' Fashion' language

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Mendi Tue 19-Feb-13 20:23:02

Flicking through Grazia which arrived today because my ex-boyfriend has clearly not realised he's still paying the subscription which just renewed.

WTF is 'a knit'? Is it a jumper? A cardi? A sleeveless top? Or is the only thing that matters the fact that it was 'a Celine knit'?

While I'm on the subject, what is 'a trouser'?? Just one leg?

Does anyone want to start with a "Breton"? grin

KandyBarr Tue 19-Feb-13 20:38:22

It's jargon - and like all jargon it's meant to a) make users feel important, and b) exclude those who don't understand it. Best ignored.

PaleHousewifeOfCumbriaCounty Tue 19-Feb-13 21:36:38

I dont know what cigarette pants are, but im betting they arent for lounging abut smoking marlborough lites.

JumpHerWho Tue 19-Feb-13 22:32:03

I love that your ex is funding your Grazia habit grin

Just finished mine, love Tuesdays, wine and Grazia night wine

ceeveebee Tue 19-Feb-13 22:33:11

A trouser is to be worn with a shoe or a boot
Preferably in a nice bright colour so that it pops

JumpHerWho Tue 19-Feb-13 22:36:22

I am currently sporting a jogger teamed with a slipper, with a slouchy blanket insouciantly draped over my body. So chic.

I've styled a pyjama shirt with a pyjama trouser, but I'm cleverly subverting the 'pyjamas as daywear' trend by wearing them at night. Fierce.

JumpHerWho Tue 19-Feb-13 22:56:53

grin Amber!

RedPencils Tue 19-Feb-13 23:05:10

Why is everything 'teamed with' something else. Top teamed with skirt. Coat teamed with bangles. Wtf are they on about.

ujjayi Wed 20-Feb-13 00:23:37

And don't forget that in order to "team" a garment with another you must "throw on" said items.

Internationaltraveller Wed 20-Feb-13 02:20:26

ceeveebee the popping colour!!!!!!!lol

Mendi Wed 20-Feb-13 06:02:29

Yes and you can't just 'wear' your 'trouser'/'boot'/whatever; you have to 'rock' it.

The worst offender in Grazia is that Polly Vernon. FFS woman! You're at least 40, not 15! Why are you talking that nonsense??

chanie44 Wed 20-Feb-13 06:57:07

'I like to have fun with my clothes'.

I enjoy clothes as much as the next person, but I wouldn't call it 'fun'.

Don't forget a red lip and a Smokey eye!

OddSocksFrillyFrock Wed 20-Feb-13 07:11:14

You can't just wear pretty, delicate items on their own, you must 'toughen the look up by teaming it with a leather biker jacket/pair of boots.' Annoying.

PaleHousewifeOfCumbriaCounty Wed 20-Feb-13 08:06:47

This morning ive 'mixed up' my dressing goen look by not wearing a bra. Do i go red lips or nude?

Oh god, don't forget to add a bright eye-shadow to make your eyes pop! <voms at mental image>

wildfig Wed 20-Feb-13 08:37:28

Luxe! Is it all 'luxe'? Whatever that means, as the word doesn't seem to exist in any other context?

KandyBarr Wed 20-Feb-13 08:55:04

'Tricksy' when used to mean tricky - as in 'peplums can be tricksy to get right'.

Tricksy doesn't mean tricky, FFS - it means devious.

PoppyAmex Wed 20-Feb-13 08:58:04

Rocking a colour block look.
A bold lip.

ujjayi Wed 20-Feb-13 10:39:00

The all time low of this has to be Jess Cartner-Morley referring to "an opaque tight".

Words fail me.

My personal favourite is a "statement brow"

freddiefrog Wed 20-Feb-13 11:15:09

What on earth is a statement brow? Is it like my DH's mono-brow? grin

My pet hate is 'colour-way'

RedPencils Wed 20-Feb-13 11:24:36

I must confess to having a 'statement brow'. The statement being that I'm a lazy skank who doesn't get them waxed often enough.

What other statement can you make with your eyebrows?

JumpHerWho Wed 20-Feb-13 11:47:31

If 'skinny jeans' were rebranded 'tight jeans' sales would drop dramatically.

specialsubject Wed 20-Feb-13 11:59:29

what is a 'piece'?

what is a 'twist'?

what is a 'look?'

why do models have to do that silly walk?

so many mysteries. All such a waste of time when I cannot find the practical, comfortable clothes that I want anywhere!!

RSVP Wed 20-Feb-13 12:31:38

what about investment pieces?
You know the ones magazines bombard you with every week season.

I mean they are not that a good investment if you have to re-invest all the time, are they?

101handbags Wed 20-Feb-13 12:36:30

I always laugh when they reel off a model's CV: 'walked for Celine, Stella McCartney and Chanel'. Not appeared in the catwalk show. Oh no.

MadameWattinger Wed 20-Feb-13 12:36:54

'on trend'


101handbags Wed 20-Feb-13 12:37:54

'dress up, dress down'
'take it from office to dnner'
'a mixture of high street, vintage and designer'

RemoteOutpost Wed 20-Feb-13 12:45:11

Okay, someone had to do it - I give you from the Boden site:

'transition from work to play in this bright silky tee'


'don't bother to change your t-shirt before going out after work'

ThenWeTakeBerlin Wed 20-Feb-13 12:46:51

Bang on trend <twitchy eye>

JumpHerWho Wed 20-Feb-13 12:47:25

Yy - who are all these people who want to go straight from work to a night out without changing? And without re-applying deodorant or make-up according to beauty companies? Skanks.

MechanicalTheatre Wed 20-Feb-13 12:51:55

"on trend"

Just fuck off.

ClaudiaCutie Wed 20-Feb-13 12:52:13

What drives me mad: A "playful" garment, when it's merely some item that looks bloody stupid.

Still, I'm so dim that I didn't realise one could subscribe to Grazia. I just had a look online and a yearly subscription for print only is £30 and print + digital is £40. FGS! I couldn't sign up fast enough. Treat every week! Have to add this to HUGE list of S&B-induced spending however (which is, of course, a whole other thread).

RemoteOutpost Wed 20-Feb-13 12:52:54

Jump - I think those people are the ones who 'transition' straight from work into the pub for the evening. Lucky feckers envy

QueenBee245 Wed 20-Feb-13 13:01:48

I hate the word 'vintage' it second-hand Fgs
Also 'wardrobe staple' 'über-anything'
Also when things are referred to as retro....everything comes back into fashion ie animal print clothing is splashed across fashion magazines EVErY SINGLE YEAR!!

QueenBee245 Wed 20-Feb-13 13:02:35

And 'flattering hues' we are all bloody different so how can it flatter everyone!?

Lavenderhoney Wed 20-Feb-13 13:13:29

My pet hate at the moment is the "pop of colour"

And "statement" anything.

I don't get the ' knit' thing either. Unless paying 200 quid for a cardi doesn't sound as 'luxe'as paying 200 quid for a knit.

I'm waiting for someone to snap at me 'it's a knit" when i say " nice cardi"

bequiasweet Wed 20-Feb-13 13:14:18

Today, I am mostly rocking a pair of pants, a pair of socks, a bra, a top, a pair of jeans and some boots. I like to call it 'wearing clothes'.

bequiasweet Wed 20-Feb-13 13:16:07

Oh, and do look at this headline from Yahoo news today!

"Ashish collection inspired by building site style with added sparkle at LFW AW13"

wtf? confused

MoodyDidIt Wed 20-Feb-13 13:31:41

oh i love grazia but the horribly pretentious fashion speak is cringeworthy grin

101handbags Wed 20-Feb-13 13:44:56

Anyone 'channelling' anything today? Oh I could go on... Sunday Times Style magazine is good (bad?) at all of this crap too.

QueenBee245 Wed 20-Feb-13 13:44:56

bequia I believe the fashion term is you are rocking a pant, a bra, a sock, a tee and a pant apparently no plurals are allowed in the fashion world

Mendi Wed 20-Feb-13 13:45:05

I've just been out in my lunchtime and inspected 'this week's drop' in Top Shop.

Does a stork fly over and literally drop the clothes into the shop?

QueenBee245 Wed 20-Feb-13 13:46:45

I am 'channeling' street chic with a 'messy up do' (hairs shoved in a booble)

QueenBee245 Wed 20-Feb-13 13:47:31

A booble!? That's meant to say bobble maybe booble should be the new fashion term

bequiasweet Wed 20-Feb-13 14:05:50

101 - apparently I'm channelling a monk, according to my 10 y.o. dd when she saw my new haircut.
Yes Queen Bee, I stand corrected. I am wearing a pant.

PromQueenWithin Wed 20-Feb-13 14:13:05

You're all channelling pops of colour and rocking your lips. And your clutch is totes amaze-balls. Arf.

bequiasweet Wed 20-Feb-13 14:21:41

grin Prom, I bet you're rocking your lips right now aren't you! Stop it!

ThatBintAgain Wed 20-Feb-13 14:28:05

I can't bear it when things are only referred to by the first word, like "a plain tee" or "a purple clutch". Sounds lazy and wanky.

bequiasweet Wed 20-Feb-13 14:54:40

OOh, sorry Prom, having re-read that, I didn't mean to come across quite as double-entendre as that!

nethunsreject Wed 20-Feb-13 15:28:50

Well, we all know that a slim trouser is the go to piece for the tricksy office to dinner cross over.

With a red lip, natch

'Go to-', 'piece' 'hero product', 'stand-out piece' blah blah blah ..... grin

Yakshemash Wed 20-Feb-13 15:49:36

You are all BU (even though this isn't AIBU)

I lurrrrve fashion speak. I think tartan will be making punky waves for pre-fall.

bequiasweet Wed 20-Feb-13 15:56:58
DesiderataHollow Wed 20-Feb-13 15:57:18


As in she has carefully curated her handbag collection.

thefirstmrsrochester Wed 20-Feb-13 16:04:34

Nothing has and nothing will ever beat 'herion chic' and 'ghetto fabulous'.

Internationaltraveller Wed 20-Feb-13 16:07:52

And can anyone in the fashion industry explain why we have to see the same trends again and again? "This season is monochromatic" (that's dressing in black and white folks!) "spring is reminiscent of 90s grunge" (that means "we couldn't be bothered to think of anything new so we will just do 90s again") And don't even get me started about military...

This gem from Grazia "FROWING" as in who's FROWING? (That's sitting in the front row)

I think it must make its way into our consciousness. I was out shopping with my friend the other day and found myself saying I was looking out for a 'statement necklace'. She looked at me like... well, like you're looking at me now. blush

freddiefrog Wed 20-Feb-13 17:12:19

Just spotted this about Mary Portas's new 'collection'

^The 'Mary Cocktail' of style is 'one part Simple Chic and one part Edge then Decorated' which 'is the result of a revolution and an evolution'


ItsOkayItsJustMyBreath Wed 20-Feb-13 17:56:20

Who are you wearing?

I've got a frock on hmm

Cailleach Wed 20-Feb-13 18:05:53

This thread reminds me of something I read yesterday. Try to read this without your toes curling:


Cailleach Wed 20-Feb-13 18:07:53

Oh and don't miss the video at the end of that link. Most of the people in it are just beyond parody.

PaleHousewifeOfCumbriaCounty Wed 20-Feb-13 18:18:52

Curating is the worst word EVER in this context....

soaccidentprone Wed 20-Feb-13 18:19:32

just worked out what AW13 is. should that be blush or grin or hmm

RedPencils Wed 20-Feb-13 18:23:54

Soaccidentprone - me too blush

Internationaltraveller Wed 20-Feb-13 18:26:21

Oh, and if I hear about word about Cara effing delevigne...

BelindaCarlisle Wed 20-Feb-13 18:26:35


that simple word made someone leave mumsnet

i know

TomArchersSausage Wed 20-Feb-13 18:30:39

And 'Capsule Wardrobe'.

I understand it in theory I suppose but who does all that really?confused<awaits stampede of capsulers> Especially re holiday packing. It's so, I dunno...self satisfiedhmm

Internationaltraveller Wed 20-Feb-13 18:32:57

That was meant to be another word - dang iPad!

HobKnob Wed 20-Feb-13 18:34:01

I just had to google AW13

Internationaltraveller Wed 20-Feb-13 18:40:35

cailleach that article mentions military AND Cara Delevigne! LOL

RedPencils Wed 20-Feb-13 18:54:46

I don't know who that Cara person is. Is she the new Alexa? Or is Alexa still Alexa and Cara whatshername the new someone else?
Really must buy Grazia more.

Caras the new Kate grin

JumpHerWho Wed 20-Feb-13 20:01:03

Freddie they love Mary Portas because she's married to one of their senior staff. They coo over her tacky overpriced collections. Collections is a bit wanky too isn't it.

I do like Cara and her onesie though.

CalamityKate Wed 20-Feb-13 20:06:29

The phrase "A piece" when used to describe either an item of clothing or some bit of tat someone's trying to flog via FB makes me actually cringe.

Mendi Wed 20-Feb-13 20:20:19

It's never just 'a piece' though is it? It's always 'an investment piece' .

And to the statement brow person up-thread - Cara definitely rocks a statement brow. Just the one. With shaved bit in the middle.

Bessie123 Wed 20-Feb-13 20:51:51

Ooh me, me... 'Oh so now'... that one is really annoying, more than the fashion singular

Bessie123 Wed 20-Feb-13 20:54:04

Cara Delavigne seems to me like a very average silly teenager. That is what made me realise I'm getting old. I am, however, rocking the bang on trend Worzel Gummidge look

Mirage Wed 20-Feb-13 21:16:13

Bloody Hell,I'm glad that the only magazine I read is Horse & Hound.I'd explode if I had to read fashion or style mags.shock

fossil971 Wed 20-Feb-13 21:20:35

Last winter's (I mean season's) magazines were full of "Peter Pan collars are having a fashion moment"

Saying "Having a moment" is clearly having a moment, I hope the moment has passed now.

Cubtrouble Wed 20-Feb-13 21:26:07

Boyfriend jeans!! My favourite! Why do they actually sell boyfriend jeans or should that be jean?
Surely the whole point of boyfriend jeans is that you steal them from your boyfriend?

I'm currently "rocking a vintage husband fleece" it's fab and pops nicely with my colour blocking baggy pant.

Do NOT get me started on a onesie.

Cubtrouble Wed 20-Feb-13 21:27:21

Cara needs a brow pluck too.

Suchabody Wed 20-Feb-13 21:46:28

Cubtrouble I can nearly match your vintage husband fleece. I am currently rocking the maroon slanket look. In fact, totally nailing it, as it's teamed with a bang on trend zing-pop-tastic and oh-so-supercute neon slipper.


Bessie123 Wed 20-Feb-13 21:56:13

Cara makes her eyebrows look like that on purpose with make up. She must like a strong brow.

issimma Wed 20-Feb-13 22:12:28

What's the difference between a 'messy up do' and a 'mum ponytail'? I have one of these daily grin

Cubtrouble Wed 20-Feb-13 22:17:47

Lol suchabody!! We also have said maroon slanket. Got to love a slanket, they are SO "in season".

My townie fashionista (raised brow face) sister used to comment on the amount of man made fibers me and my husband wore, ie, fleeces. Stole a march on my ironing pile though didn't I.

I nearly fainted when I saw a maternity top I'd been given was dry clean only!!!!!! WHO the hell invents a dry clean only maternity top. HELLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

RedPencils Wed 20-Feb-13 22:30:50

Issima - see I always 'sport' a messy up do, sadly it's not Cool messy, it's just messy. Not quite sure where I'm going wrong

So how old does something have to be vintage?

BOF Wed 20-Feb-13 22:52:43

I still can't work out AW13...

freddiefrog Wed 20-Feb-13 23:20:54

AW13 - Autumn/Winter 2013 isn't it?

soaccidentprone Wed 20-Feb-13 23:32:36

yes, I came to the conclusion that AW13 must stand for Autumn Winter 2013grin

wildfig Wed 20-Feb-13 23:32:41

Also, 'cruisewear'. Where are you supposed to wear it? And when? And how many people do fashion designers imagine go on cruises? Whenever I hear 'cruisewear' I imagine fashionistas teaming a cerise kaftan with a luxe orthopedic sandal and 'walking' up and down a gin palace full of Miami golden girls.

BlackSwan Wed 20-Feb-13 23:39:23

I hate the names items get. Every designer now has a 'cady' skirt or dress (I internet shop too much and I have noticed this). The term 'cady' doesn't indicate anything to do with the style or shape of the dress/skirt (unlike A-line for eg). It's just a dumb name.

Peplum also annoys me.

stickylittlefingers Wed 20-Feb-13 23:43:18

you could call it a valance instead Blackswan?

BOF Wed 20-Feb-13 23:50:31

Ahhh <penny drops>. Thanks!

Internationaltraveller Wed 20-Feb-13 23:53:14

I once went into H&M and asked for an Obi Belt blush as they were having a moment. The sales assistant thought I was nuts! (I have since stopped reading most fashion magazines.)
I like to think I'm 'bang on trend' at the moment as I am wearing pajama trousers which have recently been having a moment as going out wear. If I wanted to go out in my PJs I just would thank you, not spend 150 quid on a pair of designer ones.

Frizzbonce Wed 20-Feb-13 23:53:22

I'm a size 8 but I've got 'curves'. I'm 'womanly and I have a tummy'.

Oh and there's Alexa Chung resembling an explosion in a jumble sale and standing in that pigeon-toed 'I'm just a widdle girl' pose. She is SO fashion forward.

'Hair this season is very sexy very now a kind of laid back Renaissance baroque luxe' says bald hairdresser.

Internationaltraveller Wed 20-Feb-13 23:55:06

please can we also explore shoes. Pointy shoes are back! flats are back! they never went away surely?

Cubtrouble Wed 20-Feb-13 23:56:12

A valance! Rrraaaaahahahaha perfect! Peplum, bloody everywhere.

The worst has got to be the low rise jean. With all your muffin top hanging over. On trend that

And jumpsuits. Ridiculous

Oversized clutch
The word tote. Tote bugs me a lot.
Oversized tote

And runway. It's not a runway, no one takes off. At most it's a taxi way. Lol

Cubtrouble Wed 20-Feb-13 23:56:35

I can't wait for SS13

ceeveebee Thu 21-Feb-13 00:01:23

International surely you meant to say "let's discuss the new flat". Remember, always use singular for anything that comes in pairs

cubtrouble you missed it, SS13 is so over already

MorrisZapp Thu 21-Feb-13 00:02:07

Edit. As in wardrobe edit.

Sportswear. Now that really does confuse me. I think it means clothes that are quite comfy but I could be wrong.

Cubtrouble Thu 21-Feb-13 00:08:50

I'm my ceeveebee I caaaaaant have missed SS13 what will I weeeeear IN SS13??

I'll be sooooooo last season waaaaaaahhh (eats tissue) aaaaahhhhhhhhhhh. Joking joking!!

The biker jacket, they never actually resemble the jackets bikers wear, canvasey numbers with body armour.

I'm going to have to team my last year halter dress with my flip flop.

ujjayi Thu 21-Feb-13 00:36:21

Cubtrouble my fellow fashion students are always referring to the "runway" when discussing end of year shows. It's a feckin "catwalk"! Having said that, it's not generally awash with felines either hmm

"Collection" does make sense to me. It is a host of garments which collectively represent that season's offerings.

RambleOn Thu 21-Feb-13 01:49:00

Me, I'm really looking forward to hundreds of articles about how to prepare your 'beach body' - NOT

garlicbreeze Thu 21-Feb-13 01:53:58

As the kind of prat who describes jackets as witty (though have never knowingly said "trouser"), I was mortified to discover an unfamiliar word on this thread! I now know cady is a type of fabric. Thank you, antifashionistas wink

I consulted Macy's to find out what 'cruisewear' actually is. Turns out it's - er, holiday clothes. OK, then hmm

Internationaltraveller Thu 21-Feb-13 02:02:57

"Shop your closet" articles. They always conjure up a mental image of you having a Mariah Carey like wardrobe, not just a couple of things you wear again and again and a lot of stuff that doesn't fit anymore.
also the reinvention! Kate Middleton REINVENTED the nude heel. Not really, she just got a stylist who liked them. loads of people wore them before her.

Fern123 Thu 21-Feb-13 05:37:30

I can't believe no one has mentioned the use of 'think'!

THINK bold neons and 80's legwarmers!
THINK floral prints and leather jackets!
THINK Alexa Chung chilling in Camden Market!

THINK I'm going to throw up!
THINK goddamn you!grin

TyrannosaurusBex Thu 21-Feb-13 06:56:07

Has anyone mentioned 'channelling' e.g. somebody wearing something demure is channelling Grace Kelly?

Boden did a Biker Cardigan last year. Because LOADS of bikers wear mint green cardis with giant buttons, don't they?hmm

RedPencils Thu 21-Feb-13 08:31:55

Cub - last year halter neck dress. Don't you mean your vintage halter neck dress?

Lavenderhoney Thu 21-Feb-13 09:44:04

This morning I embraced grunge mainly as I got up really latesmile

I did a brief stint for a major fashion brand and I couldn't wait to leave to get back to the city and normal people. They really do believe their own hype. It was like being trapped in an episode of abfab.

PaleHousewifeOfCumbriaCounty Thu 21-Feb-13 09:45:48

The worst is when the fashionmongers inform you that something you have continually worn is 'back'... But you didnt know it had gone away, because you bought it when it was having a moment and no-one told you the moment had finished.

JumpHerWho Thu 21-Feb-13 10:03:23

I'd not heard of cady either. Is it the new ponte, aka cheap synthetic fabric due to cover the high st?

Kernowgal Thu 21-Feb-13 11:25:45

I occasionally watch J C-M's video offerings on the Guardian website and frequently wonder if the whole thing's just a massive joke. Pyjamas as daywear? Go-faster stripes on your trousers?

I like it because it makes me feel quite sane.

CockyPants Thu 21-Feb-13 11:37:10

Today I am channelling my mother, look wise.
I am rocking a vintage black long length cardio jacket.
A blush pink Boden shirt.
A black slouchy trouser.
And Karen Millen glasses
While watching RHO Bev Hills.
My pop of colour is
A blanket from Ikea.

TheThickPlottens Thu 21-Feb-13 11:39:46

I thought that AW13 was a postal code. Oops.

This reminds so much of Eddie and Patsy.

Today I'm rocking a knit, teamed with a tailored loungewear. (A cardi and yoga pants that have uneven hems as I took them up but couldn't be arsed measuring the legs.)

CockyPants Thu 21-Feb-13 11:46:24

I wasn't thinking of Alexa Chung AT ALL when I got dressed.
Mostly because I am only half her height.
And double her age.

BiBiBroccoli Thu 21-Feb-13 11:51:39

This thread is making me laugh so much! I am a fashion editor on a womens magazine and I have to write this shite every day.

Sadly 'pop this cardigan on with a pair of comfy trousers' or 'there's loads of khaki crap in the shops - buy some' won't really cut it with the editor when you file your copy.

I have used almost every single one of the stupid words and phrases on this thread. For that I would like to apologise! grin

CockyPants Thu 21-Feb-13 11:56:28

I wasn't even thinking Kate Mediocre Middleton when I got dressed.
Mainly because I am double her weight.
And double her IQ....
(Channelling La Mantel...obvs)

Peetle Thu 21-Feb-13 12:20:19

I always thought fashion was about making you buy new clothes when there was nothing wrong with the old ones.

PaleHousewifeOfCumbriaCounty Thu 21-Feb-13 12:24:41

Alexa chung is possibly the person i would most never want to look like. And she stands like she needs a poo.

LadyBigtoes Thu 21-Feb-13 12:27:17

I love Grazia - as an aside, besides being full of fashion wibble it really pushes a feminist agenda, which may seem like a contradiction, but I appreciate it.

But anyway - I kind of love to hate the fashion-speak. I like clothes, but am not interested in fashion per se as in what you have to wear right now and being up-to-date. So it just makes me laugh all the "fashion forward" and "on trend" stuff and also I love all the singular "trouser" and "tight" nonsense. Especially "a pink lip" - makes me think of just one lip dangling there grin

From a linguistic POV I like seeing each phrase as it rises and falls - each item of fashion wibble itself "has a moment" then becomes passe and has to be replaced.

Any area of expertise has its own jargon - I don't actually think it's just to be exclusive, it's to be specific. I work in publishing and I could list you at least 20 words most people wouldn't understand, for totally normal things like pages, page numbers and full stops.

LadyBigtoes Thu 21-Feb-13 12:29:09

BiBi - there so should be a magazine like that! Or a least a columnist. I'll do it smile

JumpHerWho Thu 21-Feb-13 12:35:57

LadyBigtoes - I disagree with you on the feminist agenda I'm afraid, it's from the Mail stable and such the political and opinion pieces are so woman-hating I often swear I'm going to cancel. I have sent the occasional angry email - mainly directed at Gaby Hinsliff.

Their 'life of a woman' type articles may seem feminist on the surface but they always debate stuff that shouldn't be up for question. Eg I bet you a squillion pounds that the morality of allowing women over 40 IVF will be their 'hot topic' next week. Marie Claire is the only slightly feminist high fash mag IMO.


garlicbreeze Thu 21-Feb-13 12:45:58

BBB grin How about rocking normal for Spring 13? Style maven Garlic (hmm) showcases directional austerity chic. "Think eco!" she enthuses. Totally today, Garlic teams worn florals with relaxed leggings, topped by a distressed yoga pant and an ironic vintage knit. Popping magenta socks and wristwarmers, this look gets edgy with a gothic boot and oversized leather jacket. Smeared makeup adds apocalyptic charm [see next page].

Hair & makeup: Pillow.
Location: Everywhere.
Clothes: Model's own.
Accessories: De Beers (well, you have to fluff the advertisers.)

LadyBigtoes Thu 21-Feb-13 12:50:57

JumpHer - I agree there are some anti-feminist pieces (I mean journalistic pieces not skirts!) in it, often as part of a two-way debate. (When Lowri turner was doing them - OMG). And obviously it is full of guff about high heels - it's not Andrea Dworkin. But the opinion pieces and asides very often highlight or speak up against inequality and raise feminist questions.

This week's is about Lena Dunham being criticised for having her character puling a good-looking man in Girls. The writer points out that the same thing is seen as fine when it's a man pulling a more beautiful woman.

"Why is is such a transgression of the natural order to see a couple in which a woman is punching above her weight? Especially when we have no issue when a guy with a face like a bag of spanners bags himself a gilded goddess." (and so on)

Of course that's not incredibly profound oscure feminism, it's an everyday observation, but Grazia does it over and over - points out when the playing field isn't equal between the genders and asks why. I actually think that's an important force for feminist awareness being consumed by a mass-market audience. It always tells women "Don't take your role for granted - ask if you're getting equal treatment, and if not, demand it."

garlicbreeze Thu 21-Feb-13 12:52:04

xpost, Bigtoes. I am so not fighting you for that column! FGS, don't try being feminist, though ... I'll do that one instead!

Red attempts a feminist stance quite often. It flunks quite often, too, but so does Marie Claire. Oh, well.

LadyBigtoes Thu 21-Feb-13 12:52:19

It is NOT comparable with the mail!

LadyBigtoes Thu 21-Feb-13 12:53:37

(I don't work for Grazia btw - but I like it, and reading the DM bears no comparison. It drips misogyny.)

garlicbreeze Thu 21-Feb-13 12:53:56

"Why is is such a transgression of the natural order to see a couple in which a woman is punching above her weight? Especially when we have no issue when a guy with a face like a bag of spanners bags himself a gilded goddess."

Ha. I rather like this! Maybe I've underestimated Grazia.

garlicbreeze Thu 21-Feb-13 12:55:05

Should have used "bags" twice in one sentence, though.

<gets coat>
<checks coat for wit, irony and edginess>

LadyBigtoes Thu 21-Feb-13 12:57:29

Oh, just checked and the dual "bags" was me!! It was "lands himself" Typing too fast.

Barmix Thu 21-Feb-13 13:04:28

And 'a wedge'?

Where I come from, a wedge is when one's pants are annoyingly lodged within one's bum crack.

BigusBumus Thu 21-Feb-13 13:52:48

What the fuck is it with the use of the word "story" as well.

"yes Im on a total nautical story"

"monchrome story"

"vintage story"


BigusBumus Thu 21-Feb-13 13:54:09

And "Sport Luxe"

Gold track suit top. Lovely!

garlicbreeze Thu 21-Feb-13 14:07:06

"Sport Luxe" - Gold track suit top.

Sound like they're channelling Jimmy Savile hmm

LadyBigtoes Thu 21-Feb-13 14:14:17

Actually "luxe" is one word that does get on my tit ends.

ujjayi Thu 21-Feb-13 14:32:57

Hmm. Grazia and, er, feminism. Nope. Not making the connection at all.

Lavenderhoney Thu 21-Feb-13 15:05:23

Bibibrocolli, You gave yourself away with the use of the colour " khaki" do you mean beige? smile not sure if khaki is green or beige tbh...

I like looking at fashions but the words used really make me cringe, it seems so teenage and forced. I have just remembered another word that annoys me when used for selling wildly expensive stuff that is handed out for free to celebs to make you want it " aspirational"

TheThickPlottens Thu 21-Feb-13 15:16:21

I'll be waiting to see "Booble" in the next fashion mag.

That's my new word for today. QueenBee is on to something there.

Gherkinsmummy Thu 21-Feb-13 15:25:35

I wear a mixture of high street and vintage.

Old clothes and new, in other words, like everyone else.

JumpHerWho Thu 21-Feb-13 15:49:59

Sorry LadyBigToes, I still disagree! It's always articles like this that put women on the back foot - 'Lena Durham has been criticised' and then goes on about it. It's the exact same technique as the Mail - faux shock at an opinion, gleefully expressed. When I say they're from the same stable, I mean they literally are the same publishers - they often share stories. Their obsession with J Aniston is entirely because she is a childless unmarried woman who they want to have the happy ending every woman apparently wants - a wedding and a baby. And every single week they have trolling articles designed to rile up the readership in defence of their own gender - this week? 'Sex? Not before I know his credit rating!' Last week? 'Why is being an unmarried mother still a taboo?' And don't get me started on their constant blame (along with most of the mainstream media) of Rihanna for getting herself beaten up, the silly slut hmm and how she is duty bound to not go back to him despite the fact it takes a woman on average 7 beatings before she leaves an abusive relationship.

Two weeks ago? An interview with Yvette Cooper with the title 'if Ed demanded dinner at six he'd starve' - why are they even talking about it?! Just to remind us what most women do and how it's so, like, weird that she's a senior politician. Every day on MN I read of countless couples where the man cooks and it's just not a biggie, there's just no excuse for continually trotting out cliches.

It's just all so negative, reminding women of their place in the world, encouraging us to judge each other, bitchiness, jealousy.

I love the fashion, but really detest its editorial stance. It does look like feminism, I agree, but if you look at any of their non-fashion articles they're all the same, posing supposedly feminist questions that are about 40 years out of date.

(Sorry for getting on a downer, having a crap day and not feeling v lighthearted!)

<Slinks out of S and B to somewhere I can have a bunfight>

CambridgeBlue Thu 21-Feb-13 16:07:41

I hate all of these with a passion - so much so that I've pretty much given up on fashion reading fashion magazines and blogs. I get most of my inspiration from here these days.

My pet hate is 'all about' as in 'this season it's all about <insert further pointless fashion speak>'.

arniesidd Thu 21-Feb-13 16:20:52

I simply cannot abide the vacuous term "working that look' or 'rocking that look' aaaargh!!!
The ludicrous use of the singular - as outlined by many other MN'ers - the smokey eye, the red lip, the jean, the opaque tight etc etc makes me want to scream.
And don't even get me started on the ghastly and much over used 'luxe' violently voms
vintage too, what's bloody wrong with second hand, ffs??
Fashion writing is full of pretentious twaddle. Bah, got that off my chest.

QueefLatina Thu 21-Feb-13 17:31:56

Someone at J Crew has been listening to you lot!

An ad pop up has just come onto my PC as I was looking at another site.

I give you.......

'Housing the finest selection of well-curated, vintage inspired wares'


hippermiddleton Thu 21-Feb-13 17:40:07

'well-curated, vintage-inspired wares' - what are they selling? Amphorae? Greek serving plates?

dawntigga Thu 21-Feb-13 17:50:08

It's industry jargon that you would never have come across if it wasn't for the incestuous relationship between industry and press.

I'd never dream of saying colourway in day to day life but I'd use it if I was in industry iyswim.

IMNSHO the press have way to much influence on the industry, take, for example bloody capes. Anna Wintour, for some goddess forsaken reason, loves them - so every so often the press rave about them and normal people look at them and collectively say NO! They are due next year or the year after to make a brief come back.


sajaruss Thu 21-Feb-13 18:33:05

I give you:
Sparkly and edgy, this would look great with a classic shirt or worn as a collar over a simple knit.

BlackSwan Thu 21-Feb-13 18:34:21

"Achingly cool"

lashingsofbingeinghere Thu 21-Feb-13 19:31:12

Bit off topic but,
I still love this withering put down by Meryl/Miranda in The Devil Wears Prada when assistant Andy fails to get the point about fashion.

"You think this (fashion) has nothing to do with you. You go to your closet and you select... I don't know... that lumpy blue sweater, for instance because you're trying to tell the world that you take yourself too seriously to care about what you put on your back.
"But what you don't know is that that sweater is not just blue, it's not turquoise. It's not lapis. It's actually cerulean. And you're also blithely unaware of the fact that in 2002, Oscar de la Renta did a collection of cerulean gowns. And then I think it was Yves Saint Laurent... wasn't it who showed cerulean military jackets? I think we need a jacket here. And then cerulean quickly showed up in the collections of eight different designers. And then it, uh, filtered down through the department stores and then trickled on down into some tragic Casual Corner where you, no doubt, fished it out of some clearance bin.
"However, that blue represents millions of dollars and countless jobs and it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the fashion industry when, in fact, you're wearing the sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room from a pile of stuff."

MorrisZapp Thu 21-Feb-13 19:52:41

JumpHerWho, how do you think Grazia should handle the Rhianna/ Chris Brown story?

JumpHerWho Thu 21-Feb-13 20:19:49

Emaili from NaP, title is:

'Edit: Season-defining trends and game-changing pieces' grin

Morris - I'd like to see them focusing on the stats of how few women leave their violent partners for good. I'd like less 'why has she done this' and more 'why do men do this'. I'd like it to treat her as a fellow female in a bad situation, not judging her every move. It's not hard to do, but no one else in the (mainstream) media does it so I'm not surprised by their tack. By focusing on her response so much more than what was done to her, it becomes victim blaming.

Ruk898 Thu 21-Feb-13 20:50:50

"A slick of red" what are we putting on our lips engine oil??! And when papers talk about slebs being "dressed down" aka wearing clothes and "glitzing up the look" with a statement something.

I am 37 weeks pg so rocking whatever fits and keeps me warm with key pieces taken from my laundry.

MoodyDidIt Thu 21-Feb-13 20:54:21

i also hate the "off duty model look"

i mean , WTF does that even mean ?? a model not at work? well why not, just, ANYONE not at work confused

freddiemed Thu 21-Feb-13 22:09:17

"On trend" is the worst. Followed by that "pop of colour".

MrsDeVere Thu 21-Feb-13 22:18:18

I remember the Clothes Show.
They always used to talk in a peculiar alliterated way, in very short sentences.

A bit like they do on Top Gear only about frocks instead of cars.

I fecking hate those articles that talk about
'the trouser'
'the skirt'
'the blazer'

I could write for a fashion mag. 'This statement piece is the knit to be seen in. Eye popping colour gives any outfit that wow factor and looks straight off the catwalk. Rock the latest heroin chic, cowgirl fusion look with this ethic inspired, affordable must have. A snip at £560. The girls at Vapid Magazine are snapping them up in every colour!

LadyBigtoes Thu 21-Feb-13 22:47:06

JumpHer, I think we'd really need to chew the fat all evening over lots of wine and old copies of grazia.

You're right, some things should be beyond discussion, a la birgitte Nyborg's excellent response to the questioning of her role as a female pm. But I think the - admittedly not super-sophisticated - feminism in grazia works by just raising the equality issue wherever it may pop up. I don't think it's wrong to say "hmm, look at this sexist claptrap, what if it was the other way round, it's ok for a man to do it so we say it's ok for a woman." in fact that basic litmus test - to ask what if men were in this situation, would they betteed the same? - is a good one to live by as a feminist.

Re Chris and rihanna, what i see is grazia reminding us every single time they write about it exactly what he did to her. When they publish a headline like "oh no rihanna, don't have him back!" what's wrong with that? That's what I as a feminist would say to a female friend in her position. No one is responsible for dv against them, but people (mainly but not always women) do put up with it and the message that they shouldn't put up with it is an important one surely?

Yes, it's also essential to turn the focus on men and ask why they commit rape, dv etc. but grazia is aimed at women...

LadyBigtoes Thu 21-Feb-13 22:48:06

Betteed - I meant "be treated" stupid iPad.

Brassica Fri 22-Feb-13 08:49:31

For me the one that makes me get a bit stabby is how waists have to be "cinched in" with a belt. Every Single Time.

And where is it decreed that any article about makeup must be accompanied by pictures of crumbled eyeshadow, smears of eyeliner and broken lipstick?

Yes I hadn't thought about the broken lipsticks being ubiquitous Brassica - you're absolutely right. What a bloody waste!

Oblomov Fri 22-Feb-13 09:49:23

I too thought that AW13 was a postcode. I shall give up now.

headinhands Fri 22-Feb-13 11:54:39

Haven't read the thread but the phrase 'on trend' makes me want to disembowel myself with a rusty screwdriver grin

head I just love 'bang on trend' grin wtf??

AW13 postcode. Love it!

Southender Fri 22-Feb-13 12:37:09

I hate people saying "bang on trend" too. Even though it was the lovely Gok who started it off.

Fillyjonk75 Fri 22-Feb-13 13:23:03

I thought until recently that Boden made kitchen equipment (Bodum) which has led to some, er...confusing conversations. Also an acquaintance at book club was going on about "getting a Mulberry" (handbag as it turned out) and fortunately I didn't join in the conversation as I wondered if it was something like a BlackBerry, Apple, or Raspberry Pi? smile

ceeveebee Fri 22-Feb-13 14:33:38

Yey we made the talk roundup! First time for me

I work in the interiors industry & it's just as bad, but brilliantly satirised on Fuck Your Noguchi Coffee Table (can't link on my phone, sorry!)

StroppyPoppy Fri 22-Feb-13 17:32:48

I never understood the term 'colour block'. How was that a trend?

Surely it's just wearing a plain coloured top/skirt/ whatever?

Minimammoth Fri 22-Feb-13 18:06:16

I am heaving with laughing about the 'distressed yoga pant', yeh mine are so distressed they need counselling, mostly 'cos they have my huge bum in 'em. grin

Minimammoth Fri 22-Feb-13 18:07:42

And exactly how is grey/ brown/purple navy the new black? And what is the point of Alexa, does she do anything?

garlicbreeze Fri 22-Feb-13 20:01:06

Heh, there are no answers on this thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/sleb_twaddle/a1399488-what-does-alexa-chung-do-exactly wink

According to Wikipedia she's a part-time fashion journalist, TV presenter and model. I wonder when somebody will put up a page about me? I'm a part-time Mumsnetter, Facebooker and time-waster. Instead of coltish limbs, I sport buffaloish legs. When Mulberry names a product after me it'll be the Sack.

ClaraOswinOswald Fri 22-Feb-13 22:07:28

Is it peh-plum or pee-plum and what the bloody hell is that supposed to mean anyway??!!

KarlosKKrinkelbeim Fri 22-Feb-13 22:14:17

The obvious response to Meryl/Miranda's "put down" is "so fucking what." choosing sweaters for people isn't power. It's just choosing sweaters. i do it for my kids every day. Only morons think this is matters. I like to look nice as much as anyone, but "fashion people" thinking they're important make me laugh.

merrymouse Sat 23-Feb-13 09:53:13

I think this might be more interior magazines than fashion magazines, but I hate 'sourced from' when they mean 'bought from'.

fridgepants Sat 23-Feb-13 11:11:27

'Boyfriend jeans' only work if you're wee - if, like me, you are the height of an average man, they just look silly and unflattering.

reminds me of when I pulled on my ex's jeans accidentally when heading to the loo and three inches of leg stuck out the end. I looked like Robinson Crusoe. Poor guy already had a Napoleon complex...

fridgepants Sat 23-Feb-13 11:12:35

Oh, this is more a beauty blog thing than a print thing - so far - but I hate 'haul' ie. 'stuff I bought from the shops'

RedPencils Sat 23-Feb-13 11:19:02

'sourced from' - I loathe that term about anything. I saw a thread on here talking about Christmas presents and someone was talking about sourcing lego. ffs you can buy it in Asda.
Now, if you've taken the trouble to track down a Himalayn goat herd, bartered for its wool and then tracked down a Nepalese weaver to hand tie your rug, I'll give you 'sourcing'. Not if you've just spent half an hour on the internet and buying a rug from a shop in Birmingham.

Mrsrobertduvall Sat 23-Feb-13 11:20:19

I do not understand luxe at all.

Dd 16 came down this morning channelling a chiffon blouse.
She opened the door, felt the icy blast from Russia and is now sensibly wearing layers and a hoody.

ujjayi Sat 23-Feb-13 12:03:39

Redpencils I fully support your definition of "sourced".

I cannot stand the term "curated" being used in fashion. Unless you are putting together an exhibition for the V&A, you just bought stuff.

PretzelTime Sat 23-Feb-13 12:49:34

I assume "curate" means that you are careful with what you keep and display in your collection - well, what you have in your wardrobe.

RedPencils Sat 23-Feb-13 13:26:33

So a bin bag full of old stuff shoved in the loft isnt a 'curated collection of pieces' then?

PretzelTime Sat 23-Feb-13 14:05:54

I think that would be called an off-season vintage collection wink

florascotia Sat 23-Feb-13 14:34:52

What about 'ditsy' ?? When - and why - did it stop meaning 'endearingly scatter-brained or eccentric' (describing a person) and start to be used for fabrics featuring lots of small flowers? As in 'a ditsy print'.

And why is it used ALL THE TIME....? For any small pattern, on anything, it seems.

speedyboots Sat 23-Feb-13 14:38:08



Snog Sat 23-Feb-13 19:04:24

I'm no fashionista but I LOVE fashion speak just because the language is entertaining.
The exception for me is "piece" and "investment dressing" which are overdone and quite w@ank imo
As for "channelling" - do you guys not channel other people on a daily basis, be it about clothes or language or attitude etc? Are you just yourself, ALL DAY?
Quel ennui
I bore myself too much to just be myself

Minimammoth Sat 23-Feb-13 23:41:28

And what exactly is a 'pussy cat' bow.

PretzelTime Sun 24-Feb-13 11:03:45

A stylish bow you put on your kitten if you live in a posh Victorian household.

Rosyisgonnabeamummy Sun 24-Feb-13 12:11:02

How many people actually do office to dinner?
I don't think the ivy would let me in wearing my work uniform. Infection control and all that

magazinefiend Sun 24-Feb-13 13:27:34

And why does anything leather have to be described as 'buttersoft"...

RedPencils Sun 24-Feb-13 13:34:18

I don't think the ivy would let me in wearing my work uniform. Infection control and all that grin
When I was a single girl in my 20's an worked in city centre I often used to go out straight after work. We used to take going out clothes and get ready in the loos all afternoon just after work. Why would you go out in your normal office clothes?

Earhat Sun 24-Feb-13 15:57:51

I am currently sporting a twosie, a trouser and a knit thrown together over a 'bod' which will no doubt be called upon to 'spring into detox' in order to get 'bikini ready' so I can rock my abs on Richard Branson's Island later in the year.

In the meantime I will be 'piling on supersize chic layers and a pair of killing, sorry killer, heals to walk the dog (who will sit in my Mulbury Cara, Alexa, Captain Ahura hand bag). Caio x

Earhat Sun 24-Feb-13 16:45:22

Also - Fit Flops, really?

CocoNutter Sun 24-Feb-13 17:06:03

I love Mumsnet. It's full of mostly normal, sensible people for whom the use of 'tee' and 'knit' is just as irritating as it is for me grin

FunnyLittleFrog Sun 24-Feb-13 17:54:18

I like Jess Carter thingy...

'There is a woeful paucity of role models in the important skill of teaming a 60-denier opaque with an interesting outfit'


Snog Wed 27-Feb-13 19:01:29

I often go out for dinner straight from work and never change my outfit to do this. I need serious help.

ArethaSnellHutt Fri 01-Mar-13 23:11:28

In town yesterday walking past Burtons, massive sticker in the window advertising "The Baseball Sweat" made me heave!

Xenia Sun 28-Apr-13 12:00:56

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