can you recommend some face cleaning products? thanks! budget around £75

(71 Posts)
Renovatinghouse Sat 03-Aug-13 19:31:58

That's all really. I wear mosturizer and makeup from Lancome and Clinique. I have good skin and almost never clean my face other than with shower soap but recently i got some black spots, so i'd like to buy cleaning and toner (dont know if this is t,he right name).

I would prefer cleaning wipes rather than lotion. Are they good?

Many thanks!!

Neena28 Sat 03-Aug-13 19:56:50

Noooooooooooo to wipes!!! Awful awful things.

Great cleansers...

Emma Hardie moringa balm
Rodial glamtox
Ren (any depending on skin but clear calm is ace)
Boots botanics and Clinique take the day off balm very good but I haven't tried either.

Most importantly...massage onto dry (dirty, make up including waterproof eye, sunscreen, oily) face well and take off with a CLEAN hand hot flannel. Keep flannel rinsed in running water and keep wiping til clean. Repeat twice (yes it sound like a ballache, it isn't, and will give super results)

Then...

Clarins exfoliating toner, amazing amazing stuff honestly.

You will see definite results within about a week/ten days.

After a month or so you'll think ah this is a faff its not worth it. Within a week your skin will look duller and you will go back to the above method.

(In the time it's taken to write this 4 other people will have replied with variations of the same, betcha!!)

Neena28 Sat 03-Aug-13 19:59:32

Rodial glamtox is a bargain at the moment on qvc 100ml for about 25 including postage I think.

Clarins is on gift with purchase at debenhams. So buy two and get a freebie of bits. £25 each (it does last longer than you'd expect)

So dead on £75 for the rodial and 2 clarins and a freebie!!!

Renovatinghouse Sat 03-Aug-13 20:04:08

thanks Neena!! where can I get the Emma Hardie, Rodial or Ren? and sorry for sounding stupid, but where do I buy a hand hot flannel? is that like a hand towel? i am going to John Lewis tomorrow and will look there fir the things you recommend.

I am very lazy but I see that my face needs some love and time : )

goodasitgets Sat 03-Aug-13 20:06:11

Second the Emma hardie one
The boots botanics cleansing balm I have tried and its lovely
The only thing I can add is double cleansing makes my skin great. I use a micellar water to remove eye makeup and foundation, then I can work the cleansing balm into my skin so it gets to my skin and not the makeup. Again I second the flannel wrung out in hand hot water smile

Renovatinghouse Sat 03-Aug-13 20:08:41

thank you Good! will definitely try the hot flannel

Neena28 Sat 03-Aug-13 20:09:20

Off the top of my head space nk stock all as do qvc (and they offer a 30 day no questions money back guarantee so are very popular for skincare as you can return if you've used but don't like)

Ren is stocked by John Lewis (larger ones anyway)

For flannels, i buy from primark to be honest. A pack of five is £2 and I use a clean one everyday and wash them in a hot wash towel load. I do wear a fair bit of make up and therefore they get grotty after a while but I recycle them as kitchen clothes and dusters and buy more. A flannel is a hand sized cloth made from towelling, flat that you just wet and wipe away the cleanser with.

Neena28 Sat 03-Aug-13 20:12:52

The Clinique take the day off balm cleanser is a good one to try I'm told and it will be available at John Lewis but I do think emma Hardie or the rodial are worth ordering. Qvc and space nk (qvc always cheaper ime) deliver within 3 or so days.

This will make a massive difference to your skin I'd imagine. Would love to see it. Think you'll be impressed that it feels smoother too as will take off the top dead skin cells.

One thing to think about tho is you may need to adjust the amount of moisturiser you use. It won't need to penetrate the dead skin so your usual amount may feel too much.

Missbopeep Sat 03-Aug-13 20:19:16

I've used the expensive sort- detailed above- and the cheapest.
In all honesty I can't see much difference.
I've used REN @ £18 a go, and Boots own 'cucumber' ( and others in the range) for £1.20.
They all remove make up and leave your skin clean.

I've used L'Oreal for a while- Age Perfect- and now changed to their micellular water /cleanser which removes eye make up as well- it's around £5.

The trick is to remove all cleanser- I use warm water- and a gentle exfoliator now and then.

Allthingspretty Sat 03-Aug-13 20:19:54

Eve Lom. cleanser

Missbopeep Sat 03-Aug-13 20:23:13

only if you have money to pour down the drain. I mean- why would you? £40? It doesn't work any better than any others imo.

Neena28 Sat 03-Aug-13 20:29:54

I do agree it seems a lot of money but I have definitely seen better results from the ones I've listed. I am 31 and have in some ways abused my skin in the past and am now fastidious about it. My skin looks much better now than it did in my twenties and even teens. Honestly.

Eve lom also good but for some reason I preferred the morning time cleanser version rather than the original. I had had three tubes of that before the Emma Hardie and ren clear calm combo I am now using and wouldn't go back now.

I suppose this is why I am so pro-qvc, if it doesn't suit or doesn't live up to another cleanser (or whatever) I do return them within the 30 days. So yes I do spend on my skin but only on what I genuinely think gives me results.

I spend on the things I wear most often...my skin and hair. I can save on the other stuff that only gets worn once a week or so!!

Allthingspretty Sat 03-Aug-13 20:34:47

I didnt like the morning version of the EL cleanser. I use the EL as a treat and use LE cleanser everday.

valiumredhead Sat 03-Aug-13 20:37:06

No to wipes !

Liz Earle cleanse and polish.

KosherBacon Sat 03-Aug-13 20:43:15

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Neena28 Sat 03-Aug-13 20:43:52

That's interesting allthings. What kind of skin do you have? If you don't mind me asking?

I have never got on with liz Earle. They definitely use something in c and p that I don't tolerate and usually I'm not that sensitive. Strange eh?! Love their body products tho

Allthingspretty Sat 03-Aug-13 20:46:03

Nee its hard to say what kind of skin type I have for various reasons however for me the morning stuff just didnt feel the same

scottishmummy Sat 03-Aug-13 20:50:15

IMO,not wipes.if you like cloth try liz Earle cleanse with cloth
Toner,try samples depends if your skin can tolerate alcohol
Good toners are Clarins,Clinique.
Good cleansers are take if day balm,Clinique. Lancôme cleansing milk

Renovatinghouse Sat 03-Aug-13 20:55:28

Thank you, very good suggestions!

Renovatinghouse Sat 03-Aug-13 20:56:41

but what is the toner for? is it necessary to avoid black spots in the nose?

Fairyloo Sat 03-Aug-13 20:59:37

Liz earle over And over again

You won't regret it

scottishmummy Sat 03-Aug-13 21:01:56

Toner is deeper cleansing,and astringent to reduce pore size,minimise breakouts

Missbopeep Sat 03-Aug-13 21:02:39

hate hate LE! sorry- hate the smell and hate the thick texture which drags your skin when you apply and remove. Horrid and over rated IMHO,

InMyShreddies Sat 03-Aug-13 21:04:31

See I'm in a minority on here as I don't like using flannels - I find them too harsh on my skin as I get little thread veins around my nose. Think the combo of heat and scrubbing isn't good for my skin. I know you're meant to use a light muslin cloth and scrub gently, one little area in circular motions or some such, but meh I never got the hang of it or my skin didn't like it.

An alternative would be my fave Shu Uemura cleansing oil, double cleanse with that - it's one you massage into dry dirty skin and rinse off. I just splash off using warm running water and something to do with the way the oil emulsifies with the water means my skin is lovely and clean and super soft. Follow with Shu Uemura moisturising lotion which is actually an exfoliating toner which also has hyaluronic acid to plump the skin. These two products used morning and night transformed my skin. Can't afford them atm but if I had ££ I would buy them again in a heartbeat. For day I followed with a No7 moisturiser - the Beautiful Skin one for very dry skin, and at night Neal's Yard Rose Facial oil, which combined with the lotion was just lovely. I miss those products with an emotional pull hmm sad

scottishmummy Sat 03-Aug-13 21:05:00

Before you shell out,try samples.trawl round the beauty counters
Good brands are Clinique,Clarins,Lancôme,Ren
Get samples see what works before you commit

Missbopeep Sat 03-Aug-13 21:05:30

Toner is for nothing except making money for the companies.

I've researched this and read loads of info by consultant dermos who say this.

No product can 'shrink pores' that's bollockssmile Using something with alcohol in it makes your skin tight temporarily giving the appearance of smaller pores but long tern it will dry out your skin.

Black heads are sebum- grease in blocked pores. You can remove them by steaming your face and very gently squeezing ( very gently) or by using gentle facial scrubs.

scottishmummy Sat 03-Aug-13 21:06:02

I love Clinique 3step,they'll give you samples if you ask

Missbopeep Sat 03-Aug-13 21:08:07

Have a read- 2nd paragraph down ' what the experts say'

beauty.about.com/od/toner/f/tonernecessary.htm

scottishmummy Sat 03-Aug-13 21:09:39

I don't think anyone has claimed toner shrink pores,it's an astringent
For me Clinique toner does work well,isn't harsh.get them to advise which one
Of course cosmetics and skin care big up likely results,that's how they shift the stuff.multimillion pound business

Missbopeep Sat 03-Aug-13 21:14:04

You wrote this a few minutes ago

Toner is deeper cleansing,and astringent to reduce pore size ,minimise breakouts

scottishmummy Sat 03-Aug-13 21:17:06

Reduce the appearance of temporarily,yes
Shrink,no.shrink implies a permanence
Beauty is a ritual I'm do use toner,habit and IMO it works

scottishmummy Sat 03-Aug-13 21:20:05

I wholeheartedly admit I'm fall for most marketing blurb
Even though I know realistically,scientifically the claims are still hyped
I still buy new pricy shampoos,creams,largely to be disappointed.silly I know

FoxyHarlow123 Sat 03-Aug-13 21:21:21

La Roche posay and a dermaflannel. Did u not see the recent thread about the dermaflannel?

scottishmummy Sat 03-Aug-13 21:22:53

What's a dermoflannel?

Renovatinghouse Sat 03-Aug-13 21:29:30

Have you tried the dermaflannel? does it work?

Scottish, I am the same, will always buy pricy cosmetics but my problem is that I dont have the discipline to use them and they languish in my cabinet. But at late 30s I noticed that my skin really needs now some consistent care.

scottishmummy Sat 03-Aug-13 21:31:52

At least now I ask for samples,worst I used was hope in jar,nasty smell
Visit counters get samples,see what works for you
But I know I'm gullible

InMyShreddies Sat 03-Aug-13 21:52:13

Modern toners have active ingredients though like alpha or beta hydroxy acids which exfoliate gently in a chemical way (which I prefer to grainy scrubs) or hyaluronic acid (which is made up of wee cell things that hold something like 100000 times their weight in water) which cosmetically and temporarily plump the skin and make it look and feel fresh and hydrated. So they can be a beneficial extra step prior to moisturising with a comfortable cream.

Alcohol in toners is bad for skin - I actually had a postnatal meltdown in Selfridges as it was the first time I'd left my baby for any length of time, wanted to splurge on lovely products and had researched exfoliating toners - went to the Clinique counter and they spent ages selling me their crappy 3-step system, in which the toner is basically just alcohol. The girl at Shu Uemura explained that my skin would benefit from her fancy schmancy toner instead and having already bought the Clinique stuff, I burst into tears blush she was a bit baffled but helped me swop for her stuff. I've stuck with it but buy online now in case she remembers me and thinks I'm bonkers Since then loads of people have said to avoid Clinique toners as they are all (apart from one iirc) v alcoholic wine

Missbopeep Sat 03-Aug-13 21:56:31

There are loads of moisturisers that contain hyaluronic acid.

scottishmummy Sat 03-Aug-13 22:00:33

No,not all Clinique toners have alcohol there are alcohol free toners
Clinique mild toner no alcohol

It's a good idea to look at the beautymouth blog if you haven't already OP. She has a cheat sheet on skin routines I think, listed on the right hand side of her blog.

I use Liz Earle C&P, though I hate that she's been bought out (by L'Oreal? A big brand anyway.) I haven't noticed a difference yet, but it would surprise me if some corner cutting or economising hasn't taken place. I still love it for now though.

scottishmummy Sat 03-Aug-13 22:10:29

Jo Malone owned by Estée Lauder.im not bothered when they sell to multinational
If they get a big pay off good luck to them.im not bothered if its an individual or multinational
If I like the product and Doesnt change I buy.the big brands acquire the niche brands like bobbi brown, origins

valiumredhead Sat 03-Aug-13 22:17:56

Liz Earle was bought out by Avon.

Renovatinghouse Sat 03-Aug-13 22:36:51

Thanks for all the advice! will check the beautymouth blog.

Avon? Do they sell it through their catalogues now? I could save on p&p.

This isn't the best comparison, but remember when Kraft took Cadbury's over and said the recipe wouldn't change, but now to anyone with tastebuds Cadbury's tastes like it's made with rancid cooking oil? That's what worries me about LE, especially because it's harder to tell when beauty products have been altered.

SarahJayne321 Sat 03-Aug-13 22:42:51

Liz Earle all the way, especially the toner and moisturiser.

As far as I know they were bought in 2010 by avon and nothing has changed yet!

SorrelForbes Sat 03-Aug-13 22:45:59

I use the Jan Marini cleanser (along with other products in their range) and my skin has never been better.

MrsMcGregor Sat 03-Aug-13 22:49:21

Neena28 flowers. A couple pf weeks back I started a thread asking for toner recommendations..You recommended the Clarins Exfoliating Toner and linked to Caroline Hiron's blog. I did hesitate before buying the toner and was surprised it's such a small bottle but .... three nights of double cleansing (Lancôme Cream cleanser followed by Liz Earle C&P), followed by the Clarins Ex Toner, then a sample of a serum I got from Space NK and finally Lancôme Night Cream - and my skin looks soooo much better. No longer dull and yes, even the pores around my nose are less prominent. So thank you!

OP - yes, yes, yes to the double cleanse method. Can't really recommend products as the only new product I have purchased is the Clarins Exfoliating Toner (and it's really impressive this far) but will watch thread with interest.

noviceoftheday Sat 03-Aug-13 22:51:19

I use a mixture. Liz Earle 4 times a week and at night but use each of the following once a week: kiehls pineapple and papaya facial scrub, kiehls ultra (moisturising?) facial cleanser and body shop oat and honey face mask.

MrsMcGregor Sat 03-Aug-13 22:52:29

Oh, and my make-up is lasting most of the day (though in the morning I just wash with water, tone with Liz E and moisturise before make-up.

Renovatinghouse Sat 03-Aug-13 22:56:17

wow, great blog. Thanks for the recommendation!

scottishmummy Sat 03-Aug-13 22:58:12

Yes it's a fab blog,I'm new to it but loved it

lurkingaround Sat 03-Aug-13 23:04:51

This is probably not the advice you're looking for but I'm with Missbopeep. I've also spent a foolish fair fortune on the expensive and cheap and really can't see the difference. As long as it removes your make-up and cleans. A glycolic facial or some such exfoliating facial every so often is probably a lot more beneficial.
And toners. hmm Fancy water or alcohol is all they are. Save your money. Remove your cleanser will warm water and a clean facecloth/muslin.
Eat well, limit alcohol, don't smoke, use sunscreen.

scottishmummy Sat 03-Aug-13 23:15:01

It's not that simple
.ive tried all the boots,superdrug,etc they weren't as good
Believe me if no7 was as good as Lancôme I'd buy it
Sometimes you get what you pay fir,not aways mind.ive made doozey mistakes too

Renovatinghouse Sat 03-Aug-13 23:17:27

Thanks Lurking. I don't smoke or drink alcohol, but I eat too much (terribly overweight after baby) and don't use sunscreen as my skin is not fair. I come from the tropic : )

Cleanse and Polish for removing make-up.

In the shower I use Philosophy Microdelivery Wash (slightly gritty, salt I think)
or Elemis Cleansing Balm or Tri Enzyme Wash.
Gatineau Eye Make-Up remover (Floracil I think) but I don't like other Datineau skin care.

Today I bought the Superdrug cloth Cleanser (similar to Liz Earle) to take on holiday.

I'm 47 yo my skin is 'normal' and fairly well behaved.

I have to agree, my basic skincare just wasn't doing it anymore, not since I passed 35.

Trying Lancome Genefique serum was almost a religious experience for me because my skin really did improve. But cheap home-made skincare recipes can be great too.

GW297 Sat 03-Aug-13 23:31:37

Another one recommending Liz Earle Cleanse and Polish,

MultumInParvo Sat 03-Aug-13 23:32:22

I like decleor wash off cleanser in the shower and clarins one step in the morning.

Also use decleor oil cleanser too, though more in the winter.

Damn qvc.

Renovatinghouse Sat 03-Aug-13 23:34:16

I also used the Lancôme Genefique (after the lady in the Lancome counter convinced me) and loved it. Need to buy it again. Now I have a double serum from Clarins that it's a bit too oily for me.

Renovatinghouse Sat 03-Aug-13 23:36:10

what's qvc? I need to find out!

Renovating Have you tried Visionnaire? They gave me a sample pot to try and I may like it even more than Genefique. Sadly I am too strapped for £75 serums lately, but it's on my wishlist.

QVC the shopping channel, can be very addictive... www.qvcuk.com/?cookie=set

rockybalboa Sat 03-Aug-13 23:59:15

Liz Earle hot cloth cleanser. They sell it in John Lewis. Tis lovely, like giving yourself a facial every day!

Neena28 Sun 04-Aug-13 00:34:41

Mrsmcgregor...I'm thrilled!!! I have used it for a good while now and as I said up thread and I think probably when I recommended it, it's one of Those products you get a fab result from, then slip from using, then think eurgh why do I look so dull and start again with.

A few things I'd like to add in relation to more recent posts... I make no claims that I think toner reduces pore size however it can have an exfoliating action (depending on the toners ingredients) and I think that this exfoliation and removal of the dead skin around the pores, reduces the size of the visible crater. Think of a volcano (yes it's dramatic but I can't think of another analogy), if the crater (caldera?!) is surrounding by ash and debris it becomes more dramatic looking, clear all that away and it seems slightly less cavernous. I have long suspected this is the case with how visible some people's pores are.

I have tried the dermaflannel...it doesn't suit me, other love it. The same with cleanse and polish. I believe that liz earles c and p did have an ingredient removed when the company was sold to Avon, maybe it was removed before that? I understood it to be a derivative of something (like a nut) that would possibly cause an allergic reaction. I know of a few people who haven't got on with it terribly well and I would describe their and my response as mildly allergic/reactive. Maybe this loss of ingredient has changed that?

I recommended qvc purely because as per posters up thread recommending samples, it is best practise to use something for a while to know whether it suits and whether it works for you. There aren't many brands that actually provide samples big enough to try for enough time to give a product a fair chance. Some brands are obviously better than others but qvc's policy does mean you can use something for a good fortnight and then decide with proper knowledge for you personally. A sachet or 15 ml sample is unlikely to give you that result.

Again some people love Clinique. I adore some of their products, other I actively hate. I have heard reliably that there step 2 toner is a very good substance for wiping down counters and removing stubborn grime. That is not something I wish to use on my skin. However some people feel they get excellent results and that's all anyone wants.

I actually use quite specific moisturisers and treatments. However I haven't used a granular scrub for a few years and feel my skin is better for it. Other products I also rate are elemis papaya enzyme peel and RENs glycolactic radiance mask for extra exfoliation. I use a tiny amount of astalift jelly aquarysta after the clarins toner, followed by a small amount of algenist multi perfecting pore corrector gel moisturiser. My skin suits this combo and it was a long process of trial and error for me.

I have tried hyraluron and didn't like it as much as the astalift so haven't bought it again. (A Caroline Hirons holy grail product)

Skin to me is mega important. I am very busy and occasionally stressed and my routine honestly only takes a few minutes...certainly less time than I spend on anything else I do daily, such as chores, work, kids homework aid and question answerer extraordinaire...out of those things I shall be left with my children and my skin!!!

dexter73 Sun 04-Aug-13 08:30:02

Liz Earle is sold in Boots now too. I don't get on with it at all. I prefer the Boots Botanics range. I use the cleanser and toner and they are about £4 a bottle.

ComtesseDeFrouFrou Sun 04-Aug-13 08:39:31

I really like the No 7 hot cloth cleanser - it's really creamy and smells nicer than some of the other cleansers I've tried.

I used to find the hot cloth method a faff but I really like it now as part of my bedtime routine - I find it quite calming at the end of the day. And my skin has been really good - pregnancy aside. My skin is dehydrated and I notice if I have been lax with the cleansing.

TigerseyeMum Sun 04-Aug-13 10:39:21

For blackheads I'd recommend Dermalogica Dermal Clay Cleanser. It has menthol in it so it tingles, but it's like having a facial - I use it a couple of times a week and it helps clear my skin and helps it look fresher.

I also use No7 hot cloth cleanser for day to day as its gentle and cheap (get the £5 voucher).

To take off makeup I use Dermalogica Precleanse which is an oil cleansing method and is amazing.

Renovatinghouse Sun 04-Aug-13 16:16:27

Thank you all. I bought the Clarins Pure Melt Cleansing Gel (with marula oil) and the Clarins Gentle Exfoliator Brightening toner with tamarind and white nettle. There was a promotion in John Lewis so I got as gift three 30 ml bottles of eye makeup remover, extra firming night cream and the day illuminating cream.

And I got the muslin cloths from Liz Earle because they came in a very pretty package and were just there : )

Thanks for all the good advice and suggestions!

Neena28 Sun 04-Aug-13 18:00:00

Brilliant...be good to have an update to see what you think of them all.

Renovatinghouse Sun 04-Aug-13 20:24:07

Sure! will report back in a week. : )

PlumSykes Sun 04-Aug-13 20:34:41

I love the Eve Lom cleanser, have tried lots, but always come back to that. Have a look at this Sali Hughes piece for the Guardian on Hot Cloth Cleansing-there's a video to go with it too.

[[http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/mar/26/hot-cloth-cleansing-beauty ]]

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