undone" hair takes a lot of styling to perfect.
I have long, thick blonde hair. I can achieve that kind of swishy, undone soft wavy look, but it take me 45mins with a dryer, big round brush, and a lot of product.
If I let it dry naturally it just looks scruffy, as opposed to artfully undone.
I'm far too northern to 'get' scruffy chic.
yeah the over a size 8 need not apply lol, its doesn't flatter boobs and bum.
Exit I was joking about the Coleen Rooney perfume! He he.
Well, not joking about not wearing it, but joking about the implication that would ever in a million years be caught wearing it! Coco Chanel all the way for me dahling.
I didn't just mean about the perfume! I meant the mulberry handbags and the high heels - you are Cornish Ariel
of basking shark fame ?
It cannot be done if you have shorter mumsy hair and are plump.
Hence my pre-40 midlife crisis diet and hair growing regime ...
i do blow dry my hair with a big round brush everyday...
still fat though
I've noticed that a number of women with this look tend to have that dark goldeny blond hair colour and not overly blond hair which seems to add to the classy and natural look.Of course natural lightish blond is a different story.
Visit your nearest town with a ver exclusive public school. Check out the 6th formers
All faaar less polished than a lot of these suggestions but they ooze money despite looking complete scruff bags
Most seem to have a bit of 'ethnic' in their look. A bit of embroidery or suchlike. All slightly frayed around the expensive edges
I'm taking notes from this thread, sadly I feel I am too old, overweight and Irish toned to pull off this look
Have generations of rich ancestors who's good diet means you are tall
Peasant stock means you will be
I'm tall but still peasant like. My hips are too wide to be an aristo.
I remember as a teenager reading some nonsense article in the DM about how rich women had a different femur to tibia ratio to us peasants. I measured and found my legs to be lacking. I realised the DM hated women that day.
Oh wow! I would love to see that original DM article. What a crock.
My style is pretty much as described up thread. Alas, being big of nork and 5'4" I doubt whether I look the part! However, it's comfy, easy to put together and simple. I own two pairs of high rise skinnies, a few long vests, a couple of silk t-shirt style tops and a couple of blazers and that's about it. I mix it up with a few simple, knee length, summer dresses when it's warmer weather. My big slouchy bag and oversized sunglasses are key but I only own one of each (flush I am not). Ballet pumps, tan sandals and Ash Jalouse boots are my standard foot wear.
I'm allergic to most jewellery so just wear diamond studs, a gold or silver chain and a plain, small watch.
I have a good friend who is 5'8" and thin. She dresses in a much more high fashion, unique sort of way and I feel a complete scruff next to her!
My hair is currently like Sophia Coppola's hair as shown in attached pic but a little darker. It was long an swishy but I fried the ends with my Babylis Pro Curl and had to have a drastic chop last week.
how would one achieve this look when the weather is cold ? I seem to have got the hang of it until it gets cold and then when the jumpers and big coats come out i become skint-girl scruffy!
Charlottebrontesaurus has hit the nail on the head I think...the look is not actually low maintenance except for a very few, very lucky girls who have won the genetic lottery breeding (and probably cash wise).
For most it takes a very high level of grooming that is being downplayed and, IMHO, is mainly about being young, having thick glossy hair (even if unwashed), glowing (pampered) skin and attitude. Coltish figure helps. I'm not sure the value of the clothes makes a great deal of difference if you have those basics nailed. There is definitely an air about it all that only growing up in a family with a lot of money (or being French ) brings unfortunately.
Marsha you TOTALLY do this look.
And OP, you look fabulous without the eyeliner.
Travel! You made me laugh
I should have said the posh part ruined as I have an accent. And you made me yearn a bit for age 22 when I could do it properly. All espresso'd up and nonchalant. Was fun.
You're posh gamine btw .
G'wan, wafting around Liberty with your Aveda highlights and ballet pumps.
I don't think a purdy cut qualifies me for this look. My sister totally rocks this though, all pink pashmina and man's fedora at Wimbledon.
And I would never describe myself as posh. Which possibly means that I am.
snail I love your thread. Like the eyeliner-less photo too.
In winter you need cashmere, I think.
I've been trying to buy less, but better - pay attention to the fabric your clothes are. Silk, viscose, cashmere, cotton = all good.
Jewellery like this stuff (basically everything on the site).
I cannot, for the life of me, get the hair right. It's thick and I just got highlights, but I can't style it at all. Is babyliss big hair actually a hair revelation, or is it shite?
Haha Travel yes on both counts. Non use of term and Liberty, just a few years on!
Not sure about the BBH might make hair too neat.
People that really look the part are private secondary schools near here. Loads of messy long hair and scruffiness.
i have a big round brush that has a metal barrel.
and a ton of layers ( because i like it scruffy) i mostly dry it by blasting it upside down then just use the barrel brush on the top layer
because im lazy and it looks ok.
i never brush it. ever.
thanks marsh... that was a first go at no eyeliner ever for about 20 years. needs a bit of practice i think... but people keep saying how young i look... that can only be good....
buying less but better quality might be a good idea. not that i buy much anyway. but i am prone to impulse buys and daft things im never going to wear.
My hair always looks neat anyway, as it just goes straight. I never brush either.
Best style for me is one of those grabby tortoiseshell clips and I sort of scoop it all up, clip and hope for the best. hair down never looks good on me.
Round here everyone wears padded joules coats. DH wants to buy me one, but I'd rather have a camel coloured wool trench coat. Already have a wax barber so don't need another weekend waterproof.
Come and join us on MNV snail lots of chat about buying better and less and - the main rule - only what you really love and know you will get good cost per wear from .
For lips Smith's Rosebud lip balm is perfect - it's basically posh vaseline with the tiniest hint of colour. Burt's Bee's tinted lip balms in a pinky rose colour also good. Agree that Urban Decay's Naked palette for eyes is great for this look.
marchline - yeah, i dont think those padded joules coats would come under ' posh girl scruffy' because they are too ' neat and trying to be posh' a wax barbour is totally the right think though, same as the trench coat
Sleep - i will. I really dont buy things very often as im skint as a skint thing... is that still ok?
oh and im going to work with no eyeliner today. big thing as i work in a public facing role.
snail there are lots of peole on mnv who dont actually buy loads, if you like admiring links to things other people are buying or considering buying, or even just admiring, and you are up for some friendly banter, with honest feedback and suggestions if you want it, then you'll fit right in .
Mumsnet vogue - another thread where a group of us discuss purchases, looks, lifestyle. It's fun.
I love this look and it's all over the south west. I find it fairly easy as have bra length thick dark hair which gets brushed and washed as little as possible, I'm tall and slim, gravitate towards simple easy clothes (like marsha!). Nothing better than a day at the beach then slinging on hotpant shorts, slouchy tee and havs with big shades. Easy and fun is the best for summer isn't it?
I've really enjoyed this thread, but would sort of thing would be worn when it's too hot for skinny jeans? Other than dresses, anyone care to link to a type of dress? I want to google and look on Pinterest for images of celebs that have this look so far I have Olivia palamaro? Kim sears, who else?
Kim sears too groomed and ironed looking
Not many posh girls where I live so I may be way off the mark!
Yes her too. And Millie Macintosh
Oh no, not Kim Sears
Or the Middletons.
too orange, to much make up
too try hard
Prince Harry girlfriend Cressida is a good example of this look.
In that case I nominate La Mossy. The Original and the Best.
And not under 25 either
though she IS thin obvs
I don;t know what people like about Kim sears Just no! kate moss looks beautiful in that pic
Kim Sears could do that look beautifully if she did her hair and makeup like she usually does then had a kip before she went out.
I think she dresses terribly and just over groomed.
God I never really pin pointed this look before and now I just want want want it!!
My limb joints just aren't thin enough, shoulders too broad (narrow shoulders helps no?) and hair not long enough
how do these girls do 'evening'?
I sometimes wonder about this fairly recent interest in wanting to appear wealthy, which seems to go hand in hand with a resurgent fascination with the British Royal family. I guess I don't get it, but maybe that's because I was a teen in the 90's and kind of started out with an attitude of sticking the finger up to the aristocracy, preferring instead to explore my identity via fashion, which at the time didn't appear to involve itself with class.
I wonder if this has something to do with the political times we live in? Back then, we weren't exactly anti establishment, just a lot less focused on dressing to impress. It never occurred to me to examine how classy I might look or how others might actually perceive me. And I don't think that this was strictly about being part of a youth culture either: I have only noticed this shift to obsessing over class and luxury since the internet somehow normalized 'luxury' as a seemingly necessary element of self worth. Now I see young teens chasing Chanel, Dior, etc.
I do think it has something to do with the web, but can't place exactly when this shift occurred. Perhaps about 5 yrs ago? I believe that we have become more geared towards an obsession with luxury/class as opposed to self expression, creativity and individualism. It kind of fascinates and puzzles me, and I will admit that I am just a little bit affected by it myself, too.
Sorry to send the thread in a weird direction, but I do think it is at least partly relevant, and quite interesting, and there must be others here who have wondered about it, too?
Why are we so keen to appear wealthier nowadays, culturally speaking? What other values are we kicking under the carpet?
I like my luxury now and again. But I sometimes miss the way we used to question (and actively avoid) the established norms and the all pervading media which we would actually openly laugh at. We didn't want to look as though we came from the Home Counties. We didn't consider the royals to offer anything of worth. Do they now? Is it such a disgraceful concept to actually be proud of hailing from a working class or even middle class background?
I guess I just don't understand.
I love this look. Where do these girls get their slouchy bags from?
Toasted lots of my friends dress like this and aren't trying to appear wealthy I think some people naturally look and dress that way regardless.
I do agree re individuality though although you can still incorporate it into this look. I am more perturbed by the little girls who all look like Cheryl cole with big eyes and hair etc
ToastedTeacakes, I see where you're coming from. I find it strange to think that people want to adopt a 'look' that isn't theirs, or authentic. I think the Internet has a lot to do with this - forums like this are a perfect example. And the fact that consumer culture offers endless choices and the relative cost of clothing is cheap, so you can see the look you want and set out to emulate it. It's sort of anti-fashion really - neither slavishly following the latest trend or being totally eccentric and doing your own thing. It's about adopting the clothes of a 'tribe' but not your tribe.
Teens chase after Chanel etc because our outrageously materialistic, uncreative consumer culture is telling them what they ought to have, and they swallow it ("because you're worth it"). You can buy 'Chanel' sunglasses in Primark for a fiver, and look just like the C list really tv celebrity you saw in a magazine. Clothing is cheap and disposable, so instead of picking what you love and sticking with it, and combining old things with new things, you just chuck it all out for a new 'look'.
The other thing that puzzles me about this and you have identified, I think, is that the clothes and accessories of wealth and privilege in this era are largely about conformity, and I am puzzled by that on a personal level because I am not that interested in conforming, and for me style is about looking like yourself (the best version of you) rather than like someone else.
The thing I find most amusing about this though is that in aping this look with cheap stuff, it's totally missing the point that the main thing about these women is that they are very wealthy. It's just not going to work in Peckham, no matter how many Primark vests you layer, or what shampoo you use. Because women who look like this belong in Kensington and Chelsea.
I have to know though, OP, how did work go without the eyeliner?
For evening I think messy hair still and slightly stronger eye makeup.
Clothes wise not much in the way of bright colours and pattern. Traditionally elegant clothes that are 'toughened up' with above nonchalant hair and makeup.
IMO Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen are the queens of scruffy glamour
MK&A again here
I have no right whatsoever to be on a Style and Beauty board but the look you are all describing reminds me of loads of young women I used to see shopping on the King's Rd. Looks v natural from a distance and only when you get close up do you see all the (v discreet) grooming that's gone into it. I think King's Rd was them in their natural habitat.
Jemima Goldsmith also strikes me, especially in her younger days, as the epitome of this look.
I don't think this particular look is trying to appear wealthy.
It's all understated, slightly beaten up, lived in, accessorised with just the right bits.
It's the lack of obvious labels and trying too hard that makes it.
I don't think it can be done on the cheap I'm afraid.
ToastedTeacakes You raise a fascinating point - but I disagree with you. People have been dressing to ape their "betters" through all time and all cultures. The internet might be the current bringer of the news, but I'm not sure there has ever been a time when personal display was not "aspirational".
That's true, somethingyesterday, but define 'betters'. Clothing is usually aspirational (once people are beyond only affording functional) but it's the target of that aspiration that's interesting. In the 1980s as teenagers we certainly did not want to dress like Diana and Sloaney girls - we all wanted to look like Bananarama!
Paris scruffy glamour is exactly right. I don't think its a rich thing its a style that has evolved from various looks Its a bit sloane ranger and a bit Anita Pallenburg
Yes! Because Bananarama were at the top of your particular tree. At that time....
Re the tribal thing; tribes are just spread a little wider nowadays. It doesn't mean that people don't have the same sense of belonging. And they'll dress to imitate the leaders of the tribe.
Oh dear god woman, you're not fat - this is me
and look great without eye liner. Am I brave enough to try?
lol, those were the days
Hmm, but usually you dress to join the tribe too, don't you think, to identify people like you and identify with them. So all Bananarama fans looked the same, all the surfer girls looked the same. But this (and what I see in Primark when I visit with my DD) isn't quite the same thing, somehow. I can't quite articulate why - will have to think about it.
Perhaps it's just that this look is so far from my own personal aesthetic, and my work brings me into contact with many of these women, that I can't find much love for it.
Oh, I remember the eighties very well . If I could have chosen I would have looked like Chrissie Hynde. I thought she was so cool. She was so cool. Unfortunately, I had a very curvy shape, so even with a BMI of 19, I didn't suit black drainpipe trousers.
I experimented with a look that suited my shape, but the look that complimented my colouring and shape best emerged as Nigella-esque, whereas I was hanging out with various sorts of Marxists and the Chrissie Hynde look would have been far more congruous. I did try incorporating some Goth elements to try and balance it out...
No, I never tried to look like Diana; I thought of Sloanes as somehow being a different species to me, and rather looked down on them as being almost certainly less intelligent than me, and reliant on the chance trick of being born into money.
I can't do much dark eye make up now, it only accentuates any dark circles under my eyes; in my 40s I find myself more and more heading for a classic look...
ontheotherside Perhaps the people you're describing are the ones who simply haven't found their tribe - and, flailing around, just land on the most accessible square.....
How does one emulate this look if they have thin wispy hair? It's not really possible, is it? All these yahs have masses of lovely thick hair. I think that 90% of this look boils down to very good genes.
Jemima goldsmith very good example.
I have just watched
another an episode of Phineas and Ferb with the DCs. Even Phineas have Ferb have one of these girls. Flawless Girl, is her name. She has it all, the hair, the height, the skin. And she even glides. The episode is about a company selling products so you can look like Flawless Girl, and how Phineas et al expose the company and make us all realise what a scam it is. So here we are, all growed up, looking for it again.
I LOVE phineas and ferb
Bow chica bow wow
Toasted I think it goes in cycles - early/mid eighties was the 'Wall st' 'Greed is good' era and people aspired to look like the Dallas/Dynasty ladies and loved the royal family. Then in the late 80's/early 90's culture shifted and it was cool to be 'northern' and working class - I was in uni in the early 90's and my peers were very leftie, loved bands like Oasis, Stone Roses, Pulp etc and the uniform (for we all conformed in our non conformist way) was jeans, desert boots/converse/doc martens with band t shirts or paisley shirts, baggy jumpers and army surplus store jackets. We are probably overdue a lurch back to proper, unplucked eyebrows, hairy legged scruffiness!
I know!! I also love Phineas and Ferb. It is one of the few kid shows I can watch with
more than a bit of glee.
I tend to look like this accidentally most of the time (but am darker, not blonde) I wouldn't try to look like it, it comes from having pared down stuff and just throwing it together. I think it comes from me not actually paying any attention to fashion and not wearing anything trendy. I think the closest to a trend would be this look with an added colour on a scarf or necklace or something. I have always looked like this though. I think many would just think I am scruffy
if you wanted to emulate it, I think the key is to really not care very much, while still being well groomed in terms of eyebrows, nails, skin, teeth.
for summer, nice sandals are a must as are some plimsolls
neat well kept nails
some longer skirts
vintagey t shirts / plain white t shirts
sundresses are good
seen a lot of people in shorts
makeup, maybe gel nails, mascara and perhaps a tiny bit of smudgey eyeliner
youth and height are advantageous
vintage unbranded bags are good
shops, I don't know, maybe a mixture of american apparel, anthropologie, urban outfitters, jack wills, oxfam, matches
Ooooh I don't agree, I think they care and try vair much!
I agree kaosak. I think it takes a lot of work and thought.
toast - have to disagree, sorry. Dont think its a 'new' thing, people have been buying fashion magazines since forever. Its also certainly, for me, not about trying to appear 'wealthy' I have no money, im not ashamed of that and im not wanting to appear something im not.
For me its just about finding a stye that is me. I was a teenager in the 90's too. I was all indie, from my louise werner haircut to my brown cord jarvis coat. I got married and became ' identi-kit woman at next' since i was living abroad, and if you didnt have clothes from there you were some kind of outcast. It wasnt me. When i got divorced i felt a bit lost, so i went back to what i knew, and thats been fine for the last 5 years or so, however ive recently realised that how i dress is not reflecting how i now am. And it might be negatively effecting my life, in that it gives the wrong impression of me.
Im never going to want to pull of the towie look, and i dont care about labels, too much effort isnt going to work either. And yes while i might be short and dumpy, i think i can still emulate this style, which i really like and isnt too far from where i currently am. Im not trying to be a carbon copy and im sure most people on this thread arent, its just about getting a few pointers and a bit of inspiration.
The no eyeliner, well it was ok, i quite liked it until lunch time and then i looked like i was wearing no eyemake up all. Might have been the lights at work, because i came home and took a picture and it looked ok - ish. I think its just going to take some getting used to. I did get a few compliments on my hair though, which i did more toussled that usual.
oh and traveto - yeah, give it a go. Its very weird. My face looks different, yesterdays attempt was better that the first pic i put up, so i think its going to take a while to get right. I do need to go into town and get some eyeshadows really, this was just on a whim so im not properly organised ( story of my life) Do a with eyeliner and without eyeliner pic
i also dont think its about trying to look flawless, if anything its the opposite of that look. I am too lazy to look flawless. I have too many flaws to look flawless.
( hence the posh girl scruffy..... looking flawless would come under the heading ' posh girl posh')
I think I belong to the same tribe as toasted and theother
The none aspirational dressing of the 90s gave girls like me lots of freedom with a slice of rebellion (my parents hated my sensible boots).
I can't understand why anyone in their 20s would want to ape the Middletons...it's all a bit stepford wives & uttely boring. They dress like the 60 year old women I see having lunch in John Lewis.
If that's aspirational then I give up on the youth of today. Where's the idealism, where's the fight? I don't want sappy clones I want to see kids who help us older ones remember what's really important.
Anyway...sorry to go off on a tangent, I was just a little excited that there were others in the same boat
Back to the posh girl theme...for as many good examples of this there are many, many more bad examples. It's a bit mean but we refer to them as the 'fat Saskias'. Expensively dressed, great hair, overweight & prominant in any southern university town.
Glad this look is in as its my fav.
The only jeans I have are skinny, my fav style tops are oversized/ slouchy or a blousr but not fitted.
Hair is boob length but often is either up in messy bun or half up half down because im growing my fringe out and it's at an awkward length.
Big brown real leather bag (love love love) big sunnies and minimal jewellery. One bracelet/ long necklace.
Clean, flat shoes- don't need to be expensive as long as they're not scruffy.
Good shops- Zara, French Connection, Mango, All Saints and Reiss/ Toast.
super have you considered that the women in their 20s rebelled to not look like the
scruffy women who were in their 30s when they were young?
Love this thread. It's also about the whole French look too, non?
I remember as a teenager looking wistfully at girls from the local private school who wore scarves over their hair with bits poking out like it was totally unintentional and just flung on. I looked scruffy too but not in a good way ie not posh.
And now I often think it's about not wearing things that look 'new' or overly planned and matching. I got a fab Jack Wills Breton from Ebay that is great thick cotton but looks a bit faded - perfect, instant posh scruff credentials
I do wear the same simple delicate silver jewellery every day as I feel too try-hard in statement pieces. I do gravitate to simple dressing but my love of novelty lets me down sometimes I think. And I do have good long blonde hair but probably over-style it and should attempt a scruffy top-knot thing.
What's the verdict on 40bum? I think she always looks both posh and scruffy, but her look is a) more detailed and fussy and b) older than this I think...
"Keeping your face arranged in a calm expression" this is absolutely key IMO.
NEVER show emotion/interest/enthusiasm. Too much enthusiasm is extremely uncool, as is too much intelligence. Quiet intelligence is all right but too much puts the boys off. Sarcasm is right out. If you have Bitchy Resting Face, don't.
And remember, everything is lovely. Even when it isn't.
Haha yes me and DH do a Millie voice when watching Made in Chelsea. It involves speaking with as little facial movement as possible and no expression at all.
Try it: 'it's soo lovely to see you, we must do it again soon' and 'I'm so heartbroken/angry', how could she do that'
Oh well, I'll never look posh then! I have a hyper expressive face - my emotional state is never in doubt!
MrsHoarder, who says that we were scruffy by the time we were in our 30s?
Superstrength perhaps we need our own we do not want to look posh thread
i wont ever look posh. im not trying to be posh. Its just about a 'look' not trying to be something im not.
The eyeliner less face went down well today, several people told me i looked really fresh like ive been on holiday. But mostly, people are commenting on my hair, apparently it looks lighter and more bouncy and longer. Clearly its not. I dont see how less eyeliner has made my hair look different, but it appears it has.
Inmyshreddies - yep thats the look. My friend is going to cowles week and said its full of people with that look, hair up all odd, looking a total mess, but somehow not. I think its totally about things not looking overly planned or matching and a bit lived in. The ebay buy sounds fab
Sarcasm is out? and bitchy resting face too?
Yes. Your face should be a mask at all times. Anything else makes others uncomfortable, and isn't good manners. You may laugh. But no cackling.
I'm going to start channeling Millie and Betty from Mad Men. Zero expression [posh]
Breeding is all in the legs
if you aren't long enough from knee to ankle you simply aren't posh
I know someone who has this look.
She is a size 8-10, has wavy 'just got out of bed' hair, she glides rather than walks, her make up natural and clothes suit her waif like build. She always looks good, like she has no care in the world.
watchforthesnail I'm not having a go or being mean, and I'm sure you'll look lovely. I'm just interested in the politics of dress in a wider sense. Perhaps I'll find somewhere else to have that discussion.
ontheotherside This is exactly the conversation I wanted to have (but lacked the skill to introduce...) The thread on "giving oneself permission to look good" has been amazingly interesting......
Oh don't know why its sideways!
I'm loving this thread but how about some tips more us mature ladies (in my 40's) or have I left it too late to achieve this look?!
ilovewinter, no, course not
desperate - nice
i reverted back to eyeliner today as i was in a rush. pah. it takes longer to look scruffy than it does to look glam.
I love this look and I do try but not sure I can nail it!!
What shops sell the lovely slouchy, luxe looking tops? I never know where to look and am not very good at shopping....
Anyone link to a picture for this? I think our babysitter looks like this.
You could buy the whole look on ebay:
LK Bennett bags & costume jewellery
Pure Collection cashmere, they do good quality accessories
(also checkout their own website for sale)
7 for all mankind/Citizens of Humanity jeans
Boden/Joules/Jack Wills tweed jackets
As an alternative to good quality costume jewellery,you could pick up an antique or deco ring on ebay that will pass for family stuff.
TK Maxx is good for Osprey bags & purses, Moschino & Valentino silk scarves, also cashmere scarves & Ralph Lauren knitwear
If in doubt choose camel or brown.
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