How much on average do you spend on your everyday handbags?(303 Posts)
I tend to buy non leather handbags for £30-£40. Now in my late 30's I would rather invest in leather bags that look better and last longer.
I have a friend who only wears designer bags and they always look so classy. She has at least 15 though.
I wouldn't spend more than £65. You can get nice leather ones in TK Maxx for less than £50. And the Clarks and Jones sales sometimes have the odd thing too.
Must admit that I am not a bag person though (bag lady, maybe).
Nothing, I don't own a handbag!
I have some designer bags. I tend to have a Mulberry as my everyday bag (Black for winter and a pale neutral for summer) then other bags, either designer or TKMaxx for other occasions, particular outfits, etc.
What you have to remember though is a bag like Mulberry will last for ages longer than a cheaper bag as they are classic and hardwearing. I bought a Fiorelli bag last year, gorgeous bag but unuseable this year as the lining has disintegrated whereas my Mulberry purse is used every day and is still perfect after 10 years
I spend about £40 on average, but I only really buy vintage bags, usually not designer so they range from about £15-£70.
My bag cost £15. I think this is very low and I am not stylish.
I know someone who walks round with a £600 bag most of the time.
Depends how much you like bags and how much money you have!
I very rarely
never have even £100 to spend on a bag which is why I always opted for cheap ones. I suppose I could save up and buy a classic bag- one for winter and one for summer.
I appreciate expensive things far more than when I was in my 20's. Back then I just went for high st fashion.
I just struggle to spend on myself unless I truly need something. Which is just as well as my budget is small.
I use a distressed look leather satchel from Scaramanga. It was recommended by a mumsnetter and I love it. I think it was around £60. I have a tan leather bag fron Zara on the go too again around £60.
Maybe price is not the way to look at it though? It's what you like ( and can afford.)
There are plenty of bags around ( leather) in the £35- £80 range (Clarks, Dune, John Lewis own brand) and plenty in the £800+ range too!
I've never spent more than £100 ish ( when I reached my 40s) until recently when I've bought 2 Radleys for £170 each.
I could afford a Mulberry but can't see the point in spending that on a bag as the quality is not that different although I admit to liking their styles.
If I was going to spend nearly £1K on an 'accessory' I'd buy jewellery, so my limit is really £150-£200 and ideally the lower end.
I don't tend to spend more than £150, and I only buy leather. I do have young children and my handbags all take quite a beating: dragged around by toddlers, hanging off a pram etc. I have about 15 and actually really like them all. When the children are older and, hopefully, leave my things alone, I'll probably spend a bit more eg Anya Hindmarch Gracie when on sale. I must say that my "affordable" handbags are all (except for the Reiss one) wearing well, so I don't think I will need to spend more just to get a hard wearing hand bag.
$60 (roughly £30) probably.
Could treat myself to a swanky one, but would rather go on holiday
I always buy good quality leather bags as I will wear only one til it starts to look raggedy so I can easily get 5 years from a bag. Tk maxx is great so is Lakeland leather if there is one near you and boundary mills
I'm currently sporting a brown butter soft rowallan satchel that was £75 but I got it for £20 in a factory shop.
I have loads of Mulberry bags, and they are terrible quality.
I bought a Mulberry bag about 10 years ago, and that's been okay (was replaced after around a year, then lost screws), but most of the new ones have been absolutely awful.
I had one where the inking got sticky and ruined a couple of tops (tops and bag couldn't be repaired), have several where the metal gets worn and changes colour (and that goes for both the silvery and golden metal bits), leather wears through to the wire underneath within short time and the leather just being so sensitive to staining, marks and scratches.
It's absolute terrible, especially for a brand with such expensive bags. You'd expect that you can actually use the bags more than once before they start looking worn.
I used to buy the Mulberry bags thinking they'd last 10 years or so - but they last a couple of seasons, then look worn and old. I do actually take very good care of my bags, but it seems that that's not good enough for Mulberry bags...
Mulberry simply isn't worth it. They used to be, but not anymore.
I spend what I feel I want to spend - so I'm happy buying a cheaper bag if I like it, and happy to buy an expensive bag if I like it. I'm currently using a Mary Katrantzou for Longchamp nylon bag most of the time.
I usually have a Mulberry for everyday (Anthony style). I recently bought a 'cheap' Peony and Moore for approx £100. The quality is just dreadful (glue coming away and so much wear), yet they were compared favourably to Mulberry on MN. Unless mine is a rogue bag.
I'm wondering if it's possible to get good quality, long lasting, bag cheaply? I've only had the Peony for a few months
I have a nice dark turpquoise handbag that I got from TK Maxx for £30 which I love. That is me splashing out!
I took out a "handbag" (more like a square clutch but with a bamboo handle - hard to describe) this morning that I got free in a magazine about 9 years ago.
I'm definitely more high street than high end and it's a good job as I'm skint!
I find that Aunts & Uncles are very good for the price.
My Hobbs bag (£60-ish in the sale) is into its third year now and still going strong, having been used almost every day.
£50 - £120 usually. I only usually buy leather bags as non leather ones tend to break/get damaged to quickly.
My bag at the moment is a MBMJ bag that I wanted for 2 years. It was £385. I love it, it's the perfect size and shape for me.
£100-£200 on decent leather bags, always in the sales so the original price was much higher.
Usually £30 to £40 in sales and leather. I've got a couple of Boden satchel style very reduced which I generally use for everyday.
I usually look at about £100 bags which I would hope to get 70% off. I don't think I have ever paid full price for a bag, I would also buy from TK Maxx as they are in my price range.
My first bag where I spent some money was from Liberty and half price. Felt very lucky that day. Think I paid £200.
And now have one at around £500, don't think it goes on sale. Felt like quite a lot but had been working extra days and thought I'll do this extra work and I can get it.
I have some lovely bags from charity shops, TKMaxx, dress agencies and bought new. Everything from baskets/woven bags through to some very expensive Mulberrys/Bottega etc... Some of my favourite favourite ones have been the charity shop 'finds'.
Buy what you love and can afford. Personally, I tend to shy away from Mulberry now. Post Roger Saul it's now all very expensive with metal 'Mulberry' hardware/labelling.
I'm currently using my £4 Oxfam woven basket with bamboo handles. I think it's very summer chic.
I don't have many bags at all. About 5 and one was cheap as chips, to match a dress I don't wear often. I have 4 bags I use fairly often depending on what I'm doing- a Longchamp Pliage, an across the body, a shoulder slouchy type bag and a grab bag.
I love designer handbags, but I'm far too poor to save for one and even if I had the money I'd probably rip it or spill something on it within days of buying! So I just buy cheapy bags, normally no more than £40 but mainly around the £20 mark.
I love handbags,and my current everyday bags cost around £ 1100,I don't own many bags,but I do go for good quality ones as they do last longer .
I look out for bargains. I've just bought two Modalu Pippa bags, both for under £100 each. A small toffee one and a larger blue one. Both new from Bargaincrazy. Sold out now though.
I have an Osprey Berlin for work/everyday £145, bday present +2yrs ago. For weekend/going out I've 3leather bags (M&S even older).
Same as you I'd spend more rather than 'buy cheaply-buy twice'.
My MIL buys a bag with every outfit
I was going to buy another Mulberry, a small bayswater (with the across the body strap) but three people I see regularly have one and it's put me off somehow.
Tk maxx website is your friend.
40 leather bag for 15 and 65 leather purse for 11 quid
I would say £40-£70. I have four or five leather bags that I swap around regularly, depending on the season, or what I'm wearing.
I'm shocked by all the comments about poor quality Mulberry. At least if my £40 handbag starts to look a little rough around the edges after a couple of years it's no huge loss. And I don't understand why, in this country, anyone would have a handbag that is ruined by a bit of rain!
For everyday, I tend to use something from Boden (v good quality leather imo). This is because I still have small children, and tote crayons, juices, sweets, snacks, wipes, all sorts of LEAKY things about with me.
When I go out sans dc, i use a Mulberry or Chloe, but i take everything out, wrap them in their covers, and put them away as soon as i get home.
Mines an Italian leather bag from a brand I've never heard of. It cost about£100 but looks new 5 years later. Got it in a department store so I assume its a decent brand
I switch between a few mulberries, an Alexander Wang and a Michael Kors for day to day (lugging my laptop to work etc). On days with the kids I tend to carry smaller bags. I have only one low cost bag - a Zatchel saddle bag that was £30. The most I've spent was £750, but I'm currently saving for a four figure number.
I don't own a handbag currently. Only a baby changing bag.
I wouldn't spend more than 12 pounds though.
Between £10 and £50. Always leather, always new and normally in a very good sale.
After years of cheapos, I've gone Mulberry, Miu Miu, Jaeger, Coach and Alison van der Velde.
I knock hell out of my bags and quality is the only way I don't look like a homeless.
But I've got them all in the sales, and I got the Mulberry for a fiver in a chazza.
Out of interest, if anyone pays around £1K for a bag, what does that mean to you? Is it the label, the status, the design, or what?
If you have to save for it, rather than it being small change, would you not rather have something else more meaningful- eg an 'experience', a holiday?
I have stuck to the £100-200 mark so far. I have a few Coccinelle and Francesco Biasia which have lasted for years and are very durable and well made with good quality leather. I also have a couple from Via Repubblica (sold in Russell and Bromley) that I have had for years and look new. If I really wanted to I could get a designer bag (I would choose a chloe paraty!) but I just don't have the sort of life where I could use it without feeling conspicuous or showy.
Missbopeep - I wonder that too. It seems such a lot of money.
for work zara bags (big enough for lunch etc) that cost about £20 but for general handbag i usually spend about £50 and buy them from TK Maxx, my latest one is a really nice black leather gery weber bag that retailed for £99!
It IS a lot of money considering what else you could buy- like 'starter' cars for the DCs which we've done!
Don't get me wrong- I'm not badly off and could go out tomorrow and buy rather a lot of very expensive bags- but I won't because to me it seems a rip off and you're paying for the name once you exclude the cost of the leather and making a quality product.
I don't have any issue with people who do, but I just wonder what the attraction is.
I only have one good quality leather handbag. Cost £2 or thereabouts from a charity shop. Was like new and I hope to get many years wear from it.
If I were buying a leather bag I'd hope to pay less than £80, probably in TK Maxx. £800 handbags do look very beautiful but they will never be a reality for me - even if I had that sort of money to spend on myself, I couldn't bear to spend it on a handbag.
I've only ever paid a few hundred (lower end Mulberry) but it's for the quality, combined with simplicity of style. I haven't found anything cheaper of the same, or even close, quality.
missbopep,my bags are very meaningful to mei have a chloe and a celine,and they cost over 1k each,i spend within my means,im attracted to the design of the bag,not the status,
My current 'handbag' is an over the body canvas one from the local market, about £15. I'm never going to fit in here, am I?!
It's a blue base with flowers on, pretty and I like it.
Missbopeep, I like the design of the bags I buy. The quality (despite being disappointed in Mulberry, which I am no longer buying due to this) and longevity are also important.
I have a friend who used to buy a new cheap bag every month or so. I bought one bag and used it for years. The price per time used was lower for me than for her (and I ended up spending less on my one bag than she did on her many bags) - and I had something I really loved, while she had something she was happy to replace often.
For me, it's all about priorities and interests - you might prefer a holiday, I don't. I don't like having to justify that, as it's a personal preference.
I get that people don't understand why I'd spend a smaller fortune on a bag, but at the same time, I don't understand why people ask. I don't go around asking people why they've spent that amount money on that holiday they've booked or why they didn't buy a cheaper car, or instead get a bus pass and spend the rest on something meaningful
It was the OP who asked how much people spent on a bag.
No one asked you to justify your spending- you've done it voluntarily.
TBH I don't think the 'buy expensive lasts longer' is true. To a certain extent perhaps, at the extreme end of cheapness. eg a bag for £20.
I buy a new bag usually when the ones I'm using wear out. They all last for at least 2 years before looking remotely shabby. I've never actually found any link between reasonable quality for under £100 and longevity, and 10x that and longevity- seeing friends' bags costing that.
I think what I am trying to get at is not people justifying their spending, but why bags cost £1K. compared to a 2nd hand car, a washing machine or a sofa, it's not the workmanship or materials that are costing that- it is the name.
vibbe i agree,as for experiences,going to the boutique trying on different bags and buying the bag is the most amazing experience imo .
My last bag lasted about 8 years and cost £6 from Matalan. Well, actually it didn't cost anything because I bought a pile of stuff and they accidentally didn't charge me for it. To be fair it needed replacing for about a year before I found a replacement.
My current bag is from a charity shop (brand new, fake leather, rucksack style) cost me £10. I've had it over a year, use it every day and it is showing no signs of wear at all.
I think the whole "designer" handbag thing is a con-trick played on us by the fashion industry. FGS all bags are designed, they don't just spring fully formed out of the earth.
For me it's the design, the quality and a little bit the status. Money talks in my DH's and my industry - status bags are indicative of your success which inspires confidence in clients.
As for the money, well, we have plenty of holidays, own our home, car etc, our toddler children have healthy savings accounts etc so we're at a point where I can spend whatever on bags and DH on bespoke suits (and he definitely spends more) and hell, we work hard for it, so why not?
Conversely, I spent next to nothing on my wedding day and my dress was off the peg from Coast, because I cannot get excited about anything that will be useful for just one day. We all have different priorities, and I don't judge anyone for theirs (unless it's crack, in which case I do judge).
I spend between £50-100 for a reasonable quality handbag.
If someone were to offer me a spare of the exact same bag I have at the moment, I'd happily pay £50 for it, and keep it in the cupboard until this one falls apart.
I couldn't justify £1000 on a bag. I just couldn't bring myself to spend that much. I have a Coach bag from the outlet shop, which cost around £150 and a Delvaux bag, which was a present and cost considerably more (it cost me £200 to have the thing "renovated"). I have a huge and fabulous turquoise leather one which I bought in NY about 8 years ago for $60 and it just keeps going.
Now I just couldn't spend a lot (ie over £50) on a bag, because until you've used it, you never know if it's right. I don't judge on looks but on how practical it is.
Also, I quite like being able to buy a new bag every couple of years, which I couldn't if I'd spent a lot of money on one.
For me it's the design, the quality and a little bit the status. Money talks in my DH's and my industry - status bags are indicative of your success which inspires confidence in clients.
Thank god my 'industry' is not so shallow as that and the clients aren't so gullible.
I agree Missbopeep. I'm in Paris, and no-one here would know what a Mulberry bag is. If you felt the need to keep up with the Duponts, it would have to be Hermes, Chanel or Louis Vuitton.
Not entirely sure of the need for inverted commas, industry is a perfectly appropriate term.
And sneer as you will, it keeps us in a very nice lifestyle and continues to remain a growth 'industry' in spite of the current climate.
I really don't understand why things need to get so snipey and personal on here sometimes, it's immensely tedious.
I'd like one of those Hermes Kelly bags for everyday, but they're a little out of my comfort zone as regards price (which I think is in the thousands).
Amber - I always find it a bit strange to reconcile my own very Northern idea of what is, 'appropriate' to spend on something, with people on here who I know to be extremely sensible and clever and likeable and so on, but who have an absolute polar opposite opinion to me on such things.
I KNOW that you are not shallow, or silly, or any of the things I'd generally equate to my idea of people who'd spend massive sums on something I deem to be so unimportant - so it always throws me a bit to see you talking about such spending as if it's normal (which, of course, it is to you).
I'm meandering - what I'm trying to say is that I'm not wanting to be snipey or personal at all, because I 'know' you're not that person my upbringing/nature tells me that people who buy expensive handbags are - but that it confuses me!
That probably didn't make any sense at all.
TK Maxx every time here for bags.
Last year I bought a lovely Osprey one for £55 which should have been £150 and a Paul Costello one for £60 which should have been £195 - this one was current season and was being sold in John Lewis.
I have to say, I have a few bags and they have all lasted me a very long time. My Bally suede black leather bag I have had for 8 years, I have a Burberry beige leather for 5, my cream Prada leather tote I have had for over 2 years (bought as a nice alternative to nappy bag- how naive was I?!) lol
They are all in pretty good condition and I enjoy carrying them around because they go with everything although after 8 years (and a drunken wine spillage incident) the suede is looking a little worse for wear so I have my eye on the navy mulberry Alexa bag ... Mmm bags and shoes... My weakness.
Amber- the inverted commas referred to my 'industry' if you read carefully- not yours.
It's not a personal snipe at you- it's aimed at the whole 'labels impress' culture as a sign of wealth and status. I've nothing against capitalism or your success- far from it.
The point was that women ( and men) are constantly ripped off by the fashion industry who think that by putting a crazy price tag on something it makes it worth aspiring to own - gives the owner 'status' and a sign of success. It really is bollocks. It's exactly the same idea that kids have to have designer trainers to be accepted by their peers, except this time we are talking women and bags ( or shoes, or whatever.)
I don't have an average. i have bought 3 this year. A Chloe Marcie which was (I think) £1,200, a balenciaga giant city which was the same price and a Rag & Bone small pilot which was a bargain, £197 from £600. I have also been given two bags as gifts, a Karen Millen and a Christian Louboutin.
I like bags. Earn my money legally, don't owe anyone a dime and don't rob old ladies or my kids bank accounts to pay for the bags. I give to charity and don't feel the need to buy a park bench. Equally, they are not my be all and end all. As someone else said they are just bags FFS
I was like the poster upthread's MIL in the past. I had to have a bag and matching shoes. I was brought up as an Anglican and there would have been faces in church if I hadn't done so. It's taken millennia for me to think you don't wear gloves to a wedding.
I am not so ancient honestly!!
Nowadays I don't really follow fashion so much, though as I can't sew or make bags I have to buy what's available. I love Scaramanga satchels; I have one and DP has two. I found it a little heavy in the summer without jumpers and coats as I have really sensitive skin.
So today I bought a Cath Kidston rucksack as it has birds on it and I am very fond of birds. It made me smile and I will use it on holiday later in the year.
I could not pay 100s or 1000s for a bag; it is just not my way of living my life.
I think this is one of the things that we discuss on MN where people find it very difficult to truly understand the other point of view.
but why do people think that spending over a thousand pounds on a handbag or shoes or clothes as being silly or vain?, i spend a lot of money on those things, we can afford it,and like amber my job required me to look immaculate,i was meeting important clients on a daily basis,and wearing high quality clothes gives a good reflection of how the firm is.
the op asked a simple question,and people have answered back,so there is no need for this negative attitude .
I bought my first designer bag to celebrate getting my dream job. I thought that would be the only expensive bag I ever bought at around £500 oops
I've since spent £450 on another day bag, £100-200 on 3 evening / impractical bags, and £160 on a small crossbody which I wear day to day. And most recently a Mulberry Mitzy from an outlet for I think £350 or so, in perfect condition, just a discontinued bag. I've always lusted after, and it seems excellent quality, even compared with the quality of my other 'designer' bags. Can't speak for the newer designs, but the Mitzy is tough as old nails. It's big, cross body and fits a small change bag and an iPad as well as all my usual crap so has replaced my changing bag.
I sold a couple of older bags and a load of clothes on Ebay to fund the Mitzy though - I'm a part-time SAHM so can't justify much atm but it does 'lift' my wardrobe I think if I'm carrying a stunning bag - I was wearing an outfit wholly from Primark the other day but with a designer bag felt great.
I'd buy a Balenciaga if I had the ££ novice
I too like Hermes bags. They are well structured.
I always notice a nice bag.
There are bags that cost ££££ and are a bit crap/fashion victim/label over substance. There are bags that cost £££ and are truly beautiful. Pick the bag not the label/price tag.
Shreddies, I have the Mitzy Hobo too. I agree it's a great bag as it seems like a bottomless bag. I only have the medium size one as well! I think it's one if the best bags that Mulberry did, they don't actually make it anymore. The Balenciaga was one I stalked for about 3 years but I only wanted in a royal blue as i had seen it in Paris. I finally found it in Browns. It's a great bag.
I notice bags too, whatever the cost as I love a beautiful bag. I work in the City too (i think from memory as do Amber and her dh) and image is very important. I don't think you need to necessarily buy expensive but it means if you buy cheaper and it doesn't last as well, you would certainly need to replace more often so it looks good. It's interesting that I regularly complimented by men on my bags. People do notice.
I haven't spent that much, but half. I bought it because of the design, if I work it's from home. I thought finally a small bag I can use everyday with dc that is lovely and not twee.
Everybody has their thing and for me it is handbags. I have saved up for my bags and now have some classic Mulberry, Balenciaga and Louis Vuitton. I use them all and rotate them. Using them makes me very happy each day so I don't feel guilty buying them. As I said bags are my 'thing' so I notice other people's bags and will drool over them. Those of you not into bags will not understand & I don't expect you to. My family and friends are not all into using designer bags and many can not tell how much mine cost. I do not discuss my bags with them for this reason. My sil bought a fake mulberry Ledbury on holiday and she is very happy with her purchase. I have the genuine Ledbury and I am very happy with mine, each to our own. I don't judge other's. you can spend your money on clothes, holidays, going out, etc. I wasted alot of money on £100 bags and then went off them very quick. The bags I have now I will never sell they will last many years & will always have a good resale value if I did want to sell them.
By the way,I would love a Chloe Marcie.
Sphynx, the Chloe Marcie is gorgeous though I will warn you that it's heavy!
I am a real accessories person so I will notice a bag whether it cost £10 or £1000 and buy at all price points. I had to do a massive cull last year as they were threatening to take over the house
If you love bags, you love bags. I wouldn't dream of being twatty enough to sneer about whatever others are into (Eg there are some posters who have lots of jeans, I don't like jeans that much but good for them). everyone has their thing and so i am quite happy to tell anyone who would be/is twatty enough to tell me that I am vain for buying expensive bags out of my disposable income to fuck off to the far side of fuck.
Well said Novice!
I should also say that I have a small black Fiorelli bag bought 12 years ago that I still have. I also have 2 black leather Cochinelle bags that are very nice. Cochinelle bags are great quality and well made if you want good quality without designer price tags. Lk Bennett bags in the sale may be worth looking into.
Of all my bags my fabric patchwork bag from accessorise gets the most compliments & I do also love it. You can tell I love and know all about all handbags. Like Novice I love all nice bags whether they cost £10 or £1000.
Wow, this is eye opening, not judging, just had no idea how much people are prepared to pay for a bag.
My current one cost £20 out of TK Max, I think it was £60 originally and I love it.
I agree with Novice, I like nice bags so if I want to/can afford to buy one, I will. (Novice put it more eloquently though )
There are many things people choose to spend money on that I just don't get. But I would never ridicule their choice, that's just bad form.
Oh, and re the whole status thing. Many things, not just bags are status symbols. Cars, houses, holidays, organic food, schools, your chosen charities, your carbon footprint, your sport, etc can all be linked to status depending on your 'industry' or your way of life.
All of those things and many more can be used by others to judge you, but that says more about them than about you.
For me it's the design, the quality and a little bit the status. Money talks in my DH's and my industry - status bags are indicative of your success which inspires confidence in clients.
Thank god my 'industry' is not so shallow as that and the clients aren't so gullible.
If I was your client and knew what it cost...I wouldn't trust your financial judgement and I'd think you were gullible...
I could spend a couple of grand on a bag if I really wanted ...but I think it is better spent elsewhere -or better still saved...
but then I don't have a handbag - just lots of pockets and a shopper type canvas bag I can stick A4 sized folders in - or 4pt carton of milk if I have forgotten to take my carrier bags ..
Guess we all have different perceptions and values...
Wow, unlucky, what does it feel like to be so worthy and pious?
Lots of pockets!? Why didn't I think of that? <goes off to bin all my handbags>
Oh too funny. Next time I am meeting with senior execs from a FTSE 100 or s&p 500, I will be so tempted to ask whether they would trust my judgment more if I used a carrier bag.
I go for Russell & Bromley handbags for every day. Thy are about £250 new but I get mine from eBay for up to £100-£120. I only buy ones in mint condition. I've had my current one for about two years now and it still look like nearly new!! When I eventually get bored I will sell it on eBay (probably get £70-£80) in its used state and invest in a new one for £100-£120 again so only costing me approx £15-£20 per year to own a designer luxury handbag and use it every day. On the other hand you could buy a much cheaper handbag that doesn't last long and keep replacing it so overall I find that my method is much much cheaper overall!
Novice, does the Marcie fit a small laptop?
I have two mulberries, and a Chloe. I spend around £800-£1000 on them. I am treating myself to a new work bag but I need something large enough for my small laptop....
Not being worthy..
meant that personally I don't like handbags and prefer keeping my money, phone and keys etc on me...in pockets...(a bit like most men do...) and don't take a bag unless I need to carry something bigger than pocket size...
Thankfully I don't need to 'impress' people
So I am not the person to discuss the particular merits of handbags...just saw that comment and thought I would have a completely different view of something like that (I also probably wouldn't know from looking at a bag if it had cost £1k or £10...)
I am not at all 'flash' - don't really get why people need 'status symbols' ... I really really just don't get it ...maybe my northern roots?
Flash things always make me think 'fur coat and no knickers'
As I said we are all different ...
Novice -what do your male colleagues carry their laptops etc in? A leather brief case? Are they worried about it being a £1k designer brand? (Curious - as I would think a £150 smart one would do the job)
Hi Emmyloo, I have just measured my laptop it's smallish, 12 x 8" and it doesn't comfortably fit into the medium Marcie, which is what I have.
Unlucky, did I say I was worried about my bag being designer? No. In fact if you re-read what I said, it was to say that I have bags at all price points.
As to my male colleagues.... Like me, they don't worry about it being designer but they spend time on image, so no, you won't find them carrying their laptops in carrier bags either.
£5 from Primark.
I don't want to have to woh to pay for expensive handbags, they aren't important.
I have got one that cost £50 from Nine west which is my bestest, but this was a bday present several years ago
Have a seude one off ebay 8 pounds and a next one from charity shop for 5 pounds
I've only got 3 bags, a Dior Granville £1600, Dior Le Trente £1750 and a Matalan across the shoulder bag, £7.
I concede it's 'each to her own' here, but.....as someone who could afford designer bags and a whole lot of other material things but who just doesn't, I just feel that people who 'fall' for the status thing are a bit well.. gullible.
Surely you know you are being ripped off? And rather than making you look savvy and smart ( and monied) it could equally make you look like a bit of a WAG! It's just a difference of perception.
The workmanship doesn't equate to the price tag, nor does the design. There are loads of bags that are very similar to some of the designer bags people have linked to or posted about here- for a fraction of the price.
You can go to a FTSE 100 meeting with a bag that cost £150 and look every bit as smart as if you paid £2K for the bag.
Companies put a silly price tag on bags because they know some people are silly enough to hand over hard earned cash for them- it's all really shallow imo.
I've only got one
It cost about £600 5 years ago and I've used it every single day since
I bought two bags this week - one was £2.50, the other was £5 :D Bags just aren't very important to me!
Why do the bag threads always turn into a bunfight? You carry it every day, it lasts longer than shoes. Seems like a pretty good way to spend your sartorial cash, if you are inclined to that type of thing and can afford it.
I have one Mulberry and am really surprised that people haven't rated the quality. It's the only bag I have that has survived the battering I tend to give my bags. I'm planning a big ebay wardrobe purge, though, to save some pennies for something cross body, which suits my lifestyle better.
I can't see how it's any difference someone spending 50k on an Audi or 9k on a citreon. I'm not into cars and am happy with my Citreon but can totally understand why someone wants a more expensive car.
Missbopeep said it so much better than I did... and I really don't understand it...
Novice the designer bag thing wasn't aimed at you personally and individually - just a general thing from reading a few posts on here ...although reading back i see you did say you had a couple of £1k + bags...
But from a male perspective -is there that much difference between a (not necessarily branded') good quality leather brief case at say £150-£200 and a £2k one? Do people really notice these things and care?
Just wondering if it is a gender thing or not ...
Anyone can do what they like with their money ...we all have different values and make different life choices ...as long as we are happy with who we are...
DH bought me a Mulberry bag which I use for everyday. I can throw my day to day stuff in and the leather really is very good quality. Had it a year or so now and it still looks as new, despite being thrown on floor at school and left all over (much to DH's despiar!)
I'd never spend that much on myself tbh, even though same account, but as a gift it feels different I don't "do" handbags in general so for me this bag literally is an every day bag, so it will get a lot of use!
missbopeep I have used my first designer handbag (a Delvaux bought by DM) for 20 years (and it is still in excellent nick) so I certainly don't feel ripped off.
I haven't heard of that brand so it's lost on me, but there you go- enjoy it!
The handbag I use for everyday cost £160 in the sale. Was £225 originally and would def have paid that - it's really sturdy leather, a very simple style (Mimi Berry) and just looks better with age.
fluffy - I don't get the car thing either - as long as it is reliable, relatively comfortable, efficient and gets you from A to B - it does its job...
Not being a handbag person it has surprised me over the last year or so how many people DO notice and comment on bags. Since getting this Mulberry one lots of people comment on it to me. I have never had that before. It'a a brown leather messenger bag, across body style one so it's not like my bag is some big fancy one.
It's stupid to argue about stuff like this. It just comes down to personal taste. I like expensive make up and reasonably expensive clothes and bags, but other things, like cars, I wouldn't spend a lot of money on because I don't have a well-developed taste in cars.
Meh. £30. I only have one.
Why 15 bags ffs? Surely you have to keep transferring your stuff from bag to bag?
Transferring your stuff to a new/different hangbag is fun! Gives you a chance to clean it out, sort out your stuff... same with purses. Or is that just me?
I know it's not the done thing to say on MN but some people do notice these things. I found this most significantly when I worked abroad in post Soviet countries, people at work and clients were incredibly conscious of appearance and brands and would openly judge you accordingly. This may be dreadful but it was certainly true...Colleagues frequently told me that English women at work generally looked frumpy and poor!
The super expensive bags maybe an extreme example but Amber's point is true at other levels. If you were a very expensive barrister doing a case worth 150 million you could meet the court dress codes by wearing a black polyester suit and pleather shoes from Tesco or a market stall and bringing your documents in a 10p bag for life. This is unlikely to ever happen as it would likely unnerve the clients. Is this just because the clients would be shallow as it doesn't change the persons ability to advocate or win the case? You could technically look the part wearing a 20 quid suit, a 200 quid suit or a 2k bespoke one. Why not chose the cheapest and spend the money elsewhere?
People's work environments and personal preferences are all very different. If they are not starving their children or whacking it all on credit who cares. All purchases reflect choice and status, even a can of coke (why not buy 2l of value cola) Where you draw the line is up to you (funds permitting) it's not an objective standard beyond which the purchaser is a fool.
HiggsBoson - you can buy a bag liner/organiser type thing to slot inside your bag and it's the work of about 30 seconds to transfer this and all its contents between bags.
I'm another with bags at all price points from £30 to a £1000, including a couple of Mulberry bags. I tend to spend less on colours I know I won't carry a lot and I think Zara is fab for one season bags e.g. bought cobalt last winter and bright yellow this spring. My main no no is anything pleather - just hate that for myself though obviously don't care if others choose to carry it.
I live in the North and see plenty of women carrying expensive bags. We do have Harvey Nics and Selfridges to buy them from. Not sure why it is being made out in some posts to be a North/South divide.
Also don't think I'll go with the idea of stuffing my pockets with keys, wallet etc - I tend to have makeup, kindle, tampax etc etc in my bag and suspect the line of my clothes would be somewhat trashed.
My current favourite day bag is a Celine and if I need something more casual I have a lovely grey Marc Jacobs satchel that i seem to be using a lot at the moment. The Celine bag was about 1200 and the Marc Jacobs a little under 600.
And yes of course cheaper might still be functional but that us true of everything - I could furnish my house from Argos, drive a Hyundai and use a basic functional phone but I don't. Funnily those decisions are never met with quite the vitriol that the handbag choice evokes
I spend about 50-100 quid on semi-decent quality leather bags in TK MAXX or in the sales. I thrash the hell out of them and they last a year or so. I can't believe that a 500-1,000 pound bag would last me for ten years unless it was made of titanium.
some men do spend a fortune on suits,briefcases and shoes,they must look smart,
if we will all stop buying ,expensive bags,cars,home furniture etc,then life really becomes dull,
and some big brands do hire craftsmen for designing and producing their bags,they dont just copy them, or have them done in sweat shops that employ children.
Of course men spend a similar amount of money to look good! How on earth do you think Saville Row or Jermyn Street continue to thrive? A male colleague might spend his money on a suit, I spend on accessories.
People who think others don't notice things in the workplace are kidding themselves. If I am in a high profile situation at work eg a pitch or an event, one of the things that I get advice on is attire. Both men and women in my workplace get given it. For a good reason, it matters. Nobody will say spend £x on a bag or clothes and if the £100 looks as good as the £1000 thing, great. however it is terribly small minded, unimaginative and arrogant to assume that if you choose (assuming you have a choice) to only ever spend a few bob on a bag, then your way is the best and only way so there must be something very wrong with <whisper> people who aren't like you
I used to like threads like these as a handbag fan but these threads turn in to bun fights like others.
Why is accepeptable to put down those who choose to spend some of their disposable income on a nice bag?
I dont smoke but I dont begrudge those who choose to spend money on smoking. Some people spend the same amount of money on smoking anf drink as someone who buys an expensive handbag once a year or so. I know what I would rather have.
Santa - do you know about the chinese sweatshops in Italy that work for Gucci, Prada etc? ...look it up...(and I think there was one in America too...)
(and all the things that should be labelled 'assembled in' rather than 'made in' )
If you want something that is not made in sweatshops your best bet is to buy from a fair trade ethical company -or from a local craftsman...if you can find any left...definitely not a big label designer (I think they are worse - they make a lot more money per item than Primark etc)
It did used to be worth paying more for quality - someone here with a 20yo designer handbag - I'd believe that - you were paying more for the quality than the name...unfortunately I would say that 80% of the cost of these handbags now is purely for the name ... and the perceived status...
The same would go for buying a suit etc - I would say a Saville Row suit would be of a better quality than an Armani one...and in fact may even be worth the money...
(sadly I would suspect the material for both come from third world sweatshops)
I don't care about the line of my clothes -and don't wear makeup and have pockets big enough to fit a paperback book in!
I have chosen my life path for the very reason that I don't want to and don't have to care about image...
but as I keep saying - each to their own.. I was actually just trying to understand...
I have a laminate Orla Kiely bag as my everyday. It has lasted 2-3y so far - it's beginning to split/fray at crease points, so I'll probably replace in the next two years.
So I think hers are around £125, but that's for having the same bag every day for several years.
I don't buy a label, I buy a style I like and most importantly a bag that can be carried cross-body and has useful features like interior pockets. The best thing about Orla's bags is the funky elastic strip attached to a hook, that you can put your keys on, which allows for easy extraction from the rest of the detritus in your bag.
I think it's terribly shallow to think that people clock your bags in the way you clock theirs- in the work place or wherever.
I couldn't agree more that looking the part for work is important. But I think some people here are justifying their designer bags on a false premise, and a tad too much self-importance!
There is a dress code in the City, but no one would pass you over for having say a nice Russell and Bromley bag costing £200 , rather than a Hermes costing £3K.
It's all a matter of degree. Of course you can't turn up for work like a bag lady with carrier bags, but you are deluding yourself if you think anyone cares that much about the label on your bag- and if they do, god almighty, what kind of world do they inhabit? When half the country is scrabbling around to keep their kids fed during a recession and other people come on here and say they 'must have' a £1K+ bag to effectively keep their job ( and clients)- who are you kidding?
I'd forgotten about Orla Kiely for bags (will go and look), silly when I've only recently bought one of her purses. But my purse was approx £80.
I have a lug organiser bag for £60. Holds everything and does for work, travelling and gym.
who has said you would get passed over for having a £200 bag? I am getting bored of as saying this now, but most people I know who spend £1k on a bag buy at other price points.
When people comment on your bag, it is fair to assume that they have clocked it. Not shallow. It's based on people commenting. That's what I said.
The OP asked a question. I answered. As i said, the money comes from disposable legally earned income. i am not robbing anyone or stealing from my kids. so there is absolutely no need for me to feel like I have to justify my expenditure. Maybe others think I "ought" to justify it. No chance!
Ahem unlucky if you don't care about your image why are you on S and B......just asking
but unlucky you dont want to understand! you chose a handbag free life and are happy with stuffing your pockets with your day to day stuff,and i dont judge that.thats your choice,however you judge us,
Yes, let's not forget this the Style & Beauty part of the forum. I like to come on hear to learn more about style and fashion. Many women who are interested in fashion like accessories which include handbags. You buy what you can afford. Some might say why buy from Mulberry if you can buy from Russell and Bromley, then why buy from Russell and Bromley when you can buy in M&S? Why buy from M&S when you can buy in River Island or Primark It is all to do with personal preferences and budgets.
I only started to like & notice designer bag's in my 30's. I am in my 40's now and enjoy using bags that no-one other than those who are aware of the brands will recognise. They are not instantly recognisable and I like that.
My current day bag is a Smythson Cooper Tote. Cost just under £1K. I have a number of expensive bags purchased over many years. I notice shoes, bags and watches in the workplace. Sometimes I have found them a good way to break the ice/start a conversation as there is something we have in common.
I feel neither shallow nor materialistic because I'm totally happy and at ease with who I am.
The most I have ever spent is £40 and that's on the bag I have now. I bought it last October and it was from M&S. DH found it for me
I balked at paying that much to be honest- I am not a well off person and growing up we were very much hand to mouth. I will spend on other people, but spending money on myself has always been difficult.
I'm a bag lady
Have a whole collection but never spend more than about £10 on one. Picked up in H&M, markets, on holiday, etc.
I'd rather feed my travel fund.
I know I have seen threads here where they were regarded as boring etc but I am a fan of radley bags. DH buys me them and for day o day handbags they will come in usually between £100-200.
I have a little collection and I like lining them up in their pink dust bags (saddo)
I find them well made, nice soft leather, and the designs are usually very practical in that they have lots of pockets, key clips, phone pockets, etc. they also last very well.
I would be happy to pay more for a bag but I have never found one I like enough...
Yes, I think I might not be taken very seriously if I turned up for a meeting with a bag for life.
And FWIW, yes my DH 'only' spent £250 on his laptop bag, but he spends several thousand at his six-monthly meetings with his tailor. I get away with LK Bennett dresses which come in at significantly less.
Anyone who reads my blog will know I'm not a label snob; I just care about my appearance, and I'm unapologetic about that. Of course there is an element of 'paying for a name', but as was said upthread that essentially applies to any product on the market from cornflakes to lightbulbs to handbags to sports cars.
Oh, and as for comments on this thread not being 'personal', when someone essentially calls me an idiot for choosing to spend the money I earn on something I enjoy and appreciate, I do take it a tad personally.
I get away with LK Bennett dresses
Oh Lord help us.
And you are just mid 20s- right?
Wow this thread is starting to get a bit nasty now .
Why the personal swipes missbopeep ?
Sorry- I apologise.
I was responding to the fact that someone implied LK Bennett dresses were something you 'made do with' and it just made me wonder if they had much idea how most people live in terms of money.
I was taken to task last week by one poster for 'admitting' I'd spent £170 on 4 items of summer clothing- so all this thread has done is show that I am pretty frugal in comparison!
I'm 28, missbopeep, though why my age is relevant is quite beyond me.
Yes and as I recall you weren't hugely impressed with people sneering at your fiscal choices, were you? Funny that.
In the context of my husband's bespoke suits, LKB is a lower-cost option. I was illustrating the point that while I spend more on accessories, he spends more on clothes, to debunk the myth that city men don't need to spend on their image. Obviously I realise that LK Bennett isn't a cheap option, but I would be happy walking into a meeting in a £200 dress, whereas DH would not be happy to do that in a £200 suit. Yes, placing importance on image is shallow, but such is the nature of the business. They don't hire us for the clothes we wear, they hire us for our brains, but when clients are paying £800 an hour for your time they expect you to look the part. That's just how it is, whether you like it or not.
That's ironic missbopeep, that someone did to you what you appear to be doing to others ? Surely that just goes to prove the 'horses for courses' point?
I don't think Amber was suggesting anything negative about LK Bennett dresses, simply that in the context of the value of her DH's wardrobe an LKBenett dress is far from extravagant, which in turn was in response to the question about men's spending habits...was that posed by you too?
I also fail to see the relevance of anyone's age in relation to spending...I could see your point if someone is 16 and spending unearned cash on things like Balenciaga bags, but am adult who has worked for their money and chooses how to spend it , what is the difference between 22 and 62?
I have a rucksack for family use and a laptop carrying rucksack for work.
I also own two small bags for going out, both gifts i reckon £10-£30.
I get really sore shoulders if I carry any weight that's not evenly spread so handbags are just not for me. I'm really surprised that I'm the only one!
Look, there are always going to be people who are happy to tote their stuff about in a farmfoods bag and others who would only ever carry something hand stitched by fairies from unicorn skin.
Doesn't make either right or wrong...
I don't support fairy labour, Rhonda, the working conditions are appalling.
I thought it was much better now they were unionised? It's the unicorn hunting that gets to me personally...
Steering the thread back to the OP...
I love bags but don't have the disposable income or lifestyle to justify buying designer bags. They would look out of place with my life of working from home in jeans.
I prefer leather bags but I rarely pay full price.
My favourites are a slouchy peach leather hobo by Ameko that was less than £20 on eBay because a screw was missing of the handle, it was otherwise new and immaculate, I replaced the screw and had a £150 bag for less than a quarter of the price.
Although I don't spend a lot, I have never had a bag break or flake etc but I change bags fairly regularly and clean them with lovin' my bag products.
I always notice someone's bag because I love bags!
at unicorn skin and fairies.
at RhondaJean with unicorns and fairies!!
I really rate Massimo Dutti and Hobbs for nice leather everyday bags. Usually around 90-170 pounds and last reasonably well (i'm not one of those ladies who requires a doily and chair for their bag to rest on so mine get a bit bashed about).
unlucky83 Men also use status symbols -- the most obvious are watches. In business the ties men wear are important. Business people will notice belts; shoes etc. Yes there can be status in a battered leather briefcase -- but men do think about these things. For example a male friend needed to find a bag that was not a rucksack because of the image it projected as he got older.
don't forget the handles and hard accessories must be made from the unicorn horns.
As a veggie I don't buy leather bags. I look for a good quality synthetic, with quality metalwork. Matt & Nat is the best of the vegan brands and they cost about £100 full price but you can usually get them in sales for aroud the £40 -50 mark.
Leave Amber alone What nasty, sneering, bullying on this thread. If Amber or I or anyone else wishes to spend money personalising a style signature then that is something that obviously matters to us and is of no relevance to someone genuinely satisfied with a carrier for a bag. You are not going to understand why I might pay £30 for a lipstick either...
I get a kick from beautiful accessories. I love handbags, scarves and shoes.
I can't believe I've ended up on S&B either ...just clicked on thread form most active...and was intrigued - and then agreed with the perspective of the post I saw ..don't think I have really judged anyone..more curiosity ...
(I did have to point out that 'designer' and/or 'expensive' does not equal 'no sweat shops' ...and I think we all need to be aware of issues like that ...although I would believe fakes are probably worse -as by nature under the radar...)
Anyway - don't worry I won't be back...the idea of me worrying about spoiling my lines - made me lol
and I have learned something ...I would never have thought in any important field people would judge you by the make of your bag/shoes/belt over your competency - but apparently they do ... Such is life.
I have a friend who has a very very highly paid job in advertising, 3 houses and yes, he carries his stuff to work in a carrier bag ( usually Tesco). I wouldn't criticise anyones choices but I feel sad taht there are work places where people are judged on the price of their clothes and accessories, rather than just looking suitably dressed.
BTW it isn't a carrier bag - it is a canvas 'shopper style' bag - black with white stars - a genuine French design, bought in France (a present from French MIL) and big (and scruffy) enough for me to be able to pop the milk in if I forget to take a carrier bag with me...
Why the hate BoPeep?
Can you imagine in a parallel universe somewhere there a group of men insulting each other for spending hundreds of pounds on a car? How frivolous, how show-offy, how shallow, what a waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere.
Oh no you wouldn't hear that - because it's not hundreds that men (mostly men) spend on cars, it's thousands. Tens of thousands, sometimes.
And I've yet to hear a man insult another man who has an expensive car.
Look at all the Range Rovers around, all the Porsches, all the cars that are BMW, new Minis, shiny Alfas and slick convertibles.
I think this could be a feminist issue actually (only partly joking...)
My 'overspill' bag is a Longchamp Le Pliage
So is mine Amber have several of them in various sizes and colours
How "tough" is the Le Pilage Choo and Amber?
I do wrap my umbrella in a (Harrods) carrier bag before it goes in my work bag
Tough as nails novice made from parachute fabric. It will take as much crap as I can fit in it. Laptop, papers, gym gear.
Look OP....it all depends on your budget. Leather bags look better. And will last longer. Whether you go for an expensive designer brand or a good quality high street brand bag is up to you . Whatever type of bag you buy you won't get as much grief about your choice IRL .
Amber I used to have one of those until I left on the bus. Now, my overspill bag is a fold up nylon Miu Miu bag which is one of the best things I've ever bought (from the Prada outlet, thankfully for my wallet). It folds into a purse and is always tucked into whatever bag I'm using that day! (I feel defeated and ashamed if I have to ask for a plastic carrier bag in a shop. I've also been known to shun carrier bags when I go clothes shopping to, although if it's a really nice bag, I will accept!
Anyway! Like Amber and quite a few others, I don't understand why others judge those who choose to spend their hard earned money on an expensive bag. Personally, I've always been of the school where one spends a little more in order to buy less long term. My handbag collection is an equal spread of designer - Mulberry (before it got stupidly expensive), Prada, Miu Miu, Philip Lim, Marc by Marc Jacobs and Sonia by Sonia Rykiel, a few Zara and COS bags and also canvas totes bags, the ones APC, YMC give away with a purchase or can be bought at places like Goodhood. (I've also been lucky enough to inherit quite a few Chanel bags from my mother but if I could justify the expense, I'd have no issue buying myself a mini wallet on a chain.)
Out of all my bags, the best buy was easily my Prada satchel, bought on sale for a still expensive £400 yet has been used at least three times a week for well over a decade.
I think handbags are highly personal choices and so long as you can afford to buy an expensive bag and aren't getting into debt to do so, then that's fine and not for others to judge. For those who don't want to spend a lot of money on their bags, I do get this, and would never attack them for their choices the way some people seem to attack those who buy expensive bags.
Lastly, for those who take their things to work in a Tesco carrier bag, it just doesn't inspire or look like that person is terribly organised. Personal presentation in a working environment matters and a supermarket carrier bag gives the impression that the person using it just doesn't care and is rather haphazard and sloppy, which would make me wonder how efficient she/he is to work with.
PS. Amber, love your blog, it's hugely inspiring and am so glad you've discovered shorts, they look great on you!
I agree, there shouldn't be any bullying over who buys what. Buy what you like and what makes you happy.
to be honest though, I would seriously buy a handbag if it's hardware was made of unicorn horns. How could I pass that up?
Yes novice Le Pliage are indestructible. Rubber lined as well so has served me as a changing bag for two DC and still looks great. Perfect for gym kit/water bottles/magazine etc.
Glad you like the blog sansucre, I'm learning to live with my legs. Have to really!
I usually spend around 60-80 on leather bags but do hanker after an Anya Hindmarch bag. I recently bought a lovely Fossil bag for £140 though and think the quality is excellent. I could afford one but end up spending on other things ! I'm also hard on my bags so would worry that they wont stay looking good.
For those who say mulberry etc are not good quality, which brands do you think are worth paying extra for?
I like lightweight bags for everyday so only need to spend £50ish or non leather bags. I'd spend £100-£150 on a leather bag.
I've always been really into bags, right from a teenager. Agree with the earlier poster that you can wear jeans and tee but carry an amazing bag and you feel fantastic. Most of mine are designer and cost silly money, but I can afford it, I adore them and they last for years. It's really not about impressing others, in fact I'd be embarrassed if a lot of my friends (and definitely my in laws!) knew how much I spend on bags. It's just for me. Really perplexed by how expensive bags seem to irk and baffle some people so much.
amber would love to be pointed in direction of your blog...I'm a reg NCer and always like your posts
Hi Platinum, Amber's blog is here twentymumthing.wordpress.com/ You will love her latest post if you're a bag lover. I think that bag is gorgeous!
blue, you make a very good point.... I am wearing a very plain outfit at work today (sneaky mumsnet as I have a late lunch!) but it is jazzed up by the salmon pink Chloe Marcie. Also, yes I agree, I don't normally run around saying that I spent x on bags. This thread (and others like it) show that it might not be a popular thing to do
Amber and Choo, thank you.... I will think about Longchamp as a christmas gift for my sister!
Novice thanks for that I have bookmarked AN's blog
silversixpence i think its more to do with the price increase than the quality of mulberry bags , i think they are very good.mine lasted for 7 years,very durable,and im not very gentle with my bags,
from my own experience i think LV bags are extremely durable, an LV speedy i had since i was 17 lasted for almost 11 years before i decided to sell it,and it still looked good,i honestly regret selling it now . chloe is very durable too, tods is another great understated brand.
i would avoid ysl like the plague,worst handbag quality IMO.
I've been eyeing up La Pilage today, my dilemma is what colour to buy.
I would love a La Pilage, so chic.
A grand for a bag is outside my sphere of comprehension. So many people are living in desperate poverty. Buy a bag for 50 quid and give the rest to charity.
I realise you're going to gad on about not criticising each other's choices as to what they spend their 'hard earned' money on (many of us who earn minimum wage work hard too y'know), but it just seems so...well, unsavoury :-/
my latest bag I really shelled out on, it was a massive (for me) £24
but usually I decimate my bags within 6months. sometimes I wonder if I paid more whether they'd last longer but if its just me and it doesn't
Yes because we all give nothing to charity of course - * novice* runs her own charity FFS. Such inane nonsense.
Higgs - I think a spend on anything that is above what one deems to be sensible or appropriate may seem excessive. But, as with most things, a handbag spend is just another comparative expense. I genuinely don't understand why anyone would react to others spending more (or less) of their own money on an item than them. It says more about the person reacting than the person spending. As for the charity comment, well, a handbag does not preclude a charity donation.
Has anyone mentioned the positive benefits to society when we spend? In many ways, it's better for us all if we go out and spend rather than save. From Investopedia:
"...(I)njections of new demand for goods and services into the circular flow of income stimulate further rounds of spending in other words one persons spending is anothers income
This can lead to a bigger eventual effect on output and employment"
Ok now I have my popcorn out waiting for what Higgs could possibly have to say about the fact that Novice has indeed set up her own charity (something I know that Novice herself would never disclose herself on a thread like this).....
The setting up of one's own charity does nothing to detract from the discomfort that many of us feel when seeing figures of £1K plus being bandied about regarding the purchase of sodding handbags.
I give not a shit.
Fair enough, it does make me somewhat stabby. I do feel that spending such amounts on accessories is vulgar. I know I'm not alone in this, however MN is an enclave of Middle Class harpies, so I'm doubting I'll get any agreement on this thread
Ok Higgs, should such things not exist (expensive handbags that is)? What about ham that costs £4 instead of £1, cars that cost £80k instead of £10k? Houses that are £800k instead of £100k? Where does it stop? What do you think the effect on the economy would be if everyone bought only the cheapest thing available and kept the rest of their money in banks, not giving it to charity either? Genuine question.
I'm still not sure that justifies the extravagance of it.
I'm entitled to feel uneasy about it.
Would you say the same to a smoker Higgs who spends on cigarettes, annually the same amount probably as one handbag that will last years?
Not so sure about that argument either. Many have said on here that they have not one, but several of these extortionate totes.
Higgs - I see what you are saying, but it's comparative, often people will say that you couldn't possibly spend that on a bag, when what they are really saying is "you couldn't possibly justify spending that much money on one thing for yourself" - but then as discreationary spending goes, my Mulberry handbag cost the same as if I've bought 2 packets of fags a week for a year. Lots of people do that, it's not seen as overly extravgant, just unhealthy. (or price wise, like getting a take out coffee from Starbucks 4 times a week)
(Although my Mulberry was bought with money I was given to buy a something, not from saving for it myself)
Crikey, charity shop queen here. I have loads of handbags. Currently have the following on the go...
Fat Face £3.50
Jane Shilton £4
Paul Costelloe £5
Unbranded suede handbag £4
oh X post with Allthingspretty!
Higgs - is it the money being spent on a 'treat' for one person the problem, or that it's a treat that is on one thing rather than lots of little things, is it that you can buy a cheaper version of that thing that's the problem?
No one needs to justify their extravagances, outside of their own 4 walls. And I say that as someone who doesn't buy expensive handbags.
I can absolutely see why someone could never imagine spending 4 figure sums on a handbag themselves, but I struggle to get that they can't just live and let live for those who can afford to and choose to. If you are a regular mn'etter and come onto an s&b thread discussing the cost of handbags you really know that some people do buy and enjoy such things...it's not AIBU or Politics.....people just want to chat (and yes, possibly show off a little ) about the bags they have. They don't want to argue about or justify their actions, nor should they have to.
Exactly Don't. For some people cigarettes or a a few bottles of wine a week are an essential. The money mounts up the same and the.pleasure doesnt last ad long as having a mice bag or coat etc.
I don't get why you need to justify your extravagances if you can afford them. I spent £25 on some earrings today and £25 at the cinema, neither of which were necessary. I could have stayed at home and donated £50 to charity. I spent £8000 on a car in January when I could have bought a cheaper one and donated the difference. But I didn't.
£50-100, but I don't like fake leather, it has to be real leather and I usually can find what I want at white stuff, fossil etc.
I'd spend more for the bag of my dreams but not hundreds and hundreds. The one "it" bag I've seen that I really love is a chloe edith like this on the right but they're £££££ even on ebay. Plus I'd worry that if I had a really expensive bag I'd get it nicked or lose it...
And actually my trusty current white stuff bag is not dissimilar.
If MN is such an 'enclave of middle class harpies' then why do you read and post? We obviously disgust you with our feckless, frivolrous ways.
Can you imagine if I went onto the wedding boards and said 'I only had a cheapo wedding, you are all despicable, profligate fools and ought to be ashamed for not donating your wedding fund to charity'? I wouldn't of course, because I'm not a twat, but can you imagine?
higgsbosom I take great offence at being referred to as a "middle class harpie".....I'm totally upper class , "an upper class harridan" would be much more appropriate........how vulgar!
Higgs you must feel uneasy with a lot of peoples spending habits then.
I do usually avoid S&B for this reason. All the Joules and Boden etc.
And just to weigh in on the spending debate - I do think that if you have a very big disposable income (and it is disposable, i.e. you know you have responsibly covered other expenses) - then totally the best thing you can do with it is spend it and put the money into the economy and help to keep loads of other people in jobs. Isn't that better than putting it in the bank to pile high and create bonuses for other rich people?
I was always quite offended on Eton John's behalf when he got slagged off for spending loads of money on fresh flowers, hats and suits. I bet the traders invoved weren't unhappy about it.
Higgs I dont own any Boden or Joules!
But Higgs there are a equally a lot of people on S and B who spend in Primark, DP,Sainsburys, Matalan,M and S ( not a lot admittedly)...it's not all Boden.
And there are mostly kind,non judgemental folks on here too who just like clothes, boosting each others confidence when you are having a style crisis......or bra that doesn't fit, it's just light hearted stuff.....it's just fashion.
I realise it's an argument I can never win. All seems so very alien to me.
I was unaware I wasn't permitted to express an opposing view on the S&B board. Won't be doing it again.
I meant "not a lot" as a joke about M and S not about cheaper shops....
Oppose all you like, but you may wish to think about why you are doing it, first.
Higgs it's not about winning an argument. Your view is that you wouldn't spend a lot on a bag....that's fine and no one is making you feel bad or judging you on that. Other people like to spend a lot on bags, that's their choice and they don't really need to justify why or be made to feel bad about it.
Sometimes it's probably just to make people aware of their bubble?
Higgs of course you can express an opinion just as others are expressung theirs. Your comments anput giving to charity could apply to all purchases but nobody seems to turn around and say to people on here that instead of having a bottle of wine etc then they should give the monwy to charity.
Higgs never mind about bags, but all Joules and Boden I draw the line! .
It's not worth getting in a bunfight over, there's probably some common ground somewhere.
A bottle of wine is a fiver though! Aaaaaanyway....
Higgs. They are handbags..they bring a little.happiness to the day. Thats all.
If people have awareness of the world around them, they will already know how un/fortunate they are, relative to others. If they don't have that awareness, you are unlikely to give it to them.
But actually, your post just read as an outraged reaction.
I know!! For me though...it's just a bag! Could never imagine it.
I spent £100 on a pair of boots for myself last year and it was by far the most money I have EVER spent on a single item for myself.
I still feel guilty about it! It's hard to explain exactly why.
Two bottles of wine fifty two weeks is £520. You can get a designer bag for that much!
Higgs. Seriously, what makes you think that because you spend £1k on a bag you live in a bubble and aren't aware that others don't have £1k to spend on a bag? I am fortunate, not stupid.
I know very, very many people who don't know they're born. Not saying you are one of them, but they exist in their millions I'm afraid to say.
Higgs - for a lot of woman, it is about prioritising disposable income into one or 2 purchases a year. I know I'll probably not buy another 'posh' bag for a few years
I'm just going to be lugging a changing bag anyway but each month I have about £300 to spend on myself, so if I wanted too I could save for another posh bag, yet I would rather spend that on lunches out, lots of little clothes purchases, posh makeup, books, music etc, I've realised others on here really do spend little on other stuff for themselves but save up for one or two designer purchases a year. That doesn't make my shopping habits any less excessive...
The charity comments really winds me up. Sending a lot on a handbag, or indeed anything that could be deemed to be a luxury item (eg large tv, smart phone etc) doesn't mean that you don't care about the world around you or donate time or money to charity.
I spend around £200/£250 a year on a really decent leather handbag.. plus the odd clutch/cross body bag at around £80-£100. I can't bring myself to spend £350+ on a bag tho, tempted tho I am by the Chloe Marcie/paraty etc, I would prefer to buy pre loved rather than new though ...
BTW, the OP asked a simple question on S&B thread not the AIBU thread?
When I was very, very poor I wouldn't have been able to comprehend spending such a vast amount on a bag. Now i am in a position to buy myself pretty much anything I want and I feel fortunate, no bubble for me.
Nope, I'm definitely living on a different planet here.
Yes madammecholet, so best for me to fuck off before this becomes an all out attack Higgs fest.
My fav was 99p from Ebay. But I can't spend more than £15 on a bag. It's not my thing. I wouldn't know a designer bag if it smacked me in the face.
I'll get my (cheap) coat
Oh ffs is this still going on...
M&S had some carrier bags in today, with Percy Pigs on them, if anyone's interested?
I think they'd look lovely with a nice suit for work.
anni I love those Percy pigs bags!
I adore my PP bag!
Higgs people arent out to attack you.
I think you could match your lipstick to the pink pigs QueenC, it would look fabulous!
You're right Allthingspretty, they come on here to have a pop at Amber (and others) instead.
This thread has literally.turned in to handbags at dawn.
Lets all agree that from Prada to Primark or Mulberry to Matalan we all make choices. There is no wrong choice.
Amber I love your contributiins to s and b threads and i have bookmarked your blog.
Did you know that Percy pig has his own facebook page?
Funnily enough, when I have spent this evening looking at my next year budget for feeding, clothing and educating 200 children in an African village, I am very aware that they can't afford a £1k bag. But thanks for letting me know I live in a bubble. You know cos, I would have no clue without those helpful posts.
Ooh nice QC, I'm not on fb anymore so I can't look.
I will confess to liking the white and yellow ones better, are those Penny pigs?
Although the fizzy tails are lovely too.
Why is it okay, Higgs, to tell others how they should be spending their money?
Let's have a breakdown of how much you spend on your favourite things.
We can then helpfully explain to you how ridiculous/vulgar/naive/uncharitable/greedy you are when you bought your favourite food or bottle of wine, when you went on holiday, when you bought a car, when you bought/rented a property. It can always be done more cheaply.
And why on earth did you pay £100 for that pair of boots? Don't you know that you are an ignorant puppet of the fashion industry and that that money should have gone straight to charity? Just trying to help you pop your bubble, it's a service I like to perform.
Novice, I think you're fantastic. What an example you have set. Please let me know how I can help your charity. You are very impressive!
Higgs people arent out to attack you
FYI NoodleHead I work around 26 hours for under 10K and we bring in around 20K as a household.
I personally have £40 of direct debits going out to charities every month.
...so I don't think I can be criticised for that tbh.
Bumblequeen have you found a bag yet? You must tell us what you bought.
Higgs I was making the point that it's not okay to criticise others for how they spend their money.
It's none of my business how much you give to charity and I wouldn't dream of asking the question
or making the assumption.
And in Novice's case, she is extremely generous but you still saw fit to remind her that she could do more.
Applying your own logic to yourself, notwithstanding that you give £40pm to charity, why didn't you donate the £100 you spent on the boots?
...because we are a minimum wage household
I do the very most I can.
Dry. I have just had a bit of bag porn actually. Another S&B thread asking about a work bag for under £60. I could stroke a couple of those.
Buildingamystery, thank you. it's really kind of you to offer and i am really sorry if i am about to sound rude (as i genuinely don't mean to be) but I really wasn't looking for offers of money/help. I only disclosed on this thread because I got riled by the twatty charity comment. when I have a long track record established, accounts published and website up and running, then I will happily accept offers of old children's books. Thanks again for the kind offer x
Listen, Higgs, I am genuinely glad that you splashed out on a pair of boots that you love . Everyone deserves a treat from time to time and you shouldn't feel guilty about it.
Don't get me wrong I am not for a second suggesting that you shouldn't have bought the boots, I am simply applying the argument you made against PP to your own facts - that because you could have done more, you are open to criticism because you should have done more.
It's not nice to have to justify how you spend your disposable income and that's how your earlier posts came across.
A grand for a handbag is mental. I'm never going to believe otherwise
I'm off to namechange and steer clear of S&B threads!
Normally not much - 5-20, I get lots as gifts - most pricey £75.
I have just decided that I need to pay more so they last - leather bag just bought for £45
Most Saville Row tailors buy their fabrics from British mills. I live very near some famous ones. They take great pride in the provenance and quality of their cloth. Chanel saved several Scottish mills from closure by buying them up in order to protect the precious skills from being lost; skills that have been hard won over time.
Do you think those jobs and the value and pride to the community are frivolous? Christopher Kane uses Johnson of Elgin amongst other Scottish mills to supply his knitwear. He has publicised this firm widely. Do you think this is frivolous too?
Every year Chanel showcases the skills of its artisans in Les Metiers Du Chanel. Still frivolous?
Check out the British lace weavers who work for Alexander McQueen who received major publicity because of a certain wedding dress. This translates into millions of pounds for the British and World economy. Frivolous?
The fashion industry here is one of the few not in decline. Many British fashion designers and associated industries pride themselves on the strong connections they have forged over here. So many criticisms of the fashion industry are made by people who know very little about it and actually seem to pride themselves upon it. Weird.
It is possible to buy 'Designer' and avoid buying sweatshop products and to be honest, those of you who display frankly missplaced pride in buying inexpensive High St bags/clothing are far more likely to be buying sweatshop produced crap. Buying this stuff when you could buy better/more ethical/artisanal is quite frankly the most abhorrent position to take. Check out the firms that have been associated with them and their convoluted supply lines unused by an independent designer who is not licensed to a conglomerate.
And for the record, I have a shit load of bags, some £££, some not. I have bags belonging to my parents and a grandmother, all 'names', still going strong and likely to be worth decent money in the vintage market should I wish to sell them. I earned my money (or the person did who bought me some of them) and if you think the profit margin on your inexpensive high street bag is any the less, you are living in La La land. Do your research before throwing your reverse snobbery on the table.
Yes, all this 'some people don't know how lucky they are?'
Do you think the money just fell into our laps by accident?
As for the work clothing status thingy, wearing good clothing whether it be label or not also comes down to aesthetics. In many industries clothing is status/function whether we like it or not. From formal uniform to scruff friday we notice. I have a dress code at work based upon safety and appropriateness. I wouldn't wear High Fashion to work but some of my patients are interested by what we wear and comment upon it. Creative industries drive fashion and style forward and you would be seriously out of the loop if you did not participate. It is not about parading a succession of outfits costing £££ in the office. Indeed one of my favourite fashion people, Kate Phelan (former Vogue Fashion editor, now TopShop fashion director) wears variations on as theme- pants, T, sweater, trainers or sandals and jacket. It is about enjoying clothing, developing a style and benefiting from good design principles. That inexpensive bag bought from the High Street. Where do they think the design originated from? And many High Street stores have links with the big fashion houses. TopShop has sponsored Graduate fashion week and British fashion week. That's your money, the profits made from selling these 'better value' bags to you which goes to underpin the work of higher priced fashion. Oh and also on Phillip Green's tax free yacht but that is another whole unethical story. How good does that value-bag from TopShop and its Phillip Green stablemates sound now? And he is not the only unethical tax avoiding High Street group either. Smaller High Fashion houses pay their taxes and employ British artisans as do many overseas fashion designers. Find a High Street store that operates like that. Not many of them.
This thread is really upsetting.
I don't care if someone spends £1000 or £5 on a bag but why does this have to be couched in terms of ethics, morality, hard work and exploitation?
Can we not just admit that a lot of it is down to personal preference? If you have the disposable income you can choose to spend it how you wish. I cannot afford a £1000 bag even though I also work hard and don't have money falling in to my lap either. I don't mind if someone else can spend that much and wishes to. I admire many of the bags people have mentioned.
I also don't spend £5 on a bag because the kind I like are rarely that cheap. I don't think this makes me better or worse than someone else.
I don't want Amber et al to be made to feel like shit for spending a grand on a bag but I also don't want to me made to feel like I don't work hard enough and that I am responsible Philip Green avoiding tax because I can't.
I couldn't give a rats ass what people spend their money on. If you've got it, it's yours. Spend as much or as little as you like on what ever the hell it is you like. Nothing to do with me.
But I'd love to know where I can buy 'better/ethical/artisanal' when I've only got £20-£30 to spend... As bleedingheart says, don't push a guilt trip on me for it. I work bloody hard thank you, as does dh, and I don't feel guilty in shopping where I do to support my family longer term.
No one is saying people on lower incomes don't work hard but I resent the bandying about of terms like lucky. To climb the ladder in the city it means a lot of early hours finishes, 5am starts, interrupted holidays, professional qualifications and gruelling exams. It has fuck all to do with luck.
Bit harsh Amber . I am from an average income family, parents didn't have university educations, I attended the local comp and went on to qualify as ACA and have a great career in the City, so I know exactlyhow much hard work is involved. However I acknowledge that I was extremely lucky to have access to a decent education, with supportive parents, the means to go to university and the ability to pass the required exams, interact the way I did with colleagues and clients. Many, many people simply don't have those things, it's not all about choices.
Back to thread...
I have bags from Hobbs, Coach, Mulberry, Orla Kiely and M&S (several years ago, never see bags I like in there now).
I have thinned out my wardrobe and now only buying things I truly love.
Considering a Jimmy Choo or Anya next. I tend to save money from birthdays/Christmas and buy something gorgeous rather than lots of things.
Think I will by the Longchamp tote too and as alternative nappy bag.
I had dreadful parents. I had a bizarre education with good, bad and indifferent. I have worked hard, studied hard and got where I am through sheer bloody stubbornness. I appreciate others never get off the starting blocks which is why i speak to youth groups about my chosen field and how voluntary work in the MH sector will get you that all important training interview.
My point about Phillip Green was made because of previous comments equating expensive fashion with poorly paid sweatshop means of production and over inflated prices. Sorry if buying High Street means you are perpetuating some of these practices in the same way as you may do if you buy particular designers products. But it does. I was not the person who made the thread about politics. ethics and downright nastiness. Nor was Amber. But claiming to disdain 'fashion' whilst a) posting on a style board and b) being proud of not knowing anything about it is bloody ridiculous.
I don't know why I'm surprised that a handbag thread in Style has deteriorated into nastiness.
What does it matter what anybody thinks, we are all different.
I know some rich people who wouldn't spend much on handbags, thats why they are rich. I know people on benefits long term who will buy the most expensive handbag they can find, because they have low self esteem and it bolsters their morale.
Me, well I have a strong opinion about labels and don't wear them as if I am advertising a companies goods I expect to be paid or at least receive them free.
mig makes a valid point,mulberry offers jobs in their somerset factory to graduates of their apprentice programs ,not many high street companies do that,
I love my zatchel - leather, made in Britain and a classic design. Dress it up for work or wear it with jeans - always looks good.
But most things have a label. Would you remove all logo's and insignia from your car, your food products, cleaning products, your books (which have publishers names on them)? . Where does this end?
I do not wear a bag because it has a logo on it.Indeed I often turn the logo side towards me. I buy items because they are skillfully made from quality fabrics or leathers, that feel good to touch and smell wonderful in the case of hides.
And Mulberry are moving production totally back to the UK. They know they made an error in outsourcing some of it.
I love Zatchels too JimJam. And Cambridge Satchels too.
I have mulberry and anya bags but my current most used bag is Marc by Marc Jacobs.
I love designer bags but for me personally, the pricing has just gone up way too much for me to afford now.
I don't care if other people drop £1k on a bag and in my ideal world, I'd love a Bottega Veneta but that's not going to happen for me anytime soon. Curses 3 dc's and school fees - just to add some more controversy in case this thread wasn't angsty enough
morethanpotatoprints i know what you mean,i still cant believe karl lagerfeld chose alice dellal instead of me as the new face of chanel boy bag . but i still succumb to it,
I don't mind what you spend on a bag - I only mind when someone expects their bag to get a seat to itself on a busy commuter train while the rest of us stand
No I don't remove labels as much of what I buy doesn't have a label. As far as food and other goods are concerned I buy particular brands for the taste and quality rather than just because it is a particular brand. If cheap is good I buy it, rather than going for more expensive. I have always been the same. Mulberry means nothing to me and I really couldn't tell you much about many of the names mentioned on this thread as I don't know them. I don't have an opinion about what others do though, each to their own.
I agree on obvious labels. I wouldn't get anything that is advertising too loudly.
It's all signalling isn't it. The decision to take a carrier bag or the Prada.
And then irl you usually end up around people who like your choices. And then it's no where near as much of a big deal.
I agree with bleedingheart here:
'I don't care if someone spends £1000 or £5 on a bag but why does this have to be couched in terms of ethics, morality, hard work and exploitation?
Can we not just admit that a lot of it is down to personal preference? If you have the disposable income you can choose to spend it how you wish. I cannot afford a £1000 bag even though I also work hard and don't have money falling in to my lap either. I don't mind if someone else can spend that much and wishes to. I admire many of the bags people have mentioned.
I don't want Amber et al to be made to feel like shit for spending a grand on a bag but I also don't want to me made to feel like I don't work hard enough and that I am responsible Philip Green avoiding tax because I can't.'
As sleepwhenidie says, there are lots of factors involved in making lots of money/ being wealthy. Hard work is one for sure but there are plenty of others, including luck. Many, many people on lower incomes work equally hard for 100 times less financial reward. I think it is easy if you work in the city, and are surrounded by others on huge salaries, to feel that you deserve your income and work much harder than others as you rarely encounter people on low incomes.
Although I don't agree with higgs, I can definitely understand why someone from on the minimum wage, struggling to feed and clothe their children would find spending £1000 distasteful. Even so, I don't think that style and beauty is the place to express it.
I very much doubt that mignonettes's explanations about Mulberry's ethical practices is going to persuade someone on an average wage/ lower wage to buy one. They just can't afford one full stop. Having 'ethics' of this sort are easier for the well off.
Still, if you can afford a beautiful and expensive bag, you should be allowed to enjoy it without having to justify the expense or being made to feel foolish.
And I just realised the bag I use does have a very small understated name on it, so it isn't no label. Some might avoid that as too much, fine by me. Ok going now!
I also agree with sleepwhenidie with regards to luck etc. I know lots of people who earn well and they do work hard but undoubtedly luck has played its part too.
And now I'm going to start a thread about fur.
Look, I'm not saying I 'deserve' anything more than others, but I will not concede it is due to luck. No-one on this thread knows my personal circumstances. I had to leave university without a degree due to a serious eating disorder. I have had to fight tooth and nail to get where I am, against stigma and prejudice. It has not been a charmed life.
And I am angry that on a thread about fucking handbags I feel I have to defend myself against so many snippy comments. I have not sneered at anyone's choices, nor would I.
Amber - sorry about your ED and leaving university - I appreciate that must have been very difficult.
But still I do think that many successful people will admit to there being an element of luck involved, being in the right place at the right time etc. It does not denigrate what people achieve but equally it just accepts that some people work very hard, doing 2 or 3 jobs but they're just very badly paid.
Golly, S&B is like fight club at the moment. Olivia will be on any second with peace and love.
Morethan I too buy particular brands for taste and quality and if there is a less expensive option I too will take it. This applies to bags. I am not slavishly buying 'only designer'. But a brand label is a brand label be it teabags, cornflakes, shoes or lipstick. There is no escaping from it.
As for buying 'expensive'. I'm not trying to persuade anybody to buy a particular brand over another. But it is not impossible to buy good and lasting on a lower income. There Are reputable sellers of used yet good quality bags/shoes/whatever online. There are loads of excellent High Street brands with bags that will last for years and should anybody here wish for a discussion on upon this, come to MNVogue thread where we are non combative and keen to help. I do not work in the city although I work ina city in MH. I do not earn 'big bucks' but I am a great bargain hunter and what I buy works damn hard for me.
Yes luck must play a part for some (and that is very much a class issue in this country too or nepotism) but it did not for me and many others I know.
MrsCampbell I bought my sister a fabric Marc Jacobs tote for £45 on TheOutnet six years ago and it is still going strong. She carts the kitchen sink equivalent within and the strap stitching hasn't even started to show wear and tear. Remarkable value really considering she uses it every day as her work bag. (Puts her community medical stuff in it which weighs tons.)
My current favourites are a straw stripey Missoni here, this Marc Jacobs, this from MerciParis and a vintage Cerrutti bought from EBay for £12 here. I love them all and most were bought on sale.
And for all our label conscious people who just have to have the latest thang
here it is.
No longer do you need to use that boring old foil. Use this and channel your inner Anna Wintour as you cook.
Bloody hell, this thread has got to me so much I have finally joined Mumsnet!
I love clothes and fashion. I cant afford designer stuff but I get pleasure from looking. I enjoy Vogue (the magazine and the MN threads) and browsing in high end shops. Im currently weighing up whether to splurge on the new Me and Em box pleat skirt. So I have to be careful but Im not skint either.
However there are aspects of the industry that I hate: the way it preys on womens body insecurities. And its ethics stink. Mignonette made some good points about high street fashion and tax dodger Philip Green but higher prices don't always = more ethical; from what I can gather some designers have pretty shoddy practices too. It's a mess and were all complicit.
There are times when I feel positively queasy about it all. The other week I was eyeing up Victoria Beckham dresses - at £1,300 a pop - and I had to come away. The same thing can happen in TK Maxx when I look at these piles of cheap stuff that nobody really needs.... So no, I dont give all my spare money to charity and I dont buy everything from People Tree (cos I dont like their stuff) but I feel bad about it at times. That may make me hypocritical but I prefer conflicted!
Anyway, while Higgs may not have expressed herself very endearingly, I think I get some of what she was saying. The way some people piled in on her (and then went onto the Vogue thread to high five each other) made me feel very uncomfortable.
I could also seriously do without people on mahoosive incomes telling me how hard they work thank you very much.
It would be great to have proper discussions about this on Style and Beauty. Its depressing that threads about the politics of fashion either die off for lack of interest or descend into these bun fights.
I'm not on a massive income. I am a nurse. Going to tell me I have been lucky?
Yes Flo you make valid points. I try to buy with some discernment and yes I am as vulnerable to the insidious messages that much of fashion and style industry has been accused of promulgating. Not all my purchases would stand up to ethical scrutiny but I try my best and use what litle voice I have within the industry via friends and family employed within to suggest change.
But on our thread we are nothing but welcoming to newbies and validate the choices of everybody. Those that dish out unpleasantness cannot expect anything other than a sharp retort. Shame you found us discussing that so uncomfortable for you. We found it pretty uncomfortable reading what was directed at Amber, a woman who has done nothing but try to make her love of fashion accessible at all price points.
As for Victoria Beckham and the prices. Yes they are high. But her company is an international success story in a growth industry and we cannot expect to be able to afford everything. To be honest if you were to try to justify 90% of what we in Britain and the West buy to the developing world you'd be on a sticky wicket. Our food, the petrol we buy, clothing, leisure (and god only knows how we'd justify alcohol expenditure), our homes and their contents, the toys and babycare crap we buy....It is all excessive when compared to somebody....I give to charity and I work for charity in my spare time (training and education in the health&social care fields for disadvantaged youth) and I try to do the right thing where I can, when I can. But lucky? Well compared to the developing world, yes I am. And so are the poorest in our British society too.
So people on above-average incomes are not allowed to:
- admit that they work hard and were not born into a trust fund
- buy themselves expensive handbags as it is immoral and they ought to be given every last farthing to charity
- object to being called middle class harpies.
Cool, we know where we stand.
I actually feel really disappointed in myself for baring my soul and doubtless giving out more ammunition.
Not everyone has said that Amber.
A handful of posters have posted comments that are questioning, insulting, sneery or judgmental.
Vitriol and judgement has also been thrown back from some other posters.
Most posters just answered the OP/asked about Mulberry's quality these days.
I'm sorry you felt the need to share your back story as I have no doubt you work hard and have every right to spend your income how you see fit, without justifying it here. I hope you're not subject to any attacks because of this.
flo we see give the money to charity remark very often an bag threads,of course we all give to charity,so it was totally uncalled for.
I cannot believe my thread has turned into this!
I was just interested to know how much we pay for our handbags.
I do not feel it is wrong to spend ££££ or £ on bags.
I am still looking for a bag by the way.
For those of you who think it's wrong spending a lot of money on a handbag, do you think it's just as wrong spending a lot of money on a car, instead of getting the cheaper alternative?
Is it just as wrong spending money on an Audi or Mercedes instead of a Skoda or Kia?
You have unleashed a beast Bumblequeen! What sort of bag are you looking for and dare you mention your budget?
Bumble Come over to the MNVogue threead. We never flame anybody posing questions like yours and there is a lot of bag discussion.
I personally won't buy any more Mulberry because the last two bags I have purchased have looked not so good after a while. I have a leopard calf hair Alexa. an Ox leather Roxanne, an Edie in oak. The Alexa looks like it has been mauled by a bloody cheetah TBH although it is some years old now.
I adore Loewe bags and they are absolute masters of leather. Better than Italian leatherworkers (and some will disagree). However Bottega Veneta are great too as are Smythson, Longchamp, Radley (the plainer leather styles) and of course LV. Celine make classic yet directional bags which are much adored by fashion folks. The Americans are making great bags. I have a Proenza Schouler PS1 that I use in the Winter and for bulkier work stuff. here it is. And it comes in less jazzy colours too.
Do you want classic muted style or something quirkier? What about colour? Style? What will you mainly use it for? How large is the biggest item you will need it to carry? Do you want understated or no logo?
Bumble - bag threads are the ff/bf of S&B, they never end well
I bought a hobbs bag last year - its clearly trying to be a Celine but was a lot less. The leather is lovely quality so worth looking in Hobbs for bags. Also they normally do a 20% off code several times a year.
If money was no object, I'd have this or the Tom Ford one which Jennifer Aniston has.
Mig, thank you, I agree that the Vogue threads are friendly and I enjoy Amber's posts - and her blog. If I knew her as well as some of you seem to, I would probably have defended her too. But the poster concerned was merely expressing an opinion about high spending that a lot of people (including some of my friends and family) would probably support! I agree that some of what she said was sneery and provocative but there was also a point where she seemed to apologise (at least that was how I read it) and still people kept on piling in.
I have a lot of time for Victoria Beckham by the way (and the dress was gorgeous!). I'm not saying my queasiness is rational but it's how both the high end and the cheap end of fashion make me feel at times. I love it but I also think it stinks.
Amber, I am sorry that you were attacked, it wasn't right.
I didn't see an apology but if I missed one then of course it could have been dropped. But I came to this thread late last night and wanted to express both my opinion and support for*Amber*.
Santa, yes I agree that the remarks about giving to charity were uncalled for. But I think that some of the other points (the ones that weren't personal) were perfectly valid and could have led to an interesting discussion.
I like clothes as much as anyone on this thread but I am also interested in the politics of fashion and think it's a shame that, whenever it comes up, there is so much judginess on the one side and defensiveness on the other.
Very interesting thread! Bunfight aside of course.
I've had just about every major label you can think of, except Chanel. Mulberry, Vuitton, Gucci, Prada, Miu Miu, Dior. Most were pre-loved because I found that back when I was working and could afford such things, I was far too precious about a brand-new bag and it was better to have one that had been worn-in a little.
Currently most expensive bag is a Balenciaga Classique bought on eBay for just over £100. Amazingly, it's genuine too. The bag I use all the time is a Miu Miu nylon East-West bag with end pockets and leather straps. It's indestructible and water-resistant (essential in Scotland!)
Bumble queen don't know your budget, or what colour/design youre looking for, but I've just bought
this in black for autumn at McArthurglen outlet in York for £209 and £20 off at till, £189. Lovely quality, big, loads of pockets, fabulous leather.....no naff dog.
about £50 for an everyday bag. I second TKMAXX
If the thread has gone this way...
I would happily pay £100 for a handbag to use everyday... I do not have lots of money... in fact I would be considered in poverty by government standards of living <rolls eyes>. I am good with my money and budget in some areas to enjoy other areas. I don't use higher purchase or anything like that. Handbags is something I enjoy so I will pay for it. It's got jack all to do with what your job pays, how you've been brought up etc. It's about what you enjoy and where you chose to spend whatever money you have. It's nobody's damn business if I would prefer a nice handbag once in a while than biscuits, fizzy and crisps every week. Why do people get so judgey about such petty things?
I have a lovely unknown ..in UK I think ... black and brown suede bag by Loxwood it is nice and smart for everyday and has tasteful silver metal trim. It always gets commented on. I have noticed the outlet shops do fantastic deals at the moment? If you are based near a South West trains network I think they are doing destination deals at present so you could get yourself down to Gunwharf Quays, Fiorelli, Modalu, Osprey, etc all at reasonable prices.
Been sitting on my hands as afraid of being labelled as spelling Nazi, but can now no longer resist... SuckAtRelationships, it's hire purchase, not higher.
Not saying how much I spend because it's awful, but wanted to second MadameOvary about picking up bargains on ebay. You can always get BN bags for less.
Just bought a BN Michael Kors there & the saving makes me feel virtuous.
Love designer bags but sadly can't afford them! The most I ever spent on a bag was £40 and it was from River Island.
I have a genuine FAKE Chanel bag though haha, would loveee to have the real deal someday...someday far away I expect!
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This last post read like an ad. I have reported it.
I'm in austerity measures at present ;-)
I've bought 2 bags this Autumn: A boden leather satchel type bag which I got with stacked discount codes for around £50 and a Cath Kidston bird print oil cloth bag that has handles and a longer across body strap. Also around £50. I often lust after Mulberry but reviews on here put me off which is just as well being as I'm on a spending ban!!
Last night, I bought a coated canvas bag from a souvenir/china shop on Regent St. It was from the V&A (think "winter floral" print) and was reduced to £10. It will be used for snacks / other crap the DCs cart about and will hang off the pram, but I think my transformation into daggy, stingy mummy is almost complete. Dear, dear me.
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