Expensive products that aren't worth it and alternatives

(121 Posts)
susiefen Thu 21-Mar-13 20:12:21

Inspired by the previous "beauty products you hate" thread, I thought it might be starting one for products that you've spent a lot on but been disappointed. I'll start with the Estee Lauder serum everyone raves about but I don't find it's done anything for me and also Creme de la Mer - absolutely lovely and smells utterly divine, but I'm not sure it's done more for my skin over the last 6 months than Olay ever did...

NotTreadingGrapes Thu 21-Mar-13 20:44:19

Touche Éclat, as I said on that thread, the Collection 2000 version is £3 and doesn't smell after a few days and is identical.

Apparently Atrixo hand cream (!!!) is the same as Crème de la Mer (apart from smell)

I have just sent my Mum (because I'm abroad) to Aldi to get me some Sea Minerals stuff because apparently it's the same as Elemis Marine Cream.

One of the Bourjois foundations is apparently like a Chanel one. (can't remember which!)

NotTreadingGrapes Thu 21-Mar-13 20:45:06

There's a cheap Byblos perfume called Cielo (which costs about £10 on ebay for a huge bottle) which is identical to Angel. (Thierry Mugler)

Off to buy Atrixo today - got to be worth a try!

I'm sure I've read somewhere that Chanel own Bourjois so that'll be right, Grapes!

ClaudiaCutie Fri 22-Mar-13 12:32:50

Oh god, there are so many!

YSL Touche Eclat Highlighter (insipid pink crap) - use Collection 2000 conc instead

EL Doublewear Light (orange crap) - use Collection 2000 long wear fndtn or Revlon Colourstay instead

Sisley Oil Free Foundation (£60 of orange crap) - use Bobbi Brown Long Wear instead

Sisley Flower Mask (£70 a tube, feted by Lisa Eldridge DID NOTHING) - try Eucerin Face Moisturiser instead

EL Advanced Night Repair (did nothing) - try Melvita Extraordinary Water instead

EL DW Powder Foundation (orange powdery crap), Lancome Powder Foundation (white powdery crap) and Stila Powder Foundation (beige powdery crap) all a waste of money - try Body Shop One Step powder foundation instead, a much better product

Any Smashbox primer - (none did a thing on me) - try Bioderma Pore Refiner instead (brilliant product)

Bobbi Brown Tinted Oil Free Moisturiser (slimy orange crap) - try Skin79 BB cream instead

Any pricy eyeshadow pallettes - try MUA pallettes at £4 a pop, fantastic

Armani Matte Lipstick (no, I do not want lips that are shiny around the edge and matte in the middle thanks) - use instead Rimmel Matte lipsticks

Urban Decay Pore minimising products (useless) - Bioderma Pore Refiner or Boots Matte Makeup Base

La Prarie Anti-Aging Foundation (worst foundation I've EVER used, £60) - MUA Matte Foundation at £2 is a massively superior product but without SPF

Very sobering when I think how much money I've spent on upmarket products that have turned out to be poor-performing compared to cheaper alternatives that provide a superior result. The french pharmacy brands (Eucerin, Bioderma, La Roche Posay) are such good value for money and seem to perform better than the big high st names, dominated by EL and Lancome houses. Hmmm.

Fanjounchained Fri 22-Mar-13 13:09:38

Need to try some of the bioderma stuff. I've also used lanacane gel as a primer when very skint, better than smashbox i think

birdies Fri 22-Mar-13 13:15:57

Lol claudie - i love the number of 'craps' in one post!!

Have to agree about Touche Éclat - triple crap. I like Soap & Glorys kick ass concealer instead but might try the Collection 2000 one

cleangreens Fri 22-Mar-13 13:20:29

Claudia, that is so helpful! Can you possibly tell us your best buys too? Sorry for hijack blush!

NotTreadingGrapes Fri 22-Mar-13 13:30:13

<starts to stalk Claudie> Yes please tell us what you rate! I remember Bonsoir telling us about Avene (IIRC) and how fab that is. I'm just a sucker for airbrushed adverts!

AuntieStella Fri 22-Mar-13 13:34:16

Eight Hour Cream - try Vaseline
Bio Oil - try ordinary baby oil

(The latter is essentially the same product as the former, only lacking the mystery/snake oil ingredient and fragrance).

Most of the expensive nail polishes - try Avon

peachypips Fri 22-Mar-13 13:38:02

Watching with interest- what is a good cheap alternative to EL double wear? I've used it for years as it is the only thing with good coverage that goes the distance.

HolyMackerel Fri 22-Mar-13 14:15:28

Any "hot cloth" cleanser - use olive oil and wash in the same way, does the job better

HolyMackerel Fri 22-Mar-13 14:16:33

peachypips I used to use double wear and my skin was getting worse and worse, switched to Lily Lolo mineral make-up and it covers well and my skin has improved so much I need to use a lot less!

armagh Fri 22-Mar-13 14:54:57

Chanel does own Bourjois.

BagWoman Fri 22-Mar-13 15:34:08

Yes but owning a company does not mean the products are the same. E Lauder owns Clinique, Bobbi Brown and I think Origins. In fact most of the high end brands are owned by 1 or 2 companies, such as EL and L'oreal.

coffeeinbed Fri 22-Mar-13 15:39:29

No, products are not the same but the different brands often share the same research labs - think Genifique and Youth Code. reps Lancome/L'Oreal.

Bourjouis foundations and blush are very similar to the Chanel equivalents.

FrugalFashionista Fri 22-Mar-13 16:18:33

The budget dupe for EL Double Wear is Revlon Colorstay. Decent pale shades too!

Bourjois is actually the mother of Chanel cosmetics. They date back to 19th century, specializing in theatrical makeup that no decent woman would wear. When Chanel started doing perfumes and cosmetics, she outsourced production to known experts. Wertheimers, the owners of Bourjois, manufactured the perfumes.

Charliefox Fri 22-Mar-13 18:51:22

Eyelash curlers. What's with the £20ers? The £5ers are exactly the same. Just warm them under the hairdryer first and bob's yer uncle.

Likewise with tweezers.

Clinque DDM = shit .Superdrug own brand Naturally Radiant day cream for normal/dry skin is really really good. My skin has never been softer than since I started using the superdrug own brand, no breakouts either. I have awful dry skin on my face and the DDM was nowhere near rich enough. The Naturally radiant stuff does smell a little like Brylcrem but I wouldn't trade it now, not after the massive improvement in my skin.

AmazingDisgrace Fri 22-Mar-13 22:16:17

Claudia I'm another fan of Skin79 BB. Can also recommend the Missha anti-wrinkle one.

Arcadia Fri 22-Mar-13 23:06:14

I use Lancôme eau fraiche douceur as a cleanser. Just ran out. Quite sensitive skin. Any suggested cheaper replacement?

armagh Sat 23-Mar-13 09:09:35

Thanks Frugal for that info

AuntieMaggie Sat 23-Mar-13 09:29:21

Aldi do a concealer thats the same/better than touche eclait and its about £4

I tried Sudocreme as a primer after reading it on here and it was good just need to remember to only use a very small amount.

Aquaeous cream is also good as a cleanser

DolomitesDonkey Sat 23-Mar-13 12:43:08

Dior capture totale - wtf was I thinking? sad bought it when I was broke a few years ago - must've thought it would solve all my problems. Looked in a shop today 145 euros shock !

It's all bloody snake oil and I like the lidl moisturiser. No pot of magic on god's green earth is going to make me any less than the 39 years I am!

NotTreadingGrapes Sat 23-Mar-13 12:58:38

I did love the smell of Dior Capture though.....<shallow> I bought it in 1994 when it was "only" about £40!

crossparsley Sat 23-Mar-13 13:24:05

Capture totale, awful stuff. Soooo expensive, got it duty free and it gave me cystic spots on my jawline. This is a great thread! Especially recs for cheaper and better products, really useful. And Touche Éclat - too pink to blend with anything and stinky in a few weeks...

DolomitesDonkey Sat 23-Mar-13 14:10:25

Yes, it gave me massive cysts too! So that was money well spent...

Turquoiseblue Sun 24-Mar-13 09:53:19

Agree - 8 hour cream - it s Lansinoh in different packaging. Smells vile.
Smash box primer - silicon-y didn't help my face / make up any
Revlon - wake me up - actually one of the best foundations I ve ever tried - this is from a Laura mercier / Chanel/ double wear - whore
smile
Love the other tips thanks

meditrina Sun 24-Mar-13 09:57:13

Touche éclat is basically just concealed mixed with a bit of toner to change the feel/coverage on application. It's actually a totally unnecessary product.

McGilly Sun 24-Mar-13 12:30:46

If you look at the beautiful Bourjois pots of blusher and eye shadow, you will see they are essentially the same as Chanel.

McGilly Sun 24-Mar-13 12:34:27

I am using Aldi skincare now and getting better results than Creme de la Mer or Perricone. I do think the perricone was good but it is 45 times more expensive than my pot of Aldi Q10! shock

BustyDeLaGhetto Sun 24-Mar-13 12:42:58

This thread has come along just when I need it! I am looking to buy some Bioderma too - the cleansing water I hope - but no idea where its going to be sold come April. I've been doing OCM using castor oil and almond since reading about it and now I have to take pills for my breakouts. New cleanser ideas very welcome!

cocolepew Sun 24-Mar-13 12:43:21

My friend,swears that a Katie Price perfume (Stunning?) is a double for Coco Mademoiselle.

paintyourbox Sun 24-Mar-13 13:36:38

Olive oil as a cleanser?! Really?! I have to try it- my C&P is running out, used to love it but its really drying my skin out lately and I don't like how Liz has sold out to Avon.

Garnier Intensive 7 Days Body Moisturiser for Extra Dry Skin is by far the best body moisturiser I have ever used. It's often on offer in Boots for £2. Beats expensive body butters any day.

Rimmel Lasting Finish Nail Colours are great! £3.29 each. I've bought OPI, Chanel, Leighton Denny and many other but I Rimmel tops them for range of colours and longevity.

Cheap tweezers are nowhere near as good as Tweezerman.

The Superdrug Vitamin E moisturiser and oil are good and cost pennies. Since I started using the oil at night, my skin has been noticeably smoother and with far fewer of the tiny white spots I used to get from Liz Earle for example.

I really rate Aveeno for wash off cleanser and for body lotion.

And Revlon nail varnish = excellent.

santamarianovella Sun 24-Mar-13 13:53:37

i switched from lancome mascara and eye makeup remover to loreal and didnt see any difference at all,and i started using bourjois foundation instead of laura mercier and im very happy with it. bustyi highly recommend cetaphil cleansers,they are inexpensive and one bottle lasts for ages.

LaTrucha Sun 24-Mar-13 18:28:34

I find Clinique skin products extremely harsh, including the moisturisers.

As somene with dry and sensitive skin, this is the best of the million body lotions I have tried, from Origins to Aveeno and everywhere else I've thought of.

A note to exczema sufferers - when I have a breakut and am using my prescribed cream with a moisturiser to calm my skin down, Sudocrem is by far and away the best, better than the prescribed moisturiser.

huddlingtheradiator Sun 24-Mar-13 18:35:49

Wow I'm glad I've read about Touche Eclat, as I was considering wasting money on it. I'll stick with my £3 cream concealers :D

I quite liked Double Wear Light but as I'm sooo pale No 7 colour match foundation works better for me, a bit cheaper as well I think.

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Sun 24-Mar-13 22:00:06

I think we should start getting arsey and take back products that don't do what they say on the tin.

I'm intending to take back the £18+ OPI nail envy I bought if it doesn't work. I'll be using 2/3 of it and if I don't see results, I'm having a refund.

How about notching it up? "Ok I've just spend £** on this product that says it'll make my skin appear visibly younger. I've used it on 1 side of my face - now tell me which side looks younger or give me my money back. Go on, you've got a 50-50 chance of just guessing it right". grin To be fair, when I did this with a ROC product, I did get my money back - but that's what they were promising at the time.

I really do think we ought to get tougher with this. I'm fed up with paying money for crap stuff that trades on dreams an insecurities.

<clops off on very high horse>

AuntieMaggie Sun 24-Mar-13 22:05:34

I've been using neutrogena (?) pink grapefruit face wash and oil free moisturiser for the past couple of weeks cos it was on offer in boots and I liked the smell and my skin is great.

coffeeinbed Sun 24-Mar-13 22:14:21

No, you're right LetsFace it.
Like foundation - you need to try on your face for a day or two at least, you need a sample and it's like asking for a kidney and a right arm.
Lisa Eldridge has a video on that.
She says ask and bring a pot on your own but do try it on.
Companies have to respect we're paying.
You can't paint me orange and expect me to pay and be happy about it!

futterbingers Mon 25-Mar-13 01:04:15

I have tried every foundation under the sun, and the one I keep coming back to is EL Double Wear Light, as I have greasy skin and DW lasts all day. However I am determined to find a cheap alternative (recession skincare!) and I have found that Rimmel Wake Me Up foundation is gorgeous, good coverage and gives a nice glow thats not shiny.

Also tried Rimmel Lasting Finish 25 hour foundation, same shade (soft beige) and its good too but I will be buying the Wake me up one again, for the "glow" and, tbh, for the cheery bottle!

ExRatty Mon 25-Mar-13 01:31:21

I'll vouch for colour stay rather than double wear

ExRatty Mon 25-Mar-13 01:36:30

I used to use Eve Lom. It murdered my skin and so I bought more and more and more of it in all it's guises.
I had a very serious SpaceNK habit.
Eventually after seeing a dermatologist ( adult acne/ with dandruff face ) I now use Olay facial cleansing cloths ( dry ) sensitive and rinse with warm water.
It costs about a penny and therefore feels wrong
My skin is great though

ExRatty Mon 25-Mar-13 01:41:26

Touché Éclat is a highlighter.
Lots of people have an allergic reaction to it. There are different shades though so the pink problem is fixed.
Avon do a brightening concealer that is better imo

FrugalFashionista Mon 25-Mar-13 05:48:38

I do not like high end skincare. What I have tried (get a lot of h/e samples) is overperfumed and greasy (talking to you, Chanel Sublimage £££ cream). Dior eye cream was like PVA glue and made my makeup pill. Dior cosmetics contain an evil ingredient (perfume? stabilizer?) that allergized me in a month - red itchy skin and red eyes, très jolie hein? I have a bunch of Guerlain Orchidée Imperiale samples but probably won't try it - it sounds like a nightmare for someone who has hormonal acne. I think they simply give consumers false promises.

Love the idea of mass returns.

I like parapharmacie products. They have short ingredients lists, no perfume, and many of them actually work. Am not using the high end stuff any more because I get much better results with La Roche Posay and Eucerin.

And regarding makeup, almost every hyped high-end product has an affordable dupe. The differences are in packaging, perfuming, shade range and, oh I forgot, price! I love my Chanel lipsticks but technically Max Factor is just as good. Nars blusher is a tiny bit better than the no-name dime store blusher but it's a difference you struggle to notice (and the dime store brand has better pale shades). Inglot and Artdeco are budget alternatives to MAC and have their own fanbases.

AuntieMaggie Mon 25-Mar-13 09:39:22

I love this thread.

I use DW light for my oily skin too. Have been using No7 beautifully matte during the winter but doubt it will stand up in the summer so am looking for an alternative... do you think if I take pots I can take my own samples of colourstay and rimmel wake me up?

BassDownLow Mon 25-Mar-13 11:42:21

Swaps I've made recently:

Eve Lom cleanser. I didnt use it every day anyway, but now just use almond oil and a hot cloth every few days when I want that squeaky clean, soft feeling.

Clinique facial scrub. Love it, but couldnt justify 25 quid, so now just use good old fashioned aapri face scrub and its just as good.

Posh moisturisers. Swapped Clinique moisture surge for Boots rip-off version of Simple spf15 moisturiser for about 2 quid. Skin has never been better.

Chanel mascara. Loreal telescopic is better and a quarter of the price.

Chanel vitalumiere foundation. Swapped to Boots lift and luminate foundation last year. Very very similar, even smells the same - but fraction of the price.

High end stuff I still use but would interested in alternatives to:

Clinique self tan
Nars illuminator
Nars bronzer

NotTreadingGrapes Mon 25-Mar-13 12:10:02

That's interesting about Lift and Luminate, it's what I have at the moment....I've never used the Vitalumiere though obviously heard talk of it on MN for years!

Another thing I buy cheap- Argan/Rosehip oils etc. Buy them from Amazon (certified organic blah blah) but for a fraction of the posho ones you find in stores.

coffeeinbed Mon 25-Mar-13 12:15:46

Bass my Nars Laguna Bronzer broke and I have using Bourjois Bronzer, the one that looks like a chocolate bar, the lighter version.
Similar colour, not sparkly which is important.
It's a but scented, but not too badly.

NomDeOrdinateur Mon 25-Mar-13 12:40:07

Moisturiser: I have spent a ridiculous amount on "bargain" and luxury moisturisers for my sensitive, acne-prone skin. Too many to recall or name. I finally tried Avene's Skin Recovery Cream and it's absolutely perfect: it's not greasy, makes my skin heal faster and doesn't cause any spots, makes a great base for make-up and is perfect for mixing with foundation to give a more natural look. It's £14 for 40ml, but it does last a long time and it's the one thing I would try never to cut down on.

Other skin products: I've tried so many brightening toners, AHA/BHA products etc (mostly Clarins). The only ones that have made a noticeable difference were the Bravura London Glycolic Acid products, which cost roughly half the price of the department store stuff. I now use the 30% Glycolic Night Cream every evening (although I'm planning on giving my skin a break by cutting down to twice per week soon), and my skin is looking the best it ever has - residual acne is all gone, marks are fading by the day, texture and brightness much improved.

Brushes: I've used Estee Lauder, MAC, No7 and Ecotools brushes previously, but for me nothing comes close to the Real Techniques Expert Face Brush and Powder Brush. I also think the Boots basic bronzer brush is the easiest, most fool-proof way of applying blush.

wildfig Mon 25-Mar-13 13:34:53

I love Skin Recovery Cream. It's brilliant.

We're probably victims of our own politeness. I remember when I first started reading MakeupAlley, being amazed by the contemptuous 'this product was lame so I returned it' reviews of unsatisfactory items by American shoppers.

aladdinsane Mon 25-Mar-13 16:06:43

Does anyone know of a cheap alternative to elemis frangapani?

ClaudiaCutie Mon 25-Mar-13 17:03:21

Cleangreen - best buys hmmm. Not all cheap but what is most effective:

Serum best buy - Obagi C Vit C serum - really improves look of skin (brighter, younger). If I leave this step out, my skin looks tired, lined, and flat. Fab stuff! Conversely the Obagi eye serum is just a way of moving £90 out of your account. Pointless.

Cleanser best buy - MD Cleanser for oily skin - vicious stuff, but ONLY thing that keeps my oilslick t-zone under control. Extreme oil problem calls for extreme measures. Not for normal humans.

Blackhead treatment best buy - Nutrogena Spot Clearning stuff - gentle, effective, fine under makeup.

Moisturisers/sunscreen/skincare general - Almost anything from Eucerin, LRP or Bioderma - haven't bought a dud from any of these yet.

Lipstick best buy - Chanel, Dior & NARS lipsticks. Not cheap but soooo worth it. Colour true, mega long lasting. Much nicer than the high st cheapie long wear lippies.

Eyeliner Best buy - MAC Gel pot eyeliner. So much better on me than any others. (Speaking of which, worst buy - Chanel Pen thing Eyeliner - flaky black muck and adds 10 yrs to your eyes, £22 wasted on THAT grrr).

Tools best buy - Lydia Makeup Brushes off Ebay. Dead cheap, wash up well and last. Big bundle has tons of different shapes.

Setting Powder Best buy - the Smashbox Photo Finish white gritty stuff. £18 (grrrr annoying) but gosh it WORKS on the oily t-zone.

Makeup overall best buys - has to be MUA and the Collection 2000 brands. Astonishing quality for the price. Their ranges must be the dupes for tons of things. There is no way they could have the economies of scale to make such good products for pennies. We are really fortunate to have access to them.

Oh handcream best buy - Nutrogena Norwegian Formula stuff, wonderful!

Peachypips - Long wear alternatives to ELDW are Revlon Colourstay as already mentioned, Maybelline 25hr wear, or Collection 2000 long wear. All three cheapies have much nicer shades than EL and don't result in hardfaced tightskin look that EL gives too. Everyone's a winner :-)

WallyBantersJunkBox Mon 25-Mar-13 17:21:01

I have been told by an insider that Creme De La Mare is one ingredient different to Nivea!!!

It certainly feels the same when you press it into the skin. Don't know if that's actually true!

This is true though - Rodial the most expensive product gram for gram for skin (even more than La Prairie) is made by the same company that make Nip and Fab you can buy in Boots. And the main cost difference is in the packaging and marketing. The dry leg fix and body butter is amazing.

I went on a visit to another sister company for a training course and one of the employees worked in the beauty division and told me that the best thing to clean your face with was a Dove soap bar. confused

I find it a bit perfumed.

When I am a bit short of cash I used Cetaphil as a cleanser, it's pretty good for me.

WallyBantersJunkBox Mon 25-Mar-13 17:24:43

By the way the same person who told me about Creme De La Mere worked at Rodial!

I'm not a skincare double agent or anything! grin

IslaValargeone Mon 25-Mar-13 17:30:32

I don't know that the 'one ingredient different to nivea' is a particularly good argument if it's that one ingredient that makes all the difference.
We have 98% matching DNA to chimps but there's a significant difference.
I bought some dry leg fix in Sainsbury's the other day as it was on offer for £3, not impressed though.

ItsintheBag Mon 25-Mar-13 18:13:00

For years I used Lancome Mascara.I changed to Max factor 2000 calories.It's great really no difference all.

FrugalFashionista Mon 25-Mar-13 18:35:02

It's an open secret that most skin creams are total bogus and their marketing is shrouded in pseudoscience. This book is a great mythbuster (and she's more enthusiastic about skincare products than most other dermatologists I've met).

scarlet76 Mon 25-Mar-13 18:48:44

Great thread!
I used to use Clinique 3 step but started to question how much money I was spending. I still use the liquid facial soap which I love but switched to Simple toner and Simple age resist night and day moisturisers. I think my skin looks just as good as it ever did.
I have heard before about the Chanel and Bourjois link before. I always use their blusher and eye shadow pots.
I also recently spent less than £3 on a Blistex tinted lip salve in rose - I prefer it to my Clinique chubby sticks!

WallyBantersJunkBox Mon 25-Mar-13 22:53:19

The one ingredient different is the seaweed farmed from California once a year, I think there are some soft oils to make it more absorbent. For that you could just take kelp tablets. There are loads of blogs online comparing the two. Not everyone can afford £150 for a pot of face cream so it's interesting to know that there is an alternative.

I have never found a better product than La Prairie skin caviar, so if anyone has heard of one cheaper do enlighten me! smile

I found the Nip + Fab dry leg fix fantastic on my post holiday tan in Feb, when my legs became very dry. It was so rich it would soften a dinosaurs skin.

armagh Tue 26-Mar-13 09:31:29

Wally is it Rodial or Nip and Fab dry leg oil / body butter that is fab?smile

IslaValargeone Tue 26-Mar-13 10:23:20

Speaking as diplodocus legs, I didn't find the dry leg fix at all rich.
I think you must be young and lovely Wally, I think lard might be my next step.

WallyBantersJunkBox Tue 26-Mar-13 11:23:45

Oh blimey I am far from young and lovely (42). my legs could have been in an Attenborough documentary. wink I didn't realise that was the one you were referring to also Isla isn't it strange how people get very different results.

Some Rodial products were very good - the snake serum stuff was fantastic. However I was using freebies so probably slathering it on! Was so angry when DS's godparent left the company!

The Nip + Fab body butters are very good, lighter than body shop and more absorbent.

I've always sworn by Palmer's though. And if I can keep it up using a bodyshop body brush at night, clovering my legs in cream and then warming it up in the duvet. grin

My legs get horribly dry and itchy. Unfortunately, I can't cope with the smell of Nip&Fab (it actually made me heave) or of Palmers (HATE this). So far, Aveeno is the only thing that I've found which even remotely helps and I can tolerate stink-wise.

WallyBantersJunkBox Tue 26-Mar-13 19:04:22

What about Jurgens or Cetaphil Remus? They are quite neutral smelling?

timidviper Tue 26-Mar-13 19:21:04

Remus I buy Aveeno and add a couple of drops of an essential oil like lavender to make it smell better! I hate the smell of Palmers too.

IslaValargeone Tue 26-Mar-13 19:40:16

I can't bear Palmers either. Might give the Bodyshop body butters a whirl if they are quite thick?

EuroShaggleton Tue 26-Mar-13 19:51:50

The body shop body butters are great. Some are a bit stinky but the Shea and nut based ones are not heavily scented.

LaTrucha Tue 26-Mar-13 19:55:45

Remus - try the vaseline one I linked to upthread. It is not glamorous, but I really like it. No smell I can recall. It only costs about £4.50 so if you don't like it it's not a major loss.

I don't have dry legs, but I do have very dry hands and extremely sensitive skin. It's the best I've found.

Thanks, LaT. I've tried it and it stings! The Aveeno is better for me, I think - but I'm still hoping for an even more holy grail! I actually don't mind the smell of the Aveeno but adding some essential oil is a really good idea: lavender might even have some healing properties too - it was great on my stitches after having the dds. smile

I actually resorted to smothering my shins in Sudocreme last night and it does seem to have done them some good.

coffeeinbed Tue 26-Mar-13 20:06:20

I use Aveeno, but it must be the bottle not the tube, the tube is too thick and does not sink in.
I mix it with Weleda Sandthorn Oil, which is heaven - smell and feels lovely.
I bout some Boots Botanics Body Cream, I haven't tried it yes though, but have high hopes because I love lots of the other stuff there.
Something else I tried which was lovely - but pricy - was Origins A perfect world.

PenfoldRocks Tue 26-Mar-13 20:07:02

I didn't realise people didn't generally return beauty products blush. I recently spent £150 on origins nonsense which made my rosacea worse, so I returned it, full refund from John Lewis concession after I'd used it for around a month. I moved to Dr Haushka which cleared things up & now use Aldi Lacura without any problems.
I use body shop body butter for scaly legs, but always buy from their outlet super cheap.

coffeeinbed Tue 26-Mar-13 20:08:11

I haven't returned anything yet, but I think we all should.

I refuse to ever buy from Origins again (even though I like some of their products) after their customer services completely ignored me when I wrote an email saying I was unhappy with a product.

NomDeOrdinateur Tue 26-Mar-13 20:21:13

PenfoldRocks - I think the problem is that some stores/individual managers get very sniffy about people returning beauty products. I've had it happen repeatedly - interestingly, in those occasions managers have always backed down but remained very arsey when I've pointed out that SOGA requires goods to be as described/fit for purpose/of sufficient quality, regardless of "company policy".

coffeeinbed Tue 26-Mar-13 20:24:51

well, I used up that cream and it was lovely - even tough a bit too peachey scented and I haven't bought anything else there since.

I'm pissed off with YSL - went to check their new foundation, SA tried some on me, found a match and when I asked for a sample said, "sorry, we don't have any" and gave me an empty sample bottle with the foundation number written on.
I still haven't worked out quite why. hmm

Needless to say, I haven't been back to buy anything there.

since DC3, have been really allergic, but Cetaphil works as do La Roche Posay moisturisers.

So does Dermalogica, but crazy expensive.

TigerseyeMum Tue 26-Mar-13 20:58:17

My experiment with Astral moisturiser has gone well so far - I ran out of the Neals Yard body lotion I got for my birthday and replaced it with this and it's amazing!!!

I have horrible dry feet and put Astral on with socks before bed, and have dry legs too and my skin is now soft as a baby's bottom!

I am a bit nervous of putting it on my face as it seems a bit heavy, but I wore it before going out in a snowstorm and it formed a barrier between my skin and the snow and I didn't have that usual dry taut feeling.

It pongs a bit in quite a floral type way but it's not too bad. As I have complicated sensitive break out prone skin I'm impressed so far.

coffeeinbed Tue 26-Mar-13 21:16:46

I have the softest feet ever - sodding cold means I slather them in Vicks and sleep in socks.
Still have the sodding cold though.

LaTrucha Tue 26-Mar-13 21:26:06

Phew remus. Glad you didn't find that out after I reommended it to you. One thing this thread has made me realise is how surprising it is how different people's reations to things are. I find Aveeno next to useless.

Sudocrem was horrible for my baby's bottom, but it's great from my hands when my eczema flares up. grin

BeckyBrandon Tue 26-Mar-13 21:35:48

Urban Decays naked palette 2 - MUA pro Undress Me Too.

EXACTLY the same, just about £25 cheaper

Yes, LaT. But at least MN lets us hear lots of people's opinions and not just the claims on the packaging. smile

Becky - I love Naked (expensive but have been using it just about every day for over a year and it's still almost new looking) and didn't rate the MUA stuff at all, which again proves LaT's point!

goingmadinthecountry Tue 26-Mar-13 23:02:34

I've got Dior Capture - love the smell too. It's about the only thing I'm not allergic to that isn't E45. Makes me happy and makes my skin feel really nice. Have had lots of positive comments - moved on from the most expensive Liz Earle one which I have now donated to dd (17). I look at the pot in my cupboard and it makes me happy every morning.

cerealqueen Tue 26-Mar-13 23:15:05

Can't recall who said it uphread but I'd second the Dove bar for skin, also straight from a dermatologist's mouth, the unperfumed one, with a clean flannel, is all you need apparently. That and a good sunscreen.

And somebody on here once said Astral is the best cream for your neck.

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 27-Mar-13 06:12:45

Goingmad, which Capture do you have?

Astral is brilliant, and less gloopy I find than Blue Nivea. I slop it onto my neck and am beginning to wish I had always slopped it onto my face because I look like an upside down facelift...ie no lines on neck but lots on face.

Someone mentioned Body Shop butters, I love love love the cocoa butter one, it smells much less sweet than Palmers and is thicker (consistency of proper butter) than the Shea one.

Best handcream I have ever used is Tisserand Essential Oil rich. Palmers is good though if you do like the smell.

Weleda is fantabulous stuff. And although not as cheap as chips, certainly much cheaper than all the posh "organic/natural/essential oil/extra virgin blah blah" products. Their rose and iris creams are lovely.

tillyann2013 Wed 27-Mar-13 09:16:21

Love this thread too.
Aunt maggie does the neutrogena moisturiser make your skin tingle? I've been using the wash which is lush but the moisturiser is weird.

AuntieMaggie Wed 27-Mar-13 09:36:16

Only at first but its made my skin really clear.

EverythingHappens4aReason Wed 27-Mar-13 09:45:22

any good eye creams out there? very stressful and sleep deprived 3 weeks has left me all dark and wrinkly!

FrugalFashionista Wed 27-Mar-13 09:49:17

Remus I find creams with urea helpful for lizard skin (Eucerin are good and not perfumed - very slight medicinal smell but I can tolerate because it makes such a difference). Also like Eucerin Aquaphor for extreme moisturizing needs, it's a bit like vaseline and Lansinoh but a staple in our house. If you have extremely dry skin, avoid shower gels and frequent baths/showers (this piece of info from the dermatologists).
I find the zinc in nappy creams difficult to deal with and possibly also drying.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim Wed 27-Mar-13 09:55:52

Jurgens anti-cellulite cream (£4.99) is the most effective anti-cellulite product I have found. My thighs are notably more toned after a couple of weeks of it combined with skin brushing.
Waitrose baby bottom butter a very good hot-cloth cleanser. As others have noted all you are after is an oil to bind with the dirt in your skin and draw it out. No sense at all in paying for Eve Lom.
Aldi marine products very good but I heard they were being discontinued!
Another vote for the French pharmacy brands - Vichy make the best eye creams I have ever found, after 2 decades of exhaustive research.

JulesJules Wed 27-Mar-13 10:11:55

Atrixo hand cream is fab.

I also really like Soap and Glory Righteous Butter, and they always have offers on in Boots. Body Shop butters - the Olive Oil one is good if you don't like cocoa butter.

sedgieloo Wed 27-Mar-13 12:54:39

S&b lurker here on mat leave pay wants to say thanks for this thread! I'd like to add that the Avon supershock eyeliner pencils are no different ime to the urban decay ones I used to regularly rebuy and a fraction of the price and often on offer. An HE beauty addict at work got me onto them.

ExRatty Wed 27-Mar-13 13:56:58

remus I use a 10% aha on my legs and it has made them much better
Elephant skin no more

MrsMeow Wed 27-Mar-13 14:08:32

futterbingers and those who like the Rimmel Wake me Up foundation - I've just seen this in Wilkinsons for £4.89 or something daft like that, compared to £8.99 in Boots!

ItsintheBag Wed 27-Mar-13 14:20:15

Becky is the Naked pallet alternative good? Does it last on your eye.

I really want the Naked pallet but it's expensive and so would love to know if something else is good.

MrsMeow Wed 27-Mar-13 14:30:03

itsinthebag butting in sorry, but I swear by the Undressed pallettes, I have 1 and 2, they are amazing and you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference between them and the UD ones (which I've also used)

They last all day on me and I rarely if ever use a primer first.

ItsintheBag Wed 27-Mar-13 14:58:15

MrsM thank you for the feedback.I just don't wear eye make enough to justify the Naked pallet really, but it looks so nice!
I think I will give the undressed ones a try.

GeorgiePorgiePudding Wed 27-Mar-13 15:05:33

No expensive (and by that I mean over £4!) body lotion, oil or cream has ever compared to Superdrug £2 Coconut oil.

Similarly, no hair conditioner, especially leave-in stuff, compares to a tiny tiny blob of Coconut oil.

GoingVerySlowlyMad Wed 27-Mar-13 15:43:27

This thread is fab! In recent years I've subbed a lot of the pricier products in favour of cheaper alternatives. Love the astral cream for after shaving my legs. The palmers oil prevented any stretchmarks, smell used to irritate me at times though. However still use Benefit hoola bronzer and clinique naturally glossy mascara, have never found a cheaper alternative that works for me.

Ordered loads of things from the MUA website last night for £14, was blown away! Can't wait for it all to arrive, especially the undressed palette, used to always use UD eyeshadows before kids made me poor the kids came along so can't wait to see if it's any good.

CareerGirl01 Wed 27-Mar-13 16:45:38

Chanel nail polish - it chips within a few hours.
Clinique DDM lotion - Dermalogica intensive moisteriser is far better - heavyweight but not greasy.
Expensive foot creams - EL used to do a particularly pricy one. CCS foot cream is £7 for a large pack, last ages and makes even the most dinosaur dry of feet soft. It sometimes comes with free socks you can use overnight.

Thanks for all the leg recs - what is aha?

If anybody's Boots stocks Une make up, they had 75% off last week and their lipstick/balm cross things are superb - about £2.50 now with the offer. I suspect they've been discontinued but are worth snapping up if there are any left.

BeckyBrandon Wed 27-Mar-13 17:43:37

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie Yup, so true.

ItsintheBag - I think so but as Remus said everyone is so diff, it lasts well on me, but I do use a primer.

GoingVerySlowlyMad Wed 27-Mar-13 17:50:49

Remus The stand in our boots was completely empty on Monday when I went to get more of their sheer lipstick. Am pretty devastated as I loved it, will try the Revlon lip butter instead as it looks pretty similar and gets good reviews.

ClaudiaCutie Wed 27-Mar-13 18:14:19

Une makeup is owned by Borjois (sp?) and was targetted at the pure & natural Islington/macrobiotic crowd, but didn't appear to have much marketting oomph behind it, so perhaps the brand is being closed out in the UK?

LaTrucha Thu 28-Mar-13 10:14:06

They do it in Superdrug too. I don't know if it's on offer there though.

I bought some Mua eyeshadow but didn't find t stayed that well. It was glittery too though. Mabe the Naked pallette is different.

wildfig Thu 28-Mar-13 12:18:07

claudia I didn't realise Bourjois was behind Une - that's really interesting. I liked the colours, but the packaging always seemed rather clunky and bulky to me, which didn't fit with the organicy message. Same with MyFace. The thing that makes MAC colours so addictive is that you can get five of those tiny pots in one make-up bag...

idococktailshedoesbeer Thu 28-Mar-13 12:26:15

Well I tried Mac nail polish for the first time, I buy my other make-up from there so visit the counter regularly and I was tempted by the lovely colour, but it's absolutely awful. Really thin, takes loads of coats, then it chips straight away.

Nails Inc and Ciate are much better.

GoingVerySlowlyMad Thu 28-Mar-13 14:29:07

Well all my stuff arrived from MUA and I'm really impressed, can't believe I hadn't heard of it before! Their new power power pouts are absolutely fab, I got rendezvous and it's a very natural pink on me. The only thing I'm a bit disappointed in is the mascara wand as it's a bit too long and flimsy and hard to get a good coating on.

auldspinster Thu 28-Mar-13 19:56:58

Palmers do unscented stuff for all the smell haters. Epaderm and eucerin work wonders on my scaley shins.

armagh Fri 29-Mar-13 10:05:38

I think Une is being discontinued or repackaged. The stand in the Boots (2) near me are being emptied and not being replenished.

armagh Fri 29-Mar-13 10:06:43

Ex Ratty what brand is it please?

LaTrucha Fri 29-Mar-13 13:39:46

It's no longer in my local Superdrug either.

Bodicea Fri 29-Mar-13 16:06:04

Boots number 7 hot cloth cleanser similar to liz Earle hot cloth cleanser and is a tenner but I get it when I get a £5 number 7 voucher

Callalilly Sat 18-May-13 15:40:28

peachy pips

I have never tried EL double wear foundation, but heard lots (good and bad) things about it. I love Vichy Dermablend Fluid Corrective Foundation 16 hrs. It covers my rosacea beautifully. It gives full coverage, yet it is light. Apply a small amount of product and blend well ( I found foundation brush or fingers if I'm in a hurry works best).

I found this a little bit too heavy for the summer months. I tend to use Clinique Moisture Surge tinted moistruiser then. I also want to test their new CC cream.

KateSpade Sat 18-May-13 16:06:10

Ive just read all five pages

my two penneth is Olay Beauty Fluid, it's about £4/5 and bloody amazing, i even found it brilliant for my body.

also, has anyone ever had a reaction to No7 Products? Each time i try anything, it stings my face off? I've never had a reaction to a product before, but its every bloody No7 thing..

tearoomtrash Sat 18-May-13 22:29:53

Used to use the full Clarins hydraquench range, and their orchid oil, as well as having monthly triactive facials. Ran out during a particularly broke few months and ended up using Dove soap (50odd pence) and Nivea Soft moisturiser (less than £2 a tube) - my skin was as good as it had been with he Clarins, if not softer, so I haven't gone back.

Still rate the Triactive facials though. 1hour 20 mins of pure bliss...

FJL203 Sat 18-May-13 22:51:25

I've a couple of questions for all you experts please.

I've been wearing all manner of not very satisfactory foundations for years but the one I loved and which I'd really like to find a match/alternative for is EL's Lucidity. Any suggestions please?

And what's the best mascara? I have long blonde lashes which need thickening. I usually use Clinique.

Thanks!

tearoomtrash Sat 18-May-13 22:52:22

Most of the high end make up that I've tried has left me disappointed. Especially MAC. Although, i do rate Origins "Pinch Your Cheeks" gel blusher, Benefit "Benetint" lip & cheek stain, Benefit "Brow Zings" (lasts for years), and Nails Inc "Kensington Caviar Topcoat". These are my "regulars" I suppose.

My favourite mascara is the Aldi Lacura volumising waterproof (it really IS waterproof though & needs oil to remove!), Vaseline is the best highlighter & lip gloss. I'm using the Collection 2000 translucent loose powder at the moment, which is fine, but prefer the No.7 equivalent.

I agree that Tweezerman tweezers are by far the best, and also love their 10x magnifying mirror (not pretty though - can see inside every pore)

Flo825 Fri 24-May-13 08:10:26

What a fantastic thread! I don't suppose anyone has a recommendation for a good (cheap) alternative for Clarins Hydraquench tinted moisturiser in blonde (11) please? Or Clinique lash power mascara? I live in the sticks and it's such a trog to get them, a cheaper alternative would at least let me feel like I was getting a bargain for my 2 hour round trip.

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