NEW BRA THREAD HERE!

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Silverstar2 Wed 01-May-13 15:16:24

hello and welcome!

Wooo! I have more questions.

Is it normal to feel some slight discomfort when changing between different style bras? I have recently bought two t-shirt bras and though the central gore is very low, the sides of the cup come up very high and sometimes feel like they are rubbing under my arm pit. The bras are definitely the right size : no back fat, no overspill after scooping, central gore sits flat. Is this a style issue rather than a fit one?

HalfBakedCleverCookie Wed 01-May-13 15:46:19

The wires round my armpits were digging in when I was wearing a 32f, a 30g is perfect comfy fit.

Are you sure you have definitely got the right size?

I'm absolutely certain, it's not the wires that rub, it's the material as the cups are so wide at the sides.Perhaps it's just weird feeling because I'm not used to wearing a bra so big since before the bra intervention thread, I'd been measured as a 36A and am now in a 34F/FF

I suspect that's the size change - on a 36a the edges of the cups (and therefore the bits that can rub) will have been in a totally different place

That's what I suspected. There is, after all, a major difference in size! I'm sure I'll get used to it, it's just strange having so much cup to contend with when I'm used to tiny little bras!

BriocheBriocheBrioche Wed 01-May-13 20:38:55

Glad ive found this thread... I live in France where bra fitting isnt really done. I spent my whole pregnancy in ill fitting bras and now I only bf once a day I feel like my boobs are back to pre pregnancy size. All of my bras are old and tired so im going to treat myself to some new ones. How do I measure myself and how do I know when a bra fits right?

Brioche have a look at this blog - thebetterbracampaign.blogspot.co.uk which explains about fitting and measuring. The sizing guidance will give you your UK size.

For standard European sizes the cup sizes are generally the same but the backs are in CM. It's not a straight conversion though - basically years ago they came up with the "add 4 inches" method for bra sizing. In the UK, this meant that someone who measured 30" would wear a bra that was sized as a 34. In Euro sizes, rather than doing that they built the 4" flex in to the sizes. So someone measuring 30" (75cm) would wear a 75 band size. However, we now know that with modern fabrics etc adding 4 doesn't work anymore, so in the UK now a 30" wears a 30. But in EU sizes you now need to take that 4"/10cm off again - so now a 30" back wears a euro 65.

I believe french brands are different again - you may want to google for a size conversion chart but please make sure it's just a UK to FR converter. I think Freya or Panache may have one on their website.

ALternatively you may end up ordering from the UK anyway depending on your size - we seem to be a bit ahead of the game in terms of large cup sizes and smaller backs. I'm sure a few french-residing ladies have said getting good bras isn't very easy

Good morning, just checking in smile

sparkle12mar08 Thu 02-May-13 07:51:39

Ooh I thought you'd all run off together! Glad I've found you all.

<settles in comfortably>

So, having not paid much attention to comments on Bravissimo bras on previous threads, cos of some insanely wide set wires on one I tried previously, I'm now coming to the conclusion that their half cup styles really, really suit me. I have an opportunity to get a new Alana for pennies, so can anyone tell me about the fit on those please?

CelticPromise Thu 02-May-13 07:54:25

Hello all. Still keeping my mn time down a bit, but signing in to loiter. smile

SorrelForbes Thu 02-May-13 08:13:25

Good morning fellow bra-ites

Alana is much more forward and pointy than the half cups. If your boobs are quite shallow and rounded it may not work, bag at the front/nipple. Good lift though. Fits a cup smaller than a standard Panache style like Tango.

How comes you've cut back CP? <nosy>

ChunkyChicken Thu 02-May-13 08:25:16

I'm so glad I've seen this thread!!

I joined the bra intervention thread quite a few wks ago & discovered that I was a 30G/30GG instead of the 34(36 at times)E/F I was wearing.

The problem is I'm seeking nursing bras & really struggling.

I found a few on 1 site - the Royce ones seem baggy under the cup but come up too high on the chest to adjust. A different style was too small in 30G but I couldn't track down a 30GG.

I found a Panache (Sophie) one but the band is too big & I couldn't get a 28 from that retailer. Finally I found Bravisimmo do the style in 5 different sizes (28 & 30) so I'm awaiting that delivery...

Mine is a more general question though.
If the band seems ok when doing the 'stretch' test, is it just hunting for a good style to get the cup to be smooth & gore to be flat to the chest?

TIA

You are unlikely to get a non wired gore to lay flat unless it is one of the fuller cup styles like the Royce ones.

The Panache Sophie is loose in the band and small in the cup- am hoping 28H or even HH is on your order...

CelticPromise Thu 02-May-13 10:02:20

Hi married. A few reasons really, was spending too much time on here anyway, and I miscarried in March which triggered a bit of a break from lots of things. Now am doing more paid work and RL is busy in other ways. But I am on from time to time and I like to check in to interesting threads so I can find them easily.

Still desperate to stage a bra intervention on half my Zumba class smile

JazzDalek Thu 02-May-13 12:25:26

Hello all, I need some help confused

So I measured myself according to the Bra Guru's instructions, and results were 29.5 underbust, 33 over. Which I figured was a 30C, rather than the 34B I've worn all my life.

Popped into M&S today just for a look, and thought the 30Cs all looked on the small side, so came away with a pair of basic t-shirt bras in 30D (I know I should have tried on, but was pushed for time and wearing various layers of clothing and bags).

Tried on at home and found the band really uncomfortably tight - I could only just get it on on the loosest hooks confused. I also found that once I had 'scooped' myself into it as per the instructions, I was spilling out somewhat.

Anyway, went back to the blog and noticed this footnote:
"*there are a couple of exceptions to this rule. If you are very very slender and have no “padding” around your ribs then you may find it necessary to try one back size higher."
Is this me, do you think? And if I try a 32 band, which cup size should I be looking at?

TIA

sparkle12mar08 Thu 02-May-13 12:53:25

If you were spilling in a D cup on a 30 back, try a 32D instead. Bras should always be fastened on the looser hook when new and may well feel tight, but I wonder if you try a 30DD and E you might find that the tightness was because the cups were stealing fitting room from the back?

Hanginggardenofboobylon Thu 02-May-13 13:02:11

Found you again,

Quick question, how long should bra's last? I have noticed the bravissimo Satines have become much looser in the band. I have only washed them twice and have only had them 6 weeks or so (I have several other bras I alternate with too) I am now onto the middle hooks and they have way more 'give' in them. Newer bras in the same size are still almost uncomfortably tight.

I am worried that my bra bill is going to bankrupt me!

sparkle12mar08 Thu 02-May-13 13:25:45

I've come to the conclusion that it's worth buying a bra that's very tight to begin with because stretch seems to be a huge problem these days with modern fabrics. I'm even happy to wear an extender for a couple of weeks if necessary because if I go up a band they're useless after a month or two, like you say.

I'm finding my new 34 backs have already stretched after only two wears each! Problem is, I've tried and absolutely cannot get a 32 back round me never mind fastened so its 34 or nothing hmm

sparkle12mar08 Thu 02-May-13 14:21:05

Try an extender for a little while - even my local little waitrose sells them in single packs on their haberdashery stand. Or try a local independent lingerie shop if you have one, or a John Lewis. Will cost about £2-£3 for one, and they come in two and three hook versions.

sparkle12mar08 Thu 02-May-13 14:24:22

These are the ones in store in my local Waitrose. And there are loads similar on amazon with free delivery.

Will have a look for one. I'm quite shocked at how much the 34's have actually stretched, both bras have been worn twice each and the I can pull the backs out a good five or six inches now versus when I first got them and I could barely move them.

sparkle12mar08 Thu 02-May-13 14:33:13

I found the degree of stretch with some bras was ludicrous. I measure 31.5 under bust but take a 28 back in some Curvy Kate's, and even they are starting to give a little already! I trialled a CK Smoothie a month or so ago that stretched a full 8 inches by hand compared to it's laid out measurement. It's a genuine problem and so I now try bras for about four hours around the house, then try it on again next day. If there already seems a little bit of give, it's usually a sign for me to size down.

ChunkyChicken Thu 02-May-13 14:36:20

Thanks married and yes, I did think the Sophie was loose on back, so ordered 28GG, H & HH. As it happened, they arrived not long after I posted here (excellent service!!) but none of them really fit - they were still quite wrinkled/gathered around the bottom of the cup, with the gore far off my chest. However, the 28GG was the closest - if I pulled it 'in' so the gore was flat, it wasn't wrinkled anymore. I figured I should try a smaller cup... So those 5 are on their way back & I have ordered 28G & F (& their 30 counter-parts, just for comparison) to hopefully get a bra that doesn't turn my decent-ish cleavage into one fat-looking amorphous lump... Or is that too much to ask for??!!

I hate bra shopping!!

KatoPotato Thu 02-May-13 16:44:26

Okay please help! I'm 31.5 around my rib cage and 37 measuring the bent over droop!

Currently wear a 36c but have escaping arm fat.

SorrelForbes Thu 02-May-13 16:57:24

KatoPotato Try a 30E, 30F, 32E and a 32DD for starters.

CelticPromise Thu 02-May-13 16:58:04

Kate try a 30E, 30F, 32DD and 32E for starters. smile

CelticPromise Thu 02-May-13 16:58:31

Great minds grin

KatoPotato Thu 02-May-13 17:00:11

This is exciting, and prithee tell where I find such bras? Asda are appalling!

Silverstar2 Thu 02-May-13 17:16:40

Celtic so sorry to hear you have had a rough time of it lately, hope things have settled.

SS2

So sorry Celtic - I've been there too so I understand.

KatoPotato - try somewhere like one of the big department stores(Debenhams etc) for trying on. If you have a Bravissimo nearby they are your best bet.

Online - try Brastop, mycurvesandme, bravissimo, amazon, leia....

BriocheBriocheBrioche Thu 02-May-13 19:14:51

Thank you StatisticallyChallenged i'll have a read of the blog, get a measuring tape and browse the shops over the weekend to see what I find.

SorrelForbes Thu 02-May-13 19:23:47

So sorry to hear that CP x

CelticPromise Thu 02-May-13 22:16:08

Thankyou ladies thanks

CelticPromise I hope you are recovering ok flowers
Sorry if my question felt intrusive. I've been there too.

But how much time is too much on here?! grin

CelticPromise Fri 03-May-13 21:22:18

Don't worry married if I didn't want to talk about it, I wouldn't. smile

Too much time for me when I wasn't reading books or newspapers just MN app on my phone, all the time. I find this place a bit addictive and can lose hours on it.

xTillyx Fri 03-May-13 22:37:59

Ok so found this thread after posting on a bikini thread...
Had thought I was a 32a after having my daughter, measured myself with a dodgy online guide that said to take both measurements standing straight.

Just measured myself using the method on the blog and at 28 underbust and 33 over am I right in thinking that could be 28DD?

CelticPromise Fri 03-May-13 23:19:58

Dead right Tilly. Cup size is harder to do by numbers and sizes vary so try a size either side too and follow the fitting guidance on the blog. happy shopping smile

SorrelForbes Sat 04-May-13 07:08:03

A DD, well whad'ya know wink

xTillyx Sat 04-May-13 07:52:09

Looks like you were right,no wonder 32a was loose on me if I should have a 28 back. Actually a bit shocked and annoyed at how I've been advised in the past because I've never had a bra that did much for me!

SorrelForbes Sat 04-May-13 08:12:44

Join the club of many women who've had crap fittings and advice in the past. You won't believe how much a good bra can do for your shape and confidence!

xTillyx Sat 04-May-13 08:16:34

Well I'll look forward to trying some new ones out. Thanks for the advice!

SorrelForbes Sat 04-May-13 11:13:43

Currently sat in the Knightsbridge branch of Rigby & Pellar while my DM has a fitting. Happy days.

ChunkyChicken Sat 04-May-13 11:51:25

I think my boobs are finally settling down with the bfing (he's 6mths in a wk so you'd have thought they'd have been their 'proper' size already surely??!!). I'm measuring a good 2" smaller than when I hit the bra intervention thread a few wks back. So I'm definitely a 30"chest & I think FF/G cup (39" just).

Glad the original bras I ordered didn't arrive/took ages, as I'd have spent £30 on a bra that would've been too big already!!

Silverstar2 Sat 04-May-13 13:10:03

Ok, I am having some success with the Pour Moi? St Tropez full cup, I now have it in black, spice (lovely deep red) and latte, and may get this one next www.very.co.uk/pour-moi-st-tropez-full-cup-bra/1087627153.prd?istCompanyId=3bdc6c74-7f2d-4594-839e-e5b39b2661fb&istItemId=lpiimtmx&istBid=t&affsrc=acquisition&aff=google&cm_mmc=google-_-PLA_Women-_-Branded+Bras-_-uZZlfcw4_19027688921&prdToken=/p/prod14708036-sku25247874-AI&browseToken=/q/239em&totalResults=1

I still have some back and underarm fat, but think this is just me. My usual back size is 34, and my cup around a GG, but have this in 32H. It looks much better than the pictures I think - it is very suppoerive, and quite a 'perky' shape.

Worth a try........ and you can get them new on ebay for about £18/20......

blondieminx Sun 05-May-13 01:20:43

I am wondering if I am doing something really wrong with this new bra malarkey.

I have been wearing a 34C (as fitted by Debenhams about 6m after I stopped bf) but they aren't right - I'm getting diggy in bits at the underarm side of the underwires so I guess they're a bit small. But sometimes I'm not quite filling the tops of the cups, IYSWIM.

I came onto S&B having seen the bra intervention threads in Active Convos.... Using the better bra guide fitting advice - "hanging/dangling" and all grin I was coming out at a 30E.

I spent ages trying on 30E's and F's in Debenhams the other week and none were comfy, or fitted right. The cups were ok but the bands massive. I came out red under my boobs where the too tight wires were, and I was getting massive back fat issues, particularly at the bit where the band meets the strap. It looked hideous. Also the gore bits would not lay flat. Tried a variety of t-shirt bra's and plunge styles on. Last week I had an equally unsuccessful trip trying on a 32 band ones - same back fat issues.

So, what am I doing wrong here???

<awaits MN intervention>

SorrelForbes Sun 05-May-13 07:43:51

blondieminx I'm up early so will have a go!

OK, if you're measuring at a 30E using the guides linked to on here then I'm not surprised that a 34C isn't really working. The cup volume is roughly equal to that of a 30E however, you say that the 30Es and Fs you tried on didn't work either.

Massive back fat and a gore that won't lay flat is a sure sign of a cup that's too small. The gaping at the top of the cup suggests that the style is wrong for you. What happens if you scoop when wearing your 34C? Do you get quadraboob/overspill?

You will get red marks from a correctly fitting bra but the marks should all be in one place if that makes sense? A band thats too big will ofgten leave multiple marks from moving around your back.

I'd suggest starting again! If you can't get to a Bravissimo, go back to Debenhams and try some 30 bands on back to front. If they fit as per the guide on the blog then stick with the 30 (bear in mind that some bras inthe Debenhams Gorgeous brand come up very tight in the band so may need to size up. I'd say to stick with a 30 in most other brands though). Once the back's sorted, try on lots of different styles in an E, E, F and maybe even an FF. Remember to scoop all that back fat/underarm spillage into the cup. Be vigorous!

ChunkyChicken Sun 05-May-13 08:56:30

blondieminx not an expert by any means, but did you try other styles, like balconnette bras & so on? I'm currently bfing and have no clue what size my boobs will be when I stop, but I found that pre-DC, my 32DDs were digging in at the sides & so on. I also measure 30 now. I think that I have quite 'close together' boobs & perhaps a lower, narrow gore might work for me (will wait & see...). If you've had no luck with t-shirt bras in different sizes, perhaps try different styles?

Sorry - that's not v clear & a bit 'teaching granny to suck eggs' isn't it? blush

Peregrin Sun 05-May-13 13:56:00

Somebody up the thread (sorry, too lazy to check) asked about how long bras last. I've had mine for years, but I handwash them - the ones I put in the washing machine, even on a low temp cycle, give out much faster. For the record, I live in Lepel (Fiore and Athena styles), the only brand I've found that fits and feels comfortable on my tiny and relatively wide-set boobage.

blondieminx Sun 05-May-13 15:22:13

Thanks sorrel and chunkychicken.

Right, The office is a short tube ride from Covent Garden and I have a friend who works nearby, we're both going to go and have a trying on session there! Will report back, think I'm just a strange shape haha!

I tried a 34G bra as per advice on an earlier thread and its bloody wonderful , my post natal boobs look so much better :-)

Oh it was panache porcelain I bought, bloody great bra for big boobs by the way.

KatyMac Sun 05-May-13 16:18:49

I went to Joh Lewis in Norwich and the ladies there were amazing

So helpful and kind.....only 1 small(ish) problem they had no bras in my size

Then I went to Boux Avenue - where I was a completely different size but nothing really fitted (back riding up, cutting under arms, hanging off my shoulders)

So if I venture out tomorrow & go to Bravissimo will they have 32 GG/H/HH do you think or do I need to look on-line?

You'll have no issues getting that size in Bravissimo.

Boux were undoubtedly trying to put you in the wrong size - they use the old +4/5 method for fitting I believe.

KatyMac Sun 05-May-13 16:36:09

She put me in a 36........& then said goodness that is loose wink but even in my size the bit under the arm was very high & the back was riding up

The JL ladies were so nice

teta Sun 05-May-13 18:41:03

I went bra shopping with teenage dd.She measured 27/28 round the bra band.So they told us to get a 32b[she's size 8 normally].I measured myself while i was there and bra band was 35 and they told me i was a 40?.Bearing in mind i am a standard size 14 i was a bit shocked[normally wear 36d].When questioned by me the assistant said this is the way they are trained.This is totally wrong surely?

It's the old fashioned method of adding 4/5 inches and yes, it is very wrong.

Where was it?

Have you read the blog? I'd be inclined to fit your DD yourself but at a guess, she is probably more like a 28E/F

teta Mon 06-May-13 07:28:15

It was M&S Statistically.Dd has basically gravitated from an A to not quite a B cup so doesn't really need much support.She also doesn't like anything too tight on and said that the 30 inch bras were too tight.So we did end up coming away with 32 b's.

SorrelForbes Mon 06-May-13 07:54:41

teta. A 28 back with a big enough cup would definitely not be (or feel too tight) for her. As a size 8 it is highly unlikely she's a 32. I'm a 12 and wear a 30 (and measure 29.5" under bust). M&S tried to put me in a 36D. I am a 30GG.

My advice would be to return the 32B and never let anyone in M&S measurement again grin. If it helps, my size 6/8 teenage niece wears a 28DD/E.

SorrelForbes Mon 06-May-13 07:54:58

? 'measure her'

teta Mon 06-May-13 08:04:47

I'm sure you're right Sorrel.Though i remember i couldn't wear anything too tight at that age as the backs irritated me.I wore a similar size and was then a 10[probably equivalent to an 8 now].

sparkle12mar08 Mon 06-May-13 08:39:07

QQ for Married & co - you've mentioned liking the fit on Cleo unpadded styles for younger looking designs on large cup/small band size combos - do they fit basically true to size, and how is that in relation to say the Cleo Juna? I find that good on the cup but stretchy in the band.

But what cup size was she trying in the 30?

If she only tried say a B, then it would feel too tight because the lack of cup space means that the breasts basically "steal" fabric from the back, creating an illusion of tightness. I'm a 30HH roughly, if I put on say a 30G/GG it feels incredibly tight.

M&S are terrible - they tried to put me in a 36F.

KatyMac Mon 06-May-13 10:03:56

Off to Bravissimo now; wish me luck

SorrelForbes Mon 06-May-13 10:19:57

Enjoy!

KatyMac Mon 06-May-13 11:44:04

They are all very high under the arms

But the lady is lovely

KatyMac Mon 06-May-13 15:59:47

Not a good day at all

The lady was amazing but there was very little that fitted me at all

Oh Dear KatyMac. What did you end up with? Bravissimo are good but there are some brands (curvykate for eg) that they don't have much of so if you can tell us what worked we may be able to suggest alternatives

KatyMac Mon 06-May-13 16:12:52

30 was very very tight - so much so that I couldn't fasten at the front & turn it round
None of the 32s enabled the wires at the front to snuggle in properly

I have 2 30J but tbh I'm not sure if I will be able to wear them simply because I can't get them on without help

this one is not my colour
in cream

Have you tried fastening them the right way round? I couldn't turn most of my bras round either. Although you will find that they stretch off a bit with wear which may make it easier.

KatyMac Mon 06-May-13 16:18:24

My arms can't do that really

I feel a bit sad but I'm off out now to my mum's for tea - so that will cheer me up

Practice smile I struggled at first as I had always been a back to front girl but it is the secret. A well fitted bra really does struggle to turn round. There is a bit of a knack to it though.

By any chance did you try this or this? The first one in particular I think might be the same cut as your first link.

KatyMac Mon 06-May-13 16:29:01

Neither of them (I didn't see either in the shop)

I have the first - it comes up small in the back IMO but hopefully someone who has tried both will be able to confirm how they compare.

Hopefully some of the others will be along in a bit to suggest alternative bras for you too <sounds klaxon>

Hanginggardenofboobylon Mon 06-May-13 18:37:34

Turning them round is nigh on impossible when new IME, perhaps you could use a bra extender until they loosen up a bit?

KatyMac Mon 06-May-13 19:26:25

That's a good idea; I'll see if I can get one

cardoon Mon 06-May-13 20:01:50

Have just bought this bra from Debenhams, size 32E and it is such a revelation! I have been wearing either sports bras or molded ones and the Annabelle couldn't look or feel more different - I look like i've lost about a stone grin. Do you wise ladies have any suggertions for similar bras - I think it's the side support business that makes the difference?

AuntPepita Mon 06-May-13 21:37:52

Hi bra experts. I have been lurking on all the threads, nodding along, but now I need some help!

I have lost two stone recently and need some new bras.

I now measure 28.5/37ish but think i need less cup volume than that suggests. Suggests 28g, but I think more like 28f.

I have done JL and Debenhams and neither had anything ina 28 back. Nothing. I tried some Freya 30s but before I even did them up they were obviously far too big. I did get an estimate of cup size around a 30e/ so 28f.

I am not tiny by any means, but I have very narrow shoulders and top half.

Soooo.... What would you recommend?? Given the limited 28s out there.

Any ideas?

If you have a Bravissimo nearby then they will have 28s in stock, otherwise I would be tempted by an online order. Brastop, Leia, mycurvesandme, Bravissimo, Debenhams to name but a few all stock loads of 28s.

AuntPepita Mon 06-May-13 21:57:43

Sorry, should have made it clear. No bravissimo anywhere near, but I want to do an online order, just wondered what sort of styles/makes would suit?

AuntPepita Mon 06-May-13 22:05:20

Also, our debenhams had no 28s in. None. In any style.

Do you have any idea of what shapes/styles have worked for you? If not I would be tempted to order a few different bras in a mix of sizes with the intention of returning lots! Maybe try a plunge, a balconette and a balcony for starters? You could also try a t-shirt bra like the Freya Deco if you like smooth/seam free bras.

Did you like any of the ones you tried in Debenhams shape wise? Most Freyas come in a 28 as do a lot of their Gorgeous range, Panache etc

YoniOno Mon 06-May-13 22:20:51

Hello lovely bra ladies smile I have a query who h I hope you might be able to help me with. I would like a full cup t-shirt bra in a 30C - where should I look? I like t-shirt bras for the neat look they give me - I have little boobs - but the top is always visible under clingy tops I like to wear. Any tips? I don't like balconette styles as it gives me a weird pointy shape.

AuntPepita Mon 06-May-13 22:24:29

Hard to say. I used to have small boobs. Two babies, 3 stone and 4.5 yrs of breastfeeding later (and so 4.5 yrs in nursing bras) then 2 stone off I seem to have bigger ones and no clue about what will work. Seriously I am wearing the same 30e hot milk bra I have been wearing for the last 4 yrs. it really doesn't fit!

I got a panache Andorra about 6 months ago (which i wear to work) which is fab, but now too big in the cup and band (30g), but they don't go smaller than a 30. Andorra is a full cup I think - but don't seem to be any full cups in a 28.

I had a curvy Kate at the same time, but soon realised that didn't work for me - I think narrow shoulders rub the wide set straps. Are all balconettes like that? (What is the difference between a balcony and balconettes??)

Plunges...well I want support rather than having them flopping out the middle.

God I hate bra shopping.

Balconettes are lower cup as a rule than balconies - it does depend a bit as what one company calls a balcony another calls a balconette.

I would be inclined to look for a balcony but with relatively good coverage. I generally find better uplift from a balcony than a full cup - it's to do with the cup construction. In a balcony, the piece of the cup which goes under the breast is directly linked to the straps which many people find gives better lift. Some have wider set straps than others - that's a bit trial and error although I generally find panache are wider set than freya, Curvy kate also pretty wide. Bravissimo own brand varies.

You'll probably find that the straps on plunges tend to be closer set than on half cups.

For good uplift I like quite a few of the Bravissimo bras like the Alana and the Betsy Bow. For cleavage occasions their Satine is good - it is a plunge but still gives good uplift. Fantasie does some pretty good bras, Freya can be hit or miss. I like their bras which are made from the firm mesh type fabric but am not so keen on the softer cotton-y ones.

The Panache Andorra does come in a 28 back but not all retailers stock it that small. Try Figleaves.

ClairesTravellingCircus Italy Tue 07-May-13 13:27:55

Hello bra ladies

I would like to ask for your help please thanks

I NEED a tshirt bra, something nude that I can wear under white tops. Summer is looming and half my wardrobe is white/sheer stuff and I have too many ill-fitting bras.

I am a 32FF, and currently own

this that I love (even though int's in the wrong size 34F from when I was chunkier)

this in beige in a 32F and my boobs keep falling out (not sure it's a size issue)

this from wonderbra same issue as above

I need a low central gore but I plunge bras don't seam to be the right ones for me.

Any advice oh wise ladies??

Alicethecamelshump Tue 07-May-13 14:27:24

Awful day trying bras on. I measured at a 34f, the band was very tight, my boobs squashed and overfilling the cup, tried scooping the hideous amount of back fat into the cup which did nothing.
Sat crying in changing room at Debenhams. I just don't know what is wrong with my body shape or if I've even measured correctly?

Thank you for the earlier advice.

Alice that sounds like you need to go up at least a couple of cup sizes. The back will be feeling tight because the cup is too small. Once you have more space you will be able to scoop the back fat round in to the cups.

Please don't be discouraged, bra shopping can suck sometimes.

Alicethecamelshump Tue 07-May-13 15:22:00

Thank you SC, should I stay at the same band size? I'm so sorry for being such a pain

SorrelForbes Tue 07-May-13 15:33:30

ClairesTravellingCircus I'm a big fan of the Cleo Juna which comes in nude.

what was your measurements again? sorry on phone so searching thru thread is tricky

Alicethecamelshump Tue 07-May-13 15:52:39

Just tried measuring again. 35 under my boobs and 41 when dangling haha!

FairyPenguin Tue 07-May-13 15:55:04

Hi everyone. I have been reading the bra threads and moved from a 34A to a 32C a couple of months ago. However, I found that the non-wired bras I bought have got really loose and are now on tightest hooks (already) and the underwired ones are extremely uncomfortable digging into my ribs. I hadn't worn underwires for about 7 years since being pregnant the first time so I didn't know if my body just isn't used to it, or whether the bra was wrong or my ribs stick out too much. Either way, I went and bought some more bras at the weekend, this time 30D, non-wired. These feel good. smile

So my question is: is it ok if I stick to non-wired bras, or should i be wearing underwired?

byanymeans Tue 07-May-13 16:31:17

Anyone out there who can Help please?
I have been out bra shopping today 10 shops and have been fitted 4 times but none were the same answer.
M&S. 36d( which was far to big on the ribs andgave me 4 boobs)
House of fraser. Said a 34 dd or 34 f ( which they only had one bra that fitted me in that size and to be honest the dd was not fitting flat in the middle and F was to loss at the top.
Debihams 32f (which left redlines around my ribs and i had so much underarm bulge it was an efort to pul my arms down)
Bravisimo 32 E ( again tightand marked my ribs)

A have triedon over 40 bras today and only two fitted ok ish but they where expencive and plain black. I think im 34back but no idea on cup and totally lost as to were to go to get a good few not to costly bras? I haveabout a £50 max budget and no bras that fit so need 2 or better3 new bras.

it sounds like the Debenhams one was too small in the cup but that may well be due to the specific bra-its pretty common to vary a cup size or two from bra to bra. I am inclined to think that you are probably a 32. Some marks from a bra are normal really so that does not necessarily mean it's a problem. Can you measures yourself according to the blog guide

KatyMac Tue 07-May-13 16:54:42

I think my 30Js will have to go back; DH couldn't get them fastened at all this morning - he just couldn't stretch the material that far & he's a big strong bloke

Alicethecamelshump Tue 07-May-13 17:16:06

Thank you very much. I measured after reading the blog, I will try lots of different cup sizes on and stick with the 34 band.
This will sound so stupid but I'm sitting in a 32b that I had a long time ago, but have attached a bra extender as it to small, the cup fits! Nice uplift it is a balconette style, oh dear I'm a lost cause.

hi. what size should I buy. I measure 28 and a half round the back and 35 round the boob. thanks

sparkle12mar08 Tue 07-May-13 18:21:21

Cartoontrickster - Start with a 28F and sizes around that. So 28E, F, FF, and possibly 30E and F. All depends on the brand, style and exact cut. If you're not particularly padded around the torso you may find a 30 more comfortable but given that you're so close to a 28 I think the 28 will be a better fit.

thanks I am finding that my 30 back bras are a little big. especially freya ones, do they generally come up big?
I love Mimi holiday bras, in the sale obvs! but find them an awful fit.

Alice, I bet if you scoop you will find that cup doesn't fit smile

Katymac - that's a bit odd. Did you lean forward or pull your breasts in to the cup before you got DH to try and do it up? I'm wondering if it was a cuppage in the way issue maybe?

KatyMac Tue 07-May-13 18:44:59

I sort of lent forward and wiggled a bit so it felt right & DH really, really struggled

Hanginggardenofboobylon Tue 07-May-13 19:11:13

General info If anyone is looking for cleavage the curvy Kate elegance is er 'in your face'!!

Alicethecamelshump Tue 07-May-13 20:41:18

I scooped, back fat gone, hello bulging boobs... I give up! If I ever find the right bra that at the very least lifts my boobs from my waist I am going to put a pick on my profile, very fed up.

That does suggest that you are heading the right way with the 34 though - I would do another session but this time start with say a 34G. Put it on and scoop very thoroughly. Now, once the fit is right all that back fat will stay in ( you've seen how it works on the current bra!)

Depending on the bra, if the cup is too small scooping either just won't work (and it'll stay at the armpits/back) or it will come away from the back and escape out the front. Depends on how low the bra is. So, if after you try to scoop you either have armpit bulges, backfat or quadboob, go up another cup.

Out of interest - what brand were you trying in Debenhams? Their own brand, Gorgeous, is a bit of an unpredictable mare size wise.

ClairesTravellingCircus Italy Wed 08-May-13 11:29:56

Thank you Sorrel

It looks nicesmile

Any other suggestions? I have a 20% off code for figleaves and would like to order a few to try!

SorrelForbes Wed 08-May-13 11:36:23

Hmmm, just had a look on Figleaves for your size (32FF?). There's the Fantasie Rebecca which many people like. Personally, I don't get on with Fantasie, Freya or Panache!

I like the Masquerade Rhea but it might be too decorated if you're looking for a smooth bra? What about the Curvy Kate Daily Boost?

The Fauve Maya is a lovely bra too (sadly I outgrew my 30G and had to sell it!)

OnTheNingNangNong Wed 08-May-13 12:03:28

Could I ask some advice please? I have a bra that is supposed to fit, but every day I get horrid red marks everywhere- the band and cups, some days its really sore! Should I try to find another bra as this doesn't fit or is it normal?

Also, I need a push up bra in 32F- does anywhere sell them?

Naoko Wed 08-May-13 12:35:51

Debenhams Gorgeous bra sizing has gone completely nuts - I know it has a reputation for coming up small but this is insane. I tried on 10 bras. I'm normally a 30G, more or less. I had a 32G that wouldn't do up, a 30H that pulled 4 inches away from my back, a bunch of 30G that were too large in the cup but wouldn't even do up in 30FF never mind the cup size, two 32FF that were far too small in the cup and pulled 6 inches away from my body, but that I could've fit a friend in with me in 32G and had cups too big in 30G.... needless to day I didn't buy anything.

SorrelForbes Wed 08-May-13 12:44:36

OnTheNingNangNong you would expect to have some marks web you take a bra off, similar to sock marks or the marks left by a waistband. However, they shouldn't be sore. Are any of your bras worse than others?

When you say push up do you want cleavage or lift (cakes on a plate look)?

OnTheNingNangNong Wed 08-May-13 13:43:51

Thanks Sorrel I have one bra from Debenhams that is a killer for me, leaves marks for hours. It probably is just a rubbish bra.

I want a bra that pushes my boobs together a bit, they're quite far apart and in a lot of tops it looks silly. But I also don't look like I have any boobs at all. I'm quite self conscious about it.

Naoko that reflects my experience - I think they have massive quality control issues

I daren't buy any bra in Debenhams without trying them on first as the sizes vary so much. Out of around 20 that I tried on last time I was in there, ONE fitted properly and was the only one I bought.

SorrelForbes Wed 08-May-13 15:16:44

OnTheNingNangNong As you can from some other posts on here, Debenhams quality and sizing can be a bit random!

Try the Bravissimo Satine, the Freya Deco and maybe one of the Curvy Kate plunge styles? Elegance?

Hanginggardenofboobylon Wed 08-May-13 17:26:04

onthening as per post up thread, I can vouch for curvy Kate elegance and the tempt me for cleavage.

The tempt me is VERY cleavage giving!

ClairesTravellingCircus Italy Wed 08-May-13 20:54:28

thanks for your tips Sorrel

I have placed a (very expensive) order for FOUR bras! One has to fit me right? (hopefully NOT the most expensive one)

KatyMac Wed 08-May-13 21:10:56

I've ordered this one in 32FF/G/GG & I'll see how I do; if any of them fit, I'll take them & the 30J back to the shop to see what else will fit

I suspect they will be quite a lot too small in the cup KatyMac. I would take the 30Js back though if you can't do them up. Bravissimo are generally very good at sorting out any errors in fittings.

SorrelForbes Wed 08-May-13 23:03:11

I agree with SC. I'm a 30GG and wear a 30G in the Deco.

KatyMac Thu 09-May-13 07:27:47

My very old 34FF Freya fits in the cup (sort of) the back rides up but the wires fit against my chest sad

Do I have to send the website ones back to the website?

The poor lady on Monday was really struggling tbh

SorrelForbes Thu 09-May-13 07:40:39

The info on the Bravissimo website suggests that you can only return Internet orders by post. Someone on here may know different though.

When you tried your 30s on back to front, did they feel painful or just tight/snug/supportive? What was the issue with doing them up the right way? You physically can't reach around behind your back to the clasps? You could try with the bra sitting slightly lower down your body and the pulling it up a few inches to the correct place (right beneath your boobs).
This does sound like a practice issue but can understand how frustrating it must be!

When your 32s arrive, make sure you test the band first, back to front.

Bear in mind that you may be a 30 in some brands and a 32 in others. TBH if Bravissimo fitted you as a 30J I would expect you to need around a 32HH to get the same fit in the cup.

KatyMac Thu 09-May-13 08:34:53

I can't fasten them back to front at my ribs or lower; I have scrapes round my side from the wires

I can't do them up back to front as I have fibromyalgia and I don't have that much control of my fingers at that angle

I feel such a wuss; but if DH can't do them up at all, I don't know how the lady did

alemci Thu 09-May-13 08:48:07

Jaz Dalek I usually wear a 30 band in most makes but recently I went to M&S and in their make the 30 is too tight and I bought 32 which is fine. so bought a 32dd instead of 30E.

I find if the bras come up too high at the front then the middle bit may dig in on my right side.

Can your back get wider as you age?

SorrelForbes Thu 09-May-13 09:45:30

KatyMac Ah, I'm sorry, I hadn't realised about the fibromyalgia. Apologies.

Do you know though, if the lady in Bravissimo could do them up then so can your DH! I have to really pull hard on some of my bands to get the hooks done up but once I've achieved 'hookage' and then scooped like a mad women then all feels fine!

MrsBodger Thu 09-May-13 09:56:12

Hello - I'm 33 round the body and 41 round the boob. Can anyone advise me what size I should be wearing (most of my bras are 34/36 C)? And can anyone recommend a cotton bra, because I have tedious problems with eczema.

Thanks.

CelticPromise Thu 09-May-13 10:06:20

MrsBodger I'd start with a 32G. Surely you are spilling out of your C cups?

I can't think of a cotton bra off the top of my head. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable can recommend.

MrsBodger Thu 09-May-13 10:13:42

Thanks. I'm all over the place - in every sense . . .

Fab41 Thu 09-May-13 13:27:15

I have been smugly ignoring these threads as I was fitted last year at Bravissimo. However, I am more and more aware of how much the bras dig in to me, and by last night I was in agony. I have been wearing a 32ff, and measured myself today at 34 under and 43 over (hanging down, nice).
What size should I wear that might actually be comfortable?

Fab41 Thu 09-May-13 13:39:38

I should maybe mention too that I also have fibromyalgia and I can only manage to fasten it in front and then turn it round.

sparkle12mar08 Thu 09-May-13 13:41:28

Fab41 - try 34G and sizes surrounding. 32FF is probably at least two cups too small and if your own underbust measurement is accurate (it sould be tight) then no wonder you're uncomfortable. Can you fasten the 32 round you comfortably if you do it back to front? If so the band is probably right and you need to go up a couple of cup sizes. If the band is genuinelt really too tight than try one up on that too.

Fab41 Thu 09-May-13 14:07:58

Thank you, I will order a few to try.

Chipstick10 Thu 09-May-13 17:37:14

Have just been fitted for new bras and have gone fron 34dd to 32f. My new bras are so uncomfortable. Pain in upper back, u der my chest and shoulders. Bra feels so tight. It's horrible.

OnTheNingNangNong Thu 09-May-13 18:16:42

Thank yous to Sorrel Statistically and Hanging I've ordered a Curvy Kate bra and will never bother with the pain of Debenhams and their rubbish bra QC again.

That doesn't sound right chipstick - just feeling tight is kind of usual for a size change but the rest not so much. Where did you get fitted and can you give your measurements - thebetterbracampaign.blogspot.co.uk has a fitting section explaining how to measure.

itsMYNutella Thu 09-May-13 22:10:27

Good evening ladies, I've followed (rather haphazardly) a couple of the previous threads and ummed and ahhhd over measuring because I'm currently bf ... But my current soft (and very cosy) bf bra's are driving me nuts because I find myself making the shoulder straps tighter because I know the back band is too loose.

My measurements are under: 35 ish under and about 43.5 round.

Also can you please recommend any wired bf brands? Or places to buy them - it will have to be interwebs because the choice here in Germany is pitiful.
Thank you!

Could I have some advice, on my last (unsuccessful) bra shopping trip I was advised "the only bra that would help give you a bust would be a mastectomy bra" by a lovely woman in M&S.

I have now reverted to bandeau tops instead of bras, I have very little breast tissue left after bf for 2 years but have shrunk from a 36C immediately after dd to a 32A according to said M&S lady.

I'm not fussed about looking like I have boobs but would like a little lift with minimal padding as all bras gape due to the lack of breast tissue.

Any ideas anyone?

Naoko Fri 10-May-13 00:12:33

Measure yourself fated, firmly directly under the bust and more loosely over the largest part of your boobs while leaning forwards, and I'm sure someone will be along to advise on what you should be wearing with your measurements smile

SorrelForbes Fri 10-May-13 00:13:15

fated what are your under and across bust measurements?

sparkle12mar08 Fri 10-May-13 07:32:05

Given M&S reputation, I'll have a punt on, ooh, 28C/D I reckon...

herbaceous Fri 10-May-13 09:00:13

I have a quick question!

I'm currently in an M&S 36DD, but suspect this is wrong. Measuring myself when wearing a bra, I'm 34 under and 39 over, making me a 34E (is that right?), but using the dangling method I'm 33/42, which seems unfeasible! What would that make me?

There's a sale on Freya bras at the moment, and I have in my basket a 32F and a 34E. Would that be about right?

SorrelForbes Fri 10-May-13 09:07:46

itsMYNutella try a 34GG, 34G, 36G, 36FF and possibly some more sizes around that region (e.g. 34FF, 36F).

I'm not that knowledgable about BF bras but I think Bravissimo stock underwired ones.

SorrelForbes Fri 10-May-13 09:13:00

herbaceous. Some people do have a big difference between their upright and dangling measurements! Mine are 38 and 41 which isn't as big a difference as yours. It's definitely worth trying a wide range is sizes and styles as you'll probably be different sizes from brand to brand.

Start with sizes around your bigger measurements as your 36DD is probably squashing you and giving an incorrect result. If you scoop whilst wearing your 36DD do you get overspill?

Start with a 32GG, 32G, 34G, 34FF. Make sure you sort the band first by trying them on back to front. See the blog for more advice and trying.

herbaceous Fri 10-May-13 09:27:34

Thanks! It was one of those online 'hurry hurry' sales, so I panicked and bought a 32F and a 34E. Let's see how that goes!

While I'm on, I often find that bra straps fall off my shoulders, as if the bra is too wide. Is that a function of wearing too big a back size?

SorrelForbes Fri 10-May-13 10:02:23

herbaceous Not to worry, you may be lucky. Bra buying is very hit and miss, especially when you're trying to first establish your 'ball park' size.

Yes, straps falling down is very often a sign of a band that's too big.

When you get your new bras, try them on as per the blog. Make sure you scoop vigorously, taking all the flesh from right round the back into the cup. If you get any overspill or bluge then go up a cup (or more). Good luck.

herbaceous Fri 10-May-13 10:18:10

It's not as bad as it was. When I was about 9st 7, so pretty thin, I just bought 36B bras as I thought that was 'what one did'. They used to come undone on their own they were so loose.

KatyMac Fri 10-May-13 16:57:21

My new bras arrived & will be going back

32FF - way way too small in the cup
32G - too small in the cup & the wires don't go near my skin
32GG - cup size getting there but wires about 1 inch off me

32 is tight enough that it twinges when I breath in

I also got a 32K (in an Ellie because it was pretty and the only one in stock) and it was way, way, way too bi in the cup

so back to the drawing board

SorrelForbes Fri 10-May-13 17:47:46

Hmmm, sounds to me like you need to be trying 32H, 32HH, 32J and 32JJ. It's frustrating but once you get it right (and unfortuantely you'll need to repeat for each new style) you'll really notice the difference.

KatyMac Fri 10-May-13 17:58:47

How, umm, exciting

sad

SorrelForbes Fri 10-May-13 18:21:55

Well, um, not exciting I guess bra bore

KatyMac Fri 10-May-13 18:48:41

& I guess no sooner do I find a style that fits and they discontinue it&#128; wink

I wish I was a 34c or at least a size that doesn't need to be canterlever and build by Camel Lairds out of industrial girders

SorrelForbes Fri 10-May-13 20:27:44

KatyMac Hey, I feel your pain! My DSis loves the Bravissimo Tanzania but can't get it in her size anymore.

KatyMac Fri 10-May-13 21:12:06

At least I'm not alone smile

pseudonymity Sat 11-May-13 07:58:59

Hi ladies, after your advice I tried on bras and ended up getting a Freya Deco in 30E. It gives me great shape under clothes, the only thing is it digs in at the front of my chest and leaves terrible red marks from the wires at the front (not under the armpit though. Is it too small in the back, or just the wrong bra for me? The cups are defo the right size.

Quite possibly just wrong bra - Moulded bras are tricky anyway but sometimes even though a bra is the right size it just doesn't work on you. It depends on the shape of your ribcage too and how far apart your breasts are. I get quite bad marks from anything plunging because the wires at the front are much shorter and all the pressure is on a very small area.

Hedwig06 Sat 11-May-13 08:21:49

Morning,

I have tried the 34GG/H after advice from you all, but they fit in the cup, sit lovely at the back, but dig in under my arms? With a 34G, I have 4 boobs, and a 32 back in any, (G/GG/H) I can't breath.

Any ideas what to try next please?

My measurements were bending forward: 32/33 underneath and 43 over smile

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Sat 11-May-13 08:34:40

What does it mean if the cup is both too big and too small? As background, a 30GG Bravissimo Satine is just slightly too small in the cups but v comfy everywhere else, plus gives great oomph. So I ordered a 28HH Curvy Kate Princess bra, going on the advice here that Curvy Kate usually comes up big in the band and small in the cup. When it came, the band is, I think, just too small. The wires lie flat, but the cup is too baggy and wrinkly around my boob, but still cuts in across the top so I have quadboob. confused. I had the same thing in a 28HH Bravissimo Daisy Chain. Also, the Curvy Kate bra straps seem v wide and felt like they'd rub. Advice please!

KatyMac Sat 11-May-13 08:40:45

I am going wearing my best fitting bra 34FF; it fits under the arms, I'm all in the cup and the wires touch me. But the back rides up

The 30J I tried on again this morning & I couldn't even do it up back to front - there is just too much of me

SorrelForbes Sat 11-May-13 09:14:58

Katy. I definitely think that a 32 in the cups suggested above should work for you. Keep at it! grin

SorrelForbes Sat 11-May-13 09:17:57

Hedwig. What were the cups like on the 32G,GG and H? How did the band on the 32 feel back to front? It may be that you need to go up to an HH or bigger. However, some 34s may be fine too depending on style and make. It's all trial and error, sadly.

The digging in suggests a style and/or cup size issue. Have you scooped?

KatyMac Sat 11-May-13 11:00:37

32HH in Daisychain, which is quite 'old lady' imo & the only one in the the shop that fitted.

& they only had it white

Hedwig06 Sat 11-May-13 11:15:18

Sorrel Yes I scooped and the cups felt fine in the 32 back although it was the GG/H which felt fine even in the 32 back the G cup was too small.

The wires seem to come up too far in the 34 GG/H as they are right up in my arm pit.

SorrelForbes Sat 11-May-13 11:35:35

Katy. I bang on about the Cleo Juna but its such a comfy yet attractive bra. Have you tried it?

SorrelForbes Sat 11-May-13 11:38:02

Hedwig. I'd stick with the 32 bands for now but try bigger cups. Scary I know grin

TooExtra, I'm wondering if you have breasts which are quite full on the top? If that's the case then bras which have a more open constraction at the top (plunges like the Satine and also bras like the Curvy Kate Tease Me and most Ewa Michalaks will suits you better. You might also like the Cleo Juna. I have this issue sometimes as I am slightly top heavy in terms of breast shape so can have space and quadboob simultaneously.

It can also be that the bra is the wrong shape for your boobs- imagine putting an orange in a glass - space in some places but sticking out the top

KatyMac Sat 11-May-13 13:28:22

What size should I try the Juna in?

Silverstar2 Sat 11-May-13 13:43:38

Hello ladies. I thought I had it more or less sorted - think I posted before about the Pour Moi? St Tropez full cup - the 32H seems a great fit. BUT just been out shopping with my daughter and I caught sight of myself in a changing room mirror and OH MY GOD the back fat is terrible!

But I have scooped, and really don't think I need a bigger cup OR smaller back - I measure 35/46, and all other bras I have to have a 34 - my Juna/Darcey is 34G and GG.

Do I just have to live with the issue? No matter how mush I scoop there it is - all lumpy.

SorrelForbes Sat 11-May-13 16:53:45

Katy. I think you'll need to try a range, maybe 32GG, H etc.

I thought downsizing to a 34F from a 36E would solve my issues but it seems I need to downsize again. 3 washes later and I can do up my 34 backs on the tightest hooks no problem. I really wasn't expecting this so am going to go and try on some 32G and see if it solves my probloem

It's tricky Silverstar. I manage to scoop most of my backfat but I do still have some and in my case, some of it is just plain fat cos it's not like that when I am a bit slimmer. So the right bra makes it as good as it can be but it's not perfect because I'm kinda podgy!

OneLittleLady - some brands really are super stretchy and I've invested in an extender for this reason. Those which I know to be stretchy - Curvy Kate I am looking at you - I will probably downsize in next time.

sparkle12mar08 Sat 11-May-13 18:01:39

Curvy Kate padded ranges are sooo bad for stretching. I measure 31.5 underneath yet wear a 28 in padded CK's! I've told this story before but some of the CK Smoothies I trialled had a massive 8 inch stretch by hand from their laid out flat to pulled as hard as I could measurements shock Oddly enough though I find their normal unpadded ones very true to size, and wear a 30 in those on the loosest hook, and they don't seem to give anywhere near as much.

ArlingtonStringham Sat 11-May-13 19:05:44

I went to bravissimo to get fitted because of these threads - and got the panache porcelain bra in a 32FF, it fits perfectly... I thought I was a 36DD!! My boobs thank you - its now the only bra I can wear and all my other ones are now useless!

I wanted to ask the bra gurus how Mimi Holliday bra sizes come up compared to the Panache? - if I were to get a 32FF 'comfort' one would it be around the same size?

It's been a while since I tried Mimi Holliday (I was around a 30G at the time so similar size) and tbh they just weren't sturdy enough for that amount of boob blush . They might have improved but the designs then just weren't scaled properly

ArlingtonStringham Sat 11-May-13 19:53:31

Thank you!

I'm 29" under bust and 30" at the fullest part leaning forwards hmm

SorrelForbes Sat 11-May-13 22:39:30

Hi fated. Sounds like you could be a genuine A or B cup. I'd start with a 28B and take it from there. Don't be afraid to try a 28C too in some styles.

SorrelForbes Sat 11-May-13 22:45:49

I took my 14 yr old D niece bra shopping today for the first time since I had her fitted properly last year. She was a 28DD but now needs a 28F/FF. Debenhams had one bra in a 28 and House of Fraser had none at all.

The shop assistant in Debenhams said that they had stopped stocking them as the buyers are adamant that there is no demand. I pointed out my DN and my DSis (also a 28) and said that obviously that wasn't true! She agreed and asked me to email the Gorgeous team at Debenhams.

The shop assistant in HoF said pretty much the same thing. They don't carry them as they don't sell that well. This has got to be down to a combination of bad fitting and lack of customer awareness. After staging many interventions amongst family and friends, I know at least 6 that need a 28 band. So depressing.

alemci Sun 12-May-13 10:09:05

pseudomity I seem to have this problem with some bras. I find this in the Fantasie Rebecca as the gorge comes up high and makes marks. This is going up from a DD to E when alot of the bras seem to be this style.

KatyMac
So glad you reported back!

If Daisy Chain was the only bra that worked then I have a very good idea what the issue is and why your fitter struggled. Don't order the Juna, it will flap about at the top.

You need a cup that is longer and narrower than most. (Imagine that your boobs project forward in a tubular/rugby ball shape rather than being round.) This in why none of the wires sit back properly, or when they do, the cups then point downwards, push apart or boob spills over the top.
It's like trying to put on a square shoe!

The following bras should work.

Bravissimo Aleya or Boudoir Beau (32H or 32HH- you may need to try both)

Panache Jasmine and Idina. I'd try the H in the Jasmine and HH in the Idina.

(Sorrel try the Idina balconette, it's right up your street. Go for your upper cup size smile)

Freya Rio 32H.

Almost any current Cleo non-padded balconette style. Meg and Marcie run big but most of the others are true to size.

To get the bras sitting right when your boobs are this shape, fasten and scoop whilst leaning right over so that your boobs hang forward and settle into the cups that way. The profile is much narrower so your boobs project forward whilst not squishing into your armpits!

Some people find the Cleo wires are higher underarm, but as they are in a narrower U shape, it tends to be less of an issue than other Panache shapes as the wires don't wrap around behind your boobs and into your armpit.

For those of you struggling with finding styles. If your 'dangling' measurement is significantly different to your 'over bust when standing'
one, the suggestions above may be useful.

If you find that Cleo styles dig at the centre gore, then this scenario does not apply.

KatyMac Mon 13-May-13 07:59:26

Freya Rio - this is a old favourite, my no longer fitting 34ff is this style

But it seems to be being phased out/out of stock

I tried the boudoir & the Aleya but only in the 30 and they weren't comfy & I can't find the Jasmine at all

SorrelForbes Mon 13-May-13 08:45:34

Married. A veritable (bra) chest full of knowledge as ever grin. I'll have a look at the Idina. I wish Iived nearer a Bravissimo. The range available at my local Debenhams and HoF is getting smaller and smaller.

Rio is still stocked at Debenhams and Figleaves and was my favourite for many years. Sounds like you may need the 32GG. The Jasmine is also on Figleaves and possibly Amazon but Bravissimo are apparently getting it in another colour in the summer. Boudoir Beau/Aleya are not always the right cup style if there is less volume in the boobs like mine...

SorrelForbes Mon 13-May-13 10:20:02

married I just Googled the Idina and the blurb says that it's the same shape as the Tango which I have tried previously but to no avail. TBH, I think I was trying the wrong sizes last time so may give it another go! Does it give better lift than my beloved Juna?

amazingface Mon 13-May-13 11:00:54

Hello

<starts weeping>

I fear I will never again own a bra that fits and is comfortable! Sorry for the impending essay....:

OK, so I measured myself and I'm 28' under and 31/2 over. (I'm a small size 8.) Armed with the better bra info, I went into a department store and tried on a Calvin Klein 30D. It was beautifully comfortable and the back felt great, so I bought it. However, it's VERY VERY PADDED, which I somehow failed to notice, and I look ridiculous in it, like I have a mono boob ballon strapped to my chest. The cups don't sit flat at all. Despite that, the back is soft, tight, and comfortable. So, back fine, but cups too big.

OK, so I then went into an independent boutique and got measured. The boutique owner tsked at the 34As I'd been wearing my adult life and put me in a 30B. I knew that according to you ladies this cup size was still a bit small. But the bra did seem to fit well, so I bought it. Now, though, I don't like it - it's one of those tight mouldy convertible strapless ones and it's very painful to wear, really digs in. sad I've worn it quite a bit but have to wear it on the loosest settings. IMO both back and cups are too small.

I now own only ONE old bra that is vaguely comfortable to wear. It's a 32B and I can't tell what the brand is, I got it in TMaxx. I think it's 'O Lingerie' or something like that, but I've never heard of it.

Can anyone help and suggest brands that have underwired but COMFORTABLE and NON-UGLY mouldy bras, in a size that might be realistic? Anybody out there with my stats that has found success?

flowers

amazingface Mon 13-May-13 11:33:42

Sorry, should confirm - I don't want a moulding type bra, just a nice everyday one.

based on your measurements and what you are describing I would guess you really need a 28d or a 30c probably depending on brand. Calvin klein are notoriously small in the back so needing a 30 from them is no surprise. strapless bras are a law unto themselves at the best of times but the cup being too small cab also make the back feel tight

amazingface Mon 13-May-13 14:04:53

Thanks Statistically. Agree about the strapless bras, what a headache confused. I will report back if I find anything!

Sorrel It's not like the bloody Tango so ignore the blurb! It fits much better on deeper set boobs and the top of the cup is stretchy so no gaping.

Plenty of lift, no matter how soft your boobs are. A pleasure to fit so far, just wish it went bigger in the cup.

SorrelForbes Mon 13-May-13 20:44:52

Well, I thought it looked different in the pics so was a bit surprised to read all that! It sounds good so I shall give it a whirl salesman's dream.

SorrelForbes Mon 13-May-13 20:46:47

Ooh, £24 at Debenhams!

why is finding a bra so hard! so what if you seem to fill the cups well when standing in the fitting room but by the time you've spent all day in it everything has moved and they are now baggy.
I find it makes a huge difference if I'm having a fat day as to whether a 30 feels tight in the back or not (i measured at 28 and a half)
the last bra I got was a freya one the assistant in house of Fraser checked it and seemed happy. I could already do it up on the tightest but instead of suggesting a smaller size just told me not to wear it on that hook as you shouldn't buy a bra wearing it on the smallest. I expressed concern that the wire was level with the middle of my arm pit when I thought it should be more where the pit starts. she said this was fine. this bra is perfect until I move!
should I buy 28's and an extender to use until they stretch a bit. or am I just buying the wrong shape?

cartoontrickster
It sounds as if the overall width of the wires spreads too far around towards your back if they are coming up into the centre of your armpits. I'd suggest trying some of the styles mentioned on my post to katymac yesterday as they would position your wires more to the front.

thanks ill take a look. my quest the perfect bra continues!

SorrelForbes Tue 14-May-13 15:44:28

I'm going to add another layer of pain to the great bra hunt; the search for the perfect strapless number.

I'm a 30GG but I thought I would be fine in a Wonderbra Ultimate because although it only goes up to a G, I'd heard it was small in the back so figured a 32G could be the answer. My local Debenhams only had a 30G and a 32FF neither of which were any good (the former too small in the band and the latter too small in the cup). There was no 32G but going on how small the FF was, I can't imagine that the 32G would be much better.

Then I tried this in a 30G and 32G. Again the former was too small in the back. Both were way too small in the cup.

Finally I tried this in a 30H and 32G (random but the only 30 and 32 they had above a DD cup). The 32G was huge in the back even on the tightest hook. The 30H was a good fit in the band and the centre gore was almost flat but, oh dear, I had empty material at nipple area and a shelf of bulging flesh above the top of the cup.

I can't really judge the Wonderbra with regards to lift as I couldn't really tell because of the cup issues but the two Gorgeous bras, the second one in particular, were useless. I might as well have not been wearing a bra for all the lift they gave.

So, any suggestions? It's going to have to be an online order as those were the only strapless bras my Debenhams had in stock. HoF didn't have anything except the Wonderbra and the biggest they had was a 32F.

ChunkyChicken Tue 14-May-13 15:52:20

I'm back and struggling!!!

I have finally received my replacement Panache Sophie Nursing bras in sizes 28G and FF and 30G and FF. The 30s are definitely too big in this style (my measurement is 30.5 so, in theory, it should fit) and the 28 feels very snug but I can put it on back to front and pull it around etc but it doesn't ride up when I lift my arms, so all good.

However, I think the G is too small, despite trying the 28GG and finding it a bit big - it seemed to wrinkle up under the cup iirc and wouldn't hold the scoopage and the straps needed tightening up. On this one, if I scoop, it stays, but I get a clevage to proud of and the gore is so far away from my chest, I'm almost mono-boobed... If I look side on, I have slight quad-boob. If I don't scoop, it doesn't look too bad initially, and isn't squashing my boobs much (I measure round the same upright with and without bra), but then I have unsightly bulges I the armpit area!!

I have tried every size from 28FF to 28HH, and NONE of them have fit properly. I have a few cheaper/crappy 34F bras that don't fit properly either, but I don't want to buy new ones that don't fit!!!

Other than sending them back and trying to 28GG again, I don't know what to do.

I don't have a Bravissimo near here unfortunately - the nearest decent bra shop is Rigby and Peller (although there is John Lewis and HoF, but I don't expect them to have many 30FF or similar, let alone nursing bras). I am so tempted to jus go to R&P and just get a fitted bra, any bra, doesn't have to be a nursing one, just so I have a cleavage and support and don't look like I have an inflatable ring around my chest sad angry

If I give my measurements, could someone advise me? I am 30.5 around and 39 dangling (37 if stood upright).

I'm looking for nursing bras really, as I want to keep feeding DS until he's a year, but if I could get a supportive, decent, well-fitting bra that gave me a decent shape, then I'm sure I could work around the lack of clips, maybe hmm

TIA smile

Sorrel my Wonderbra is a 32G and fits OK so I wouldn't rule it out - the sizing on them is a bit whacky!

Chunky chicken, those measurements suggest a 30G - so in a bra where you need the 28 back I would expect a 28GG to be needed. Nursing bras are a total pain and very tricky to get right I am afraid as they just don't offer the same support. There are some wired ones around - Ewa Michalak and Anita do them I believe although it looks like Anita start at a 32. Many ladies have gone for converting bras - you can buy the converters on ebay so that may be an option?

ChunkyChicken Tue 14-May-13 23:04:17

Thanks statistically that's great. I will have a look at the other options, but I am seriously tempted to go down the converting route, especially if I go to Rigby and Peller and can get a proper fitting, and ideally, walking away with a fitting bra. I feel like a bit of a berk sending the bras back and asking for a size I've already tried, so I think I'll have to try other styles. Thanks.

SorrelForbes Thu 16-May-13 14:47:49

Thanks SC I've ordered the 32G in the non-lacy black so we'll see!

married My Panache Idina arrived today. Sending extra bra points your way you genius you! I ordered my usual 30GG and it's a perfect fit. Very similar uplift to the Juna but less bulky material. Three hooks too which I love. I think this could be the bra I wear for my show (lots of lifting and being turned upside down whilst still needing to show a bit of cleavage!)

KatyMac Thu 16-May-13 17:06:29

Freya Rio - I couldn't fasten at all!
32H & 32GG

So back they go tomorrow sad

Maybe the 34 in the Rio?

KatyMac Thu 16-May-13 17:07:20

Is it true that black bras are smaller than white bras of the same style because the dye affects the elasticity of the material?

sparkle12mar08 Thu 16-May-13 17:59:03

Yes, and I've found that navy is prone to that too!

itsMYNutella Fri 17-May-13 13:38:16

Aaarrrggghhh hello, back for some more tips (you ladies are awesome and I thank you so much for your advice). My order arrived from bravissimo... Sadly there is waay too much cup on all the bras I ordered and scooping in a non wired bra seems pointless - stand up and feel it all move again!

So still on the search for a nursing bra that fits and a wired one if possible!

I ordered a mix of 34 and 36 and in black and in white.... The 34 white seems right and the 36 black seems alright... So should I orders range of sizes again just in smaller cup sizes? My boobs seem a bit lost in a G

itsMYNutella Fri 17-May-13 14:10:17

Sorry had to put DS down for a nap....
Should I order smaller cup sizes still in a mix of cup sizes? And does anyone know how different wired and non wired sizes are in a nursing bra?

itsMYNutella Fri 17-May-13 14:15:32

Sorry, I meant a mix of cup and back sizes....

ChunkyChicken Sat 18-May-13 19:54:42

Seeking yet MORE advice I'm afraid...

If I go down the converting a bra route...

Can I convert the Bravissimo Alana?
What is the fit like on this one? Should I order a 30G and cups either side or go for different band sizes too?

I like the look, and the offer of some support. Not so sold on the fact a breast pad might show through the lace though but willing to try!!

Thanks again.

The Alana is fairly solid fabric. I wear my normal back size - it's possibly on the tighter side of a 30 but I don't size up. Cup size comes up small though - I'd go up one from your usual probably. Don't know about converting though as I haven't done it personally.

Bessie123 Sun 19-May-13 00:28:14

32GG shock

Where can I buy one of those???

sparkle12mar08 Sun 19-May-13 08:42:28

Brastop.com, Bravissimo, Debenhams, John Lewis, most places really. It's not a hugely outlandish size (I'm a 30H!) but you'll probably have to order online so try and make sure you order from places with free returns!

TheCatcherInTheRye Sun 19-May-13 11:47:44

I'm sure you've all heard this before, but I've never read these bra intervention threads before and I thought I was doing just fine with my bra purchases. For some reason just now I was tempted to open this woman's bra intervention question thread, and one thing led to another and I followed the link to someone's MN blog on how to measure myself and now I find myself sitting here in disbelief. I'm tiny. Please help me!

So the first under bust measurement should be snug, I come out at a 32 band size when I've been wearing a 34. That's not so off. I've found all the tips about how a bra should wear really helpful, that they shouldn't ride up, that the front middle bit should sit flat on my chest, etc., really brand new information for me! All good stuff.

But, of course, the second measurement, this can't be right. How tightly or loosely should I be measuring?

sparkle12mar08 Sun 19-May-13 12:17:32

So what is the measurement? We're unshockable, I promise!

TheCatcherInTheRye Sun 19-May-13 13:49:59

Oh! Thanks, I know it's going to be more of a shock to me than anyone else. I am small. I measured 38 inches, I've been wearing a B cup?????

sparkle12mar08 Sun 19-May-13 15:00:17

So 32 and 38, yes? That makes you a 32 E by my reckoning. Underbust should be firm and over bust looser but not baggy, iyswim. 32E is still highstreet territory ime. How tightly are you measuring underneath? If you can fasten new 32's on the tightest hook you'll need to size down on the band and up in the cup to 30F's and FF's. So I'd start by trying 32E & F, and 30F & FF. Do a big order in lots of styles and all those sizes from somewhere like Brastop or Bravissimo where they do free returns. Be prepared to spend an inordinate amount of time (and money, at least till it gets refunded!) to find the right combo for you. I recently spent about £800 across two months and 40+ bras to find three or four that were great! 'S worse than jeans shopping, I swear!

Lambzig Sun 19-May-13 16:32:11

Hello, can I please get you to help me too? None of my pre baby bras work (cups too tight, band too loose). I thought I was a 34C/D and M&S just measured me as a 36C, but that felt even worse and I have just lost 10 lbs, to make it trickier.

I measure 32 inches around the band and 37.5 inches at the fullest part (measuring bent over at 90 degrees, with no bra on, is this right?).

sparkle12mar08 Sun 19-May-13 17:17:49

Lambzig, try the same as above, 32E & F, and 30F & FF! Given that you're a half measurement overbust you might want to try a 30E as well but expect that will be too small in the cup.

Lambzig Sun 19-May-13 17:43:41

Thanks, sorry typing while wrestling a six month old which is why I didn't register it was the same as above. Cannot believe I could be an E cup!!

SorrelForbes Sun 19-May-13 18:06:30

Honestly, an E in a 32 back isn't very big at all. My young niece (sixe 6/8) wears a 28FF and she certainly isn't big busted.

Bessie123 Sun 19-May-13 21:47:06

Thank you sparkle, I will have a look. Incidentally, can I just check I have it right? 32 round the rib cage, 44 round boobs at 90 degrees. 32 gg, no? I tried on my old bra from before I lost weight, 32 HH, and the cups were a bit big but the band seemed ok. It was a bit sticky in on my sternum though, where the cups meet.

SorrelForbes Sun 19-May-13 21:48:39

Hmmm, I'd say a 32HH on the measurements above. What are the cups on your current 32HH like, if you scoop?

Bessie123 measurement suggest a 32HH but the cup measurement is always rougher. From the description I would try a 32H and 32GG and see how they fit. Remember to scoop vigorously - I find this is especially necessary after weight loss

pigleychez Sun 19-May-13 21:54:57

Hoping for some help from you lovely lot.

Can someone point me in the direction of the post of how to measure properly please.

Ive probably been in the same size bra's for about 20 years, which im pretty certain is wrong! Had 2 kids since then too!
Lately ive noticed abit of overspill/4 boobs too which isnt a good look so this thread might be the kick up the bum I need to get it sorted.
Ive just started a new exercise regime too so with a new slimmer me (hopefully) and decent perky pair would be lovely!

TIA

Bessie123 Sun 19-May-13 22:16:04

Hmm, I don't know that I scooped vigorously but the cup seemed big across the tops of my boobs. I think I will try again in the morning. Thanks for the help.

SorrelForbes Sun 19-May-13 22:19:58

Bessie123 It could be a style issue. I have a couple of bras which are a little empty right at the top of the cup. The next size down though gave me quadraboob!

It is quite possible it is a bit big - as someone who has lost (and gained...and lost...and gained...) fair amounts of weight I find that when I have just lost weight my boobs can be a bit soft for a while. It generally sorts itself out, but it could easily mean you measure a bigger cup than you need. Once the back is right the cup comes relatively easily.

pigleychez Sun 19-May-13 22:27:24

Thanks for the link.

So....
my measurements are 32.5 and 40.5 So i'd need 32D? Is that right? what about the .5? Would I need an E maybe? Is it just a case of try and see? Currently wearing a 36C!

Where's good places to buy bra's from?

Sorry for lots of questions... If I can get good boobs I would be a very happy lady smile

32.5 and 40.5 would be roughly a 32FF

pigleychez Sun 19-May-13 22:46:36

Ahhh, Silly me was counting in 2's! 32, 34, 36 etc! blush

Blimey! Really that big! shock

OohMrDarcy Sun 19-May-13 22:49:45

Signing in for my intervention please!smile

Have been wearing a 40 DD

Just measured as 39 / 46 which in my head translates to a.... 38F?! Which sounds more like my pregnancy bra size, but still! I am quite saggy of breast, is there any particular style good to help with this?! Need to get searching and see what I can find

I'd start with a 38F or FF and work from there. In terms of good uplift it depends a lot on your breast shape. I like the Bravissimo own brand bras for uplift.

OohMrDarcy Sun 19-May-13 23:02:59

Thanks - looking forward to finding the right results!

So does it mean... if I've read right that most of the support is from the back, that I shouldn't be worrying about the straps too much?! Breast tissue feels heavy so have always gone for thick straps etc

I personally don't like particularly thin straps - whilst the majority of the support comes from the back the straps are still needed to hold the cups in place. And for me - if the back takes about 70% of the weight, 30% of my norks is still heavy!

Tallyra Sun 19-May-13 23:12:44

can I get a check please on this measurement? I've always thought I was a 36A, recently grown to a B, which as been somewhat comfortable if a little slip-outy. then u was told to try a 34C, which was incredibly tight and painful under the arms and the wires. I have just done the measurements and come up with 34 and 38.5. Does this seriously mean I could be a dd or ee? I can't believe that! shock

CelticPromise Sun 19-May-13 23:26:20

Yes 34D or DD Tally. The C would feel tight because the cup is too small. Try a DD and scoop vigorously! Don't be afraid to go up.

Tallyra Sun 19-May-13 23:31:13

blooming heck! I'll have a look for some this week then!

SorrelForbes Mon 20-May-13 22:11:48

StatisticallyChallenged My Wonderbra in a 32G arrived today. Hmmm, I'm not sure. It certainly fits much better than the 30G but the back feels quite big (as if it's going to slip down all the time) and there is a little bulge under the arm which won't go into the cup as the cups aren't actually the correct shape for my boobs (does that make any sense at all?)

It's comfy though so I think I'll keep it as a) it was in the sale and b) it's probably wise to have a strapless bra in the drawer just in case.

How much lift do you get from yours? Mine doesn't seem to actually do anything at all. My boobs don't move position at all when the bra's on. Maybe I should return it...

Hmmm. Mine is odd - it feels like it could slip down. And it doesn't feel like it's doing anything. I also have to position myself in it well - scooping and positioning is a bit different to a normal underwired - it's more a case of looking in the mirror and manouvering them in to a nice, cleavagey position. And yet...it just doesn't actually move once it's there. Once I am in and positioned it stays absolutely where it is - as do my norks (I've been clubbing in mine!)

It feels so incredibly different to a normal underwire that it's disconcerting. It doesn't have the firmness immediately under the boobs that we're used to.

Oh just a thought - are you sure you are putting it on high enough up your body? I made that mistake the first time I tried it.

SorrelForbes Mon 20-May-13 23:13:35

Well, I hoiked it up but then remembered you saying it fitted slightly lower than a normal bra so left it where it was. I shall re-try tomorrow. TBH, I bought it to wear under a costume but having now seen the costume I don't think there's going to be room for me let alone a bra (help).

found you! OK, done my measurements and my back is 28.5, "cup" measurement 35...28FF??!

Am off bra shoping next week as to be honest I'm an utterly different size and shape now I'm 8months finished BF DC2 and have lost weight and toned up recently BUT I live in the US...anyone have any pointers of how to find accurate conversion of sizes from UK to US?

around a 28f in UK sizing. my understanding is that more unusual sizes I.e larger cups or smaller backs are hard to get in the USA and most people who wear those sizes are actually buying UK brands. I believe nordstrom is the best place to start although their fitting is hit and miss.

your size from us brands will depend on which cup sizes that company offers as I don't think it's standardised. you would stay with a 28 back but be looking for the 7th cup size they offer starting from A.

GetOrfMoiLand Wed 22-May-13 10:04:15

I have just found this from another thread.

I have spent my life wearing 34 or 36 B or C and I have just measured myself, 31 under the bust and 37 over. So accordingly I would be a 30E or 32DD? Have I got that right? That sounds both bloody tiny and humongously huge at the same time. grin

yup-start by trying a 30e and f and a 32 dd and e

SorrelForbes Wed 22-May-13 10:12:36

GetOrfMoiLand Try a 30E, 30F, 32E and a 32DD. I suspect the 30F will be your friend grin

sparkle12mar08 Wed 22-May-13 10:12:58

Try 30E & F or 32DD & E. I think you'll need the bigger cup in the 30 because your underbust is slap bang in the middle size-wise, whereas you might get away with the smaller cup in the 32 but I suspect the band will be too loose overall.

sparkle12mar08 Wed 22-May-13 10:13:19

Snap Sorrel!

SorrelForbes Wed 22-May-13 10:13:50

ooh, multi-x threads grin. Morning all, here's to another day of bra bossiness help

SorrelForbes Wed 22-May-13 10:14:11

x-threads? Posts!

GetOrfMoiLand Wed 22-May-13 10:31:05

That is so funny, I read the sizing guide and counted up the cup sizes on my fingers until I got to F and just laughed. F!

Thank you very much for your help.

I am on brastop at the moment looking at loads of bras in the sale, so will order some and see what happens.

OohMrDarcy Wed 22-May-13 13:15:04

I've ordered a 38F which should arrive tomorrow... just a next job for now - as I can return etc without worrying about paying each time... once I'm happy with the size I'll get something decent....

whats brastop?

www.brastop.com good site for D+ bras that is often bargainous

For other bargains - and with free returns - of all places Amazon is often great

Thanks for American advice!!

Lambzig Wed 22-May-13 18:17:02

Sparkle, I just wanted to thank you for your advice above.

I went to Debenhams today and tried loads of Freya on as it was in the sale. It was a toss up between the 32F that you predicted and a 30 FF. Went for the 32F in the end in the style i chose, but I will definitely be a 30 FF in some Freya styles. Cannot believe I have been wearing a 34C/D for decades.

Is Freya pretty standard sizing? Can I use this as a benchmark?

I'd say Freya sizing is a good benchmark to start from. There is always a bit of variance between brands (although more in cup size than back size IME) but the majority of the time you will probably be within a size either side.

If you are looking at specific other bras then post on here - chances are someone will have tried it and be able to advise on sizing!

Freya used to be a good benchmark for sizing. In the last year or two, they have become somewhat erratic, with very generous band sizing or loose cups, especially in their seasonal styles/at GG cup and above.

You will find that you will be at least a cup or a band bigger in most Panache styles, and often a further cup up in many Bravissimo own brand balconettes or half cups.

that's just annoying married-I haven't bought much Freya lately apart from the lyla which seems to still be sensible so I hadn't realised that they had gone a bit bonkers.

Lambzig Thu 23-May-13 07:49:10

DH has justvseen me in my new bra and said "good heavens, that's amazing, you look so much more up and out, really good". Then "is there anything Mumsnet can't fix?" (Recently MN has also advised us on a small legal matter, found us a town we want to live in and we are househunting there,and helped with weaning issues).

He would like to know if you could help with a cure for baldness, how to win the lottery and wonders if you would like a stab at running the country?

Thanks I only had a limited selection to try on in my sizes in Freya, but I did notice that some of the 32f I tried on were way too big in the band, but not the one I bought. How did I get to 46 and not know about scooping?

sparkle12mar08 Thu 23-May-13 08:00:57

This stuff should be taught in high schools as part of the PSHE (or whatever it is called now) curriculum. Get 'em early and force M & bloody S and Co to sort their training out!

ChunkyChicken Fri 24-May-13 12:10:52

I give up!!!

I have tried on 9 bras this morning & not a single one is any good.

I ordered 3 sizes (30FF, G & GG) in the bravissimo Alana, the Cleo Juna & the panache tango. I found the 30 a touch big in the Alana, but none of the cup sizes seemed right, the tango was baggy all over, even in the FF & the Juna was better in the band and although the GG seemed to fit the width of my boobs under my arms better, there was nothing to fill the top half!! All 3 styles dug into my boobs in the gore - almost as if the width of the wires in the centre is too wide!!!

What do I do now (apart from cry and take out a mortgage to buy bras in Rigby & Peller)??!

sparkle12mar08 Fri 24-May-13 12:39:16

You have to just keep on going I'm afraid - I said it upthread, it takes weeks and weeks of time (and money till the refunds come through), but there will be something out there for you, there will!

ChunkyChicken Fri 24-May-13 14:35:24

Thanks sparkle. I think I'm going to try a non-balconette style, so the gore is a bit lower... Back to the Bravissimo website then smile

chunky chicken can you describe what is wrong with each of the bras? might help us identify your shape and size a bit better.

OohMrDarcy Fri 24-May-13 16:11:38

Ok,

first bras arrived. ... 38 back much better and pretty sturdy on the loosest hooks

cup at first glance good, but center bit doesn't lay flat.... need a bigger cup? they don't appear to do an FF in this bra type, so have ordered a G to try as its a lovely bra!

Will arrive tomorrow so fingers crossed! , Boobs felt ginormous though, will be interested to see how many men notice at work on monday!! grin

Once I get the right fit with this one... should I be reasonably safe in that size elsewhere? Its next by the way

vague recollection that next don't do a ff at all so try a g there but that would be a ff elsewhere

I've lost quite a bit of weight recently but not off my boobs. I measured using the methods shown and I'm 29 under bust 41 bending over across bust.
Where on earth can I buy bras with these measurements?

Help!

Forgot to add I've been wearing 34 f

ChunkyChicken Fri 24-May-13 17:11:03

statistically I'll try!!

Best fitting one: Panache Tango balconette, in a 30FF. It seemed to fit well on the band, without stretching too far but still possible to put on back to front & twist round. It seems to fit okay under the arms and hold some of the scoopage. It was loose across the cup, although with scoopage etc, not too bad, so could almost accept I would just need a smaller size, except for the gore issue. The gore dug in to my boobs, rather than laying flat between them.

Alana - all 3 sizes, baggy at the top and a bit loose/stretchy on the band.

Cleo Juna - 30GG seemed to sit well under my arm, with the underwire laying on my rib cage and allowing all 'side boob' to be retained, but the top of the cup was completely empty and the underwire dug well into my boobs on the gore.

Have ordered different sizes of the panache tango plunge bra to try to see if the style resolves the gore issue. Am also trying a Cleo deco soft cup. Not sure these will be the best styles given I'm still breastfeeding, so wonder if I might 'flop out' a little in the middle, but willing to try...

Thanks.

try a 30 h, 30hh, 28hh and 28j. bravissimo, brastop, mycurvesandme, debenhams, john lewis, amazon. ..

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SorrelForbes Fri 24-May-13 17:39:59

ChunkyChicken I get some gaping at the top of my Cleo Juna (also 30GG). However, marriednotdead recommended that I try the Panache Idina balconette and I have to say that it's a better fit. Might be worth a try?

SleepyPiglet Fri 24-May-13 17:45:15

Hi

Just wanted to say, after reading these threads I measured myself and went bra shopping today - gone from a 38C to a 32GG!! Now wearing new bra on a night out and feel so much better!

Thankyou flowers

ChunkyChicken Fri 24-May-13 17:48:05

Thanks sorrel I'll look into that one. Tbh its more the squishing of boobs/digging in gore that's a concern for me. I mean, it's always happened but put that down to wearing the wrong size. Apparently my boobs are saggy & too close together blush

Ah, is it that the gore is actually sitting on breast tissue chunky? I have this issue - I am not convinced I actually have a gap between my boobs at all. Strangely, I find that I am comfiest if the bra is quite high in the middle as it sort of goes over the flesh rather than having a "digging in" point. I know you said the cup wasn't right but how was the central gore on the Alana out of interest?

My best bras from this point of view are actually from Ewa Michalak - she has very narrow centres. It is a bit of trial and error but generally half cups are dire on me as my boobs try to escape back in to the middle. I need something which has more fabric higher up so will stop them doing this.

Does mean I can get cracking cleavage though!

ChunkyChicken Fri 24-May-13 19:20:28

Statistically exactly - not so much digging in, more just laying on the outer edge of my boob, rather than curving around the perimeter iyswim. Not sure how the gore was on the alana actually, it just seemed a bad fit all over, so I didn't double-check it, although it came quite high up. The cleo juna is a half cup isn't it? Or are all balconette styles considered half cup? Where do you get ewa michalak bras from? Thanks.

There should be a GCSE in bras...grin

Unfortunately Ewa is online only (it's a polish company) so probably best to try and suss your size out a bit more first. The Juna is a Balconette which is a bit more full coverage than a half cup but not as big as a balcony. If that makes any sense.

Although the cups aren't right, it might be worth trying the Alana again just to try and see whether the wires are good or bad for you. Would help point you in the right direction.

ChunkyChicken Fri 24-May-13 19:33:25

Will do that, thanks.

ChunkyChicken Fri 24-May-13 21:59:43

statistically have tried the Alana again. 30FF. Band a bit too stretchy but not massively huge. Wires curve around and fit snugly under arms, although maybe not quite as far back as they should be to retain 'scoopage'. Top of cups (on lace detailing) fairly loose & empty, even with scoopage filling rest of cup. Gore high up but feels like it is still separating my boobs, rather than shaping/curving around them. Not digging in per se, although is definitely a different sensation to the massively baggy nursing bra I'm wearing... Leaves an impression in my flesh/red mark, although no painful. 30G definitely fits better under the arms, further round, so it feels more like its on bone not flesh. Gore still as high but still slightly separating the boobs. Cups not as big as I initially thought, although the lace bit is more empty than on the FF, the lower part is fairly full. Have back fat slightly bulging over the top of the band though!!

Back fat = scoop more! smile

Because I literally don't have any gap between my boobs the central gore always sits slightly on boob rather than between, even with my Ewas. When I lie down (braless) there is still an ever so slightly fleshy section where the central gore would be. It's not to the extent that you would look at me and go "monoboob" but I think that because of this I will always have some marks from a central gore. For me, the most painful bra is actually a plunge - my "non-gap" goes the whole way down so the end of a plunge actually digs in which hurts like buggery sometimes. A bit of a forced gap hurts me less

If you do actually have a gap low down then a plunge might work.

If the (bad) description of my non-gap sounds familiar then another bra I like is the Bravissimo Betsy Bow. It's similar to the Alana, but it runs small in the back so where a 30 Alana is feeling a little loose the 30 might fit in this one.

The baggyness at the lace section is a tricky one and is more a style issue. I've suffered from it myself in the past as to get a bra which didn't hurt in the middle I needed something quite tall, but if this had enough space for my boobs at the bottom I'd have a wee bit of space at the top. But a size down - quad boob! hmm

Sorry that may have confused you more!

ChunkyChicken Fri 24-May-13 23:03:49

Thanks statistically that's helpful. I think my boobs have a v-shape between them - narrow/small gap at the top and slightly wider at the bottom. My, my boobs sound delightful, don't they??! So perhaps the plunge will work? I can but try... I have just looked at the Betsy Bow and 30G is the only size they don't have - they have the sizes either side, but knowing my luck, the size I need is a 30G in that bra! sad But I will bear what you have said in mind and try the higher up gore if the plunge is a no go and try a few different styles to get the one that fits. I think 30G is the right area size-wise though, given the way the underwire sits under my arms. Thanks again though!

Sometimes I envy men - no bras!!

Evening all.

Chunkychicken If I have figured your boobs out right by your description (close set but wide base?) then the Freya Untamed and Deco may work for you, and the Idina if you can deal with a centre gore.

WetDog Sat 25-May-13 02:52:12

Another question here. I have this sneaking suspicion my boobs have grown bigger since I bought new (correctly-sized) bras.

I was wearing a 38B for years thinking I was flat-chested, now I'm wearing a 36DD/E.

My bras are now digging into my armpits and I'm taking my bra off most nights when I get in from work as they've become uncomfortable.

I'm sitting here in a supportive vest and looked down, just now, and realised HOLY CRAP!!! (I actually did a little shriek!) My boobs are actually quite big now without a bra!

I think (I'm not sure) that scooping and wearing the right bra can help push them forward and make them seem bigger. Am I imagining it?

you're probably not imagining it-scooping will be encouraging the lost breast tissue to migrate back to where it belongs

Juneywoony Sat 25-May-13 08:29:42

Thanks statistically I will give those sizes a go too, your a wealth of boob infosmile, thank you, x

ChunkyChicken Sat 25-May-13 08:35:57

Thanks married. And yes, I think that's a good description - I have always had close set boobs, but I think breastfeeding/2 pg has turned my once proud football rounds into more of a teardrop shape. I'll add those to the list of suspects wink

mrsmindcontrol Sat 25-May-13 08:46:13

I've just measured myself, can anyone help me work out what size I should be?
37 under bust
44 over when bending 90 degrees.
Thanks smile

SorrelForbes Sat 25-May-13 08:51:42

Try a 36F, 36FF, 38E and a 38F. I suspect the 36 back will be a better fit.

mrsmindcontrol Sat 25-May-13 08:52:37

F???? FF????? Jesus wept!! I've been wearing a DD confused

SorrelForbes Sat 25-May-13 08:54:17

grin. Well, all an FF means is a difference of 8 inches between measurements. It can be a shock at first though!

That sounds like mine too ChunkyChicken.

pigleychez Sat 25-May-13 12:34:47

Yesterday I took advantage of the 20% in Debenhams and stocked up on my new sized Bra's. I even got a lovely pink one in the sale plus 20% off so it only cost £4.60! Bargin!

32FF!
Still find it hard to believe after wearing a 36D for years! I think ive actually annoyed my mum by being a smaller band than her as she has a real thing about her weight and refused to believe me when I told her.

Finally I am wearing bra's that actually fits me properly!

Thanks for everyones help. smile

SorrelForbes Sat 25-May-13 12:45:44

Debenhams are great for bargain bras. Sounds like it might be time to stage a bra intervention on your mum grin

OohMrDarcy Sat 25-May-13 12:53:43

right, more confused now... the 38G arrived

same issue wuth the middle bit...also noticed the back is still a bit too loose, can pull out an inch or so easily so I am guessing a 36 back needed, which doesn't seem right in a size 18 confused hmm

any guidance gratefully received. .. the middle bit isn't even close to laying flat, roughly an inch out..., will smaller back help that? or is it still cup size issue?!

sparkle12mar08 Sat 25-May-13 13:00:24

Sounds like cup size to me, you might need to try one or even two cup sizes bigger? However if the cup fits otherwise it might also be a style issue, eg the gore might be too wide to actually sit between your breast space.

SorrelForbes Sat 25-May-13 13:08:16

As sparkle says, you may need to go up at least another two cup sizes in that particular bra. Remember though, if you go down to a 36 you'll need to go even bigger on the cup to compensate, so, maybe order a 36H, 36HH.

buildingmycorestrength Sat 25-May-13 13:58:27

Hello helpful bra ladies. I'm a slightly overweight size 14, bit squidgy, not obese.

I measure pretty much exactly 34" round the strap when I breathe in (so chest expanded) and 43" when over at 90 degrees (roughly...the nipples seemed to get in the way!). Sounds like 34 FF?

I like plain T-shirt bras, under wired, no padding. Just want your basic functional over-the-shoulder-boulder-holder!

Can't get to town easily so will order a few online and try at home.

Any suggestions? M&S? Debenhams?

OohMrDarcy Sat 25-May-13 14:12:14

<wail> my super pretty bra doesn't come with bigger cups!!!

[[ http://www.next.co.uk/g382230s1#835726g38]] this is tge one I love (the grey)
anyone know of anything similar with bigger cups?

SorrelForbes Sat 25-May-13 14:19:44

How about these:

Brastop

Brastop

My Curves and Me

My Curves and Me

http://www.leialingerie.com/freya/balcony/aa4301.aspx?colour=noir Leia]]

Bravissimo

SorrelForbes Sat 25-May-13 14:22:39

buildingmycorestrength I'd try a 34G and sizes around there (34FF, 34GG).

At the moment I'm really liking the fit of the Cleo Juna and the Panache Idina Balconette. They're both very plain and come in nude. You can order them on-line from various stockists, Bravissimo, BraStop etc.

OohMrDarcy Sat 25-May-13 17:50:46

I'm going to have to go into a shop and try loads on aren't I?!

There is a debenhams down here which might be best bet, or a m&s.... but how do I stop the staff being 'helpful' ?

Leave M&S out of it!

Debenhams have a reasonable range. If you try their comfort cup T shirt bras (which go to a G), you may be able to get a better fit between the boobs as the cups are quite deep. If that doesn't work, do report back on the issues and I'll put my thinking cap on.

I want to stop by and offer more huge thanks to sorrel and statistically and others.

I was reluctantly intervened a good couple of months ago. I was shocked. My profile change was amazing. Now I have ditched the winter jumpers and got out my summery strappy tops...I am going wow all over again.

(Thankyou for transforming me from a 38AA to a 32DD/E)

flowers

buildingmycorestrength Sun 26-May-13 18:59:57

Thanks also from me! Haven't quite sorted it yet but know I will give it a try soon.

OohMrDarcy Mon 27-May-13 12:07:52

Good afternoon all grin

I went to local debenhams and tried on LOTS of bras!, Turns out I am around a 38GG! I suspect in some styles it would be a 36H so will be sure to try on any new styles first!

Boobs looking much more pert and supported and I have 2 bras which actually fit! (more to come next month!)

Thank you all so much for your help!

LikeTheStuffYouHangUp Wed 29-May-13 19:53:42

Hi, I did this around a year ago and bought some great bras and found some amazing confidence, but since then I've changed shape (lost baby weight) and have no idea what size I should be wearing now

Im a 31 around the back so should I be wearing a 32? and a 36.5 around the bust, both measurements taken whilst bending over (much to dh's amusement! please help!

sparkle12mar08 Wed 29-May-13 20:00:31

Start with a 30E, and try 30F, 32E, and 32DD as well. Because your measurements are all in between you may need to play around with sizes to find a great fit.

LikeTheStuffYouHangUp Wed 29-May-13 20:11:59

I've just checked and my bravissimo bras are all between 30 E/F so it would seem I havent changed that much.

Why dont my bras feel like they fit? i just feel so uncomfortable like they are all too tight? and I cant wait to take them off at the end of the day!

LikeTheStuffYouHangUp Wed 29-May-13 20:12:36

sorry, thank you btw smile

It could be that you need the 32, but what is also likely is that your bras are a little worn. Sometimes they soften off too much and eventually become uncomfortable as they don't support enough.

NachoAddict Wed 29-May-13 20:38:58

Hello Bra Guru's. I was intervened and went from a 34d to a 30g, they fit much better, more supportive and more comfortable.... but it's like I have had a boob reduction, I feel like my boobs are much smaller and my cleavage has gone sad what has happened?

All of my old bras were padded plunge style and my new ones are much less padded and either half cup or balconette style, is it just a style problem?

sparkle12mar08 Wed 29-May-13 20:49:48

It's possibly a style thing yes, but it could also be because you're so used to seeing your boobs so squashed together in too small a cup. It takes time to get used to seeing them individually encased in their own cup rather than spilling over. But use it as an excuse to order a shedload of plunge styles to try on grin Go on,spend some money, you know you want to! I'm such an enabler!

NachoAddict Wed 29-May-13 20:57:33

haha sparkle since these threads I have already spent more on bras in a couple of months than I have in years! I used to buy any old 34D, you can buy them anywhere but you don't get 30g's in Asda sad

I think you right about the getting used to it. I hav just put an old bra on to reassure myself that my chest hasn't been spirited away and they are still there squashed together. Relief! I think I definitley need some new plunges.

Nice plunges - try the Freya Deco, Bravissimo Satine, Curvy Kate Tempt me, Wild, Elegance, Wonderbra T-shirt bra as a starter.

NachoAddict Wed 29-May-13 21:56:46

Thanks Statistically, I knew you ladies would sort me out!

I think this bra stuff is brilliant - have moved myself from a 38DD to a 34H and what a difference, thank you very much...

now I am spreading the word and would like your advice so that I can help my sister - she measures 31/36, so I guess that's something around 30DD? (though she's very tall and thin, so may need a 32 band?) She describes her breasts as being 'empty triangles' (after breastfeeding) and feels that whatever cup size she either doesn't fill properly or her breasts are sort of rolled/squashed... anyway any suggestions of style or specific brands that might help her?

bishboschone Fri 31-May-13 07:15:12

Can someone please tell me what size I should be wearing if I measure 28 around the rib cage and 34 across my boobs . Please.

Start by trying a 28E bishboschone

bishboschone Fri 31-May-13 08:39:20

Blimey .. The main problem I have is that although my frame is quite small I have some overspill if my bra is too tight . How does one overcome this?

Scooping!

All those bumps, lumps, back fat, armpit fat - they get yanked in to the bra! However it only works if A: the back is small enough and b: the cup is big enough.

Basically, put bra on, then stand side on to a miror. Lean forward, put your right hand inside your left cup, reach round as far as you can and pull/scoop/yank all the flesh/soft tissue that is bumping under or over the back, around the straps or the armpit and haul its ass in to the cup. Repeat at other side. You might need to do it a couple of times (as doing one side knocks the other out slightly)

bishboschone Fri 31-May-13 11:33:37

I have been to take my 34d wonderbra back today and tried 32 dd , 30 e and 30 f . I couldn't decide which one was best but established the 34 d was not tight enough on my back. I only want a strapless bra , so bravissimo sell wonderbra do you know?

They don't sell the ultimate strapless unfortunately. They do sell plenty of others though.

Based on your measurements I'd guess the 30DD/E in the Wonderbra - the sizing is a bit off and a lot of people go up a back size in it

bishboschone Fri 31-May-13 13:10:42

I just want one that fits and stays up . Don't care of the make or price to be honest .

There is a Freya Deco strapless which I think will come in a 28 - and I think Bravissimo have a few others too

MineOrk Fri 31-May-13 13:33:37

Hi everyone I just saw this and wonder if you can help in the nick of time. I am going bra shopping tomorrow with DD (13) she definitely visibly needs a bigger cup, has been wearing 28A or AA, measures 26 and 29. I cannot see a 26 or 28B or C on any high street store website. She needs plain ones for white school blouses but would like a more grown up look than trainer bras.

Also, I have been wearin nursing bras for years and still breastfeeding 2 yo so I don't mind a looser bra, measure 33 and 42 by the bending over method but a 32G or whatever it is sounds just not right! I am used to wearing a 36B which is so comfy and also have a 34DD which is not. I don't even fill it even after scooping. I am quite fat, plenty on the back and armpits. It makes me wonder if the cup size should be a lot smaller if the size of my back is taken out of the equation.

Please help bragurus!

much as it pains me m snd s do the sizes your daughter needs but don't let them fit her

for you, you need to try a 32g, 32gg, 34g and 34ff. you need to scoop like crazy.

MineOrk Fri 31-May-13 13:50:00

Ok thanks!

We are going to Glasgow if you know of any independent shops in that area that come recommended?

For you - go to Bravissimo in the city centre, it's worth it smile

For your DD - there is a large John Lewis which is probably worth a look. I'm in Edinburgh so don't know of any independents through there but have used the Bravissimo and found it very good.

MineOrk Fri 31-May-13 15:27:14

Thank you Stats I will report back hope at least one of us is successful!

ChunkyChicken Sat 01-Jun-13 11:44:49

Update on the Chicken norks...

Have got the Bravissimo tango plunge 30G on at the mo & so far, so good. With scooping, the cups are full, the underwire is on my ribcage & although the centre wire does dig in a touch due to centre-boob fat/mono-boob, it isn't uncomfortable. I'll let you know if that changes!! The Deco softcup was pretty useless for shape etc - my boobs just smooshed together in the middle, which is fine if you want a cracking cleavage, but not so good for support. And as I've not long fed DS, I can see how after a while, my boobs would become even more 'smooshed'...

So far, I'm tempted to order the tango in the different colours & leave it at that! It's nice to have my boobs up at chest level, not heading towards my navel.grin

bishboschone Sat 01-Jun-13 11:47:31

Went to bravissimo and got a strapless bra in 28ff!!! I went in with a 32 dd bra on . I'm afraid I still have overspill under my arms a but but that's loose skin from getting so big in both my pregnancies . It fits and stays up

That's a bit of a change bish! Keep trying to scoop the overspill in to your bras though - some of it may be loose skin but some may be migrated tissue which can be persuaded back in to the main breasts with some tlc!

Chunky - glad you found something. It is difficult with the almost mono-boob issue and most often it is just a case of try, try, try again to find specific bras which don't irritate.

bishboschone Sat 01-Jun-13 12:28:03

I willsmile

MineOrk Sun 02-Jun-13 20:45:58

I am truly thankful I found the Bra threads and experts on here! I am still amazed that I have been wearing the wrong size probably all my life, even before kids. I have gone from a 36B to a 32G or thereabouts shock.

Of course, now I am evangelising to all and sundry. They are skeptics so will just have to find out for themselves.

My shopping trip yesterday didn't work out as planned. Our car broke down so by the time that was sorted I didn't have time to take DD with me and the shops were heaving. Bravissimo fitting room was queued out the door so I had to leave it. I went to M and S which was just as bad, but eventually got a room to try on a dozen bras. None of them were comfy or fitted, but it did confirm to me my band size was 32 unless a very tight made style. For my DD there were no 26s and only 1 28B in the whole dept, which was a white trainer bra style. i got it and a padded 30 B as well as it was pretty and a bit more grown up. I thought perhaps I could take it in.

After all that I was mightily scunnered, but then I dropped in to Tesco on the way home and checked out their Bras in passing. Flung a 32F in the basket, what the hell, only £6. It is amazing! Fits great and is comfy. It suits my quite wide set boobs without digging in at the armpits or leaving gapes at the top. It is an unpadded white cotton "fuller bust" range bra, not sexy but I'm not after that.

My Bra shopping is not over but at least I have something to wear. My DD discovered to her delight that the 28B was too small in the cup. The 30B fit just right although the band was too loose so she is a 28C or 26D and has not stopped grinning all weekend grin.

Am I right in thinking that leaner ladies and skinny teens might need to go up a band, or at least the band size is not so important when they don't need the support as much? I am asking for DD and also a friend who is wearing a 36B but measures 30/31 under bust but would not believe she needs a bigger cup because of her " spaniels ears" post babies and serious exercising and not eating.

Sorry for the length of this, just excited and grateful.

Very slim ladies who have little to no "padding" might need a single back size bigger for comfort but this is relatively rare - but certainly not a 30/31 wearing a 36. She would be a 30 or 32

Re your DD - unfortunately no UK retailers sell a 26. They literally don't exist unless you have them custom made. The only options are to get a 28 and either use it with a Rixie Clip (ebay) or actually adjust them (remove the clip, snip a small amount of fabric from either end and reattach is easiest way)

Hopefully your 32F will keep you going - given how big your size change is though do try the slightly bigger cups like the G as sometimes you don't realise a cup is a little small until you try the bigger one (especially when you aren't used to it!) Also, re M&S - they don't make a FF, so their G is equal to everyone elses FF

I used to get the cups right then take in the bands for DD when she was younger- you do what you have to do!

It is a little less important when the bust is smaller (about C/D cup or less)
to have a firm band. Your friend may find her 'spaniels ears' will sit better in a firmer band as that's where the 'lift' comes from. It will also stop her winching the shoulder straps up to achieve said lift.

My philosophy is 'the heavier the boobs, the tighter the band needs to be'.

Should have said sorry - yes married is right in that they don't need to be as tight for smaller boobs - but we aren't talking going up multiple sizes. Quite a few bigger boobed ladies actually wear smaller than they measure because the heavier boobs just drag the back strap!

MineOrk Sun 02-Jun-13 23:18:31

Wow thanks you all really know your stuff. I have an idea of how to take in DDs bra now so she can get the more grown up ones. I will bear in mind tweaking the sizings as I get used to the new shape and for different bra styles, right now I still get a lot of gape in the bigger cups even after scooping. The F probably feels right because it is a very soft and stretchy fabric.

My poor friend. I am new to this but even I could see her bra was awful and looked so uncomfortable. Cups which wriggled around in the middle of her chest trying to squash what she had together, the wire obviously lying close to the nipple line, and nothing staying in place. She didn't want to believe me though. I am also trying to convert my mum who is about a size 10 ( I am a 16) but now I wear a 32 and she wears a 36AA. She is humouring me but won't get measured. It must be so frustrating for you experts to notice this everywhere you go!

That's kinda how the bra threads took off- those of us who knew better came on and confessed to attacking advising total strangers in fitting rooms, stores, at parties and pretty much anywhere!

I think Sorrel may have coined the phrase 'stage an intervention' which we use now to describe our guerrilla tactics grin

I may have been in a branch of Mothercare recently and told another customer (who was browsing through their pitiful selection of nursing bras) that she wouldn't find anything there to fit her and to go to a department store <whistles innocently>

bishboschone Mon 03-Jun-13 08:25:57

I can't believe shops don't make 26 back. I'm a normal size 8-10 admittedly with a small rib cage but came out a 28 ff the other day and it honestly isn't that tight. What about all these skinny teens ? No wonder we are all wearing the wrong size bras .

It is depressing. If she stays very slender then Ewa Michalak custom make 26 backs but they are not returnable and you can probably get away with alterations/Rixie clips just now because her bust is still smallish. However if she stays a 28 but grows to an F/G etc then it's an option worth considering

Sorry Bisch just realised it wasn't your DD who is the 26 - useful information for someone blush

My poor dds are a 23" ribcage. At the mo they don't need the support from the band so I'm not overly concerned....but they will some day and I doubt they will get to 28" by then sad

bishboschone Mon 03-Jun-13 10:04:27

I would have thought 23 / 25 was a fairly normal size for a teen / young adult . I'm nearly 40 and normal size.if I lose a stone my back will be around 26. I'm genuinely surprised thy dont make them smaller. Ben bravissimo said they don't keep many 28's in stock when I was trying them on.

Part of the problem is that most of the people who needs a 24 or 26 are youngish/teens and they don't go to places like Bravissimo (who whilst they wouldn't have the bra just now would see that a demand exists) - in most cases they are going to La Senza or M&S or Boux Avenue or similar - who would loosely measure a 24" so they got 25 or 26, add 4 or 5 and plonk her in a 30. And lo, there is no demand for 24s or 26s.....

bishboschone Mon 03-Jun-13 10:13:21

Ahh , I see , that makes sense .

buildingmycorestrength Mon 03-Jun-13 12:42:50

Wish you could all see my amazing new breasts. grin Got a 34FF T-shirt bra two-pack from Debenhams. Looks and feels miles better.

EMUZ Mon 03-Jun-13 14:47:35

I absolutely adore my panache Jasmine still grin apparently it's coming out in different colours at Bravissimo <lurks on website>
Have intervened 4 Facebook friends and fitted 3 people on another forum by PM
I've also blogged about bra fitting <polishes halo>

Jasmine is at Bravissimo now- get in quick EMUZ!

EMUZ Mon 03-Jun-13 21:41:07

Oh god... <bank card implodes>
And I've got to wrestle out of it to see what size it is <panics>

EMUZ Mon 03-Jun-13 21:45:01

Now I'm torn which other one to get.. Boudoir beau, candy bliss or cherry fling
If it helps I have the darling heart and laurel and love both

Dont tempt me with new bras!

I still need to try Jasmine - any idea if it would suit my freaky boobs married?

EMUZ Mon 03-Jun-13 21:50:51

Jasmine has a lovely stretch lace at the top which fits my sometimes J, sometimes JJ boobs
Would say gore is narrow, higher but doesn't dig in. Side wires low too
Have gone for cherry fling grin

Good choice EMUZ smile

SC I've just scrolled back to reacquaint myself with you self description.

It's a very deep cup- if you can wear the Cleo non padded styles then it will be great, otherwise I suspect the central gore will dig like buggery.

I'm struggling a bit with my bras. The 36E's, the strap rubs at the back round my shoulder blade and I can pull the front a good four five inches away from my chest. The 34F's I can still pull the back out a good few inches and they don't seem to 'stay in place' plus I don't think I'm getting the right amount of lift with any of the bras. New Measurements are 35 inches underbust and 43.5 on the bust when bent over at 90 degrees, 42 when stood up straight.

I need to try cleo properly. ..I have a meg which I have never worn-I think because my boobs are top heavy and high I felt a bit insecure in it at the outside top. wasn't a size issue as bigger cup gaped.

EMUZ Mon 03-Jun-13 22:43:06

Deep cup is interesting. I can't get on with Curvy Kate at all and Freya is a disaster zone (centre gore never lies flat)
Panache and Bravissimo own brand with the odd debenhams seem to be my standard. Wish they would make the Satine in a JJ

May be a style issue Onelittlelady, which ones have you got?

EMUZ Freya is shit not strong enough in your size.

Have you tried the Starburt/Dixie/Ring 'o Roses? They fit true to size whereas the Satine runs a bit small. The fabric doesn't give as easily as the Satine either.

My 36E's are the curvy kate Gia in red, black and blush. They are huge on the back, they are the ones I can pull completely off my norks. The cups are large, with plenty of space for scooping. Gore sits flat on the blush and black but not on the red. My 34F's are two plunge moulded bras from New Look. Cup fits fine but I can still pull the back out. Not so much room for scoopage in these. Back fat is less in the 34's than the 36's though is vastly reduced in both from what it was before I came to this thread (for those that don't know, I was measured originally in debenhams as a 36A and then again in ann summers and simply be as a 40C)

EMUZ Mon 03-Jun-13 23:01:32

Bravissimo may also have said Freya is um... Yeah wink
I haven't but my Satine is a 34J and too big in back really so I save it for glam cleavage dresses. So I would need a 32 really which takes me to a JJ
Just occasionally I like the boobs up to chin effect grin

Onelittlelady
CK are notorious for loose fitting bands and it may be that the style is too spread out for the shape of your breasts which is why the plunges are sitting a bit better. I'd suggest trying a different style and considering going further down in the band or cup. Remember, if it is comfortable on the tightest hook but fits apart from that, you need to go down a band and up a cup.

EMUZ
That's what I'm saying. If you really need a 32JJ Satine, then the styles I've mentioned will almost certainly fit in 32J and give you more oomph!

ChunkyChicken Wed 05-Jun-13 07:35:44

Houston Bra experts, we have a problem...

Everything about the Panache Tango plunge fits & is wonderful. Except the fact that my freakishly close-set boobs mean the underwires dig in a touch. It was fine during wear but by the end of the day, I felt like my sternum was bruised. It's not so bad I can't wear the bra today (ignoring the slight hygiene issue - I have 1 bra that fits!! sad )

Is this a style issue or the fact I haven't worn an underwire since about March 2012?

I have a freya untamed on order, as well as different colour tangos. They didn't have a idina in my size.

Any thoughts? Ta.

That sounds exactly like what happens to me any time I wear a plunge Chunky. I never wear a plunge for more than one day, and wear my Ewa Michalaks a lot alongside things like my Bravissimo Betsy Bow which is higher so the whole middle bit probably technically sits on tissue but at least doesn't hurt because the weight is spread. On me, I get a very sore bit roughly where the end of the wires on plunges is and definitely feel bruised if worn for too long.

ChunkyChicken Wed 05-Jun-13 08:45:55

Damn. Thanks statistically. I'll check the size options of the Betsy Bow. Any other styles you recommend? Don't want to risk the Eva Michalaks in case they don't fit, esp as my boobs are v changeable cos of the bf.

ChunkyChicken Wed 05-Jun-13 08:47:57

Actually the Idina was in my size - I was lying!! It was I thought it couldn't be converted but actually I don't need it converted... I'll just pop my boob over the top as I've been doing with the tango.

EMUZ Wed 05-Jun-13 09:37:31

Ooooh pretty new bras smilesmile
Jasmine lovely in this red colour. Panache have starched it to hell as usual so needs a wash to soften
Cherry Fling - uplifting much! Slightly pointy shape, low under arm wires and lower gore. Slightly let down by the denim fabric bit which feels slippery cheap. But hey, I'll let them off as their own brand bras feel custom made to me grin
Came up truer to size in back (I went for my upper band size) and same in cup (I went for bigger cup size. Bravissimo own brand seem to fit me about 1/2 cup smaller than Panache (sometimes I get away with a J in Panache but always need a JJ in Bravissimo)

Emuz how did cherry fling come up compared to likes of the Alana? I have my eye on it (and half the new collection)

Madlizzy Wed 05-Jun-13 12:03:41

Okay, I had a feeling I wasn't quite wearing the correct size and I measured using the MN way. 35.2" underboob and 47.6 on boob. Doesn't that make me a 34J or JJ? I'm currently wearing a 36H.

From those measurements I would normally suggest trying a 34J, 34JJ, 36J and 36HH so it could be right as the cup size measure is only approximate and it's pretty close. How does your bra feel though - is it comfortable, does the back ride up, do you have any quad boob, back fat, armpit hamsters, digging in, pain....

Madlizzy Wed 05-Jun-13 12:44:42

The middle bit doesn't sit flat against my chest, they're not quite as high as I'd like them to be and there's a little too much room around the back. Time for a trip to Simply Be to try on a multitude of bras. Thank you.

(fucking hell! A J or JJ!!!!!!!!!! Time to lose some weight!)

In that case I would definitely suggest trying the 34J and JJ as it sounds like it's not doing what you need it to. Best brands for bigger boobs seem to be Panache (also cleo/masquerade) and Bravissimo - Freya are a bit weak for bigger norks

EMUZ Wed 05-Jun-13 13:21:53

I don't have the Alana to compare sad

Madlizzy Wed 05-Jun-13 13:25:47

Yes, I did like Freya when I was a little smaller, but the one I have doesn't do the job now. Cheers missis! grin

EMUZ Wed 05-Jun-13 14:02:43

Cherry Fling. Tried to photo so you could see shape and low wires
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I'd say it was similar to Laurel which is apparently identical to Dotty Spot. If you were between cup sizes I'd go with the bigger one

SorrelForbes Wed 05-Jun-13 14:22:37

Oh, that's nice EMUZ. Good lift.

Oh that is nice. That's useful re Dotty Spot - I have a 30H in dotty which is quite a bit too small in the cup so would probably need a J. I'm between an HH and J in most brav bras i think

SorrelForbes Wed 05-Jun-13 14:39:40

OK, if I'm normally a 30GG but the 30H in the Bravissimo Mademoiselle was too small in the cup, then what size should I order in the Cherry Fling?

EMUZ Wed 05-Jun-13 14:46:25

Are you usually a GG in other bravissimo ones?
I'm finding bravissimo runs about 1/2 cup size smaller than panache

NachoAddict Wed 05-Jun-13 15:19:38

I had lunch with a friend today who seriously needs an intervention. Is there an etiquitte for these things or do you just say, I notice you have an amazing quadraboob there have u considered checking you bra size.

I've brought it up in conversation - "read an article", "just been to Bravissimo and the women in the next cubicle was a size 10 and wearing a 36 back" or similar. You could even do the "I came across this really interesting blog...."

SorrelForbes Wed 05-Jun-13 16:57:42

I've got an elegance in a 30GG which does fit but as a plunge always makes me feel a bit 'unsafe' grin.

The only other Bravissimo I've tried is the mademoiselle tbh.

ChunkyChicken Wed 05-Jun-13 17:01:03

statistically I'm really tempted to try the ewa michalak bras. Could you link to one or two that you find work for your "monoboob" issue please? I found it a bit tricky to navigate the site - didn't know where to start!! Want to return them if they don't fit - is a 30G a 'standard'/returnable size generally? Thanks muchly.

EMUZ Wed 05-Jun-13 17:18:16

I would go for the GG then. I'm beginning to think I'm actually a JJ and deluding myself grin

I have tried the S, SM and CHP Ewas and tbh, they all work for the monoboob. I think in most of them the 30G is a standard size actually. I the S wisniowska was my first and is fabulous, I have an S Fresh which runs fractionally smaller for some reason. The SM is unpadded and quite open at the top so no quad boob in it, and the CHP is more of a half cup so slightly wider and with wider strap placement.

Make sure you keep every single bit of paper in the box for return purposes - they have some odd rules about receipts and returns and I nearly came a cropper. However - pay by paypal and that way you have backup ;) Joys of international shopping

Sm Trefl - I have this in a 30HH and it still looks like the smaller version (i.e. doesn't have the extra panel

s wisni

These both show as in stock so are returnable. I think it's if you have to email them to request a size that isn't on the dropdown that its a custom

OH, 30HH is my Freya/Fantasie size to give you an idea of how these ones fit.

I've read loads of these threads and got rid of a load of ill-fitting bras because of it. I still can't seem to find bras that are a really good fit though, even though I've tried a range of sizes, and I've scooped and everything! Any advice welcome.
I'm a 31 inch back and usually a 35 around my boobs but this has varied at different times.(maybe I'd be ok if you could get a 31D or whatever.)

I seem to have quite wide boobs. Not wide apart from each other, but they go quite far towards my back if that makes sense? I think this is the problem.

Which bras have you tried littlemachine? It sounds like you might have a slightly trickier breast shape so it's a case of trying to narrow down which bras will suit you.

It doesn't help that they've headed south after bfing! So the top is flatter and the bottom fuller.
I've mostly tried normal shaped bras, both padded and un-padded. Some balconettes have seemed ok but I go from overspill to too big in one size. Same with normal shaped bras - I go from squished boobs to practically empty cups between two sizes.

Oops posted too soon. Tried a range of 30s from C-E I think. And 32C to DD. None seem a great fit. Today I'm wearing a 30C.

On your measurements I would expect a 30C to be running a bit small in the cup - how does it feel?

I would think balconettes would be good as IME they tend to be wider. Have you tried anything from the curvy Kate Showgirl range?

It's ok round the back - I can get my whole hand in the back of all my 32s I think. Admittedly it is tight in the cup. I've got it on because it's got thin straps and that's all!

I haven't heard of that range. I'll have a look online. I was a 30C before pregnancy and bfing and liked the ultimo and miss ultimo ranges. I have been measured since, but not accurately. I've been measured as a 34 back almost every time.

I've had the curvy kate tease me and also tried fleurty and entice and found the cups wide. They run small in cup and have very stretchy backs so try a 30d and dd

Thanks Stat, I'll let you know how I get on.

ChunkyChicken Wed 05-Jun-13 19:39:42

Thanks statistically that's great. I'll look into those. Have got the Freya untamed (??) on order from Bravissimo so will try that too.

Bras should be subsidised or tax deductible or something - it gets bloody expensive. But then, if women pay VAT on tampons etc, then they're hardly like to support mere 'clothes' being cheaper!!

For clarity.

Bravissimo Cherry Fling's closest relative fit wise is a cross between the almost defunct Daisy Chain and the Betsey Bow. It's quite a deep cup so good if Cleo bras are usually your best fit.

The Laurel fits completely differently to the Dotty Spot (better) but runs a whole cup smaller. It's probably got one of the lowest side wires yet, even lower than the Boudoir Beau.

Hopasholic Wed 05-Jun-13 22:26:39

Hello boob experts!
I have an appointment at M&S tomorrow for a bra fitting. I have recently lost weight & am in desperate need of a few good fitting bras!
I'll be very interested to see what size they advise, I've just whipped em out and measure 32 round the back and 40 when hanging over. Reckon that this should put me at a 32FF shock is that right?

I will report back smile

SorrelForbes Wed 05-Jun-13 22:32:47

Yep that's about right but I would guess that M&S will fit you at a 36D/ 38C

run away from m and s!

married does cherry fling have the tight back of betsy bow? I adore that bra so will be ordering cherry but I had to go for a 32hh in betsy which is unheard of for me. my best alana fit is a 30j and I have satines in a 30hh that are maybe half a cup small-don't mind cos they are cleavage bras grin

Yup, Cherry Fling is a tight one!

Hopasholic Wed 05-Jun-13 23:46:24

statistically I would run but I need a bra that fits first!

There's not a great deal of choice retailer wise for underwear where I live so if no joy with them, I'll come back for some on-line recommendations. Why are M&S so bad at fitting? Called in today and their choice was overwhelming!

EMUZ Thu 06-Jun-13 00:16:41

Cherry Fling update
Worn it all day out and about, fell asleep for a bit in it. No rubs, no wires digging, no shoulder strap slipping. Just a bra to forget you are wearing grin <happy>

EMUZ Thu 06-Jun-13 00:17:35

Ooh married? Is the daisy chain any good? (I keep seeing it on eBay for under a tenner)

m and s use the old method of fitting. I'm a 30hh and when I tested them for the blog they put me in a 36f. sorrel is a 30g and they went for a 36 or 38d. There were others too. so not minor differences but really really off the wall bad

fruitscone Thu 06-Jun-13 07:39:39

I would very much like your bra help please as my bras never fit right:

I measure 31.5 round the back and 37.5 round the boobs. So am I right in thinking I should try a 32E?

If I were to size down (not sure if I am too close to the 32 to do that though??), would I try a 30F??

Does Debenhams do such sizes? I am abroad but will be close to a Debenhams in a fortnight. Incidentally does anyone know what European size this would translate to (totally confused by something I read about minus 4 or plus four in relation to Euro sizes.)

Thanks very much in advance.

HazleNutt Thu 06-Jun-13 08:38:41

Fruitscone 32 is euro size 70 and 30 is 65. Cups depend on the brand, as some euro manufacturers skip the double sizes - instead od D, DD, E they would have D,E,F etc.

The issue with euro sizing - women are told that what they measure in cm is their bra size, so if you measure 75 cm underbust, you should buy size 75 bra. EUR size 75 is converted to UK size 34 on the bra labels. However, 75 cm is not 34 inches, it's only 29,5, so that person would not need a UK34 bra, they would need 30 or 28 (EUR 65 or 60). So basically, if you buy a bra based on the Euro fitting advice, you end up with the same result as if you added 4 inches in UK system.

Yeah, it's good if you need a deeper cup. It will dig between your boobs if you don't which is probably why they discontinued it.

Saltire Thu 06-Jun-13 09:30:17

Ok bra ladies, i ahve a question about t-shirt bras.

I measured myself as per instructions on here.. I was old 38g, (or possibly a 36G).
I got 2 underwired but soft cup bras in that size which fit really wel, plus, suprisingly a 38E which is also a good fit.
However I ike t-shirt bras for tighter tops but what a carry on I am having with them. They are fine when standing up. But if I lean forward (am a CM so do that alot) or sit down them the top half of the cup gapes quite noticably and I can fit 3 fingers width in between the fabric of bra and my skin. Then when Is tand up it looks fine again.I have tried adjsuting straps, fastening etc but no good. It looks really unsightly especially if it is a tight fitting t shirt as all you can see under it is thisbig lump like structure under my t-shirt where it is gaping. Can you help please? grin

TryDrawing Thu 06-Jun-13 12:21:34

I'm so glad to have found this thread.

I miscarried a couple of weeks ago and have been feeling awful about myself, so I thought some nice comfortable new bras would help cheer me up, as the ones I have (36C M&S) are really uncomfortable

Mothercare measured me as a 38D yesterday and "fitted" me into a bra which gaped at the front and bagged round the boobs I now have no idea why I bought it because it clearly doesn't fit. I think I was just too miserable to consider that they might be wrong.

My measurements are 34 and 40. So should I be more like a 34DD?

I like the look of the Amoralia second skin bra but I'll have to buy it online. Do I have a hope in hell of receiving something that fits?

try a 34e rather than the dd. what were mothercare thinking!

TryDrawing Thu 06-Jun-13 12:26:44

34e, gotcha. Thank you thanks

ChunkyChicken Thu 06-Jun-13 12:37:49

Trydrawing take the bra back!! I guess you don't feel in the mood for a fight about it but get your money back somehow - if you think they might be arsey, could a friend or family member take it back for you?

oh god has anyone seen the new daily fail bra article ...anyone with free time fancy comment spamming it.

starts by saying most women wear too small a back ffs angry angry angry shock angry shock angry shock angry shock

sparkle12mar08 Thu 06-Jun-13 13:47:56

I'm not even going to look, no sir-ee. Not good for my blood pressure!

SorrelForbes Thu 06-Jun-13 14:32:23

WTF? Says who? That completely contradicts what we (and all the bloggers, proper fitters etc.) know to be true. Aggghhh. Worth writing in? I tweeted Camilla Long the other week after she said something in her Times column about a 32F being a monstrous size!

ChunkyChicken Thu 06-Jun-13 14:40:24

I'd love to spam comment but I refuse to sign in and give them any of my details, even via FB.

SorrelForbes Thu 06-Jun-13 14:49:39

I've just read that article. What a complete load of bollocks.

"It is thought that four in five women wear an ill-fitting bra because they tend to underestimate the width of their back, while overestimating their cup size."

But then contradicts itself by listing signs of a good fitting bra: "Should not dig in but fit comfortably next to the body with no bulging on either side. The back band should not ride up at the back. You should be able to get two fingers underneath at the back and one at the front middle."

So, avoid those problems with a smaller band size perhaps? Good grief. One bloody big ad for something called Optifit.

fruitscone Thu 06-Jun-13 15:00:13

Thanks Hazell Nutt from the Euro sizing info. That helps!

Do my sizes look OK based on measurements taken?

I am actually wonder if they have made a mistake. It just does not make sense

SorrelForbes Thu 06-Jun-13 15:01:02

It's such a bad article. Depressing.

HazleNutt Thu 06-Jun-13 15:01:19

"fit comfortably next to the body" and "able to get two fingers underneath" will not work simultaneously if the bra has any kind of elastic. What's the use of a bra if it just sits there, loosely, next to the body? It would offer no support.

SorrelForbes Thu 06-Jun-13 15:01:34

On a happier note, my MIL has asked me to go bra shopping with her next week!

HazleNutt Thu 06-Jun-13 15:02:33

fruit yes, try around those sizes.

SorrelForbes Thu 06-Jun-13 15:07:43

Saltire I have the same problems with moulded T-short bras (e.g. Freya Deco) as they just don't adjust to your shape IYSWIM? I prefer a balconette style, Cleo June, Panache Idina, EM Biszkopty.

itsMYNutella Thu 06-Jun-13 15:49:25

Hello, just popping on to say thank you for your help! I have a white 36F and a black 36ff (same style & make- bonkers) bf bra. I will be back when I finish feeding DS with new measurements and looking for lots more lovely well fitting bras.
My boobs already look much better! Thank you!

Hopasholic Thu 06-Jun-13 16:15:06

Hello! I am back from my bra shopping spree and I am exhausted! M&S were as expected............. USELESS! The lady measured me and put me at a 34D or 34DD. after measuring myself last night I knew I should be more like a 32FF. I let her bring me a stack of bras but then she pretty much left me to it even though I'd booked an appointment ( I expected she'd asses each bra and then offer other sizes if they didn't fit) I kept calling her back but she just gave me different style bras in the same size. I must have tried on 20 hmm.
I left the cubicle and went for a search of 32FF but they didn't have many and the ones I tried, the cup was too big. I left without purchase ( few knickers..... Oblibitory!)
I'd parked up at John Lewis and had to pass the lingerie section, I was looking at the strapless Wonderbra when and angel from bra land came over! smile
She was JL fitter for the north of England and trains all JL staff how to fit customers. She was fab! She looked at me, no bra on (me, not her!) and declared 'you are a 32 E''
I left with a strapless Wonderbra,(not 32Edue to type of fit, can't remember size) and two 'Fantasie' bras in 32E.
She agreed that M&S can't fit bras for toffee (she'd even been in herself just to mystery shop them) and I shall never return smile
I have super norks now and an empty bank account as I had to purchase the matching knockers.
I lefts comment card at the till as she really was fab!

Hopasholic Thu 06-Jun-13 16:16:57

Knickers of course not knockers grin

TryDrawing Thu 06-Jun-13 16:54:38

grin matching knockers. If shops could supply those, we wouldn't have a problem.

MadBusLady Fri 07-Jun-13 10:48:50

grin matching knockers, brilliant!

Isn't that the second time in the last couple of months the Fail has run an article with exactly that message, that women are wearing too small a backsize and too big a cup (ie contrary to what is usually true)? I think the last article may have been about inaccurate labelling causing women to do that.

It's weird, can they really have an agenda for this? Why??

Saltire Fri 07-Jun-13 13:39:16

sorrel did you mean Cleo Juna or Cleo Jude

SorrelForbes Fri 07-Jun-13 13:44:58

Oops, sorry, Cleo Juna.

Saltire Fri 07-Jun-13 13:48:49

Thank you, I was looking for it and typed in Cleo June and up came Juna and Jude. I was hmm