Crepey continuum

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Cremolafoam Mon 18-Mar-13 15:12:53

grin Over here!

Blackduck Mon 18-Mar-13 15:20:36

Found you!
Yes MrsS tell AB to stick his new plans where the sun doesn't shine. As MN says 'No' is a complete sentence.

Cremolafoam Mon 18-Mar-13 15:29:49

Agree mrs S its a bit late in the day for new initiatives - non ?
My guess is he will be outed the minute you leave as the charlatan arse he truly is.

Dd is snoozing with a DVD as they'll be up all night due to the idiot school picking the most inconvenient travel times they could have ever come up with. I've just read they've to bring a 'packed breakfast'
Wtf? Dd will be snapping the heads off the annoying fourth years without her required pint of black coffeegrin

beachyhead Mon 18-Mar-13 17:07:46

Crem, she needs a flaskgrin

Mrs S, I guess the only way to deal with late initiatives is to spec them out and timetable them for after your departure... How much longer do you have? Is your new boss any better than AB? Or is it not yet decided? As to the fees versus savings point, your dh sounds much like mine, sits in happy oblivion while monumental plans and changes are being worked out, then pops in at the end and throws a spanner in the works, so he's 'involved'. It's just a control thing, best ignored...grin

bigTillyMint Mon 18-Mar-13 17:12:08

DD probably needs a packed breakfast too. Luckily she doesn't drink coffee. Infact she just has juice and a breakfast bar on school days, so that should be fairly easy!

DS and DH have gone on mammoth journey to footy match in Stonebridge Park and DD is revising, so all quiet heresmile How did your DD's art exam go,, Beachy?

bigTillyMint Mon 18-Mar-13 17:13:43

Just realised I got the last post on the other thread - that's a first for mesmile

Blackduck Mon 18-Mar-13 17:15:34

Mess have you got another role? I was thinking about that this afternoon. Good think re planning and putting all the actions for when you have left.
Yes Beachy how did it go?

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 18-Mar-13 17:26:43

I have been to the dentist and have a very numb mouth. Having a lie down as not good with anaesthetic, even local - I tend to feel faint and throw up. I am hoping the throwing up is already done as I sicked up a bit into the dentist's hand. blush

Have not found a new job yet - too early to look, but have put out some feelers.

Got the withdrawal forms from current school this afternoon so feeling a bit sad about that. sad

wilbur Mon 18-Mar-13 17:35:21

MrsS - the only reason AB is giving you new initiatives now is so that for 6 months after you leave, he will be able to say "MrsS was supposed to do that before she left, but didn't". It's a way to keep blaming you for everything, even when you are not there. Arserama.

Hope the travelling children all had/have wonderful times on their trips (with or without coffee/packed breakfasts/complicated itineraries). Quite envy at them - the only school trip I can remember is half a day at Fishbourne Palace.

I have had my haircut. It's too short. Good thing it's still hat weather hmm.

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 18-Mar-13 17:46:12

DD1 now claims to have Delhi Belly because I asked her to go to Monoprix. hmm Have suggested no dinner and an early night which didn't go down well. grin

I can't do my fully loaded job, plus a new initiative, and sort out schools for the DDs, find a new job, support my cousin who is looking after my terminally ill aunt and and and... there needs to be some let up from the powers that be, doesn't there? sad

beachyhead Mon 18-Mar-13 17:56:31

What is it with teeth around here? Ruby's on a journey with hers, I am between antibiotics and feverishly looking forward to my root canal and Mrs S is suffering at the hands of an expensive French dentist, no doubt...

Art is half finished... Another 5 hours to go tomorrow. She seems pleased so far, which is lucky..

Unfortunately, after Art and DT are finished, she has all the hard subjects to do.. Roll on summer, I say.

motherinferior Mon 18-Mar-13 18:02:02

Wilbur, have PMmed you!

Agree about it being a tactic. Arse.

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 18-Mar-13 20:41:50

I managed to cock up the submission of my short story to the MsLexia competition. sadangry Paid the money, and the website said "you will then be taken to the form to submit your document." I wasn't. I just got a receipt. However, they have a contingency plan for this, so have emailed it. My fault for leaving it to the last minute.

My mouth is in agony, so I am going to have some nice pain killers and go to bed.

Stropperella Mon 18-Mar-13 20:51:55

Surely Head Honcho has to see through AB soon? AB really is a tosser of the highest order.

Hope all the adventurous young persons have good trips. MrsS, sounds like dd1 had a great time. grin

dd is currently huffing as she is not going on any trips in the near future. There was no chance of her going on the £1700 trip to Florida. Or the £3000 trip to Africa. And she turned down the German exchange because she said only "weirdos" were going on it and then found out too late that in fact there were some non-weirdos as well.
Ds otoh has 3 separate residentials this summer. He will be making reed roofs and bat-watching or whatever with the fakey Saxons, whittling and swamp walking at Wild Camp and PGLing with the cubs. Up until now, he has not shown himself to be really an outdoor type (much like his father), so this could be a make or break summer. grin

Stropperella Mon 18-Mar-13 20:52:55

Hope you feel better soon, MrsS. Dearie me, all these poorly crepey teeth.

oldqueencrepey Mon 18-Mar-13 21:06:37

Nice title!

Can someone slap me and tell me to stop venturing off this lovely thread. I can't be trusted. 2 posts and I'm having a ruck... with horrid people!

bullied in the playground

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 18-Mar-13 21:06:50

I feel like Pam Ayres: "I wish I'd looked after me teef." grin

The dentist was all doom and gloom over a root filling and crown I'd had done 15 years ago. Apparently it "doesn't look right", the root needs to be cleaned out and refilled and I need an implant put in. I could see the $$$$$ signs flashing past his eyes as he spoke (this crown is costing in excess of 1000 euros; fortunately I won't have to pay it all). My nice NHS dentist merely said "nice crown" when he checked my teeth three years ago.

School trips, yes, DD1 now says, pretty smartish, "We know. You only went to Bristol Zoo and the American Folk Museum in your day. Have you forgotten about your trip to SS Great Britain as well?" Cheeky cow.

I am currently contemplating my choice of painkiller - whether to go for something ordinaire like nurofen, maybe paracetamol and codeine, and have a nice trip? Or should I go for something a bit harder like Tramadol? (I suspect I shall just see what DH has left behind as he always travels with the entire contents of the medicine chest, so it will be a paracetamol with bits of fluff stuck to it, where it hit the bathroom floor and got shoved hastily back in its packet.)

Stropperella Mon 18-Mar-13 21:19:41

MrsS, call me old-fashioned (no, really, do grin), but I still think school trips to Bristol Zoo and the SS Great Britain are perfectly satisfactory. My kiddiwinks will have to put up with a terribly 1970s take on school trips. grin They can jolly well get stuffed if they think I'm paying for them to spend a week visiting all the bloody theme parks in Florida. Dd is nittering about the prospect of going to inspect geysers in Iceland and volcanos in Sicily as apparently you have cack-all chance of passing your Geography GCSE if you don't go. hmm Now, did you not say you could pass on a recipe for catfood and sawdust pie? grin

I have no idea how I passed a Geog 'o'level. We never went anywhere. We just sat in a classroom and read books and stuff. I still know an oxbow lake when I see one, though. grin

Stropperella Mon 18-Mar-13 21:20:24

Ps: I hope you've at least found the paracetamol and codeine now, MrsS.

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 18-Mar-13 22:04:07

We did a field trip. We went to the Flowing Spring in the next village (where I lived). Jogfry teacher asked "How many of you know where the Flowing Spring is?" Most of class put up hands. Teacher then said "The actual spring, not the pub." All hands came down. grin No oxbow lakes near us though. (We have a book called "Great Lies to Tell Small Kids" along with such gems like "Wine Makes Mummy Clever" it says "When you learn about oxbow lakes at school, be sure to pay attention as this is something you will need to know all about on a regular basis when you grow up.") gringrin

Codeine going down a treat.

wilbur Mon 18-Mar-13 22:19:46

OQC - read a bit of that thread. shock People are ver rude, eh? If it makes you feel any better, sending a kid to Brighton College is more a fashion statement than an educational choice, I reckon, so it's best not to engage with people discussing its merits when all they really care about is that it's top of the Sunday Times school list or similar at the moment. Sadly, very, very sadly, a friend of a friend is sending her pushed into mega achieving but actually anorexic daughter there (actually, I think the school will say no, to their credit) - they have their heads so tremendously far down in the sand about her problems that it's heartbreaking sad. They want it to all go away and the school will sort it out, won't it? Obviously I will not say any of that on the thread because I is a coward...

I love codeine.

beachyhead Mon 18-Mar-13 22:21:17

OQC, that is indeed a scary thread... Went off quickly too! Back away now and get thee back to London..

I don't really remember school trips. Only one where we went on a coach from Lewisham to Wales and stayed in a tent...early days PGL I suspect. Would have been in 1976 grin

Cremolafoam Mon 18-Mar-13 22:27:13

Lol @ geog trips. We spent a blowy cold afternoon on a beach with a chain smoking teacher , some wooden frames learning about long shore drift. I seem to know a great deal about 'spits' and chesil beach.
Vair useful- not.
Other fascinating topics included 'wadis ' sheep farming in East Anglia and The Murrumbidgee damn( hydo electric power dontcha know)

We also had a Latin Trip to Vindolanda. Riveting!
Dd doesn't know what to be at. We are trying to stay awake at this point . Drop off is 2am. < yawns< pokes dh>

Hope various painkilling action is effective. smile scotch would be my drug of preferenceblush

Cremolafoam Mon 18-Mar-13 22:29:28

* Dam not damngrin

Cremolafoam Mon 18-Mar-13 22:38:00

Oqc - quite a nasty thread I am shocked actually shock she must be tired and emotional . Scary

Blackduck Tue 19-Mar-13 05:48:54

School trips - erm - I went to Germany, I had, I should point out, just come back from living in Germany, bit of a bus mans holiday really..

Oh oxbow lakes, takes me right back smile In fact I recall being on a train and seeing one in a field and excitedly pointing it out to the whole carriage (first time I'd seen one 'in the flesh' so to speak).

MrsS I think you should point out to AB that as you clearly weren't good enough to keep in the role you surely aren't up to starting initiatives that your successor will have to take on. All said with a sweet smile (then punch him in the face...) Seriously you need to see HH and say this is bullying and if he doesn't back off a nice extended period of stress related sick leave is likely to follow.

bigTillyMint Tue 19-Mar-13 08:02:13

I still remember all about ox-bow lakes and DD learned about them in Y7, but I don't think DS has done them! I don't think I've ever seen one in the flesh though, BDenvy
We went to Caernarvon castle and the Isle of Man (both day trips) when I was at secondary school. DD has done 2 PGL type residentials, DS going in the summer. I refuse to pay out for expensive school stays when we go away alot with them as a family <cats bum mouth>

Agree with BD's advice MrsS. Hope you found some good painkillers. I have just booked a check-up for the DC and me. I have the worst set of teeth in the entire extended familysad

herbaceous Tue 19-Mar-13 08:23:20

My favourites are hanging valleys. The main reason I want to go the Alps. That, and re-enacting Heidi.

Let's see, school trips. At junior school we had a week around Bournemouth, and another in Cornwall, which looking back must have been a nightmare for all adults concerned. But in secondary school things were less ambitious. We did have a jogfry field trip to Wales, which involved standing knee-deep in a freezing river, measuring the flow. Also, measuring the size of pebbles on a spit to investigate, indeed, longshore drift.

Matters landform do seem to have stuck in our crepey brains, so maybe field trips are the way to learn!

Ooh, tramadol Mrs S. I had just one of those, and could barely speak for 12 hours. Marvellous stuff.

DS is still asleep. This is remarkable. Or worrying.

hattymattie Tue 19-Mar-13 08:38:28

OQC I know how that lady feels about her DS though - honestly sometimes there is nothing more lazy than the male child. Just been told by DS's teacher that his french is "minable". He's half french - I don't know how my third child came out more English than French. Now I'm going to have to get his sister to work with him as I can't. Why can't he understand that if he applied himself at school, he wouldn't have to do extra work at home grr!

By the way I love ox-bow lakes and hanging valleys - bore my children to death with details like this.

All these trips sound very expensive - reckon if I can't afford them for myself I don't see why my kids should do them. Although did fork out for India last year - don't worry Mrs S they soon get over wanting to do good in the world and revert to type. wink.

Stropperella Tue 19-Mar-13 09:53:36

Ahhh, but Herbs, I didn't go on any field trips and I still know about oxbow lakes. And glacial moraines. We had olden days school jogfry TV. grin But yes, I do think there is a place for field trips. Dd was off at Lyme Bay looking at cliffs and other coastal thingies last week.

I went on two school trips but they were outwardbound ghastlies. Canoeing in Lyme Bay in just a swimming cozzie in a gale in November. Being sworn at by ex-Royal Marines until you finally jumped off a ridiculously high diving board (even if you were a non-swimmer), safety-free abseiling. That kind of thing. Things they wouldn't get away with now. Because things changed somewhat after this

Laziness - both dd and ds are very lazy and only do anything at all when threatened with regular arse kicks. I initially tried the nicey-nicey, praise the good and ignore the bad approach with both of them, but sadly no reward was ever enough to get them to sustain any kind of effort for more than about 5 mins. They just both revert to the default setting of lying on the sofa watching crap TV (at home) and doing as little as humanly possible without actually getting into trouble (at school). And the attitude from all the schools has always been "if they're able and can't be arsed but don't cause any trouble in class, then we can't be arsed either". I find it tricky to apply just the right amount of pressure to get them to put enough effort into their work: enough to rouse them from their natural apathy and stop them from missing out on too many opportunities but not so much as to make them feel over-pressured and anxious.

bigTillyMint Tue 19-Mar-13 10:23:11

Is going to India on a school trip de rigeur en France then?

DS is also fairly lazy - does his homework, but with the lowest acceptable effort.

motherinferior Tue 19-Mar-13 10:36:36


First off, I have just realised I've worn a hole in the furry lining liing inside my DMs, the new ones, god knows HOW and if it will matter but I am cross.

Also I am having one of those exchanges with DP about childcare over the Easter hols. As ever, he seems to expect it will materialise. I will, yes, be working from home but I do have to try to do some WORK and then the kids say 'you just leave us to watch telly and we get bored'. DP suggests 'we' ring 'our' usual babysitters/contacts. So 'we' just did that. I am tired and full of hatred [anger]

This is not least because as things stand yes, I could take two weeks off totally but I am starting to worry about work...

hattymattie Tue 19-Mar-13 10:40:41

Seems to be btm India must be full of overprivileged french children.

I've decided DS is going to do one hour of solid French every night in addition to his normal homework until he pulls his socks up. Honestly I've tried all approaches like you stropps and I'm in despair. Now I'm just going for plain mean. smile

Talking of jogger - anybody remember grikes and clints and limestone pavement? I think I'll integrate "grikes and clints" into my day-to-day vocabulary as swear word substitutes (to be aimed at good for nothing son)

Stropperella Tue 19-Mar-13 10:59:09

grin @ grikes and clints. "stop being such a grike and do yr homework properly"..

Stropperella Tue 19-Mar-13 11:02:29

MI, I feel yr pain. (About the childcare issue rather than the dms. grin Although dms clearly v. irritating)

Stropperella Tue 19-Mar-13 11:04:28

Some barsteward has just retracted a job offer because he thought our line rate too high. Suffice to say, we are talking about peanuts. He clearly is not even looking for a monkey to do his work. More like a cockroach.

Blackduck Tue 19-Mar-13 11:12:33

Oh MI feel your pain - that hole is going to just bug you isn't it? And the childcare thing, Sunday night dp mentions he will be late Monday so I have to collect - this is a new 'late' on our chart so not one I was prepared for - grr.
I haven't even thought about Easter aside from vague musings about grandparents...

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 19-Mar-13 11:55:46

I have been working from home this morning, due to Child Back From India having a runny bottom. I have dosed her up with Immodium and said that as there does not appear to be much else wrong - no temp, no vomiting, no pain, she can finish tidying her room. I am going into the office for a 1700 meeting that It Is Essential That I Attend and No-one Else Will Do.

But having worked from home, and started early, I find I have also managed to tidy and clean the kitchen, doing all of the washing up that Must Be Done By Hand, do two loads of washing and put it away, and make a good start on tidying the linen cupboard. My paid work has not suffered unduly, although the cat did eat my Moroccan Carrot Salad when I went to answer the phone. I had no idea he liked carrots. He had covered the empty bowl tidily with a tea towel when he had finished too. grin

The parasites have suggested bringing sausages, bacon and tea bags. As this is the first time they have ever bothered to bring anything, I have gratefully accepted, although did wonder if this is because they will be expecting a cooked breakfast?

MI - I utterly loathe this "we." The mere sentence that starts "What have we done about..." <insert here: childcare, school, holiday, vaccinations...> gets me very stabby with rage. I am now directional: Please call the doctor and make an appointment for DD1 and take her there. The doctor is English, there is no scary French intervention. Ditto vet: Please call the vet, who speaks perfect English, and book the cats in for their jabs. But it doesn't always work, because he "forgets."

motherinferior Tue 19-Mar-13 12:07:14

My best ever was "did WE put down DD2 for a school place because this letter says the deadline was last week". That would be a yes: WE put her down THREE EFFING BLINDING MONTHS AGO.

I have managed to do an hour's Proper Writing this morning, and yesterday, so perhaps should stop feeling so pathetic.

Blackduck Tue 19-Mar-13 12:26:28

MrsS is that 17.00 meeting the pub quiz (or am I getting my days muddled up?)

'We' ah yes, I have been known to respond with 'I don't know have you <complete task>'

I have constantly reminded about vet and dentist (we still haven't registered). He has done the vet, dentist remains ....I will end up doing it, if only for ds's sake...

motherinferior Tue 19-Mar-13 12:28:54

School has just emailed about a free music/drama scheme over Easter. School hours, but that's workable not least with teenage labour...

Cremolafoam Tue 19-Mar-13 13:24:57

Dh used to do the opposite to the 'we' thing to great effect as in:
"Where's your iron?"
Where do you keep your Hoover"

Stopped doing that pretty quick smart. I can strop for Europe .

Mrs S if it was me I'd be offering the unwanted guests ' an existential breakfast ' ( black coffee and a fag)

hattymattie Tue 19-Mar-13 13:34:45

crem - black coffee and a fag is the average frenchwoman's breakfast grin

Stropperella Tue 19-Mar-13 14:48:51

Har, crem. I get that. Even nutty stuff like "I have fixed your shelf" and "I have hung your washing out". I have wondered if this is some bizarre regionalism (dh and I express ourselves very differently due to coming from opposite ends of the isles) and then decided that it wasn't and threw strops about it. It hasn't made any difference.

As regards getting stuff done whilst working from home, I occasionally amuse myself by shouting a running commentary up the stairs to dh in the office when I am cleaning and tidying during a break from paid work. When he takes a break from paid work he plays his bass. Or reads the paper. Or just cyberloafs and hopes that I think he's working. Obviously, I never do that. grin

bigTillyMint Tue 19-Mar-13 15:20:22

MrsS, show them your lovely frying pan and cookersmile

Yes, I get all the "have we..." apart from where DS's footy is concerned, of coursewink

Stropperella Tue 19-Mar-13 16:50:55

Have just disturbed ds's piano lesson with loud snorting at MI's comments on the Gwynnie and the pasta-haterz thread. Ahhh brown rice: that takes me back to the F-Plan again. grin

Cremolafoam Tue 19-Mar-13 19:35:47

Teehee MI you tell em. grin

How are all the Crepey Teeth today?

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 19-Mar-13 20:43:05

Tooth not too bad, Crem, thank you for asking. AB said to me this afternoon "Where were you yesterday? Did you take a day's leave?" No, I was working from home, as indicated by my diary, collecting DD1 from school at 0815 (except they were late) - this was also in my diary, and at the dentist - also in my diary, but largely outside of working hours, so of little consequence. I was emailing/working from 0730, some of these emails were sent to you you arsehole. Had I been on leave I would not have been, you know, working. Asked colleague who works from home about three days a week if his working from home was ever queried. Nope. Oh. Thought not.

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 19-Mar-13 20:44:03

And one colleague, whom I work with peripherally, as she is in another team said to me "We're dreading you leaving as he will have to pick on someone else then and everyone is worried it's going to be them." shock

Blackduck Tue 19-Mar-13 20:50:23

Well there you go MrsS stress related sick leave. The man is a bully, document all this.

motherinferior Tue 19-Mar-13 21:13:03

I reckon you could get him on sex discrimination.

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 19-Mar-13 21:21:06

I am not sure that I could, MI, as he has a great working relationship with another female manager who is a huge drip and does as she is told. (She is new.)

Cremolafoam Tue 19-Mar-13 21:24:30

Jeez mrs S BD is right about AB being a bully, especially if others now fear the same behaviour being applied to them..
HH is clearly acting as an enabler/ facilitator of his behaviour. It's all very toxic. Sorry to hear ydd has Delhi belly as well. Right now all you need are some unnecessary visitors init?

We have snow - again. Getting bored of it now. Also I visited my dm today and managed to broach the subject of her 70th birthday . Spent much if the time trying to convince her that throwing a party herself means she'd be doing all the work. Her control-freakeryknows no bounds. I think I've persuaded her to think again. Dsis has offered her house but mother says no( on account of fuck knows what--noisy sticky grandchildren--)
I feel a whole new level of stress coming on.hmm

Stropperella Tue 19-Mar-13 22:15:12

Bloody hell, MrsS, if yr colleagues know this why don't they stick up for you? What is the point of AB? Does he actually do anybody any good? He doesn't exactly sound like an asset to the organisation.

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 19-Mar-13 22:46:25

They don't stick up for me because they fear for their jobs - most are on one or two year contracts. It's in their interest to keep their heads down. What is the point of him...good question.

I have to do something about my mother's birthday (it's her 80th) soon. This is difficult - none of her siblings will leave norf London, none of them would be willing to host a party. She has upset most of her friends - I was suggesting I go down for the weekend, and we have the neighbours round, and the few friends she hasn't upset, for a few drinks. And then up to London for lunch with my Godmother somewhere nice. Was thinking Claridges, or possibly the Fortnums restaurant - any other ideas for somewhere to be a bit of an occasion?

CointreauVersial Tue 19-Mar-13 23:24:18

Blinkin' Nora, crepeys, I can't keep up! New thread, 55 posts and I've barely been offline for 24 hours.

I've been out for the last couple of evenings; nothing thrilling, though. Yesterday was a football committee meeting. Dull, but I have "made it known" that I will be resigning as club secretary at the end of this season, so such evenings are hopefully numbered.

Tonight was parent's evening for DD1, and she's the swotty, bright one, so it was a joy basking in her reflected glory. DS is a different animal; I won't go so far as to call him a "lazy toe rag" wink but suffice it to say I'm not looking forward to his parent's evening quite so much.

As we were out late, we ended up with a KFC dinner.blush Classy but, oh my god, I do love a bargain bucket

On the subject of the use of the "royal we" and other such transgressions, DH's biggest crime is saying things like "let's help mummy with HER housework". As if it's my job and the rest of the family is so kindly offering assistance. Or he will go and sit in the car, because he is ready to go; never mind that the DCs haven't been to the loo, got their coats, found their shoes, that's not his job to ensure these things happen, oh no, he's ready.......

Cremolafoam Tue 19-Mar-13 23:32:35

Le pont de la tour
Beaufort Bar at The Savoy?

Need more criteria! Lol

We took dad to Bofinger for his 80th

Blackduck Wed 20-Mar-13 10:01:11

I caught up with the Gwynnie thread this morning - so loving Xenia's raw carrot and sardine meal for the poor and MIs catagoric statements re the attractiveness of said meal.
Xenia cracks me up (and makes me angry ), she just lives in another word and we are all to blame that we aren't in her position and earning squillions, and we are bad examples to our (female) children.....I did love Bonsoir's comment about her never getting a man if she doesn't learn to cook smile

MrsS - AB claerly has a problem with you - I suspect you are not acting with the correct levels of deference and humility to him, he is after all your boss AND a man. But seriously, this is bullying, he is treating you differently to other staff, that is not on.

hattymattie Wed 20-Mar-13 12:27:08

Yup - I'd definitely go for the Bonsoir approach and as I've added to thread - I will have no truck with sardines - nastly little bones that crunch in your mouth hmm.

I don't think I could feed my family without pasta though. I think I'm just for common sense.

Stropperella Wed 20-Mar-13 14:11:22

I love sardines on toast, but I too am a bit wussy about the crunchy bones. Therefore I can only eat them when I am feeling like fiddling about removing the bones. Which is not often. I have to admit that I have done the brown rice and tinned fish thing, but mixed with lots of tomatoes and parsley and a lemony dressing. But that was a long time ago. I find brown rice not worth the bother these days.

I could comment at length on Xenia and why it's probably her fault that I'm on MN at all (tongue in cheek statement), but I won't. Except to say that I think she speaks sense on some things. Such as women maintaining their financial independence. I think she probably should leave the whole recipes for the poor thing alone, though. grin

motherinferior Wed 20-Mar-13 14:21:38

The bones are Good For You and will protect your own bones from the creeping threat of osteoporotic snappery <stern look>

I might try a vaguely Sicilian pasta dish with sardines, pine nuts and raisins soon. I feel the Urge coming on.

Stropperella Wed 20-Mar-13 14:27:39

Yes, I know. But I'd rather just eat more homemade yoghurt. Or cheese. Or green leafy veg. smile

Cremolafoam Wed 20-Mar-13 15:50:24

Where do we stand on anchovies?
I have delicious smoked anchois in my fridge ATM . Might do the Elizabeth David classic:
stuffed peppers

Which would not be the same without THE BREAD oh nogrin

hattymattie Wed 20-Mar-13 16:06:51

<quails under stern look from MI> Still not eating sardines. I may go for anchovies. I do eat lots of salmon though <looks hopeful>

motherinferior Wed 20-Mar-13 16:19:04

I love anchovies. And they are now officially Sustainable, I believe.

Cremolafoam Wed 20-Mar-13 16:21:46

<checks self for osteoporotic snappery>confused

bigTillyMint Wed 20-Mar-13 16:22:08

I eat most things and love fish, but tinned sardines is a step too far - do they still come in that oily tomato sauce. Eeeeeuuuuwww!

I am knackered having done an hour and 15 in the gym this morning and then walking about 6miles to various meetings all day. And we are talking of doing boot camp one night after workshock

Cremolafoam Wed 20-Mar-13 16:23:38

Oh good . Love then but probably contain a lot of salt non?
Very dismayed that mackerel may be on the danger list. I love a BBQ mackerel. Local market still full of them thoughwink

motherinferior Wed 20-Mar-13 16:36:42

I have just ordered some Superior tinned sardines - actually pilchards grin - v nice ones, to do aforementioned pasta dish. Which everyone but me will hate. Natch.

Cremola, if I pitch a feature idea on kinship care, might you be prepared to be interviewed? Say no if not.

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 20-Mar-13 17:36:01

Mmm, sardines. And pilchards. And anchovies.

We are having a Meal of Shame tonight - chicken and blue cheese casserole. One of the ingredients is a tin of Campbell's condensed mushroom soup. grin I am ever the gourmet. Also need to do some tidying tonight for the arrival of the house guests, and make a quiche so that they can have some food when they arrive.

Stropperella Wed 20-Mar-13 17:50:33

Ha, MrsS, if you think that is a Meal of Shame, you need to come and spend some time chez moi.

Actually, no, you'd best not. The Shame would just be too great blush grin

bigTillyMint Wed 20-Mar-13 18:06:39

Our fishman does delicious smoked mackerelsmile

DS has been making his English homework - chocolate covered jelly babies. Apparently part of the persuasive writing topicconfused

motherinferior Wed 20-Mar-13 18:15:30

We're having couscous with grilled hallumi. Red peppers (I bunged them in with potatoes to bake the other day) and cherry toms chopped into the couscous. God I love food. Life would be so bereft without it.

"We" and this time I mean DP are going to a session on maths teaching at DD1's school.

BTM, I bet your DS knows some of DD1's old classmates. They are all apparently enjoying the 'social side' of school hmm.

motherinferior Wed 20-Mar-13 18:17:02

FFS MrsS, no quiche making. This is why God invented Picard. Or possibly, of course, Captain Picard did. (Like a Star Trek version of Cap'n Birds Eye.) Remember, the nicer you make it the more likely it is that they will return. Think of it as a guilt-free adult version of controlled crying grin.

Cremolafoam Wed 20-Mar-13 18:24:35

MI - yes glad to help. Pm me if you decide to do it.

I am at work which means I don't get to eat until at least 9 pm. Food chat making me salivateshock
Then I will have to sleep on a mattress on the floor due to new carpet being delivered and fitted at 8.30am. Need to dismantle vast Victorian bed beforehand.

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 20-Mar-13 18:42:45

Oh this is to feed the Schadenfrauleins too. Quiche, salad, they can eat cold. With Branston and salad cream. grin

bigTillyMint Wed 20-Mar-13 19:23:42

MI, DS is also enjoying the social side of school. With girls as well as boyshmm I think some may be accompanying him and his friends on the MaccyD's/cinema trip on Friday to celebrate his birthday!

bigTillyMint Wed 20-Mar-13 19:30:28

Crem, the carpet fitters managed to just move our bed when we had our carpet fittedconfused

oldqueencrepey Wed 20-Mar-13 20:08:38

yum. This is better than the jewish food chat.
MI I expect you have a delicious sardine pasta recipe up you sleeve but will tell you mine anyway...

Sweat (yuk!) some thickly sliced onion in olive oil with a little chopped red chilli.
Add some capers and the sardines. Break up roughly with fork. Add pinch of saffron that you've steeped in half a cup of boiling water. Heat through. Add chopped flat parsley and lots of black pepper. Serve with rigatoni / penne.

The secret to non yucky sardines is to buy skinned fillets in olive oil (from waitrose natch). No bones. no slimy skin. No tomato sauce. You couldn't get them for a while round here. When they reappeared dh came home with 24 tins shock

Cremolafoam Wed 20-Mar-13 20:20:53

BTM sadly giant bed IS the size of the room. Takes 4 people to lift it unless it is taken to bits. I need an ikea kids step to get onto it- blush
All the bedroom furniture is enormous due to grandparents living in grand Georgian farmhouse and then us inheriting it and foolishly buying a small cottage instead of a stately home.grin

Woo I got home early and am now chomping fresh ravioli with puttanesca sauce( mmn the smoked anchovies are yum) and watching masterchef. My money is in Helen, mum of 3 being a mnettersmile

oldqueencrepey Wed 20-Mar-13 20:30:29

oooh. MI. Forgot the best ingredient! Toasted pine nuts added at the end.

motherinferior Wed 20-Mar-13 21:12:26

I must dig out that ancient saffron.

The deceptively if accurately named Cornish Pilchards are very nice. And although pricier than some sardines, still damn cheap.

bigTillyMint Wed 20-Mar-13 21:14:44

Crem, am liking the sound of your bed.

Am now feeling peckish. Are pilchards sardines then?confused

motherinferior Wed 20-Mar-13 21:15:24

Yep. Or much the same.

motherinferior Wed 20-Mar-13 21:16:01

These are posho fish in posho tin and all. Not Common Pilchards grin

bigTillyMint Wed 20-Mar-13 21:17:13

Am now thinking about Bob the Builder's cat. It was called Pilchard, wasn't it? The DC had a Bob computer game... <senior moment of rambling>

bigTillyMint Wed 20-Mar-13 21:22:47

And in S&B news, my bikini purchases for DD are a hit. And they were all cheapies from Asda and Tescos. But then DD would look good in anything - not a wobbly bit in sight (apart from the bits which should wobblewink)

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 20-Mar-13 21:52:32

The rule in our house, when I was growing up, was that sardines had to be in olive oil, and pilchards in tomato sauce. Pilchards were served with salad for Sunday tea. DH has them mashed and grilled on toast. Sardines were for parties, where they were halved, deboned and served on fingers of toast. Quite the hostess, my mother. Once she got so drunk before the party that she was throwing up as the guests were arriving.

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 20-Mar-13 22:01:40

Other features of the 1970s buffet table: rice salad, served in a ring mould, with peppers and olives in it. I think it was called Greek rice salad. Chicken wings in breadcrumbs, salmon mousse (made with tinned salmon - great recipe), lots of salad (green, tomato), mini jacket potatoes with a mayonnaise and sour cream dip. Oh and a cold smoked sausage - a huge one from the Polish deli in town. Roll mops if it was family. "French" bread, with butter and the cheese board (Cheddar, Danish Blue and Boursin - Brie hadn't arrived by then). Tinned fruit salad with a fresh kiwi fruit added, chopped very small. Oh and she used to serve something which involved tinned pineapple and mandarins, cocktail cherries, marshmallows and sour cream, all mixed up together. I think I was the only person who ever ate it.

Wine was never served - there was beer (Watney's Party Seven), martini or cinzano, gin and tonic, whisky and soda (from a siphon - we had to check it before guests arrived as a dead wasp fell into someone's drink one year when it was squirted) or dry ginger. And little tins of "fruit juice" - pineapple for Auntie June and a few cans of orange for anyone who didn't fancy alcohol (most did).

Cremolafoam Wed 20-Mar-13 22:09:09

Hahahagrinmrs s makes me think of one time in London at cafe des Amis Covent Garden. Tables v close together. M&d visiting me & db in London so out for naice meal( I was still a student). Anyhoo tables vv close a la francais. Dm eats her starter. ( Moules) Suddenly looks v green and throws up on plate . Couple next to us too engrossed in romantic evening to notice. Mother just gently places napkin over plate and NOT ONE PERSON in packed restaurant notices! We as a family are not only horrified but in hysterics laughing.
Classy we are. Classy in the Big Smoke!
We are forbidden to ever mention it EVER AGAIN!

Stropperella Wed 20-Mar-13 22:11:12

We didn't have buffets in our house. That would have been deemed too modern and racy. grin

Cremolafoam Wed 20-Mar-13 22:16:38

Oh I sometimes wonder how we survived the 70s from neglect. My parents partied away the whole decade , drank and drive regularly and we were given leftover Schnizel & Gateau Diane for breakfast.

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 20-Mar-13 22:19:47

It must have been a very quiet and ladylike vom, Crem! grin

We were dead modern, Stropps, clearly. We moved to a large old, semi derelict house when I was about 4, which was my Dad's "project". We had no roof on half of the house for about six months, because he wanted to do all the work himself (modernise it, which involved ripping out an inglenook and replacing solid wood doors with painted chipboard or mdf jobs) with some mates, rather than pay a professional. When the roof finally went up, it lasted for about two years, before it collapsed over the dining room, and it had to be done Properly by Someone Who Knew What They Were Doing. After my Dad died, my mother couldn't bear to think of anyone else living in it, so sold it to a developer, who knocked it down and built nasty Executive Homes on the land. sad

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 20-Mar-13 22:20:43

Oh yes, the drink driving. "I'll be fine. I've only had ten pints of beer."

CointreauVersial Wed 20-Mar-13 22:27:22

MrsS, it sounds like Abigail's Party round at your mum's house back in the day. Did she waft about in a kaftan proffering nibbles?

I love an anchovy..... DD1 and I are addicted to those marinated ones you find in the chiller at Sainsburys. Like tiddly roll-mops.

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 20-Mar-13 22:30:25

She used to slap my legs to make me dance if she thought it looked like I wasn't enjoying myself. angry

Cremolafoam Wed 20-Mar-13 22:36:01

Mrs S that's appalling !grin
We were made to do turns on the piano for the Rabbi. ( also fond of my mothers mandarin pavlova)

Stropperella Wed 20-Mar-13 22:50:43

My parents either had full-on dinner parties or - more usually - "drinks parties" involving frankly ludicrous quantities of spirits and a minute bowl of peanuts. And there was so much smoke you couldn't see from one end of the room to the other. My bro and I were simply banished to a bedroom with a bottle of lemonde and the few leftover peanuts.

oldqueencrepey Wed 20-Mar-13 22:52:28

Aaaaggh. You're stirring terrible memories of the '70s for me. I'm having flashbacks as I'm reading your posts...

- my dm's bright orange volvo estate. She would drive around at speed with 4 children sitting in the boot
- cheesey footballs
- non-ironic cheddar and pineapple on a stick, stuck in half a pineapple, skin side up to resemble a hedgehog
-silverskin cocktail onions
- creme de menthe frappe
- maraschino cherries
- my dm's macrame projects (macrame owl shaped wall hanging anyone?)
- roald dahl "Tales of the Unexpected" on telly on Sat nights. They'd go out and leave me in charge of my siblings and I would scare myself shitless watching it...

Am off for a lie down.

CointreauVersial Wed 20-Mar-13 22:53:27

Like Strops, DB and I were most certainly not welcome at "dinner parties".

Unless the house was on fire we were forbidden to make an appearance.

We didn't even get lemonade and peanuts. sad

Stropperella Wed 20-Mar-13 22:57:08

Actual lol @ OQC. Dear god, yes macrame. That's enough to give anyone nightmares. I used to get through so much string. And being driven around sitting in the boot.

CV, the dog was allowed at the party but we weren't. Does that make you feel better about the lemonade and peanuts? grin

Stropperella Wed 20-Mar-13 22:57:44

<wanders off to check out the string draw>

Stropperella Wed 20-Mar-13 22:58:44

(that'd be 1970s string rather than those dubious modern pants)

Cremolafoam Wed 20-Mar-13 23:17:55

Lol @ macramé . I'm sure we got up to That Sort Of Thing with the girl guides.
Strops omg tales of the unexpected - Roald Dahl .< Dsis and I on a horrible brown tweed settee terrified and fascinated> used to do the dance to the theme tune too.grin}{}{}{

oldqueencrepey Wed 20-Mar-13 23:24:31

Isn't it weird how these things come back to you? Who knew that I could vividly recall the theme music right now... and the silhouetted dancing woman!
And OMG... we too had the brown tweedy / knobbly sofa to watch it from...

oldqueencrepey Wed 20-Mar-13 23:25:01

Are you the sister I never had Crem??

Cremolafoam Wed 20-Mar-13 23:33:53

Oqc we are ' of an era'grin
Isn't it peculiar that our lives were quite small- 3 channels in the telly, all taught the same syllabus, : our children's lives are so diverse they probably won't have that same nostalgia recognition thing we dowink

Blimey got a bit thoughtful there-< imagines the 70s in a vaguely orange hue>

beachyhead Wed 20-Mar-13 23:41:53

Brown knobbly sofa here too.....

And my mum finding me rolling around in the guests fur coats that were left on their bed, while the dinner party went on below....

Tales of the Unexpected was scary, really scary!

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 20-Mar-13 23:44:12

We had green paisley wallpaper in the kitchen and an orange fitted kitchen. One wall had pine pannelling, which got quite dark, what with all the cooking fat and cigarette smoke. The rest of the house was quite traditional, with Sanderson wallpaper, but the kitchen made you suck your breath in, on entering. All that colour!

I whittled a woggle at guides and did indeed make a macrame owl wall hanging. It had a bit of stick woven into it, as its perch. Guides! With that "air hostess" type uniform and hat!

oldqueencrepey Wed 20-Mar-13 23:46:47

You're so right re the smallness and the recognition.
We had an orange and sludge green wrighton kitchen.
And yes, the macrame owl had a twig perch!

Cremolafoam Wed 20-Mar-13 23:54:33

Yes the navy hat! Omg I lost mine in a drop latrine whilst camping with guides in Wales. I was made to collect water for billy tea from a stream for the whole packblush
now a vintage piece

Cremolafoam Thu 21-Mar-13 00:04:20

goodnight laydees
I am off to my mattress. New carpet tomorrowgrin!

Blackduck Thu 21-Mar-13 05:57:13

Macramé owl - I wasn't advanced enough for that. I made plant pot holders.
Yes to all the 'food' mentioned, and being put in the boot of cars....
Rice ring - good yes, height of sophistication.
Quite fond of the 70s really, I generally had a good time growing up until about 77 and then it went to hell......

bigTillyMint Thu 21-Mar-13 06:57:08

My macrame owl (on it's twig) sat proudly on the wall of my French (penfriend from when we were 12) friend's mum's kitchen for years <proud emoticon>

I feel quite envy with all your Abigail's party tales - the height of sophistication in our house was a barrel of Party 7 and the folding cards table with the green baize in front of the footy! I did watch Tales of the Unexpected thoughsmile

BD, I too am quite fond of the 70's, although it was pretty hellish at home from about 1969 till about 1975!

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 21-Mar-13 08:14:49

I have tidied up a bit, washed floors, cleaned kitchen and bathroom and made the house look a bit less like the Wreck of the Hesperus. And have just seen the time - I should be on my way to work! shock

Blackduck Thu 21-Mar-13 08:42:56

BTM - older sibling?

I have just realised it is my brother's birthday tomorrow - damn.......

bigTillyMint Thu 21-Mar-13 09:19:46

BD, Nah, alcoholic fathersmile

MrsS, you need to namechange back to FuckingWonderwomangrin

hattymattie Thu 21-Mar-13 09:43:06

All these buffets make me think of Margot off the good life. I used to love pineapple/cheese/sausages on stick stuck into half a grapefruit (may try this one on french children as social experiment).

We also had bright green luminous volvo and pine walled kitchen. They got it all redone "posh" after I left home hmm.

crem I don't think our children will have the nostalgia of Tales of the Unexpected and hiding behind the sofa during Dr Who - the things that unite disparate Brits of a certain age all over the world.

herbaceous Thu 21-Mar-13 11:18:50

We had volvos too! First one was mustard colour - RJH 400H - the second custard, and the third more a french mustard. We used to get put in the boot in sleeping bags to drive to our holiday cottage in Norfolk. Which had an olive green kitchen, mustard yellow front door and Ercol settees. And sunburst shagpile rug.

My parents were always at, or hosting 'neighbours in', where heroic quantities of booze was consumed. One neighbour specialised in black velvet - guinness and champagne - and another in a lethal punch based on grappa. All the kids used to drink the leftovers.

Macrame plant pot holders were filled with spider plants, and a teatime treat was butterscotch Angel Delight, or a Symington's table cream. With Florida orange juice, that was kept in the freezer. Or Rise and Shine, on cheaper days (made from a packet. Bizarre). Tins of Twiglets. Aaaaahhh... the 70s. Happier, simpler times.

I had lots of dolls in national dress in a cabinet. And lots of Top of the Pops albums, with ladies in bikinis on the front.

Stropperella Thu 21-Mar-13 11:59:56

My dad spent most of the 1970s pretending he was still living in the 1950s. We had a 1950s kitchen (my poor mother) which he refused to update on the principle that it all still worked. According to him, "the teenager" was a nasty new-fangled invention as well. grin We were also not allowed a sofa on the grounds that he couldn't understand why anyone would want to share sitting space with another person. A decadent concept, apparently.

Cremolafoam Thu 21-Mar-13 12:01:10

Herbs lol yes the twigets were long remember ! And came in a peak freans box. Yes too to butterscotch Angel Delight and the frozen Rise and Shine. In actual fact the majority of our diet was orange as I recall.
Birdseye supermousse
Birdseye fish fingers
Birdseye beef burgers
Heinz baked beans
Angel delight
Spaghetti hoops
Then dm had a deep fat fryer fitted into the work top of the mustard poggenpohl kitchen in jubilee year( 77) and we deep fried pretty much everything after that.

motherinferior Thu 21-Mar-13 12:28:16

My parents had a deeply ambiguous relationship with the whole of the 1960s and 1970s. My father was a university lecturer at UEA, and of a vaguely liberal-lefty disposition, yet most of the more exciting aspects of the decades passed him by.

We have a macramé owl somewhere. I have absolutely no idea how DP came by it.

herbaceous Thu 21-Mar-13 12:48:38

Ooh! And long Matchmakers! And long matches, in a fancy box, for lighting endless cigarettes put out in an ashtray on a stand, with a button on the top that span the fag end and ash into the vessel below.

CointreauVersial Thu 21-Mar-13 13:08:24

The 70s was the era of olive green for me....everything (walls, carpet, curtains, sofa) in a sludgey goldy-greeny colour. And nylon.

Possibly some flashes of orange in the kitchen....

We had a vair modern house, built in 1974. It had a turquoise shower room! We had duvets (or "continental quilts" as they were known as)! No deep-fat-fryer, though (not with my health-freak DM).

I made a macrame belt, with loooong tassels at the end, in red, white & blue for the Silver Jubilee.

I also had the national costume dolls, which DM exhumed from the loft only last year. They had pretty much fallen apart; surprisingly enough, the DDs weren't remotely interested in having them so they went in the bin <mercenary>. Of course, also in the box were my Pippa dolls, which then fetched over £200 on eBay. grin

No Volvo, but a bright blue Triumph Dolomite.

<nostalgic sigh>

bigTillyMint Thu 21-Mar-13 13:16:57

I have just remembered that I made macrame purses on long straps. They became all the rage in Y6 and I made them for all my friendsgrin

My DM had a Triumph Herald until she wrote it off.

I remember that rise and shine <bleurgh> And butterscotch Angel Delight is still a teatime treat in our house (had it last nightblush)

herbaceous Thu 21-Mar-13 13:25:37

My dad also had a blue Hilman Imp.

M&D built lots of houses. The best one was in the mid-60s. It had a 3ft-wide tangerine door, a magenta 'master' bathroom (inc sanitary ware), with shagpile up the side of the bath. The sitting room was floored in acres of endangered hardwood, with white goatskin rugs, and they had the Temperance Seven play at their housewarming. I bet all sorts used to go on at their parties.

The house was later bought by Donovan!

Cremolafoam Thu 21-Mar-13 13:30:40

Dm had a Hillman Imp that she drove to her university research job. I was permitted to sit on her lap as a 2 year old when she drove to the shop to buy Consulate minty fags.shock At 5 I was sent in to the shop to fetch the cigs and ' put them on mummy's account '
I got a Bubbly chewing gum and a quarter of liquorice comfits for my trouble grin
Hence teeth rot I supposeconfused

Cremolafoam Thu 21-Mar-13 13:31:43

X posts herbs!!! Lol@ Hillman imp

CointreauVersial Thu 21-Mar-13 13:33:38

Carpeted bathrooms......shock

<remembers that DCs' bathroom remains carpeted, four years after moving into house>

Stropperella Thu 21-Mar-13 13:53:36

Shagpile up the side of the bath? Magenta? Tangerine? Woah, herbs, yr parents sound too groovy for words grin

No funky motors in our house, just a silver Ford Station Wagon.

Cremolafoam Thu 21-Mar-13 14:06:54

oh herbs a magenta bathroom! Blimey I only ever saw one of those in a flat in Glasgow once. it was a thing of extraordinary horror! ours was avocado natch. Plenty of enormous flowery wallpaper too chez nous. I had 'spot and friends' in my bedroom. should have kept it

herbaceous Thu 21-Mar-13 14:11:27

Our next house had a yellow bathroom, and a blue bathroom, both with 'complimentary' vast flowers on the wallpaper.

Come to think of it, I've always felt twitchy living in this house with only one bathroom. Now it's becoming clear why!

On a faintly S&B note, remember the days of wearing a long skirt or dress to birthday parties? I had a number, all made by my mum, and often featuring that material with elastic shirring in the top.

Cremolafoam Thu 21-Mar-13 14:16:15

CV im going to dig out my Sindy and Amanda Jane collection. £200 you say?

Cremolafoam Thu 21-Mar-13 15:01:51

a particular favorite for parties I actually still have this pattern. DD would be absolutely horrified.

hattymattie Thu 21-Mar-13 15:05:26

God Crem - I really wanted one of those tiered skirts. Everybody had them - sometimes with lace trimmings. I made my mother take me to that very trendy shop C&A (which I'll have you know is still going strong in France) to get one.

What year was that?

herbaceous Thu 21-Mar-13 15:19:30

I had one with a lace trim at the bottom! In navy, with little yellow flowers on. <misty eyed>

motherinferior Thu 21-Mar-13 15:45:51


Oh god they were all the rage.

And I imagine every DD on this thread is attired in skimpy shorts over thick tights...

Blackduck Thu 21-Mar-13 15:47:03

Large VW estate here which my tiny mum drove peering over the steering wheel.
Butterscotch angel delight - yes.

I have carpet in the bathroom of our house - it HAS to go, along with the cork walls (do not ask. - it is tres 1970s)

Tierd skirts - yes, french knitting and french skipping (getting your mum to buy yards of elastic). Playing complicated ball gaes with two tennis balls.

Blackduck Thu 21-Mar-13 15:49:24

OMG Cremo I actually REMEBER that pattern - I think my mother had it.....

motherinferior Thu 21-Mar-13 16:00:59

I did not madly enjoy the 1970s. At all. It was not a good time to be a pretentious pseudo-intellectual afflicted with out-of-it parents in Norwich.

Although perhaps I didn't help myself, of course. I went to my Oxford interviews in November 1979 in a blue Laura Ashley brushed-cotton frock with a black velvet ribbon in my hair <rictus of horror emoticon>. It was the day John Lennon died. I remember quite distinctly.

hattymattie Thu 21-Mar-13 16:15:32

I think my DD went out in longish mini skirt and thick tights today, although she does have the regulation shorts.

MI when I see how I was dressed at 18 compared to my daughters at 16 and 14 I want to cry. I look like such a dork. (Hopefully I dress a bit better now hmm

Stropperella Thu 21-Mar-13 16:31:49

I am v. like BD in that first half of 1970s = pretty good; second half of 1970s = hellish. I had a very nice American aunt who made me a lovely tiered skirt, but I didn't get to wear it much. I started starving myself with a vengeance in 1978 and I was all very, very skinny drainpipe jeans and homemade piecings and hollow-eyed woe. (and everyone's favourite party guest - NOT)

bigTillyMint Thu 21-Mar-13 16:45:56

Cremo and BD, I think my DM had that pattern tooshock!

Strops, I was a chubster through the 70's (although would have been very average these days as children/teens have got fatter!) and into indie music. My DC only like mainstream popangry!

motherinferior Thu 21-Mar-13 16:59:10

Strops, I would have been so envy of you. I would have been my mother's prize daughter, as demonstrated by my anorexic sister angry.

bigTillyMint Thu 21-Mar-13 18:35:37

Abigail's Party is on tonight - BBC 4 at 10pmgrin

I won't be staying up to watch it - I have to be up at quarter to five tomorrow morning to drop DD and her friend at school for Belgium triphmm

Stropperella Thu 21-Mar-13 18:37:54

Oh trust me, MI, you so wouldn't. The anorexia (for that is what it was) drove my controlling ma even more batshit crazy than she already was. After a couple of years and yet another violent showdown, I also went batshit crazy and started eating again. But everything I could lay my hands on, including things that were not food (no, you don't want to know...). So what do my parents do? Do they follow the GP's advice and send me to a psychiatrist (which they really should have done when I started rattling when I walked and was covered in hair where I shouldn't have had any)? Do they heck. They send me to a high-security, high-pressure boarding school. Where I then managed to become immensely (and I do mean immensely) fat. 5.5 stone to 13.5 stone in 18 months. I was completely barking. I have no concept of what it is like to have fun when you are a teenager. I spent the entire time being utterly mad. Of all the bodge-ups I've made in life since, nothing beats the grimness of that time.

Cremolafoam Thu 21-Mar-13 18:49:42


bigTillyMint Thu 21-Mar-13 18:58:40

Oh Stroppssad
Do they realise where they went wrong now, or do they just pretend it never happened (like my DM does re life with my alcoholic father)? Do you still feel cross/resentful of them?

Stropperella Thu 21-Mar-13 19:07:46

Oh I think my dad always just blamed me for being tiresome on purpose. He couldn't get his head around it at all. My mother and I were not on good terms for many years and things got worse when I checked finally checked myself into the nuthouse for a year in my mid-20s (oh the shame etc etc and they still pretended there was nothing wrong with me).

I took myself apart and put myself back together in some sort of order after that, but I did then make a daft first marriage which was a bit of a bummer. Still, probably par for the course given my history. However, once I had managed to stabilize my nuttiness and proved myself to be not an entirely catastrophic parent, my mother and I have sort of sorted ourselves out. I've seen enough of the other side of parenting someone not very straightforward and recognized enough of my mother in myself to understand it all a bit better these days. I have also concluded that hormones are responsible for an awful lot more than we realise. I don't think anyone had any kind of a clue that I would go stark raving bonkers when adolescence hit. I honestly was a pretty normal child. grin

Stropperella Thu 21-Mar-13 19:52:23

Sorry for that little woe is me blah bit there. Enough of all that. To get back on (S&B) track: I'm blaming you lot for the fact that today I've mainly been wearing these I care not if I look muttony. They are luvverly. And if I look a bit bonkers, it is merely a reflection of the inner truth. grin

CointreauVersial Thu 21-Mar-13 19:54:35

sad Some sad tales of childhood here....

Nothing so bad in my life, apart from a stepdad I didn't get on with (but who I love to bits now). I went off to boarding school a precocious little madam at 11, and it took me a good while to fit in, but fortunately I'm bomb-proof pretty self-contained, so it came good in the end.

DD1 is very similar to me at that age - currently revelling in being the bright girl in the class and showing off no end, although she's a lot prettier and more popular than I ever was. One of the other girls has started to pick on her a little (the jealousy thing, I suspect), but DD1 is having none of it.

CointreauVersial Thu 21-Mar-13 19:56:11

Wow, Strops, confident trousers!

Blackduck Thu 21-Mar-13 20:07:25

Fabbo trousers Stropps.

For me it wasn't hormones but boring bullies that made latter half of 70s hell. What little confidence I had got hammered, and my masters supervisor finished me off...that was me set up to monumentally underachieve for life.
Crap innit what can screw you up....

bigTillyMint Thu 21-Mar-13 21:09:26

Like the kecks, Stropps!

Glad to hear your DD is sticking up for herself CV.

TFIF tomorrow, albeit with a 4.45 start!

Stropperella Thu 21-Mar-13 21:28:33

Commiserations on the hideously early start, BTM. Hope your dd has a good trip to Belgium.

BD, yes, indeed, I know what you mean. Still plenty of time to learn to feel better about oneself, though! Or just to self-medicate with a large glass of red grin

Go CV's dd - kick the meanies into touch. grin

CointreauVersial Thu 21-Mar-13 22:25:01

Well, I am certainly hoping that the slight bullying thing doesn't escalate. It's really just one girl, an old friend of DD1's, and she is (although one shouldn't actually say such things) "not very nice ". My heart sank when I heard they were going to be in the same tutor group. It is fine at the moment, and the school have their eye firmly on the situation because she has already bullied another girl to the point that they had to move her out of the tutor group. DD1 has her number, that's for sure, and has some good mates around her, so fingers crossed it will pass.

I have spent the afternoon phoning various companies to amend all my direct debits so they come out of my new bank account. The new bank (who shall not be named; suffice it to say that it starts with SAN, ends in DER, and has the letters IINCOMPETENTFOOLSWHOSHOULDN'TBEINBUSINESS in the middle), had sold me a "seamless" transfer system that will painlessly move all my direct debits across "within 10 working days", and yet, after SIX WEEKS nothing whatsoever had been transferred. Our pay is in the new account, bills are being paid from the (now overdrawn) old; it's not going to work, is it?

So I phoned up for a therapeutic shout at a hapless customer service operative, and, do you know what the reason was for the failure? Apparently it was down to the fact that my old account was with Cahoot, which is part of Santander Yes, the reason they couldn't transfer the account details is because it is the same chuffing bank. It is apparently dealt with "by a different department" (and that has to be one of the most risible get-out clauses ever invented). Honestly, you couldn't make it up. And at no point did they notify me of the problem. Rant rant rant.

Anyhoo, my shouting resulted in £55 compensation to cover the cost of phone calls. Quite right too.

Stropperella Thu 21-Mar-13 22:39:14

I'm afraid can make no positive or encouraging remarks about SAN___DER at all. My mother and I had somewhat peripheral contact with them last year and to say they made a mountain out of a molehill would be understating the situation somewhat. A matter that several other financial institutions dealt with in one day took them 10 effing months to resolve. Communication is not their strong point.

Cremolafoam Thu 21-Mar-13 22:43:56

Go CVgrin< cheers and makes whooping noise>
Bloody banks. I dunno I do think they're all out to get us. They can do what they want when it suits them.
Talking of things pecuniary , what has George Osborne done for you?
It is just possible that while I'm on the brink of losing the child benefit ( family credit already a distant memory), that I may not actually have to pay any tax on my shitty part time salary because of the higher threshold . It'll all work out the same in the end I suppose .wink

Blackduck Fri 22-Mar-13 00:45:27

Bloody snow here!
Remember my abortive birthday dinner/drinks with friends that has been cancelled three times, well it's looking unlikely tomorrow again! angry

bigTillyMint Fri 22-Mar-13 07:04:58

BDsad You're doomed!

It was bloody freezing here at 5am, but no snow and only a bit of drizzle.
DS is now officially 12!

Stropperella Fri 22-Mar-13 09:13:14

Did your dd get off on her trip alright then, BTM? Happy birthday to your ds!

BD, maybe you should plan to do the b-day dinner on your XX and a half b-day instead. grin

Blackduck Fri 22-Mar-13 09:36:26

AHHHH - just dropped my key down the sodding lift shaft gets better and better...

hattymattie Fri 22-Mar-13 09:50:36

A belated love your trousers Strops - I think the world would be much more fun if we didn't all have to be so wretchedly confirmist. I've decided I'm going to be a wildly eccentric old lady and have warned DC's.

Children can be really cruel - I told DS to be nice to little boy who's a bit geeky and so not very popular. DS came back in tears for having been laughed at for being seen talking to this child. What is their problem? It is really survival of the fittest.

Oh BD hope you have a spare. Not a good situation to be in.

Stropperella Fri 22-Mar-13 10:01:47

Awww no BD. Hope your day does actually properly get better.

Hatty, my ds (8) came home somewhat gloomy yesterday because a bunch of boys in his class had been laughing at his new boxers (they had swimming yesterday morning, so saw them in the changing room) because they are "babyish". They apparently have the wrong kind of superheroes on them. hmm Marvel superheroes = OK. Generic superheroes = babyish. Ds just stuck his lip out and said "Well I like them". But he didn't look very happy.

Blackduck Fri 22-Mar-13 10:15:58

it can't get worse...

Oh god I HATE all that...luckily ds's new school seems remarkably free of such things. But then ds is known as one of the two class geeks....
He has a healthy (imo) disregard for 'fashion' and what is babyish and what is not. Him and a y6 girl spent two hours last week building an amazingly long and complicated wooden Thomas train track, and the word 'babyish' was not even mentioned..

rubyrubyruby Fri 22-Mar-13 11:03:05

Found you all smile

Apologies for going AWOL.

Stropperella Fri 22-Mar-13 11:07:21

Hello Ruby, how's your tooth?

Cremolafoam Fri 22-Mar-13 11:10:57

We are snowed in. We have no electricity. It is -7• . The electric power cable is on its side in my front garden. Airport is closed so dd may not get back from Berlin tonight.hmm
Merry Xmas .

Stropperella Fri 22-Mar-13 11:26:22

Oh no, Crem. That sounds awful. And very cold. Hope your dd doesn't have to spend a night at the airport.

Cremolafoam Fri 22-Mar-13 11:37:23

The weather is extraordinary! Blizzard because of high winds; all the windows are white with a frozen layer of hurled snow! Dh has dug out the camping stove to make coffee. grin
Electric company can't get here because we're at the top if a hill. And can't give us a time. I have 14% left on my phone so better sign offshock in case dd tries to email.
< Dunkirk spirit>

motherinferior Fri 22-Mar-13 11:39:58

Roo-bee! Thought my carby grumpiness had driven you away! How are you???

We do not, at the moment, have snow...

wilbur Fri 22-Mar-13 12:21:52

Gosh Crem - what a nightmare. It was snowing this morning very lightly but has stopped, thank god. Cold though, I have on 5 layers, but not -7 shock.

I have just had such a nice time reading the memories of the 70s - we had most of that (but not the processed food, twas not allowed and I had to BEG for Findus Crispy Pancakes). Our kitchen was orange formica with [[ this poster] on the wall. Looking that up has actually brought a tear to my eye... Our household was also subject to the random awfulness of an alcoholic parent, but all these years later I sort of feel it's a testament to the resilience of people, kids in particular, that we can come through this stuff. Not entirely unscathed, but functioning and reasonably aware.

In honour of Crem's tiered skirt (pretty sure we had that pattern too), I'm about to put a fave old picture on my profile of what birthday parties looked like circa 1976. I am in the middle wearing puffed sleeves grin and it must be my sister's b'day as the rest are mainly her friends - she is the tall one in the dark blue top in the back row.

wilbur Fri 22-Mar-13 12:22:24
Blackduck Fri 22-Mar-13 12:38:42

Ruby - how's the tooth!
Cremo - wow - sounds bad!
I am actually wondering if I should stay over tonight as I don't want to not be able to get home tomorrow (up a hill...)
Key was a friends - I WAS staying there tonight, but am now going to have to rely on the kindness of strangers...

bigTillyMint Fri 22-Mar-13 13:21:37

Yes, DD is probably in a muddy battlefield in Ypres as I type!

Love the photo Wilbursmile Surely it must be time for a puffed sleeves comeback? Parties were so much more special in the 70's when you got to wear a long dress/skirt.

Cremo, that sounds horrificshock And BD... where are you?

herbaceous Fri 22-Mar-13 13:26:09

My mum has just sent me a couple of baby photos of me for a babyshower game this weekend. By Christ, I was ugly. Hugely fat, three rolls on the thighs, great big cheeks squashing my mouth together... Ugh. Think DS must get his looks from DP's side.

herbaceous Fri 22-Mar-13 13:38:54

I seem to be continuing the crepey tradition of starting rucks on other threads. Ridiculous woman on the 'zone 1-3' thread getting a pasting.

Blackduck Fri 22-Mar-13 13:58:14

BTM - Midlands (I work in Birmingham and live in Malvern...up a hill, on the snowy side smile )

oldqueencrepey Fri 22-Mar-13 14:28:53

I love the fact this is a truly crepey love in... where we can bond over these common memories. I find it quite moving [don't worry I'm not normally quite so soppy, think it's me hormones]. I just KNEW what wilbur's poster would be before clicking on the link.. which made me think of that iconic Biba poster that I had on my teen bedroom wall and which no doubt many of you did too, all frizzzy permed hair and panda eyes..

Can't believe the extreme weather you're having to contend with crem, BD. Just some rather painful hail here while out with dog. ddog not impressed!

Herbs, can't believe your tales of childhood unnatractiveness. When I met you you were luverly. Am going to find that thread and join in the ruck.

Who else used to have clothes from "Tammy Girl", the pubescent offering from Etam? I had a tiered maxi skirt with a print of telephones on it... Why?? I thought it the height of sophistication along with a couple of knitted "tank tops" and a cheesecloth shirt (bleurgh).

motherinferior Fri 22-Mar-13 14:31:24

At least it wasn't the tennis bum pic grin

And talking of childhood unattractiveness, I feel perhaps having a mother who said 'consolingly' to me "don't worry, the pictures I've sent to the family in India only show you from the neck upwards" goes some way to explain why a spot of eating disorder, in our house, was not considered unreasonable.

herbaceous Fri 22-Mar-13 14:37:04

OCQ <blush>. My legs have remained pretty much the same since I was one, it would seem.

I don't think I was allowed clothes from Tammy Girl. I think it was thought 'not naice'. And remember when Tesco was just horrible? More so than now, even?

Current fashions are taking me back to teen favourites - cords, jumpers with lurex in them, batwings... but I suppose that's more early 80s than 70s.

I spent the late 70s in hand-me-downs from our trendy North London family friends, as a house fire destroyed everything we owned. The clothes were, however, much nicer than those that got burned, so it wasn't all bad.

motherinferior Fri 22-Mar-13 14:51:02

I had a number of my mother's hand-me-down trousers, though I was a bit fat for them.

wilbur Fri 22-Mar-13 14:57:14

shock at your house fire herbs! That must have been awful!

BTM - not sure a puffed sleeved comeback would do me any favours now, but I do remember loving that blue top. And in school sewing I made myself a tiered skirt and matching waistcoat out of fabric that was floral print on a black background, a look I am still partial to today (the fabric rather than the skirt/waistcoat combo). Mum was a demon seamstress - she made a selection of boned-corset ball gowns when the 80s rolled around grin - and one of the things I greatly regret about the busyness of life these days is that I have very little time to sew - not that I am of my mum's standard, but I could make quite a number of things you see on sale for kids in Boden for £££. My machine is out at the moment, but only so I can attempt to piece back together the clothes that ds2 appears to shred every time he puts them on angry.

Might have to buy a copy of the Aubrey Beardsley poster.

Ruby - hope the tooth is feeling better.

Blackduck Fri 22-Mar-13 15:00:53

Chelsea Girl was the most desirable place when I was growing up (along with Clockhouse from C&A - someone mentioned that up thread) I recall buying footless tights which my mother absolutely loathed with a passion ....
I had a bamboo handbag (bloody uncomfortable and impracticable).

I did spend aged 10 in a pair of (boys) jeans and a jumper (hand me downs) - my mother disparied - I was the female child she wanted to dress in frilly flowery flocks....
I did covet the clothkits stuff though..... smile

hattymattie Fri 22-Mar-13 15:05:38

Ooh - I used to love Chelsea Girl. I would hate puffy sleeves to come back - I have big shoulders and so puffy sleeves make me look like an american footballer looking for a fight.

It has hit 13°C here in Paris with hazy sunshine - feels boiling compared to what we had just last week. I feel happy and am going to downgrade to lightweight jacket for the school run. smile.

herbaceous Fri 22-Mar-13 15:05:40

Oooh Clothkits - that was what the hand-me-down dresses were!

Yes indeed, the fire was awful. It was an old wooden house, and the summer of 76, so when the arsonist poured petrol all over the inside and lit a match, it went up like a tinder box. We were on holiday (in the Norfolk cottage) at the time, so didn't die, but a neighbour did try to break in to rescue us.

We lost absolutely everything: all photos, documents, books, clothes, furniture, and all the heirlooms my dad had just inherited from his mum, including things from the Royal Yacht Osbourne (my great grandad was its captain). The only room not to be incinerated was the larder, with a thick oak door, where even a box of cornflakes remained unscathed.

Stropperella Fri 22-Mar-13 15:12:43

Oh herbs, how dreadful that must have been.

wilbur Fri 22-Mar-13 15:17:25

Herbs - that is an extraordinary story, and an arsonist too! Gawd, how sad about the family heirlooms and photos sad. Did your parents rebuild the house? There was a thatched house, a big one, that burned down near where I grew up and we saw the fire when it had really taken hold - it went up so fast it was really scary and the fire brigade, after they'd made sure everyone was out, just had to stand around making sure it didn't spread, there was no way they could save the house. It took them years to rebuild It's one of the strongest memories of my childhood.

bigTillyMint Fri 22-Mar-13 15:17:53

Oh yes, BD, I remember now!

OQC, I was too fat for TammyGirlblush, having been a really cute baby and toddler, my DM started feeding me up. I think it was a ploy for me to only be able to fit into clothes that she made for me.

Herbsshock at the fire - how dreadful.

Stropperella Fri 22-Mar-13 15:18:36

Wilbur, lovely pic. smile

I remember having a fairly strange poncho made of some heavyweight carpet-like material. And then my nice aunt gave me an even stranger one that made me look like a Mexican bandit.

oldqueencrepey Fri 22-Mar-13 15:21:33

Herbs, the fire story is shocking. How awful. A random arsonist or a fire meant for your family? shock

herbaceous Fri 22-Mar-13 15:34:54

Well, we had just sold the land to a builder, who had built some houses on it (one of which for us, fortunately). In buying the land, he also bought the old house, which was pretty valueless. So when it burned down, it just so happened that he owned it, and got the insurance. My dad had his suspicions, but it's almost impossible to prove arson, as all evidence is destroyed.

I remember going into the burned out house, balancing along joists, and seeing all our furniture charred right through. M&D rescued what they could, but even metal had melted. I lost my dolls house, which I loved, and I remember my dad lovingly cleaning soot off the surviving tiny china cups. <weeps>

Cremolafoam Fri 22-Mar-13 16:34:19

And behold We Have Light.!
And heat and power !
It is Still snowing and I have been modelling my fleece dressing gown over my clothes all day! Three cheers for the poor engineers who had to go out in the blizzard . Three cheers for the postman who in a twist of cruel irony came out specially to deliver the electricity bill and winkshock A Fifty Plus catalogue. How did I get on that list FGS - I'm only 47.

Herbs that is quite a shocking story about your fire. How on earth did you all cope with having to start again with nothing? Just awful.

Loving the mention of clothkits
How wonderful they still exist

bigTillyMint Fri 22-Mar-13 16:41:29

Oh Herbssad

Cremo, I would have died in the cold - well done for surviving! Butgrin at the fiftyplus catalogue!

I had never heard of clothkits till I was on MN but the stuff is actually quite cool!

QueenQueenie Fri 22-Mar-13 16:43:03

OQC here crepesters. Fancied a Friday afternoon namechange. Thought OQC (can't remember now what made me change it to that) seems rather presumptious. Wanted just Queenie but that is taken hmm.

Look at these clothkits skirts, aren't they fab? I might even make one!

barbican skirt!

flowery monochrome to match my hair

herbaceous Fri 22-Mar-13 16:44:42

We were so lucky that we had a house to move into. It wasn't quite finished - didn't have carpets or cupboards, etc - but was fine. It was indeed sparsely furnished, however. The builder (<spit>) lent us a three-piece suite, and some beds, I think. The first thing my parents bought with the insurance money was a grand piano and a stereo. They were woefully underinsured, however, so we only got about a third of the value of what we lost.

They spent years and years reassembling a collection of silver, only for some utter bastard to break in and steal it all. I would have quite willingly murdered that arsecrust.

motherinferior Fri 22-Mar-13 16:48:19

Herbs sad shock

I yearned for clothkits, at the time.

Cremolafoam Fri 22-Mar-13 16:51:29

Qq the Rob Ryan one in baby cord is lush too.grin< likes new name>
Wilbur that photo is brilliant! Absolutely of its time.

The fifty plus catalogue has 3 tiered skirts a la summer 76. In a variety of lengths. grin

bigTillyMint Fri 22-Mar-13 16:58:41

Ooh yes, like both of those QQ, and that cord one Cremo and Alice skirt Maybe I'll get my sewing machine out...

CointreauVersial Fri 22-Mar-13 17:05:34

Hmph. Very envy of all your descriptions of tiered skirts, C&A, Clothkits etc...

DM made ALL my clothes, and she wasn't particularly in touch with preteen fashion. I had a huge wardrobe of dowdy hand-made dresses when all I really wanted was a pair of turquoise sparkly hot pants, like Penelope down the road. Or a cheesecloth shirt.

bigTillyMint Fri 22-Mar-13 17:08:46

CV, snap! Except your mum was something in fashion wasn't she? My mum was soooo totally out of touch with any fashion. And loved elasticated skirts. Not a good combination with a chubster!

wilbur Fri 22-Mar-13 17:30:36

I luuuurve cheesecloth - bought a cheesecloth shirt from Monsoon not that long ago and it's still going on hols with me, scrunched up but mysteriously unwrinkled.

And I forgot to add my fave strong fish/pasta recipe. Take anchovies (marinated is best, but salted fine too) or sardines or mackerel. Fry up with chilli, garlic, lemon, capers and breadcrumbs until you have pungent fishy mush. Boil pasta, add loads of kale for last 2 mins, drain and then toss fish mush through with more lemon juice. Can also use savoy cabbage or spinach, but kale is best. Scrummy, and so good on cold nights as you get a sort of fish-flavoured Ready Brek glow.

Maybe we should start a tiered skirt micro-trend. Since Crem already has the catalogue grin.

It's hailing now and dh will be cycling home from Kentish Town to Streatham soon. Poor bloke, his knackers are going to freeze.

Cremolafoam Fri 22-Mar-13 17:30:36

Dh just arrived home in the neighbour farmers tractor !!!
His car is in a pile of snow at the bottom of the hill( a mile away and undamaged)
He looks hilarious in his business suit on a Massey gringringrin

Cremolafoam Fri 22-Mar-13 17:33:24

AND he has fish & chips

My hero !grin

wilbur Fri 22-Mar-13 17:36:24

Yay for Crem's dh! smile Nothing like fish and chips on a freezing Friday. Add some wine and have a lovely evening.

motherinferior Fri 22-Mar-13 17:38:03

<worries for Mr Wilbur's knackers>

I have to take the Inferiorettes to the International Evening at school. There will be food. There will be beer. Sadly there will not be a performance from the World's Most Gorgeous Dad (a musician married to the World's Most Gorgeous Mum, a model - if they weren't both very lovely I would hate them with an embittered passion of envy) and will be a performance from the school Rock Band, featuring DD2 on, er, bass guitar. She can't play bass guitar. This does not augur well.

Beer. Food. Focus...

bigTillyMint Fri 22-Mar-13 17:39:18

Wilbur and my DH too - from Bethnal Green though!

Mmmmm fish and chips. And wine!

Stropperella Fri 22-Mar-13 17:39:30

I have never heard of Clothkits before. Nice choices, QQ.

Stropperella Fri 22-Mar-13 17:42:24

Crem, I like the pic of your dh in his suit on the tractor, bearing fish and chips. So glad to hear you have the power back on. Hope your dd gets back OK.

MI, sounds like a very interesting evening grin

CointreauVersial Fri 22-Mar-13 17:42:40

Fish & Chips on a tractor - the man has style. grin

BD, I'd forgotten you are practically a Brummie. Come onto my thread and suggest something for us to do!

bigTillyMint Fri 22-Mar-13 17:43:21

Should be fun, MI! Is it a primary school thing? <I am a bad mother because I am so pleased that the DC are now at a secondary with no PTA!>

CointreauVersial Fri 22-Mar-13 17:46:06

Yes, BTM, you are correct, DM is (or was) a bona fide fashion designer. But she didn't make the kind of clothes that a 10yo wanted to wear, that's for sure.
She has always been very scathing about the poor quality of most shop-bought stuff; even now she will usually customise or improve any clothing she buys.

rubyrubyruby Fri 22-Mar-13 19:06:42

Wow CV - I didn't realise we were amongst S&B royalty
Crem - tractor and fish znd chips sounds like a great start to the weekend.
Herbs - awful fire story sad

Thanks for all your concern about my teeth. I will update the long and boring story when I'm not on my phone.

rubyrubyruby Fri 22-Mar-13 19:08:44

Queenie - I crowned you OQC as you are the eldest grin


Blackduck Fri 22-Mar-13 20:19:08

CV only a Brummie by location, not birth...
Pen museum (jewellery quarter - apparently it is better than you'd think!)
All the things mentioned on thread. Botanical gardens - if weather is nice.
Ikon gallery.
Client hill - nice walk.

Have to said for a large city I have always found Birmingham sadly lacking on the cultural front - though does depend when you come.

Can offer food suggestions if you give me rough idea of likes/dislikes...

bigTillyMint Fri 22-Mar-13 20:27:23

GetOrf has been recommending the 99p baguettes on another thread, CVgrin

CointreauVersial Fri 22-Mar-13 21:21:16

Thanks BD. I know you aren't a Brummie by birth, but you probably know more about the place than I do.

DS has decided he quite fancies going to The Gadget Show at the NEC.hmm

By the way, Wilbur, did I read on another thread that you had an interesting night out this week? How did that come about?

Cremolafoam Fri 22-Mar-13 22:44:05

Oh we are back in the dark again.
Waiting for dds return from Berlin by candlelight. Still a blizzard outside : we're going to have to dig ourselves out , hike to the car to pick dd up from school at ETA 3am.shock
Can't even have wine

Ruby- did I imagine it that you are in Cambridge ? Just wondering as will be there in a couple of weeks.
Maybe I just dreamed that.....

CointreauVersial Fri 22-Mar-13 23:21:04

Nightmare, Crem.

Not so much as a flake in Surrey (but it's perishing cold).

Just been sniggering at the London Zones 2-3 thread. Herbs, you got stuck in there, didn't you?grin

QueenQueenie Fri 22-Mar-13 23:22:36

It's a warning crepeys. Stay on this thread. It's crazeeeeee out there I tells ya.

Cremolafoam Fri 22-Mar-13 23:32:36

Agree . I was looking at the 'all mumsnetters are miserable' one.
< runs away screaming>
I'm not miserable but my Dunkirk spirit is waning. It funny in the dark how time just goes on and on. Perhaps if I tripped the switch once a week I could get more shit done grin
( except cooking and ironing and internetting)obv

motherinferior Sat 23-Mar-13 08:05:31

I have just got into a ruck on a thread and am getting out.

I am now going to spend the morning reworking some work I sent off which I have been told is shite. It is shite. It is full of humiliating, elementary mistakes. I am so ashamed of myself and I want to cry.

Blackduck Sat 23-Mar-13 08:22:30

Cremo - hope you got dd okay this morning.
MI - sad hope you have a better day.
My night out didn't happen - didn't want to risk not getting home today - 5 inches of snow overnight and just started again... <sigh>
But we have booked five days in Kefalonia - okay wont be blistering hot, but hopefully warm and sunny!!

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 23-Mar-13 08:30:55

Hello Hags! Had a lovely day yesterday - it started in the pantry with the butler, drinking Champagne for his birthday, then went out to lunch with some old friends, drinks after work then off for a pizza with the DDs and the houseguests (who have amazingly bought me flowers, wine and paid for dinner last night, which is an absolute first).

On the style and beauty front, I have bought some Filorga anti age serum and some of their BB cream, as there was 20% off in Monoprix. I wanted some of their anti ageing moisturiser and their Sleep and Peel mask, but both had sold out. Will report back. Even with 20% off, was not cheap. M & S now stock it, if you are interested.

hattymattie Sat 23-Mar-13 08:44:10

I had a sample of Siseley lip and eye anti age cream - thought it was quite nice and seemed to actually work - so rushed off to Marionnaud to find out it cost - 106E shock. I think I'll just have to leave the eye bags.

Mrs S - you drank champagne with the ... butler - am I missing something here?

Love the fish and chips husband - sounds very heroic/romantic - although they must have needed a reheat. grin

motherinferior Sat 23-Mar-13 08:48:51

The mistakes are not as crappy as I thought. Careless sloppy work but not as shoddy as I feared.

When I worked on a glossy mag a while back my lovely beauty colleagues gave me the most divine moisturiser, which cost several hundred pounds, I think, a Guerlain one which made me radiant. Sadly, I have foresworn radiance for solvency grin

Chucking down in Sarfeast bloody Lunnon. Supposed to go to a party tonight. Suspect won't make it sad

motherinferior Sat 23-Mar-13 08:49:34

(It's not MrsS's butler, I think. It does sound....^racy^, in faintly Upstairs Downstairs way.)

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 23-Mar-13 08:57:36

Sadly not my butler, Hattie!

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 23-Mar-13 08:58:06

My employer's butler!

hattymattie Sat 23-Mar-13 09:03:43

grin - beginning to think I was much too common for this thread. Mind you - I don't think DH's employer has a butler. He does have a house with a pool though.

MI - yes even quaffing champagne with the bosses butler in the pantry sounds a bit Upstairs Downstairs. Mrs S - what an exciting life you do lead; wink.

Hope you get your work sorted MI.

hattymattie Sat 23-Mar-13 09:04:59

<boss's> - I think that's still probably wrong though.

Blackduck Sat 23-Mar-13 09:08:17

Wish I had started the day drinking champagne in the pantry with the butler sad
Dp has gone for provisions, it is chucking it down, I am hoping he makes it back shock

MrsS I am stunned the freeloaders friends paid? Tell me it wasn't mucky D's please...

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 23-Mar-13 09:11:42

The best thing I have ever tried for radiance and generally marvellously glowing skin is Guerlain Issima Midnight Secret. But it is beyond my price bracket.

Will report back on the Filorga stuff when I have put my lenses in. grin

herbaceous Sat 23-Mar-13 09:33:17

Hattie - boss's is correct. Unless there's more than one boss then it's bosses'. I think.

hattymattie Sat 23-Mar-13 09:45:44

thanks herbs smile - yup it's when the apostrophe's on the outside of the plural that I always have a second thought and wonder if it's correct.

CointreauVersial Sat 23-Mar-13 09:48:23

I spoke too soon on the snow front; we have a good few cms here, and still coming down. Not enough to cause any major inconvenience, but I need to take DD1 to a rehearsal shortly, and will have to forego the direct country lane route in favour of the "long way round".

MrsS - you won't recognise yourself. grin

bigTillyMint Sat 23-Mar-13 09:50:42

MI, we are off to a paaartay tonight too! Even if the snow starts sticking!

MrsS - champagne with the butler, ooh err missus! We met a very nice butler (and his family - 2 sets of twinsshock) when camping, 2 years on the trot!

Off out for breakfast with a friend in my new ultra-warm knitted dresssmile

rubyrubyruby Sat 23-Mar-13 09:57:04

Crem - hope DD got back ok and yes you are right about Cambridge. Let me know if I can help with any info smile

Butler grin DHs big boss bloke lives on a horse ranch near New York and has invited us to visit when we are over there <<excited>> I was keen until DH pointed out we may have to invite him back here! <<looks out at mud pile we call a garden>> Although I do like to call our 4 fruit trees 'the orchard' wink

Hope your day gets better MI

Blackduck Sat 23-Mar-13 10:07:11

Dp returned with provisions....has gone back out to dig the car out shock
I think I need to get my boots on and go and find him.....

motherinferior Sat 23-Mar-13 10:39:55

PMSL at the orchard.

Blackduck Sat 23-Mar-13 10:53:13

He's back - a neighbour helped him and during the digging they have swapped careers and life stories smile we have milk and a laaaaaarge emergancy loaf. I am making curries for tonight.
We had a heart stopping high gas bill yesterday (was only 10 days shy of four months however), but sodit, heating on, snow continues..

Cremolafoam Sat 23-Mar-13 11:33:32

News From The Apocalypse
We are still without power
Real drama here! We couldn't get to school because of snow drifts- completely snowed in. ( imagine us in blizzard trying to dig car out at 2.30am) another parent got Dd as far as fallen tree and dh skied ( yes skied) down to get her.( about 1 mile) No power here since last night. On and off all day yesterday. Freezing.
Awaiting rescue from snowplough grin

Bd - keep cosy

Mrs S- lol @ butler in the pantry

motherinferior Sat 23-Mar-13 11:45:07


Just saying.

Cremolafoam Sat 23-Mar-13 11:49:30

When you get the BBQ outgrin

bigTillyMint Sat 23-Mar-13 12:03:12

Cremoshockshockshock Can't believe your DH had to ski to get her! Lucky he had skis/can ski. How did they get back? It must be bloody awful - have you got a real fire or any methods of keeping warm?

No snow sticking here - just freezing sleet, thank God!

DS and his mates are still here - now taking their size 8+'s off to a mates for yet more gaming/TV as footy training was cancelledhmm

Blackduck Sat 23-Mar-13 12:11:19

Cremo shock. After your DHs antics yesterday (tractor, fish 'n' chips, skiing) I have images of the milk tray man smile (come on crepeys got to remeber that!)

Dp has gone off to the gym (on foot), ds watching back to back Horrible Histories, I am baking ginger cake...

Cremolafoam Sat 23-Mar-13 12:11:23

BTM they had to wade back. Dh brought an old plastic sleigh and threw dds case on to it. He has cross country Nordic skis. Was fast down the hill but dead slow upconfused
Poor dd was/ is absolutely exhausted

We have a coal fire and gas hob. We will survive!grin

Blackduck Sat 23-Mar-13 12:12:37

Well BBQ might be useful for keeping warm smile

motherinferior Sat 23-Mar-13 12:16:49

DP is cooking lunch while I grimly work my way through this stuff...and doodle on MN obvs.

bigTillyMint Sat 23-Mar-13 12:32:46

BD, I had a milk tray mansmile

One summer's night I awoke to find him climbing in through my bedroom window - he had shinned up the drainpipe to my open windowshock He was one of my housemates friends, and had forgotten a key (we always had extra's staying) and was very good looking with a sexy Dublin accentwink

Cremo, you are true troopers!

hattymattie Sat 23-Mar-13 12:50:37

Wow Crem - remind me where you are with that weather.

This reminds me of that theory that says when the Gulf Stream stops winters will be much colder and longer.

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 23-Mar-13 13:08:03

Crem's husband going to collect her DD

I have been to restaurant to collect bag of crap I left there last night - fortunately it was, ahem, a restaurant where I am quite well known blush "Ah madame, vous avez oublie votre sac encore une fois!" Which is unfair, I feel as it was my coat last time and not my bag.

I am reporting back on the Filorga anti ageing "absolute" serum and BB cream: having cleansed with the Bioderma Eau Micellaire (coming to UK next month, I believe, it is the holy grail of cleansers - I alternate between this and Cetaphil), applied the serum last night, I did the same this morning and plonked the BB cream on top. Definitely looking a bit smoother round the eyes, and I like the BB cream, although it was twice the price of the La Roche Posay one, which I also like. I hope I am not getting a Filorga habit, as it will be expensive to keep up.

Blackduck Sat 23-Mar-13 13:21:36

MrsS smile smile exactly!!

My ginger cake smells Devine, I may just slaver it in cream and scoff the lot.....

So crepeys anyone been to kefalonia?

Blackduck Sat 23-Mar-13 13:21:52

Divine fgs...

Cremolafoam Sat 23-Mar-13 13:23:18

grin Mrs S. dh is vair flattered .
Unfortunately I am in the doghouse as
A I let the wind catch the car door and it is dented
B overloaded the fire with logs and it has tumbled and burnt two holes in the rug.
I am a bit teary< stress> and dh hates that sort of thing.
I fear my courage against the elements is waning confused

Cremolafoam Sat 23-Mar-13 13:26:37

Yes have been to Kefalonia. But an awful long time ago. I was there for my 18th birthday on an Interrailing trip. So not helpful really. It is beautiful as I recall. Slept on a starlit beach< sighs romantically >

Stropperella Sat 23-Mar-13 13:27:46

Aww, Crem, you are so lucky to have a Milk Tray Man husband. grin

We have no snow at all, not even one flake. Just rain, rain and more rain.

I only found out this morning when listening to the radio what actual "Cremola foam" is/was.

motherinferior Sat 23-Mar-13 13:29:45

I am on to the one really crap piece of work I did. Which is principally crap because it is a summary of a study which is totally impenetrable. I cannot understand a word of it.

Stropperella Sat 23-Mar-13 13:29:59

Soz, x-posts Crem. Hope your power is back on soon and your spirits are restored. Time for a calming wine?

Cremolafoam Sat 23-Mar-13 13:30:59

Hattie we are here

Stropperella Sat 23-Mar-13 13:32:36

Ahh, MI, poor you. Dh is working on a job a bit like that at the moment. It is driving him a bit mad.

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 23-Mar-13 13:42:43

Ugh, sympathies, MI.

Cremolafoam Sat 23-Mar-13 13:54:30

MI courage! I'm sure it's not half as bad as you think.
Stropps- Creamolafoam making a small come back

CointreauVersial Sat 23-Mar-13 14:24:43

I had planned to do a salad for lunch, but thought, sod that, and made eggy bread with bacon and maple syrup. You can't have too many carbs in this miserable weather.

Gwynnie, you can stick that up your well-toned jacksy. wink

motherinferior Sat 23-Mar-13 14:47:18

I've sent my revised text off.

Thing is I'm now so used to working at weekends I'm at a bit of a loose end grin I should do some singing practice now...

bigTillyMint Sat 23-Mar-13 15:09:18

CVshock I thought you were a nocarb-locarb afficionado?!

MI, you need a coffee and cake meetup planned for the weekendwink

Hattie, will the Gulf Stream just stop? Why?

hattymattie Sat 23-Mar-13 15:20:29

Goodness Crem - I'd better contact my friend over there and see how she is. Am very jealous of Milk Tray man though. He must be due for a comeback.

BTM - I watched a programme on Gulf Stream years ago and as far as I can remember it was something to do with the Greenland ice cap melting and disturbing the ocean currents. So it was related to global warming except I do remember them saying that London is the same latitude as Montréal but didn't have the same climate because of the Gulf Stream. I think the film 24 Hours after was an extreme (I hope very fictionalised) version of this theory.

wilbur Sat 23-Mar-13 16:23:23

Am sitting trying to wrestling with new accounting software after old one died, taking year of data with it angry. Have got Cliff Richard movie on in background (he is just singing The Young Ones to his girl smile). Brain not working - totally fed up trying to stretch £ to cover bills totalling £££. I am usually good at this stuff, but extended winter and gas bills for uninsulated house are playing havoc with budgeting. Growing ds1 and his giant feet not helping either. Still have just found 5th former at his school who will hand down old uniform, so that's very handy. Just need to find similar for dd - she used to get lovely stuff from her cousin, but since my sister stopped speaking to me the hand-me-downs stopped too. Think I miss the clothes more than I miss my sister, tbh grin. Not my niece though, who I miss enormously.

MI - hope you get work done in the end - I have minutes of a v dull charitable trust meeting to finish writing up but am going to leave until tomorrow. [procrastination emoticon]

Crem - so sorry it's all getting a bit much, think you have been amazingly stoic so far. Glad you got dd home eventually. Sending you all a virtual thermos of delicious soup.

Interested in MrsS's beauty product trials - I bought some new (French) night cream in USA which is marvellous, but too costly for long term use, and also I think I need something brightening as I am looking very grey with ghosts of blemishes all over. Chin is especially grubby. Maybe I need a hefty facial and a better cleansing routine. Either that or someone to have a go at my face with an orbital sander.

rubyrubyruby Sat 23-Mar-13 16:36:17

We had a family trip into the city in the snow. Tried to get DS2's phone repaired as a bit dropped off it. The DTs sneaked off to buy us an anniversary present but I'm not supposed to know this.

We looked at table cloths - anyone know where tobuy nice quality table linen? and sat on some sofas in John Lewis.

Drive past a house that's for sale on our way back which we may view.

Sorry stuffs getting to you Cremola.

rubyrubyruby Sat 23-Mar-13 16:39:04

DH has just announce he's going on his turbo trainer in the garage. He's cycling 100 miles in a few weeks so this may be a good idea!

CointreauVersial Sat 23-Mar-13 17:17:20

I am usually a low-carber, BTM, but every now and then I succumb to the lure of an almond croissant and fall off the wagon. It's usually at the weekend.

DH and I have just had a stressful 30 minutes wrestling with a can of expanding foam, as you do (we finally got round to tackling the gaping gap above the kitchen window left after the recent addition of lintels). Not as easy as it looks, but we survived with our marriage intact. Once the foam goes hard we will cut off the excess (of which there is a large quantity, hanging in giant green gobs from the top of the window frame), then fill, sand and paint. That's the theory, anyway. hmm

rubyrubyruby Sat 23-Mar-13 17:31:06

.... I'm on my 3rd hot cross bun today blush

Cremolafoam Sat 23-Mar-13 17:32:55

Oh Rubes I'm ok. Trying not to feel wibbly .Still no heating or light. Dh is trying to get his petrol generator going with our neighbour. Wind picking up and electric cable is sparking. May have to call the fire brigade if they can even get here.
Not really funny any more.

Dd has finally woken up, looked out and said 'meh' eaten a bagel and gone back to bed with a pile of history books about the Cold War . Very apt I'm thinking.
Fighting my own cold bloody war.

Have made a giant pot of spaghetti Bol . Have had to dump freezer contents as it has now been off for 21 hours and all has melted.bleurghconfused

Yes ruby we are going to Cambridge at the start of April with dd. arriving by train from Stansted . Could you suggest somewhere naice for an early lunch in town ?
We are heading to Kings coll afterward.

bigTillyMint Sat 23-Mar-13 17:41:56

Oh Cremo, it goes from bad to worse. {{{{hugs}}}}

I have had a haircut, after which there was enough hair on the floor to make a decent wig. I still have a full head of extremely thick hairconfused

motherinferior Sat 23-Mar-13 18:08:34

Crem, how utterly grim. If I were you I too would get into bed with a hot water bottle and a bottle of warming red wine.

BTM, I too am off to partaaay. That's the theory anyway!

CointreauVersial Sat 23-Mar-13 23:31:09

Aww, Crem, sounds grim. Hope things are better tomorrow.

We've had quite a convivial evening. DS's oldest mate (the one whose family we go on holiday with regularly) is here for a sleepover, and the boys uncharacteristically switched off the XBox and joined us around the table for card games and a very riotous round of The Game of Life. I do love it when DS forgets he is a hulking, grunting teenager and lets his hair down for a while. He's quite lovely when he tries to be.

Now watching Rewind 2012 on Sky, and trying to spot ourselves in the crowd. That was a fun concert, but Christ, I had never been so hot; top-to-toe neon lycra is never a good idea in blistering August sunshine. Doctor And The Medics are on at the moment; the lead singer (and half of Cool & The Gang) turned up in our hotel bar later on.

Blackduck Sun 24-Mar-13 07:42:42

Pub quiz here - team of two against teams of five shock we were winning at half way stage then I had to take ds home......dp came fourth on his own smile (and we'd badly played our joker...) next time...

Hope things are sorted Cremo.

rubyrubyruby Sun 24-Mar-13 10:24:22

Sounds like everyone had good evenings except Crem maybe

We went to the drama production. Excellent except for the chairs!! I Weill take a cushion next time

Cremolafoam Sun 24-Mar-13 11:45:36

We have power! Charging phone now - back in a whilegrin

motherinferior Sun 24-Mar-13 12:07:50

I went to a very nice party and we are going to friends for lunch which will involve meat grin and gratifyingly I do not have a hangover (three glasses of wine, get me living on the edge!)

bigTillyMint Sun 24-Mar-13 13:03:16

Great news Crem!

Me neither MI - I had a few G&T's early and then went onto diet coke/tonic onlysmile

Now trying to pack for our hols before going for a curry for DS's birthday (with DD's boyfriend too!)

Cremolafoam Sun 24-Mar-13 13:16:12

Ooh BTM who is the boyfriend ?
<pulls up chair>

Blackduck Sun 24-Mar-13 13:35:19

Where you off on hols BTM?

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 24-Mar-13 14:23:25

I have been to the market. We had bread, cheese and rillettes for lunch and drank all of the wine I bought to go with dinner tonight. blush The rendang is marinading nicely and will go in the slow cooker in the next hour. House guests have furminated both cats and the bin is now half full with fur. shock

Got two bottles of Bioderma cleanser on offer. East Street market won't be able to compare to this when I get back (although will, I suspect, be considerably cheaper).

bigTillyMint Sun 24-Mar-13 14:45:00

Cremo, boy from her tutor group who she used to moan about in Y7! He seems lovely - very polite, very tall and good-looking - I can see the attactionwink

We are off to Thailandsmile

East Street market is fab, MrsS - always call in for some dodgy bargains when I am passing!

Cremolafoam Sun 24-Mar-13 15:16:03

Oh BTm have a fabulous trip- how exciting ! Like the sound of your dds squeeze!
Mrs S sounds like your weekend with visitors has been more tolerable than expected !grin

We are out digging my car out of snow. At the very least there is heat to get back to inside. I grew up in house without heat except open fires in the living room and an aga in the kitchen. I have become soft I think - complete inability to suffer total lack of mod cons for all of two days.grinblush

Blackduck Sun 24-Mar-13 15:16:28

Oh can I come?! Makes my 5 days in Kefalonia seem rather pathetic......
(We are, for some reason, tres broke...)

bigTillyMint Sun 24-Mar-13 15:22:41

BD, Kefalonia will be fab - I had some great holidays in Greece in my previous lifesmile

Cremo, I don't know how you could possibly have managed without heat for 2 whole days. I HATE being cold!

rubyrubyruby Sun 24-Mar-13 15:37:37

Happy Hols BD and BTM smile how lovely sun will be after this snow.

I've been consoling myself by virtual holiday wardrobe shopping and looking at sandals! I must be feeling better - I may paint my nails.

bigTillyMint Sun 24-Mar-13 15:38:53

So come on ruby, what's the story about your toof?

Stropperella Sun 24-Mar-13 18:00:22

BD and BTM - have a great time on your hols. Ahhhh sun <wistful> smile

MrsS, so glad to hear your visitors are behaving themselves.

I just watched ds playing the piano in a concert. I was v. nervous and twitchy (I tend to delegate these things to dh as I actively dislike them so much), but ds was not in the least bit nervous and did really well. I had a - rather unaccustomed - proud mummy moment.

Yes, Ruby, do tell about your tooth.

Crem, thinking of you every time I hear the weather forecast at the moment.

rubyrubyruby Sun 24-Mar-13 19:25:53

Are you sitting comfortably?
...... then I will begin.

Tooth pain started about a month ago so visited the dentist who tapped at them and took x-rays which showed that I have a wisdom tooth that needs removing so an emergency hospital appointment was made. Dentist was suspicious another tooth was also giving me trouble so I was prescribed antibiotics just in case. Pain got worse so I went back to see specialist dentist who said wisdom tooth needs to come out and prescribed another different antibiotic. Dentist removed the nerve fom another tooth he thought was causing me trouble too.
Pain got worse so I went to dr in tears and was prescribed heavy duty nerve suppressants and anti-inflammatory drugs. 22 pills a day!
Emergency appointment came through for 6 weeks after my initial dentist visit hmm this was for a consultation only - nothing would actually happen.
Pain became even worse so I went back to dentist who admitted he had treated wrong tooth and was reluctant to do anymore until I had been to hospital. I called Drs as pain was unbearable and my medication was significantly increased. Both dr and dentist tried to get hospital appointment brought forward but couldn't. I demanded dentist give me xrays for 2nd opinion and called a private surgeon who couldn't see me until after NHS hospital appointment.
We sent x-rays to a close friend who's a dentist and he phoned immediately with diagnosis. He said that when the tooth finally dies the pain will go - it now has. smile He is going to root canal the tooth that was wrongly treated and the tooth that's died and remove the wisdom tooth for me (he can sedate unlike my dentist)

So! I am off to North Yorkshire on weds to have the whole lot sorted if the snow let's me.

Meanwhile I have temporarily come off all medication over the weekend and sat and drank the best part of a bottle of wine today knowing that I will be back on heavy duty drugs and a new course of antibiotics tomorrow and liquids all over Easter <<sob>>

Blackduck Sun 24-Mar-13 19:48:58

Wow Ruby that is some story. ... Just think on the bright side - weight loss over Easter. smile
Reminds me of being in Thailand with dp who had raging tooth ache and refused to go to a dentist. On coming home it turned out that a capped tooth still had a live nerve in it (dentist cock up), but because it was over three months since the treatment his choices were:
A. Drill through cap to have nerve removed.
B. remove cap, have it done and cap replaced (mega bucks)
C. Take the chance it didn't recur..

Went for C. And it didn't....but he was popping horse pills for some time...

bigTillyMint Sun 24-Mar-13 20:30:42

Oh rubyshock Fingers tightly crossed that the drugs and your dentist friend who can sort it out work! What a complete mare {{{{}}}}

BD, your story is not filling me with confidence. I have truly crap teeth. As my lovely little pupils point out on a regular basis - they are nothing if not truthful!

Well, I've met the boyfriend's mum too now as she came by to pick him up. She is very nice toosmile Wonder how long it'll last!

Cremolafoam Sun 24-Mar-13 22:12:05

JC on a bike Rubyhmm that's absolutely grim. Please make this stupid weather go away so you can get to your treatment. HOW did the dentist treat THE WRONG TOOTH. He had X-rays FGS !!
I am horrified by your story, especially having suffered raw root and nerve pain myself( shattered the lot in a car crash once) I hope the drugs you get are spectacular .
Blimey hope you've had the rest if the wine toogrinwinethanks
BTM hope the relationship survives he sounds nice.

Dd and I have been at loggerheads today. She's been snappish and surly and thankless and her room is a sty.
I have lost it once blush
Back from Berlin with an attitood. Too much swagger for my taste and all grumpy because of sleep deprivation. RAaaaaaaagj!
And the powers orf again which is trying my patience.

rubyrubyruby Sun 24-Mar-13 22:25:48

Thanks all.

Crem - your visit. Are you after a full meal or light lunch and what sort of food do you like? I'm glad you're getting the train because I was going to advise against parking in the city.

Cremolafoam Sun 24-Mar-13 22:36:41

I suppose soup and a sandwich / , nothing to substantial type thing with good coffee Will be walking from station to Kings.thanks Rubysmile

addle Mon 25-Mar-13 08:45:02

lurker dropping in to see if any other crepeys heard the item on cremola foam on (crepey) saturday live? and also to give belated mention to 70s specialities - shopbought sponge ?flan case containing jelly with mandarin or apricot bits (possibly served with tinned cream) and casseroles made with tinned soup and tuna and/or corned beef ...

Blackduck Mon 25-Mar-13 08:50:56

oh god yes although that one is a bit posher than I recall (kiwi fruit didn't exist in the 70s.
Corned beef hash, corn beef or spam fritters smile

Crem - hope the power is back, you really have had one hell of a weekend.

bigTillyMint Mon 25-Mar-13 10:56:58

OMG yes to the flan - we learnt how to do this in cookery!

I hated corned beef hash <bleurgh>

It is freeeeezzzinnnggg at work againangry

rubyrubyruby Mon 25-Mar-13 11:08:51

My mum still makes those flans. With a glacé cherry in the middle smile

CointreauVersial Mon 25-Mar-13 13:00:22

I am sooo sick of this weather (and envy of those of you jetting off to warmer places). I have given up hope of ever wearing my spring wardrobe.

Don't mention corned beef. DM used to serve a creation called Hot Salad, which was just as bad as the name suggests. Principal ingredients included corned beef, chicory and cooked celery. <shudder> The melted cheese topping was the only edible bit.

Stropperella Mon 25-Mar-13 13:21:24

CV, that's just a crime against gastronomy, that is.

hattymattie Mon 25-Mar-13 14:08:01

Gosh the tooth story isn't filling me with confidence for my dental check up next week. I can't believe you had to wait 6 weeks for an emergency appointment! I'm sure all my teeth are crumbling.

I just saw poor sheep being dug out of the snow on TV.

Meanwhile I'm having my trees topped and have had an entertaining morning watching two rather nice young men swinging through my trees in harnesses. smile

Cremolafoam Mon 25-Mar-13 19:52:40

Cv that's sounds gross - sorry. Don't get me wrong I'm partial to a bit of corned beef . But warm salad just sounds gak.

talking of gak I have a boil. < squeals >
Assuming it is the stress of the last few days. All this keeping warm lark is exhausting.I'm shattered.
So much for style and beauty. What oh crepeys is the received wisdom on these malformations. Steam? Poultice ? Some other kind of woo?

Btw thanks for all the words of support this weekend. It has been wonderful. Thank you ever so.thanks

Cremolafoam Mon 25-Mar-13 19:54:56

Waves at Addle and her flan!
Oh my yes. Sweet cream and canned mandarin oranges beautifully arranged.
HM very interested in your pollarding.

bigTillyMint Mon 25-Mar-13 20:24:48

Oh, hi Addle!grin
How's your DS doing?

CointreauVersial Mon 25-Mar-13 22:50:21

A boil??

Aren't you supposed to sound a klaxon and post pictures of it on your profile?

(bunch of weirdos on MN grin ).

Cremolafoam Mon 25-Mar-13 23:27:41

<Weak klaxon>
hmm sorry

hattymattie Tue 26-Mar-13 08:04:41

waah - it's gone cold again. I'm back in my snuggly jumper, which I have washed and worn constantly for about 3 months now. Next year I must try and have at least two favourite jumpers if the climate is going to continue like this.

Hope your boil has gone down Crem (and that you snow is starting to melt).

bigTillyMint Tue 26-Mar-13 08:13:22

Hattie, I have a whole chest of drawers of snuggly woolly jumpersgrin

No boil pictures, please!

CointreauVersial Tue 26-Mar-13 13:20:48

Uniqlo HeatTech tops are on constant rotation here (I should buy shares in Uniqlo).

Cremolafoam Tue 26-Mar-13 14:03:18

Oh no forget the boil- do I have to get myself deleted?confused

QueenQueenie Tue 26-Mar-13 18:09:52

Nah, Crem, no need to delete yourself... just don't go shouting about that boil or all the pus groupies will appear and start begging you to upload a picture of the offending protuberance at 4 hourly intervals hmm shock

Stropperella Tue 26-Mar-13 18:35:12

The phrase "need to get out more" springs to mind, somehow grin

Cremolafoam Tue 26-Mar-13 19:51:56

Lets change the subject. grin

Mrs S have your visitors departed?
Wonder how the holidays are going. What I would give to be on Ko samui right now.Anyone else got travel plans?< hopeful>

bigTillyMint Tue 26-Mar-13 19:57:13

two more sleepssmile

QueenQueenie Tue 26-Mar-13 20:00:47

Err, would a trip to exotic Suffolk float your boat? That's what we're doing. That's what we always do
It'll be luverly but not exactly warm... Don't think I'll pack my cossie, just my thermals. The dog will be in 7th heaven, me and dh will be v pleased, dss will be pleased.

Cremolafoam Tue 26-Mar-13 20:05:26

Oh BTM how exciting! You all packed?. What will the weather be like?

My excitement is all about my new curtains! They are gorge . My lovely incredibly talented mum ran them up. They are patchwork loveliness .grin Wilbur you would approve!

Cremolafoam Tue 26-Mar-13 20:08:09

Suffolk sounds good too QQgrin
I think getting away to anywhere would float my boat tbh. Except skiing. Had enough snow this yearangry

bigTillyMint Tue 26-Mar-13 20:47:55

More or less packed! Should be in the 30'ssmile I will keep you updated as I am sure I will still be posting on my phone - free wifi in the first hotel and I'm sure most other places too!

Crem, proper patchwork? My DM is into patchwork too, but usually duvet covers and the like.

Cremolafoam Tue 26-Mar-13 21:59:41

Well they are as twee as fook.
But I love that kind of thing. Sage green gingham cotton duck with a floral border. Bits of cath k roses.
In my defence the rest of the room is plain. Dh is a bit meh
Please don't banish me to a cupcake bunting threadgrin

QueenQueenie Tue 26-Mar-13 22:10:10

Not with your <whispers> boil, Crem. Boils and bunting don't mix... you wouldn't be allowed in.

Cremolafoam Tue 26-Mar-13 22:35:36

I feel personally responsible for lowering the tone on this threadblush

beachyhead Tue 26-Mar-13 22:44:26

Oh, when is it going to warm up. This time last year, I went to the local lambing in shorts and a T shirt..... Yes, I know BTM will be in 30 degrees!

On hols next week, hurrah, left work today with complete chaos, as childcare had broken down and children seemed scattered to the wind... still all gathered home now, apart from dd2, who is on a residential and is back tomorrow... She's 7, I can't imagine how it's been!

I sent her off with snow boots, with lots of screams of 'it doesn't say snow boots, it says wellies!'... By the time we got to shorts and sun cream, I drew the line 'It's not going to happen, it's -2 outside!'

Anyway, the cast on the broken thumb on ds comes off on Thursday as does the dreaded root canal.... Can we have joint dental prayers for Ruby and I on Thursday, please? I am sh***ing myself.....

rubyrubyruby Tue 26-Mar-13 22:53:09

<<joins hands with beachy>>

....... mine is tomorrow

QueenQueenie Tue 26-Mar-13 23:10:51

Good luck at the dentists you two. Take painkillers before hand (and some rescue remedy if you're that way inclined) and make them out that numbing gel on your gum before they inject you... the treatment has got to be better than toothache!

Cremolafoam Tue 26-Mar-13 23:38:42

Good luck Beachy and Rubythanks

Blackduck Wed 27-Mar-13 06:19:47

Good luck Beachy and Ruby...
I am not off on hols for two weeks yet - we could be basking in a heat wave here by then (optimistic)
Cremo hope you know what clears up soon...

hattymattie Wed 27-Mar-13 06:46:42

I'm going to the dentists on Thursday too - is it Crepey dentist day or something. I'm only having a check-up (at least I hope I am) hmm.

Had book club last night - it is getting ruined by somebody who is doing a distance learning English Literature course. We're having to get vaguely intellectual, instead of drinking wine, having brief discusion about the book and then general chatter angry. It's starting to remind me of school, when it was so much fun before.

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 27-Mar-13 07:19:20

Dentist for me on Thursday too, to have my crown fitted!

Blackduck Wed 27-Mar-13 07:32:49

I need to book an appointment....

Cremolafoam Wed 27-Mar-13 07:43:10

Wow! International Crepey Dentist Daygrin!
HM that happened at our singing group hattie. I was only there for the chitchat and wine and we ended up learning actual words and harmonies and doing a performance. shock
Was fun while we were improvising in a drunken way to the South African national anthem.grin

hattymattie Wed 27-Mar-13 07:55:56

Just seen I mistyped <discussion> grr - maybe I shouldn't be in a book group at all.

crem - I don't think I'm even capable of learning song words these days - especially under the influence of wine! I don't think intellectualism and wine mix very well. Mind you I have problems at the best of times grin

bigTillyMint Wed 27-Mar-13 08:09:49

I am not going to the dentist on Thursdaysmile (though I have booked an appointment for when we get back!)

Hattie, that's what puts me off book groups. And my general inability to read unless I am on holiday - I do my annual quota of about 20 books in the 2 x 2week hot holidays we have! Hope my Kindle doesn't break down next week!

herbaceous Wed 27-Mar-13 09:02:36

I am not going the dentist, even though I should. <rebel>

I also have an 'overly serious' new person problem. The committee of which I was chair last year, and a member the year before, has a new person who has been to a grand total of TWO meetings but keeps throwing her weight around in a slightly self-important manner. I found it so hard to not do 'cats bum face' I kept needing to invent reasons to rummage in my bag, or write something down while she was pontificating.

However, she is taking the lion's share of the organisational load of our huge fundraising fair, so can't be all bad.

Choir has always been pleasingly serious, so that's OK. The conductor is even sometimes a little firm with us. <fans self with Handel score>

motherinferior Wed 27-Mar-13 09:25:33

I am singing in a Proper Concert tonight <preens> mind you something will go horribly wrong, it always does.

Am overdue a dental checkup.

Have done v little about hols bar book one day of childcare (aka day with friends) and got them on music course which will be free and local and as I will be based at home it doesn't matter that it's school hours only. Job I went for still havering. Sigh.

rubyrubyruby Wed 27-Mar-13 09:29:24

DH has been exchanging texts with friend this morning.
He is laughing hysterically and just said 'he's a fucking nutcase'

This is the friend who's performing surgery on me later today [not exactly filled with confidence emoticon] hmm

Happy Hols to those going away - my time will come.

herbaceous Wed 27-Mar-13 09:36:36

We've booked a hol with the inlaws. Crikey. A week in a lovely Devon cottage, with swimming pool, near beach and pub. Not too much can go wrong, I'd have thought.

Spent a few hours with friend yesterday at soft play <weep>, and now realised I didn't have a good word to say about anyone. Must try harder to be Nice.

hattymattie Wed 27-Mar-13 09:46:14

I wish I could sing - I think being in a choir must be brilliant - only posh stuff though not rehashed pop songs (musical snob me).

Good luck at dentist Ruby.

herb - I moan about everyone at home and then have to brief DC's and DP not to repeat anything I say outside home for fear of becoming social pariah. wink

Blackduck Wed 27-Mar-13 09:51:18

Hatty I am in a choir, I can't sing, don't let it stop you smile
We are (still) ploughing through Moon River.....

Good luck Ruby - sure the dentist is very professional when it comes to teeth smile

Herbs - holiday with the in-laws? You're brave! (I have done that twice and that was two times too many...)

herbaceous Wed 27-Mar-13 09:56:28

It was ma-in-law's idea. We already have ground rules: 1 We are free to do things alone during the day, rather than travel in a pack. 2. We can eat separately, if required. This is important, as their culinary tastes are <ahem> different to mine.

I still think DP will be sectionable by the end of the week, however. I plan to sit by the pool with ear plugs in, reading a book.

Re social pariah, my mother can be disarmingly frank. I must try to not reach her heights. For example, a conversation about the baby picture she sent me.

Me: 'Crikey. I wasn't a looker, was I.'
Her: 'No, your sister was the good looking baby. Not sure she's kept her looks though. And <brother>, he was definitely the ugliest.'

Skillfully managing to insult all three of her children in one sentence. I don't think I've ever heard her say something nice about me as a child. <books therapist>

herbaceous Wed 27-Mar-13 10:00:22

Hatty - you could join our choir. We only do 'proper'. Except the summer concert, where such items as Moon River are allowed.

Our last concert was Handel's Judas Maccabaeus, with proper baroque orchestra with old instruments, and everything. And soloists who sing in famous stuff. I – as one of 10 second sopranos – can take complete credit for the success of the event.

hattymattie Wed 27-Mar-13 10:11:32

Herbs grin - your mother sounds like my MIL - I must observe and try not to become like her - maybe bluntness just sneaks up with old age.

Your concert sounds lovely. I'd love to join a choir - but alas when I sing - my children all tell me to shut-up (Not that they can sing any better).

bigTillyMint Wed 27-Mar-13 10:23:02

Fingers crossed MI!

Herbs, you are very mad brave to holiday with in-laws. Not something I would ever dosmile

Hattie, same. Though DD has a lovely voice!

Stropperella Wed 27-Mar-13 12:10:37

Good luck to all crepeys enduring unpleasant dental processes this week.

Ds had his nose cauterised this morning. He was very stoic about it. I hope it sorts out his nosebleed problem as this has been rather interfering with his life lately. He's been fetched out of the swimming pool by the lifeguard twice during lessons in the past 3 weeks and the TAs in his class always take the most enormous box of tissues with them every time they go on a trip, just for ds. He had a 50-minute humdinger last Thurs which caused him to miss his tae kwando lesson and left him looking really pale and weedy.

Having had no work in at the beginning of the week, we have now had to turn down several jobs and are booked out for the next month, plus my other job is trying to load me up with hours and give me extra stuff to do and I'm having to turn them down as well. You can bet, however, that by July I will be moaning about empty order books again. Feast or famine. C'est la vie.

The wisdom (ha!) of old age has caused my mother to become less blunt in many - although not all - situations. But you can occasionally see the veins bulging as she struggles to either find a more diplomatic approach or to say nothing. I am also trying to adopt the "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" approach. Although I am concerned that this will just result in me doing more lurking in corners and glowering a lot. grin

motherinferior Wed 27-Mar-13 12:22:42

Ah. I was just wondering what had happened to my period....


CointreauVersial Wed 27-Mar-13 12:59:08

Bad luck, MI. I thought mine had come last week, after a five-month absence, but it was the faintest smudge, then gone the next day. Does that even count?

Holidays with inlaws - well, I've done it once, a pre-DC week in Ibiza. It was OK because DH and I mostly did our own thing. MIL never speaks unless she's spoken to, and didn't want to stray from the appartment, and FIL hit the sauce on Day 3 and was confined to bed for two days sleeping it off. The main issue was MIL's extreme fussiness with food, which meant scrutinising every menu to check if they sold plain chicken, rice, or other such recognisable things (and if the establishment was English, with "pub" written on the sign, then all the better hmm).

DH, bless him, has been on holiday with my Dad's side of the family five times, and with my Mum's twice, in fact he never fails to point out that he even took his ILs on his honeymoon (we had a few days alone, then joined my parents and the DCs on Corsica for a week). But he's an easy-going chap.

Strops - big sympathies to your DH. I had my nose cauterised when I was 12, and it was the single most painful experience of my life (until I gave birth). It hurt for weeks, but it did at least stop the horrendous nosebleeds.

No dentist on the horizon here, but I'm thinking I must book a hygienist appointment, as my front teeth are getting stained by all the red wine tea I drink. I bought a little tool off eBay to scour away the marks, but I'm not convinced it isn't filing away my teeth at the same time. Ah well.....

motherinferior Wed 27-Mar-13 14:29:55

I've not got the job I went for.



motherinferior Wed 27-Mar-13 14:37:00

I've not got the job I went for.



motherinferior Wed 27-Mar-13 14:37:12


Blackduck Wed 27-Mar-13 14:55:50

Oh MI sad
Was this the job hare one?

motherinferior Wed 27-Mar-13 15:27:44


Feel gloomy and selfpitying.

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 27-Mar-13 17:39:21

The bastards, MI.

<proffers wine>

hattymattie Wed 27-Mar-13 18:43:44

MI sad and another wine.

bigTillyMint Wed 27-Mar-13 19:02:45

MI wine and flowers

Stropperella Wed 27-Mar-13 19:38:54

MI - bummer. Sorry to hear that. More wine?

Excerpt from ds's (very enthusiastically tackled) homework on the Trojan Horse: "There was dead bodies all over the place". Ah. The Classics. Nothing like 'em, eh?

hattymattie Wed 27-Mar-13 19:58:06

I reckon MI's nearly had a bottle by now.

Stropps - you've reminded me that my DD wrote this weekend that "Mr Rochester was wrong from a feminist perspective because he locked his wife up in the attic. Nowdays she would just be locked up in a mental institution" hmm .

My favourite of the year so far though was when DS asked if the Pope was speaking elvish grin. I don't think he's heard Latin before.

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 27-Mar-13 20:14:24

I did a very odd training course today. It was all about discovering your strengths and playing to them. One of the "strengths" on the list was "woo." hmm

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 27-Mar-13 20:18:16

I was telling my mother about a friend of mine who has terminal cancer. She lives in the middle of nowhere, is wheelchair bound and can't get out, except at weekends with her DH, who has a long commute and doesn't get home till late during the week. The only person she sees during the day is an 80 year old neighbour. I think this is pretty hideous by anyone's standards, especially if you're only 49. My mother's response? "I haven't seen anyone since the weekend, either."

Cremolafoam Wed 27-Mar-13 20:26:47

Evening hags. Mrs S I think one of my strengths is definitely woo.grin
Or should I say 'great toleration of woo'
Re the plain speaking and get letting less tolerant as you get older. I think it's true , but I am nowhere near my mothers league just yet. My job is about being tolerant helpful giving and accommodating all day . I used to go home full of brimstone after 8 hours under attack. Now dh gives me 10-20 minutes to rant about my lovely customers and their unreasonable levels of expectation and then I have to shut up about it.
Works for megrin well that and very fast lengths of the pool after which I am a hollow husk.

Very sorry to hear about the job MI.

Hope ds recovers well Stropps. He sounds like he was very brave. I had my septum realigned at 16 and it was deeply unpleasant .

Re holidaying with IL I would rather have root canal frankly.

MrsSchadenfreude Wed 27-Mar-13 20:55:34

I think I am due on. I need chocolate and am shouty. Someone (I think one of the houseguests) bought Matzos, and I roared "Is this a fucking joke? They're not even kosher for passover." (Why they would need to be in this house, I had no idea, but they had the blue label and not the red and my mother always bought the red label for Passover Easter, even though we're not Jewish...)

Cremolafoam Wed 27-Mar-13 21:03:13

Rofl mrs s . Always with the red matzos . Sheesh

bigTillyMint Wed 27-Mar-13 21:17:48

Am loving the homeworksgrin

And having just watched a programme about Jewish weddings, I can feel your pain, MrsS!

Am feeling pretty pleased with myself at work as 2 mums were singing my team's praises yesterday (to the managementwink) and 2 more lovelies are successfully re-integrating<proud moment>smile
However, I also had the misfortune to meet one of the least accommodating teachers that I have ever laid eyes on, who couldn't find a good thing to say about one of my lovelies (who is actually exceptionally talented)angry

Stropperella Wed 27-Mar-13 21:57:44

Woo? WOO?? This is an official term now?

Ds recently had a Judaism Week at school and now considers himself the house expert on such matters. He is v. pleased that I have purchased matzos, though pointed out this morning that they are "not suitable for pesach, which is now" (smartarse - and like it matters in our house anyway). I am not sure how much of his newly acquired knowledge on all things Jewish is sound because he keeps insisting that much of it was taught to him by Professor Umbridge (see Harry Potter). hmm

grin at the Pope talking Elvish..

Stropperella Wed 27-Mar-13 22:00:05

MrsS, your ma truly is a stranger to empathy.

CointreauVersial Wed 27-Mar-13 22:41:25

Funny that, DD1 is knee deep in Judaism at school as well. She expected me to know the difference between Orthodox, Reform and Liberal Jews. Ha ha, what do I know?

Sorry to hear about the job, MI, but don't be disheartened, there's something better around the corner......

CointreauVersial Wed 27-Mar-13 22:42:52

And three cheers for appreciative comments at work, BTM! Makes it all worth while.

Cremolafoam Wed 27-Mar-13 22:51:47

Woo-woo (or just plain woo) refers to ideas considered irrational or based on extremely flimsy evidence or that appeal to mysterious occult forces or powers."


Blackduck Thu 28-Mar-13 05:38:18

Stropps - your ds' homework made me smile - just the sort of thing my ds would write.
'Woo' is an official strength, really - wtaf is woo?
Jewish - hmm, why did children get so fascinated with this? Recall nephew aged about 8 announcing' I'm a Christian, mummy is a Hindu (true) and daddy is a Jew' hmm could not dissuade him no matter what we said...

So very sorry about job MI.

MrsS your mother never ceases to amaze me.

My mum is being sent for an ECG - sincerely hope thesis just precautionary...

Cremolafoam Thu 28-Mar-13 07:15:01

Btm Bon voyage!grin

hattymattie Thu 28-Mar-13 09:04:36

Thank's for the definition of 'woo' before I had to ask.

My friend is a reformed Jew - she reckons this allows her to eat pork sausages. Who am I to argue.

Stropp's I think our children are way to much into their fantasy books. grin. Although who's to say there aren't Jewish wizards.

Major row last night as DD1's secret chocolate supply was raided either by DD2 and/or DS. She says she has no privacy and will now faint at school due to lack of chocolate! DD2 accused DS of stealing chocolate and planting wrapper in her bin. At this point I retired to watch Masterchef.

Off to dentist now...

QueenQueenie Thu 28-Mar-13 11:15:34

On things Jewish ... dh's (Jewish) grandma used to give him "pink meat" for lunch sometimes when looking after him. This was in fact bacon.
On things DVD say... Ds2 aged 8ish reluctant audience member at the opera, after first few mins in v loud whisper, "is it all in foreign?". (It was).

bigTillyMint Thu 28-Mar-13 11:16:38

Hatty - love the chocolate mysterygrin

Cab's coming in 6 hours.... But I'm at work for the next 4!

Blackduck Thu 28-Mar-13 11:29:43

QQ - love it!
BTM - enjoy (I hate you smile )

Still blinking freezing here, and I have had enough.

Blackduck Thu 28-Mar-13 11:31:10

In our house any chocolate mystery would firmly be laid at the dog's door ;) (and not without good reason...)

Why can't people just be nice to each other <sigh>

hattymattie Thu 28-Mar-13 13:18:47

Ahh - think we need to get a dog, that would be the solution.

Happy to report - nothing too serious at dentist's, have got off likely with minor filling.

Have got in a multi-packet of Twix plus three of those chocolate Lindt bunnies which should keep us going over Easter.

hattymattie Thu 28-Mar-13 13:21:11

Just to add - BTM - I am sooo jealous and soo cold. envy Have a great time.

herbaceous Thu 28-Mar-13 13:43:49

I also am well jel of BTM. And of anyone at liberty to eat chocolate - it's a fast day today, as things have slipped in the past week. I should have fasted on Monday, but had to take DS to hospital, so it didn't seem appropriate. After all, I had to throw myself into his 'treat' lunch at Byron. Mmmmmm. Chilli burger.

motherinferior Thu 28-Mar-13 13:45:58

Have a lovely time, BTM!

I have not got much done today (too tired and stressed-out - concert was bloody knackering!) but I have drafted the copy (mostly taken from my CV) for my website about Wonderful Me. I am quite amazingly fabulous, apparently. I'm terribly impressed.

herbaceous Thu 28-Mar-13 13:47:54

Can you lot give me a kick up the arse? I have decided what I want to do next, career-wise, but have to send an exploratory email to find out how to get into it. But as the job is language-related, the wording of the email seems so utterly vital that I find myself incapable of sending the buggering thing, for feare of them telling me to sod off. It's been hanging over me for months.

Should I feel the fear and do it anyway?

rubyrubyruby Thu 28-Mar-13 13:48:29

I survived crepeys.
It took nearly 3 hours and I'm sore, stitched and swollen but it's done.

Bugger MI.

Mmmmmmm - chocolate.

Blackduck Thu 28-Mar-13 13:49:03

Oh link MI!
Herbs was going to ask how the fasting was/is going. I have def lost weight but wonder if I need to push up to three days to shift a bit more.

motherinferior Thu 28-Mar-13 13:50:27

YAY Ruby!

Herbs, DO IT. I have commandeered my Most Bossy Friend to boss me into doing things like this - hence writing my website copy this morning when all I wanted to do was futz about pointlessly - and it was a Very Good Idea.

Go back, give the email a final edit and send off.

Blackduck Thu 28-Mar-13 13:50:42

Hi Ruby - waves - can you eat chocolate at the moment? And does it all feel, well, better?

Herbs <stern look> send

rubyrubyruby Thu 28-Mar-13 13:52:03


If course you are MI smile

Herbs - just do it! << takes aim with her size 5 slippers >>

rubyrubyruby Thu 28-Mar-13 13:54:02

No - I don't think chocolate would be a good idea atm although I do look like I'm storing creme egg in my cheek.

motherinferior Thu 28-Mar-13 13:54:07

It's not up yet, BD. A friend who is a website person offered to do me one ages ago - it was a 40th birthday present IIRC - but frankly I've always felt that self-promo time was better spent whizzing off pitches. Now, though, we've reached the tipping point where really any freelancer has to have one - and someone I know pointed out the other day it's more important to have a website than a CV.

Mind you website-wallah mate feels v strongly that these things are NOT for self-promotion so I have an argument on my hands grin

Stropperella Thu 28-Mar-13 13:58:43

Hope you feel better soon Ruby.

BD - three days a week of starving sounds like torture to me. Are you sure it's good for you? grin

Herbs - just do it. Today. Now.

Well done MI.

Gawd, I wish I could amazingly fabulous myself. envy

Blackduck Thu 28-Mar-13 14:02:46

Well I think we are all amazingly fabulous grin

Ruby - liquid chocolate?

Stropperella Thu 28-Mar-13 14:07:01

I just read this , which talks about something that I have been twitchy about for some time. It made me sad

herbaceous Thu 28-Mar-13 14:24:00

I've done it!

And yes, Strops, so depressing. The comments below the feature are very interesting.

Blackduck Thu 28-Mar-13 14:34:16

Stropps - thats depressing....I feel like a failure as a mother as it is without adding my failure to send ds to a private school...

herbaceous Thu 28-Mar-13 14:52:02

I had convinced myself that not sending DS private was doing him a favour, as he'd only be learning how to mix with a narrow band of rich, entitled arses. But maybe if that's the route to success (for example, the Tory Cabinet) I should start saving.

Stropperella Thu 28-Mar-13 15:22:57

It's a recurrent theme in my life as I am the only one in my wider family who was mainly state-educated (just a horrid 2 years in a private school 6th form). My db was privately educated from age 7 to 18 and all the cousins in our generation are the product of an expensive private education and all of their children are the same.
There is a widespread feeling amongst these cousins that you fail your children if you do not send them to a big name public school. Obviously, I am working at being happy about being an impoverished, mad halfwit who unwisely bred. But I am still not looking forward to a big family party that is happening in April, where the vast numbers of cousinly offspring who have made it to Oxbridge will be mightily trumpeted. And people will be watching my dcs for signs of oafish state school behaviour. Ds will probably oblige by putting on a good show. grin

Stropperella Thu 28-Mar-13 15:26:11

Oh god, I am whinging AGAIN. Somebody come and remove my brain and give it a good shaking. I should be happy for every day no one is poorly and I can pay the gas bill, fgs. Tell me these idiot people in my family do not matter and merit and innate talent will eventually count for something anyway. Or alternatively, just send me a big, hard, virtual SMACK.

Stropperella Thu 28-Mar-13 15:39:20

Herbs - well done for jolly well doing it grin

rubyrubyruby Thu 28-Mar-13 16:01:03

Good god - first I have to kick herbs up the arse and now strops wants me to take her brain out! Don't you lot realise I'm convalescing FFS grin

We all do our best for our children in whichever way we can.

I've been reading the 'foodbank' thread - that puts everything into perspective.

herbaceous Thu 28-Mar-13 16:09:37

Strops. Have a read of the 'school cake sale' thread on AIBU. I actually cried laughing.

beachyhead Thu 28-Mar-13 16:38:54

I'm back, from a Failed Root Canal confused

He got to two roots but can't get to the third, so I'm being referred to a specialist, who apparently might be able to get there... Or I can just have the tooth removed and an implant put in. How am I supposed to decide? I'm not a dentist!

Well done with kicks up the bottom and removal of brains.

A word of warning, Sainsbury's had almost run out of Easter eggs this morning. All the basics were gone and only the monty £20 Thorntons ones were there in abundance...we have none yet!

motherinferior Thu 28-Mar-13 16:53:13

Is there no end to this dental horror???

Stropperella Thu 28-Mar-13 16:56:07

Nooooo, Beachy. That's very much not nice for you.

herbaceous Thu 28-Mar-13 17:01:50

This is why I'm putting off going to the dentist! Last time I had root canal surgery was 10 years ago, and I had to be sedated as my hands were gripping the arms of the chair so tightly I was turning them to powder.

CointreauVersial Thu 28-Mar-13 17:52:09

Cringing at tales of dental woe.

Easter egg shortages - I got caught out a couple of years ago, and ended up buying something overpriced and inappropriate late on Easter Saturday, so I now stock up in good time for the DCs. Back in the day DF used to own a petrol station, so Easter Sunday was either a nausea-inducing bonanza of overstocks, or sweet FA. grin

Strops - I read that story, but concluded that I wasn't expecting any of mine to become actors, sportspersons or singers, which is what the article mainly seemed to focus on. I have come to terms with my un-pushiness regarding the DCs' education; they are in "good" state schools, and as long as they are progressing, are happy, and are growing into articulate, interesting people I strongly believe that they will make something of their lives, even with the "burden" of a state school education. You are not failing your DCs by not privately educating them, but it would suit your family to make you feel like you are, so they can justify what they are spending on school fees. So there.

Stropperella Thu 28-Mar-13 18:06:16

I heart CV grin

Cremolafoam Thu 28-Mar-13 18:51:58

Oh Beachy that's wretched altogether. Hope you are double dosing on the drugs. If you can bear it( and I don't blame you if you can't) try to keep the tooth. A prosthetic can cause all sorts of untold other horror. I speak from experience. My gentle dentist is all about keeping your originals and will always try to save it. I binned three shit and thug-style dentists before I found a sensible reasonable one. I feel so sorry for your pain. Chocolate via straws all roundsmile

Rubes you too. Well bloody done today.

Strops FGS the private school thing is a racket. It does not prevent anyone who didn't go to one from later life success. Good teaching and positive role models and confidence giving experiences can be found at plenty of state schools , ordinary primaries and bog standard grammars. Your children will do well in life because they've got You who gives a shit and doesn't pay someone to do that for them. grin I have been up against this attitude for years and its codswallop. Privately educated kids may well do brilliantly but there are no guarantees.

I am now anxious about chocolate egg shortagesshock I need a Dr who one and a minty aero one. However if they have to be upgraded to hotel chocolat or downgraded to cremeggs from the spar I think I can live with itgringrin

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 28-Mar-13 19:01:13

Strops, I will swap you your family gathering for mine if it will make you feel better. My faaaamily is like the Mitchells in Eastenders but marginally less violent. No-one has been privately educated apart from my second cousin once removed who won a scholarship to a London public school. No-one went to uni either, apart from second cousin once removed, who got banged up inadvertently detained somewhere, missed his finals and had to do an extra year. A few have HNDs (or whatever they are called now) from Polys. They meet up at weddings and funerals, declare undying love for each other, it's because we're faaamily, innit? They get very drunk, have a huge row about something quite trivial and don't speak to one of their relatives for the rest of their life.

They have disowned quite close relatives for the following reasons:

Someone being given a Catholic funeral when they weren't Catholic. ("I suppose because you're the widow you think you can do what you bleedin' well like?")

The disappearance of Auntie's jewellery being blamed on someone being a tea leaf. ("She left that to me, you know.")

Someone inheriting something that the others thought they shouldn't have, even though it was all above board and in the will.

And I've heard the following comment at a cousin's wedding:

"Is your dress second hand? It looks it, it looks a bit grubby round the bottom. No? Are you sure?" (This was to the bride.)

Uncle to his sister: "You're far to ugly to be in our family. Mum must have been having a bit on the side."

On the tooth front, I now have a shiny, new crown and a sore mouth.

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 28-Mar-13 19:02:56

Oh and Strops, privately educated second cousin once removed now drives a mini cab in Saaaf Landan...

hattymattie Thu 28-Mar-13 19:31:08

Well definitely got off lightly at the dentist compared to some of you. Hope you're all feeling better.

DH always very bemused by how many Brit actors are Oxbridge. He says in France the dafter you are the better and cites Depardieu as an example.

Mrs S - my friend has a family like yours - her DF was a black cab driver who interestingly sent her to private school (she's an accountant now). With some of the stories she tells I'm beginning to think she's related to the Krays.

Stropperella Thu 28-Mar-13 19:38:09

MrsS and Crem, I <heart> you too. Although, MrsS, your family gatherings sound a bunch more fun than mine. Ours is vast collection of poshos with sticks up their arses all being polite but incredibly cutting. A bit of shouting and swearing would air about 50 years' worth of grievances and put a stop to the 2 months of snidey bitching phone calls which inevitably follow one of these dos. The snobbery is painful. This will be the first time some of the more dreadful cousins have met dh - who is very much not their sort of person. He won't give a crap about their reaction, but I will. Then again, I shouldn't, should I?
I should prob also stop spending money I can't afford on clothing to wear to this do in an effort to boost my flagging self-confidence. I will get sneered at whatever, so I might as well put on my stripey M&S strides, DMs and a fuck-off attichood instead. grin

hattymattie Thu 28-Mar-13 20:10:16

Love the idea of the stripey strides and docs at a wedding. You should go for it -especially if you won't see them again for years; grin

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 28-Mar-13 20:48:50

DD1 is utterly distraught. She auditioned for the school musical and has been given a place in the chorus. Last year she had two major speaking parts with solos, and had been led to believe she would have a big part this year too (the 8th graders tend to get the bigger parts). She has said she is going to tell the teacher where to shove her musical and do football instead. I don't blame her. Her friend, who is outstanding and has the most amazing voice has also been shoved in the chorus. She says she's not doing it either. DD1 is also muttering about favouritism. Not sure what to do. She is sobbing in her room as if nothing can be right ever again. I don't really want to email the evil bitch teacher as that looks a bit precious, but she put her sport on hold to do this instead and now may not get onto the sports team either. I can quite see why she doesn't want to be in the "dancing chorus", particularly as she said earlier in the week that she saw the other teacher's notebook and was very excited because her and her friend's names were pencilled against two major parts. Not sure how you can go from that to the chorus in the space of a few days.

hattymattie Thu 28-Mar-13 21:03:32

Aww Mrs S - I had a similar situation last year when DD2 got given the part of a Wardrobe in Beauty and the Beast (although being a bad mother I couldn't suppress a snigger - at talking wardrobe). These school drama things are really tough and I did think DD was better than her friend who got much bigger role. I always feel very helpless against the 'powers that be' in these situations. DD2 did do a flounce and went for swimming instead.

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 28-Mar-13 21:33:37

According to dratted FB, five people have quit because they aren't happy with their roles. These are not "precious" children, either, they just felt that they probably deserved better (and are right). One of DD's friends has been cast as a dancer. She can't dance. I don't mean that she has no sense of rhythm, she has something wrong with her back, and she can't physically dance, so she is having to ask for another part. confused

CointreauVersial Thu 28-Mar-13 21:34:55

Oh, MrsS, that's a shame. Is it one of those "you had a part last year; it's someone else's turn now" situations, or something more underhand? I suppose it's a life lesson; sometimes it's not bloody well fair.

MrsSchadenfreude Thu 28-Mar-13 21:43:56

I think it is probably favouritism. The 8th graders usually get the good parts, the idea being that you start in the chorus at 6th grade and work your way up. The others who have all been given chorus parts have told the teacher where to stick it too. It's like a step back from last year for DD1, and all of her friends are saying "Y r u in the chorus? U r reeeellly good." And crap like that.

At DD1's first school in Brussels, the drama teacher cast his daughter in the lead role in every play (she was Mary, she was Goldilocks... you get the picture). Some parents not unreasonably complained (not me!) and said that other children should be given a chance. The head agreed, roles were recast. Apparently he had a hissy fit and resigned on the spot!

Cremolafoam Thu 28-Mar-13 22:13:31

Mrs s I think there is definitely some underhand control freakery going on. I'd put money on it being one nasty individual with a grudge.

Hattie do you actually have a restaurant in RLsmile?< fascinated>

envyenvyenvy @ BTM on her travels today. SO need a holiday rather than the promise of trawling university campuses with dd.
I am working the entire Easter Weekend which is adding to my sense of doom. This day last year it was 18 degrees and we were off to the west of Ireland to have beach and donkey fun with friends.sad

Blackduck Fri 29-Mar-13 08:04:44

Morning all - just caught up. Hungover here - I blame the champers. I am in a warm (friends) house and might just stay grin

Don't do Easter eggs here so ds has two more books in the Percy Jackson series as he demolished the first one in less than 24 hours. He'll get a ton of choc from the in-laws.

Mum is off for ECG and 24 hours heart/blood pressure monitoring - fun (not)

Stropps yy to stripy trousers, DMs and attitude grin

hattymattie Fri 29-Mar-13 10:58:25

Crem - no no restaurant here - watching Masterchef is as far as it goes - though I do try to up my game - when Masterchef on TV. My DD wants to trawl universities as well, I don't know when she thinks we can dump the rest of the family and actually do this.

Mrs S - I reckon all these drama things are inherently unfair, can't believe the drama teacher resigned when accused of favouritism. Drama Queens the lot of them. In our school the younger ones get small parts as well and are expected to work their way up year after year.

BD - I have confiscated my DS's Percy Jackson's as he's reading them in a loop and needs to read other stuff for school. I felt really mean but he's addicted!

rubyrubyruby Fri 29-Mar-13 11:17:31

DD has just picked Drama as one of her GCSE options

Beachy - oh gawd, not you too!

All this talk of holidays and champers. I'm on mashed food only here (no alcohol) and can only get a teaspoon in my mouth - took me an hour to eat my soup grin
Still, at least I won't have to diet before my holiday.

rubyrubyruby Fri 29-Mar-13 11:44:51

Can I also say:


As its what I have said, or felt like saying, on most other threads this morning.

Blackduck Fri 29-Mar-13 11:49:11

Oh which threads Ruby?! I am on my way home to my freezing house ...
I intend to do very little today, but need to tidy up as have guests coming on Sunday. Need to decide what to cook.

MrsSchadenfreude Fri 29-Mar-13 17:17:01

Well we have had some serious backpedalling going on from drama teacher. DD1 spent most of the day in tears at school (she rang me twice from the loo). I was quite worried about her - she had a serious maths exam today, and I emailed the teacher and asked that she be allowed to do it next week as a) she was in no state to do well and b) maths is not her strong point. She told me the drama teacher had asked to see her after school - she did not want to go. I said she should speak to her, so that she could see how upset she was by the whole fandango. Teacher spoke to her - of course she is not in the chorus hmm, she did not read the email properly - this role has been created especially for her, she will be on stage for 90% of the musical, of course it is a speaking part... yada yada yada. All I can say is, lying bitch - I read the email too and it definitely said chorus! DD1 has agreed to do it - I think she should ask to see the script to see exactly how much of a role it is. Actually, I am now envisioning the drama teacher spending this weekend hurriedly writing an extra character into the play... grin

Blackduck Fri 29-Mar-13 17:40:56

Blimey MrsS what a stress! Do the French not get Good Friday off?
I am over the hangover and inordinately pleased that dp managed to get the old loo seat off and we have a brand spanking new one - one step closer to the new bathroom? smile
I have a five day break - hoorah!
Hope all those with teeth issues are on the mend...

Stropperella Fri 29-Mar-13 17:50:23

Ooo-er, MrsS, the drama teacher is clearly having a big old panic. Maybe she allocated the parts in the first place by getting pissed and then putting on a blindfold and sticking pins in a list?

BD, we had an epic Percy Jackson phase that lasted for about 6 months. Ds read the final book in the original series just after Christmas. He has the ones from the new series on hold whilst he catches up on a bit of HP. I loved PJ too, but can't be arsed with HP.

Having spent the morning freezing at a sand sculpture exhibition with a sci fi theme - ds went dressed as a jedi and was v. excited because he met a Tusken raider AND Darth Vader - I feel I have done enough boy stuff today. Looking forward to a fish and chip supper and a glass or two of fizz.

Ruby, you must be sooooo sore, you poor soul. Hope everyone is on the mend from their dental disasters - or at least bearing up, in Beachy's case.

Cremolafoam Fri 29-Mar-13 18:09:37

Ofgs mrs S what a carry on!
What a menteuse! It would be laughable if it weren't so cruel.

I am visiting my friends cat( feeding him while she's away) we are watching Ratatouille. The cat is nose to screen watching the cartoon mice.
Vair funnygrin

Hattie quarter final ce soir of Masterchef. You watching?

Blackduck Sat 30-Mar-13 08:41:27

Blimey apparently we are a clique... Never thought I'd be in a MN clique hmm

Stropperella Sat 30-Mar-13 08:52:00

Are we? Sez who? grin

bigTillyMint Sat 30-Mar-13 09:16:55

We made it! 36hours travelling - plane, train (sleeper) then lots of waiting round, 2 coaches and a minibus. Finally in a nice hotel and off to the poolsmile

My family sounds most like MrsS's - DH and I only ones in our families to go to uni (bar DM going to teacher training college) and DMIL falls out with her sisters and DFILs sisters on a regular basis.

I also had a cleaner who was good mates with the Krays (and son who was a tealeaf)!

Blackduck Sat 30-Mar-13 09:17:58

Lag watch in the thread in site stuff on POs. they are discussing bullying and cliques. Pag mentions crepeys as a harmless clique grin not sure whether to be offended or not
(Book two of Percy Jackson almost finished - rolls eyes)

Blackduck Sat 30-Mar-13 09:18:23

Pagwatch (bloody autocorrect)

Blackduck Sat 30-Mar-13 09:21:47

Hi BTM <waves> -still hate you thou' smile

hattymattie Sat 30-Mar-13 09:34:17

Just had to come on to say was discussion on R4 on Cremolafoam this morning and apparently two songs were written about its virtuessmile.

Saw Masterchef Crem but didn't do thread as had to simultaneously converse with DH.

motherinferior Sat 30-Mar-13 10:15:00