The Crepe Escape

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Cremolafoam Thu 16-May-13 22:48:55

We were getting to the

hattymattie Fri 17-May-13 06:43:04

Well done - Crem - I could feel the pressure of nearing the end of the thread and didn't want to be the last poster. I can never think of snappy thread titles. Cool Namesmile

Wilbur - just to add to the others - your thread was lovely and really thought provoking. Although personally I'd quite like to go like your Mum with all my faculties intact.

My Dad called me about "putting his affairs in order" having recently been to a family event where he was very shocked by an uncle with dementia who is his age. So it's all very jolly at the moment.

For me the difficulty is being so far away from them that I can't help and support them as they would like.

bigTillyMint Fri 17-May-13 06:58:52

Great thread title Cremo!

Stropperella Fri 17-May-13 07:14:43

Fab thread title, Crem!
MrsS, I do hope all the lazy sods at your current workplace fall flat on their faces once you are no longer there to prop them up and that this comes to the attention of some seriously senior.
I woke up at 5 this morning feeling guilty about not missing my dad. confused

Blackduck Fri 17-May-13 07:30:57

Great thread titlesmile

BTM - speech wise mum is a bit slurry but I think this is down to fact her mouth/throat is sore where they incubated and she is, to put it mildly, knackered. She has a bit of memory loss, but again nothing major at the mo. I was joking that she is clearly feeling better because my dad is irritating her grin
I am in awe of NHS and everyone we have come across who are so patient and dedicated.
I live the furthest away from my folks and am going to need to go home at some point (job and ds), so we'll have to sort out rotas and all that. Dad is cancelling holidays and whatnot today (makes him feel he is in control) and by brothers have been fab. I now feel guilty that ds is an onlie and if that happened to me he'd be coping on his own. I want to go like my great aunt - in an instant whilst getting ready for bed.

MrsS how come no one has called AB?, how come he has got to sheer he is without anyone realising he is a total (nasty) waste if space? Good luck with the jobs!!

Stropps don't feel guilty about your dad.

beachyhead Fri 17-May-13 09:07:09

Good luck with your phone calls this morning Mrs S. Even AB will become more bearable when you can start your 'count down to freedom!'. Once your new job is sorted, it will all just fall into place.

BD, glad to hear your mum is getting better. Being irritated by your dad is a sure sign of improvement...

Wibur, your post really moved me. When I lost my mum five years ago, she was the healthiest, funniest, most energetic of all the four gparents. She should have been the last to go. I do miss her, but I have a different and better relationship with my dad now (who is disabled) as we have spent so much more time together.

A week today, we will have completed the bulk of the GCSE's. Another 'passing of time' milestone! I will have a child doing major exams in nine of the next twelve years.....Definite increase in crepeyness alert grin

bigTillyMint Fri 17-May-13 09:33:17

MrsS, adding my best wishes with sorting your new job and getting away from AB and all his crap. Is he English?

BD glad to hear about your DM. Mine suffered from her speech being affected permanently - not slurred but she has word-finding difficulties and muddles personal pronouns. I think she also finds it more difficult to follow what someone else is saying. However, that is all and it doesn't really have much of an impact on her life, thankfully!

Beachy, that is fab - finishing the GCSE's I mean

herbaceous Fri 17-May-13 10:21:06

I have to confess, Wilbur's post made me cry. But then I am feeling more than usually emotional about my parents.

You know that book I've been making for my mum? Well, I sent it off all in good time, and was told it was on its way. Went out on Tuesday, and returned to a card saying UPS had tried to deliver it, and with a ring round option a - to go and pick it up from the nearest depot. Which of course isn't 'near', but in Barking. So off I go to Barking on Wednesday, only to be told that it's being redelivered. So I go home, only to find another card saying they missed me.

So I phone up, and the automated thingo says it will be delivered Thursday. So, I stay in all day, only for it to be 'left at the depot'. Someone forgot to put it on the van. So I phone up and rant madly at an operative, and they've promised faithfully it will be here this afternoon. If it doesn't arrive, I am going to cry.

wilbur Fri 17-May-13 10:29:45

BD - glad to hear about the improvement, I'm sure her early treatment will have helped enormously. My uncle had a stroke some years ago, which luckily his wife spotted straight away (always good to be married to an ER nurse smile) and although it was quite serious initially, he has recovered amazingly, and like BTM's mum, just has some word recall issues towards the end of the day when he's tired.

Thanks for all your nice words about my mum and dad (Stropps, I didn't mean to make you feel guilty!), it's nice to be able to talk about them a bit here. In RL when you say you miss someone you haven't seen for 16 or 10 years, people can be a bit hmm. And, as I said, there is a distinct sense now, alongside the loss, of having been spared something, or at least a relief that I won't have to do it again, the dashes to hospital and the worry. I feel such sympathy for those who are going through it now. For myself, on the days when I can convince myself I won't die at 60, I am planning a reckless and ridiculous old age, as pay back for having to be fully grown up before I was ready. So you are all invited to my 61st birthday party, which will be the kick off point for adventures and misbehaviour. grin

Oooh, and in other news, dh has been made permanent at work (he's been on rolling contracts since he started last April). Yay! They are also restructuring his dept a bit and he should get some juniors to help with the workload, so life will ease off for him a bit.

MrsS - everything crossed for good job news for you too.

Cremolafoam Fri 17-May-13 12:33:43

Herbs raaaaaaaagh at the post office for you. This is the kind of nonsense that gives you grey hairs. Please make the book turn up today.confused

Bd that's the exact barometer of how my parents health is. If they are snipping at each other, then all is right with the world. So hope your mum gets better as the weekend progresses.

Mrs S all the best with job applications . It will be a huge relief to get away from AB.

Dh finally had a good nights sleep last night. For the first time in about 3 months . He seems calmer today as a result. There is vague talk of grass being cut in the jungle garden.
This is very positivesmile

bigTillyMint Fri 17-May-13 13:15:20

Herbs howangry and fingers crossed - I am very lucky to have kind neighbours who take stuff in for me and the post office depot is on my way to work, but I once had to trek off somewhere to rescue my new Kenwood Chef. It was worth it!

Wilbur, sympathies to you. I like the sound of your 61st though! And congrats to your DHflowers

bigTillyMint Fri 17-May-13 13:17:27

Cremo, grass cutting is good! Is it dry enough where you are? It's very grey here.

Cremolafoam Fri 17-May-13 13:39:53

Just about BTM . Although still very chilly. I am so ashamed of the garden at the minute that I keep drawing the blinds. Dh is standing out in the --overgrown weed display--veg patch looking disconsolate. May have to steer him back inside.sad simply cannot watch Chelsea Flower Show this year without feeling envy and pathetic .
Farmer is out putting slurry on the fields so it must be going to rain soon.hmm

motherinferior Fri 17-May-13 13:40:07

Vile, isn't it, BTM.

Herbs, that is PANTS. Wilbur, good for DH. BD, great news about your mum.

Stropperella Fri 17-May-13 14:31:01

Wilbur - many congrats to your DH. And don't worry about me and my loony early-morning guilt-trip: my remark was only meant to express my utter bemusement at my ridiculous subconscious which is clearly working while I am asleep to dream up new nonsensical things for things for me to be neurotic about. smile Anyway, live long and prosper grin and may you have a jolly fine 61st b-day and many thereafter.

MrsS, best of luck and I hope something turns up very soon to make the last few weeks in AB's company somewhat bearable.

Crem, hope the upward trend continues for your dh. And the grass gets cut. smile

Herbs, hope the book is winging its way to you right now.

BD, hope the good news keeps on coming.

Dd has suddenly come over super-studious: there are science revision notes plastered all over the house in the strangest places (found one on the muesli box in the larder this morning) and ds was particularly enjoying reading about photosynthesis from the notes on the wall in the loo this morning. hmm Dd got up early and went in to school for maths club at 8am. I happened to see her teacher later (during an exam) and he said "Oh yes, we ate pastries and discussed some stuff". I'd probably go into school an hour early for free cakes. grin

herbaceous Fri 17-May-13 14:39:54

BTM - usually most of our parcels end up at the neighbours, but Apple (maker of the book) stipulates it won't deliver 'high value' items to non-addressees. Without signing a form, anyway.

Right. It's supposed to arrive between 2.30 and 5.30 today. Or I'll be chopping some knackers off.

herbaceous Fri 17-May-13 16:21:29

Breathe easy, and stand down. The book has arrived! Naturally I now see lots of errors, such as putting vital pictures too close to the gutter, etc, but that's the peril of a publishing background I guess.

Amusingly, my sis had ordered a huge cake in the shape of an 80. She's currently having her house extended and knocked around, and left the cake in what she thought was a safe corner. She returned from the school run to find her Albania carpenter has eaten a big chunk out of the 8. My how she laughed. Her head builder is now frantically driving around Surrey in search of a replacement.

bigTillyMint Fri 17-May-13 16:28:34


shock at piece being eaten - cheeky fukcer!

herbaceous Fri 17-May-13 16:31:23

He apparently didn't realise it wasn't for him - instructions got lost in translation - and was in tears when he realised what he'd done...

bigTillyMint Fri 17-May-13 16:34:38

hmm How could he have thought a massive 80 cake in a posh box could possibly have been for him?

Oh well, I'm sure your DM will see the funny sidewink

motherinferior Fri 17-May-13 16:50:02

Can you bridge the gap with sealant, Ruby-style?

wilbur Fri 17-May-13 17:10:51

Wow, your sister must have some scary looks, herbs, you don't reduce Albanians to tears easily! Although I would have expired on the spot in a huge explosion of rage and panic, so double credit to her for getting the builder to sort out a replacement and not just killing him. If all else fails, I suggest some fancy cupcakes arranged on a nice board (which the builders can certainly supply, sanded and painted) in the shape of an 80?

Crem, glad dh is feeling incrementally better - lawn mowing is very therapeutic. Dh usually does it with headphones in and the world tuned out. I always feel envy at Chelsea Flower Show on the tv too. I'd love to go one year but I'd probably end up buying something ridiculous - an entire rose garden or water feature or 600 bulbs. I have been enjoying the random stuff that has come up in our garden this spring though, all of which we just missed last year as it was before we moved in. We have masses of a type of wild garlic, which is very pretty if a bit smelly, and even had a load of frittillaries (sp?) pop up. And from a distance, even the nettles and moss look lovely shades of green.

motherinferior Fri 17-May-13 17:24:42

I am sniggering because lovely fellow-mum tells me DD1's pic is all over the boys' comp - both girls did a music course there at Easter, and the school is v keen to have photographic evidence of Coeducational Activities. So there is apparently one of DD1 'looking v studious'.

I am secretly wondering whether this will lead to Admirers as I am obviously convinced DD1 is the most gorgeous 12 year old on the planet grin

MrsSchadenfreude Fri 17-May-13 17:59:57

LOL at the cake - indeed, how could he possibly have thought it was for him?

I am on megadose of antibiotics for an unpleasant infection. Doc said I had got to him just in time, as if I had left it any later, it would have had to have been iv antibiotics. If no better I have to go back on Monday. sad Not sure if I can drink with them, either. sadsad

The DDs have gone to the school dance. DD2, who has "interesting" dress sense has gone in a yellow T shirt, with a picture of sushi on the front and the slogan "this is how I roll" teamed with short denim shorts and red knee high Converse. And her hair is loose, so we will be having screaming tomorrow when it is brushed (it is bum length and curly and knots easily). DD1 looks positively staid in comparison. I offer her up as competition with the Inferiorette as most gorgeous 12 year old on the planet. (Actually they do look a bit alike!)

motherinferior Fri 17-May-13 18:27:35

oh dear I just exhaustedly sent someone an email grumbling about her, intended for someone else, and am having to do some fancy footwork telling lies to get out of it.

bigTillyMint Fri 17-May-13 20:27:44


I am sooooo exhausted. Just one more Friday and then it will be bettersmile

Cremolafoam Fri 17-May-13 21:21:07

Oh wibur we have the wild garlic too( called ransomes here) I use the flower pompom heads in salad. Also the leaves with spuds make fantastic soup ! Very jealous of fritillaries- I love the snakes head one like chequer board stylee. I planted a cottage garden when we moved in thinking it would be self sufficient , but honestly its backbreaking pulling out dandelions and bindweed from between the nice plants.
Was just watching Donty Mon on gardeners world and feeling like a failure. grin...

Rofl at cake. That's hilarious and tragic in equal measure.grin

Cremolafoam Fri 17-May-13 21:24:05

sorry to hear you're poorly mrs s. sad
mI is the email situation rescuable?blush

bigTillyMint Fri 17-May-13 21:39:36

MrsS is not that illwink!

MrsSchadenfreude Fri 17-May-13 21:58:02

No, I'm not that ill. smile But hopefully won't have to schlep back to the quack on Monday. (It's lymphangitis.)

CointreauVersial Fri 17-May-13 23:42:57

Having started the "sandwich generation" debate, I now realise I must have the youngest DM out of all of us - she's only 68. DDad, and the two Steps are ten years older, and they have all thrown the odd scare at me..... BD - good to hear your DM is out of the woods.

Just back from the Football Awards night, staggering under the weight of two more trophies for DS (including Manager's Player of the Year), three bottles of wine for DH (for helping with coaching), and a whole case for me (as I have resigned as Club Secretary after three years). Cheers!

grin at the cake-scoffing Albanian. And Herbs, forget the giant knickers, get yourself some of that Lanacane Antichafing Gel. Marvellous stuff (so they say....).

Blackduck Sat 18-May-13 06:17:19

Ha ha to cake - like something out of a sit com!

MrsS where did you get the sushi t shirt - ds would love one! (And I apparently owe him one as I gave his fav away - it was too small)

My old garden was a nightmare - too big, my new one is tiny by the patch of lawn is still 8 foot high - need to borrow a lawn mower.

MI - whoops - I did that to my boss last week, luckily nothing incriminating so I passed it off as me having a Doah moment grin

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 18-May-13 07:58:56

this is DD2's T shirt, BD. We got it from TK Maxx for £5.99 rather than pay £20 for the same thing in the David and Goliath shop in Covent Garden.

hattymattie Sat 18-May-13 08:14:21

Just watching Scooby Doo with DS. Daphne appears to be wearing sexy negligé shock. I don't know what the world's coming too.

MI - I read a book where somebody demolished their career by sending out a multiple e-mail accidently - can't remember the title now.

I was wondering if our parents ran around after their children as much as we do. We seem to be permanently driving organising our children. I have to go to La Defense to get prom shoes for DD2 today so blocking entire afternoon. We really need to be looking at shower tiles for leaky shower. After DH needs new suit as his old lightweight one is full of holes. Want to go to M&S but no time (unless it's open Monday) - yet another bank Holiday here <--*NB Mrs S*. DS's school is doing a 'pont' which mean no school on Tuesday. Wednesday no school anyway so I can't do normal errands until Thursdayhmm And I want to get my haircut (stamps foot).

hattymattie Sat 18-May-13 08:17:13

Please ignore grammar errors like"too" instead of "to". blush. Also don't know why my bolds aren't working.

Stropperella Sat 18-May-13 08:46:55

shock at the carpenter scoffing the special cake. Hope a good resolution has been found.
MrsS, that doesn't sound like a nice thing you have. Hope the antibiotics cocktail does the trick.grin
CV, your mother is only 3 years older than dh. Still, I am used to the fact that dh is older than the parents of many of my younger mum-friends.
Am off to try out a high-intensity workout at the flash new leisure centre whilst dcs are swimming. Then am skiving off school fair (dh likes attending these things; I don`t) in order to dig the garden in preparation for arrival of chickens.

Stropperella Sat 18-May-13 08:59:23

Hatty, I know for sure that my parents didn't spend any time driving/organising us once we were over 10 or so. This was, however, not a particularly good thing, IMO. I try to find the happy medium, but don`t always manage it smile

motherinferior Sat 18-May-13 09:52:07

Appear to have salvaged email sitch. Phew.

Went out with school mums last night and feel slightly fragile. Partly because I sat around listening to naff country music when I got home, very happily, till 1am. Must however press on. Perhaps more music will help....

Cremolafoam Sat 18-May-13 10:56:07

Hattie I hear you on the running dc's around thing. We have done a fair bit in our time. Violin, swimming, guides, singing, and latterly her pt job.We always knew it was going to be the case with this house( which is miles from anywhere)
So far all attempts at teaching dd to drive have failed. We have her late mums old bike here ( big Dutch thing) which I am going to have reconditioned for her birthday in July. (Hopeful emoticon)grin
Those BH sound like a nightmare.
although dd is off on 'study leave' ATM which means the fridge is constantly bareshock
Cv well done on the footy front. I'm sure it will be nice to retire from all the organising smile

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 18-May-13 10:57:11

I have just had my hair cut. It is very short and very blonde and very curly. Am a bit shock at it.

motherinferior Sat 18-May-13 10:59:18


MrsSchadenfreude Sat 18-May-13 11:05:34

Yes, quite, MI. Exactly like that. And hair is almost the colour of the smiley.

We are off to a First Communion lunch today. Being largely heathen, I thought I would leave it to the left footers to buy the rosary beads and bibles. A very dear MN friend thought along the same lines as me - she has bought the child a skipping rope and a recorder; I have got her a spacehopper. grin

motherinferior Sat 18-May-13 11:14:06

AIBU to decide that I should agree gracefully to hive off part of a potentially nightmare project to someone else? I may lose a small amount of money over it but will get peace of mind...

Cremolafoam Sat 18-May-13 11:19:29

Mrs S lol at spacehopper. I'm sure hair is gorgeous.
Hiving off project sounds v reasonable to me. Delegation is very wise IMO

bigTillyMint Sat 18-May-13 11:44:30

MI do it - life is too short!

MrsS, I'm sure your hair is not too short and looks fab. And am liking the spacehopper!

So remember the boringness of revision - food/sunbathing kept me going IIRC. The weather was different back in the day. Even up North!

motherinferior Sat 18-May-13 11:52:25

Yep, I think that's the way to go.

beachyhead Sat 18-May-13 13:42:44

Hope the 80 cake is back in working order. When I told DH, he helpfully suggested filling in the hole with cardboard or foam and not letting anyone take that bit grin

Chickens, Stropps... Welcome to the chicken keepers. We have 5 and a visiting one, who come every day from next door to play date with our gang!

We are doing too much children running around today with not much thanks. I am in a bad mood!

beachyhead Sat 18-May-13 13:43:30

I want short blonde curly hair, Mrs S.. envy

Blackduck Sat 18-May-13 18:57:53

Don't chickens wreak your garden?
I am on my way home leaving mum in the capable hands of my ferocious sil and soup making brother (the food is dire and even the nurses recommend bringing in your own - my mother however is worried someone might get offended if she doesn't eat the -swill- dinner they dish up!)
I have been pondering families and the things we do, how we perceive each other and all that. My patents always protect my oldest DB whereas I tell him like it is, my mum protects my dad and everyone things my youngest DB is the toughie when I think he's the softie - strange things families.,.

Blackduck Sat 18-May-13 18:59:32

Apologies for typos - iPhone, three/four days of little sleep and a LARGE g&t smile

CointreauVersial Sat 18-May-13 19:39:57

BD - you are forgiven for typos; enjoy the

DH and I are just getting settled on the sofa for an evening of Eurovision. It is DH's most favourite thing; he scores each act and revels in every camp minute. I found some leftover coconut milk in the fridge, and have mixed myself a pint of pina colada, so quite frankly it will all be washing over me by 8.30pm. grin wine

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 18-May-13 19:59:47

The spacehopper went down a storm with the kids. DD1 and I got the bus afterwards to So Ouest and M & S. DD1 got some new clothes in Uniqlo and I bought some jeans that fit me in M & S. I am notorious for buying clothes that are too big for me (as MI will tell you). When I was back in UK I bought two pairs of the "body shape" jeans in size 20. They seemed OK in the shop. A week on, when they had been worn in, they don't even stay up. They don't fit anywhere at all - the legs are too big, the bum is too big, the waist is too big. Why did I buy size 20 jeans? I have never been a size 20 in jeans. So today I bought size 18. They fit. Once they have "given a bit" they will fit even better. I didn't even try on the bloody size 18s first time round. Why? My entire bloody wardrobe is full of skirts that are too big and voluminous tops. I seem to do a bit better with dresses - I have some that fit, and actually look quite nice. I should not be allowed to shop on my own.

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 18-May-13 20:00:27

I also have knickers that are too big and tights that fall down as well. sad

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 18-May-13 20:01:06

FFS, I am 48 and can't even dress myself properly. grinangry

Stropperella Sat 18-May-13 20:06:36

We have 130ft of garden and the 60ft is fenced off from the rest to stop the toddlers (back in the days when we had them) from falling in the wildlife pond and to prevent the dog from exterminating the wildlife and digging up the veg in the larger section of the garden. We will be fencing off a 28ft by 7ft area in this latter bit for the chickens so they won't snarf my veggies and poo in the wildlife pond. Or get eaten by the dog or a fox (may need to be an electric fence, apparently). I have to dig all the pernicious weeds lovely flowers out of the chicken area first and will sow some grass seed. Then we are going on a chicken-keeping course grin and then we will get our chooks at the beginning of July. Dh thinks this is a great plan. Mainly because he got sick of viewing the weeds in the garden - when I didn't have time to remove them last year and he couldn't be arsed. hmm And also foresees a time of plenty in the quiche dept.

Beachy, dd would like to know how your neighbour's chicken comes round to hang out with yours. smile

BD, enjoy the gin and have another. Am just polishing off second nice cold beer, am leaving Eurovision to the dcs and am off to have a nice hot bath. Which is luffly after about 10 months of tepid ones. We finally got the heat exchanger on the boiler flushed out yesterday. Yay.

Stropperella Sat 18-May-13 20:09:47

Eh, MrsS, I am also 48 and can't dress myself properly either. I still manage to buy all my knickers in the wrong size (they would fall down if I didn't wear trousers all the time). Well done on the jeans grin

Stropperella Sat 18-May-13 20:23:10

Would just like to add: I have had yet another unfortunate hair cut (I blardy give up). I am currently looking like Crystal Tipps <sigh>

Blackduck Sat 18-May-13 22:05:55

On second gin - on Stropps orders smile
My hair cut hasn't changed in 20 years (short back and sides - I hate the hair dressers)

I had 130 foot garden, I now have a sliver grin
Mum dined on sea bass and yoghurt (not together) curtesy of my brother - food like this on a daily basis and she won't go home grin

wilbur Sat 18-May-13 22:12:17

Am watching Eurovision. Love it. ROFL.grin

wilbur Sat 18-May-13 22:14:28

Have also drunk quite a lot of wine and declared love for the Iceland Viking and the teeny delicious man from Azerbaijan.

rubyrubyruby Sat 18-May-13 22:19:51

I've just walked up our high street swigging wine from a plastic glass <<classy>>

Love the thread title

........ beyond tired.

beachyhead Sat 18-May-13 22:21:51

Stropps, apparently the chicken next door, who we call Miranda, is over for a sleepover tonight! We have five who have two houses between them, courtesy of a friends divorce, in a caged area about 40ft by 40ft, but they only stay in there if friends dogs are over or tonnes of small children. Other than that they are free to roam, but we do have a big garden!
So we tried to have Miranda (who is an only chicken next door) to stay over for Christmas, but she kept wandering home. We have a sort of wire plus wood fence, big enough to stop dogs wandering, but not chickens.

So now she comes everyday, to hang out, and sometimes sleeps over!

The neighbours are pretty cool and don't have a problem with long term adoption!

CointreauVersial Sat 18-May-13 22:28:25

Don't you have foxes, Beachy? Any wandering chicken round here wouldn't last ten minutes.

Eurovision-wise, DH rated Malta and Denmark, and we both fell off the sofa laughing at the can-canning Greeks singing "Alcohol is Free", and the ridiculous falsetto from Romania.

motherinferior Sat 18-May-13 22:35:43

Love Iceland and Malta though the very bizarre and disturbing man in plastic box also intrigued me. I myself have been experimenting with mango Bellinis (ie Aldi prosecco and tinned mango purée). I can report that they are a thing of great loveliness.

motherinferior Sat 18-May-13 22:37:24

Icelandic bloke looks exactly like Icelandic bloke I know, which is hardly surprising given the statistical likelihood that they are related.

wilbur Sat 18-May-13 22:39:09

We liked plucky Malta too. Oh, and here comes the Abba tribute.

motherinferior Sat 18-May-13 22:40:38

I have retired to bed after yesterday's 1pm bedtime!

rubyrubyruby Sat 18-May-13 22:41:15

No Eurovision in this house.

I've always fancied the idea of chickens but the truth is I don't like them much and we don't eat that many eggs,

beachyhead Sat 18-May-13 22:52:03

I'm still with Eurovision, and our foxes seem to come at night, so far... Had three years with no daylight attacks! All down to having dogs and boys who pee in the garden regularly, apparently! We did see a fox once, but told the dog to see it off, which she looked a bit surprised about( as in, he's my brother!), but she did, so maybe it works!

Others in the village have lost loads, but we are very diligent about lock in at dusk.

rubyrubyruby Sun 19-May-13 04:41:02

<<sigh>> can't sleep, racing heart, one glass too many and craving toast!
...... actually, a peanut butter sandwich would be my food of choice right now.

It's my age.

hattymattie Sun 19-May-13 07:58:59

Well - we went to see Gatsby in an attempt to avoid Eurovision and came home and still managed to catch most of it with the kids. Romania was a special treatsmile. Don't know about the critics but I thought Gatsby was fab - great acting all round. My only criticism was the rap music hmm.

On hair - I'm wondering whether to give up and go grey - I should mention I did this last year and felt so like an old lady I chickened out. I think it only works if I'm wearing make up the whole time.

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 19-May-13 09:23:56

One of my work colleagues, who works in a different office and visits us intermittently has gone completely grey. She is three years younger than me (I know her quite well - we worked together when we were in our 20s) and has a bit of a "staid" haircut. One of my team was chatting to her, and asking her if she was looking forward to her retirement - she is leaving, but not retiring, obv, as she is only 45. She looked a bit puzzled and I said, glaring at team member "I think J thought you were taking redundancy, not early retirement, obviously." He said to me later that he had assumed she was coming up for 60. She has great skin, and I think if her hair was still dark, or even just cut in a more "edgy" style, people would probably think she was younger than she is. I think grey hair that isn't ageing is difficult to get right. But equally, the shades of old lady brown, old lady blonde and old lady red, sported by my mother and her friends, also look wrong. It's a tough one!

rubyrubyruby Sun 19-May-13 09:27:38

<<books hair appt>>

rubyrubyruby Sun 19-May-13 09:33:40

Hattie - I've been attempting to go grey in a very half hearted way.
I have compromised by having lots of hi lights and lo lights. So not covering it but more working with it iykwim. I used to have to root touchup every 3-4 weeks but no longer have to do that in between visits to the hairdressers.

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 19-May-13 10:37:28

Well I am having a fun day. hmm The shelves holding all of my cookery books have collapsed, and I now need to find room for them and the other assorted shit in that cupboard. I have stacked up the cookery books in the kitchen, behind the table, and am redistributing the other junk around the flat. I was a bit shocked at the number of cookery books I have - I don't dare count them, but if I tell you that I have at least 15 Christmas cookery books alone, that will give you some idea.

Also mucking out DD2's room.

Blackduck Sun 19-May-13 10:51:18

15 Christmas cookery books? shock (surely its just turkey and all the trimmings? smile I shall tell dp I know of someone with more cookery books when he next complains. In his mega tidy up he moved my cookery books and I did look at them this morning and think 'I haven't got that many' (I am now wondering if he didn't charity shop a few in my absence)
I am, as those who have met me, a greyduck rather than a Blackduck - QQ and I discussed this at the last meet. I started going grey at 14 (very slowly) and just really haven't thought about it. I also loathe hairdressers with a passion so anything more than 39 mins every six weeks would kill me.

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 19-May-13 10:55:07

Well having just peered into a well-lit mirror, my hair looks more yellow than blonde this morning, so grey probably a classier option. Will wash it, and part it differently and see if that helps. It seems blonder at the roots than at the ends, bizarrely.

Cremolafoam Sun 19-May-13 11:03:03

As a whitish blonde mrs s , can I recommend a blue shampoo for cancelling out yellow in hair.
I went white( all colour vanished)very shortly after dbro died and have been Scandi blonde since. I might have let it stay white except mum was still dying hers dark at the time and she didn't want me to show her upsmile
Bleu Shampooing

bigTillyMint Sun 19-May-13 12:51:00

Glad everyone enjoyed to Eurovisionwink

I missed it as I was at my friend's 50th - she had very generously booked 25+ of us in for afternoon tea at Browns. Yummmm! And then on for cocktails. I have to say stuffing ourselves with sandwiches, scones and cakes before drinking was a great plan - no hangover despite crawling into bed at 1!

Cremolafoam Sun 19-May-13 13:09:17
MrsSchadenfreude Sun 19-May-13 13:11:36

They all look great, Crem, but it is the in-between stage that would bother me. I am not going neatly grey all over. I have random patches of greyness.

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 19-May-13 13:14:02

I have just remembered (triggered by the "poisonous food at Sainsbo's" thread that a colleague gave me a load of rhubarb on Friday, which I stuffed into my laptop bag - it is still there... must do something with it...

bigTillyMint Sun 19-May-13 13:15:39

Mmmm, I love rhubarb. Nice crumble?

Love the grey-hairstyle inspirations - they all look fabsmile

Cremolafoam Sun 19-May-13 13:16:02

Hmm agree mrs s.
Difficult one...

Doesn't Helen Mirren look spectacular shockthoughgrin

motherinferior Sun 19-May-13 13:16:28

I just bought roasting trays that are too big for the oven. Then I made a salsa verde without the essential anchovies (now rectified). Sought solace in glass of prosecco and knocked it over.

Either PMT or menopause or early onset Alzheimer's. or of course a triple whammy.

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 19-May-13 13:19:42

Why can't they make ovens standard sized? Or at least "normal" and "huge." I also have trays that won't fit in my oven.

I am making progress with the cleaning/tidying.

bigTillyMint Sun 19-May-13 13:25:34

Right MrsS, off to try out your Australian crunchie and flapjack recipes.... will report backwink

I agree, I had an IKEA tray that was huuuge - too big for my new oven so I had to chuck itsad

bigTillyMint Sun 19-May-13 14:15:32

Just phoned my DM. Was telling her about friend's 50th (not that she wanted to know anything about it) and she asked me if it is mine this year. She can't remember what year I was born. I am her only child FGS. Am I so unimportant to hersad

Don't think it's Altzheimers, though it may be... She just turns any conversation back to herself - understandable I guess, old lady on her own, but my birth year???

Will see next week when we go upsad

QueenQueenie Sun 19-May-13 15:25:27

Bloody hell BTM. If its any consolation my mum doesn't know how old I am or how old my children are. I think she does it on purpose... It does upset me but then I remember that she is a complete and utter old bag and can't expect any less from her. Chin up. X

bigTillyMint Sun 19-May-13 15:34:15

Thanks QQ.

She is not an old bag, I just do not figure in her memory. When the DC do something, she jumps straight to "I remember when I was a girl...." No memories of my childhood. MIL is always repeating telling stories of when DH and his bros were small. So this is to be expected, I guess. Still it made me shock and sad

And now worried that maybe she is developing some kind of dementia.

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 19-May-13 16:18:11

DD2 has her entrance exam and overnight stay at the new school tomorrow. DH has taken her back as AB wouldn't let me have leave. It would only have been for one day as well. Feel a bit sad that I can't be there for her, but part of me feels glad that DH is doing something useful for a change given that he has shown zero interest in anything to do with schools apart from vetoing most of my shortlist.

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 19-May-13 16:19:07

And he is now having second thoughts about this school... angry

Blackduck Sun 19-May-13 16:47:58

MrsS why is he having second thoughts? DD wants to go right? If so, and she gets in, he needs a ruddy good reason for her not to go...
And bloody hell AB is more like FAB (and no I don't mean fabulous...)


motherinferior Sun 19-May-13 17:15:40

If he is having second thoughts he can sodding well find a workable alternative, get DD2 in, and hand over the first tranche of fees, innit.

I have forced my own DD2 to do music practice. She has two instrumental exams this term. I really ought to do some myself but feel utterly zonked and homicidal at same time...

beachyhead Sun 19-May-13 17:16:52

On the basis that he didn't have first thoughts about this school, he is clearly not allowed second thoughts grin

hattymattie Sun 19-May-13 17:46:51

Why do men always do this. They are totally unhelpful at this sort of thing and then come in at the end and create havoc. I hope he doesn't communicate his réservations to your daughter Mrs S.

Good luck to her in her test. It should her choice now.

On the hair front - I'm going to colour. I think I will go grey at 55 ie. in six years - this seems suitably far away.

Cremolafoam Sun 19-May-13 18:26:10

Likewise MI dd has a music exam this Thursday at some daft time like 2.12pm or something. Don't hear any noise ( singing or violin) coming out of her room at allangry
And I'm going to have to take 2 hours leave to take her to the sodding examiner as its in a mystery church hall in an area if the city I've never heard of( WHY?)

I have pulled weeds this afternoon in the damp. I am cold shivery and overwhelmed. AIBU to light the fire in May?

motherinferior Sun 19-May-13 19:33:12

I can FINALLY hear a minimum of tootling from, deffo!

herbaceous Sun 19-May-13 19:44:55

What ho Crepeys.

Cakegate had a happy ending - the builder managed to find a pattissiere who did an invisible mend with some identical sponge and cream filling, and perfect icing. So all was well.

My book went down a storm. She even squeezed my hand while reading the gushing emotional bit I'd written, which is about as close to an admission of fondness as I'm going to get. We stayed overnight, which wasn't very restful as DS threw up at 11.30, then wouldn't go back to sleep until 2. And up at 7. I'm bushed.

My family is all insane. Other than my sister. I have a distant cousin who I can barely bear to be around. He's so opinionated, and lives on his own so is short of conversation, thus he shoehorns his boring opinions on Europe (he's joined UKIP), or whatever, into the slightest chink of a gap in whatever else anyone's talking about. I find him so irritating I can hardly look at him. I know I too am opinionated, but I'm right!

Re grey, mine now act as highlights under the Nice n Easy, and I can see myself doing the platinum blonde thingo when it really strikes.

CointreauVersial Sun 19-May-13 19:53:44

Twas beautifully sunny here in Surrey; we met up with two of my oldest friends (who conveniently married each other) for a long pub lunch.

No music exams to revise for in this house, but DS's Year 8 exams start on Tuesday, so I shall soon be dragging him away from zombie-killing and stapling him to the dining room table to do a bit of study. It won't be a popular move.

herbaceous Sun 19-May-13 19:58:46

In S&B news, I wore a Sainsbury's dress to mum's 80th, and bought a lightweight cotton parka from there, despite advice on others on a thread I started!

I doubt the jacket is going to be at all waterproof, so was wondering if I could use Scotchguard type stuff on it? Would that be foolhardy?

bigTillyMint Sun 19-May-13 20:15:12

You could give it a go Herbs - the Decathlon one worked brilliantly on our old ski gear. And great that your DM's party went so wellsmile

No music exams here any more - thankfully both gave up!

However we have injury-angst. DD has a bad knee (been going on for a while) which her old gym coach (who is training as a physio) thinks could be due to that leg being longer than the other and thinks DD should rest it. DD is adamant she is not having a break from gym. We have a doctors appt on Tues, but I fear a return to the orthopaedics clinic for more xrays and the scary consultantsad
DS has an Achiles tendon injury but seems, bizarrely OK about missing footy and doing swimming squad again insteadhmm

Twas sunny here too - I actually renewed the window box - how many weeks days till they all die on me?

And MrsS, your Australian Crunchie and Flapjacks recipes are a hit!

wilbur Sun 19-May-13 20:20:44

Herbs - so glad the book was a success, and the cake (respect to the emergency patisserie - I bet they loved the story). I bet your mum will be telling people about it over and over from now on smile. Sympathies re the dreadful cousin, I think every family has one, although be careful on MN if you're even distantly related to someone in UKIP...

Poor old ds2 had a huge hayfever reaction to something at cricket this morning and had to go to the walk-in clinic as his eyes swelled up like some kind of bullfrog. Even the actual eyeball was swollen, which totally freaked dh out. Piriton seems to have done the trick and they've gone down, but now I feel bad that I have not taken his bit of hayfever very seriously so far. His eyes are still bright red like something out of a horror movie shock. I hate the idea of dosing up both boys all through the summer, but what else can I do? Ds1 always improves once the trees have stopped flowering, so I'm hoping at least ds2 will be the same on that front.

MrsS - hope dd2's entrance exam goes well.

bigTillyMint Sun 19-May-13 20:40:16

Wilbur, poor DS2 - A few of the children (and adults) at work suffer badly with hayfever - it really is debilitating, isn't it?

And good luck to your DD2, MrsS!

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 19-May-13 20:49:02

DD1 is babysitting for a friend round the corner. She has done some craft stuff with the girls and made them dinner. They are now watching a dvd. She says she is allergic to their cats and forgot her puffer. (Typical.) So I am having a very rare solitary evening, eating what I want (poached egg on toast), drinking tea and listening to Rumer. Have done a great deal of cleaning, tidying and washing today, and need to crack on with job applications tomorrow. DH says that DD2 seems quite calm about her exams, which is good. smile

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 19-May-13 20:58:12

I am currently looking at property porn and fantasising about leaving London and buying this

Cremolafoam Sun 19-May-13 21:17:13

Wow mrs S bargain! Anything like that around here would be over the million mark. Fancy that conservatory-kitchen

motherinferior Sun 19-May-13 21:18:40


S&B question - yesterday's charity shop haul netted a red linen smocky Jigsaw dress I'm going to shorten to long tunic length. Do I need to dye it? I don't usually wear red but red linen is so fab...

motherinferior Sun 19-May-13 21:20:22

Also any idea how posh/formal I should go on press jolly trip to Guernsey on Fri? Is presentations on Fri PM, then overnighter in posh hotel then day out and about...

bigTillyMint Mon 20-May-13 06:45:08

MI, fraid I can't advise as I never get to go on anything like that <sobs>

MrsS, yes, what a lot you get for your money out of London. Just don't think I could do it! DH and I can't think of anywhere we would move to that isn't abroad!

DD put herself to bed at 7pm last night (having already napped in the afternoon) - guess what? She was having a "sleepover" with her besties on Saturday nightwink

bigTillyMint Mon 20-May-13 06:45:59

Oh and MI, I expect that you could open a charity shop with all your charity-shop bargains - have you got a whole dressing room for them?smile

beachyhead Mon 20-May-13 07:51:57

MI, I guess I would go smart casual for the presentation, probably posher for dinner, and then smart casual with comfy shoes grin for day out the next day.. Lucky you!

hattymattie Mon 20-May-13 08:00:15

MI - same as Beachy. Otherwise I'm like BTM - never get exciting stuff like this.

Mrs S - house is gorgeous and cheaper than my hovel here.

Special treat this afternoon - we are going in the car to the big M&S as DH needs a suit How sad is my life??

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 20-May-13 08:08:47

I would love that house, but it's a no-no while I'm tied to working in London - the commute is grim (I did it for 3 years). Not to say extortionately expensive.

Hattymattie - is M & S open today? Are most shops open? I can't keep up with all these French holidays.

motherinferior Mon 20-May-13 08:27:25

Cor, changing for dinner? Eek. As you can see I never get stuff like this usually either. And is Group Thing which rather throws me. I am madly sociable with people I like..but suppose I don't?

Any views on red with my red hair then, eh? (And yes, BTM, I'm sure you're right. Books toogrin.)

herbaceous Mon 20-May-13 08:34:41

Nice house Mrs S, but that conservatory kitchen would be a bugger temperature-wise. Boiling in summer, freezing in winter...

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 20-May-13 08:37:44

Yes to red with red hair. I think red works well - shades of pink can be more difficult though.

On the dress thing - I would also go for smart casual. I am a minimalist packer, so I would probably wear the same thing for dinner as during the day, but put a (different?) scarf on, or if you are wearing trousers, just change the top.

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 20-May-13 08:40:54

I did wonder about the conservatory kitchen, Herbs. DBIL has his own company installing conservatories, and assures me it doesn't have to be like that if it has been done properly with the right kind of glass. confused Not entirely convinced by this, to be frank! We rented two houses with conservatories that were, as you say, either freezing or boiling, and unusable for this reason for about 8 months of the year.

bigTillyMint Mon 20-May-13 08:46:45

But MrsS, why Northamptonshire?
I like conservatories (if the modern type - not the retirement type!) but DH doesn'tconfused

hattymattie Mon 20-May-13 08:48:03

Mrs S - agree about conservatories. Too risky.

So Ouest is open today so I'm assuming M&S is - looking forward to biscuits, crumpets etc. Plus will load up on cheap knickers.

motherinferior Mon 20-May-13 09:42:23

I shall go for black Uniqlo jeggings and change top accordingly. Many thanks lovely friends.

I love the expat yearning for Brit baked goods grin

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 20-May-13 11:20:18

When I am back in UK, no doubt I will insist on buying my bread from Paul and huff about the impossibility of getting a decent "tradi" or croissant!

I stocked up on cheap knickers for DD2 on Saturday, Hatty. She likes their "boy short" style. Our local Franprix and Monoprix both stock crumpets, but I do buy M & S biscuits.

BTM - because that is where we lived when we were in UK and we have a good network of friends there - as do the girls. It is also very close to DPIL.

Stropperella Mon 20-May-13 12:22:40

MrsS, hope dd2's exam goes well today. That house is huge. All I can think of when I see a large house is: that's a lot of space for dust to collect in.

Wilbur, your poor ds. I think my eyes actually watered in sympathy when I read about his swollen eyeballs.

Herbs, congrats on the successful partayy and book. Hope the cake-scoffing builder still has a job.

There is a special summer offer on at the local leisure centre, which has lead to dh, me and dd becoming members there. We can now go swimming, attend fitness classes and use the gym as often as we like for 3 months. Arguably, dh is the one who really needs this, so I figured I would join to give him moral support. Or something. grin I aim to try out all the fitness classes. I did one on Saturday, which was about the same level of nastiness as circuits but with a shouty man in charge. Meh. Next up, pilates. I will try almost anything once. (Except eating less.)

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 20-May-13 12:57:15

It is raining again here. Was thinking of going to the cinema with DD1 to see The Great Gatsby later, but I think we may just hunker down here with a dvd, as we have a huge pile that we haven't watched yet. Have finished mucking out DD2's room, DD1 is doing her own, and have now to set to with the linen cupboard.

wilbur Mon 20-May-13 13:29:18

MrsS - dh and I lived very close to that house around the time we got married 15 years ago. I think we may have bought our place from the same Estate Agent grin. But you're right, the commute is grim - dh had to do it for the last few months we were there, up and down the M1.

wilbur Mon 20-May-13 13:31:05

Stropps - I have been finding pilates v good, seems to have helped my back enormously. I'm also better able to suck my gut in after a huge meal.

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 20-May-13 13:40:54

Wilbur - we used to live a few villages away. I used to drive to Wolverton and then get the train into London. It was an utter pain, and London Midland was sooo unreliable. I do like that part of the country though.

bigTillyMint Mon 20-May-13 15:18:57

Wolverton! The out-laws caravan site is close to there - Cosgrove Park! The cycling along the canal path is quite nice. And is that where that ridiculously cheap carvery is?

Stropps, I only go in the gym at our Leisure Centre - it is a 2min "run" away, so very handy!

Wilbur, I have never really got on with Pilates, but I think I will give it another try when I am retired have more time!

motherinferior Mon 20-May-13 15:45:30

Ooops, what can I feed FIVE girls - three of them hungry pre-teens - on the Wednesday of half term, for lunch, that is also quite QUICK as the idea is I press on with my work? Two are pescatarian. One is nut-allergic...

QueenQueenie Mon 20-May-13 16:01:47

pasta bake (pasta shapes / home made tomato sauce / tuna / mozzarella and parmesan on top. Bake

Pasta with home made tomato sauce and tuna

Pasta with sauce made from onion / sardine / pine nuts / capers / top with toasted breadcrumbs...

pasta with posh pesto...

you get my drift.

salad. Ice cream and fruit. Bob's your uncle (or is that just me)?

hattymattie Mon 20-May-13 16:05:10

Or Fish n chips (if I'm understanding pescatarian correctly).

I have been to M&S and we now have bacon, dig biscuits, two sorts of cheddar. Pasties - we'd never eat these in the UK normally but DH likes novelty, cheesecake and carrot cake - we are going to get very fat hmm.

Weather is atrocious.

Mrs S - I loved Gatsby although they missed out the Owl-Eyed Man at the funeral which for me was quite important.

motherinferior Mon 20-May-13 16:05:50

I think I might do a pasta bake grin.

I can't do ice cream (wrings hands) as they ALL may contain nuts! Ditto chocolate. Who knew?

motherinferior Mon 20-May-13 16:18:04

...otoh they can have Eton mess grin and indeed assemble it themselves. Not that I'm thinking happily greedy thoughts or anything.

I am PROFOUNDLY fed up with this weather.

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 20-May-13 16:56:21

Pasta Bake is known as The Meal of Last Resort in this house. Mushroom risotto is hot on its heels, as these are the two things I make when I am in a foul mood, home late from work, and can't be bothered to cook.

I would stick to something veggie, to please everyone. Macaroni cheese with peppers and onions in it (and mushrooms?), and tomatoes on top, and a salad? Chickpea curry?

BTM - we lived in the next village to Cosgrove, and it was always a source of amazement to me that anyone would want to go on holiday there. By the cheap carvery, do you mean the Navigation pub, or is there somewhere I missed? grin

herbaceous Mon 20-May-13 17:01:43

I've just bought two pairs of 'comfort shorts' from Evans to prevent chub rub. It was about the only time in my life I had to buy the smallest size, and then worry they'd still be too big. Still, for £3 a pair it was worth the risk.

Should come in handy for summer dress wearing on choir tour for, astoundingly, the weather looks to get warmer the very minute we arrive. Low 20s, with showers.

Just had a minor cry in the car when I realised how much I'm going to miss DS. I think I've only spent one night away from him since he was born, and that was three years ago. It already starts to hurt when he's been at nursery all day. <eyes prickle>

bigTillyMint Mon 20-May-13 17:09:17

MrsS, I know the Navigation - it's on the canal, right?
I think the carvery is maybe called Wolverton House now (think it was something else previously) - big pub with massive beer garden. Cheaper than even the cheapest chipswink

Re the food, MI, I wouldn't sweat it too much! Anything above or a few DIY pizzas?

Herbs, you old softiesmile

Hatty, we are going to see The GG after half term I think (unless we have to resort to it before then on a rainy day up North!) I don't think I have ever read the book, but was there a previous film?

motherinferior Mon 20-May-13 17:21:49

I'm going to give the buggers stuffed pasta, actually, as even easier than baked. But will do Eton mess as am greedy myself.

Herbs smile

motherinferior Mon 20-May-13 17:22:03

Yep, with Mr Redford, innit?

hattymattie Mon 20-May-13 17:44:00

Yes - Leo less beautiful than Mr Redford but does a great job nonetheless. The parties look brilliant fun - I don't think they do them like that now. (tries to remember it's only fiction).

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 20-May-13 17:51:25

BTM, yep, that's the one. We used to go there a lot - for Sunday lunch or a Friday night dinner usually. We took DD2 there for her birthday lunch at her request once, and the fish was off. We complained, and the owner came out and argued the toss! Said the fish wasn't off, it was hake, which was "strongly flavoured." The fish was rank, and clearly off - you could tell from the smell. He argued for ages, and finally said "Well I'll replace it with something else, if you really want me to." We did, and then had to wait over an hour for the replacement to arrive. When we got the bill, we'd been charged for the fish and the replacement dish, so then had another row (but a more minor one this time). And we never went back. Asked the fish delivery man (the joys of village life! grin) if he supplied the Navigation. He said he did, and had delivered the hake on the Wednesday, so it would definitely have been off by Sunday, unless they had frozen it.

bigTillyMint Mon 20-May-13 18:00:47

DMIL once had a row in the pub in Cosgrove - The Barley Mow. The Sunday Roast wasn't up to scratch (roasties were really rank) and she got half the cost of the meal taken off!

motherinferior Mon 20-May-13 18:14:26

<agog at stories of village life>

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 20-May-13 18:25:36

Don't start me on the village fete and produce show, where all of the prizes were won by the committee and their families. I entered a jar of Chilli, Garlic and Coriander Relish one year, just for the enjoyment of the thought of Joyce and Peggy's faces after tasting it. grin DD1 won the children's cup one year, and there were a lot of sour faces as we hadn't lived there very long.

We had a burger van in the next village, and a Chinese takeaway van as well. And our local pub was barking - the landlady treated it as an extension of her sitting room and had her knickers and voluminous bras drying on the radiators. And the smoking ban hadn't reached this village pub - it was a bit like Royston Vasey. It was a local pub for local people. I went in there with a friend once, and the landlady greeted us, as we went in with "Got no beer", despite the other three drinkers all drinking, err, beer.

motherinferior Mon 20-May-13 18:40:42

I just burst out guffawing at that.

bigTillyMint Mon 20-May-13 19:46:36

You see, this is what worries me about moving to a village in the countrysidegrin

motherinferior Mon 20-May-13 19:49:51

A friend who has big job in an organisation not uninvolved with the preservation of rural England says his favourite film is Hot Fuzz.

rubyrubyruby Mon 20-May-13 20:31:58

Christ you lot can talk!

I'm knackered. Just done a long day at work followed by a tennis match, tescos shop and then came home and cut the lawns. Various EAs coming in to value the house this week.
DH is mid flight to the USA.

My new house is 100metres from a gym. There's not some weird law that says I have to join is there? hmm

motherinferior Mon 20-May-13 20:36:35

Rubes, haven't you heard of the '100 metre obligation'? Came in with the latest round of benefit legislation, you know. Definitelygrin

bigTillyMint Mon 20-May-13 22:00:10

MI's quite right, you know!smile

CointreauVersial Mon 20-May-13 23:01:55

"my new house", she says.....grin

I'm loving MrsS's mansion with conservatory. I'd move away from Surrey in a flash if I wasn't tied to it owing to DH's job. I grew up in a Royston Vasey village, and I miss it.

hattymattie Tue 21-May-13 07:27:13

Crap - it's still raining - it hasn't stopped since this time yesterday. I'm relieved I live at the top of the hill not near the river!

I remember a film where the Young american hikers walked into the remote yorkshire pub and everybody went silent and stared. It was not pretty after that.

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 21-May-13 08:02:14

The rain is forecast to last the rest of the week, Hatty.

hattymattie Tue 21-May-13 08:09:05

I'm gonna build me an ark.

herbaceous Tue 21-May-13 09:06:25

Hatty - I believe you mean An American Werewolf in London. Marvellous film. And the pub was the Slaughtered Lamb!

beachyhead Tue 21-May-13 09:36:45

I've just had an email from our village chief! It revolves around a guided walk around a local beauty spot, a barn dance and an offer for village residents to use someone's tennis court. Long live village life!!! There are about 10 people under 60 in our village!

hattymattie Tue 21-May-13 10:32:27

Herbs that would be it. The pub scene is lodged in my memory.

grin at creaky OAP barn dance.

wilbur Tue 21-May-13 10:47:28

Dh and I didn't do so well at villlage life, but we were young with no dcs to make us get out and meet people. We were also in a teeny hamlet with no pub or shop and that makes a big difference. Nearest pub was a mile away across fields, nice place, but I had to stop going following a karaoke incident where I mistook myself for Whitney Houston. On the way home the same night, I tried to go to sleep in a ditch.

bigTillyMint Tue 21-May-13 11:46:38


You lot are not selling village life to me at all!

motherinferior Tue 21-May-13 11:49:02

Wilbur, I am currently listening to the Doors (in reminiscent manner) for the first time in errk about 30 years, and I am Jim Morrison. I really am. Alive, obviously, and middle-aged and female, but really apart from that...

wilbur Tue 21-May-13 12:18:49

MI - I can see that. Just about.

Stropperella Tue 21-May-13 12:22:21

Hahaha at The Disgrace of Wilbur grin

If I lived by myself, I would live in a village. However, such was my experience growing up in a hamlet with odd parents and no public transport, I swore I would never inflict village life on my children. Personally, I am very much not fond of cities. I need to decompress for about a week after spending any time in one. I like the small (-ish) town thang. Especially as where we live we are 5-7 mins walk from all three schools children attend/will attend, 5 mins from county hospital and just about all the other more mundane stuff we need, but I can also see fields from my office window.

Pilates: hmm, it was a bit odd to do such a non-sweaty exercise class. However, it was rather relaxing. I have booked in next week to give it another go. Have leisure centre gym induction tomorrow but remain unconvinced that I will ever go more than once. I'll just probably stick to the exercise classes and swimming. Still going to my circuits elsewhere. Either something will snap and scupper my efforts (always possible) or I might end up quite fit.

Gah, time to go back to school for more exams. See, the beauty of living so close to the school is that when I'm invigilating I can come home for lunch and check to see if any other work has come in (although obvs dh is supposed to be taking care of that stuff at the mo).

Stropperella Tue 21-May-13 12:22:54

Cripes, I'm not old enough to like The Doors. grin

beachyhead Tue 21-May-13 12:42:17

At school we had a picture of Jim Morrison stuck over the window, with the two eyeballs cut through, so the light shone through like a Messiah! I am definitely old enough to like the Doors!

hattymattie Tue 21-May-13 13:09:47

I'm more a child of the Abba generation much less street cred than the doors.

bigTillyMint Tue 21-May-13 13:10:59

DH's bro likes The Doors and he's only 42!

I am liking the sound of the schools being so close by - the primary was only a 3-4min walk and my walk to work is 15mins, but there's not really a decent bus route for the DC.

motherinferior Tue 21-May-13 13:34:46

Bus journey v important part of DD social life -<eyeroll>

I have solved my sartorial conundrum of this weekend (organiser says much the same as you lot) with the help of our trusty charity shop grin

motherinferior Tue 21-May-13 13:35:40

Am minimalist packer on lines of MrsS so hate having to take Extra Stuff.

hattymattie Tue 21-May-13 14:05:33

MI - mine love the bus journey - this gives the kids from three or four secondary schools who came from a common primary the chance to meet up. The Number 2 bus route is the place to get the latest gossip.

motherinferior Tue 21-May-13 14:21:44

Especially important when some of you have gone to single sex schools wink

Stropperella Tue 21-May-13 16:08:05

Ha, you think it actually takes dd 5 mins to walk to school? Nooo. A posse of her friends (at least 4 or 5 of them) call every morning at 8.20am and they amble off in the general direction of school. Registration is not until 8.50am. This equals a precious half-hour of quacking-and-batting-your-eyelashes-at-boys-time. Or maybe they discuss their physics homework. Actually, they do all of that and more. grin

Stropperella Tue 21-May-13 16:15:05

She's been walking to school with the same friends since she went to middle school in Yr 5. She is now Y10 at upper school. Oh and she went to preschool and first school with these friends as well. smile
It's quite nice that they all still get along well enough to walk to school together. And as there are 600 people in their year, they all have plenty of other friends too. Even dd, although she is not madly social.

CointreauVersial Tue 21-May-13 18:07:02

600 in the year? shock

DS/DD1's secondary has 240 per year, and I thought that was big.

Stropperella Tue 21-May-13 18:19:26

It's a 20-form intake. There are only 5 year groups (yrs 9 - 13) and there are nearly 3000 in the school. And that's in a town of barely 20,000 inhabitants. Some pupils come from quite far away. You should see the queue of buses at 3.30. grin

Stropperella Tue 21-May-13 18:45:28

MrsS, how did dd2 fare with her exam and visit to the new school?

BD, any news?

BTM, we have eaten our way through 2 batches of your flapjacks. I thought we had enough for a full week of lunch boxes but they are all gone already. Now to try out MrsS's recipe.

bigTillyMint Tue 21-May-13 19:02:06

600/3000? Gulp!

Yes, MrsS, how was it for your DD2?

Stroppssmile MrsS's recipe was a hit here!

rubyrubyruby Tue 21-May-13 19:17:28

There's only 800 pupils in our entire secondary school. Mine walk en masse with friends.

CV - I'm calling it my new house as I am trying to think positively wink. Things are moving along nicely.

Hope DDs exam went well MrsS.

I'm grin ing at a the village people talk. Ours is a large village with all amenities sonot really like that.

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 21-May-13 19:34:01

I loved village life, particularly on the days I didn't work. I used to mooch off after school drop off with the other Mums at someone's house. We used to spend the morning drinking coffee and eating biscuits, and then someone would say "fancy lunch?" and we used to slope off to the Spar for oven chips and frozen pizza. This would be accompanied by lots of wine and some used to smoke joints cigarettes. Then at 3, one used to say "Spose we'd better go and collect the little fuckers." They did this every day. I was so envious.

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 21-May-13 19:35:26

And some days we would have a kebab from the van!!

bigTillyMint Tue 21-May-13 19:51:54

MrsS, you can do that in our London village, innitwink

motherinferior Tue 21-May-13 20:26:36

I have just had copy back from a client saying 'please change quote, he would never say that'. Er...he did. I have the transcript to prove it. Change it if you like but he did say it....

Cremolafoam Tue 21-May-13 20:44:51

Lol at the dope smoking village laydees . My memory of doing the school run when dd was small was of pyjama clad 4 wheel drivers dumping and running.blush( --I never did that EVER--)

Have had a ruck with my sister so am licking my wounds today. The crap thing is , when she shoved me out of her house last night in a blind red rage, I had no idea what the hell I said that enraged hersad
Feeling stung today.

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 21-May-13 21:10:43

DD2 and DH just got in. DD1 loved the school, did well in the exams apparently and they said they would be "delighted" to have her.

Stropperella Tue 21-May-13 21:33:51

Yay MrsS, result!

We have only annoyingly wholesome school runners at the littlies' school. No, really, some of them actually run. In their dayglo gear with the kids on scooters or bikes. Bursting with health and all-round goodness, they are.

motherinferior Tue 21-May-13 21:38:06

Cremo, I suspect that feelings are running exceptionally high in your family at the moment after your mum's do. Throw families together in fraught manner, such things.

We have runners at the school too, but I've joined seen them at various pissups too grin

bigTillyMint Tue 21-May-13 21:39:26

Fab, MrsSwine

Cremo, big hugs {{{}}} Did she explain what enraged her after?

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 21-May-13 22:14:43

YY to family gatherings not being good for "emotions." A family gathering of my family is like a party at the Queen Vic (in more ways than one) with something usually going horribly wrong (usually due to alcohol consumption). My mother's brother didn't speak to her for two years after she said to him on one occasion "I expect the next time I see you, you'll be in your box." shock At my Aunt's funeral the other week, one of my aunts was explaining to my cousin (who is adopted) why she never sent her Christmas cards, or birthday cards to her DCs - "It's not like you're properly family, is it?" I said very sweetly "Oh like you Auntie C - you married in, so you're not a blood relative either." And dragged cousin away before she attacked Auntie C with the bottle she was carrying.

alto1 Tue 21-May-13 22:52:29

If I don't just dive in I'll never keep up.

Sisters can trigger the blind rage more quickly and effectively than anyone else, I find. It's rare but intense. In our case, a little reflection often reveals my mother's hand in it, somewhere behind the scenes.

Dd seems to be taking Y9 exams in her stride - so much so that she went out shopping with a friend on Sat and to see Star Trek with another friend on Sun, while I was visiting sick sister.

Other mothers are in overdrive, micro-managing revision. Fortunately I don't see much of them or I'd be overwhelmed with guilt. As it is, I reckon if dd hasn't done enough work, she'll soon find out smile without me going to all the trouble and exhaustion of nagging her.

On the other hand I do have misgivings about spending 2 grand on braces when I still have to remind her twice a day to brush her teeth hmm

hattymattie Wed 22-May-13 06:38:45

Mrs S - congrats to DD on school - did DH approve in the end?

My Relationship with my sister has always been fraught - I wish it could be otherwise. Now as we're in different countries it has improved somewhat.

alto taking DS1 to the orthodentist today for a first control - his canines haven't come through - in our family they seem to rest horizontal in the gum and have to be hooked down. Not a nice procedure. Obviously we are not vampires.

Blackduck Wed 22-May-13 07:22:44

Hello all. Ds is in a primary school of 100 (in total), but will go to a secondary of either 1,000 or 2,000 (in total).
MrsS - congrats on school - has dh accepted it?

Mum is going in right direction - now in rehab (not the Any Winehouse version grin ) and is making cups of tea and rolling -fags- straws. She has a limp but they think that will go. Apparently latest thoughts are she had a heart attack about 6 weeks ago and has been walking around with fluid on the lungs ever since! I am very tired (emotional and physically) spent most of yesterday on the edge of tears.

Cremo has your sister told you what you said? I have no sisters so no experience of this!
I could talk about village life - very different to living in a city!

Cremolafoam Wed 22-May-13 07:35:26

Mrs s that's great about school for dd
I hope dh has come round to it.and well done her on the entrance examgrin

Yes sisters, no idea what's going on still. I'm pretty sure I was just in the crossfire of something else. Hope so anyway.confused thanks for hugs. Feeling a bit unsupported ATM with one thing and another.

hattymattie Wed 22-May-13 07:36:13

Hello BD - so glad to hear your mum is on the road to recovery. Very scary though to think one can have a heart attack and not even know know. It's understandable you're exhausted and emotionally overwrought.

bigTillyMint Wed 22-May-13 16:10:43

BD glad to hear your mum is out of the woods. Not surprised you're knackered - it takes it out of you, emotional stuff. And you too Cremo.

motherinferior Wed 22-May-13 17:07:31

I am feeling pleased for two friends of mine who have both had IVF with donor eggs and have both just had positive tests grin

Although I do know that this is just the first stage and that there is a very long way to go...

CointreauVersial Wed 22-May-13 18:18:15

MI - hope the pregnancies stick; that must be stressful.....

Last week, my pg colleague went on maternity leave a day early; after much puffing and blowing and wailing about backache she was convinced she was going into labour and was rushed home in a taxi at 10am. The mums amongst us all exchanged knowing looks.....sure enough, eight days on, and no sign of a baby. If I had a pound for every first-time expectant mum who swears they are going to be early, they can just feel it......nooooo, you don't get off that easily.wink

Cremolafoam Wed 22-May-13 18:20:29

Bd care to join me in a midweek glass of wine ?wineI'm glad your mum is on the mend.
Thanks BTM smile

MI that's rather wonderful news for your TTC friends. Fingers crossed for them both.

I am planning a huge bath this evening. I may use A Lot of bubble bath. And candles. And have an early night. I've got a pre-op assessment for The Hystericalectomy at 8am.hoping to get my op date too.hmm

motherinferior Wed 22-May-13 18:23:34

I actually did convince myself I'd have my babies early, based on my mum and sister, ignoring the fact they are both sort of clinically underweight...

....and then DD1 was two days early (would have been earlier but she was an absolute bugger coming out) and DD2 was 16 days, taking me rather by surprise. There is a thread on MN, probably still exists, in which I went into labour.

bigTillyMint Wed 22-May-13 19:11:36

MI, did you have a live-birth thread? <very impressed>

DD was a week late, DS 10days late. Dcousin's son has just had a baby girl (well wife has!) 5 1/2 weeks earlyshock
And great news about the IVF's - fingers crossed for them.

Cremo, the bath and candles (and wine!) idea sounds lush

Stropperella Wed 22-May-13 19:20:46

I was convinced that mine wouldn't bother coming on time. Or early. So convinced was I of this fact that at a week past my due date with dd I was still walking over the hills and far away with my dog twice a day for hours (lived out in a village in those days) and was very much on my own as then-h worked away in London. The neighbours got all antsy and asked me if I had a mobile phone. I didn't. I just told them it would be fine by me if I gave birth in a field. grin Bizarrely I really didn't fret. When I did sort of half-heartedly go into labour at 2 weeks overdue, I drove myself 6 miles to the hospital. Didn't realise that wasn't a good plan until too late. Labour hurts a bit. Who knew? grin

(See, I wasn't always anxiety-ridden)

Stropperella Wed 22-May-13 19:23:26

Hope you feel better after your bath, Crem and that you will get some useful info tomorrow (i.e. the op date).

BD, great news about your mum. Not surprised you feel ragged. Be good to yourself!

wilbur Wed 22-May-13 20:27:34

BD - so glad to hear your mum is up and about. Hope she continues to mend quickly. Take care of yourself though, you've been through a lot.

Crem - sympathies re your sister, why do these things have to be so difficult? I have a terrible relationship with mine and haven't had any contact from her for over 2 years (her choice, not mine). I don't know what it is with siblings that can make you feel sooo bad - they just know the buttons, I guess.

My dcs were all, thankfully, late, which is how I wanted it. Ds1 was due right after New Years and as he was PFB I wanted his little lungs to be completely ready and him to be in tip top condition prior to arrival and he obliged by waiting til 11 Jan. I didn't want dd to be early as I hadn't got all the baby crap ready for her months ahead of time and I didn't want ds2 to be early as I had just bought a new Harry Potter book and knew I wouldn't be able to read it while breastfeeding as it was too heavy to hold in one hand. I have no idea why younger siblings think their parents don't care as much about them as they do about the first born. grin

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 22-May-13 20:49:20

BD - good news about your Mum. And yes, do take care of yourself.

Strops - I was in denial both times about impending birth. DH was in Romania, I was in London. I reached my due date with DD1 and hadn't bought so much as a nappy or babygro. A friend frogmarched me round Sainsburys at Nine Elms chucking stuff into a trolley while I trailed after her saying "I think this is a bit unnecessary, I'm sure nothing's going to happen for a while." (I was right; I was induced a week later.)

With DD2 I was completely ignoring the fact that I was having a baby, to the extent that I was packing my bag when I was having contractions every few minutes. I was on my own too, but fortunately (?) my mother had come to London for the day as we had planned to go shopping. I finally finished packing my bag and went downstairs to flag down a taxi while she looked after DD1. DD2 was born 12 hours later. DH didn't make it back in time - I called him and said cheerily, I'm in labour, off to the hospital to have the baby in a minute. (THis was a Tuesday.) His response was "I'm really busy at work, there's no way I'm going to be able to get back before the weekend." His boss then took the phone off him and said "He'll be on tomorrow's flight." grin

Fab news about IVFs!

motherinferior Wed 22-May-13 20:58:44

I was actually in major denial up to second-stage labour with DD1. Honestly, I used to sit in antenatal classes thinking how weird that everyone was pregnant - I was quite sure I'd be spotted as a fraud and thrown out. It wasn't helped by the fact I didn't have to buy anything; we zipped up to Newcastle and drove back with all the stuff my sister had used (most of it hand-me-downs) from her baby a year before. Then she selfishly got up the duff again and I had to give it all back grin

Stropperella Wed 22-May-13 22:11:32

LOL at "major denial" grin . I simply bumbled along but maybe I was in denial too. I went to one NCT meeting, but it gave me the heeby-jeebies and I never went again because everyone kept talking about babies and was too twee. Didn't read any baby books and wasn't connected to the internet at that point. Ignorance is, in fact, bliss. I always found it a shame that I couldn't stick with that blissful state second time around.

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 22-May-13 22:44:21

I was in blissful ignorance for much of my first pregnancy as I was living in Transylvania, and had little idea of the diktat not to eat runny eggs, soft cheese, salami, pate, liver and 101 other things. I happily ate all of these, and as we couldn't get pasturised milk, we got it in a churn from a local farmer and used to boil it for ages on the stove. When I went back to UK to give birth, my midwife was practically hysterical, and told me not to read any of the leaflets, as it would only make me worry. I also managed to break my ankle while I was there - being 6 months pregnant and on crutches is no fun, as your centre of balance is out.

I couldn't bring myself to go into Mothercare - it was completely alien to me, and smelled of dirty nappies. On the odd occasion I did go in there, I used to come out in a cold sweat and have to leave.

Blackduck Thu 23-May-13 08:37:31

Hi all - many thanks for the good wishes, and Cremo, I did partake of wine last night (a free bottle! - I have had free food curtesy of DPs away day - he bought the nice veggie dippy stuff back, and a free bottle of wine - opened, but not drunk, from a conference)
Mum off of angiogram today as they want to bottom out this heart thing.

Ds was early (two weeks) - induced, although I think he would have come naturally if they had let me hang on a day or two. It was all a tad fast and fraught. Near C-section, dropping heart beat, blah blah.....I ended up flat on my back with a zillion people round me and I closed my eyes and said 'tell me when it's over' smile
I then shook like a leaf afterwards...

bigTillyMint Thu 23-May-13 09:10:59

Oh, DD was an emergency ventouse delivery - stuck in the birth canal for 4 hoursshock. as the epidural they had given me was too strong and had cut off all feeling from my neck down!
The first ventouse machine didn't work so they got another. Which didn't work either. Then some bright spark suggested they turn it ongrin

DS flew out like a baby lamb being born. Thank God!

motherinferior Thu 23-May-13 09:26:48

There was a misspelling on my emergency 'ventous' [sic] form for hoovering out DD1 angry I decided not to correct it as it's always a good idea not to irritate a chap about to wield a scalpel where the sun never shines but I'm still cross, 12 and a half years on. And my epidural only worked on one side till they turned it on to full throttle to do the operating-room bit.

DD2 was lovely waterbirth in our front room. Thank heavens we'd picked up the pool early.

Blackduck Thu 23-May-13 10:06:55

Ventouse failed so good ol' forceps here. I had 'spectacular bruising' apparently hmm

herbaceous Thu 23-May-13 10:38:22

Crikey. What a lot of emergency baby-extraction went on among us crepeys. If it were a hundred years ago, would we all be dead? I was utterly obsessed with every minutiae of pregnancy – as it had taken so bloody long to get into that state - but was terrified by the idea of birth. Secretly longed for a caesarean, not that I could admit to the NCT teacher.

DS was 10 days late, induced, the gel hyperstimulated me and I had immediate strong and hideous contractions. But he wouldn't come out. So I had an epidural, more induction drugs, and his heart rate dropped, everyone in the room went pale, the machine went 'beeeeeeeeep' and I thought I'd lost him. 10 minutes later he was whisked out of my belly. I got my C section! Though in slightly sub-optimal conditions.

hattymattie Thu 23-May-13 11:52:45

Well - I bit like BTM's DS, all three of mine flew out like baby lambs. No painful contractions. Only just got to the hospital on time as didn't realise I was in labour. I consider myself bloody Lucky.

Have had hair cut really short like Audrey Tatou. Unfortunately I haven't metamorphosed into her - I haven't got those cheekbones. I like it though and I can just shake it dry in the morning instead of faffing around with unruly hair. I now have to decide whether to go grey or to redye. (This is an annual dilemma and I always finish by cracking.)

motherinferior Thu 23-May-13 12:10:56

Ah yes, that 'I will be a charming chic-yet-tousled slightly gamine figure' belief. I entertain it regularly till the hairdresser shows me my reflection grin

Stropperella Thu 23-May-13 12:15:56

I was stuck on a drip and induced both times (labour sort of started with dd - see previous post smile - but never really got going) at 2 weeks over. Was marooned on my back for 36 hours before dd deigned to arrive (she still likes to make people wait now) and the epidural didn't work. It was all very ouchy. And she was completely overcooked and the placenta was beginning to curl up and detach, so it was as well she was induced.
Apparently I have a "tricky back" (according to the consultant anaesthetist), as the epidural didn't work with ds either, despite them putting it in 3 times. Ow bloody ow and all fer nuffink. They kept rubbing ice all over bits of my legs and saying "Can you feel that? Surely not." I may have slightly raised my voice at some point.

Stropperella Thu 23-May-13 12:18:33

I am rocking the Worzel Gummidge look at the moment. <sigh>

herbaceous Thu 23-May-13 12:35:35

I have a mild birthday party dilemma to run past you experienced types.

As DS is four in July, I thought a small party - with balloons, cake, games, cheesy wotsits, etc - would be in order. Nothing too big, as last year he got overfaced by our 35 (!) guests and retired to bed. I thought about five children.

But who to invite? His closest friends are three or four NCT pals, but if I invite some I feel I should invite all, which would be about 12 kids. Or, nursery children. I thought by now that he'd have been invited to various parties, and I could just invite the hosts of those, but he's only been to one. He has a few good friends at nursery, but I don't know the parents - would it be awkward?

Or shall I just ignore the whole thing, and have cake with grandparents and some dancing.

<wrings hands>

motherinferior Thu 23-May-13 12:38:06

You can do invites through nursery, Herbs, or just forgo the lot if it's too much stress.

herbaceous Thu 23-May-13 12:52:58

Oh yes - it wasn't the logistics of inviting the nursery children, as I can put invitations in their pigeonholes. Rather than having to spend an awkward couple of hours with people I've never met! I know. It's not about me.

Annoyingly, some others in the NCT group see fit to invite select children to events, yet get a fit of the vapours should anyone else (such as me) dare do such a thing. I can't be doing with the drama.

hattymattie Thu 23-May-13 13:07:57

MI exactly that. grin

Goodness Herbs - do the parents stay? In France they drop and run! In that case I'd do a family thing until the parents do feel they can leave their kids or until DS is old enough to know any better wink

Blackduck Thu 23-May-13 13:08:06

Oh god I am so glad ds is past that stage - now he makes the list and that's who I invite.
Re not knowing anyone - been there, done that, key is to make sure you have lots to do so you spend the whole party dashing around arranging pass the parcel and offering cake so you don't have to engage for too long smile

Herbs - your experience sounds similar to mine, but in between the 'oh my god his heart has flat lined top her up for a C section' and rushing me to theatre I'd fully dilated so they decided to haul him out......
He was a dink it has to be said.

herbaceous Thu 23-May-13 13:10:33

Hattie - the kids are only three and four, so prob a bit young to be left. And dealing with wailing children would be even worse than dealing with strangers in the house!

Maybe I'll give him a birthday treat, instead. He's been trying to get me to take him to the ballet...

CointreauVersial Thu 23-May-13 13:12:55

Herbs, I'm tempted to suggest you have a small do with closest nursery friends (as MI says, the nursery will be able to tell you who his closest friends are and hand out invitations), then separately you can dress up your next NCT get-together as a birthday event (presumably you meet at soft-play or similar...). Under no circumstances invite 35 children to your house.

I got chatting to another colleague yesterday, as we pondered the non-appearance of pg co-worker's "early" baby, and she mentioned that her labour was "quite short". In fact, she woke up in the middle of the night (DP was away, and 1yo asleep upstairs) with the dawning realisation that the baby's head was droppping, ran downstairs to phone 999, and actually had to drop the phone so she had her hands free to catch the baby before resuming the conversation with the operator. shock She did say it was pretty scary (understatement!).

As for me, DS and DD2 were easy peasy, but small-for-dates DD1 was induced early. She didn't like the idea, and I ended up with an EMCS under GA. I remember the midwife and DH staring at each other, then she pressed a buzzer, and there was the sound of many running feet......Just like BD I simply closed my eyes and mentally checked out of the whole process.

hattymattie Thu 23-May-13 13:14:13

Yup - they'll leave even three and four year olds here. Any excuse for some down time - although I do take your point about wailing children.

Strangely enough I don't remember any wailing kids - I think with the maternal school system they are all pretty blasé about being left.

herbaceous Thu 23-May-13 13:21:53

S&B news. After searching for the perfect light yet showerproof yet non-slimy jacket for my choir Germany tour (I even started a thread about it), and eventually buying something sub-par in Sainsbury's, it now looks like it's going to be so buggering cold that I'll be in my sensible outdoor coat the whole time. Bah.

And it looks like it's going to be windy for the crossing - we're going by coach. Joy.

motherinferior Thu 23-May-13 13:34:17

I am having similar revision of my Smart Casual wardrobe for this weekend....

hattymattie Thu 23-May-13 13:37:38

Herbs - bring a warm jumper - there's an icy Wind here it's freezing. The weekend is predicted really bad. I expect Germany will be similar but maybe less wet.

herbaceous Thu 23-May-13 13:43:47

I was misled by the BBC 10-day forecast, saying there would be a daytime temperature of between 11 and 22 degrees. I assumed that meant it would start at 11, and end at 22. But it appears it's just a vague stab in the dark.

hattymattie Thu 23-May-13 13:45:13

Maybe in Germany it'll be nicer. Here it is 10 and I have put on my fleece.sad

bigTillyMint Thu 23-May-13 13:45:22

Herbs, I don't envy you the 4yo party! IIRC, mine would have had a few nursery and a few NCT friends (manybe 10 or 12 in total) - at a park/softplay or whatever.
I don't envy your channel crossing either - I'm not good on boats!

We are heading north for half-term - am taking wellies and waterproofs, which is sad as we have had some gorgeous sunny days by the river and on the beach in the past.

bigTillyMint Thu 23-May-13 13:46:09

It's freezing in London too Hatty! Definitely not 22 - BBC website is crap IMHO!

motherinferior Thu 23-May-13 13:50:31

Any of you lot (Herbs, I'm looking at you for starters) up for a bit of not very well-paid BUT paid work doing some basic ring-round-update stuff on a handbook I'm rewriting?

herbaceous Thu 23-May-13 13:51:42

I've always been fine on boats, but have a fear of one day getting seasick. I've stocked up with Stugeron!

If I knew it would be a nice day, we could take a load of children to Epping Forest, do a 'treasure hunt', have a picnic and bit of cake, and be off. But what with the weather the way it is...

bigTillyMint Thu 23-May-13 13:57:23

DD is a July baby too - it's usually warm enough then, even if they need their waterproofs on wink

motherinferior Thu 23-May-13 14:22:29

Scrap post above, they've got someone they want me to use grin

beachyhead Thu 23-May-13 14:27:30

Herbs, I would go with three from nursery and three from NCT. I don't think it matters if you don't invite all of them.

My rule is, invite less than half a group, you are fine. Then the mums from both sides can have a chat, they will see it as a chance to meet other mums anyway...

I've never reached my due date; 9 weeks early, 3 weeks early (when I was sharing a MN birth thread with Wilbur smile ) and 10 days early. Dreaded pre-eclampsia.... Still, on the bright side, I've never had a contraction in my life grin

motherinferior Thu 23-May-13 14:38:28

I have stashed a jumper from our favourite Sainsbo's in my luggage...

herbaceous Thu 23-May-13 14:50:54

Looks like I'm not going to need my Evans Comfort Shorts for swishing about in summer dresses. Bah.

Re NCT group, it's tricky. One is already having a right strop that another one is having her son's birthday party on her daughter's actual birthday. The fact that if seven children are born in one month (as is the nature of NCT group), and there are only four weekends in a month, there's pretty much bound to be a clash.

bigTillyMint Thu 23-May-13 14:53:58

Why don't you just do a big NCT birthday party all together at some soft play or something? That would be so much easier!

herbaceous Thu 23-May-13 14:56:04

Oh we're doing that as well!

I'd thought in past years, when we'd done an en masse party, that that was the NCT duty discharged, and there wouldn't be the issue of inviting each other to individual parties. Then a few of them invited a few of the group to their parties, muddying the waters.

motherinferior Thu 23-May-13 15:00:51 I've packed the warmest socks I possess....

Stropperella Thu 23-May-13 16:23:57

I remember still trying to be Supermother for dd's 4th. We had an "under the sea" themed fancy dress party (lots of mermaids and a starfish) and our sitting room was decked out with crepe paper seaweed and glittery fish etc. They all made a collage fish each as the starter activity that we hung up with the seaweed and then we did undersea-themed games. I even made a giant fish pinata. That was my one big party effort and I have been a bit feeble since (aside from the Secret Agent party for ds's 6th). For his 4th, ds had 4 friends from preschool who came dressed as cowboys and ran around the garden shooting each other for an hour and then had tea.

As for who gets to come: dcs can write the lists but I only sanction invites for well-behaved friends, horrible old bag that I am (ds has a few friends that are eye-wateringly rude dog-torturers and delight in breaking stuff - they don't get to come here twice).

(So glad I ran screaming from my one and only NCT experience; am not good with that kind of social hoo-ha)

Stropperella Thu 23-May-13 16:25:24

MI, it's sunny here on the coast at the moment. Not particularly warm, but not freezing either. You might not need your warmest socks...

motherinferior Thu 23-May-13 16:25:43

...and I'm considering my down-filled coat...

motherinferior Thu 23-May-13 16:26:14

You sure? I get very cold. And grumpy.

Stropperella Thu 23-May-13 16:44:35

I feel the cold too and I admit I was wearing a vest today, but it did get a bit stuffy in the (unheated) exam hall. Forecast of 16 degrees for this area on Sat. Layers..

herbaceous Thu 23-May-13 16:51:58

I've been really lucky with my NCT group. They're all lovely. A couple of them have mild Queen Bee tendencies, but now I've realised it's them – rather than me being socially inadequate – I can cope!

hattymattie Thu 23-May-13 18:01:57

Just had DD1 in tears - apparently everybody at school being horrible with one another - exam stress I think. Also mean boy in her class whispering about her with his friends and laughing. I told her to get her boyfriend to sort him out - but she says he's a wimp. I told her to confront mean boy and ask him what his problem is.

wilbur Thu 23-May-13 18:05:25

Am heading home to celebrate 15th wedding anniversary with unheard of luxury of m&s ready meal. Although I sent dh a soppy text at lunchtime today on glimpsing church where we got married, and he has yet to reply. Probably should have texted him a picture of my boobs as I believe that's the new protocol. Still we are going somewhere that isn't Anglesey this weekend, so I am smile.

bigTillyMint Thu 23-May-13 18:06:13

Down filled coat sounds v cosy, MI and I like cosy!

I met loads of lovely friends through NCT tea-groups, no Queen Bee'ssmile

Cremolafoam Thu 23-May-13 18:41:36

Happy anniversary Wilbur !
Dine in for two sounds lovely. I'd would eat anything at all if I didn't have to actually cook it.

Can I just ask what NCT stands for ?wink?
I have either bypassed that stage by adopting dd aged 5 or we don't have it here wink
[ duh emoticon ]

bigTillyMint Thu 23-May-13 18:48:12

I agree, wilbur - I have never even had an M&S ready meal as we don't live anywhere near an M&S!
And grin at text!

Cremo - it's National Childbirth Trust!

Stropperella Thu 23-May-13 18:51:13

Happy anniversary, wilbur and dh grin

Re: NCT, I probably completely missed the point of it. I'm not a clubby sort of person and the NCTers that I met had a definite party line which didn't appeal. I had no interest at all in making mum friends, really. When dd was little - and once we'd moved into town - I took her to music, swimming and a selection of toddler groups so we met plenty of different people but didn't have to commit. I had a bit more social contact through preschool, but not much. It all just didn't float ma boat.

alto1 Thu 23-May-13 18:53:17

Happy anniversary Wilbur grin

Stropperella Thu 23-May-13 21:16:49

Alto, how is your dh doing?

CointreauVersial Thu 23-May-13 22:09:43

Happy Anniversary, Wilbur. M&S Ready Meal, oooh, you know how to celebrate.wink And grin at texting your boobs; I'm not sure DH could pick mine out of a crowd anymore.....

Herbs, trust me, party date clashes don't ever go away. I'm trying to sort out DD1's 12th birthday celebration (taking three friends to Thorpe Park), and I've upset her best mate's mum by picking the date she wanted (the girls are 6 weeks apart, ffs). Anyway, forget all about it and have a lovely not-too-chilly break.

Anyhooo....four day weekend for me, hoorah. DH is also taking tomorrow off, the big two have an Inset, just DD2 off to school. She's not impressed.

rubyrubyruby Thu 23-May-13 22:43:53

I'm emotional
DS2 leaves school tomorrow. I have been so busy with work (in my puffer coat FFS) school options and house viewings that it only really struck me when I stopped tonight. Another era ......

I have obliterated childbirth from my memory. One was like a social event there were so many people present.

Happy Anniversary Wilbur.

DH still away,

Stropperella Thu 23-May-13 22:44:01

Enjoy your long w/e, CV. And MI, have a great w/e in the Channel Islands, whatever the weather.

Blackduck Fri 24-May-13 08:20:03

Happy Anniversary Wilbur - sorry I am late - broadband is kaput at home....

Have a good weekend MI and CV.

Stropps - were we separated at birth? The whole NCT filled me with dread (far too militant where I was) and I'd rather have stuck pins in my eyes than join any mother and toddler group. I could have written your post, or you have written mine smile

I went back to work full time at 4 months anyway so didn't have the time for all that and during pregnancy I think I kind of ignored it and pretended it wasn't happening and wouldn't make a difference (ha...)

Angiogram was okay (as the consultant said, if it hadn't have been mum would have been on the cardio ward still). Will see her Monday when we drop ds off at dp's parents...

alto1 Fri 24-May-13 10:34:20

Strops, thanks for asking, dh doing well, walking a lot, staying up all day most days, doing light duties (cooking a bit). I removed his clips yesterday so he has no metalwork left on board &says he's more comfortable.

Sadly I forgot to arrange for grass and weeds to stop growing while he recovers so I think my long w/e is spoken for.

Have good break, everyone. BD, glad angio was ok.

Stropperella Fri 24-May-13 13:52:31

Alto, that's excellent news! Hope he is back to mowing strength very soon!

BD, your post cheered me up. It's always good to know one is not alone smile

herbaceous Fri 24-May-13 14:54:07

I feel a right old sheep now. I joined the NCT as a way of meeting people having babies, and to commiserate with me about the trials of each particular age. All my other friends had either had their children, were gay, or not going to have them, and I wanted to fit in somewhere! I know. WEAK.

Good to know various husbands and mothers are on the mend. Hope Wilbur got to show her tits.

bigTillyMint Fri 24-May-13 15:18:42

Herbs, me too! I just like meeting new people and the thought of being at home all day with my beautiful babies but no adults filled me with dreadblush

TFIF! Kids have gone, Hoorah!!!

So looking forward to seeing my lovely friend (and all the family!) tomorrowsmile

Blackduck Fri 24-May-13 15:20:07

Herbs, it's horses for courses innit. I didn't want to be with other mothers, I didn't want to talk babies all the time, I never saw myself as part of that. Also, like Stropps I am not a joiner really. I get all my info from MN - it was and is a godsend as I could find out what I needed without discussing with other mothers in rl smile
On the other hand, the downside of this is I don't think I really came to terms with being a mum and how much my life had changed until ds was about 6 (but that's a whole other thread)

motherinferior Fri 24-May-13 16:12:37

I didn't madly do baby groups mainly as was working but I LOVE the school gate. Have met many lovely friends there.

It is effing cold in Guernsey! Glad I brought my warm coatgrin

rubyrubyruby Fri 24-May-13 18:33:43

I had 3 children in 18 months - baby and toddler groups were my life for a while.

bigTillyMint Fri 24-May-13 18:45:46

ruby, I had 2 in 19mths, and many friends with <2yr gapwink

Stropperella Fri 24-May-13 20:33:01

When dd was little I had fairly major domestic ishoos which I had no desire to inflict on anyone, which added to my wish to keep myself to myself. My energies went on coping with said ishoos, looking after dd and setting up my business. There wasn't any spare time or energy for socialising, which I find quite difficult at the best of times anyway and in those particular circs I had to lie all the time and pretend everything was jolly and fine and it wasn't. I got sick of people asking me why I wasn't having another (the truth would not have been socially acceptable) and NCT types telling me if I was having another one, it must be within x time otherwise the sibs would not get on, blah blah blah. So I just avoided all these people, for better or for worse. It may not have been the best option, but it was the only option that I could deal with at the time. With ds, different story, but same outcome.

So, er, don't feel bad, Herbs grin.

Stropperella Fri 24-May-13 21:18:45

i.e. "it's not you, it's me". smile

herbaceous Fri 24-May-13 22:55:52

It is also me. While not by nature 'a joiner', I didn't trust myself to be able to actually be a mother without a group of people to pester every five minutes about stuff. Mumsnet, however, kept it real, and knocked the edge off the worst of my neuroses!

But yes. I too get v fed up with people asking why I haven't had another. I do sometimes tell them, which shuts them up.

CointreauVersial Fri 24-May-13 23:14:50

Baaa. Another NCT sheep here, in fact, I even served on the local committee for a while. I loved the whole toddler group thing, and ended up with a huge circle of friends, and being a small town, I still cross paths with many of them 13 years on. And, those of you who have met me probably realise I don't keep much to myself, and will happily over-share given any opportunity, so NCT/toddler groups were my refuge and therapy for a while.

Until I got to DC3, and realised I really couldn't tolerate another conversation about pureed avocado.....

CointreauVersial Fri 24-May-13 23:47:49

Ooh yes, I must share with you the absolutely cracking charity shop haul I came home with today:

A pure silk purple/grey Gerard Darel top
A superfine merino wool V-neck from Banana Republic (for work)
An immaculate tailored cotton shirt from Austin Reed (ditto)
A yellow and white linen shirt (M&S)
An as-new padded gilet in orange-red with furry hood (nabbed by DD1)

The total paid for this bag of goodies? £26. <smug>

bigTillyMint Sat 25-May-13 07:46:08


Trying to get DD up and moving - why is she up at 7 for school, and 7.30 on a Sat for gym, but when we want to get off early, she refuses to get out of bed?angry

rubyrubyruby Sat 25-May-13 07:58:17

Have a great time bTM smile

CV - great finds! I never go in charity shops - in fact I rarely go shopping. I may take a look.

Alto - glad DH is making good progress.

BD - hope you are able to have a restful weekend after the shock with your Mum.

Everyone seems to be have plans for the weekend. DH is still away but DCs have various sport exams and tournaments today. I have a huge pile of paperwork for DH to sift through when he gets back and a printer to install. Although I may have a go at that myself.

Blackduck Sat 25-May-13 09:15:57

Off to London again today. Angio apparently shows block in heart, so waiting on cardio from harefield to review case notes (not just for mum, but a raft of cases) as to how to proceed (angioplasty, bubble, drugs). Also can't stop her bleeding from where angio was put in. Dad is not handling this so I've been drafted in.
This means I won't see ds for a week as dp taking thin to his mum on Monday before collecting me. My life seems to consist of trains, bags and snatched meals at the moment.

Alto good to hear about dh - I have a nice small lawn he could practise on smile

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 25-May-13 09:22:04

Sorry to hear about your Mum and all your to-ing and fro-ing, BD. But good news re Alton's DH. smile

I have a mild hangover. We went to pick up DD2 from a party last night and there was an adult party in full throttle upstairs, so we joined the bunch of very pissed Americans, and got home around 1.00 am. Luckily we remembered DD2.

CointreauVersial Sat 25-May-13 16:11:04

No hangover here, as I was the sober parent who pulled the short straw and had to pick DS up from his party at 10.30pm last night. I had a case of serious house envy - a beautiful converted barn, with detached "party annex". envy

rubyrubyruby Sat 25-May-13 20:43:40

I know it's the weekend but where are you all?

I'm sitting in the sun in my puffer coat with a beer waiting for DH to get home. I love the garden at this time of year - I'm sitting under our massive lilac bush smile

beachyhead Sat 25-May-13 22:17:59

I so envy you your lilac bush.... one thing I'm missing in my garden...

dd2 had a disastrous sleep over with a friend here last night. The other little girl was lovely, but my dd2 woke up, after about 6 hours sleep and too many Haribo's, with devil horns firmly attached and was utterly foul to us and to her 'guest', so we took the guest home at 10.30am blush and explained our dd was being a so-and-so!

Anyway, rest of the day went better. dd1 has gone AWOL to a friend for two nights having finished the bulk of her GCSE's which is great...

Took my dad his cucumber plants to put in his greenhouse, which is amazing and so much better than mine! Very galling as he is blind and 84!

Blackduck Sun 26-May-13 06:58:53

Went out to dinner with my dad in an attempt to a. Get him to eat b. get him to relax. I think it worked. Dinning room full of Harrow school boys and their parents so we people watched.
Mum is fine, bleeding has stopped, but they are not very friendly on the heart ward and just being there is stressing my dad out.
Today I will do her laundry and things, before heading home tomorrow. Not exactly a restful bank holiday!
Oh well....

hattymattie Sun 26-May-13 07:48:14

BD - good news about your mum. Shame they are not more upbeat in the hospital. Maybe the stress of working on such an intense ward. Crossing fingers she's out of the woods now and that you can get some rest.

We went to the chinese with friends last night and generally set the world to rights. I like people who you can have a good old ding-dong with and still be friends at the end. Not many around like that.

Today is Mother's Day in France so after my late night last night I was woken at 7.30 by DS with tea and toast in bed with a lovely card. Would have preferred an hour later but very sweet even so. No sign of the teenage DD's yet.

rubyrubyruby Sun 26-May-13 08:05:37

Sorry your weekend is not as you'd choose BD. it's sounds like your Dad is finding it difficult but at least your Mum is making steady progress.

DH is home but jet lagged. I went to pick DS up from a party last night and was overtaken by a flashing blue light police van on my way there. I followed it all the way to the party where there were 4 other police vehicles there and loads of youths outside with hands on their heads!!

Thankfully DS had gone to a friends up the road when he saw things getting out of hand. It was a bit of a heartstopping moment though.

rubyrubyruby Sun 26-May-13 08:06:59

Beachy - I love my lilac smile
We have plans to plant a wisteria when we move. DH loves them.

herbaceous Sun 26-May-13 08:14:49

Ruby - high drama stuff!

We had a night out last night, together, for the first time in ages. Two birthday parties, in pubs, one in Islington and one in Stoke Newington, which meant getting on a 73 bus slightly tipsy. It felt just like old times.

DP had flown in from Boston that morning, so was exhausted. He still, however, managed to stay out until 1.30. He's still in bed, and is likely to remain there for some time.

bigTillyMint Sun 26-May-13 11:45:18

Ruby, eeek!

Surprised I didn't end up in a ditch on our way back from the country pub - wine was goodwink

Now trying to get 4 teens/preteens out of the house....

CointreauVersial Sun 26-May-13 13:41:16

DH suddenly felt the urge to drive to Brighton, which is why I'm enjoying the sunshine through the car windows on the A23.angry

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 26-May-13 15:47:21

I have been to a "brocante" (2nd hand tat market) near us and have bought some, err, second hand tat (a very small engraving and an icon) for 14 euros for the two. I now need to a) put the icon with the rest of our icons, so that DH doesn't notice we have a new one and b) find a small home for the engraving.

Cremolafoam Sun 26-May-13 18:21:18

Lol mrs s. love a good vide grenier/ brocante. Dh always seems to find interesting things.
Lilac bush in my garden is still to bloom. Adore the scent of it.
We have had 3 actual sunny days, so I have put nets over the fruit bushes and planted up my window boxes. Gone for a pale pink and white theme and they will be pretty and hopefully a major distraction from the rest of the garden which looks like Wayne and Waynetta are in residence.blush

Hoping for another day in the garden tomorrow but the sky has gone black and its starting to blow....

herbaceous Sun 26-May-13 21:17:40

Gearing up for bed for my 3.45 alarm call. Gah. I just know I'm not going to sleep a wink for worrying about not waking up.

At that stage before a holiday of not wanting to go. Will miss DS. Will miss two of the best-ever 50th birthday parties tonight and next Saturday. All to spend it singing in the rain with mad people.

But I know really that I'll have a great time, so shall administer a slap.

Auf Weidersehen crepesters!

rubyrubyruby Sun 26-May-13 21:24:24

Have fun Herbs !

Beachy - I've been giggling about your stroppy post sleepover DD grin

Stropperella Sun 26-May-13 21:31:23

Viel Spaß, Herbs!

Dd went hormonally mad bonkers yesterday and was foul, but has now gone camping in Wales with friends. I hope she is being nice to them.

We have been making the most of the reasonable weather by being outside a lot, aside from lunchtime which was spent drinking a lot of wine and scoffing pizza. Dh then decided to paint the sheds, which was probably not an entirely good move. He was dropped the headphones of his new mp3 player in the paint bucket, the paint on the shed is not exactly evenly applied and he seemed to get more paint all over himself (why did he not do his shirt up??) and my plants than he got on either of the sheds.

Stropperella Sun 26-May-13 21:33:07

(dammit, why can't we edit posts? Then I could delete that rogue "was"..)

CointreauVersial Sun 26-May-13 22:33:34

Well, Brighton wasn't all bad, although I did have to endure the grim Pier, because the DCs were desperate to spend my money on dodgems and 2p cascades. I bribed DS with a trip to Hollister, and we escaped to the Lanes, while DH lay on his back on the pebbles getting a sunburnt forehead and the DDs got wet knickers jumping in the waves.

Everyone was on Good Form, which makes all the difference, although DH and I looked wistfully at all the civilised child-free folk drinking beer in the sunshine and browsing the art galleries, as we rushed past looking for the crazy golf and doughnuts. I'm looking forward to doing very little tomorrow.

Herbs - have fun, I'm sure it will be a lovely break.

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 26-May-13 22:38:23

Oh wait - you have sun and hot weather in UK??? shockenvy

CointreauVersial Sun 26-May-13 23:14:21

Sun, yes. Not particularly hot, though.

DH, being Irish, gets sunburn if there is a 10 minute gap in the clouds in February. grin

Blackduck Mon 27-May-13 08:16:50

Travel well herbs.
Dp is collecting me from the folks today after a pit stop at his mums to drop off hound and ds who I won't see for a week.
Sunny here today, but will spend a chunk of it in a car!
I would like a good nights sleep - am sleeping very badly.

bigTillyMint Mon 27-May-13 09:01:32

Tis even sunny in South Manchester Cheshire!

Herbs, looking forward to ohotos in yout lederhosen on FBgrin

BD good luck with all the hospital/mum stuff.

Stropps, have visions of medallion-man clutching a paintbrush!

CV how brave going to Brighton on a BH, but it sounds like it was a successsmile

We had a big lilac tree in our front garden when I was a kid. We have a small lilac bush in our front garden now. One of my most favourite smells.

We are having a fab time at our dear friends - went into Mancs yesterday for shopping/nailbar/footy museum/culture -RaquibShaw exhibitionshock and down to Castlefields which was mobbed with the end of the Manchester Run. Manchester tart, anyone?!

beachyhead Mon 27-May-13 09:11:09

Stropps, your house sounds like mine. Hormonal teens and paint splashing dh grin

bigTillyMint Mon 27-May-13 10:04:19

I am making the most of the DC being happy to be with their friends ATM - had a lovely evening last night with the girls (involving us taking a million photos of them posing and them doing our hair) whilst the boys were happily ensconsed watching some gory film.

Sadly, we have to go to DMs this evening, so normal moody, hormonal teen life will be resumed sad

motherinferior Mon 27-May-13 11:00:48

I am fitting together the crazed jigsaw of half term freelancing/childcare. The working mothers'' swap shop has begun ("if you have Emily on Tuesday morning I will have Naomi on Tuesday afternoon")... Sometimes I think it was easier when they were so little you just had to have formal childcare!

CointreauVersial Mon 27-May-13 13:25:30

Ah, I remember the holiday child swap, MI. When I worked four days I used to do this with one of my NCT friends, and I always thought I got the better deal - I had her two polite, quiet children for a day, then she had my three little darlings.grin

I have DM over for tomorrow/Wednesday for childcare duties, then on Thursday/Friday I'm despatching the DDs to a local activity centre, where they will be abseiling, orienteering and building woodland dens for the day (at vast expense). DS will be left largely to his own devices, but might be persuaded onto a football course. It's run by a friend, so I can drop him off on my way to work, and DS can help him set up.

BD, look after yourself......

rubyrubyruby Mon 27-May-13 20:19:58

A lovely day.

We relieved ourselves from sport, garden, house and revision duties and had a family trip into town and lunch at Jamies Italian smile

........ currently quaffing Prosecco.

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 27-May-13 21:11:02

I was at work, which is a bit mad at the moment.

rubyrubyruby Mon 27-May-13 21:24:12

My day didn't start well I have to say. DH and I had a rare falling out.

He has been away. He has been staying in clutter free hotel rooms with room service and in full-time 'boss-man' role. He needed reminding life at home doesnt work like that.

beachyhead Mon 27-May-13 21:28:22

Oh that's rotten, Mrs S... We had a family bike ride to the pub, about 5 miles in all, so it was great for dd2 who is still 7...

I'm low carbing for the first time ever this week, with the impending blue slinky dress. I still don't have shoes to go with it, I looked this morning in town, but frankly, I really have trouble walking in monster heels.... I'll keep looking.

rubyrubyruby Mon 27-May-13 21:34:25

What are you after beachy?

hattymattie Tue 28-May-13 08:25:03

Ruby - my DH is working from home this morning. This means I have to look lively and clean stuff rather than Mumsnetting. Also he has just switched of R4 on the grounds that it's disturbing him and I'm not even in the kitchen listening - true but it sort of goes on and stays on whilst I drift in and out.

beachyhead Tue 28-May-13 08:34:12

I think I'm after something that doesn't 'go' with the dress. As its navy, I could do a purple or pink shoe, do you think? Or should I be staying with nude, grey etc. the only heels I have at the moment are black and brown, so they certainly won't work!

I find heels easier than wedges, I think.

motherinferior Tue 28-May-13 17:53:52

Is it only Tuesday of buggering half term? Kill me now....

Cremolafoam Tue 28-May-13 18:56:08
bigTillyMint Tue 28-May-13 19:01:36

Well, after a fabulous weekend at our friends, we are now at DM's.
DH can now see why I am getting so frustrated with phone calls to her - word-finding capacity is abysmal! However, she has clearly not lost the plot yet, as her paperwork is in better order than ours!

Had a lovely lunch out with my fav uncle who is 86 and in a ukulele band (they do gigs at all sorts of places and have even been on the radio!) and is off to the TT races at the weekendsmile Hope I'm like him in 40 years time!

bigTillyMint Tue 28-May-13 19:05:00

Nice sandals, Cremo!

And MI, I am thinking, is it already Wednesday of halfterm tomorrowshocksad!

hattymattie Tue 28-May-13 19:31:08

I like the pink wedges Cremo (not that they're for me).

BTM - my parents are totally lucid but they say they have whole conversations with each other where nobody can find the right word. Mind you I have days like this myself hmm

Pleased to announce - a full week of school in France - I think we're through the one bank Holiday a week season.

bigTillyMint Tue 28-May-13 19:38:32

I have cobalt blue wedges not dissimilar to them!

Hatty, it's not the odd word, it's about 1 in 10 - she couldn't remember the words fridge and dessert earlier and had to show me what she meant - OK in RL, but rather more tricky on the phone! Plus I think she doesn't always understand what we are talking about because of the vocab difficultiesconfused

hattymattie Tue 28-May-13 19:48:48

Oh that's not good - mine are more forgetful of names of people, places, films and books but basic day-to-day stuff is OK.

bigTillyMint Wed 29-May-13 09:04:37

So how did the hols go CV, wilbur and MI?

We are driving back tonight instead of tomorrow as DD has parties to go to and is moaning A LOT about being away every school holidayconfused Going to take DM to see Gatsby this afternoon - I wonder if she will do her usual and snore through it.

bigTillyMint Wed 29-May-13 09:05:58

And thinking of parties, not long till yours, MI! Are you getting excited?!

motherinferior Wed 29-May-13 09:29:24

Oh, I'm very excited - just hoping the weather is nice enough for my dress!

Cremolafoam Wed 29-May-13 10:39:40

BTM I'm going to see Gatsby tonight too . Looking forward to the 20s

bigTillyMint Wed 29-May-13 12:26:51

MI, don't worry about the weather - the drink'll keep you warmwink

hattymattie Wed 29-May-13 15:54:16

Hope you all like Gatsby - I loved it - although hated the first ten minutes with lots of rap music.

rubyrubyruby Wed 29-May-13 16:10:12

shock DS2 and his GF have been here for 15mins in his room. They have just found DS3 and DD hiding under the bed!!!!


motherinferior Wed 29-May-13 16:12:26


I am wondering whether to buy some sale DM ankle boots, or a pair of brogues. Not that I can afford either but I need SOME kind of footwear!

hattymattie Wed 29-May-13 16:22:26

Brogues look good if you haven't got long feet on the end of skinny ankles. Sort of gives a gollumy flappy effect (I speak from personal experience). The DM's go up to the ankles and so cancel out flappy foot issue.

DD1 looks fabulous in brogues envy

wilbur Wed 29-May-13 16:50:54

Ha ha at Ruby's hiding children. How very diabolical of them grin.

MI - I like brogues a lot, but they only work on me at the end of K. Hepburn-style turn up trousers, but teeny feet like yours are probably good in them with skirts too. I may be delusional in channelling Ms Hepburn, but at least it's Katharine I'm aiming at and not Audrey. That really would be certifiable.

Hols very nice thank, BTM - ended up in Ludlow at an inn with rooms attached which was gorgeous. We ate everything in sight, and otherwise just wandered about with no fixed plans. Bliss. Dh gave me a lovely set of earrings and necklace which may make an appearance at MI's party. smile

CointreauVersial Wed 29-May-13 16:51:34

So that's why I look rubbish in brogues......

motherinferior Wed 29-May-13 16:53:06

I have mutantly small feet, it must be admitted grin

motherinferior Wed 29-May-13 16:54:28

I have had FIVE girls here, two of them mine, today. The older three have now gone swimming. My own DD2 has a sleepover scheduled at a friend's. So it's just one tonight, and I think I may purchase a bottle of wine to recover grin

bigTillyMint Wed 29-May-13 17:16:44

Oooh wilbur, Ludlow is lovely. And earrings too - aren't you lucky (must get DH up to scratch for 2015!)

MI, well done on the girls front. Brogues!

Gatsby was spectacular. Was also a bit confused about the mix of music, but that was maybe to appeal to the young ones? And it was a teeny bit slow at times (especially when sitting next to DS!)

rubyshockgrin At least DS didn't do that to DD not that it would have been very exciting - they have now spilt as she very definitely was only up for being friends at this stage. Sensible girl!

motherinferior Wed 29-May-13 17:54:38

These are v affordable as well as being pleasantly summery...

bigTillyMint Wed 29-May-13 19:22:12

MI <thumbs up>

BD on our way home now, but thinking about you - how are you getting on with your mum? Mine was in a post-stroke unit for a couple of weeks after hers, then home with NHS people popping in a bit. Very good support, actually.

We think she is intellectually OK for the minute, but word-finding is definitely worse. However, she was able to direct us to the cinema fine today despite having not been for at least 3 years, and then did a George Michaelesque dive out of the car when we got back so she could get the front door open quickly for us while DH parked up!

hattymattie Wed 29-May-13 19:29:16

Like them MI (so does DD1 who's looking over my shoulder).smile

Stropperella Wed 29-May-13 20:19:31

I frequently forget common words. I suspect it's the meds I'm on, so am not worrying about it too much as yet. It only happens when I speak and not when I write, so doesn't affect my work. The family is now used to me either acting out or paraphrasing random words in the middle of sentences. grin My short-term memory, which used to be spookily good, is now crap.

Nice brogues, MI. I have some that are v. similar. My trotters are not quite as teeny as yours, but are still quite small, although also square. Which is a bummer. But I appear to look OK in brogues.

Ds has a homework which involves writing lists of things that live in and beside fresh water, so we went on a field trip today to the water meadows. This meant nets, buckets, mud and, obviously, ds falling in the river. At least he only fell in once. The dog got unhelpfully over-excited every time we fished out something interesting, so he fell in five times. We saw a heron, caught two fish, a multitude of caddis fly larvae and a water scorpion. Dd took lots of interesting pics and all was well with the world.

We appear to have signed up for going rock-climbing on Friday.

bigTillyMint Wed 29-May-13 20:38:01

Stropps, I am impressed. I wouldhave just told DS to think of things blush

Still 2hrs of car journey to are no longer bickering - DD is sulking as DH took the ipad off her for shouting and screaming.

wilbur Wed 29-May-13 20:56:35

Equally impressed here at field trip, Stropps, that's way good parenting, innit. MIL helped dd and ds2 fish sticklebacks out of their stream while they were staying at the weekend and I was passionately grateful for the countryside immersion course. I used to spend hours waiting for sticklebacks and now I'm not sure I'd recognise one. And I certainly have no idea what a water scorpion is.

Ds1 has just revealed to us the existence of the school intranet where vast amount of Y7 revision guidelines and crib sheets have been languishing for weeks. angry The likelihood of him even reading it all, let alone learning it, before next week is slim, to say the least. Do boys ever get it together? Deep, deep sigh.

Like those brogues, MI, they are nice and slim for summer.

bigTillyMint Wed 29-May-13 21:00:29

Wilbur, my DS sounds very similar - Parents eve in a couple of weeks, so I'm hoping they won't confirm my worst fears....

We are very slack on the countryside front - PILs caravan site anyone? grin|

Stropperella Wed 29-May-13 21:15:18

Field trips are one of my few parenting strong points and we do lots. smile But only because I am madly keen on all that stuff. I completely missed my vocation - I wanted to be an entomologist, but due to teenage mental health isshoos and changing schools at a key point, I ended up taking subjects that were easy (languages, in my case) rather than what I was interested in (sciences). So the dcs are frequently dragged off to grub about in streams or rock pools and examine some less glamorous examples of British wildlife. Water scorpion

Dd is surprising me by being very studious about her upcoming first 3 GCSEs. She has been doing mucho revision and, when not revising, going to the gym/ doing exercise classes. (Although this last is proving rather expensive, as it makes her very hungry and she is eating an astounding amount).

hattymattie Wed 29-May-13 21:17:26

Yes well done Stropp's - mine would also have been Googling.

How old are your DS's ladies - mine is 10 - the DD's are 17 and 15 and good students. When I moan about DS everybody laughs and says "he's a boy". Even the teacher who has had all three of my children.

Stropperella Wed 29-May-13 21:21:46

My ds is only 8 and a slacker. But dd is just as bad and has been a rubbish student all her life until a few months ago. She is v. able and has been able to coast through until now with a minimum of effort. It's only this year that she has realised that she needs to apply herself or she won't get the results she wants. We shall see whether she has left it too late..

Stropperella Wed 29-May-13 22:01:34

Other wildlife project this week: photographing oil beetles and uploading data to buglife

Yes, sorry, I know... But I love this stuff.

CointreauVersial Wed 29-May-13 22:04:31

My DS is 13, and in full grunting, slouching, slacker mode.

bigTillyMint Wed 29-May-13 22:22:09

Hatty, my DS is 12 but looks about 14 and acts about 3grin He is loud and annoying as well as being a slacker in comparison to DD!

wilbur Wed 29-May-13 22:33:15

Ds1 is also 12. He is generally very sweet still - he has always been a kind and loving boy (although prone to bouts of furious showing off when he feels attention is lacking), but there is a vacant look and general grump that takes over on a regular basis now. I can cope with grunting and bad temper, but the gormless duh stuff is maddening. As for organisation, gah!

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 29-May-13 22:38:10

Crepeys, I have interviews for two jobs that I really want. But they have been scheduled for when I am on holiday - I will have no internet, no phone and only limited mobile phone coverage. (They have offered me a phone interview or I can do it from London in person or in Paris by video.) What do I do? If I were to do it in person, it would take at least three days out of my holiday, in Paris, two days. Shall I thank them for the interview, express my delight at having made the shortlist, tell them about the holiday and say "What can we do to resolve this?" Being interviewed on a clunky phone with limited coverage which keeps cutting out will seriously disadvantage me, but I don't want to take days out of the middle of my holiday. It can't be earlier, as the chairperson of the panel is on leave...

rubyrubyruby Wed 29-May-13 22:41:51

DSs - 27, 15, 14.
DS is the slacker

rubyrubyruby Wed 29-May-13 22:43:04

actually DS1 is 26

rubyrubyruby Wed 29-May-13 22:43:50

FFS DD is the slacker

bigTillyMint Wed 29-May-13 22:45:07

Sweet, wilbur?envy I don't think anyone has ever described DS as sweetgrin

MrsS, congrats on getting the interviews! Yes, do what you said and see what they suggest. Maybe there will be some sort of solution? How about skype on the ipad?

bigTillyMint Wed 29-May-13 22:45:28


QueenQueenie Wed 29-May-13 22:53:36

I only have dss (almost 16 and just 14).
Ds1 is incredibly well organised, hardworking, focused and very keen to do well (in middle of GCSEs).
Ds2 is completely disorganised, is all about minimum effort, but is fortunately very clever and very keen to do well (Year 9).
Ds1 not surprisingly finds ds2 infuriating...

beachyhead Wed 29-May-13 23:00:10

I've been very remiss and not thanked Crem for her shoe selection. Thanks so much there and food for thought. I might have to go less sandelly and more foot coverage. I'm paranoid about my foot sliding down and my toes all getting squished out the end, looking strange and purple... grin

Ha ha to the bed hiding children. I so pity my dd1 when she does finally get a bf, as there will be numerous annoying interruptions...

My DS is 12 also and not very old looking at all... Massively into wildlife, bushcraft and lots of making things with knives, axes, wood etc... He permanently plays the victim though, which is exhausting. Always feels 'got at' by the world, so gets a bit angsty...

Relations between him and dd2 are at an all time low, which is making both their behaviour appalling. They have two days apart later this week, which I am looking forward to immensely. As anyone read that book on sibling rivalry that is oft recommended on here? Any good?

Well done on your interviews, Mrs S. I would chuck the arrangements back at them and see what could be done. I think I would probably suffer the two day interruption to my hols than risk the video link... But I would have to pretty certain I was in with a very good chance.

hattymattie Thu 30-May-13 06:47:17

From what you lot say - DS can only go down hill until possibly redemption at about 18! I wish he would be interested in beetles and wildlife - he only likes the computer! I'm trying to read "My Family and Other Animals" with him to inspire him.

Queenie - your DS's are like my DD's - both smart but the eldest doesn't have to work and the second is a grafter. Very annoying for DD2.

MrsS - agree with everybody else see if interview is movable.

motherinferior Thu 30-May-13 08:48:00

I love the Buglife charity. DP funded it for a while grin (in work capacity, not personally) and the bloke who runs it is molto fabulous (and looks exactly like a bug himself. He plays up to this in photos with Big Glasses).

MrsS, I would take tactic of first chucking it back at them but secondly being prepared to take a chunk of leave to go back. I know this is a total bummer, but if you really want the jobs go for them.

I shall investigate those shoes. THough am giving up hope of anything bar large chunky wellies (which my autocorrect just tried to change to 'willies', fnar*) being appropriate footwear. Is a spot of summer too much to ask, eh?

DD1 is a grafter and well-organised. DD2 has been known to hand in her homework with a note saying 'sorry, didn't get a chance to finish this' (though that was last year and this year's teacher is a lot tougher). Both of them, however, appear to be in with the Studious Crowds of their respective classes - in fact DD2's lot are particularly studious, I gather. DD1 had mates over yesterday and they revised French shock....admittedly before going swimming.

*I sent out a cheery Christmas pic of my two on holiday in Cornwall a couple of years ago. The editor of a Rather Serious Mental Health Magazine emailed me back saying 'great willies'! I wasn't sure at the time if he was referring to the sheep in the pic, and then realised he was meant the Inferiorettes' footwear...

hattymattie Thu 30-May-13 09:41:45

Am wondering who programmed the autocorrect that cannot recognise "wellies" and substitutes "willies"hmm

I think there is a market for trendy wellies/hiking boots/town shoes ie. nice things that go everywhere - is what I'm trying to say.

CointreauVersial Thu 30-May-13 12:58:07

Arf at "willies". Not the first time I've seen that autocorrect faux-pas in S&B - it seems to catch out quite a few people. Have you seen that website "damn you autocorrect"? Some corkers on there.

MrsS - where are you going on holiday that has no internet? I agree with BTM that Skype has to be the way forward, if you can make it work. It would be a shame to ruin your holiday, but it depends how much you want the job......

hattymattie Thu 30-May-13 13:36:44

I reckon that would be La France profonde. (only guessing though).

bigTillyMint Thu 30-May-13 21:02:36

My Blake dress has finally arrived!

With a catalogue.

And I love everything in it.

rubyrubyruby Thu 30-May-13 21:45:21

Arf at wellies willies.

Manic week of house sorting - it goes on market in a few days <<wibble>> and packing for 2 x school trips next week. I am the only person in this house on the school run next week.

...... I have yet to reach the 'Jesus, WTF am I going to wear to MIs party?' panic.

rubyrubyruby Thu 30-May-13 21:47:43

bTM - did that used to be Isabela Oliver?

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 30-May-13 22:02:23

The autocorrect on my work computer used to change the name of my Korean colleague, Mr Chun, to Mr Cunt. I think he might have upset someone in IT at some point.

rubyrubyruby Thu 30-May-13 22:03:58

grin mrsS - have you decide what to do about theb

rubyrubyruby Thu 30-May-13 22:04:24

...... the interview ?

bigTillyMint Thu 30-May-13 22:04:56

I think it is - says both names on the websiteconfused

Hope it's not just you house-sorting, ruby - delegate, delegate, delegate!

Am hoping that DH and I can go out for brunch tomorrow on our own, as DS is going to help at footy holiday-club with his mate (who is here on a sleepover) and DD is currently at a sleepover party (hopefully they will be up late!)

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 30-May-13 22:05:23

I cannot remember if I have bored you all with the story of DD1, the school counsellor, and her determination that DD1 was failing maths? We have just got DD1's standardised test results through, and she scored "high" for the vast majority of the tests in maths, with "high average" for those she didn't. She is on the 81st centile for maths and WAY above the school average. So why am I paying for extra coaching?

bigTillyMint Thu 30-May-13 22:06:05

Yes, MrsS, any news on that front?


MrsSchadenfreude Thu 30-May-13 22:07:07

Re the interview, they contacted me, said very reasonably that it was their fault as they had advertised the interview dates as being 1st week in June. They will have a think about it and get back to me, but said it was not their intention to ruin my holiday!

bigTillyMint Thu 30-May-13 22:08:27

What is a school counsellor?
Presumably not the same as the ones we have here?

bigTillyMint Thu 30-May-13 22:09:52

Fab re interview, MrsSsmile

Will you be gracing MI's partay with your prescence?

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 30-May-13 22:16:08

Sadly not, BTM. sad I was also asked to apply for another job yesterday as well, so all hope is not lost.

rubyrubyruby Thu 30-May-13 22:16:17

Sounds hopeful MrsS.

bigTillyMint Thu 30-May-13 22:18:44

Aww, that's a shame - we will have to have one or two in your honour <winks at ruby> But good news on the job-front!

rubyrubyruby Thu 30-May-13 22:18:55

Oh that's a shame MrsS.

Am I still ok for the top bunk bTM?
I appear to be doing most of house sorting alone and rather curiously enjoying it hmm