But its very good quality polyester

(73 Posts)
MrsCampbellBlack Thu 31-Jan-13 12:54:51

This is what the assistant in Jigsaw told me today when I queried the cost of 100% polyester blouse - it was £89.

This is after the assistant in Whistles told me last year but its french polyester when I laughed a 100% polyester top being £195.

Honestly do these stores think we're stupid!

justasecond Thu 31-Jan-13 12:57:14

I agree, its all out of control atm. I think polyester has a place but not with those sorts of price tags.

PoppyWearer Thu 31-Jan-13 12:59:56

£99 knitted hoodie from Superdry really shocked me. At that price I expected it to be at least wool, possibly cashmere-mix. But no, it arrived and was 100% synthetic. £99! shock

Returned it and bought it £40 cheaper in the sale. Still a bit angry at paying £60 for a synthetic knit. I know, it's the branding, but this jumper didn't even have any branding.

EarlyInTheMorning Thu 31-Jan-13 13:03:15

Polyester CAN be of very high quality
Still, I'm sick of it as it's all you find in the shops at the moment, and it's not the good stuff at all

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Thu 31-Jan-13 13:06:02

I was commenting only the other day about the huge amount of polyester clothes at the moment and how expensive the blouses are. I love the designs on them but I loathe polyester

MrsCampbellBlack Thu 31-Jan-13 13:12:49

I loathe polyester too and seriously this blouse felt like the type of blouse you'd pick up in next for £15.

I'd love to know how much of this high price polyester sells - I bet it all ends up in the sales.

niminypiminy Thu 31-Jan-13 13:15:51

Polyester has its place, though. I have a couple of pairs of polyester trousers, very heavy fabric, fully lined, beautifully tailored. They hang beautifully, don't cling (becaus of the lining), wash in the machine, dry instantly, and need virtually no ironing. What's not to like?

bishboschone Thu 31-Jan-13 13:21:29

At least it's washable ?? ( clutches at straws )

MrsCampbellBlack Thu 31-Jan-13 13:24:54

I just hate the feel of it which is a personal thing but its the crazy pricing that makes me cross.

neriberi Thu 31-Jan-13 13:30:00

My friend is a fashion designer at a top UK design house, I was talking to her about polyester and why its used so much and she said its because its easy to work with, a damn good substitute for silk and cheap to buy. Personally I can't stand the stuff...

MrsCampbellBlack Thu 31-Jan-13 13:43:00

Interesting neriberi.

I actually think that some of the shops are hoping people don't check the labels and think a top is silk because of the price of it.

I hate woven viscose too though - I am clearly fussy wink

noddyholder Thu 31-Jan-13 13:45:24

I like it for certain things but £89

niminypiminy Thu 31-Jan-13 14:06:40

I think it's horses for courses, personally. There's some really nasty, cheap cotton fabric out there that wears thin, snags and finally rips in no time at all. And you spend your life ironing it.

I've just bought a pair of viscose crepe (ie woven) trousers from Cos. You'd pay a lot more than £79 to get the quality and cut in natural fibre. And then you'd have to dry clean the damn things because they're wool. So far I haven't found creasing to be a problem, and they feel and hang beautifully.

Polyester is polyester to me. I can pick up any number of polyester items in Primark at a fraction of the cost, but paying well over the odds for a labelled bit of polyester is crazy says her in a 90% viscose top blush

noddyholder Thu 31-Jan-13 14:16:12

Niminy I buy lots in cos and love it as not much of it needs ironed. I like the drape of heavy poly although I know there can be some tat

Tweet2tweet Thu 31-Jan-13 14:28:50

Polyester to me = sweat and wet armpits! Expensive, cheap whatever- I call it 'Evil Fabric'!!!!

MrsCampbellBlack Thu 31-Jan-13 14:48:00

Tweet - I'm with you on the sweaty front.

It reminds me of a fabric from my childhood - crimplene.

I do have a ponte jacket though with I know is just polyester but it was cheap.

I also don't mind ironing which I know makes me a freak on here.

niminypiminy Thu 31-Jan-13 15:39:53

I have a lovely bright yellow nylon dress from Cos which I adore.

EarlyInTheMorning Thu 31-Jan-13 15:49:09

What's COS sizing like?

niminypiminy Thu 31-Jan-13 15:52:53

It's variable. Some of their stuff is very fitted indeed, and some is meant to stand away from the body. I generally go larger rather than smaller as I think things look more flattering if they're not too tight.

orangeandlemons Thu 31-Jan-13 15:59:54

I teach textile science. Polyester is cheapo cheapo to produce. Cheaper than any other fibre which is why it is used so widely, it's only other advantage is it doesn't,t crease much or need ironing. It has it's place for trousers and coats, but not IMO for tops. You can get better quality polyester, but it is still cheap as chips to produce. So I am afraid I think it is bollocks that Jigsaw are giving out his shit about high quality polyester. Other fibres are getting more expensive to produce which is why polyester is so rampant at the moment, but£89 for a polyester top is aa absolute rip off.

I have watched this polyester tide with interest over the last few years...what amazes me is some people will pay these sort of prices for it

QueenBOObread Thu 31-Jan-13 16:10:25

I was saying the other day about a skirt in Agnes B.

£295 for polyester! But like a fool I went back and tried it on. The bugger clung to me and made my hair stand on end. Who buys these things? confused

Chandon Thu 31-Jan-13 16:13:08

The only manmade fibre I can abide is viscose or rayon.

I DO check labels.

So far White Company is a polyester free haven, as is Brora, and Toast ( all ££££ though) Though it may be creeping in!

AwkwardSquad Thu 31-Jan-13 17:10:24

It's creeping in at Toast - they had one or two pieces (yes, pieces. So shoot me, Breton top haterz wink) this A/W season. The Ava skirt for example.

Mrsap Thu 31-Jan-13 18:09:09

Why? Oh why? Polyester just makes me sweat all day. And I don't think it does fall that well. Always gets s clingy. It was about in the 70s a lot hence all the ladies if then wore underskirts.....which were also made of polyester!? blush

MrsCampbellBlack Thu 31-Jan-13 20:24:33

It is such a 70's fabric isn't it - I remember women wearing crimplene dresses then - who'd have thought 30 years later its the Emperor's new fabric

orangeandlemons Thu 31-Jan-13 20:25:36

Isn't the wonderful ponte the new crimpelene?

orangeandlemons Thu 31-Jan-13 20:28:21

I'm sick of the whole polyester thing. I have money to spend and want to buy some new clothes, but can't find any. Surely some shop somewhere is losing my custom.

I wish there was somewhere we could raise this issue. British fashion council?

Mrsap Thu 31-Jan-13 20:32:25

Oh my memories. Tea round at the old lady next door. She had a lot of Crimplene and about a 1000 parrots.

The mere memory has made me need lie down on my (100% cotton sheets) bed!

My grandparents still have, wait for it.....polyester bedding. My DH refuses to stay there!

MrsCampbellBlack Thu 31-Jan-13 20:33:38

Oh god - bobbly polyester sheets [has a little lie down]

Mrsap Thu 31-Jan-13 20:36:21

You wouldn't want to lie down on them! They r frilly, flamingo pink and they also use polyester blankets, all covered by a delightful matching polyester bed spread. Oh yes, curtains and light fittings to match too.

It is like walking into my own personal hell. They r great grandparents thogringrin

orangeandlemons Thu 31-Jan-13 20:44:04

I remember nylon sheets when little. Getting in to bed with a nylon nightie and watching the sparks!

Fond memories. Still hate the bloody stuff though!

Mrsap Thu 31-Jan-13 20:49:08

Orangesandlemons, you've just brought back a whole load of repressed memories.

Nylon nighties. shock Am shuddering at that memory. What were they all thinking?

MrsCampbellBlack Thu 31-Jan-13 20:51:48

No wonder everyone was so scared of paraffin heaters - god we'd have been up in flames

Mrsap Thu 31-Jan-13 21:06:47

gringringrin

Although not laughing about going up in flames. It's more the idea of all the man made fibre. Just making me chuckle. Mind u it could be that the 3rd G&T had tipped me over the edge.

Startail Thu 31-Jan-13 21:07:26

I'm a SAHM, I want to be warm and sometimes I do stuff were I need to be smartish.

I want good thick cotton jersey tops and tunics. Not paper thin cotton, flimsy sweaty see through polyester or useless viscose that needs ironing. And I don't want to pay White Stuff prices unless their fabric gets thicker.

orangeandlemons Thu 31-Jan-13 21:14:04

I want silkgrin

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 31-Jan-13 21:16:17

Startail - have you looked at Seasalt? It isn't all to my taste, but I have a lovely heavy cotton top from there that is warm and comfy to wear and best of all if hung correctly when damp doesn't need ironing.

I hate polyester, sweaty and revolting. How long will this go on? You can't even machine wash it all.

orangeandlemons Thu 31-Jan-13 21:19:19

mrs CB. Just re read your original post. Lol at French polyester. It all comes from frigging China, unless perchance it was exclusively handcrafted in French villages....you know...where they have access to huge petrochemical plants and artisan polyester production.

French polyester my arse...wish I'd have been there, I would have wiped the floor with her.

PoppyWearer Thu 31-Jan-13 21:42:58

I second Seasalt, very lovely thick cotton, am wearing one of their tops now, not the most stylish but was vcheap in their sale.

PretzelTime Thu 31-Jan-13 22:40:14

Yeah, ugh, polyester. Expensive, special polyester, I just don't get it. I think this is thread #46546 I'm hating on the devil's fabric btw.
It's so hard to find OK quality stuff now.
Thirding Seasalt, wish they would make solid colour tops and not only stripe-ahem, Bretons.

AwkwardSquad Fri 01-Feb-13 07:26:17

I fourth Seasalt. It washes really well.

Absy Fri 01-Feb-13 07:35:21

I hear you. I hate all this polyester, it's just getting ridiculous. I will occassionally concede polyester bottoms (as then you don't sweat as much), but defo not for tops (actually, I have one but it cost £1.50, what you should pay for poylester).

The most ridic item I saw was a beautiful dress in Hugo Boss, flame coloured - really gorgeous. It was around £500, which is steep but I thought "well, at least it will be silk". Nope. Fucking Polyester - £500 for a polyester dress. I still haven't recovered from that.

Tweet2tweet Fri 01-Feb-13 12:12:58

A shop assistant once told me that you can't sweat in 'modern' polyester. They will tell you anything to sell stuff.

MrsCampbellBlack Fri 01-Feb-13 12:25:07

Tweet - that's hilarious.

I feel sorry for the shop assistants - they look embarassed spewing forth the crap to be honest.

woozlebear Fri 01-Feb-13 12:47:15

I was reading the posts thinking 'Ooh, I'll have to recomend Seasalt', and two people already have, so I'll third it. Lovely natural fabrics, good thick quality. Great company to deal with. Everything is 100% wool, cotton and linen.

I find it easy to avoid polyester tops as I dress fairly simply and find it fairly easy to track down plain cotton tops although get annoyed by bad quality ones that crease and go saggy within half an hour, go crunchy in the wash. It's also hard to find smooth, smart ones that aren't see through for a reasonable price. So many are gossamer-thin or roughly woven and too casual looking to be versatile.

My biggest bugbear is the lack of woollen jumpers around. Everything cheap is acrylic or some godforsaken mix involving about 2% cashmere (enabling a label cooing 'cashmere blend' and a 20 quid price hike) and 10% angora (why?? all it does it bobble!) and everything 'nice' is cashmere at absurd prices and often shocking quality too. M&S used to a decent range ot 100% lamsbwool/merino jumpers which is now virtually non-existent. Uniqlo used to be good until they decided to make their stuff so thin it would barely be warm enough in summer, and also showed whatever you were wearing underneath and call it 'Superfine' as if that's somehow a selling point. Pure used to be ok but their prices have gone silly, and their supposedly bargain 'cashmere merino' blend range is just an insult to my intelligence. Most of my winter wardrobe (well, the top part) comes from Woolovers for this reason. Love them.

Who are the people happy to buy all this cr*p?

woozlebear Fri 01-Feb-13 12:49:47

Ok, so actually I fifth Seasalt smile

Pseudonymity Fri 01-Feb-13 12:58:21

I don't like polyester. Unfortunately it's on the rise. The reason is that natural fabrics are a limited resource - cotton is now v. expensive and resource heavy to produce. Cashmere is only produced in a tiny amount which can't be increased. Silk has become very expensive I've noticed, I remember when you could buy a silk tee in NEXT! Basically, far more people in the world now want these fabrics, there is no more capacity for production so the price just goes up. Sorry to bang on but I think it's interesting when fashion meets politics/real life etc. I'm a total fashion lover too!

neriberi Fri 01-Feb-13 13:51:46

I check the labels on everything I buy now, I much much prefer the feel and smell of natural fibres. Polyester just has this weird "wet dog" whiff about it IMO.

niminypiminy Fri 01-Feb-13 14:07:27

Cotton production is a major factor in environmental degradation and habitat loss, due to the huge quantities of water and pesticides used. For some years now commodity prices (cotton and wool among them) have been rising, and so have manufacturing costs in the third world, where most clothes we wear are produced. And as Pseudonymity says, as consumers in China, India and elsewhere get better off they are demanding goods made from these materials, and more of them. Since global capitalism depends on rising consumption, this is probably a good thing -- but where you have a finite resource, it will mean that the price of that resource will rise.

All these things mean that clothes will get more expensive. Retailers are responding to consumer demand for cheap clothes by substituting polyester cotton-poly blends and for pure cotton. But even at the higher end of the high street, costs are rising sharply and retailers are looking at substituting for natural fibres. Clothes are astoundingly cheap now (relative to our incomes) than they were even a couple of decades ago. We have become used to living in a situation where we expect to buy clothes made in natural fibres very cheaply -- while we were able to do so it was because artificial fertilizers, pesticides and intensive irrigation, plus scandalously cheap labour and good exchange rates. We will have to get used to a situation where we no longer can.

Btw, Seasalt may be all natural fibres, but the designs are so dowdy!

orangeandlemons Fri 01-Feb-13 15:37:00

Yeah, cotton is actually more polluting to the environment than the production of polyester. Soon they will be trying to add an environmentally friendly label to polyester.....

GetOrf Fri 01-Feb-13 15:39:28

I love French Polyester! They must see people coming.

I don't mind it for some things - but they would have to be cheap. No way would I spend more than 30, 40 quid on something made from polyester.

woozlebear Fri 01-Feb-13 15:57:07

Btw, Seasalt may be all natural fibres, but the designs are so dowdy!

I love the way you say 'btw' as if people are going to suddenly think 'Oh yeah, of course, they're really dowdy, how silly of me not to have noticed. Oh well, I'll stop liking them now'.

harbingerofdoom Fri 01-Feb-13 16:07:22

woozlebear, I agree with you about the thin jumpers at Uniqlo. If they were twice (or even 1 1/2 times) as thick they would be perfect.

Woolovers is ace and also have very good customer service.

niminypiminy Fri 01-Feb-13 16:11:57

I don't mind if you like Seasalt - I just think their clothes are really dowdy.

It might be a close-run thing whether polyester or cotton is the more environmentally unfriendly. You would have to factor in energy costs for all the stages in production (artificial fertiliser for example has incredibly high energy costs), water usage, pollutants involved in production, biodegradability, energy used in producing the garments and in their dyeing and maintenance.

It's not that I love polyester more than cotton, just that I think the era of cheap cotton, and of cheap clothes generally, may well be behind us.

woozlebear Fri 01-Feb-13 16:37:28

niminy I think you're right to a large extent certainly with the super-cheap end of the market, but don't the few and far between shops that do make good quality reasonably priced natural fibre clothes (trendiness of said clothes aside) indicate that a large amount of the problem is just a lot of retailers realising they can get away with it and just lining their pockets by selling bad quality tat at inflated prices?

Re the environmental factors - a big consideration surely is the most polyster isn't biodegradable?

And I'm glad you don't mind my liking Seasalt. Very relieved wink

noddyholder Fri 01-Feb-13 16:40:36

Seasalt aren't they tunics and leggings shock maternity style?

woozlebear Fri 01-Feb-13 16:45:00

Some tunics and leggings, lots of striped tops, linen skirts and trousers, some print dresses, nice knitwear (I think).

Pseudonymity Fri 01-Feb-13 16:56:56

I don't know Seasalt. There are lots of factors but the 'top end' of the high street, e.g. Whistles, Jaeger, Jigsaw etc. have relied on the low cost of fabric for years to bring 'designer level' clothes to the high street. Now prices have risen so something had to give. Maintaining brands like that is a high cost affair, I sometimes wonder how long Whistles and Jigsaw will last as no-one seems to go in them anymore in my very affluent but outside London city. It was a bit insane when 'throwaway' kind of outlets such as Tesco started doing Cashmere and Primark doing tees for a couple of quid. There had to be something wrong somewhere, it's the bad side of capitalism unfortunately.

Pseudonymity Fri 01-Feb-13 17:09:13

Btw, I'm not sure kind of Puritan! Just interested in the subject. I am a fashion addict but love the idea that I would just invest in a few very high quality items per year. Sadly, I am very far away from that ideal grin

orangeandlemons Fri 01-Feb-13 22:15:49

Cotton is more polluting because of all the processes it has to go through which use lakes of water, bleaches, finishes, fertilisers, dyes. Dye fixes etc etc. When polyester is made, the dye is just added to the liquid solution which makes the fibres. It requires very little bleaching or other processes as it all takes place at the liquid stage, so little water usage. Still uses fossil fue though.........

woozlebear I agree, absolutely can't stand acrylic especially. Won't buy anything with acrylic in it because it bobbles and looks like a rag quickly. The only thing is it's so hard to find non frumpy 100% natural fibre knitwear.

KristinaM Fri 01-Feb-13 22:32:34

I'm with the fussy Mrs Campbell black. Stuck up enough to destest polyester and old enough to remember Crimpalene wink

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 01-Feb-13 22:40:27

niminy - you do have to be careful with Seasalt, but I am a SAHM to 2 little boys, one just started school, the other at home with me. Natural fibre clothes than don't crease too badly and wash well and don't leave me a sweaty mess after a battle royal nappy change are v.hard to find!

PoppyWearer Fri 01-Feb-13 23:17:49

Seasalt is dowdy good for Breton tops but all I need as a SAHM this time of year, clothes are under coats outside of the house anyway!

PretzelTime Fri 01-Feb-13 23:27:24

I actually agree about Seasalt but they're the only ones I can think of with good natural fabrics and not super high prices.

It would be great to hear more shop recommendations.

I have one polyester item currently, a skirt...the useless thing started to pill after only a few wears.

bringmeroses Fri 01-Feb-13 23:31:23

Seasalt has a wide-ish range and should have something for any Fat Face/White Stuff fans. Lovely fabrics that wash and wear v well.

Agree with Niminy that clothes have got far too cheap. I like H&M for natural fibres at v reasonable prices.

As to OPs question, no they don't think you're stupid, just that you can afford it and you won't mind. I'm always staggered at high end clothes prices in magazines, by which I mean the likes of Hobbs, Whistles etc, though I know you can pay a lot more for proper designers. I guess some people must have massive clothing budgets but I don't know any of them.

Startail Fri 01-Feb-13 23:38:57

I have a sea salt tunic, it's lovely heavy fabric, but the pattern is loud circles. circles. I'm sure every one remembers it the second time I wear it.

This years are dowdy, I don't need another striped too, the only nice cotton tops you can get are stripped.

I have a M&S, Sea Salt, sainsburys and black and white one from I can't remember I do not want another stripped top.

This country generates, how many fashion graduates a year?
Surely we can have something other than stripes or ditsy flowers that is tasteful?

SueFawley Sat 02-Feb-13 11:15:36

Interesting thread for me to read as I know very little about fabrics.
I understand the difference between natural and man made fabrics, but are viscose and acrylic the same as polyester? I mean, would the label say 'polyester' on it or would it have some wonderfully euphemistic name? grin

orangeandlemons Sat 02-Feb-13 11:54:51

No viscose is made from regenerated wood pulp but has loads of chemicals added to it. Polyester and acrylic are both oil based. What pisses me off is when companies refer to natural fibres and they mean viscose!

SueFawley Sat 02-Feb-13 12:06:45

Thanks oranges I clearly need to educate myself about this. Just had a quick look through my wardrobe and there's a lot of viscose in there, but no polyester at this point. A few acrylic sweaters too - which always crackle when I take them off and make my hair stand on end.
Time to up my game to better quality when I'm clothes shopping.

issimma Sat 02-Feb-13 13:08:01

Another natural fibre devotee here. And another vote for woolovers for plain jumpers in lambs wool/merino/cashmere at non-insane prices.
I don't buy polyester, acrylic or nylon blends. Too sweaty, bobbly and not warm.

What's modal?

GobblersKnob Sat 02-Feb-13 13:35:34

Modal is another made from wood pulp as is Rayon I think?

Hemp is an excellent lower enviromenal impact fabric as it requires no pesticides, bamboo is good too.

Some places to buy natural and 'green' clothes

Komodo

Braintree

People Tree

Frank and Faith

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