Fashion and beauty mysteries- what are you too afraid to ask?

(271 Posts)
AlwaysSleepingBeauty Wed 30-Jan-13 21:35:36

I hope that someone might help with mine... how on earth does one pronounce Space NK please? I was going to ask in the shop, but the man in the blue eyeshadow is too scary blush

MortifiedAdams Wed 30-Jan-13 21:37:06

I dont know but in my head I say "Space Ink"

My Q: how exactly does one do a sock bun?

winefairy Wed 30-Jan-13 21:41:12

Space N K. Initials. Stands for the founder Nicky Kinnaird.

MaeMobley Wed 30-Jan-13 21:44:01

Agree with Winefairy re Space NK.

My Q: how do I learn to file my nails? I cannot get a nice shape and it makes my toes curl.

AlwaysSleepingBeauty Wed 30-Jan-13 21:47:15

Oh thank you! That is how I've being saying it in my head, but my best friend insists it is Space Unk.

To do a sock bun, cut the toes off a sock so that you have a sort of funny tube, then roll it up so you get a little doughnut/polo sock thingy. Put you hair in a ponytail, and slip the sock thingy over the end, away from your head but with a bit of hair sticking out. Wrap the ends of your hair around the sock bun until it is covered, tucking underneath the sock thing any ends that might be sticking out. Keep rolling the sock towards your head, tucking as you go until it meets you head.

There are lots of nice shiny tutorials online that will help you more though!

wifeofdoom Wed 30-Jan-13 22:21:31

What can I get so I can wash my hair the night before and it looks ok the next morning (with brushing obviously otherwise would look like a mad woman)? Have fine hair just above shoulders and it goes all kinked and wierd overnight.

GingerLemonTea Wed 30-Jan-13 22:36:05

Maemobley, my nails are much better shape just by using the Leighton Denny, ?glass nail file. Didn't like it on first attempt, now love it. Nails break less often too & just look more groomed.

Iaintdunnuffink Wed 30-Jan-13 22:45:18

I want someone to tell me how much make up to put on. I dab on the tiniest amount and think it looks very noticeable. That's with bb creams, tinted moisturiser, all those of foundation. Then I see everyone else in the office with anything from OMG OrANGe, to I can see it but they look perfectly nice. No one bats an eyelid at any of them.

It doesn't help that due to my skin I have many freckles and very uneven colour. Parts of my body that see the sun are a very different colour from the bits that don't. I can have a nearly tanned face with tons of merged freckles, to a pasty white neck. Then, on the pale scale, I've a yellow tone and not pink.

I've been rejected by the girls on the make up counters !!

ggirl Wed 30-Jan-13 23:01:34

wifeofdoom I have exactly the same problem..I want an answer as well. I hate having to wash and dry my hair every morning

AlwaysSleepingBeauty Wed 30-Jan-13 23:04:09

If your hair is long enough, try separating it into two, and the. Twisting each one until it wraps around itself at about ear level. Put a band around each one to hold it in place, then unravel in the morning and comb through as desired with your fingers. You should get a sort of glamourous wave/curl.

QueenCadbury Thu 31-Jan-13 09:50:56

For filing nails I read that you should mirror the shape of the cuticle to give a natural look.

LadyBigtoes Thu 31-Jan-13 10:16:02

I want to know do people really, REALLY go to a beauty salon and have all their pubic AND ANAL hair waxed which must involve showing your entire nether regions to a stranger (or even worse if you get to know them!). How? I can hardly bear to show mine to the doctor! What if you have a post-pregnancy pile!!!??? I would just die of embarrassment.

I say Space N. K. but Space "unk" is better, think I prefer that.

ProlificWillyBreeder Thu 31-Jan-13 10:34:08

What foundation will even out my skin tone?
I want to just rub it in and it all blend beautifully.
What nail colour is in currently? Why can no one tell me this? I want to wear truffle/grey.

ihatethecold Thu 31-Jan-13 10:39:45

I wonder that also.
I know people at school
That do other mums bits

There is no way anyone I know would see my nether regions. No way!!

dexter73 Thu 31-Jan-13 11:01:13

Ladybigtoes - one of the mums at school is a nurse and she did my last smear test. That was an awkward moment (for me anyway!) when I opened the door and there she was with the speculum!

libertychick Thu 31-Jan-13 11:15:49

I am going to have to try that tip for overnight hair Alwaysleepingbeauty.

The total hair removal thing grosses me out too LadyBigtoes but the idea of having to do it to someone else is even worse!

I am in awe of people who can paint their own nails neatly - how do you do it?

Jemster Thu 31-Jan-13 11:19:23

How do you get rid of nostril hairs? Tried tweezers bloody kills!

JML beauty wand.

joliejolie Thu 31-Jan-13 11:36:51

I can't imagine having to do a back, crack and sack to a man in a salon. I have a friend who's a beauty therapist and she says it's not too bad and you just get used to it! Erm...I don't think I could. hmm

LadyBigToes - I can confirm that I do indeed have everything waxed, yes right up to my hairy asshole. I'm quite good mates with beautician now. I honestly don't think about it that much. I have an appointment tomorrow in fact smile

Jemster - I agree about nostril hair, it hurts more than waxing !

naturelover Thu 31-Jan-13 13:12:14

I have always wanted to ask what is the point of waxing (this applies to any body part). Because don't you have to live with stubble for almost as long as the hair-free period?

I can't picture myself having to wear trousers for however many days/weeks it is until the stubble is long enough to wax. At least with shaving you can (if you can be bothered) be hair-free every day. In our too-short summers I want to wear skirts or shorts and sleeveless tops every single day that it's hot enough!

piprabbit Thu 31-Jan-13 13:16:06

How do women get hairless, pale, pinky arm pits?
Not matter how I remove my underarm hair, I always have 5 o'clock shadow.

I only wax my bikini as I get awful shaving rash & ingrown hairs which waxing sorts for me. I do proabably spend more time with stubble than hair free.
I shave armpits & legs though.

I don't have a 5 o'clock shadow Pip but they aren't pinky grin - I tried waxing my armpits once and the pain was horrendous and it didn't even last 2 days. I tend to shave in lots of different directions (if that makes sense), I also can't shave them everyday as I get a rash.

Labootin Thu 31-Jan-13 13:23:05

Iaintdun I mix the tiniest dab of bb cream with normal moisturiser (literally a dot)

I have never got on with any foundation,mineral make up or tinted moisturiser (and I have tried virtually every make ) it sits on my skin.. The only minor success I had was with no 7 intelligent foundation, which used to be fab then I moved to another continent and it just didn't work.

luckily I do have very good skin (possibly as it's not been caked in make up ?)

dotty2 Thu 31-Jan-13 13:36:02

I don't know how to apply lipstick. I can't get the edge neat enough and always think I look far too made up. Mostly I don't care, but about once a year I would like to look a bit more glam.

Absy Thu 31-Jan-13 13:45:10

I think the hollywood actresses and what not who have NO underarm hair must have had it lasered. That is the only explanation I can think of.

For neat nailpolishing, I think it's down to practice on the one hand, or my slightly barking method - moisturise your hands before (so the skin is slightly oily), but then clean the nails with remover so that they aren't. Paint with gay abandon (don't be too bothered about going over the lines). Wait to dry - peel the extra bits that went over the nail and onto the skin off and tah dah! tidier looking nails.

piprabbit Thu 31-Jan-13 13:47:18

Hmm - lasering. You might be right.

MadameOvary Thu 31-Jan-13 13:53:21

Those with hair+sleep issues: try a silk pillowcase. Bloody marvellous.

Mockingcurl Thu 31-Jan-13 17:25:53

How do people keep their lipstick on longer than five minutes? I have tried all the lip brush, blotting and powder tips. None of them work.

mrspolkadotty Thu 31-Jan-13 17:35:44

How do you get eyeliner to stay put and not descend into 'panda' territory? Mine seems to end up everywhere within a couple of hours! x

ggirl Thu 31-Jan-13 17:37:00

MadameOvary I tried a silk pilowcase , didn't work at all , in fact made my head sweaty .
Haven't got long enough hair to tie up.

I have toyed with the idea of a hairnet <<bwahahah>>>

I have no armpit hair. It just never grew.
However my bikini line is rampant and I just cannot steel myself to have it waxed. So I use a hedge trimmer thing to keep it neat

Beaverfeaver Thu 31-Jan-13 18:23:36

I wash hair at night and when I wake up in the morning, if its a bit kinky , I turn my head upside down and blow dry it for no more than 10 seconds whilst brushing it through.
Then it looks 100% fresh (and has a bit more volume too!)

Beaverfeaver Thu 31-Jan-13 18:24:34

I shave mine just once ir twice a week and use Nivea roll on deodorant for beautiful underarms and I think they do look better

Beaverfeaver Thu 31-Jan-13 18:25:31

My kohl pencils always fall down within an hour or so, so I bought a felt tip pen eyeliner (borjois and no7 do good ones)

Now it stays put all day

WipsGlitter Thu 31-Jan-13 18:32:58

Does that not give a really "hard" line beaverfever ?

FullLegBikiniandUnderArm Thu 31-Jan-13 18:56:47

MrsPolkaDot - I struggled for years with the whole eyeliner/mascara panda thing and then a lovely make-up counter lady told me I was using the wrong eye makeup remover. It was an oil based one (either the Clinique or Lancôme one that you have to shake to mix). I was using it every night and the next day the eye makeup basically just slid off my eyes. Also Estée Lauder double wear eyeliner is great for staying all day.

BerryBlast Thu 31-Jan-13 21:08:26

How do you sharpen a retractable eyeliner? the type in plastic casing with just the waxy eyeliner poking out --- it's driving me mad (or madder than normal smile)

jackstini Thu 31-Jan-13 21:23:15

mockingcurl - lipcote - old but good!

ggirl Thu 31-Jan-13 21:55:44

BerryBlast try pulling off the other end off the eyepencil..sometimes there is a teeny tiny sharpener in there. I know I was surprised!!

QuinnFabray Thu 31-Jan-13 22:19:48

Why do I have coarse black body hair, and lots of it? Why is it on my face too, even more so now I'm getting older? Why do I have crap thin, lank greasy hair? Why is my skin an oil slick, clogged, covered in broken red veins, and yet at the same time ageing rapidly? I scrub up okay, but it takes SO much more effort than nearly every other woman I know. Why? Why? It's not fair!!These are my beauty mysteries.

QuinnFabray Thu 31-Jan-13 22:21:21

Oh, and whereabouts in Boots does one find Lipcote please?

AmandaPayne Thu 31-Jan-13 22:55:00

I have abandoned eyeliner. Instead I use a MAC eyeliner brush and the dark eyeshadow you always get a in any palette. Damp brush, dip, line. I am totally cack (sp?) handed but tis easy and stays all day.

My question is why have I got old lady hands at 35 and what can I do (which is dirt cheap and compatible with toddlers. Possibly answering my own first question there).

libertychick Thu 31-Jan-13 23:54:06

Absy thanks for the nail tip - I will give it a go.
Quinn this is great for staying on top of facial hair.

KristinaM Fri 01-Feb-13 00:24:00

Do women who are not sex workers get their bits waxed? It sounds painful, expensive and embarrassing and I can't work out why you would do it .

Absy Fri 01-Feb-13 07:21:44

because otherwise I get pubes going halfway down my thigh, which is not pleasant and not a good look. Shaving leads to ingrown hairs, and lasts about two minutes. Epiliating - JUST NO. And when you wax, the hair thins out - there are patches on my legs where the hair has stopped growing back.

But thanks for such a non-judgmental question KristinaM, you sound like such a charming individual.

KristinaM Fri 01-Feb-13 07:59:20

Ahem I think you are missing the point of the thread, which was meant , i think, to be a lighthearted one .can I remind you of the title " what are you too afraid to ask"?

Absy Fri 01-Feb-13 08:13:05

Yes, because implying that only sex workers would wax is very light hearted

KristinaM Fri 01-Feb-13 08:29:36

No, I can understand why sex workers do wax. It's for their job.and I can understand why women who have hairy thighs and bikini line would wax them, as it would show over swimwear . I still don't know what women who don't have to show their bits choose to have them waxed or plucked. I wasn't saying they should or shouldn't , I was just asking why. The person who has read judgement into the question is you. It seems to me that YOU are the one who is judging sex workers and finds even a mention of them offensive .

I don't know if its a religious requirement, a cultural thing or a fashion thing . I was just asking as I always wonder when I read thread s about it on mumsnet and I don't know anyone in RL who does it.

AlwaysSleepingBeauty Fri 01-Feb-13 08:37:35

QuinnFabray I think the Lipcote is usually with the false eyelashes and tweezers and things!

Absy Fri 01-Feb-13 08:42:47

In your post, you just asked why women who were not sex workers wax - you didn't mention anyone else. It implied that you thought the only people who have a justifiable reason to wax are sex workers. But you have now said that there are a myriad of reasons why women might wax.

Okay, maybe i'm being oversensitive because pretty much every thread that mentions bikini waxing on MN leads to some person coming on and mentioning "brain washing", "wannabe pornstars" and letting the sisterhood down etc. etc. and it gets very tiring.

dotty2 Fri 01-Feb-13 08:47:49

Quinn - you only see other women scrubbed up so you don't know how much effort they put in. I also have loads of facial and body hair, greasy skin (spots and wrinkles, fabulous look), broken veins etc. I shave and pluck various bits of me every day, even though I try to be brave and feminist about it. Some of those are PCOS symptoms in my case. But you do know that thin hair can be a hypothyroid symptom? Might be worth getting that checked.

MrsPennyapple Fri 01-Feb-13 09:02:28

I'd love to know how to get smooth, stubble free legs. Mine are stubbly immediately after shaving. The only way I've ever got them smooth was to turn the shower ti cold so all the hairs stand up, and then shave. It was horrid, I can't bring myself to do that again.

MrsPennyapple Fri 01-Feb-13 09:04:48

I'm also desperate for hair advice but no one has answered my thread :-(

I think the only way to have truly smooth legs is lasering. I too have a 5 o clock shadow after shaving and stubble within 5 hours. So annoying

MrsPennyapple Fri 01-Feb-13 09:40:02

I don't think my leg hair grows particularly fast, it's not coarse or dark, I think I'm just doing it wrong sad

Best shaving lubricant is hair conditioner. Try that and a decent blade (mens are better)

MrsPennyApple exfoliate your skin, with a body scrub or loofer, before you shave your legs, and alsways shave upwards with a decent razer. Agree with tak1ng about hair conditioner to shave with - I tried this the other day for the first time and it's fab.

I'd forgotten about Lipcote! May have to get some...

My question. What is primer? Is it like undercoat for foundation? And would it make much difference on my patchy skin?

jackstini Fri 01-Feb-13 11:38:55

Quinn - Lipcote - in Boots with the nails and lashes. Asda sell ittoo - same place.

Liberty Chick - use Gel polish. It doesn't dry until you put it under tha lamp so you can go over it as many times as you like with a brush without leaving any marks. Is self levelling too. Just do any clean up with cleanser before you cure it.

KristinaM - because it is less sweaty in summer and makes for better sex too

Amanda - hand cream at night - slather on then put cotton gloves on

Re armpit hair, I have had 5 IPL sessions and although not all gone yet, there are bald patches and the rest grows much more slowly

KristinaM Fri 01-Feb-13 13:17:22

Thanks Jackstini ;-)

MrsPennyapple Fri 01-Feb-13 13:37:37

Thanks for the shaving tips. Thinking about it, I did get the best results when I used to use a Gillette Mach 3. I don't know why I stopped using that actually. Exfoliating beforehand is a new idea though, I willd efinitely try that.

spookycatandfluffydog Fri 01-Feb-13 13:39:20

Several questions from me:

I too never seem to get waxing to work - always either ingrowing hairs/growing back - it never seems perfect even when exfoliating all the time. Don't think my skin likes waxing. How do people get it to look perfect?

Secondly, how do people keep a perfect manicure - I chip it immediately so don't bother smile

Scarves - I can't seem to wear them without them feeling as if they are going to strangle me or looking awful. How do people manage that relaxed scarf look - I love the idea but cannot get it right?

Pseudonymity Fri 01-Feb-13 13:51:28

Kristina - it feels nice for sex as there is no hair between you and him iyswim. It can be a religious thing - in Islam men and women are meant to remove it but def. not in a waxing parlour!

dotty2 Fri 01-Feb-13 14:09:39

re. scarves - the secret is in the scarf itself, not how you tie/drape it. It needs to have enough weight and body not to go all creased and limp. So it either needs to be reasonably heavy (or fine but big), or have some strong texture in the weave. Lots you see in the shops are actually too flimsy to look good for more than 10 minutes.

BerryBlast Sat 02-Feb-13 20:41:57

Thanks ggirl you were right - there's a tiny little sharpener and a smudger at the end - I had no idea they were there!

Mewsical Sat 02-Feb-13 21:05:34

Iaintdun - Lisa Eldridge vid on pale foundations is good.Most pale ones have a pinky undertone but she recommends a Bourjois one which is pale with yellow tone(still too dark for me).Also a couple of white ones which you can mix with other foundations.

ggirl Sat 02-Feb-13 21:50:13

BerryBlast yay I've answered a beauty mystery!!

finlaysmum12 Sat 02-Feb-13 22:01:30

i now want a eye liner with an iddy biddy sharpener!

fossil971 Sat 02-Feb-13 22:48:23

How to put my hair up. It's shoulder length, thick, and with growing out layers that fall out of bands and clips so I look like I've been through a hedge. I would love to put it up in that loose effortless clipped-up way rather than scraped back into a dull stubby pony tail. Is there a special haircut to have just the right amount to pin up with artistic bits left around the face?

MrsDeVere Sat 02-Feb-13 23:01:05

use a lip liner that is close in shade to your lips.
Follow your natural lip line, don't be persuaded to use any of the 'tricks' to make your lips look bigger etc.
Use the lip liner to lightly fill in your lips. This gives a good base.
Then chose a lipstick in the same tone range as the liner and use a brush to cover your lips.
Most makes do a range of 'nude' shades. You can pick out a nice pinky or gold toned one if you want to go glam.

If you are not used to wearing lipstick it will feel really weird to go for bright red even if it looks great. Stick to more natural colours and you will still look great.

MrsDeVere Sat 02-Feb-13 23:07:52

spooky it is easier with lighter colours. Nudes and pinks.
Make sure you clean your nails after filing them and don't put hand cream on before doing your nails.
Use a base coat and give it plenty of time to dry.
Put your first of polish on. Don't use too much polish. Do one stroke up the middle and then do the sides.
Give plenty of time to dry before you do your next coat.
Use a top coat ONLY when your nails are dry.
I put a bit of top coat under the nail too, this helps to keep the nails clean.
Gently push the tip of your nail with your finger (*not on the flat bit, the pointy bit right at the end.)

The most important thing is to let each coat dry properly.

Keep the polish handy in your bedside drawer (for eg) for quick touch ups.

I did mine with a nude colour a week ago and they are fine. If they were in purple or red they would have needed more touching up.

JumpingJackSprat Sun 03-Feb-13 09:33:58

my armpits are not smooth and pretty and im ashamed of them in summer. i changed my deodorant and temporarily they did look better but now back to a horrible grey colour. its my skin thats discoloured not cos im hairy - how can i get armpits like those on deodorant adverts?!

LittlePandaBear Sun 03-Feb-13 09:48:52

Exfoilate your armpits to make them smoother! It's then easier to get a closer shave.

Maybe not good if you have sensitive pits grin

MrsFooty Sun 03-Feb-13 10:04:00

Washing your hair the night before:

I use the 3 Day Straight product on my hair at night and I get hardly any kinks when I wake up (I use it with and without straighteners), I also try and dry my hair as early at night as possible so it is completely dry (have lots of hair), as I find if I dry it then sleep my hair is worse than if it has time between drying and sleeping (if that makes sense).

IDreamedADreamOfSausageRolls Sun 03-Feb-13 15:28:30

fossil971 if your hair falls out of clips because it's very clean/silky, spray it with hairspray like Elnett first. Let it dry, run your fingers through it, clip it up and spray it again. It should then stay in place.

WantAnOrange Sun 03-Feb-13 16:39:21

Why are skinny fit jeans so popular?

They are always to long in the crotch, to tight round the kness and leave a big gap round the waist, and it's like they cant decide if they want to be low-rise or high-waisted so they sit awkwardly in the middle.

HanneHolm Sun 03-Feb-13 16:46:00

Agree re shadow as liner. Nice thick line.

HanneHolm Sun 03-Feb-13 16:46:31

EW at you lot. I hate hair that smells. Wash it fgs

MrsDeVere Sun 03-Feb-13 16:58:34

Those armpit ads make me roar.
I mean, I love a bit of style and beauty but really? Trying to make women fret about kissable armpits hmm

twentythirteen Sun 03-Feb-13 17:16:53

Liberty, take your time and sit up at a table. Moisturise your cuticles with something rich or oily, but just your cuticles, not the bed of the nail. After you've painted your nails any that went on to your cuticle should scrape off easily.

twentythirteen Sun 03-Feb-13 17:18:07

Oh, and of course spend whatever time needed to push your cuticles back. I've got into the habit of doing this most days so it's not a big chore.

Meglet Sun 03-Feb-13 17:26:18

kristina I've been single for 4yrs and still have a ruthless bikini wax. It's fresher and I'm naturally a bit of a yeti - so off it all comes smile.

abbyfromoz Sun 03-Feb-13 17:46:50

I have dry hands since having DD. this started with all the washing/sterilising. I now use gloves when washing and have tried many creams...from l'occitane to e45... Nothing works long term. :-( any miracle cure?

feralgirl Sun 03-Feb-13 17:55:29

Marriednotdead Primer is just like undercoat. I think foundation goes on better and stays put for longer. I had some Bobby Brown daily moisturiser and primer which was fantastic but I can't afford any more so now I've just got Rimmel which is, I think, almost as good. I have stopped buying very expensive foundation as DD keeps squirting it out all over the floor angry but, with primer, it doesn't seem to matter so much that I'm using the cheapo stuff.

persimmon Sun 03-Feb-13 17:56:24

Dotty2 - put a little lip balm on your lips (a teeny bit) and spread it over them. Then dot on your lippie and use your finger to spread it around. Blot with a tissue and you should have a natural looking mouth with a bot o'glam.

persimmon Sun 03-Feb-13 17:56:50

bit o'glam! Although you may also have a glam bot.

Voldemortified Sun 03-Feb-13 18:01:31

For all makeup related queries, you can do no better than to look up Sali Hughes' videos on YouTube. She writes a column for the Guardian and does these excellent how-to vids with lots of product recommendations. She is awesome. I love her.

Did I mention I love her?

MrsDeVere Sun 03-Feb-13 18:51:14

Abby put your hand cream on before you do the washing up. Then put your rubber gloves over the top.
The warmth from the water will help it sink in.

Get a pair of cotton gloves and put them on in the evening with a big dollop of hand cream. Helps the cream work better.

Starfishkiss Sun 03-Feb-13 19:12:46

And I SWEAR by Burts Bees Hand Salve - tis amazing and smells divine to boot!

scottishmummy Sun 03-Feb-13 19:17:15

as it looks Space NK. the NK is her name Irish surveyor nicky kinnaird, paisley uni

HanneHolm Sun 03-Feb-13 19:23:32

i have lost count of the crap recs i got from sali h

scottishmummy Sun 03-Feb-13 19:27:22

why is 8hr cream so raved about it's messy,smelly,jumped up vaseline

TheCatIsEatingIt Sun 03-Feb-13 19:27:49

My armpits have been vastly improved by epilating. It does hurt, but they don't look stubbly any more. My legs still need doing every day though - will that get better with time?

cocolepew Sun 03-Feb-13 19:36:04

To tie a scarf, so its not flapping around.. Wrap it around once, with the ends the same length. Put one end through the bit that is around your neck. Before pulling it through make a loop and thread the other end through the loop , then tighten.

This makes perfect sense to me btw, grin.

cocolepew Sun 03-Feb-13 19:36:49

Why have I suddenly got big sore spots,all over my chin? They ache.

googietheegg Sun 03-Feb-13 19:46:49

Jumpingjack - one night a week sleep with a thick layer of sudocrem under your armpits. Works a treat!

berri Sun 03-Feb-13 19:53:27

abby I recently tried the Aveda Hand Relief cream - I've had really dry hands for ages and also tried every brand out there...this is the best by a mile! A bit pricey so see if you can get a sample first to see if you like it perhaps? Sinks in easily and makes such a difference.

coco apparently spots on the chin are hormonal, according to a dermatologist I asked once. I get them a lot, all in the same area. Salicylic acid helps a tiny bit but I'd be interested to see any other advice for these kinds of spots too!

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 19:58:11




= the answer to everything

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 19:59:23

++ eyelash curlers

+ balm cleanser, even on oily skin

here endeth cafecito wisdom for today

milkwagon Sun 03-Feb-13 20:01:59

<smutty laugh at 'hand relief' cream>

abby - I have same problem (get eczema & contact dermatitis too) and found Aveeno lotion is fab. Can also use it on my 6mo DD which has cleared up her dry skin way better than E45 or Oilatum imo.

OneHundredSecondsofSolitude Sun 03-Feb-13 20:03:37

1) when I use eyeliner along the top of my upper lashes, I can never get it close enough. There always seems to be a gap between lash and line. Is it because my eyelashes are pale and sparse? I've tried and tried. Can't get them to merge

2) am I the only person who feels more clammy and sticky Down There ¥ when hair free?

thenightsky Sun 03-Feb-13 20:19:26

OneHundred You have just asked the two questions I was going to!

Especially the eye liner one. I always end up with what looks like a pink bit of skin between liner and lashes. I've even got a professional make up person to do me and it still looked awful.

FlickSticks Sun 03-Feb-13 20:20:17

cocolepew -

Spots on the chin and around the jaw line tend to be hormonal or because you're run down.

abbyfromoz -

Use washing up liquid with moisturiser in it & olive oil is great for dry skin!

OneHundredSecondsofSolitude -

1. try using a sharper pencil, some come with a soft tip on the opposite end which you can use to blend. Also hold the pencil above the eye and pointing slightly downwards to draw the line.

2. Use talc!

wonderstuff Sun 03-Feb-13 20:26:04

Those wondering about too much make-up, try bare minerals, get the person at the make up counter in debenhams to demo it, then buy on QVC because its cheaper. Is very subtle, but makes you look a bit polished iykwim. Primer stops your foundation disappearing.

When you go to get your legs waxed with really really hairy legs does the beautician judge? I'm soo hairy I put off going because I'm so embarrassed.

fuzzypicklehead Sun 03-Feb-13 20:28:02

What the hell am I supposed to do with all the bumfluff on my face? It's easy enough to tweeze the 3 or 4 porcupine quills dark hairs that pop out above my upper lip. But the whole rest of my face is covered with fine, downy hair from cheekbones to neck. It makes makeup sit oddly on my face and I have no idea what I'm supposed to do with it. Can you wax your whole face? Should you wax your whole face?

FlickSticks Sun 03-Feb-13 20:31:27

wonderstuff - you can't wax legs when the hair is too long, they will need to trim it, I would shave them a week before you go.

I always epilate now, I had shaved & waxed for years, then tried an IPL to banish hair for good (didn't work and was very expensive). Silk Epil is just the best way to remove hair.

fuzzypicklehead - you can get facial waxing strips but it will likely make your face quite red so try a small area first!

OneHundredSecondsofSolitude Sun 03-Feb-13 20:31:30

I see people having their whole faces threaded in public in those chairs in department stores

I think fine all over hair is normal though innit?

If you start removing if where does it stop?. It's all over us afterAll

Wrigglebum Sun 03-Feb-13 20:35:25

Avon hand cream is the best I've ever used and is really cheap so you can apply often.

FlickSticks Sun 03-Feb-13 20:37:55

I have a question, sorry if this is TMI but how do you check for/get rid of blackheads on your back?!

fuzzypicklehead Sun 03-Feb-13 20:40:46

It might be normal, but it feels like a lot! (also I've overheard someone comment on it once blush)

It doesn't help that I'll occasionally get a wild & twisty hair somewhere on my face or neck that my OH notices before I do. He then creeps up and tries to pinch it out. It often happens in public places with fluorescent lighting...

cocolepew Sun 03-Feb-13 20:43:37

Thanks I knew they could be hormonal but not the run down theory.

I'm on HRT (no ovaries), I wonder if it's that <ponders>

fuzzypicklehead Sun 03-Feb-13 20:59:25

FlickSticks--In my case, if OH spots one he would probably tackle me and squeeze it out. You're more than welcome to keep borrow him.

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 21:01:32

fuzzy- you can get 'peach fuzz' or a lanugo-type of downy hair if you are very thin?

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 21:03:20

but everyone has fine hair all over their face, it's really normal. yy you can get it threaded but I wouldn't really go for the all over threading thing- there are some new treatments if you are really bothered,but really it's probably fine.

I have a fuzzy face, never dawned on me to do anything about it. Hair is fine & blonde/clear. I do have the odd thick black hair that sprouts out of my face/cheek/chin which I pluck

cafecito Sun 03-Feb-13 21:20:44

I'm pretty sure most people have fuzzy faces

uggbug Sun 03-Feb-13 21:20:56

After I had my daughter I had a lot of hair loss. This has now calmed down, but I now seem to just be gradually receding! Really nothing anyone else would notice but it is getting to me that the hair around my face is pretty sparse - it seems quite ageing. I'm taking vitamins and fish oil which doesn't seem to be having much effect. I've had blood tests so no iron/thyroid issues. Anyone else got this or any advice?

FlickSticks Sun 03-Feb-13 21:26:58

uggbug - How long ago did you have your DD?

uggbug Sun 03-Feb-13 21:30:17

A year ago! Hair did go back to normal for a bit but now just seems to be slowly thinning at the front...!

FlickSticks Sun 03-Feb-13 21:32:59

Hair grows a lot faster in the Summer, maybe it was a double whammy, just as it was getting back on track we headed into Winter... ?

uggbug Sun 03-Feb-13 21:34:57

Its weirdly just at the front though. Hoping not going the way of Morticia!

FlickSticks Sun 03-Feb-13 21:37:30

I think hair is more sensitive at the front, I know mine is shorter here than the rest and tends to snap off here first if I get highlights

NigellaTufnel Sun 03-Feb-13 21:42:29

For horrible hands try L'occitane and scrub. It may not be a long term solution but my hands felt like they did pre children for at least a day. And if was lovely and worth it.

AuntieMaggie Sun 03-Feb-13 21:42:47

Fuzzy - I use DPs clippers to get rid of mine... i have short hair so i need to do my neck every couple of weeks too but I only do the sideburny bit you described. Clippering it is less obvious imo.

wonderstuff Sun 03-Feb-13 21:44:13

I lost a patch of hair after I had dd, grew back when I fell pg with ds! Lost another patch a few months ago but is now growing back a bit. Seems no rhyme or reason to it.

Jjcrackers Sun 03-Feb-13 22:15:14

I have fine, blond downy hair on my face - catches the light. I have it threaded on my chin and upper lip every few weeks. Love it.

Also love having my lady bits and bum crack waxed - not at the time but after. Makes me feel clean and tidy.

...hubbie says I have control issues about body hair...

CMAHAH Sun 03-Feb-13 22:18:29

Fuzzypicklehead - I have that same problem - I go to Sally's, ask for the wax you can microwave its in a tub lasts AGES - buy some of the wooden Popsicle type sticks and some of the paper wax strips (the fabric ones just make a mess) - its so easy just get the cheapest sticks (get the big and small ones so you can use different ones for different areas) and strips (cut the strips to whatever size you need) they are perfectly fine! Also not sure how much itd cost to get all this in one go as mine has lasted me forever (over a year) and havent needed to buy more but just the fact it lasts so long makes it worth it (and the privacy of your own home part) but it's not over £20 pretty sure! Do it at night it'll not be red in the morning - it isn't for me anyway!

Marriednotdead - primers sort of like a base coat - it's quite good if you get a tinted one - e.g. A green one if you want to minimise pinky tones - my mum uses it and it works a treat for her rosacea!

CMAHAH Sun 03-Feb-13 22:26:36

Oh and fuzzypicklehead - I don't do all over my face but I do neck, sides by my sideburns, around the top of my head by hairline to eyebrows, mono brow/eyebrow stuff, lip and chin - maybe best not to do entire face haha but it'd great for those areas!

Onehundred - have you tried using eyeliner on the inside of your eye - like the bit you put it on on the bottom (the instep thingy) but on the upper lash line and then pushed it up to the lashes from the inside - that's how I usually do it sorta fill it in from that way up instead of down - tell me if I make no sense as aware I'm rambling!

Iatemyskinnyperson Sun 03-Feb-13 22:38:20

Re eyeliner q, Clarins & Bourjois do a felt-tip liner that has 3 little points. As in a 3-pronged liner. You can really get in between lashes (from top & underneath). This will solve problem of not getting liner close enough to lashes.

MrsPennyapple Sun 03-Feb-13 22:47:54

I get these spots, normally along my hairline but sometimes on my chin and forehead too, not sure if it's hormonal but they are sooooo painful, and don't come to a head. That doesn't stop me picking at them til they bleed though, and they normally go after they've scabbed and then the scab has been duly picked fallen off. Is this acne? I've been getting these since puberty. What can I do about them? I might have mentioned they really hurt.

ssaw2012 Sun 03-Feb-13 22:51:38

Spooky, see on youtube, 25 Ways to Wear a Scarf in 4.5 Minutes by wendylooksbook. She is great.

Instead of eyeliner I use eyeshadows which make smoky eyes. So much better than cole but of course some people look great with cole.

ssaw2012 Sun 03-Feb-13 22:59:51

I also hate washing my hair in the morning before taking kids to school. So I wash it in the evening (not all the time though), put some hairgel then dry it with my head down. When I go to bed I make sure the crown of my hair is lifted up otherwise in the morning one side is going to be as flat as pancake. I do move in bed but somehow the hair is not completely flat in the morning.

ssaw2012 Sun 03-Feb-13 23:06:54

Luckily my husband is not bothered about the hair bits. I shave it for myself.
Do male partners do it as well, the waxing?

After seeing some men with builder's cleavage, I think some of them should wax their bottoms before wearing low waist trousers.

Anna1976 Sun 03-Feb-13 23:50:04

This has all been really helpful - am the world's biggest scruff, only happy in merino fleece & nylon & goretex trekking gear - and about to move to Paris. blush

I want to know if anyone has ever found bunion-friendly shoes that looked good?

I love things like ballet flats and nice little court shoes... but can't walk in them anymore. Spent the last few years at work in trouser suits hiding comfy walking shoes, and outside work only ever wearing trainers or hiking boots. One of these years I'm going to have to get my feet rebuilt I think sad

Lavenderhoney Mon 04-Feb-13 05:27:55

Anna, how exciting moving to Paris! Shoes- sketchers might be ok, I have had to go down this road ( there is another thread in s&b) sorry cant link on iPad.
Or m&s foot glove do ballet pumps which are supportive to a point.

I would be a wreck if moving to Parissmile essential items would be fabulous scarf, dark glasses, black trousers/ skirt ( pencil) and a t shirt plus nipped in jacket. I would have to lose my scuffy jeans, messy hair and token make upsmile

Anna1976 Mon 04-Feb-13 06:10:43

thanks Lavenderhoney smile

yes I'm enjoying having an excuse to go jacket shopping!

fuzzypicklehead Mon 04-Feb-13 06:54:27

Hmm. I shall try these solutions one by one. Then maybe I can namechange to hairlesspicklehead.

determinedma Mon 04-Feb-13 08:27:11

for very dry hands, apply a small dollop of olive oil and then some granulated sugar and massage. a bit messy so best done at night. Fab results.

also, get to Holland and Barrett (other retailers are available) and buy a big tub of coconut oil. Absolutely the best moisturiser for absolutely everywhere. grinCan't believe how different my face feels in the mornings after I rub a bit in at night!

Stangirl Mon 04-Feb-13 09:22:34

Eyeliner - use liquid (rimmel or Bourgois I find easiest/best value) with a brush. Can't do a smudgy line but gives great coverage and doesn't disappear. Mac is brilliant but is almost impossible to remove.
Hair loss (Uggs?) - I had this too now 18 months after my last child it is starting to grow back in around the hairline - so don't give up yet.

Am I the only one who thinks all this sounds exhausting?

Lavenderhoney Mon 04-Feb-13 09:29:14

Sunshineandfreedom- yes!!!

I think it helps if it's a routine from when you were a teen to do all this maintenance, otherwise it's easy to forget and not be able to squash it on anyway. This is the case for me anyway. I wasn't that interested as a teenager and my mum certainly wasn't one for all thatsmile if she did it was behind the bathroom door as she always said she liked an air of mystery- no one was allowed in or to look at her cupboard.

The older I get the less I care. I don't shave because I don't like it, and my hair is in dreadlocks so I don't have to brush it, I barely wear any make up... I can't imagine having the time for everything you lot all seem to do! smile

(And I'm only 23, that comment made me sound ancient!)

CuttedUpPear Mon 04-Feb-13 09:38:32

Onehundred and thenightsky
You could try the new 3 dot eyeliner pens. I've just ordered mine and am v excited about using it.

It has a kind of little forked tip which you use to dot along in between your eyelashes.

like this one

Bourjois do one too.

Primer is great, I've discovered Benefit That Gal which just sort of smoothes things out and gives a hint of colour/brightness but without looking "made up". I often use it on its own without foundation, to just look a bit better without too much effort (I'm really not big on heavy makeup!), but for special occasions when I DO wear foundation, it seems to help it go on better and not look so mask-like. Like "real me but improved"!

For spots that don't want to come out, I use Witch Doctor stick! It's good for irritation too, though if you have broken skin it stings a bit (but then helps it heal). They used to do a gel that was even better, but think it's discontinued now.

Lipstick - I can't wear it either without looking strange, I have an odd lipline at the sides so wherever I put it, it either looks as though I've gone over the edges or missed a bit. My solution was to just invest in fab lip glosses instead and tbh I think they look better on me anyway!

Now my questions:

Why can't I wear eyeliner? EVERY time I've tried it just looks crap, am I just not made for that as well?

Also, I seem to have ended up with a number of tops/jumpers that need something underneath (meshy jumpers, or things with sheer/mesh panels), but I can never find anything to wear under them that doesn't look crap -wrong necklines or whatever. How do you do the layering thing? I'm sick of buying things that look great in the shop, but which I can't then actually wear for real!

ALittleScatterOfRain Mon 04-Feb-13 10:20:44

False eyelashes...are you meant to use your own eyelashes in the corner nearest to your nose iyswim? I've never trimmed them, and they look fine on, but if you look closely, they stop a bit early and I match with liquid eyeliner and mascara.

Is that normal or are my eyes a bit weird? I've always been complimented when I wear them, so I don't really like to ask...

PopMusic Mon 04-Feb-13 11:15:30

So does primer go on after moisturising? How long after? Don't all the layers of products feel "heavy"?

PopMusic Mon 04-Feb-13 11:18:02

And do people actually have capsule wardrobes?

grotbagz Mon 04-Feb-13 11:25:41

Agree with the witch stick for spots! Also toothpaste... It actually works surprisingly - wait til it tries to go to bed though haha and it just sort of peels off! Boots also do a tea tree and witch hazel range which is really good - particularly the night treatment gel (also generally on offer and is quite cheap anyway).

PopMusic - primer can go on after moisturising - I tend to just put it on a few minutes after when the moisturiser has seeped in a bit - you should generally get one without silicone if you can - they don't feel heavy if you get the right one as it'll feel like a light moisturiser. Laura mercier and make up for ever primer is great but I've just stuck to those because they were the first I've come across - I imagine there's loads of good ones now that aren't so overpriced but I'm stuck in my ways haha!

grotbagz Mon 04-Feb-13 11:29:05

Oh and PopMusic - if you don't like the feel of makeup being heavy you could always do primer first and mix foundation with a moisturiser to make it less 'concentrated' - blends better too!

My actual goal in life is to be able to do proper black flicky eyeliner... Have tried so many different ones and still it eludes me, Avon gel eyeliner with the brush is the best so far but not really black enough. I basically want to look like Amy Winehouse... Any tips?

grotbagz Mon 04-Feb-13 12:23:04

littlermissstan - mac fluid line in blacktrack is perfect for this and stays for ages - also the little pot lasts for so long even though it looks small, sometimes it dries out but you just put a tiny bit of water on the brush in this case and its as good as new, just use the little brush you already have!

NaicePig Mon 04-Feb-13 12:29:14

Armpit folk - I was too scared to wax for ages, and I would now never ever go back to the constant shaving and stubble. My armpits always looked stubbly and red and pitted, I wouldn't show them to anyone. Eventually my wax lady convinced me that if I was happy to get my bikini and legs done, the armpits wouldn't be so bad, so I gave it a try and sure enough it was fine. Hurt but over in seconds like all things, and I'm now used to the sensation and epilate them every couple of weeks.

Armpit hair comes in three growth bursts so after you wax/epilate you may find it starts coming back straight away, then again, then last ages. Won't happen the first time though, obviously.

Also, I wondered about the hairy period of waxing too. It just isn't the same: it comes back as fine, downy and sparse instead of "stubble" so you just don't much care. In fact, waxing never gives a perfect baby-smooth feeling like shaving can, but I just hated the prickles and the visible hair follicles from shaving, so changed my philosophy to wanting my legs aesthetically pleasing and more or less hair-free instead of perfectly smooth for a while and ugly all the time.

(I am very very pale though, so shaving redness and hair follicles do show up more than some.)

NaicePig Mon 04-Feb-13 12:30:59

littler Shu Uemura is the easiest to apply but isn't the blackest of the black and it's a fanny to have to replace the cartridges as you can only seem to get them from Selfridges!

OhMyNoReally Mon 04-Feb-13 14:36:44

Little embarrassed about this one but I've got 4 dc and I can't shift the orange peel skin on my belly. Youngest dc is 3 months old and the tightness is coming back (kind of) but I hate the cellulite, orange peel look that my belly has. So can anything shift it? Thank you blush

bialystockandbloom Mon 04-Feb-13 14:40:25

Do people really, truly care what their armpits look like shock if only I had such small worries

I would also like to hear, directly from a beautician, whether they do comment/judge/laugh at/are disgusted by waxing arses. And if you have an all-over waxing like that, please tell me you don't have to take your knickers off?!

dexter73 Mon 04-Feb-13 15:27:25

I don't really,truly care what my armpits look like but I have the choice to keep them shaved and I prefer them that way so I do it. I have bigger worries than what my armpits look like too but I am capable of thinking about trivia and important things at the same time.

HanneHolm Mon 04-Feb-13 15:29:06


The shaving one

HanneHolm Mon 04-Feb-13 15:29:36

bet youre interested now dex dexter ;)

Nancy66 Mon 04-Feb-13 15:32:25

A dusting of powder over eyeliner is good for keeping it in place and stopping it from smudging/melting.

noddyholder Mon 04-Feb-13 15:33:59

Shaving with talc instead of soap gives a really smooth close shave

dexter73 Mon 04-Feb-13 15:35:17

I'm far too busy thinking of important things at the moment!

dexter73 Mon 04-Feb-13 15:35:41

(watching the last episode of Borgen actually)

bialystockandbloom Mon 04-Feb-13 16:05:07

Erm, no need to be so snippy and defensive dexter. I didn't mean shaving/not shaving armpits. I meant I hadn't ever known of anyone worrying about eg dark/rough/shadowy/uneven skin under their arms.

And fwiw (not sure why I'm justifying myself tbh but hey ho) I meant "wish I had such small beauty issues to worry about" like eg not being overweight, or looking permanently knackered, or having massive calves.

Many of us are also capable of having real problems and caring about our appearance too you know.

dexter73 Mon 04-Feb-13 16:13:35

Arf at snippy and defensive - it was supposed to be a joke. Your post just sounded massively pompous!

cocolepew Mon 04-Feb-13 16:21:43

For eyeliner use Barry M eyeshadow pencils, they are fabulous.

NickECave Mon 04-Feb-13 16:25:25

I want my tired, slightly saggy, nearly 40 skin to look fresh and youthful but not at all made up. Should I be wearing:
a. primer and foundation, b. just a tinted moisturiser, c. a BB cream (whatever that is)?

MrsDeVere Mon 04-Feb-13 16:27:32

I am highly cerebral AND obsessed with beauty tips. I still don't get the armpit thing but each to their own.

I would rather be late to work than be out all day in an outfit that didn't quite 'work' blush

So probably not quite as cerebral as I would like to imagine grin

Nancy66 Mon 04-Feb-13 16:31:48

NickECave - Laura Mercier Illuminating Brightener is good to wear under make up - it gives your skin a nice light and sheen.

slug Mon 04-Feb-13 16:40:15

Anna, Camper do lots of flattish shoes

HanneHolm Mon 04-Feb-13 18:03:30

well i am NOW an armpit obsessive - go to body pump twice a week and have to stare at them in a mirror as I hurgggggggh lift 15 kilos up and down

KristinaM Mon 04-Feb-13 18:22:57

HANNE -I just wear t shirts with sleeves
You can lift heavier Ifyou are not looking at your armpits wink

Jacksmania Mon 04-Feb-13 18:24:15

How do I get rid of spots near my jawline? They're making me insane.

bialystockandbloom Mon 04-Feb-13 19:18:29

I have bigger worries than what my armpits look like too but I am capable of thinking about trivia and important things at the same time.

Yep, that was side-splitting and not remotely rude.

Re-read my first post, perhaps you'll see it in the tone it was meant.

JumpingJackSprat Mon 04-Feb-13 19:20:14

those who are dont have anything better to worry about than my armpits, erm yes i do but im not going to post about that on a style and beauty thread! and if your armpits looked like mine you would be looking for solutions too!! grin

bialystockandbloom Mon 04-Feb-13 19:28:55

Can I pleeeease just clear this up once and for all!! I did not say worrying about armpits was trivial! I just said that people should think themselves lucky if that was the worst of their S&B problems. It was supposed to be self-deprecating and jokey.

Tanyaaah Mon 04-Feb-13 20:00:53

How do you pronounce "Shu Uemura"?? I wonder everytime I'm at the hairdresser.

Tanyaaah Mon 04-Feb-13 20:02:02

And, what is BB cream?

OneHundredSecondsofSolitude Mon 04-Feb-13 20:02:15

And miu miu or is it mui mui? Anyway, how do you say that?

OneHundredSecondsofSolitude Mon 04-Feb-13 20:04:21

Thanks cutteduopear I'll try that

But what about the clammy, bald undercarriage. Surely not just me? And I thought you weren't meant to talc ladybits?

Tanyaaah Mon 04-Feb-13 20:06:18

I thought it was pronounced Mew Mew OneHundredSecondsofSolitude, but no idea if that's right.

Tanyaaah Mon 04-Feb-13 20:07:25

I suppose the hair protects the undercarriage from clammyness! I'll keep mine!

OneHundredSecondsofSolitude Mon 04-Feb-13 20:08:15

Oh and thanks too to everyone else who suggested eyeliner solutions blush

That'll teach me to read from the bottom up

IncognitoIsMyFavouriteWord Mon 04-Feb-13 20:11:36

I'm sorry I haven't read the whole thread.

Is it possible to get opaque hold ups? I prefer opaque in the winter but prefer hold ups to tights.

Am I asking the impossible? grin

Fishandjam Mon 04-Feb-13 20:18:05

Please may I fall snivelling onto the shoulders of Quinn and Dotty - I have horrible facial skin (greasy, spotty, blotchy, lined and threadveiny) and until I get some slap on I get seriously depressed by it. Though Avon mattifying foundation works reasonably well (I also have ridiculously pale skin and finding a pale enough shade is tricky).

I also have horrible body hair but that's nothing new - pubes down to my knees and a ladygarden which is more of a thicket, yuk. Lush's Buffy scrub bar does the job on preventing ingrown hairs - that or a DIY scrub made with sugar, olive or sweet almond oil and a few drops of nice essential oil.

PopMusic Mon 04-Feb-13 21:08:02

How do you use oil for cleansing/moisturising?

Jacksmania Mon 04-Feb-13 21:23:17

Can I suggest laser hair removal for horrible body hair? Mucho $$$$$ (at least here, I'm in Canada) but so worth it. Best money I've ever spent on myself.

WantsToBeFree Mon 04-Feb-13 21:39:27


It's pronounced "mew, mew". grin. Their stuff is rubbish though.

determinedma Mon 04-Feb-13 23:00:46

*pop music*massage on and tissue off. Leaves skin really soft

zcos Mon 04-Feb-13 23:15:15

I agree with the underarm hairy thing I had to shave them twice a day on holiday in the late morning before swimming and again before going out in the evening.

williaminajetfighter Tue 05-Feb-13 01:40:10

1.laser hair removal best for permanently getting rid of hair especially on face.

2. Liz Earle does an amazing foundation which has BB cream type finish. It is called sheer Skin Tint. Amazing

3. Ingrown hairs can be avoided or fixed with Tend Skin. It's a great product. Secret ingredient is aspirin.

4. Beauty therapists do judge! Once a hirsute friend went to get a bikini wax and was told by the therapist who has started the treatment 'well you're getting your money's worth today aren't you!!'

Incognito - M&S do opaque hold ups.

IncognitoIsMyFavouriteWord Tue 05-Feb-13 08:53:16

Really? I missed them.

I'll get online today.

thank you smile

shrimponastick Tue 05-Feb-13 09:16:51

Laser/ipl hair removal is how you get the,perfect armpit look.

I had mine done, and bikini line a few years ago.. Errr I think 8 or 9 years. However it is gradually creeping back now. I use my epilator as there arent that many hairs, and just grit my teeth.

So it isn't permanent, but long term hair reduction I beleiveS the phrase my laser lady used

SusieB13 Tue 05-Feb-13 10:38:33

I prefer waxing to any other form of hair removal apart from underarms.

As my leg hair is fair when waxed the regrowth comes back quite faint and over time it has become less and less. (IMO NEVER wax or shave 3 inches max above the knee)

I've had the full genital area hair removed, didn't like it astetically deff looked wrong, but again it grew back softer and certainly no prickly regrowth, however there were a couple of ingrowing hairs that had to be carefully tweasered.

I only have waxing in the bikini area because I swim and "sideburns" are really not a good look!! neither is craning my neck when in public in a swiming costume to look at my nether regions to check I'm not sporting a clothing malfunction!

Hamishbear Tue 05-Feb-13 11:29:56

Why do very, very rich women suddenly become very slim? All those I know that have enormous family income get steadily slimmer so that they can fit all designer brand clothes - usually smaller sizes.

Very, very rich women are rarely over a size 12 IME. Why??????

BadMissM Tue 05-Feb-13 11:32:04

marriednotdead Primer is undercoat/polyfilla you put on before foundation. Ideal if you get sweaty or have greasy skin, also evens out skin tone. Boots No 7 do a good one. About £12 but lasts ages.

Armpit hair debate...when going on hols, I shave, then Veet. Goes into roots, lasts longer. Works on legs too...

Fossil 971 Twist and roll your hair to keep it up. Use combs and booby pins to secure rolls, put an elastic scrunchie at the end, then pin that into roll....

Dotty 2 For keeping lipstick on....apply one coat. Blot with tissue. Apply another, blot with tissue, then apply final coat. If matte-ish you can also put tiny bit of face powder on to set it.

Scottishmummy Agree about 8 hr creme, ooky vaseline!

Incognitoismyfavouriteword Aldi have gorgeous opaque hold ups for about £2.50 around Valentines Day.... I stocked up last year.

Hamishbear Because they can afford to live on obscure berries and have lipo whenever they need it....

KateTheClumsyStripper Tue 05-Feb-13 12:25:06

Quinn - have you been checked for Polycystic ovary syndrome PCOS?

For post shaving stubble removal i've found those sandpaper pads are wonderful. Maybe not so if you have delicate sensitive skin rather than my rhino hide thought!

My question - how do you pronounce Chignon? I'd like to ask for one for my wedding without sounding like a clueless fool! blush

dexter73 Tue 05-Feb-13 12:27:24

she-nyon for chignon!

IncognitoIsMyFavouriteWord Tue 05-Feb-13 12:27:50

M&S were out of stock but I've ordered some others from elsewhere

I will have a look at aldi there must be some in now

I must have been going round with my eyes closed for years grin

RosieFoca Tue 05-Feb-13 13:23:31

Hi Wife of Doom and Iaintdunnuffink: Re that "Just Washed Hair" trick: Have you tried Batiste dry shampoos? They have a range of scents, and they give your hair real va-va-voom. Just apply to the roots, leave for 30 seconds and brush or shake out. All lankiness or greasiness is removed. I know I sound like an advert, but to prove I don't work for Batiste, there are other brands of dry shampoo which also work. I just like Batiste.

PartTimeModel Tue 05-Feb-13 14:16:59

I have a question for the oracle inspired by a quick trip into Boots at lunchtime - I was looking at buying a couple of lipsticks.

Why are there no mirrors where they sell make up in Boots??? There are rows of make up, but nowhere to see if the lipstick actually suits you (NB I NEVER apply directly, but I will dab some on with my fingers). One of the concessions (L'oreal perhaps) used to have a tiny mirror I would use, but even that is no longer there now.

Do they expect you to buy lipstick from just a swish across the back of your hand? Do I have to start carrying my own mirror?

daddyorchipsdaddyorchips Tue 05-Feb-13 15:10:59

Tanyaaah, Shu Uemura is pronounced shoe oo-eh-moor-ah.

ClartyCarol Tue 05-Feb-13 16:09:19

OneHundredSeconds and thenightsky

Sorry, not had time to read full thread so this may have been mentioned, but regarding your eyeliner question -

my friend had a make up tutorial from a Bobbi Brown rep and she explained that some people's eyelids are shaped so that the the underside of the top eyelid (just underneath where the eyelash roots are) is visible when you look straight at their eyes. I was a bit, WTF?! but sure enough we looked in the mirror and my friend's eyelids are shaped like that and mine aren't.

The woman advised her to line the the inside of the upper eyelid (just like you would line the inside of the lower eyelid for a smokey eye) and it wouldn't then look like there's a line of pink skin between your eyeliner and your lashes.

Friend tried it and it does work.

grotbagz Tue 05-Feb-13 16:13:01

clartycarol - thats what i suggested - so glad someone else said it so i don't just seem like a lunatic shoving eyeliner up my eye haha!

FuturePerfect Tue 05-Feb-13 16:13:22

Abby - I have bad contact dermatitis, and dry, cracked hands. Have tried loads of things: Aveeno, diprobase, epaderm, Neal's Yard, L'Occitane etc. The ONLY thing that works is Flexitol cracked heel balm - it's 25% urea. May sting slightly at first on deep splits but it really works. smile

ClartyCarol Tue 05-Feb-13 16:20:35

grotbagz grin

I have the aldi Lacura handcream for, ahem, mature skin and it's really good.

grotbagz Tue 05-Feb-13 16:29:41

ah no i didn't, i just checked to see how much i'd made no sense trying to explain what you managed to do so well, there was another post about it though maybe thats why i didn't in the end! at least i know I'm normal now grin

MinesaBottle Tue 05-Feb-13 16:33:14

I have single-lidded eyes (ie, no crease - like a Chinese or Japanese person, although I'm European). How do I apply eye make-up other than liner? Or am I doomed to just liner? I've experimented a bit with shadow but it just looks a bit much going up to the brows. Bloke in Space NK was no use - he told me to highlight the crease I don't have hmm - very observant of him

I don't wear make up every day so am not an expert like some of you are! I'd just like to be able to do smokey eyes etc and all the instructions you see in magazines don't help as they assume you have double-lidded eyes. Have seen a few tutorials online for Asian eyes but they all seem to focus either on liner or on putting shadow all the way up to the brow (maybe I need to learn to blend better)

grotbagz Tue 05-Feb-13 16:41:12

minesabottle have you tried the little eyelid stickers you can use - i imagine they are probably very annoying and itchy but just incase they might be something you're interested in - think its called double eyelid tape - sorry if thats not helpful at all!

KatoPotato Tue 05-Feb-13 16:52:01
MinesaBottle Tue 05-Feb-13 17:01:08

grotbags how bizarre, I hadn't heard of that! Hmm, I don't actually want to change the shape of my eyes though, also I'd probably fiddle with it the whole time, I can't stand my eyes feeling funny smile Thanks though!

QuinnFabray Tue 05-Feb-13 17:05:51

Minesa, there are loads of youtube video's doing tutorials on this.

grotbagz Tue 05-Feb-13 17:06:27

MinesaBottle yes it is quite strange - i imagine they're as irritating as false eyelashes anyway so you're probably better off without them, sorry i couldn't be of more help!

AlwaysSleepingBeauty Tue 05-Feb-13 18:29:06

MinesaBottle Lisa Eldridge did a great tutorial for hooded eyes, might that be of use? Obviously you might want to adapt it as you see fit.
I think I am in love with this woman!

Porkster Tue 05-Feb-13 18:58:37

I feel much more relaxed showing my entire fanjo and bum hole to my lovely beautician than to my GP.

I use an epilator on my arm pits - very sparse regrowth and no shadow. When I used to shave I had 2 thick hairs coming out of every follicle and major stubble.

IDreamedADreamOfSausageRolls Tue 05-Feb-13 19:46:38

Porkster, just for a second there I read GP as grandparents shock

How do people look so glam and stylish -- when Id look like a maniac--


How on earth do I hide the blackheads/open pores on my face? When I smile some stretch for miles.

Snog Tue 05-Feb-13 20:59:36

My chin spots (i'm in my 40's) are improved by
Avoiding alcohol and

Facial fuzz is not universal though as I don't have it.

I am properly weirded out by the idea of asking a stranger to wax my arse including bum crack. I never come across this type of waxing in swimming pool changing rooms but have read threads here where smear nurses claim 50% of women have totally hair free arses.

catnipkitty Tue 05-Feb-13 21:41:36

How often do you need to wax? Does it become less frequent the more you do it? I am 42 and never been brave enough to wax blush ; am keen to give it a go if it'll last a good week or two for over my summer holiday!

CorrieDale Tue 05-Feb-13 22:17:09

Love that Lisa Eldridge video! Did anyone answer the bb cream question?

applepearorangebear Tue 05-Feb-13 22:36:03

one hundred and the nightsky I was shown how to get a really close eyeliner line by a lady at the Bobbi Brown counter: basically you have to pull your eyelashes up and taut with one hand, then draw the line underneath your lashes with your other hand. Takes a bit of practice and is a bit eyewatering to start with, but it works v. well.

Also, Laura Mercier tinted moisturiser is amazing for anyone who finds (like me...) that foundation generally just sits on their skin and looks really cakey.

Now, does anyone have any tips on evening out very pale and blotchy skin, other than piling on the make up? Please?!

thenightsky Tue 05-Feb-13 23:13:27

Thank you to all the people who have explain about the eye liner thing. Who'd a thunk it... I have forward facing lids. I can see that now. I will definitely be trying the suggestion of putting the liner UNDER my lashes. Hopefully it won't wash away too quickly. I'll let you know how I get on (will do it tomorrow morning before work).


Tindertree Wed 06-Feb-13 00:32:46

Does anyone achieve a really good result on long, thick, straight hair with a relatively reasonably priced hairdresser?

ie. can go to sleep with it wet not think about it and still looks brilliant sort of result.

Otherwise, will stick with spendy one 3 or 4 times a year.

garlicblocks Wed 06-Feb-13 00:39:57

Iaintdunnuffink, I think Patsy Palmer does her makeup beautifully. She's very freckly and quite blotchy, as you'll know if you watch 'Stenders. She doesn't blot out her freckles with makeup, but goes for the classic strategy of choosing a base shade in between the palest of her skin and the freckles. This is usually a pale cream on redheads - like the actual colour of pouring cream.

I'm shocked that makeup sales people don't help!! Do keep asking - some of them actually are good at their jobs grin Clarins have a lot of good staff, ime. Choose ones that don't seem rushed at the time - and don't be scared to visit lots in one store, like a butterfly on flowers!

Abby - I make a VERY good hand cream/lotion. It costs about £8 for around a litre. You need a tub of aqueous cream, a bottle of almond oil and a bottle of glycerin (all 250ml or whichever that-sort-of-size they have in your chemist.) Stick the cream and glycerin in the food processor with the beaters on. It goes fluffy. Start adding the oil; stop when you like the texture. Use as is (cream) or, to make lotion, add all the oil then dribble in water while beating. Add an aromatherapy oil if you like.

Neutrogena Norwegian Formula Concentrated hand cream is also very good.

garlicblocks Wed 06-Feb-13 01:01:22

Armpits - I wax mine when I can be bothered once a year with cold wax strips. Takes a minute. I do get 'shadow' though, and have been known to put foundation on them! Before you all laff at me, what do you think those "beautiful pits" deodorants are? Deodorant with foundation mixed in, that's what smile

garlicblocks Wed 06-Feb-13 01:03:20

Does anybody know how to stop a toenail growing in? It's curled & digging in one corner, I don't want it to get any worse. I used to know what to do but have completely forgotten!

HollaAtMeBaby Wed 06-Feb-13 07:31:31

Pull it out and put a tiny pad of folded loo paper under that corner for a day or two. Then cut it straight across (you can round the corner very slightly, just so it's not sharp) and avoid wearing pointy shoes!

garlicblocks Wed 06-Feb-13 11:27:56

Ah! Thank you! Will do, Holla smile

Yeah, it's the 30 years of cute shoes what did it ...

UnrequitedSkink Wed 06-Feb-13 13:33:32

What is the difference between BB cream and foundation pleasey? I could probably google but you lot are so wonderfully knowledgeable and I'm too lazy.

garlicblocks Wed 06-Feb-13 13:54:25

BB cream's supposed to do everything ... except cover your skin. It's basically tinted moisturiser <waits to be shot as heretic> so, if you rely on foundation to disguise blemishes, you'll still need an extra coat of concealer, foundation or powder. BB cream comes in fewer shades than foundation - again, like tinted moisturiser.

I use an old No.7 tinted moisturiser, which has optical brightening properties and does a good job as a base. They've stopped that line now, so I'll probably have to replace it with a BB cream.

For 'undercoat' and perking-up purposes, you still can't beat Clarins Beauty Flash imo. It may be mostly rice water for £20 a tube, but it works!

lowercase Wed 06-Feb-13 17:29:26

For ingrown toenail, cut a V into the nail, the nail stretches over somehow to fill the gap.

For tidy finger and toe nails, cut and file straight across.

After nail painting / drying, a little scrub with the nail brush or soak in the bath removes the mistakes. You can simply rub the excess polish away.

I don't get all the shaving stuff either.
It's a sign of the times and a waste of mine.
My sister used to call me moustache woman.

auldspinster Wed 06-Feb-13 21:02:23

Boots time delay radiance booster is a great beauty flash dupe and is often on offer for around £4.

CarriedAwayAnnie Wed 06-Feb-13 21:13:52

The skin above my top lip is always really sore. I'm not sure if it's excema or because I sneeze a lot (prone to colds, hayfever, always sneeze at dust etc)

It'snot helped by having to have my top lip threaded often.

But it's always red and people just look at it!

What can I do to make it normal again?

cjbk1 Wed 06-Feb-13 21:24:27

I've got one for you; dark skin on knees keep your comments about time spent on my knees to yourselves what can I do about it? I use heavy duty prescription moisturisers already and even my own family think they look bruised but its just the dark skin, I'm mixed race but my sister doesn't have it.any ideas? thanks

pixi2 Wed 06-Feb-13 21:38:46

Not read all these, but nails,

Hold a file at the very end. Work from each corner to the middle for a curved look.

Painting nails, avoid the cuticle area and leave a tiny space/gap along the sides. It makes the nail look slimmer, the finger longer and stops you getting paint on your skin. Use your dominant hand first, then rest your other hand on the table holding the brush and move your dominant hand so it paints your nails iyswim.

Use a non alcohol deodorant as a lubricant when shaving under your arms. Don't really know if it works anywhere else because I get it all waxed off.

I'm not a sex worker but was a nail tech for awhile.

pixi2 Wed 06-Feb-13 21:40:58

Oh, don't buy basic body exfoliation creams.

Mix sea salt and olive oil and use instead. Pay dry ( don't rub) with an old towel as it doubles as a moisturiser once excess water is removed.

marthamydear Wed 06-Feb-13 21:59:20

Does anyone know how to create a natural lift at the root of hair?

I would like to wash hair in eve - leave to dry naturally without hairdryer and straighten in the morning - but I find my hair too flat at the root.

Is there a trick anyone knows? Would some kind of clip work? or bun technique?

The look is similar to a very small beehive. I have bump its (clip) but my hair is too fine to leave in my hair through out the day.


pixi2 Wed 06-Feb-13 22:01:38

Batiste hair spray do a root lifting one. You will have to use it in the morning.

I'm not the biggest fan of these btw.

My hairdresser says dry shampoos should be for occasional emergency use only, not every day as they clog your scalp and follicles.

thenightsky Thu 07-Feb-13 10:42:49

Right... I tried the method of putting khol under my top lashes to hide the pink line of flesh. I did it at 7.30am and it was still intact at 8pm!


thanks lads!

garlicblocks Thu 07-Feb-13 11:46:49

Martha, if you want to wake up with controlled hair you will have to sleep in rollers. It might be more convenient to find styling products that will work quickly for you in the morning. Have you tried Schwarzkopf Osis+ Shine Duster? For mega-lift (but matifying), they also do Osis Dust-It (backcomb in a bottle) and got2b Powder'ful Volumizing Style Powder.

lowercase, I've just done Holla's tease-and-wedge toenail treatment, and will try cutting a tiny V when I can find a suitable implement! Thanks.

coffeeinbed Thu 07-Feb-13 11:59:05

I'm always worried of oil in scrubs clogging the drains.
So I use a japanese wash cloth with shower gel.
Have had it for years, just goes in the wash.
Haven't bought body exfoliator in years and years.

MrsDeVere Thu 07-Feb-13 12:34:54

I nearly laughed at you being worried about clog drains coffee but then I remembered I actually started a thread about my worries re disposal of dental floss blush


coffeeinbed Thu 07-Feb-13 12:48:46

Don't get me started on floss.
Had nightmares about that as well.
[easily worried]

MrsDeVere Thu 07-Feb-13 12:51:04

It has a half life of about a million years.

Those 'top tip' articles are always full of things like how you can use it as a washing line or cheese wire.

Yet we are told we HAVE to use it or our teeth will drop out shock


coffeeinbed Thu 07-Feb-13 12:55:47

Apparently you can cut cake in layers with it as well.
Now, an even layer of cake is not on my top of even my list of worries. I've never knowing refused a wonky one.

But really, oil in scrubs - no!
[goes to check floss disposal habits of the rest of the household]

coffeeinbed Thu 07-Feb-13 12:56:14


garlicblocks Thu 07-Feb-13 13:19:46

Bit if the oil's liquid in a cool room, it'll wash down the system OK. Wouldn't be very nice if there was nothing but oil going through the system, but people are chucking detergents down all the time as well. If you worry about it, squirt a dollop of washing up liquid - or shower gel / shampoo - down the plug as you rinse smile

That should be OK, shouldn't it? <catches worry>

You can use interdental brushes instead of floss.

coffeeinbed Thu 07-Feb-13 13:31:20

Ah, you're all logic Garlic.

I never let logic and reasonable arguments ruin a good worry!

garlicblocks Thu 07-Feb-13 13:32:36

grin !

Jacksmania Thu 07-Feb-13 15:13:19

What's wrong with floss? confused

You have to use something to get the left-over yuk from between your teeth - what am I missing? Why is floss worry-worthy?

Interdental brushes are much easier than floss IMO, but you need to get the right size.

jen127 Thu 07-Feb-13 15:37:28

Can anyone create that just out of the salon look , the first time they have washed their hair post visit?
I can't my hair looks shit 99% of the time and fab for that one day every 6 -8 weeks ..

Ah, now I would ask the opposite question. What on earth do hairdressers do to my hair when they blowdry it because the first thing I do is go home and wash it and do it how I like it. Well, not any more because I just go for a wet cut and save the money. Not that that is much help to you Jen, sorry!

MrsDeVere Thu 07-Feb-13 16:17:20

Because it doesn't degrade so what do you do with it? I used to chuck it down the loo before I thought about what it was doing once it got flushed.

I am not usually an eco worrier. I don't know why floss makes me fret so. I think it to do with it being wrapped round some poor duck or dolphin or something.

coffeeinbed Thu 07-Feb-13 16:53:47

Floss is wonderful, it's the disposing thereof that's fraught with worry - must go in bin or sea creatures will suffer.
I'm with the WhoKniows on hair- I like it messy and hairdresser dries it straight to cut.
Which seems like a waste.

Jacksmania Thu 07-Feb-13 20:00:53

I just wind floss around my finger to form a little circle and pull it off and bin it.

I hate my hair when my stylist has dried it.

Actually, I currently hate my hair, period. I used to have a fabulous inverted bob, just above my shoulders. Then I thought to grow it longer so I can pull it back for yoga. I love that. Pulled back, it looks great. But when I leave it down it looks shit and flat and blah. sad

I have a real love-hate relationship with my hair, when it's good it's fabulous, when it's bad its bloody awful and I never know which it's going to be when I wake up in the morning. I never keep it the same for long and am always tinkering with styles and products.

When I have it blowdried in a salon they always make me look like one of the Loose Women, I am much more casual and it just doesn't feel like me.

ProlificWillyBreeder Sat 09-Feb-13 11:17:20

Me too who knows today is a bad hair day

frostfrond Sat 09-Feb-13 20:05:57

Does anyone else wear normal pants under their shapeware?I do and always have and it looks fine

thenightsky Sat 09-Feb-13 22:32:48

Oh yes... I always wear a pair of normal knickers under shapewear. I'd consider it a bit mucky not to.

ProlificWillyBreeder Sun 10-Feb-13 10:00:21

Where do you get your shape wear from and it is true to size? I think my shape wear vest is t

ProlificWillyBreeder Sun 10-Feb-13 10:00:39

too big and thus not working!

thenightsky Sun 10-Feb-13 10:12:52

I've had some good shapewear from TKMaxx in the past, but my full length bra sized best of all one is from M&S.

ProlificWillyBreeder Sun 10-Feb-13 17:29:42

Thanks I'll go to M&S smile

frostfrond Sun 10-Feb-13 17:32:45

I get mine from Primark.the one with the high waist and long bits on the leg. Not glamorous but I really like it

marthamydear Sun 10-Feb-13 21:34:26

Thanks for the tip garlic block... I'll see if it helps

garlicblocks Sun 10-Feb-13 22:48:27

smile Hope you find the right one for you, Martha.

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