Part 3- Fully fledged perfumistas- share your fragrances

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shoeprincess2 Tue 22-Jan-13 17:27:17

Part 2 is nearly full!

CointreauVersial Tue 22-Jan-13 18:21:08

Wafting in on a cloud of Sel Marin.....

DonaAna Tue 22-Jan-13 19:11:22

Limping in, coughing! Thanks for the new thread Shoe!
Linking back to the old thread as it is choc-full of info and experiences.

Calone smells aquatic, salty, watermelon-like. Sniff Cool Water by Davidoff and you'll know. Civet (or actually synthetic civet nowadays) smells skanky. It's used a lot in classic French perfumery (Jicky for example) but many modern perfumes have been sanitized.

If you want to learn more about raw materials, Essence and Alchemy by Mandy Aftel is a great introduction to natural raw materials. However, the overwhelming majority of molecules used now are completely synthetic. We speak of roses although we should speak of rose ketones and betadamascenone. Perfume Shrine had a great blog post about that deja senti / why everything smells the same now (=because nearly everyone uses the same cheap and plentiful aromachemicals).

MrsHavisham Tue 22-Jan-13 19:25:26

Just bought copies of opium, dune and amarige from the perfume parlour and they smell gorgeous! Thanks to whoever recommended it.

carbondated Tue 22-Jan-13 19:27:05

My new favourite (well, affordable favourite anyhow) is Shiseido Zen. I got it while I was abroad and absolutely love it. A tiny squirt of it lasts all day.
Dona I am gobsmacked by your knowledge. Do you work with perfumes?

shoeprincess2 Tue 22-Jan-13 19:51:09

Thanks for linking in the old thread Dona- didn't want to lose all that info!!

Haberdashery Tue 22-Jan-13 21:27:34

Hope you feel better soon, DonaAna.

I've just had a tiny squirt of CiocoRosissimo and I'm really not sure at all! The chocolate is overpowering. Hmmm. Will see how it settles down.

DonaAna Tue 22-Jan-13 21:37:12

Nah, I'm just an amateur - literally, I love perfume wink

Anyone can learn a lot about perfume just by sniffing a lot. Most people have very good noses - describing what we smell is the tricky part. Perfumers train that skill by repeatedly smelling raw materials, perfume accords or reference perfumes. Need an easy accord? Patchouli - rose: it's very common both in niche and mainstream. Another classic simple accord - labdanum - vanilla: amber. Some slightly more complex accords are the chypre accord and the fougere accord. Once you get some of these basics down, roughly classifying and naming perfumes is much easier. You could say fruity-floral is a basic accord too, but usually a fuity-floral has several fruit notes and several floral notes.

I find side-by-side smelling a very useful way to smell, especially among perfumes that are quite similar.

My personal ability to distinguish notes is average or below average. That's not my thing really - I'm after the moods and feelings and images that perfumes can evoke. I love quirky perfumes that dare to be different.

joliejolie Tue 22-Jan-13 21:41:43

Flowerbomb is my current favourite, but I also love L'occitane cherry blossom (only EDT though) and Pear and Freesia by Jo Malone.

IsabelleRinging Tue 22-Jan-13 21:58:59

I was wondering what JM pear and freesia was like jolle, as I have a big bottle of Pomegranate Noir which I am not fond of, and their website recommends layering it with P&F to freshen and soften it. Is it sweet? Don't really want to splash out though unless I would love the combination so might just ebay the PN (too medicinal clove for me). Also I would be more likely to prefer the P&F on it's own.

Anyone know the prices for the Chanel Exclusifs ?

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 22-Jan-13 22:03:52

£190 for the big bottle, around £120 for the small, Isabelle.

joliejolie Tue 22-Jan-13 22:12:11

I have worn pomegranate noir with the pear and freesia and they are very nice together. The PN is quite strong, but the P&F is very sweet and light. Love it!

bottleofbeer Tue 22-Jan-13 22:19:39

200ml is only £70 more expensive? might as well buy the 200ml really.

Love, love Flowerbomb. It smells warm? I like warm perfumes, Paul Smith's are along those lines but a fair bit cheaper, Flowerbomb is quite expensive for a mainstream if you ask me. I don't know how true it is but I once heard Viktor and Rolf don't do big ad campaigns precisely so they don't become mainstream - to keep them a bit exclusive?

That might be absolute balls btw.

CointreauVersial Tue 22-Jan-13 22:21:02

Isabelle, if you are passing through Gatwick they do the Exclusifs in the Duty Free shop at a marginally cheaper price.

IsabelleRinging Tue 22-Jan-13 22:56:24

Thanks everyone! Pear and Freesia sounds promising... may try it next time I'm spraying in the shops. Not a Jo malone fan really.

Good tip about Gatwick!

Don't think their theory worked then for Viktor and Rolf as I smell Flowerbomb everywhere along with Jimmy Choo and Juicy Couture.

Wearing Sisley Soir du Lune today, last bit of my sample, it is chypre, quite sweet though but does have a mossy note to it, it has quite a strong honey note in the dry down which is all that is left now after 17 hours. Quite tenacious at first, very long lasting. I think it smells expensive and classy and not too sexy a perfume, something you could wear to the office.

bottleofbeer Wed 23-Jan-13 08:13:02

I bought Jimmy Choo at duty free but I'm really not sure I like it.

I really want to because I bought a big bottle, not even particularly impulsively either. Tried it in duty free on the way out, liked it the entire holiday and bought it on the return. It's just sitting there now. It's another sweet one though.

I'm obviously going to have to just admit I don't, if I did the bottle wouldn't still be full a year and a half later. If I hadn't slopped a load of pillar box hairdye all over the packaging I could have given it as a present grin.

Haberdashery Wed 23-Jan-13 09:59:12

Testing Orange Star today. LOVELY. This opens with a really zingy amazing fresh bright orange/citrus smell, almost sherbety. It has started to get a bit more flowery now but the citrus is still really prominent - very impressed with this as I adore citrussy anything and usually that fades really fast. It's absolutely gorgeous.

shoeprincess2 Wed 23-Jan-13 10:13:25

Yes, it is Haberdashery. It reminded me of orange cordial or something. Really glad I picked it as a sample. I am racking up a fair list of Tauers that I would like to own as a fb, though realistically, decants are probably the way forward.

Haberdashery Wed 23-Jan-13 10:43:03

It sort of reminded me of squash, too (in a good way). But cordial sounds much nicer! grin

shoeprincess2 Wed 23-Jan-13 11:40:24

Inspired by you haberdashery, I have put on some Orange Star too! I kept getting wafts in the post office and thinking"something smells nice". Oh yes, it's me smile.

So, Mona di Orio scents- anyone wear, or tried the vanille? I have put the oud one on my sampler list, but have heard good things about the vanille too. I don't like overly sweet fragrances, so if it is very sweet, I might give it a miss...

DonaAna Wed 23-Jan-13 12:11:44

For me, Jimmy Choo was a real disappointment. It starts out well-orchestrated, promising a big, symphonic perfume, and is then gone in 15 minutes (what was left over was a squeaky, irritating bubble bath basenote). Perfumes like that keep pushing me to the niche side - they are engineered to facilitate impulse purchases at a duty free.

I have sampled a few Mona di Orios but not the vanilla. Cuir is slightly scary, Rose d'Hollande too ladylike and powdery; the amber is everything that I dislike in perfume (I have difficulties with the heavy-handed italianate style - Teint de Neige and other Villoresis; Profumi del Forte; the Acqua di Parma line - many other people wear them well, on me they are just leaden and oppressive).

Too sick to really wear perfume. But giving Antaeus a try - a bear hug of a perfume.

Haberdashery Wed 23-Jan-13 12:35:06

>> I kept getting wafts in the post office and thinking"something smells nice". Oh yes, it's me


I love the classic Acqua di Parma cologne which is lovely to spritz liberally on a hot day, but everything else that I have tried from that range has really underwhelmed me. I was particularly horrified by the almond one as I normally adore almondy and nutty smells but thought this smelt like a very sweet almond liqueur.

Pseudonymity Wed 23-Jan-13 13:19:11

Hello! I am obsessed with Noir de Noir by Tom Ford. Trying to decide whether to buy. I really connect with the Tom Ford Privé line. I currently wear Violet Blonde by Tom Ford (not a Privé). In the past I have loved and worn - Chanel Cristalle (a divider), Infusion d'Iris. I find that I actually hate most perfumes so finding the Tom Ford Privé ones, of which I like many, was a real boon. Sorry to talk of love and hate but it's pretty much like that for me with perfumes. Had zero success at my visit to Les Senteurs, sadly.

IsabelleRinging Wed 23-Jan-13 13:42:02

I'm now looking for a new fresh white flower sort of perfume for summer, can anyone recommend one? I'm not too fond of citrus. Was thinking of ordering a sample of Tauer Carillion Pour un Ange as the description sounds nice, has anyone else tried it and what others should I sample?

I am wearing Amy Childs today (thought I would give it a chance) and it is a blatent copy of Calvin Clein Euphoria which I used to like a few years ago. <wonders what it would smell like layered with the Pomegranate Noir>

Is scent and sensibilty any good for samples? They seem to be more generously sized ones according to their website.

shoeprincess2 Wed 23-Jan-13 14:08:50

Isabelle- I cannot recommend scent and sensibility high enough. Little 2ml spritz bottles for testers, and Ronny often puts in an extra sample in for you. I have ordered quite a lot of samples from there and it is excellent service! Not sure about white flower summer fragrances. Maybe order a sample of Pentachord White by Tauer and see what you think?

Haberdashery Wed 23-Jan-13 14:35:43

Carillon pour un Ange is lovely, Isabelle. It is intensely flowery with a similar slightly spicy, leathery drydown to lots of the other Tauers.

Scent and Sensibility is fab. I recommend it highly, too. V quick service and as shoe says, FREEBIES!

Haberdashery Wed 23-Jan-13 14:36:28

I wouldn't call Carillon fresh, really, though. It's more like being whacked over the head with a huge bouquet of lilies (in a good way).

Haberdashery Wed 23-Jan-13 14:38:01

Sorry, pressed post too quickly. What I mean by that is that it's pretty full on stuff, not at all what you'd expect from such a flowery perfume.

IsabelleRinging Wed 23-Jan-13 14:44:47

Thanks Shoe and Haber I had a look at the notes on Fragrantica for Pentacord and don't think it's quite what I am after as it has amber and vanilla in it. I was imagining something very green and floral and fresh, but also interesting. Something like Cristalle maybe, without all the citrus????? I love carnal Flower, but that is a bit too WOW for what I need for daytime. Think I will try Carillon. Bad idea to imagine fragrances in my head as they never seem to exist in real life.

Haberdashery Wed 23-Jan-13 14:48:27

Do you like lavender? If so, try Reverie au Jardin, also Tauer. It's a lot greener and fresher and 'cleaner' smelling than Carillon.

Maybe something like Chanel No 19 or the slightly softer Poudré version?

shoeprincess2 Wed 23-Jan-13 14:57:18

Yes Chanel 19 or maybe Chanel Chance Eau Fraiche.

IsabelleRinging Wed 23-Jan-13 15:05:59

Hmmmm, the Poudre version might a good one to try, have tried Chanel 19 and do quite like that, but it's still not what I am imagining. Has anyone tried Marc Jacob woman as that came up in my google search for 'fresh white floral perfume' ? I don't like Chance, but haven't tried the Eau Fraiche, that looks promising too so will give it a try, as long as it's not too lemony.

shoeprincess2 Wed 23-Jan-13 15:09:46

Why don't you try one of the Guccis- maybe Flora, or Gorgeous Gardenia, or Glamorous Magnoila. They might be something for summer.

IsabelleRinging Wed 23-Jan-13 17:58:45

Thanks shoe, some good ideas. Can't wait for my Manchester shopping trip on Saturday, have so many perfumes I want to have a sniff at, I might have to take my coffee beans in my handbag to sniff between scents.

bottleofbeer Wed 23-Jan-13 20:03:30

Strange, I think Jimmy Choo really, really lingers. This threads prompted me to try it again. Had a bath since (still didn't like it) but I can still smell it. It's almost chemical though.

I've got a feeling I was doing the whole tarts handbag thing in the duty free and have accidentally hit upon an amazing combo that I've assumed to be the JC grin I honestly can't fathom why on Earth I bought it otherwise. It's unpleasant.

shoeprincess2 Wed 23-Jan-13 20:06:46

Don't forget to pop into Space NK on St Ann's Square and have a smell of some of the Tocca fragrances. There might be something there that takes your fancy. House of Fraser (Kendals) as well and maybe score some samples!

coffeeinbed Wed 23-Jan-13 20:12:54

Isabelle, the new Hermes is beautiful flower one.
Or try Eau du Ciel, Le Chevrefeille - that's very fresh and green honeysuckle.
Artisan L'Ete en douce and L'eau dArtisan are lovely.
If you like Carnal Flower try La Chasse au Papillons - white flowers and tuberose again, but much more tempered.

IsabelleRinging Wed 23-Jan-13 21:29:05

The Hermes one sounds promising from the reviews, doesn't seem to be available yet though. I luurrve Hermes just for their bottles. I have Kelly Caleche which I love and to me smells really leathery, but reviews say it is barely noticeable, I can smell leather in this much more than I can in things like No19, where I can only really smell moss in the base with a hint of leather. It is lovely. I have tested the Jardin series loads, and I find them really fascinating, but none of them seem wearable to me. Apres a la mousson is beautiful and I love smelling it on a tester strip, but there is something nauseous about it, like over ripe melon.

Haberdashery Thu 24-Jan-13 10:33:52

Une Rose Chyprée today. So far, absolutely lovely. It has a similar sharp sherbety note in the opening which reminds me of Orange Star. It's a bit softer and less in your face than some of the other Tauers. But a gorgeous smell all the same. The rose is very light and soft. Very very nice indeed.

Haberdashery Thu 24-Jan-13 10:59:48

Oooh! The postman has just been and my Knize Ten has arrived! I haven't tried it yet. I'm waiting for my Rose Chyprée to fade and finish. Rose Chyprée is nicely warm now. I can still smell the flowers. I think this is a really sophisticated smell. It's very grown up.

shoeprincess2 Thu 24-Jan-13 11:06:03

Une Rose Chypree sounds beautiful. I think I shall be ordering a sample of that. Excited for your Knize 10 sample too... It is going to be part of my next les senteurs order. My postman sometimes only arrives at 4pm angry

DonaAna Thu 24-Jan-13 11:58:39

A quick hi to everyone. Hats off brave ladies, Knize 10 is quite scary!
Can smell something, but don't want to wear anything very risky, so Seville l'aube it is.

When it wears of, I could put on some Une Rose Chypree as well. Or Lys du Desert which would also feel lovely on a cold but bright winter day.

Aren't Tauers wonderful? I'm so happy that so many of you have found them.
I think the sharp mandarin opening note is one of the Tauer signatures (the Tauerade base being another).

shoeprincess2 Thu 24-Jan-13 12:03:21

<waves to Dona > Hope you are keeping well and the cold is improving. I have a grumpy baby with the same thing- poor boy. So, we're camping in our lounge today. Agree with you on the Tauer opening and closing- it's the middle bits that vary. I am looking forward to Haberdashery's report on the knize 10. I like the idea of scary. I don't do safe anymore grin

Haberdashery Thu 24-Jan-13 12:42:12

Hi DonaAna. Hope you're completely better soon.

Rose Chyprée is getting better and better - I think this one is a real classic - quite spicy and warm now but the rose is still there, floating over the top. It's just beautiful all the way through. I may try a bit of Knize 10 later as I'm really looking forward to it. I also like the idea of scary! CDG Tar sounded scary but actually turned out to be incredibly wearable.

Lonestar was the first Tauer I tried and that is quite different at the start from a lot of the others. They all have that amazing spicy warm base, though.

CointreauVersial Thu 24-Jan-13 12:55:14

I feel another sample order coming on.... so many more I want to try. I have a list! I am still waiting for the second half of my S to C order, so I really ought to wait a while.

Chanel Coromandel today - I was in a rush this morning and it was the first one to hand, but it is lovely. I now have a 10ml decant so I don't have to fret about my sample running dry.

DonaAna Thu 24-Jan-13 13:21:09

Cointreau this is a perfect time for Coromandel.
Tauer does modern orientals really well. After falling in love with a couple of his perfumes it's really difficult to get excited about the newest mainstream Angel clone. wink

Shoe forza! Feel for you, hope the baby gets better soon (and elevate the head part of the crib - phonebooks or Russian novels are good props). My "sick" preschooler has been playing on iPad for most of the day <good parenting award>

Really need to wear Une Rose Chypree. Haber I love your description.

Need to muster the enthusiasm for a couple more hours of writing somehow <yawn>

I'm idly wondering whether I could somehow route a work trip via Munich. There is a perfume heaven there (Suendhaft - they do samples too) that I'd really like to visit....

shoeprincess2 Thu 24-Jan-13 13:31:57

Ha- yes, a good Tolstoy does the trick under the mattress smile. Just heard that our friend's little boy has got a chest infection- we saw them on Sunday. Eeeek! I am wearing Bois Des Iles today. It is ok, but it's no Coromandel.

Haberdashery Thu 24-Jan-13 13:45:45

Une Rose Chyprée continues to surprise. It seems to have a soft warm almost jammy note in the middle, rather like the sweet puddingy hit near the end of Lonestar. Unlike Lonestar, I'm also getting an almost soapy clean-smelling waft along with the jam. Most surprising in both cases and not at all what I was expecting to happen! I do like perfumes like this where the smell changes and evolves with time.

I also have a List, Cointreau. Sadly, it seems to be getting longer with time rather than shorter. Well, not really sadly but quite expensively...

Haberdashery Thu 24-Jan-13 13:46:25

And good wishes to all poorly people. My daughter was coughing and sneezing this morning so it's only a matter of time until I join you.

YouOldSlag Thu 24-Jan-13 16:06:14

Isabelle- you might like Cristalle Eau Vert. It's a very light floral and very delicious.

In other news, today I tried at random, Ghost Sweetheart.

It is utterly vile and it won't bloody go away!

IsabelleRinging Thu 24-Jan-13 16:16:43

I do actually have Cristalle eau Vert grin. I do quite like it, but don't love it as i'm not a big citrus fan and to me it is lemon. It's very refreshing on hot days which is the only time i enjoy it.

Yes, Ghost sweetheart! YUK! I gave mine to my daughter to play with! The original Ghost smells cheap to me as well. I have a well meaning realative who gives me a scent every christmas. The last few years it has been Ghost Sweetheart, Ghost, Bench EDT, and this year it was Amy Childs EDT! DH has had the pleasure of UMBRO, David Beckham, M&S something, and Calvin Clein in a plastic bottle (can't remember it's name).

Wearing Ellie Saab today- bored of it though.

farewellfarewell Thu 24-Jan-13 16:37:11

Has Cabotine de Gres been mentioned? Stalked a college mate until I found out the name of her scent and have used it since.

shoeprincess2 Thu 24-Jan-13 16:39:49

farewell- i think there was a fair bit of love for Cabotine in the second part of the perfumista thread. I know I owned a bottle about 20 years ago, when I was a shy, awkward teenager. I didn't appreciate then, so maybe I need to re-discover grin

YouOldSlag Thu 24-Jan-13 16:49:18

I'm a big fan of Cabotine and its surprisingly affordable. A beautiful green floral!

Haberdashery Thu 24-Jan-13 20:55:12

<updates List>

IsabelleRinging Thu 24-Jan-13 21:45:51

I have never heard of Cabotine, where can I try it?

It is a bargain price on Cheap Smells £12.75 for 100mls!

CointreauVersial Thu 24-Jan-13 22:51:34

I used to love Cabotine, very pretty.

My next batch of samples arrived today, including the Knize Ten. I opened the five samples for a quick sniff and got a little on my fingers, and it reeked! For hours. I don't know which one was the culprit but I clearly am not going to like all of them.

From what I could work out the Knize Ten smelled like a bicycle repair shop, all oil and rubber. I will report back once I've tried it on skin (which might not be this weekend as I have a family party and don't want to scare Grannygrin ).

YouOldSlag Thu 24-Jan-13 22:52:23

I was surprised to find Cabotine in my local High Street branch of The Perfume Shop. It was £20 for 100mls, so do as I do- try it in the shop then buy it cheaper online.

Haberdashery Fri 25-Jan-13 10:47:06

Oooh, Cointreau, what did you get apart from Knize Ten?

I've just put some Knize Ten on. I am loving it so far. I have only just put it on but the opening is lots of tar and rubber, very uncompromising and harsh, but I'm also getting a sweet gentle floral note which is putting me very much in mind of Parma Violets (a smell I absolutely love). I'm very very interested to see how this develops. Not what I was expecting at all.

CointreauVersial Fri 25-Jan-13 11:23:16

I'm trying the first of my newly-arrived samples today - Timbuktu by L'Artisan Parfumeur. I bought it mainly because it is rated very highly by Turin/Sanchez and the notes sounded interesting.

Well, I'm completely underwhelmed so far.hmm I put it on first thing; it smelled innocuous and mildly soapy and had virtually disappeared by the time I got back from the school run. So I ladled on a bit more.....still....meh. If I press my nose into my wrist I can just detect an incensey note, but it's soooo soft. Maybe I've been spoiled by all the big butch Tauers and Tom Fords I've been sampling recently, but I do like a fragrance to have a bit of presence, like to smell it wafting around me occasionally during the day.

Anyway, I just re-read the Luca Turin review, and he said that he was similarly unimpressed the first time he tried it, but realised on later testing that it was a great fragrance, so maybe I'll come back to it.

I have Knize Ten, L'Heure Bleue (tried before, just wanted to wear it a few times), Le Labo Iris 39 and, the one I'm most looking forward to trying, Ambre Sultan.

Haberdashery Fri 25-Jan-13 11:49:43

Exciting stuff. I know someone who loves Timbuktu but I've never tried it. I am looking forward to hearing what you think of Ambre Sultan.

Knize Ten continues surprising and lovely. I'm getting whiffs of dark leather and spice now in combination with something that's reminiscent of cherry Tunes. That and the violet must be some kind of olfactory illusion because they're not mentioned in the notes listed in various places online at all. I am absolutely in love with this. It's amazing. And I discovered that Manufactum sell 15ml of it for not much money at all. Hoorah!

coffeeinbed Fri 25-Jan-13 16:30:02

I'd love to know what you think of Iris39, Cointreau.
been wearing it almost nonstop since Christmas.

shoeprincess2 Fri 25-Jan-13 16:51:04

Knize 10 sounds right up my street, seeing as I adore rubbery leather smells <deviant face>. Ambre Sultan is absolutely gorgeous. I have just put some on and it justs lifts my mood. Cointreau- I do think the big ballsy Tauers and Tom Fords spoil you for other fragrances. I feel cheated if a scent whispers instead of shouts. I'm not a loud person, either, so obviously I like my perfume to do the talking!

Just heard about another site UK based and do a 7 pack sampler of Histoires De Parfum for a tenner <hides credit card>.

Have a fragrant weekend

DonaAna Fri 25-Jan-13 20:37:59

Hats off to Haber. You really have guts! Knize 10 conquered. You go girl!
Now go to Basenotes and find Alfarom there (he also has a blog). You'll probably like most of what he recommends - he loves rare, edgy, fierce things. CdG, Knize, whatnot... Go and enjoy, and please keep reporting! (I'm sure you'll enjoy his avatar too.) I wouldn't be surprized if Knize 10 had some methylionone in the mix - you have a good nose and I would trust it. Perfume companies take a lot of artistic liberty with notes lists and a butchy classic might not want to be seen in public wearing a gauzy violet tutu.

A superbusy workday. Haven't even thought about perfume, let alone put any on. Will wear something tomorrow for sure. <going cold turkey, shaking>

Coffee Iris 39 is lovely, really up my street. I also own Iris Silver Mist, 28 La Pausa, Zagorsk, and Pentachord White and these five great perfumes satisfy all my iris/irone needs.

Shoe I'm not sure anyone who hasn't tried Histoires de Parfums can call herself a true perfumista wink They have so many great perfumes they must have something for everyone. You actually inspired me to get out of my warm bed (yes, I'm wiped out) and walk all the way across the house to put on some Moulin Rouge. Mmmm, so good, I should wear this much more often...

I love quite a few blockbuster perfumes. I once wore Kouros on one wrist and Le Male on another I have a fondness for Poison, Amarige, etc, and have toyed with the thought of getting a mini of vintage Giorgio grin
Loud perfume is generally not a problem in Italy - frail old ladies wear Fracas on public transport. The only time I have gotten angry stares was when I was testing Code pour Femme by Armani in a supermarket. <heave>

Rollergirl1 Fri 25-Jan-13 21:01:15

What a great thread! I love perfume and I will take my time to go back and read all posts properly.

My current perfume is Valentina by (surprisingly enough) Valentino. I always seem to be drawn to the same types of perfume. Sweet, almost on the verge of being cloying. They are generally pink in colour (but I guess that doesn't mean anything?). Past faves have been Lola, Stella, Flowerbomb, Ghost, Jean Paul Gaultier.

My all time fave perfume, and the one that got away, is Strenesse by Gabriele Strehle. This one wasn't pink (although it smelled like it should be). No, this one looked like a big plastic test tube full of spunk. But it was utterly gorgeous and I was gutted when they stopped producing it.

DH is a bit of a "fragrance" nutter too. He loves loves loves most of the Commes des garcons stuff. The more artificial smelling the better. Bring on the nail varnish remover! I recently bought him Molecule 01, recommended by the salesman at Liberty's. I'm sure you've all heard about it. DH wasn't/isn't impressed. It just doesn't smell. You can smell it when he first puts it on but within 30 mins it's gone. Massive waste of money, don't believe the hype!

Rollergirl1 Fri 25-Jan-13 21:10:44

Still reading the thread, but just wanted to ask:

DonaAna: Have you read the book Perfume by Patrick Suskind?

DonaAna Fri 25-Jan-13 21:39:27

Roller I have two copies of the Süskind book (love the cover art) but haven't read it <shameful secret>

You are intriguing me with pink perfumes. I can think a several that smell pink to me - Beige by Chanel, Acqua e Zucchero by Profumum Roma, Gourmand Coquin by Guerlain - but I'm not quite sure what they look like. DDs love Aquolina Pink Sugar wink Acqua e Zucchero is e perfect brunch perfume for me (pure patisserie) so might wear it tomorrow.

Molecule 01 is pure Iso E Super. Some people can't smell it at all. I can feel in on me for up to 48 hours sometimes - it comes and goes but is very tenacious. I used to love Iso E Super but it's sloppily overused as a substitute for cedar these days in far too many perfumes these days and I've gotten a bit tired of it.

Anyone feeling a bit sample greedy? Don't forget Parfümeria Neroli. They have some of the cheapest perfume samples in Europe and a great lineup. Well worth the postage fees and currency calculations. My Acqua e Zucchero and Molecule 01 samples come from them...

williaminajetfighter Fri 25-Jan-13 21:49:44

Isabelle. Kai is a great white flowers perfume. Really gorgeous and it's an oil so has lots of longevity. Apparently worn by Jennifer Aniston and other celebs blah blah

I've tried so many products but too many of the High st brands are watered down and just smell like alcohol. Right now love Serge Lutens Louve and this amazing perfume called Lemon Cloud. Crisp lemons on a cloud of marshmallows!

I buy all my samples from Luckyscent in the US. Is there a better UK source for samples?

YouOldSlag Fri 25-Jan-13 21:52:16

Louve made me feel drunk on cherry brandy! Whoa there on the cherries Serge!

Rollergirl1 Fri 25-Jan-13 21:58:28

Surely the colour has nothing to do with the scent? That's just marketing, non?

Rollergirl1 Fri 25-Jan-13 22:00:14

So 16 - 25 girls like pink perfume. Let's package accordingly.

Haberdashery Fri 25-Jan-13 22:02:36

I will definitely go and look out for Alfarom, DonaAna. Thanks for the tip. I was very surprised at how very floral Knize Ten turned out. I honestly wasn't expecting that. I'd read reviews but not looked up notes as, having been told it was a bit scary, I wanted to see what I thought without preconceptions.

Pink perfumes made me smile but I know exactly what you mean, Rollergirl. I hate 'pink' perfumes and am divided on brown ones but like very few of them. I like green, yellow, white, orange and tan/bronze perfumes. I like a few blue ones. Black ones are mostly OK. Purple, well, I'm not sure I know any purple perfumes. Maybe Poison?

William, Scents and Sensibility has been really good for me. They usually chuck a reasonably sized freebie sample in if you order a few at once so it works out as pretty decent value.

Intrigued by Histoires de Parfums. I will have to investigate.

DonaAna Fri 25-Jan-13 22:09:12

UK is a pretty dismal place for a HC perfume lover - the main options are Les Senteurs and Scent and Sensibility and some of the better department stores. Escentual sometimes does samples.

Luckyscent sells many really unique perfumes. I love them and would order more often but Italian customs steal my packages.

I have a great selection of niche and mainstream perfumes locally - if I order by mail, I tend to order from perfume houses directly. But I love Alla Violetta and Parfümeria Neroli - both have exquisite things. But yes, for some things US based Surrender to Chance and Luckyscent are the only options. And Crystal Flacon is the place for decants - some UK based sellers there too.

Finally, there is First in Fragrance (German). I find their website clunky and never order from them, but they have a lot of unusual things too. Suendhaft intrigues me (their samples are 4€ each).

CointreauVersial Fri 25-Jan-13 22:37:05

DonaAna, noooo, not Giorgio! I love the description of it in the Turin/Sanchez book "a twelve foot singing canary".

Brings back too many memories of working there - happy days, though (met my DH there).

williaminajetfighter Fri 25-Jan-13 23:12:31

Wow Donna you know your stuff!

Louve is great and I love cherry almondy smells. Also a big fan of Micallef Vanilla fleur. I really don't have a very refined palette! It's all food for me!

Dailypolish Fri 25-Jan-13 23:46:32

I'm boring, I only wear one scent, it's my signature! Le Labo - Poivre 23

williaminajetfighter Sat 26-Jan-13 00:05:38

I love le labo perfumes. Quite partial to Ambrette.

DonaAna Sat 26-Jan-13 12:54:24

I need some Giorgio in my lifewink
When I was a teen, a friend wore the yellow classic Giorgio and another Red by Giorgio. In the same room <ka-powww>

A slow, sun-drenched day with Acqua e Zucchero. Don't wear this if you are on a diet. This is a refined mix of all the most delicious bakery smells - a lazy brunch in a bottle. I think the top note is synthetic strawberries or a mix that in Italy is called 'frutti di bosco' - add lots of almond croissant and lashings of pastry cream and you'll get the idea. And did I mention that I'm about to go out to the cafe/pasticceria next door to retrieve a tiramisu cake I ordered an hour ago? wink

Some of us are born gourmand-lovers. One of my most experienced perfumista friends is a gourmand lover and he wears screechy synthetics and sickly ethylmaltols with a panache. His top tip? Try A*Men at least once before you die grin

niminypiminy Sun 27-Jan-13 13:47:12

I was lured by the discussion of Tauer scents a couple of pages back to order some samples (well, it was my birthday. I liked Rose Chypree, Souvenir d'un Jardin hasn't lasted out the morning on me, though it was nice while it was there. But the winner so far by a very long mile, is Maroc pour Elle, which was love at first sniff. Looking back to things I've liked recently - notably Samsara and Shem el Nessim, I guess transparent, subtle scents just aren't my thing blush. I'm surprising myself by how much I like woody notes as well.

I still have Rose Vermeille, Carillon pour une Ange and L'Air du Desert Marocain to go - exciting smile

CointreauVersial Sun 27-Jan-13 18:22:37

Ooh, niminy, L'Air du Desert is one of my favourite new discoveries - I wore it yesterday in fact. I tried Une Rose Vermeille, but found it too sweet and jammy, so I'd be interested to know how Une Rose Chypree differs.

Today I tried something absolutely gorgeous - Guerlain Aqua Allegoria Herba Fresca. Green, fresh, minty, an absolute winner for the summer, I am definitely going back for more.

YouOldSlag Sun 27-Jan-13 19:37:29

Can anyone explain why Feminite de Bois smells like um..knickers?

coffeeinbed Sun 27-Jan-13 19:48:13

Not sure.
Apparently the new version is muskier.
Or the cumin in the old one - it can be perceived as a sweaty note.
Which one do you have?

auldspinster Sun 27-Jan-13 20:23:58

I've got the Serge Lutens one and I don't detect knickers, Boudoir on the other hand...

IsabelleRinging Sun 27-Jan-13 21:10:06

Just back from my little whizz around the Manchester shops.

My first stop was Selfridges. i intended to sniff a few of the exclusifs here. I ended up having a lovely consultation with their 'expert'. She was a lovely chinese lady who brought out a little case with bottles of absolute fragrance oils and she picked out the ones I liked best and matched them to the fragrances. Turns out I liked most things but especially amber, vanilla, vetiver, and sandalwood. I began to doubt her expertise a little when she told me vanilla was the root of the orchid (surely it is the seed pod?). Anyway, the upshot was she gave me samples of Coromandel, no22, Cuir du Russie, and Gardenia.

I then had lots of sniffs, here is what I sniffed

Robert Piguet- Thought I was going to love these> I really liked them all in the initial spray and the top notes were lovely, but when they dried they all smelled very similar to me and dare I say quite 'old ladyish'.
Fracas- more complex than I thought it would be, not a simple teuberose fragrance.
Baghari- quite liked this and the man in Harvey nicks found me a sample.
Visa- The opening smelled just like angel to me, but dried down a bit richer and not quite as modern smelling.
Futur- very potent, not for me.
Petit Fracas- too fruity sweet, more modern than the rest.

Amouage Jubilation- really like this and want to try it on skin next time.

Tobacco Vanille- another I would like to try on skin, very sweet but with a smokey edge

Then I went to Kendalls and tried the Annick Goutals. Got some samples too.
Songes- lovely heady floral, seemed overpowering with gardenia/tuberose at first but dried sweeter.
Un Matin d'orage-green floral, watery and cucumbery, not liking initially.
Nuit Etoilee-This was surprisingly nice-quite a fresh opening which seems to dry into sweetish woody fragrance.
Also got samples of Fleur d'oranger and Ambre sultan and sniffed Un Bois De vanille which I think I love!!!!!

Also had a sniff of Creed Love in White- quite a strange one to my nose, linear and quite cold.

Last off this morning was Space NK where I sniffed a few Toccas- all quite watery and floral, didn't really find one that grabbed me- Bridgette seemed the nicest but i think my nose wasn't working very well as I seem to be starting with a head cold today.

Will try my samples out this week when my nose clears and report back.

Just a last though. DH and I both tried out Coromandel last night. On me it was a warm ambery, woody vannila mix with a slight rooty/earthyness to it. It was totally different on him! All he got was pure rooty/earthy/vetiver smell. Does this one have vetiver? The Chanel consultant let me smell pure vetiver and i really smell it in this but it isn't listed, I wonder if it is something else which I am confusing with vetiver? I love this one so far anyway, much nicer on me than DH.

williaminajetfighter Sun 27-Jan-13 21:31:52

Cointreau. Herbs fresca is brilliant. Great summer fragrance and never tire of it. More complex than people give it credit. Guerlain has some lovely fragrances. Very good quality compared to others within department store...

YouOldSlag Sun 27-Jan-13 21:33:10

coffee- I've got the Shiseido one. Worth Courtesan also smells like knickers on me. So much so, I had to wash it off. It was pure sex but not in a good way.

IsabelleRinging Sun 27-Jan-13 21:35:41

blush Sorry for the long rant.

DonaAna Sun 27-Jan-13 22:02:30

Isabelle, what a lovely day and fantastic treats!

I'm very sad to say this but I do not feel at home in S&B any more. There have been too many snarky and hostile threads lately. I'm seriously considering moving over to Basenotes (Female Fragrance Forum). They have a stricter moderation policy. Not sure how others here feel. And I completely understand if you want to continue posting here - the thread is wonderful, worth keeping alive. Feel free to pm me. And am very sad it has come to this.

coffeeinbed Sun 27-Jan-13 22:05:40

Boudoir has viburnum, now that's knickers.
Not sure about Courtesan.
I'll say the cumin.

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 27-Jan-13 22:12:15

Oh no! Dona Ana, don't go! sad The thread will fizzle and become snarky without your expertise.

CointreauVersial Sun 27-Jan-13 23:23:32

Oh DonaAna, you won't get snarky and hostile on this thread! Don't leave us!

I do see what you mean, though (the breton top thread today got a bit snippy).

CointreauVersial Sun 27-Jan-13 23:50:13

And Isabelle, what a brilliant day! envy

YouOldSlag Mon 28-Jan-13 09:31:50

DonaAna-please just leave the threads that upset you, don't leave MN. Your advice and musings have been invaluable and these perfume threads have been so friendly and warm.

There are always shit stirrers who seem to get a kick out of throwing a stink bomb into a friendly atmosphere. I too have had clashes with a certain poster who does that and it feels quite aggressive at times. I even left Mumsnet a few years ago as I was absolutely trounced in a thread and it hurt more than I care to admit. I was really shocked at how cruel and rude people can be.

However I came back with a new name and was much stronger, walking away when things got heated and feeling encouraged when people said "I agree with Slag". Its been a lifeline since I learned how to dodge the vipers.
Don't give up on us. Your input has taught me more than you realise!

gatheringlilac Mon 28-Jan-13 10:30:17

Hello, I'm de-lurking prompted by DonaAna's post. Don't let the snarkers win.

I was savaged in "Chat" a while ago. I posted asking for information and unfortunately had the misfortune to receive a great deal of abuse from posters I can only assume were drunk. <shrug> Or getting rid of frustrations by posting venomously on the internet.

I received a lot of p.m.s answering my query and apologising for the overt behaviour on my thread. It was very strange. Clearly, a lot of mn-ers were too frightened to post openly.

I cannot convey to you how innocuous my enquiry was without giving my RL issue away!! But it was dullsville.

I now stay mainly in "Style and Beauty", reading this thread, actually.

Has the snarkiness now infected S and B?

I've loved reading the contributions on this thread. I'm an Iris lover - in pretty much all its incarnations - myself, with occasionally sorties into tuberose and chypres. But I love reading everyone's descriptions of their encounters with perfumes. This thread is a very happy, interesting place to be!

Anyway, D.A., what a pain you've experienced a bad case of nettle rash. If this dose of T.C.P. isn't enough to make things better, I'll just take the chance of saying how nice it's been to "read/meet" you on here.

And all the rest of you. smile

niminypiminy Mon 28-Jan-13 10:50:33

Agree so much with these posts - this thread is lovely, and long may it stay that way.

Anyway I am trying my sample of Rose Vermeille today. It's very odd, close to it's rosy, but every so often, and from from a few inches away from my wrist, I get whiffs of jam -- which, oddly, I'm really liking. When I lived in north London, on a street lined with Greek and Turkish shops, I used to be most addicted to rose-petal jam - clear, with rose petals in, and incredibly fragrant. I've never come across it since. it reminds me a bit of that.

Fuzzybirds Mon 28-Jan-13 10:54:02

Hello, another lurker here!
I had to post to agree with the others- this thread is amazing and DonaAna has inspired me to try so many beautiful fragrances I had never even heard of before. I've spent the last five or so years only wearing Coco Mademoiselle on special occasions... today however I am wafting around in L'artisan's Nuit de Tubereuse grin Please don't go DonaAna.

Isabelle, I also had a wonderful smelling day on Saturday in London on a rare day out to the big smoke <country bumpkin> my wallet is somewhat lighter now, but I smell gorgeous!

Haberdashery Mon 28-Jan-13 11:54:29

Please don't go, DonaAna. Any message board can get difficult at times but if you stick to the nice threads, there's no need to be upset by idiots. We would all really really miss you.

CointreauVersial Mon 28-Jan-13 13:18:43

Ooh, gatheringlilac, until recently I wouldn't have recognised iris if it punched me on the nose, but today I'm trying Le Labo Iris 39, and it's gorgeous. Cool and warm at the same time, if that makes any sense, and not at all cloying. What's your fave iris?

Niminy - yes, rose petal jam. But too sugary for me.

coffeeinbed Mon 28-Jan-13 17:50:31

Cointreau, glad to see you like Iris 39. I love it.

I tried their Ambrette yesterday - funny, could not smell a thing.
I remember wearing Ce sour ou Jamais, which has rose and Ambrette.
But the Labo - nothing, I may as well have sprayed water on.

coffeeinbed Mon 28-Jan-13 17:51:42

Sorry, typing on phone.

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 28-Jan-13 17:54:09

I tried Jicky yesterday, which I liked, although it did have that sweaty knickers whiff to it. Today I tried Eau des Merveilles, which I thought was very dull, and had a quick squirt of Bronze Goddess which doesn't do it for me either.

Will no-one try Ivoire and love it with me? How about you, CV, we seem to have similar taste in perfume?

AwkwardSquad Mon 28-Jan-13 18:07:08

Hello, lurker and occasional poster from previous thread. Still haven't got round to ordering my samples but I will - I've promised myself.

I had the opportunity today to have a sniff at some of the Amouage range. My, they were interesting and powerful. I'd have liked to have tried one on, but was already wearing something. I liked the men's ones better than the women's I think. The Opus (might have misremembered that) were particularly intriguing. The ones I tried were very dry - on the tester card, anyway. One was smoke and tar and something else almost medicinal. It was great fun.

kiwigirl42 Mon 28-Jan-13 18:12:49

so glad to see someone else loves Louve. I do adore it so.
I've not been too well so that is mostly all I've been wearing but I'm interested to try Rose Vermeille as it sounds lovely. There is a bottle of Shalimar Ode de Vanille sur le route de Madagascar (phew!) for sale on ebay. I really, really want it! Supposed to a very vanilla focused version of Shalimar. The last 'Ode' was more leathery I think.

Let us know if you start a basenotes thread Dona and we'll join you

CointreauVersial Mon 28-Jan-13 18:41:03

MrsS, I find I don't like Jicky for the first 20 minutes or so, but then the sweaty knicker whiff seems to die away and it gets a lot nicer. I don't love it, though.

Ivoire is irredeemably linked to my stepmum, but I just noticed it relaunched recently. May be worth a try, seeing as you recommend it so highly!

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 28-Jan-13 19:06:17

I haven't tried the relaunched one, CV, just the old version (which I shall stock up on as I don't suppose I will be able to get it soon).

I didn't "love" Jicky either, but I thought it was pleasant enough. I do love "Vol de Nuit" by Guerlain - both the scent and the name, though. I quite like L'Heure Bleue, but don't love it. I loathe Samsara with a passion. I do love my Coromandel, and it seems to be going down at a rate of knots. The only two perfumes that people have commented on when I wear them are Coromandel and Chanel No 22. I wasn't that struck by any of the other "Exclusifs" - I did like Sycomore, but most of the others left me cold.

allpassionspent Mon 28-Jan-13 19:07:33

Hot news from the Smelly Anoraks' Corner - if anyone's enjoyed Luca Turin's books on scent and his contraversial theory of smell, apparently there's a programme about it on the BBC World Service at 19:32 GMT tonight. (It will be re-broadcast throughout the week, or you can download the podcast)

YouOldSlag Mon 28-Jan-13 19:14:03

I couldn't get on with Jicky. I tried hard to like it, but it did nothing for me. It was lemons, lavendar, then pants and herbs.

I tried three times and just got nothing from it.

Louve was too cherries and chocolate for me. Mrs S: I loathe Samsara too, but like Coromandel. Not keen on L'Heure Bleu- too much like Jicky.

williaminajetfighter Mon 28-Jan-13 19:27:41

Bleuch Jicky! Some classics make a comeback, others belong to be left in the past! But that's just me.

Re: the earlier post about Le Labo Ambrette. I read somewhere that Ambrette was meant to be 'perfume for babies' and for that reason really quite light. I think it's just pear and not much else. TBH it's quite expensive for something that doesn't last. I think that Annick Goutal's Petite Cherie is probably the most similar perfume, but a lot stronger. Other Le Labo's are lovely. Labdanum is quite nice.

I am making my way through the samples I received that I never used because I was so 'meh' about them. Today twas Calypso Mimosa. SLightly dull summer scent. I've got loads of Amouage's that I'm trying to get through and although they are much-lauded I'm not so sure. Just tried Interlude Woman and it's making me sneeze!

williaminajetfighter Mon 28-Jan-13 19:28:38

BTW Has anyone tried Keiko's Loukhoum? Trying to get some views on it...

FannyBrawne Mon 28-Jan-13 19:39:39

Dona Ana

Have been wating to send this message all day (prevented due to log in problems).

I too am a lurker....have just recently discovered your pearls of wisdom on these perfume threads (and about to start dipping my toes into "niche" sample terrritory as a direct result).

PLEASE do not leave - you give so much pleasure to everyone on this thread- I really mean that.

coffeeinbed Mon 28-Jan-13 19:58:11

William, KM Loukhoum is probably the sweetest - literally - thing I've ever smelt.
Too much.

coffeeinbed Mon 28-Jan-13 20:04:04

I few days ago I smelt Mitsouko on someone in the tube.
I know it's an amazing example of perfumery and I can appreciate it for what it is, but it was a bit, I don't know, too out there.
It felt out of place.
I think I'm definitely falling out of love with the big classics.

CointreauVersial Mon 28-Jan-13 20:07:47

I agree, coffee. Definitely prefer the more contemporary fragrances.

CointreauVersial Mon 28-Jan-13 20:12:42

allpassion - I heard that vibrating molecule story on the news today, but didn't realise it was Luca Turin involved. I have a scientific background, so found the link very interesting - thanks.

Haberdashery Mon 28-Jan-13 20:25:13

>> One was smoke and tar and something else almost medicinal.

I would absolutely love to know which this one is if you can remember, Awkward. I am a smoke and tar fanatic.

niminypiminy Mon 28-Jan-13 20:28:18

Hah! Have just sent off for a full bottle of Samsara <grins evilly> I think I am swimming against the tide here ... I only really like big classics (though I may make an exception for Le Maroc Pour Elle).

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 28-Jan-13 20:30:44

<holds nose> grin

florascotia Mon 28-Jan-13 20:31:03

Oh Dona Ana
Am so sorry to hear that you might go. Obviously, you must do what you think best, but, before you go away, I would like you and 'Slag' and many other posters to know how interesting and comforting you have been to me - and, I suspect, to many others.
I have been ill on and off since Christmas. Reading the perfumista blog has been a great diversion and pleasure. When other bits of me have seemed to be falling apart (now thankfully getting better) , the sense of smell has continued...

Stupid question, because you are not in the UK. But did you hear the chap on the Today Programme this morning talk about how smell was our 'primeval sense'? His comment was part of an item talking about the molecular mechanics of how we detect smells. Very interesting. The 'primeval' bit rang rather true. Suggests why we all find perfumes so important.

Whenever/wherever you go, all the best ...

allpassionspent Mon 28-Jan-13 20:51:44

Cointreau - thank you. I'm pleased you found it interesting.
Can I add to the praise for this thread? It's so interesting and people are so helpful. I've learned so much (and spent so much!) I didn't know about buying decants and now have a fabulous collection of samples. Thank you ladies (and gents?) and a special thanks to the wonderful Dona Ana. If you do go, you will be sorely missed.

AwkwardSquad Mon 28-Jan-13 20:54:19

Hi Haberdashery, I'm pretty sure it was one of the Library Collection, but I can't recall which number Opus! I'll have a bit more of a dig on Google and see if I can narrow it down. It was all amazing stuff, like bottled decadence. Lovely woman in the shop, letting me sniff them all and explaining what was in each.

AwkwardSquad Mon 28-Jan-13 21:05:30

It may have been Opus IV.

Haberdashery Mon 28-Jan-13 21:09:50

Thanks so much, Awkward. I appreciate it. I will have a look and see if I can find a sample. Where did you smell them?

AwkwardSquad Mon 28-Jan-13 21:31:01

Interlude Man came up in the search results as having smoky and birch tar notes - might be worth a look, too.

AwkwardSquad Mon 28-Jan-13 21:33:46

Sorry, just saw the shop question! I was in an independent department store in Harrogate called Hoopers. They had a lot of Creed as well but I didn't get round to trying them. Is Creed is worth a try? What do folk think of it?

Haberdashery Mon 28-Jan-13 21:39:20

I've tried a couple of Creeds but can't think what just now. I think Green Irish Tweed was one of them. I don't think I was massively impressed, tbh.

Thanks for the Interlude Man tip, too.

aJumpedUpPantryBoy Mon 28-Jan-13 22:24:23

DonaAna, you will be sorely missed if you leave.
I have learnt so much from reading your posts

coffeeinbed Mon 28-Jan-13 22:29:06

There was Angelique Encens.
It was flowers, green top and incense. Beautiful.
Gone now.
Also Fleur Du Thé Rose Bulgare.
Beautiful radiant rose, a bit Eighties though. Lovely if you like lots of roses, but very fresh and green.

Fuzzybirds Tue 29-Jan-13 09:48:39

Niminypiminy you are not alone! I'm a Samsara lover too, it's on my wishlist. I tried Chamade on Saturday and loved it too, yet another one on the list.

Today I'm wearing a L'Artisan freebie sample, mure et musc. I'm a bit underwhelmed with's only been on an hour and a half and has nearly gone. Just getting a slight whiff of sharpish berries and basil now.

williaminajetfighter Tue 29-Jan-13 10:36:33

Fuzzy. I was wearing Mur and musc the other day. A bit meh... Certainly NOT long lasting.

I'm also a bit meh about Creed perfumes. All smell the same to me.

YouOldSlag Tue 29-Jan-13 10:52:16

I'm wearing Fracas today. Wayyyy too sweet and sickly. I find Tuberose almost medicinal smelling sometimes, especially here. I so wanted to like it, but I don't.

Haberdashery Tue 29-Jan-13 12:02:05

Knize Ten today again. The parma violet note is making me crave silly sweets. I may have to go on a search for parma violets and pink shrimps.

CointreauVersial Tue 29-Jan-13 12:58:14

Ooo, Fracas was way too much for me too. I've decided I really don't like tuberose.

I'm trying my sample of Ambre Sultan today. Very incensey and herbal at the start, now much softer with some vanilla notes coming through. Lovely.

Anyway <nerd alert> I'm planning a spreadsheet.

I shall rank all my new samples as Scrubber/Meh/Wear Again/Lovely/Buy More Now grin

shoeprincess2 Tue 29-Jan-13 13:07:48

CV- a spreadsheet is a cracking idea. I loved Fracas, but love Tubereuse Criminelle, which started this whole thread off! I like in your face scents (the ying to my personalisty yang), or something like that. I haven't posted in a while- been a bit potty at shoe towers, with DP away for 2 nights and 4 month old developing bronchiolitis. Gah.

Been nice reading the thread though, but sad news that DonaAna has decided to post no more on here sad. She has been an absolute marvel- I am in awe of her vast perfume knowledge and eloquence when describing fragrances. That said, I understand why she would want a break from MN- some of the snippiness on threads is totally uncalled for!!

I love Ambre Sultan too. I am currently wearing Une Rose Vermeille- I quite like it. Interested to see what Une Rose Chypree is like. Haven't ordered a sample yet. Not sure about knize 10 now. i have it on my list of sample to buy, but the idea of parma violets is putting me off.

Haberdashery Tue 29-Jan-13 13:07:56

Ambre Sultan sounds gorgeous.

I have considered a spreadsheet more than once but haven't got round to it, so I think that probably makes me a lazy nerd.

Haberdashery Tue 29-Jan-13 13:09:21

I don't know if it's just me, shoe. I haven't seen parma violets mentioned by anyone else at all. Maybe some weird skin chemistry thing?

Fuzzybirds Tue 29-Jan-13 13:24:20

Well I slapped on a bit more of Mure et Musc but it's gone again...way too subtle for me I think! Love the sound of Fracas and Knize Ten, I do love a scent that hits me like a sledgehammer grin

There are a few little mini bottles of Fracas pure parfum doing the rounds on ebay at the mo for very reasonable prices, I'm tempted but worried I might set off an uncontrollable stink bomb!

On the subject of ebay bargains, has anyone tried Caron's Montaigne? I've had my eye on a bottle at only £7.99, all above board business seller etc. and most reviews on basenotes are good....just think there must be a catch at that price!

YouOldSlag Tue 29-Jan-13 13:24:43

Agree shoe- Dona Ana will be a massive loss to the thread. I think I know what kind of snarking she was on about from another thread and it was uncalled for. S and B is a peaceful non argumentative forum and when people come on spoiling for a fight, it's really sad.

CV- I definitely have a list of scrubbers! Halston Catalyst, Ghost Sweetheart, Angel (sorry Angel fans), Poison...

shoeprincess2 Tue 29-Jan-13 13:57:56

YouOldSlag- I saw the breton stripe top thread... sad.

Anyway, I hope this thread keeps going because it is a fantastic fragrant journey for everyone. We all have our loves and hates and I don't think anyone on here judges. Long may we continue!

Haberdashery Tue 29-Jan-13 14:14:55

Am scared to look for the breton top thread now, but tempted just so I know what you're on about. What on earth could be so controversial about a stripy cotton top?

shoeprincess2 Tue 29-Jan-13 14:19:21

Quite. I read it because I wanted to know what had been said. I was quite appalled. Anyway, I won't drag down the mood of this thread, as we're all lovely and I, for one, love it as an escape from sickly children, tantrumming toddlers etc.

YouOldSlag Tue 29-Jan-13 16:24:01

It was just someone who wanted a rant and instead of going on AIBU for one, barged into peaceful S and B and was very mocking and sarcastic. Without any need to be.

It was like kicking a football into a flower bed. S and B is peaceful and non confrontational and some bitter idiot had to spoil it and make fun of it.

clb Tue 29-Jan-13 17:24:40

Shared feelings of sadness about Dona Ana here - I've not posted here before but have learned so much, and been so inspired by, her posts. I adored her recommendations of Annick Goutal's Ninféo Mio and Tauer's L'air du désert Marocain.

Went into Selfridge's today for a smell of some Serge Lutens (too early for Les Senteurs close by to be open, or I'd have tried that). Very nice SA sprayed several things for me and talked me through them - I particularly loved Fleurs d'Oranger and put some of that on my wrists, hoping DH will tolerate it. Infuriatingly, he hated L'Artisan's Seville à l'Aube, which made me feel really happy and of which I was planning to buy a FB.

So I've come home with paper sticks sprayed with Serge Noire, which is sweet wood + incense: like it a lot; Jeux de Peau - far too reminiscent of popcorn; Arabie - very Christmassy, with a lot of dried prunes and figs: delicious.

And had already tried a few at House of Fraser - Feminité du Bois (loved but possibly the drydown is less attractive than that of Chergui), À la nuit (overwhelming, overpowering jasmine, still far too strong five hours later), Sa Majesté la Rose (very rich rose with good longevity), Chergui (lovely warm amber drydown) and Un Bois Vanille (far, far too much like candyfloss).

The SA said that there'll be a new Lutens rose in at the end of February, accompanied with a lot of new samples...

Haberdashery Tue 29-Jan-13 18:43:13

Ooh, love the sound of both Serge Noire and Arabie.

Haberdashery Tue 29-Jan-13 18:43:56

And maybe everyone should PM Dona and tell her how much we miss her?

Haberdashery Tue 29-Jan-13 18:51:49

God, I'm such a bird brain. I forgot what I came here to say. I bought myself a lovely scented candle today so I came to recommend the brand. It was Papillon Rouge and it smells amazing. So many scented candles are a bit, well, not very scented at all.

aJumpedUpPantryBoy Tue 29-Jan-13 19:11:23

Thank you Habadashery - I spent ages recently trying to find that brand - i had a candle from them as a gift and it was lovely.
For some reason I had remembered the name as 'Little Red Bird' candles, which, of course wasn't bringing up any results

MrsSchadenfreude Tue 29-Jan-13 20:21:46

I don't particularly like any of Serge Lutens perfumes. I wore Eau d'Ivoire today - a shadow of Ivoire, but less dirty knickers-y, and very long lasting. It's the acceptable face of Ivoire.

Many years ago I used to wear Lanvin's "My Sin" which was probably much too adult for me, but it contrasted nicely with Jovan's "Sex Appeal for Women" which I wore as a 17 year old too. I don't think you can get "My Sin" any more, but I would like to smell it again.

coffeeinbed Tue 29-Jan-13 20:24:33

Bal a Versaiiles is dirty knicker-y .
Just saying, so you can try/avoid (delete as applicable)

Haberdashery Tue 29-Jan-13 20:55:45

Glad to be of service, Pantry! I am very favourably impressed with how lovely and lasting the fragrance is on this candle. It's Orange Benzoin and very warm-smelling and spicy. I think the rain made me buy it. I quite wanted the cut grass one, too, which was amazingly sharp. If anyone lives near Kew/Richmond, they're £22 reduced from £34 in Mia Wood in Kew at the moment. They had quite a selection of them - quite big candles in an attractive glass jar thing.

clb Tue 29-Jan-13 22:28:01

And on candles: currently in residence here are Diptyque's Figuier and Mad et Len's Terre Noire. Sharply contrasting and both strongly recommended.

IsabelleRinging Wed 30-Jan-13 08:02:06

Very frustrated here, really want to try my samples but have a nasty cold and can't smell or taste a thing!

My soon to be 70 mum rang today, she has asked me to get he lancome's La Vie est Belle, not sure what to think about that really hmm.

kiwigirl42 Wed 30-Jan-13 08:25:24

thanks for that website shoe I'm really interested in The Scent of Departure perfumes. Anyone tried them?

kiwigirl42 Wed 30-Jan-13 08:27:57

williaminajetfighter Loukhoum has a really weird plasticky note which I find also in some other very sweet gourmands.

YouOldSlag Wed 30-Jan-13 08:30:11

coffe- thanks for the warning about Bal a Versailles. I hate the dirty knicker smells and I got that from Shiseido's Feminite du bois and also Worth's Courtesan. They smell awful on me- really like an unwashed gusset!

Isabelle, La Vie est Belle isn't bad but it's too praline/caramel for my taste. It's quite a pretty scent though. It's been well received and Dona Ana liked it- so it must be good. I miss her already.

Fuzzybirds Wed 30-Jan-13 10:59:02

Kiwi, just had a look at The Scent of Departure range and am very intrigued. Not many reviews on fragrantica yet though.

I'm testing the last of my L'Artisan samples today- Coeur de Vetiver Sacre. I like this one, it's like smelling lovely aromatic tea with a bit of woodiness and smokiness and some other things my unsophisticated nose can't make out. Another very subtle one though, perhaps better suited to spring/ summer.

Bal a Versailles and Boudoir are on my 'to try' list but I'm a bit wary of testing them in public. If I end up smelling like old pants I'd rather do so in the privacy of my own home grin

shoeprincess2 Wed 30-Jan-13 11:21:16

Boudoir is filthy grin. I was in the Vivienne Westwood shop, as my friend was buying one of the necklaces (quite nice actually and reasonably priced). I had a squirt of it, but it really is too cumin-y and sweaty for my liking. That said, my friend kept getting wafts of it and absolutely loved it. So, maybe you can test in public as maybe it doesn't smell sweaty to others!

IsabelleRinging Wed 30-Jan-13 13:31:38

Boudoir is one of my favourites. It will certainly get you noticed and men love it. I used to wear it to go out in when it first came out and I never had so many men ask me what perfume I was wearing. I think Portrait of a Lady is in the same family and I love that too. You won't smell like pants grin, they just have a subtle muskiness to them.

La Vie Est Belle is nice, just not sure I can imagine it on my normally Youth Dew wearing mum, it strikes me as a 'young' fragrance. If she likes it though I don't suppose it matters. Kind of ironic if she wore it while I wear my L'heure Bleu.

Fuzzybirds Wed 30-Jan-13 14:09:17

You've both convinced me now, I shall hunt out some Boudoir this weekend. I'll be interested to see what dh thinks of it, the only perfume he really takes notice of on me is Coco and everything else is just 'nice'

I love all the perfumes my Mum used to wear, I suppose as they remind me of childhood and growing up- especially Paris and Ysatis. Kudos to your Mum for trying something new though, mine has stuck with Pleasures for years!

IsabelleRinging Wed 30-Jan-13 16:25:31

My nose has cleared a little bit this afternoon so I sprayed a little Coromandel sample on my wrists. OMG I think I love this perfume. Even with my cold I can smell it wafting up to my nose, it is so warm and ambery fuzzy smelling but it has that dirty/earthy quality (patchouli?) which stops it being too gourmand and sickly and gives it a little edgyness. I can see this one making to my 'buy a full bottle' list.

Viviennemary Wed 30-Jan-13 16:40:29

I've just bought a bottle of Apres l'Ondee. It was expensive but I'm not usually extravagant. Quite a few places had sold out. Haven't read all the perfume threads so I hope it isn't going to be discontinued. I got some testers of Jo Malone too. I liked the Orange Blossom and the Jasmine and Mint. This thread is making me want to buy lots of perfume!

YouOldSlag Wed 30-Jan-13 17:03:28

I doubt they'll discontinue Apres L'Ondee. It's been around since 1906. I found it quite cold and melancholy, but whatever I think, you've got yourself a Classic there.

clb Wed 30-Jan-13 17:08:55

Yes, IsabelleRinging, I loved the Coromandel I tried yesterday so much that I ordered a sample from The Perfumed Court this morning (+ one of Bois des Iles).

And some Serge Lutens samples from Les Senteurs, too.

I can still smell the L'air du désert marocain I put on after my shower last night. Incredible longevity and such warmth.

CointreauVersial Wed 30-Jan-13 17:09:37

Fuzzy, I'm having a Coromandel day today too. It was the last of my sample, but I've already splashed out on a 10ml decant, so no worries (too tight to buy a whole bottle).

I have a sample of Bal a Versailles which I too tried on a rainy Sunday when I wasn't planning to leave the house.grin It was nicer than I expected, and DH quite liked it, although he recoiled slightly at first. It is very classy and definitely one to try.

CointreauVersial Wed 30-Jan-13 17:10:30

Not fuzzy, isabelle!

coffeeinbed Wed 30-Jan-13 18:12:41

I've let you all down today.
I didn't put any perfume on.
in my defence it was 6:50 in the morning.

niminypiminy Wed 30-Jan-13 18:15:57

Viviennemary Après L'Ondee is wonderful - I'm wearing it now - I think it's such a beautiful smell. I love it so much that sometimes I wonder if I should get a second bottle in case it is discontinued (there are rumours around about this happening), and it is very hard to get hold of. Also I find that I use quite a lot of it so even a 100ml bottle (which is what I have) won't last forever. But so, so beautiful - worth every penny in my book.

YouOldSlag Wed 30-Jan-13 18:23:55

Whaaaat??? discontinuing Apres L'Ondee??? I simply can't believe it. There'll be another revolution in Paris.

Viviennemary Wed 30-Jan-13 18:59:55

I thought about getting another bottle too. But I did try to find out if it was being discontinued. It has been in the USA apparently. If it's been around since 1906 trust me just to have discovered it now! It is lovely though. I just have to keep spraying a little bit more on and I only got it this morning. I quite like the sound of L'Heure Bleue as well. But must wait a respectable amount of time before splashing out again.

coffeeinbed Wed 30-Jan-13 19:09:16

Well, they did discontinue the perfume, so who knows..
there was a write up in Red Mag today about Frederic Malle's five favourite fragrances - Apres L'Ondee is one - he calls it his "happy perfume".

Viviennemary Wed 30-Jan-13 20:26:30

What were the others coffee?

coffeeinbed Wed 30-Jan-13 20:47:01

Dries van Noter for Frederic Malle - his new one.
Mitsouko - his favourite classic

also the smell of Casablanca Lily
and Cafe Society Candle - the best - according to him - candle.
That was his five favourite smells.
A bit biased, but it's understandable.

YouOldSlag Wed 30-Jan-13 21:24:07

I heard Karl Lagerfeld wore Apres L'Ondee. I can imagine it smelling pretty good on a man.

niminypiminy Wed 30-Jan-13 21:44:24

Oh no! Karl Lagerfeld cannot be my smelly-likey! He's far too creepy!

YouOldSlag Wed 30-Jan-13 22:02:51

He's just wearing it to be difficult! I expect he's a right little madam in RL.

niminypiminy Thu 31-Jan-13 07:14:23

I'm sure he is. At least if KL wears it then Guerlain are unlikely to discontinue après l'Ondee -- can you imagine the huge fashion his hissy fit?

Fuzzybirds Thu 31-Jan-13 10:25:44

I feel like I need to try Apres L'Ondee again, really thought I would love it as violets are one of my favourite flower smells but I couldn't make up my mind about it. I tested it on my first ever visit to Harrods and think maybe I had a bit of a sensory overload <sheltered upbringing>

I keep meaning to pop into Lush and try out Tuca Tuca in case it's the violet scent I've been after..

coffeeinbed Thu 31-Jan-13 10:49:14

What type of violet are you after Fuzzy?

Fuzzybirds Thu 31-Jan-13 11:23:10

Coffee I think something fairly true to the natural scent of violets, a little bit of sweetness but not too sweet, if that makes any sense! I do like Insolence but it's a tad on the sweet side. I haven't so far got on with anything involving Iris, so maybe that's what stops me loving Apres L'Ondee.

Viviennemary Thu 31-Jan-13 11:46:55

Thanks coffee. I've old heard of Mistouko out of those.

Viviennemary Thu 31-Jan-13 11:47:26


gatheringlilac Thu 31-Jan-13 12:15:08

Fuzzybirds, have you tried the Berdoues Violets that MArks and Spencer is now carrying? There's a thread here with comments on the perfumes, as well as suggestions for other violet scents.

coffeeinbed, thank you for extending a welcome smile, my favourite Iris is the Hermes Hiris (I have a feeling we've chatted about that elsewhere). Oddly enough, I had a sample of Rose 31 (Le Labo) and thought that was quite "iris-y" but I don't think it has any iris in it at all. So what do I know!!!

I'm shocked, shocked, shocked about this report of Apres L'Ondee being discontinued!!!!

My dears, does anyone know where I could procure a sample of Lutens' Iris Silver Mist? I caught mention of websites where samples and decants are available but failed to take proper note.

And many apologies for the missing accents and speech marks: am fretting about a trip to buy children's mittens before school pick-up.

CointreauVersial Thu 31-Jan-13 13:19:17

Haberdashery - you're smoke lover - have a look at the review on this blog for The Voice of Reason by Gorilla Perfumes (part of Lush - who knew?). Described as "leather, smoked ham, cigarette ash, barbecue sauce and rum".

Not sure if I want to smell like that, but I would imagine it's not expensive.

I'm trying Timbuktu again. Stil meh. <updates spreadsheet>

IsabelleRinging Thu 31-Jan-13 13:47:43

I can just about smell again so I am trying Ambre Sultan today. I am enjoying some aspects it, it is quite spicy, lots of amber, and the woody/sandalwood is really nice. I think it would have to be a bit more floral for me to want to wear it more though as I find it a little too unisex/masculine for my style. It is nice though, and I would like to smell it on someone else, just not for me. DH gave it a little spray but it was too feminine for him.

Has anyone Datura Noir by Lutens? as that sounds more up my street from the descriptions. Is it really a bit like Hypnotic Poison?

Last night I also had a little spray of my Baghari tester on one arm and Cuir de Russie on the other.

Baghari is described as an oriental, but to me it has a lot of aldehydes, some say it is like Chanel no5, and I can see why, but it is not quite the same. It has quite sharp top notes and a powdery dry down, vintage feeling, almost like Chanel 22 I think, although 22 is nicer. I don't like Baghari, it's just not me.

Cuir de Russie is VERY leathery at first, but as it dries there are more floral notes and a little bit of spice and wood. It is quite soft and feminine, despite the leather. I really enjoyed this one and I would really like a leather scent for winter and would like to try it next to Tuscan Leather to compare (LOOOVEEEE TL). I could still smell this on my arm this morning, but the Baghari had gone.

Haberdashery Thu 31-Jan-13 13:48:32

Blimey, that sounds nuts interesting! I will certainly have a sniff next time I pass Lush. I'm not convinced I want to smell like ham but you never know, it might be amazing!

Haberdashery Thu 31-Jan-13 13:48:58

Sorry, that was to Cointreau!

Fuzzybirds Thu 31-Jan-13 13:55:52

Thank you gatheringlilac, love the look and sound of the Berdoues fragrances. I'm actually wearing an M&S one today, vanille chocolat from Les Senteurs Gourmandes, very Angel-ish with a touch of Palmers Cocoa Butter grin I can't wear it very often as it makes me want to raid the dc's chocolate stash.

There is one seller on ebay doing samples of Iris Silver Mist, £4.50 plus P&P smile

shoeprincess2 Thu 31-Jan-13 14:03:11

Aaaah yes, The Voice of Reason. It was a grey Sunday and I popped into Lush and got chatting to a nice young man about perfumes. He recommended that I try it, being a smke lover. OH MY GOODNESS!! I smelt like a barbecue all day and not in a good way. Burnt meat and HP sauce. It was vile, and I normally go for big fragrances. Try at your peril smile

Haberdashery Thu 31-Jan-13 14:06:28

Oh. That doesn't sound good! Still, I might have a sniff on a tester strip rather than on me!

YouOldSlag Thu 31-Jan-13 14:07:01

Isabelle, I LOATHED Ambre Sultan. it made me feel sick. It smells like weed!

shoeprincess2 Thu 31-Jan-13 14:11:37

Yes Habers- a tester strip is wise. I half expected an exclusion zone to be set up around me!! Would definitely like to try Tuscan Leather and Cuir de Russie. Some more for my sampling list. Full of a cold today, so I am sans perfume. I can't smell or taste a thing.

IsabelleRinging Thu 31-Jan-13 14:28:17

They gave me the sample of Cuir de Russie at Selfridges in Manchester quite readily. Thanks for the tips about kendals also shoe, the SA in there virtually threw samples at me, I didn't even have to ask!

I think I like Tuscan leather more than Cuir de russie it is warmer, a bit sweeter and not as obviously leather as CdeR.

Not getting weed from Ambre Sultan, it's just too spicy I think. it seems to have good longevity and a bit of silage- I can smell myself at least.

shoeprincess2 Thu 31-Jan-13 14:30:20

Excellent. Glad to hear they were generous with the samples. Roll on my trip in a few months!

coffeeinbed Thu 31-Jan-13 16:47:15

I once got the loveliest sample of Beige in Selfridges - a little replica bottle. Too bad I didn't like it - too boring. grin

Gatheringlilac, I remember that Hiris conversation. Always happy to see someone else who loves it.

I though Frederic Malle's favourite smells were a bit of a exercise in evasion - two were classics, one is not out yet.

Fuzzy, have you tried Balenciaga - the first one, it's a green violet.
L'Artisan have Verte Violette and Annick Goutal has a Violet soliflore, and theirs are usually quite true to the plant.

auldspinster Thu 31-Jan-13 19:32:21

Was having a mooch round Jenners and Harvey Nicks today sniffing a few Tom Fords - now want Tuscan Leather and Tobacco Vanille. I've got a few leathery ones already - Cuir de Lancome; Bandit and Jolie Madame. I've got a bottle of Apres le Ondee but it's really not me, ought to ebay it. I have Bal al Versaillies (sp?), don't get dirt off it.

auldspinster Thu 31-Jan-13 19:37:32

Apres l'ondee even. I think I impressed the Guerlain SA when I told her I had Mouchoir de Monsieur (like Jicky but even more so).

Fuzzybirds Thu 31-Jan-13 19:45:33

Thanks coffee, will look out for Balenciaga this weekend. I live in the arse end of nowhere so probably unlikely I'll find any Goutals or L'Artisans but I'll add them to my next sample list smile

CointreauVersial Thu 31-Jan-13 23:12:54

Booooo! Just had an email from Surrender to Chance to say they are massively increasing their international postage. Well, it was an absolute steal.

I was about to place another order, but I thinking I'll be looking somewhere else from now on.

Haberdashery Fri 01-Feb-13 09:27:34

I just had that email too. So annoying. Where else is good in the UK apart from Scents and Sensibility? They are great but the selection is fairly limited. I wanted to get some Serge Lutens samples and they don't seem to have anything of those. I have ordered from Les Senteurs in the past but I much prefer to get a small spray rather than one of those little stopper bottles as I invariably drip my precious sample all over my fingers and Les Senteurs only seem to do stoppers. Plus they don't label the samples so it's easy to get them mixed up.

clb Fri 01-Feb-13 11:21:06

Not UK, but in Germany, so shipping's only 5 EU, is First in Fragrance. They've got a big niche range and do little spray bottles which are properly labelled. No Lutens, though. I'm in the process of putting together a samples order of Tauer, Parfums d'Empire, État Libre d'Orange, Olfactive Studio and L'Artisan.

Dona Ana recommended somewhere in Italy, too, but I can't remember where. sad

I wish Les Senteurs did spray bottles, too.

Haberdashery Fri 01-Feb-13 12:40:54

I'll have to look up DonaAna's posts and see if I can find it. Thanks for the First in Fragrance tip, clb.

IsabelleRinging Sat 02-Feb-13 11:19:30

Morning everyone. I have been trying out Fleur D'oranger from Lutens. It smells exactly as I thought it would from the description, mainly just pure orange blossom, quite fresh, and very slightly green but unmistakeable heady orange flower. I Have Elie Saab which I have worn a lot over the last year or so, that too has lots of orange blossom and I think I am just bored of it at the moment as the Lutens one doesn't make me want to wear it again, which is just as well as I used all of the tiny sample.

Viviennemary Sat 02-Feb-13 13:15:54

I've got a small sample bottle of Jo Malone Orange blossom which is quite nice. But not sure I'd want a large bottle of it. Also got a tiny bottle of Blue Agava and Cacoa bath oil also by JM. That's quite strong but I like it. Not sure what the perfume itself would be like. A bit too strong I think. The Apres l'ondee has spoilt me for everything else now it seems. grin

clb Sat 02-Feb-13 13:34:14

Snap: I've been trying a sample of SL Fleurs d'Oranger today, too. Quite liking it: I've got lots of tuberose as well as the orange blossom, and I don't find it too overwhelmingly sweet. I didn't spot the cumin which is allegedly in there, but I'm about to reapply and may be able to detect the finer points better when I'm not making ribollita, as I have been this morning. Sillage quite impressive; longevity less so, though the dry down is very pleasant.

Fuzzybirds Sat 02-Feb-13 17:19:34

I tried Boudoir today, I like it a lot, might have to treat myself to a mini. Also tried Hermes L'Ambre des Merveilles but although I generally love Amber, I found this one very sweet and after a while it reminded me very much of Flowerbomb. No joy on finding Balenciaga or any of the other violet scents I want to try so the search continues!

AwkwardSquad Sat 02-Feb-13 19:12:18

I had another little play today. I tried Chanel Sycomor on a tester card - lovely. Tried it on the back of my hand - hideous after about half an hour, sickly sweet. A bit like orange flavoured boiled sweets. I have a sample of Coromandel so I'll try that tomorrow. I also tried Miller Harris L'air du Rien, that turned into rather harsh cinnamon and talc on me. Quite odd. Not good. Tom Ford Tuscan Leather - I wasn't sure to begin with but it is developing and softening beautifully so I'd like to try it again without the other test sprays on various bits of my hands, muddling up the smell. I had a lovely time testing and chatting!

CointreauVersial Sat 02-Feb-13 19:27:21

Fuzzy - Ambre de Merveilles is on my wish list.

I finally got around to trying Knize Ten today. Whoah, leather and rubber overload. It is very masculine; I'll try it again but I'm not sure it floats my boat.

IsabelleRinging Sat 02-Feb-13 19:43:13

Tuscan leather has an amazing dry down, it's one of the only fragrances I've tried that really seemed to melt into the skin and smell better as the day wore on. It is on my long to buy list!

I tried my sample of Annick Goutal Matin d'Orage today. OMG I had to scrub, it made feel ill. I hoped it would be a really fresh green floral, and it is, but there is one note, not sure what it is, that gives it a cucumber smell. I found a similar note in Hermes Apres a la Mousson, could it be ginger?

coffeeinbed Sat 02-Feb-13 19:47:03

Ambre des Merveiiles has me undecided.
I adore all of the series - vile Elixir apart - not am still unsure about this.
Too much vanilla in the dry down.

Must give Knize a sniff. I keep reading about it.
Boudoir for some reason turned soapy powder. I distinctly remember liking it and the dirtyness of it, but not this time, I tried it a couple of weeks ago.

Serge Lutens Oranger is a marvel, I used up a bottle and have a second one waiting, but it's very silage-y, careful when spraying!

coffeeinbed Sat 02-Feb-13 19:48:00

Isabell - melon in Orage, unripe mango in Mousson.
Scrubbers indeed.

AwkwardSquad Sat 02-Feb-13 20:07:20

Now I'm getting fag ash from the Tuscan Leather. Really not sure, but definitely intrigued!

Does anyone remember Demeter? Dirt and Lettuce and Grass and so on? Just having a nostalgic moment about Dirt.

Haberdashery Sat 02-Feb-13 20:11:29

Incense Rosé today. Love this. It's absolutely bone dry but very very luxurious.

Fuzzybirds Sat 02-Feb-13 20:19:53

The more I try the more I realise I love 'in your face' perfumes. Which is odd seeing as I am so not an in your face person grin

I splashed out on a fb of L'Artisan's Ambre Extreme last week, so I kind of HAVE to prefer it to L'Ambre des Merveilles. Ambre Extreme is like a big, fluffy, comforting bear hug in a bottle, love at first sniff for me.

niminypiminy Sat 02-Feb-13 20:27:11

Wearing Shalimar from my new fb of the EdP today, tra la! I had a tiny bottle of the EdT before, but the EdP is sooo much more wonderful. I'd love to have a bottle of the Parfum, but funds won't permit at the moment.

Anyway, very happy with my new purchases (my bottle of Samsara came at the same time). Fuzzybirds I like big perfumes too -- don't think I am very in your face <worries>.

Haberdashery Sat 02-Feb-13 21:01:40

I spent years thinking I only liked quiet floral green things. But I realise that I rather love a bit of in your face, too. I think I was trying the wrong in your face things before. And I still dislike 99% of gourmands intensely. But once I stepped off the beaten track and stopped smelling things with that awful identical powdery musk note in them I realised that THAT was the problem and not the bigness, IYSWIM.

My favourite Demeter was Tomato. I also liked (this will surprise none of you) Rubber.

AwkwardSquad Sat 02-Feb-13 21:22:21

I liked tomato too, Haberdasher. I wore Dirt and Tomato at the same time. Probably smelt like an allotment.

AwkwardSquad Sat 02-Feb-13 21:22:58

Haberdashery! Oops.

IsabelleRinging Sat 02-Feb-13 21:23:35

Ah yes melon! I can see it now. Not a million miles away from cucumber. Thanks coffee

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 02-Feb-13 21:36:47

Un Jardin Apres Le Mousson makes me sneeze uncontrollably.

coffeeinbed Sat 02-Feb-13 21:38:59

Worst offender of this kind is Jo Malone Vanille Anise - indescribable ozonic melon vanilla.

coffeeinbed Sat 02-Feb-13 21:39:25


Haberdashery Sat 02-Feb-13 21:42:14

Allotment is a pretty good smell, actually. I would probably buy that in a bottle (Black March isn't far off).

coffeeinbed Sat 02-Feb-13 21:45:36

Have you tried Calamus Haber?
iris roots in the soil during rain.

Fuzzybirds Sat 02-Feb-13 21:58:19

Melon and cucumber don't do it for me either. Love the sound of Tomato and Dirt, I grew a lot of cherry toms last year and love the smell of the stalks.

Niminypiminy, I think we must like the same sorts of smells. Love both Samsara and Shalimar. I tried Shalimar Initial L'Eau recently and was unimpressed though....

AwkwardSquad Sat 02-Feb-13 22:01:48

I've just checked and it looks like Demeter is still in operation. Hmmmm. Tempted. I can't grow tomatoes (blight, always blight) but I can smell of freshly crushed tomato leaves!

Mixed reviews for Dirt, sounds as tho they have changed the formulation.

Haberdashery Sat 02-Feb-13 22:07:41

I would love another bottle of Tomato, actually. It was always the best one. Did any of you other tomato lovers like the perfume in the green packaging that Mac brought out in the late nineties or early 2000s? I bloody loved that perfume and they discontinued it and I have actually emailed them to beg them to bring it out again or get me a bottle of the old stuff and they have always declined. God, that was fabulous perfume. It was the smell of a hot greenhouse full of grape vines and tomato plants. Fabulous stuff.

Soil and rain sound fab, coffee, but am wary of iris which I generally dislike intensely.

niminypiminy Sat 02-Feb-13 22:08:23

Fuzzybirds smile great to have another Samsara fan around - so many people loathe it.

I love the smell of tomato leaves. There's a brand of soap - can't remember the name, they sell it in the Cambridge Botanical Garden shop, which is where I saw it - that has all kinds of gardeny smells. There's definitely one which smells of tomato leaves. Yummy!

Viviennemary Sat 02-Feb-13 22:21:48

I went into Superdrug this afternoon and there were a few testers out. I tried Obsession which was OK and another one which I had never heard of before. Lady Million (awful name) by Paco Rabanne. That was surprisingly very nice indeed. And has lasted ages on my hand although been washed a few times.

YouOldSlag Sun 03-Feb-13 09:40:51

Superdrug has a MadonnaTruth or Dare Gift set for 12.99. If you like tuberose it's actually a lovely fragrance. And it's VERY tuberose.

shoeprincess2 Sun 03-Feb-13 10:17:02

Niminy- you lucky lady. Kiwi introduced me to Shalimar. it is stunning. I would really love a fb. Maybe have to have a look online

Fuzzybirds Sun 03-Feb-13 13:28:24

Youoldslag I like tuberose and have heard good things about Truth or Dare, I will have to try it out as that is an absolute bargain! Dita Von Teese's perfume is also supposed to be good as far as celeb scents go and very affordable. I got a big bottle of SJP's Lovely for Christmas, which I love as a spring scent.

Talking of bargains, I was just thinking today that our local car boot will be starting again in a month or so. It's my happy hunting ground for all sorts of tat treasures. Can't wait to see if I find any decent perfume there!

CointreauVersial Sun 03-Feb-13 14:30:14

OK, ladies - SWAPSIES!

PM me if you fancy trying any of these, and have samples you don't want anymore which you could offer me (no tuberose, thanksgrin ). They are either manufacturer-filled samples, or decants from Surrender to Chance, and most used only once or twice:

Tauer Une Rose Vermeille 0.5ml
Dueto City Oud 1.2ml spray
Dueto City Love 1.2ml spray
Chanel Bois des Iles 1ml
Knize Knize Ten 1ml
L'Artisan Timbuktu 0.5ml
Bvlgari Au The Blanc 0.5ml
Dior Hypnotic Poison Eau Sensuelle 1.5ml spray
Gucci Gucci 1.5ml

Today I'm wearing Guerlain Aqua Allegoria Pamplelune. Fresh, soft grapefruit, but I think I prefer the Herba Fresca.

niminypiminy Sun 03-Feb-13 16:01:30

Shoeprincess I got a 30ml bottle from Escentuals -- it was £37 which is not hideously expensive.

CointreauVersial Sun 03-Feb-13 16:52:27

Niminy, have PMd you.

IsabelleRinging Sun 03-Feb-13 18:35:18

Managed to sneak out today for an hour of sniffing and testing. I tried loads on blotters which are now all layed on the coffee table to be sniffed at leisure. Lots of tuberose ones today, looking for a

I tried

Truth or Dare- sweet tuberose, very heady, the tester almost has a cloud of scent around it, this would probably give great silage when worn. I like it.

Luten's Datura Noir- this is lovely, sweet, almond, tuberose and coconut- tropical, would be lovely for evenings in summer.

Feminite de bois- fallen in love with this, lots of violets and powder and wood! need to test on skin!

Do Son- smells like tuberose, can't smell much else as the tuberose is so dominant.

Fracas and Petit Fracas, giving these another try- actually the Petit Fracas seems nicer and not so sweet once dry and it has a fruity chocolatelyness, but side by side it is not that much different from fracas, it is more modern smelling and even stronger!!!!. I have a sample of this so can't wait to try it on.

Floret EDP from Antonias flowers, this is nice, white flowers and fresh- maybe it could be the green white flower scent I'm after, not sure yet though, will have to try properly.

Finally, tried Songes, EDT on one wrist and EDP on the other. Initially the EDP was more heady and strong, but in the dry down I prefer the edt as it leaves behind more vanilla and is sweeter, I don't know if the EDP has any leather in the notes but I thought maybe I smelled a tiny little leather in the base.

Fuzzybirds Mon 04-Feb-13 10:20:47

Ooh Isabelle Feminite de Bois sounds right up my street. I do wish our nearest shopping centre had a greater range. I keep dropping hints to DH about going in to Bristol so I can have a good mooch around Harvey Nicks but parking+extortionate bridge toll makes it too expensive to do that often.

Wearing Hypnotic Poision today, one of my favourites smile

IsabelleRinging Mon 04-Feb-13 11:35:15

If you like hypnotic poison Fuzzy, try Lutens Datura Noir, it is quite similar, maybe not as much vanilla, but quite heady, coconut, and lots of almond.

YouOldSlag Mon 04-Feb-13 15:20:07

Feminite de bois- dirty knickers! I'd be interested to know if anyone else got that scent from it.It was embarrassing to wear and I had to wash it off. It smells like an unwashed lady has decided to use perfume instead of washing.

IsabelleRinging Mon 04-Feb-13 15:58:53

Really?? Nooooo! Don't put me off, I only got lovely powdery wood and innocent violets! That saying, I only sprayed it on paper so will need to test it properly.

clb Mon 04-Feb-13 16:19:08

I didn't get that either! Will have to try it again tomorrow - v tentatively.

coffeeinbed Mon 04-Feb-13 16:59:25

I don't get knickers or violets, I do know it was cumin so that might explain the dirty note.
There's another one - Bois de Violette, which is a version of Feminité plus violets.

IsabelleRinging Mon 04-Feb-13 17:21:56

It is definitely Feminite de Bois which I tried. The violets are not there in the top notes, but it is definitely violet I get it in base. The top is all plummy and floral with cedar, but the dry down is pure violets and sandalwood to me. I would like to try Bois de Violette also.

I am wearing Iris Nobile today from Aqua di Parma. I love the opening of this when I first spray, it all orange/neroli with the cooler powdery iris fighting it's way through. That doesn't last though and you are left with a woody sort of iris scent which is fairly warm, but it's not very strong, I have difficulty detecting it on myself. I might try the sublime version to see if it lasts better.

YouOldSlag Mon 04-Feb-13 17:23:16

Isabekle- i really liked iris Nobile. After trying Iris poudre, I was tempted never to try iris again, but Iris Nobile was lovely.

Fuzzybirds Mon 04-Feb-13 17:57:03

I would love to try Bois de Violette too, my list of violet scents to try is getting longer and longer! Also intrigued by Tom Fords's Black Violet.

I've got a sample of Iris Noble Sublime, although I haven't tried the original one yet so can't compare the two. It struck me as a very elegant and refined scent but extremely subtle, I could hardly smell it all by lunchtime. Lovely but not really 'me'.

Haberdashery Mon 04-Feb-13 17:59:49

Black Violet is absolutely gorgeous. Well worth a try, IMO.

IsabelleRinging Mon 04-Feb-13 18:07:29

The strongest violet scent i have ever tried is Geurlain Insolence, it is pure parma violets, the EDP version is the nicest. The silage is AMAZING. You really would need to like strong violets to like it though.

YouOldSlag Mon 04-Feb-13 18:09:34

Isabelle- I loved Insolence. Very violets and very lovely.

coffeeinbed Mon 04-Feb-13 18:15:30

I liked Insolence as well.
Really pretty.
Apres L'Ondee is probably my favourite violet.
Haven't tried Tom Ford's.
His Black Orchid put me off his perfumes for years and have been avoiding them until I read - here! - about Tuscan Leather.
So while I still proceed with caution I'm happy to give them a sniff.

williaminajetfighter Mon 04-Feb-13 21:03:53

Violette in Love is a gorgeous violet. Smells like violet candy sweets. Lovely. By Parfums de Nicolai.

Fuzzybirds Tue 05-Feb-13 10:12:00

Thank you all for the fab violet recommendations! I do like Insolence EDT but not tried the EDP yet, will have to give it a go. Coffee I really thought I would love Black Orchid but there is something in it I don't like. I've got the perfume parlour version which I actually prefer.

I feel as if I've been wearing and trying lots of very sweet scents lately so for a change I'm wearing Cristalle EDT today, which I love. I'll probably wear it a lot more during the spring but only got a tiny mini so don't want to run out (FB on the ever expanding wish list!)

CointreauVersial Tue 05-Feb-13 13:03:33

I didn't like Black Orchid either, but then I don't like a lot of the notes in it (jasmine, sandalwood). It's too cloying for me.

IsabelleRinging Tue 05-Feb-13 13:28:47

OOO I liiike Black Orchid, I think it is an aquired taste though, I could understand why many people don't like it, the blackcurrant opening is quite strong, but it dries down really nice. I find I can only wear it occasionally though, like Chrstmas parties, or rare times like I feel I want to stand out!

I am trying out Chanel No22 today. It smells like quality, expensive, aloof and classy. In the same family as No5 definitely, powder, soap,floral, aldehydes and long lasting. I quite like it, don't think I would ever have a need for a bottle of it though. It's just too vintage smelling. The only classic I want to get will be L'heure Bleu, which is much softer and whimsical than this one.

IsabelleRinging Tue 05-Feb-13 13:31:17

Has anyone tried Fleur Nocturne by Isabey, it gets amazing reviews?

CointreauVersial Wed 06-Feb-13 13:07:06

Not tried that one, Isabelle.

My Tauer samples arrived yesterday, so I'm trying Orange Star today. Not what I expected! I did get a brief citrus blast at the biginning, but it quickly settled into quite a strong white floral smell (orange blossom, I presume), which I really didn't like much. Five hours on it is definitely improving (I'm getting the warmer basenotes now), but I'm not quite feeling the love.

Four more to try....!

IsabelleRinging Wed 06-Feb-13 13:43:59

I am trying Nuit Etoilee from Annick Goutal today. This is the second time I have tried it, I really would like to fall in love with it so I have an excuse to buy a bottle as it is a deep blue and gorgeous and would look fab on my dressing table, but it's just not happening. It is a really unusual fragrance, there is little lemon in the opening, then lots of fresh mint and pine. It smells cold and sparkly at first. Then the mint dries a bit and there is definitely a pine forest smell to. It is quite refreshing and very unisex. I sprayed it first thing this morning, and by now, early afternoon there is a nice soft woody scent left behind, it is a fresh woody though, like pine, not creamy wood like sandalwood. This one isn't for me, but if you like fresh unusual scents this is worth trying. It is well done and I haven't smelt anything quite like it before, it's quite mystical!

Fuzzybirds Wed 06-Feb-13 16:16:10

I've not tried Fleur Nocturne either. I've been very restrained in not ordering more samples and trying to use what I've got as I spent my perfume budget (and then some) last month. Next time, I think I'll order some Tauer samples, or maybe the Histoires De Parfums sample set <indecisive>

I've been reading the Turin/Sanchez A-Z Perfume Guide, very interesting and quite cheap from Amazon at the mo. The 'to try' list has reached massive proportions now though grin

Being a bit boring and wearing Flowerbomb today, but had to find something not too overwhelming for going to soft play!

shoeprincess2 Wed 06-Feb-13 16:21:00

Fuzzybirds- me too. I am using up some of my samples before ordering any more- I have a wish list of about 15 at the minute, so will probably order 5 a month starting next month. Have fun at soft play.

ProFumo Wed 06-Feb-13 16:53:47

We may or may not have met before... (shh)
I'm a hardcore fumehead who loves Tauers and tries everything - including Heat by Beyoncé. wink

Nuit etoilee underwhelmed me too (named after my favorite van Gogh, but so wan and pale - where are the angry, psychotic comets?). Orange Star is tricky on me, bordering on unwearable.

Today I'm wearing Oud Ispahan. This is Portrait of a Lady taken one step further - a pungent rose oud with ultraviolet sillage. I have a 7,5 ml mini and it will last a long time - very strong stuff.

Perfume books can be really great. Without them, I wouldn't have found the really great stuff. Blogs are a good source of info as well - I've really enjoyed Perfume Shrine's recent post on fruity florals.

IsabelleRinging Wed 06-Feb-13 16:55:58

I haven't ordered many samples yet, prefer to get them free if I can, rather spend my money on whole bottle of a perfume I love- samples seem cheap but they really add up!! I am gong to order Fleur Nocturne, Carnal Flower and maybe a couple of the Villoresi ones from Les Senteurs, maybe Teint de Neige or Donna or Alamut? (Anyone tried these?)

grotbagz Wed 06-Feb-13 17:02:31

not sure if anyones said this but the mac perfume in turquoise is amazing but all of them are pretty nice - they've now stopped doing it in all the stores and only sell it in the flagship i think, gutting - whenever i wore it id always get complimented on it, so if you're ever around the mac store id definitely recommend trying it!

ProFumo Wed 06-Feb-13 17:02:49

Oh and a question for all - what are your go-to perfumes for office/playgroup/meeting elderly relatives?
I'm afraid I'm not as discreet as I should be (wore Oud Ispahan to work today blush), but gentle irises and classic colognes work well at work.

I found a sample set from Olfactive Studio the other day and their Lumiere Blanche struck me as very office appropriate too.

shoeprincess2 Wed 06-Feb-13 17:05:52

<waves to ProFumo> Welcome to our thread wink

YouOldSlag Wed 06-Feb-13 17:07:01

office or everyday wear: Cristalle, Eau de Cartier, Jovan White musk, Cabotine.

They won't bother anyone but they all smell really good.

grotbagz Wed 06-Feb-13 17:07:18

profumo - if I'm ever at a family occasion/going to a meeting etc i always use a scent like chanel coco mademoiselle or chance - or something similar my perfume shelf is like an apothecary, i prefer the fresher fragrances but for some reason i think these sort of ones give off a better vibe in that sort of situation - maybe I'm mad!

shoeprincess2 Wed 06-Feb-13 17:07:28

Isabelle*- Teint de Neige is gorgeous. You must get a sample. Very, very powdery but so opulent.

IsabelleRinging Wed 06-Feb-13 17:08:34

Welcome back? ProFumo grin.

My go to for winter is Chanel Allure, but think it might change to Iris Nobile in the future, and in summer it is Cristalle eau Vert for work. I like to try shock the elderly rellies though, so would wear whatever I fancied when visiting wink

YouOldSlag Wed 06-Feb-13 17:09:17

Agrre that fresh scents are better for mingling in the daytime. The ones I wear (listed above^^) are all green notes.

IsabelleRinging Wed 06-Feb-13 17:11:11

Will definitely try it shoe on your recommendation, opulent is what I like!

niminypiminy Wed 06-Feb-13 17:14:22

<waves to ProFumo>

I have a sample of Teint de Neige but detest it -- if anybody would like it (swap for something?) do PM me.

Today I'm wearing L'Eau d'Hiver, which would be a very good elderly relative/office/playgroup choice. Warm and comforting (I like the honied-ness of it) and long-lasting but very, very discreet.

Tomorrow will be Bois des Iles, courtesy of of CointreauVersial <excited>!

ProFumo Wed 06-Feb-13 17:30:50

Anyone who likes Teint de Neige: at least in my head, TdN, Rose d'Hollande by Mona di Orio and Cinabre by Maria Candida Gentile are a blockbusting girl gang - old school diva power taken to the max, think Elizabeth Taylor, Audrey Hepburn and Sophia Loren as Disney princesses. Powder puffs as nuclear warheads? grin

Oh and did I mention - we have TdN-scented baby wipes!

niminypiminy Wed 06-Feb-13 17:33:25

TdN baby wipes shockshock!

ProFumo Wed 06-Feb-13 17:35:15

I know... Will you call social services? grin

shoeprincess2 Wed 06-Feb-13 17:36:00

Oh my goodness. Too much!! My little boy with a TdN scented bottom. That would be fantastic smile. Yes, TdN makes me feel like a 1950s powerhouse (minus styled hair and red lipstick). But I do like all the big hitters- L'air du desert marocain, Loretta etc. My perfumes need to shout, not whisper.

Haberdashery Wed 06-Feb-13 18:01:19

Welcome back, ProFumo! Lovely to see you.

cardoon Wed 06-Feb-13 18:03:10

Have PM'd you niminy

Fuzzybirds Wed 06-Feb-13 18:35:47

Hi ProFumo, nice to 'meet' you smile

I quite like comforting ambery/ vanilla type scents for the purposes of toddler groups etc. I suppose I imagine them as cuddly, approachable scents- L'Artisan's Ambre Extreme or Shalimar. In my 20s I used to wear Gucci Envy for work, I do wish they'd bring it back!

YouOldSlag Wed 06-Feb-13 18:42:01

LOVE Gucci Envy. Utter madness to end it. There is and was nothing remotely like it.

CointreauVersial Wed 06-Feb-13 18:44:17

Well, helloooooo ProFumo! Beyonce Heat, you say....? wink

The Tauer Orange Star didn't get a lot better - the DCs all remarked on the "awful smell" in the car when I picked them up from school. hmm

Niminy - enjoy the Bois des Iles! I didn't hate it, but it was a bit "meh" for me. I can see why it's regarded as a great fragrance, though.

Even more samples arrived today - a batch from Les Senteurs, included the long-awaited Fat Electrician. Must.Stop.Ordering.Samples.....

florascotia Wed 06-Feb-13 18:46:22

Welcome back Profumo
We need (and enjoy) your wise words.

My scent today in the windy, sleety north is the chilly (and conventional) Guerlain Eau de Cologne Imperiale. Am wearing it because I need to stay alert. It's about as far possible from your splendidly sumptuous diva perfumes, but I think it would be OK for the most formal business meeting.

Witchesbrewandbiscuits Wed 06-Feb-13 18:56:44

ooh i love amber, vanilla and sandalwood.

any suggestions?

sorry if repeating, not read full thread.

ProFumo Wed 06-Feb-13 20:40:19

Beyoncé Heat is a captivating fragrance that unleashes a spirited fire within. It is a unique expression of a woman's powerful sensuality: sexy, elegant yet feminine with an air of mystery, this fragrance reflects a self-assured woman, who is not afraid to desire and to be desired.

Right. grin

But - if stars are aligned correctly, I might experience some real heat tomorrow night. It may involve heaven in a form or other. And possibly a python. <100 perfumista brownie points and a upgrade to Vol 4 if you know what I'm talking about>

ProFumo Wed 06-Feb-13 20:49:03

Sorry, poor editing...
Heat has a flanker now, Heat Rush.
Can immediately come up with at least three subsequent flanker names, can you?

Haberdashery Wed 06-Feb-13 21:00:02

How about Heat Rash? grin

Incense Rosé again today. I really like this one. This is as dry as Sycomore (which gave me a headache) but not so cold.

IsabelleRinging Wed 06-Feb-13 21:12:54

'Heat Exhaustion' ???

Haberdashery Wed 06-Feb-13 21:14:45

Prickly Heat?

williaminajetfighter Wed 06-Feb-13 21:35:16

Hi... I too was wearing orAnge star today. Not sure about that one. My new bottle of SL louve arrived and think I might have spent £60 to smell like baby powdery baby wipes!

Can anyone recommend an almond-y perfume? Struggling to find one or any I like.

Thx all.

IsabelleRinging Wed 06-Feb-13 21:39:14

Datura Noir has lots of almond.

clb Wed 06-Feb-13 21:49:37

I really like Heeley's L'Amandière, willaminajetfighter, and am struggling not to buy a FB.

Unbelievably, I too was trying Orange Star today and also not enjoying it very much. DD2 snuggled up and said "Do you like that perfume, Mummy?". I said I didn't think I did and she looked very relieved.

CointreauVersial Wed 06-Feb-13 21:55:26

grin grin at the Heat flankers. They couldn't possibly be worse than the original <chokes on memory>

ProFumo Wed 06-Feb-13 21:57:42

Ouch I know that full bottle remorse! Ladies, use up the samples and decants first. Your taste will change. You don't usually marry the first man you meet either... Louve might have an after-market though, it has many fast friends.

Almonds - Farnesiana, Hypnotic Poison, Amandes Orientales - quite different styles. There are many, many more but it's very easy to be heavy-handed with almondy aromachemicals.

I suggest selling our flanker name ideas to Coty. I could find a lot of uses for the royalties...

Going to wear some tuberose to bed. One of these in fact. He's a bit of an authority on that note, so worth listening to...

ProFumo Wed 06-Feb-13 22:15:37

An applause to L'Amandiere! Heeleys can be great, no?
I have an uncontrollable craving for that perfume in the spring. To me, strangely, it smells exactly like a dark sweet cherry - not a maraschino cherry or a candied cherry or a yogurt&shampoo&lipgloss cherry, but the real thing, stems and all.

Coty have come up with Heat Sparkling Body Mist <I think they really need us>

williaminajetfighter Thu 07-Feb-13 08:56:33

Thanks all for the great advice. I will look out for some of the almond perfumes. A friend told me that the best almond smell comes from Jergens almond and cherry lotion. And only 3.99 a bottle!

I have loads of samplers I no longer want. Will list them when I get home and see if I get any takers.

YouOldSlag Thu 07-Feb-13 08:58:16

Ah Profumo. The thread feels in proper working order again now.

I also liked Perfume Shrine's article on fruity florals, especially their origins and how it all began. There are way too many, but every now and then there is a really good one.

I also loved the articles on chypres and aldehydes. Both were excellent and really taught me a lot. It's an excellent blog.

shoeprincess2 Thu 07-Feb-13 09:13:16

ProFumo- I'm thinking it is something to do with Chinese New Year. Am I on the right tracks?

ProFumo Thu 07-Feb-13 09:48:34

Yes, Perfume Shrine is like a university for perfumistas. Turin/Sanchez etc get us hooked, Olfactoria and Bois de Jasmin and many others fuel the fire, but PS creates new synapses. I found her writing too dense and ponderous when I was a newbie but right now I really love her more researched pieces. A bulb went off in my head - I like really many proto fruity florals - it's a genre that was ruined by cheapened copycats, banal me toos and lackluster shampoo/yogurt imitations, but the original ideas were quite avant-garde.
A good thing to know is that fruit notes are always synthetic. Extracting them from high water-content fruit is chemically tricky (fruit esters are reactive and short-lived and turn easily into foul-smelling acids) and this is why the apple you are about to bite into is quite different from 'apple' in shampoo or candy. For the true nerds among us grin, some simple chemistry here. I'm obsessed with these because I often don't get fruity perfumes.

The tuberose I enjoyed last night was Beyond Love. (Onomatopetic connection with Beyoncé). A cool, cerebral, sleek tuberose, missing all the enjoyable junk & ballast & grit of Loretta, Poison. Like one of those people you admire but find difficult to approch and love because they are inhumanely perfect.

Today I'm wearing something that smells quite mediocre.
An expensive niche release, but am not feeling the love.

ProFumo Thu 07-Feb-13 09:52:52

Chinese New Year - cool, cooler.
Keywords: Python, paradise, cognac.

CointreauVersial Thu 07-Feb-13 13:22:11

Today I needed something soothing after yesterday's Orange Star trauma, so I'm wearing Fils de Dieu du Riz et des Agrumes by Etat Libre D'Orange (I think that's right - god help me if someone wants to know what perfume I'm wearing!).

It's very lovely, reminded me of a Thai curry at first, all lime and coconut, and has now settled to a soft spicy warmth. It doesn't project far, though.

IsabelleRinging Thu 07-Feb-13 13:29:29

I am wearing Roberto Cavalli today, which was a duty free impulse buy last year. Lots of orange blossom, a nice soft warm fragrance, quite 80s feeling. It is very pleasing and pleasant, but doesn't 'speak' much. All these great fragrances I'm learning about which are very individual in style are spoiling me for the more mainstream 'nice' scents I used to like.

clb Thu 07-Feb-13 15:21:35

SsOTD are Lys Mediterranée on the left wrist and Carnal Flower on the right, after a very enjoyable visit to Les Senteurs. Love 'em both, alas.

niminypiminy Thu 07-Feb-13 15:40:17

Surely one of the heat flankers has to be called Deep Heat, no?

YouOldSlag Thu 07-Feb-13 18:10:47

I think it should be called ON HEAT

coffeeinbed Thu 07-Feb-13 18:44:26

Well, I'll admit it.
I don't get on with the Turin/Sanchez guide.
I think lots of it is just being funny/cutting/witty for the sake of it in a self-indulgent way.
I'm not in any way disputing Luca Turin's credentials as a scientist and nose, and I know Tania is an aspiring writer, but the Guide is sometimes wallowing in it's own cleverness.
I do read some blogs - PS is indeed well researched and now that Victoria's writing has sobered up - it used to be very flowery I like that too.

YouOldSlag Thu 07-Feb-13 18:55:06

I tried Serge Lutens Louve the other day and it was too many cherries and chocolate for me.

And for some reason Chergui smelt like dried Pot Noodles on me.

I LOVED Borneo 1834 though.

Sometimes perfume baffles me.

YouOldSlag Thu 07-Feb-13 18:59:14

I liked the Turin/Sanchez guide. Sometimes it was too clever by half, but I find it really entertaining as a "dip in and out" book.

They dislike a lot of my favourites, but also give some of my favourites a great big ticker tape parade, which tells me my taste is sometimes great and sometimes terrible!

But actually there is no right and wrong with perfume. It's like poetry. Whether you love it or loathe it, your response is never wrong.

ProFumo Thu 07-Feb-13 19:58:03

I'm loving the Heat Wave and really looking forward to the launch of Heat Tech (aka Beyonce for Him) wink

If you think bad names and purple prose are limited to the dime store end of perfumery, please grab a glass of champagne, avoid smearing lip gloss on that vintage ivory silk tuxedo brushing by (YSL), and join me and a crowd of outrageously styled men wearing Beyond Love (the new Black Orchid, surely) for cocktails at a perfume launch party.

Whew, I'm just home from there.

On my right wrist I'm wearing Good Girl Gone Bad. No, it's not by Rihanna, it's By Kilian. It's high-end niche, made by one of the best perfumers around. The bottle has a snake motif (we are in the Garden of Good and Evil, apparently) and costs much more than you'd think by smelling it.

The cocktails were really nice, lots of paparazzi and fashion people in attendance, I got a lot of eye makeup ideas (Cleopatra is back)… The perfumes? GGGB is slick, seamlessly well made, and utterly banal. The scent is something you would expect to get in a high-end hair product or shower gel. It's what you get when you pay premium for a concept that would also sell really well in Sephora. You could wear this to church. My daughters would love it - my mother too.

I'm not sure I've been to a perfume launch before where I haven't smelled everything they roll out, but I couldn't force it this time - I'm leaving Forbidden Games and The City of Sin to you, ladies wink wine

Kilian Hennessy looked cute and he is clearly a slick marketer and a clever crowdsourcer (for a while, you got a velvet pouch of his samples by friending him on FB). But he didn't take his shirt off or drape the python around his torso <wail>

I briefly stopped at Chanel and chatted with one of the SAs. Someone I know has been wearing 1932 today somewhere else, but no such luck for me.

florascotia Thu 07-Feb-13 20:35:57

Obviously, have not sampled the scents disliked by Profumo, above. But as a crepey , I cannot save self from occasionally thinking new scent = emperors' old and sadly lacking clothes. Am sure that many modern smells are (to most) quite lovely - but so many start off with fruit (peach/berries = an absolute NO to me, an instant headache) or else with something kinky - or do I mean emetic? - such as rubber....Ugh.

For instance (am I alone?) I just can't get on with most Tauers. Is this heresy?

Any examples of soul-uplifting, life-enhancing MODERN scents, fellow Mumsnetters ?? I like Eau de L' Hermine (but IMO it does not last long enough) and also don't mind L'Angeliqes Sous La Pluie and La Chasse aux Paillions. But neither of those last two means lurve, lurve, lurve....

Perhaps I should resign self to really old labels, Guerlain, Patou,Caron, etc...

Horrid thought strikes - can one be a perfumista trying too hard and ending up as scented mutton dressed as lamb??

Haberdashery Thu 07-Feb-13 21:17:13

I love rubber and tar and the slightly weirder more medicinal and pharmaceutical scents. The only fruit I really get on with is citrus, tbh, or fig. Sweet fruit smells like peach make me feel absolutely sick and I think there are far too many of them in mainstream perfumes. Ditto that awful sweet musky powdery smell that everything has in it these days. I haven't got a clue what it's called but it became absolutely unavoidable in the nineties and doesn't seem to have really gone away.

coffeeinbed Thu 07-Feb-13 21:44:58

Confession two - I'm on a roll - I haven't tried a Tauer yet.
I'm not going to tell you why because I'll get flamed.

I love tar and smoke but I'm happy with Eau du Fier. When my bottle runs out then I'll see.
I do think one can be trying too hard, but for me that would be going back to the classics.

Haberdashery Thu 07-Feb-13 22:06:08

>> I'm not going to tell you why because I'll get flamed.

You absolutely have to tell us now!

I don't think this is a flamey kind of thread. Everyone's too nice.

coffeeinbed Thu 07-Feb-13 22:10:53

I know..

Haberdashery Thu 07-Feb-13 22:14:43

You rotter!

IsabelleRinging Thu 07-Feb-13 22:20:50

I haven't found a Tauer I like the sound of enough to bother sampling. I really want to like one as they seem so highly regarded, but I've read all the reviews for each one and the notes and descriptions but none have inspired me so far.

I am waiting for samples from les senteurs of Fleur nocturne, Carnal Flower, Vanille et Coco, and Teint de Neige. (why is there a limit of 4?).

ProFumo Thu 07-Feb-13 22:29:45

Nah, nobody is getting flamed. Lots of perfumistas don't like Tauers. He has a signature style and uses some signature chemicals and it's easier to love him if you like very big scents and orientals. I have a couple of Tauers that I dislike intensely and avoid putting on my skin.

Not every perfumista likes Lutens (or should we say Sheldrake) either, although he really has changed what we expect from perfumes.

Annoying background noises in perfumes? My first choices would be ambroxan (go smell Molecule 2), cashmeran ("blonde woods") and Iso E Super (Molecule 1- synthetic cedar note). They are ubiquitous.

I like Turin/Sanchez because they know more about perfume than just about any salesperson I've ever met grin They also dare to make fun of a solemn subject that used to be shrouded in mystery and press release hyperbole. To me, they are like restaurant critics or Tripadvisor - making me aware of gems I wouldn't find on my own and saving me from a food poisoning or two. The book made me laugh (I love most one star reviews) and inspired me to smell hundreds of different perfumes - also mainstream stuff. They have their biases but don't we all grin
Le Snob is a great choice for someone who needs a more concise and less snarky guide. I find Basenotes quite good - you will get a range of opinions.

IsabelleRinging Thu 07-Feb-13 22:37:58

I have enjoyed reading Bois de Jasmine, easy to navigate and not too poncy. Profumo, or anyone else?, which Tauer would you recommend for a floral/oriental fan? I thought it was Ambers I loved, but after sampling a few like Ambre Sultan, I find these just too masculine, I actually think I like more floral notes in my orientals.

niminypiminy Thu 07-Feb-13 22:44:46

I wonder if you don't learn as much from smelling things you don't like as things you do. I sampled a few Frederic Malle perfumes and apart from L'Eau d'Hiver, which is nice but not wow-some, I've disliked them all. Of the Tauers I've tried I've only really liked one - Le Maroc Pour Elle.

I quite like reading reviews but often they are very gushing, and I sometimes wonder if there is something wrong with my nose that I don't experience the wonders that reviewers do. Quite often what I think is 'brings new meaning to the words nothing special'.

Been wearing Bois des Iles today, which was a case in point. (Btw CointreauVersial did you get the samples yet? <worried>) I wanted to like it, but really I was a bit indifferent.

ProFumo Thu 07-Feb-13 22:45:59

A friend who likes elegant florals likes Incense Rose.
Loretta is a tuberose/cough drop, Miriam aldehyde.
But it may also be that he has nothing that really feels truly you.

Haberdashery Thu 07-Feb-13 22:59:49

Incense Rose is lovely - v sophisticated. I think I tend to gush about perfumes sometimes but then you wouldn't bother to write more than a few words unless you really like or dislike something. I wouldn't, anyway!

CointreauVersial Thu 07-Feb-13 23:06:34

Emperor's new clothes? Well, I'm a simple girl.

I am enjoying the experience of stepping outside the box perfume-wise, and trying new scents and sensations that I wouldn't have done otherwise. I really don't give a stuff which brand is which, and I'm not much good at putting into words the olifactory experience, but I'm starting to appreciate there is a whole world of fragrance outside the mainstream (and don't forget I spent several years working in that very business) and I'm having a bit of fun with it! Funny how we enjoy challenging and expanding nearly all our senses (food, art, music....) but I don't think I've ever challenged my sense of smell ......Maybe it is emperor's new clothes, but I don't think so.

Yes, I agree with Niminy; it's just as interesting to find out what you don't like as opposed to what you do! (btw, samples not arrived yet, but I'll let you know...)

ProFumo Fri 08-Feb-13 06:37:18

I'm with Cointreau - for me loving perfume is about challenging my nose. A bit like music - sometimes the kitsch of Billy Joel is just right - and sometimes your eardrums need the dissonances of Prokofjev and Ligety.

I've learned a lot from smelling bad perfume. You learn to appreciate good craftmanship, great materials and also original ideas grin
I think the best way forward is to smell a lot and sometimes withhold judgment (not think "Do I like this?" but "What do I smell?"). When I stopped thinking of perfumes as clothes (or extensions of my personality) and started going for the experience, I really got hooked.

Not everyone proceeds like this. Most people are happy with one bottle and this is not anything they actively think about.

Systematic smelling has been really useful for me. Smelling all perfumes alphabetized under a certain letter in Sephora - smelling everything from a certain house - smelling something from each subgroup from the perfume wheel (I thought I was an oriental lover, but greens and leathers really make my heart sing. I thought I disliked fruit and white flowers, but have found quite a few exceptions. And I thought classic colognes are boring and fougeres just for men - now I wear and enjoy both). Or picking a note that piques your curiosity and smelling half a dozen different perfumes that feature it (osmanthus, anyone?). Or take a top 10 list - one of the many in Turin/Sanchez, or the top five or ten perfumes of a fellow perfumista, smell them all.

If you feel jaded with modern mainstream feminines, buy a bunch of vintage samples and work your way through the classics (a good book or one of Bois de Jasmin's series will help you understand them better). Or switch over to the masculine side and expand your horizons by spending some quality time with them. Or seek out some of the cutting-edge niche houses: CdG, Olfactive Studio, Odriu, Odin New York, Slumberhouse, CB I Hate Perfume, and yes, Tauer grin

IsabelleRinging Fri 08-Feb-13 07:58:20

For me, at the moment anyway, I feel as if i am on a journey, an interesting and exciting one, to find the love of my life. Along the way I have encountered a few frogs, some that were wrong for me, some that I thought were the one and we had a lovely time together, some that were good for a fling, a couple that were for one night only and a few that will stay friends forever. The journey seems to stretch out far ahead, but at the end is the most perfect perfect, impossible dream, the one and only!

I suspect the journey and the search is the best part of this fantasy though.

ProFumo Fri 08-Feb-13 08:56:47

I've been happily monogamic for the past 15 years.
This allows me to be really promiscuous with perfume wink

Ladies, we are not swapping mugshots here, but give an olfactory snapshot of yourself! What have you been mostly wearing (or have worn at least twice or reach for when in a rush) during the past month or so?

I've been very busy with work and travel, and have not had much time to think about perfume. Easy/comforting/work compatible autopilot scents: Chanel 19 vintage EdT (green and rosy), Dior Oud Ispahan (rose oud), Malle Portrait of a Lady (patchouli rose), plus have been flirting with By Kilian velvet pouch (the tuberose, Beyond Love, is growing on me). HdP 1740 Marquis de Sade (dried fruit, immortelle, leather - smells like an old man's library) and Guerlain Tonka Imperiale (sweet, dense, heavy marzipan-rosemary) have also felt good too during the coldest days.

Fuzzybirds Fri 08-Feb-13 09:27:28

Good morning oh smelly ones grin
I've finished the Turin/ Sanchez guide. I did find it very enjoyable and as a die hard bargain hunter, loved some of the surprisingly good reviews for certain cheapies. Perversely, my current and not cheap favourite, Ambre Extreme, is panned by them but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that.

Profumo, I tend to reach for Coco at weekends/ evenings out. On weekdays over the last month I've worn Lovely a few times and also Lyn Harris La Poudree. Today I'm wearing original Chloe, another bargain!

coffeeinbed Fri 08-Feb-13 09:31:40

This week has been mostly Iris39 and Not a perfume layered with L'Eté en Douce.
Also Nu EdT.
And a couple of time I just forgot to put any. The shame...

shoeprincess2 Fri 08-Feb-13 10:01:26

<runs in huffing and puffing> This thread is moving apace- just catching up! My LO is waking up EVERY HOUR!!! I am existing on next to no sleep, so my perfume of choice at the moment has to be the olfactory equivalent of mainlining caffeine. Loretta, Loretta, Loretta. I would say that pretty much sums up my profile at the moment. Along with L'air, Ambre Sultan, Shalimar and sometimes a dash of Incense Rose. I'm a bit of a stuck record at the moment, as I am holding back on sample orders for another few weeks, so will be adding some more to my fragrant drawer very soon...

Isabelle- please let me know what Fleur Nocturne is like, as it is on my list for the Les Senteurs order. Of course, I would also like to know what you think of TdN.

Fuzzybirds- Is Lyn Harris La Poudree worth a punt? I have some m & S vouchers, so they could go towards that...

amothersplaceisinthewrong Fri 08-Feb-13 10:06:58

Have worn nothing but Chanel Allure Eau de Parfum (not Eau de Toilette) for the past ten years.

YouOldSlag Fri 08-Feb-13 10:57:05

Profumo- you are right about perfume being an experience. Working my way through a box of samples a dear friend lent me I had the following emotions:

Iris Poudre- I felt menaced and threatened like an enemy was in the room
Amouage Dia- cried my eyes out- the exact smell of my much missed grandmother's bedroom and dressing table.
Ambre Sultan-panicky and angry
Eau de Cartier- happy and smiley.
LouLou- bittersweet- the smell of my youth and freedom when I first left home.

I was wrung out by the time I finished. More emotional than music or old letters.

Fuzzybirds Fri 08-Feb-13 12:02:11

Shoe, La Poudree has been a real grower for me. Of the three I actually preferred La Fleur but shortly before Christmas M&S had all their fragrance gift sets at half price, but no La Fleur left in my local branch so I got La Poudree instead. To me it has a very classic feel, I get glimpses of Miss Dior in the opening and a soft, vanillary drydown which reminds me of Shalimar. Very good longevity considering the price and I think they have 20% off at the mo too, definitely worth testing. Last time I was there I tried Emilie by Fragonard- seriously strong and almost exactly like Paris!

YouOldSlag I know what you mean! Wearing Chloe today takes me back to my 18 year old self, I feel oddly self conscious and like I should be getting ready for a night out down the student's union grin

IsabelleRinging Fri 08-Feb-13 12:58:51

For work I have mostly been rotating between Allure, White Patchouli, and Elie Saab. I have also worn a few of my samples, Fleur d'Oranger, Iris Nobile, Nuit Etoile etc. At weekends I've worn Portrait of a Lady, Black orchid and Coromandel. Wearing Coromandel to work today though as I want to go out this evening and won't have time to shower again, so will just be able to top up. It was much appreciated by a couple of colleagues who asked what I was wearing grin. This has definitely moved to near the top of 'want it' list.

Looking forward to the weekend, going to try out my samples of Petit Fracas and Cuir de Russie. I imagine myself wearing Cuir de Russie on a Sunday with a white shirt, jeans and a soft leather handbag and boots. Not really sure about Petit fracas though, it seems quite flirty so might wear on Saturday for lunch out with DH and a bright lipstick!

williaminajetfighter Fri 08-Feb-13 13:28:12

I found some of my By Kilian samples and concur with others that Beyond Love is lovely. But has anyone tried Love? It was much-lauded but when I opened it first smell I get is Fermaldehyde, same smell a the frog I had to dissect in grade 11 biology. Hideous. Is that the benzoine?

By Kilian's Rose Oud though, is lovely. Thick, smoky but with a really earthy authentic rose smell. Highly recommend it though primarily for evening not day.

ProFumo Fri 08-Feb-13 13:42:28

I can try Love later. grin
Wearing Incense Rose but obsessed with Beyond Love.
Don't have Rose Oud (but would probably like it - Rose Ispahan cannot be too different).

YouOldSlag you have exceptionally strong reactions to perfumes. (I know a lot of perfumistas who suffer from a tendency to get sensory overloads - many suffer from migraines too). Maybe you should start exploring the Eau de Cartier (lovely perfume!) happy direction, clear, effervescent hesperides, perhaps with a touch of spice. Light unisex/ masculine might also work, Eau Sauvage, Chanel Allure Homme Edition Blanche for example. Do you like classic colognes?

ProFumo Fri 08-Feb-13 13:44:57

Oh and everyone's current wardrobes sound lovely.
Keep'em coming!
And yy to mainlining Loretta!!!
<mentally preparing for a kiddie birthday>

YouOldSlag Fri 08-Feb-13 13:53:05

ProFumo, funnily enough I get a lot of migraines too. I will pursue your advice and look into effervescent hesperides. I love Cristalle, O de Lancome and of course my beloved Eau de Cartier.

If by classic colognes you mean 4711 and that ilk, then yes indeed I do! I will look out for Eau Sauvage.

Perfume is such a journey- it takes me lots of places in my head.

CointreauVersial Fri 08-Feb-13 15:36:44

I have been ordering and trying so many samples recently I'm a veritable fragrance tart! The ones I keep coming back to in this chilly weather are L'Air du Desert Marocain, Ambre Narguile, Un Bois Vanille and Tea for Two (must buy a decant of the latter before it disappears).

Anyway, Mr Tauer has redeemed himself after the Orange Star nightmare, as I've been wearing Vetiver Dance today, and really loving it. Sharp green vetiver, with a note of fresh gingerbread, and there are more spices coming through now. Strange mixture, actually, but very sniffable.

ProFumo - that Tonka Imperiale is on my wishlist. I was planning to put an order in through Crystal Flacon, but I'm not sure how - do you just pm the seller and make a request?

florascotia Fri 08-Feb-13 18:17:32

Very sorry, Perfumistas. Did not mean to be disparaging with my emperors' clothes remark. Was just lamenting the fact that, so far, have not found any new scent that equals the comfort and/or uplift of a few old tried and tested ones.

But - aha! - that's all the more reason to enjoy the hunt and keep on looking...

Have started off down a different track today with a sample of 28 La Pausa. That has faint smokiness, along with sugary woods and iris and (?) violets. It's very gentle. Nice, but not for me. Rather reminds me of tiny, tiny childhood sweets called, I think, 'fairy gums'.

OeufsEnCocotte Fri 08-Feb-13 20:13:00

Hello Perfumistas, I've been following these threads with some interest (and awe at your finely-tuned olfactory abilities) and am hoping someone might be able to point me in the direction of a perfume which would make a good replacement for the Body Shop's now defunct Neroli Jasmin.

The fuckers have totally changed and weakened the fragrance 'remodelled' it as Indian Night Jasmin and the new version's no good. I know the Body Shop isn't exactly high-end in perfume terms, but I loved Neroli Jasmin and wore it every day sad so I'd be ever so grateful if someone could suggest a similar fragrance. As well as neroli and, erm, jasmine, I think it had vanilla and sandalwood notes too.

Fingers crossed someone can help and thanks in advance for any pointers.

niminypiminy Fri 08-Feb-13 20:24:06

I'm wearing another Tauer today - Carillon pour une Ange. It's interesting. I don't see it as very celestial, though; there's something vegetal about its floral-ness. It reminds me very much of Brompton Stocks -- you know, those cut flowers that have such a heavy scent when fresh, but which quickly turn their water stagnant. There's something of the cut-flower lushness with just a hint of brackish water there. Interesting. I don't know if I like it, exactly, but it's a really interesting smell.

ProFumo Fri 08-Feb-13 20:38:14

Flora no offense taken - and if you ask many experts - say Andy Tauer- they will reply that the golden era of perfumery was in the 1920s or 1930s.

I agree 100% that there are a lot of schlocky, unnecessary mainstream and niche perfumes. These really are the Emperor's new clothes.

I believe our olfactory preferences have a role here too. For me, many classic aldehydic florals are as constricting as an ill-fitting bra. I'm hugely relieved that I live in an era when Haber and I are allowed to wear tarry, sweaty leathers. My interest in perfume withered when watery and fruity became the new normal. For a chypre or aldehyde lover, however, these times are really dire. Or imagine living in the 80s if you liked quiet perfumes...

ProFumo Fri 08-Feb-13 20:43:36

Oeufs, no need to change, buy yours on eBay?
That's where most of us buy discontinued fragrances.
Most sellers there are honest people trying to clear attics or shift old stock or get rid of unwanted gifts.

OeufsEnCocotte Fri 08-Feb-13 21:29:43

Thanks for replying ProFumo - eBay is good in the short term, but I really need to find a decent replacement so I don't start spending all my gin money on rapidly depleting (and inversely inflated) Neroli Jasmin remainders.

I'm going to try Intimately Beckham (much as I'm loathe to fund Beckhams Inc) as someone on this site seems to think it's very similar. Thanks again for replying smile

scarletsalt Fri 08-Feb-13 21:39:31

Hello, I am tentatvely dipping my toe in here as you all seem so knowledgeable about perfumes and I would love to try a few of the more niche ones. I have looked on the les senteurs website and I fancy trying some of the samples but I have no idea where to start and I was wondering if someone here could make a few recommendations.

I know nothing about the names of different scents but I know what I like iyswim. My most recent purchase was Daisy by Marc Jacobs as I really like the fresh scent of it. I also bought Oh Lola by MJ a few months ago and I love it (I think it is quite fruity and floral?!). I also love Miss Dior (the one advertised by Natalie Portman?). For a long time before now I have worn Romance by Ralph Lauren, which is one of my favourite perfumes, and I used to love Allure by Chanel. I know that I dont like the heavy 'perfumey' smells like Chanel no. 5. And I really dont like Angel either.

Gosh I sound like a total perfume pleb dont I! But can anyone recommend anything I might like from what I have said above?

Haberdashery Fri 08-Feb-13 21:44:17

I thought Carillon pour un Ange was a bit like being whacked over the head with a wedding bouquet, niminy. It's not as subtle as the angel thing would lead you to believe! The stocks thing is a really good comparison. I know exactly what you mean.

Profumo, I too am delighted that women can wear leather, rubber, smoke and tar and get away with it these days. I don't think it's that long ago that it would have been completely bizarre. When I was at university I used to wear Eau Sauvage sometimes and several people were SHOCKED that I was wearing a man's aftershave. OK, that's 25 years or so ago but still...

I've been wearing Reverie au Jardin today. I think I need more lavender in my life at the moment.

My standby fragrance wardrobe over the past few weeks has been L'Air du Temps for work, Lonestar Memories at night and interludes of Chanel No 19 Poudré.

Haberdashery Fri 08-Feb-13 21:45:49

Hello, scarletsalt. I am nowhere near as knowledgeable as most of those who post here but welcome anyway!

IsabelleRinging Fri 08-Feb-13 21:50:55

I think our early experience of perfume has had a lasting effect on our preferences now.

Coming of age in the 1980s and my first perfume at around age 15 being Poison, which I loved, it's kind of hard to fall in love with a watery fruity floral, they just fall short of the mark compared to those big 80s orientals. My mum wore Youth Dew throughout my childhood, which is such a BIG fragrance, it's hardly surprising that for myself I chose Poison, it just about matched my mums signature, in a more modern way but equally loud way.

I imagine for many younger women who have been born into a world where the light fruity floral is all they have known, any of the aldehydes and chypres and heavy orientials must smell vile.

scarlet you have quite mainstream tastes at the moment, I think you will find many of scents on les senteurs a little 'different', someone with a bit more experience than me might be able to steer you in the right direction of something good quality but not too challenging to satrt with, maybe some of the Annick Goutals, or Serge lutens??

Fuzzybirds Fri 08-Feb-13 21:51:47

I agree Profumo, the scents I fall in love with always remind me of something else. Sometimes it's a perfume I've met before on someone else and enjoyed but don't realise it's the same one until I try it myself, which happened with Coco (now worn by three generations of family members!)

Sometimes I try a perfume and it triggers an old memory- Insolence brought back my Nan's pink lipstick in a gold case confused but that's why I like it. Luckily for me, there isn't much I don't like (not so good for my poor wallet though!)

Oeufs, there is nowt wrong with the Body Shop, I may or may not still wear White Musk from time to time wink

I have purchased three cheapie samples from ebay, two of which I didn't even want, all so I could get one of YSL M7. I can highly recommend this page-

In particular, try clicking on the bottom picture of the ad campaign grin

Sorry, not so good at links.

IsabelleRinging Fri 08-Feb-13 21:56:23

OOOOHHH DH used to wear M7, can't for the life of me understand why it was discontinued!????!!

Fuzzybirds Fri 08-Feb-13 22:04:20

Whoops, obviously took ages to post blush

Scarlett, I'm very new to niche fragrances but the L'Artisan Parfumeur perfumes I've tried have been very approachable.

Isabelle, I find I'm drawn to stronger scents too and I've also spent my childhood around powerhouse fragrances. My teacher in my final year of primary school wore a cloud of Poison every day, but strangely it didn't put me off and I still love it.

scarletsalt Fri 08-Feb-13 22:07:22

Thanks isabelle yes you are right, I have definitely always only ever really smelt the mainstream fruity florals, but am fascinated to see what I would think of some of the different ones. I have looked at the annick goutals and serge lutens and have seen a couple on there that I might do a bit of further research on and get a sample of.

Dont think I will be going for the knize ten just yet!

MrsSchadenfreude Fri 08-Feb-13 22:10:29

Isabelle - I was a teen in the 80s too, and used to wear: Jovan's Sex Appeal for Women (cringe), Cinnabar and Halston. I used to love Halston! I also used to wear Pino Silvestre, which was a "man's fragrance", and I still love it. I had a boyfriend who used to wear Aramis, and another who used to wear Kouros. There was nothing subtle about the 1980s! My mother used to wear Giorgio and something called Charles of the Ritz, which despite its naff name, used to smell rather nice.

niminypiminy Fri 08-Feb-13 22:23:03

My eighties fragrance was White Linen -- I was musing on it the other day after reading Bois de Jasmin who gives it 5 stars. Powerhouse -tick; aldehydes to the max - tick. Hm, I must go and have a sniff again, just for old times sake.

Yes, Haberdashery, hit over the head by Brompton stocks. Are those the flowers that Morrissey used to have in his back pocket (can't the eighties out of my head now)?

I think tomorrow I might have a break from testing and go back to Shalimar. Sooo beautiful, I'm tempted to wear too much blush

Viviennemary Fri 08-Feb-13 22:27:54

I used to love White Linen too. And I also liked Youth Dew. I couldn't believe it was still going. Haven't used it for years and years. I like the sound of bois de Violettes. But it so expensive. I don't think I could ever justify spending that much or even asking for it as a present.

scarletsalt Fri 08-Feb-13 22:32:48

Fuzzybirds, can you get the l'artisan parfumer perfumes in sample size at all? Dont want to commit to a big bottle, but am loving some of the descriptions of the fragraces!

IsabelleRinging Fri 08-Feb-13 22:33:01

I haven't worn Poison since my first bottle ran out (it lasted years), smelled it recently, and although it is not exactly the same, it is similar enough to bring back great memories. The 80s were great!

I still like similar ones now though, I always think of Black Orchid as being in the same family.

Perfumistas, which perfume do you find projects the most on you?

.....On me it is probably Portrait of a Lady or Coromandel. Insolence and the Gucci EDP (the original now sadly discontinued ) used to get noticed a lot too, as did D&D pour Femme (old one) and Boudoir

Did anyone ever wear Exclamation! ? It was in a white round bottle and the lid was an exclamation mark, if I remember rightly it smelled powdery and quite sweet and i used to buy it in boots, not from the fragrance counters though, it was stocked amongst the coty laimants etc in the cheaper fragrance section. Ahh those were they days <mental note to see if they still make it and have a sniff >

YouOldSlag Sat 09-Feb-13 01:17:37

The biggest projection ever is (IMO) Giorgio Beverly Hill or Poison or Obsession.

ProFumo Sat 09-Feb-13 07:38:12

Nobody needs to be knowledgeable to join this thread. An open and curious mind and the willingness to talk about perfume is all that is needed!

Ah, the eighties and early nineties.
My earliest loves: CK Obsession and Eternity, Amarige by Givenchy, Amazone by Hermes (I still wear this occasionally) - but I also sampled others and remember rather liking Chanel No. 19 and disliking No. 5 and Patou's Joy. Angel scared me.

I tuned out when watery perfumes became popular and wore RL Romance, Burberry Woman and Stella McCartney. During my pregnancies, my sense of smell became hypersensitive and I had to give up perfumes (and visiting the fish section on supermarkets). Then I slowly became interested in perfumes again, first via frequent exposure to duty frees, an then alarmed because many big classics I remembered had disappeared from department stores.

L'Artisan samples are not always the easiest to find. I got lucky, I have a sample of nearly everything from their range (courtesy of a German perfumista eBayer). You can also purchase them here (5€ per sample, shipping to UK 11 € via UPS so you will not have to deal with postal restrictions). Or try to find a place that sells them so that you can sample in-store. They have just ended their twice-a-year sale, they used to have a feminine sample set with tricky glass pearl bottles but not sure they still have it.

Re: good neroli-jasmine perfumes, trying to find exact replacements for something discontinued/reformulated is often very frustrating. I would encourage you to explore anything with "white flowers" in them. If you like them with a sweet, soft base, try finding "white flower ambers". But just trying on a lot of perfumes that feature orange blossom, neroli or jasmine can be a good start. Two sweet citrus perfumes I like are Bergamote by The Different Company and Neroli Portofino by Tom Ford. Cheap orange blossom can often be brash and loud, literally toilet bowl cleaner/air freshener scents, so I do not know the low end all that well. Narcisse Noir by Caron is to me my ultimate comfort orange blossom (expensive as a bottle but a sample is 5 GBP at Les Senteurs). I am not a white flower expert, but aren't Elie Saab and Cavalli EdP potential mainstream alternatives. Can someone name some great niche orange blossoms and nerolis? (The difference between them is clear although people often use them interchangeably: OB smells lush, narcotic and feminine, neroli is more straight-backed and masculine.)

Anyone new to niche, good pathways in are imo L'Artisan, Diptyque, Lutens, Annick Goutal, Chanel Les Exclusifs, Hermes Hermessences, Dior La collection privee and Tauers. You don't need to smell all of them, but all of them are different enough from what is sold elsewhere so that you may (or may not) get hooked.

ProFumo Sat 09-Feb-13 07:43:33

Oh and re: projection monsters -
L'air du desert marocain and Leather Oud by Dior and Tom Ford's Tobacco Vanille leave a sillage throughout the house. So do Loretta, Portrait of the Lady, Oud Ispahan and many others.
Oh, and Fracas. <runs>

Yes, I like big perfumes grin
I think it's a personality question too - I'm an extrovert and also like wearing bright red, big jewellery and being noticed and approached.

Fuzzybirds Sat 09-Feb-13 08:03:59

Scarletsalt if you live close enough to get to L'Artisan's covent garden shop, they will fill up a little 4ml travel spray with any of their fragrances for you for £15 (I think they also do this in branches of Harvey Nicks, not sure about other outlets) very helpful and approachable sales assistants there too.

Isabelle, Exclamation gets quite a good write up in the guide, I was most surprised! I used to wear it as a teenager, along with 'So....?' Also most of the perfumes MrsSchadenfreude mentions got very good reviews, including Giorgio.

AwkwardSquad Sat 09-Feb-13 08:48:26

Talking of eighties perfumes, I was remembering a perfume I loved but can't remember the name. So frustrating. It would have been 1985 or 86, I was working in Paris at the time and it was a gift. It came in a clear, narrow triangular bottle - a deco shape to it. It was the essence of Christmas, especially mince pies! Warm, spicy, quite sweet but not overly so... Has anyone any idea what it could have been?

ProFumo Sat 09-Feb-13 09:19:41

Awkward no idea, sorry... Does anyone else recognize this?

I'm trying on Love By Kilian right now. He's clearly a marketing genius, and one of this marketing ploys has been posting openly the posting the formula of his perfumes. So - here is his list of ingredients used in Love.

William I'm very familiar with the smell of formaline but don't get it here. In this perfume, at least the opening, I get the interplay of the sharp/narcotic facets of orange blossom/neroli (almost queasy to me) and a very thick and sweet vanilla-labdanum amber base (so sweet that I wonder whether ethylmaltol was involved). Many perfumery ingredients can have camphoric facets, wonder whether that is what you are smelling. The "hook" in orange blossom is a love/hate thing - when I first smelled it it was nauseating, but I've learned to like it. (Last spring I spent a lot of time under rain-sodden orange trees - I learned what the natural reference smells like and then also sampled the expensive raw materials - naturals and high end orange blossom smell much more refined than the screechy nylon lace that is Armani Code for Woman.) But it might also that you smell something in this that I am anosmic to/ not bothered by. I tend to like herby, camphoraceous and bitter notes in perfume (I adore clary sage and camphoraceous tuberose). This is not hugely different from Seville a l'Aube in fact - sweeter and missing the wax and incense.

Want to take your expertise on raw materials to a different level? Read Essence & Alchemy by Mandy Aftel. It's an easy read, not a chemistry textbook, and after that many mysterious ingredients are old friends. Better yet, you can go to a department store where they sell aromatherapy kits, and sample them to get the reference right. (A perfumer I know got started that way...)

YouOldSlag, your love of citruses (=hesperides) opens up a lot of possibilities on the masculine side. It might be interesting to also sample some hesperides aromatiques (on strip, not skin first - I don't want you to die/ get PTSD!). Some suggestions here, in French, but do not let that bother you. Classic colognes are great, often underrated. Chanel Eau de Cologne, 4711, Guerlain Eau Imperiale... where I live it gets so hot during the summer, these are often the only viable option. I wore O de Lancome a lot as a teenager, it's great too.

ProFumo Sat 09-Feb-13 09:31:17

Sorry - link fail - the alleged formula of Love By Kilian here.

ProFumo Sat 09-Feb-13 10:10:18

Sorry that I'm spamming the thread, but while looking for good descriptions of clary sage, I found this charming 17th century herbal here.
Any lawyers on this thread - check it out ;)

ProFumo Sat 09-Feb-13 10:13:38

My links are hexed today sad - Wild Clary for lawyers.

IsabelleRinging Sat 09-Feb-13 10:17:31

Ah, see, I love big fragrances, but I am quite introverted. For me I think wearing something bold is like living out a fantasy, I can become more confident through it, almost like the power of the fragrance helps me to become that confident person I want to be as I feel I have to live up to my perfume. I don't want to be shy, and fade into the background, so I fight against it, in my head I am a diva!

IsabelleRinging Sat 09-Feb-13 10:19:02

Oud Isaphan is added to the "must smell" list after reading the CandyBoys review of it!

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 09-Feb-13 11:28:50

YouOldSlag, try: Eau d'Hadrien, Les Nuits d'Hadrien and Eau du Sud (all Annick Goutal). For a cheap and cheerful, Fleur d'Oranger at Marks and Sparks. Also M & S, the Lynn Harris cologne is good. My summer holiday perfume is Eau Jeune Eau Fraiche... from the supermarket. grin

I have been out sniffin' this morning. I went into Annick Goutal and sniffed Sables (which I loathed). The woman in the shop suggested I try Duel instead, and I do quite like it, but don't love it, as I do the other Annick Goutals I have (all of the above!). I then went all nostalgic and bought a bottle of Cabochard from a funny little shop near where we live, and got DH a bottle of Carbone by Balmain. I wanted some more of the original Ivoire, but they had sold out. The woman said to keep checking as they would almost certainly have more in. I also had a sniff of Miss Balmain in there, which I used to wear about 100 years ago, and also Fath by Jacques Fath, which was a bit "meh".

CointreauVersial Sat 09-Feb-13 13:10:32

80s perfumes......happy memories!

Anais Anais was the first one I ever owned, and I still like it now, although I don't wear it. Then came Ysatis de Givenchy (yuk), CK Obsession (I still have a sneaking fondness for this one small quantities), Estee Lauder Knowing (bleurgh....), CK Eternity.

Then later I went green and fresh: Prescriptives Calyx (still gorgeous), Gres Cabotine and Eau D'Issy, which I wore for years, until I suddenly stopped being able to smell it; I just got a sharp sensation in my nose. It was DH's favourite too.

ProFumo Sat 09-Feb-13 13:15:17

MrsSchadenfreude sounds like a lovely day! I should do the same...
I've heard rumors that Lanvin is about to discontinue Ivoire and reuse the name to do something much blander. Not sure whether that is true or not, but if anyone cares deeply about a certain perfume, it's a smart thing to buy a full bottle and perhaps even a back-up bottle right now, as many classics but also new niches will need to be reformulated.

I love Eau du Sud and the Hadriens and warmly recommend them. More hesperidé ideas for YouOldSlag here (quite basic ones, so perhaps you already know them all).

YouOldSlag Sat 09-Feb-13 13:48:26

Thanks ProFumo! I think you have pinpointed what I am always hoping to find, and given it a name. Thank you.

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 09-Feb-13 13:54:45

Ivoire was reformulated last year (I think) and repackaged - this was the "old" Ivoire I was after. I will go back next week and see if they have any. It's a very odd shop - sells everything from slippers to saucepans, and they have this perfume section that has some very lovely, old scents - lots of Balmain, Gres, Fath, Worth etc etc, and all pretty cheap.

MrsSchadenfreude Sat 09-Feb-13 13:58:38

I have, at some point, had every one of those hesperides in that article, ProFumo! I used to wear Diorella all the time - it was my "work" perfume. That and Eau de Givenchy.

ProFumo Sat 09-Feb-13 14:21:40

Excellent, YouOldSlag will have an inhouse tutor here inMrsSF - isn't it great to have a perfume twin or sister? You will have rich pickings with the various lists but here is Les Senteurs' list of hesperidés - I gave Acqua di Genova as a gift to someone. A friend really loves Azemour in that category. I also love Eau d'orange verte by Hermes.

I have a twin out there somewhere (it's a he - and he sends me lovely packages) - and quite a few siblings. I also have an "evil perfume twin" - I love her discards and vice versa. Learning to know other perfumistas better is great: you will soon realize whether someone's recommendation means "sample and buy" or "run for your life" grin

And sorry about incorrect info re: Ivoire. I'm familiar with that type of jumbled shop MrsSF- here, the patrons tend to be over eighty and you can find true treasures (these shops require a willingness to chat at length - it's not a self-service supermarket, there is a counter and things are locked up and hidden). My neighborhood profumeria is a bit like that - ancient bee bottles! I almost started to giggle when I saw Amaryllis by Floris there (not your average come-hither choice). I'm the only "young" customer there I think...

florascotia Sat 09-Feb-13 15:30:45

Thanks, ProFumo. Much appreciated. I totally agree re insipid florals. And, while tar and suchlike may not be my thing, I can quite see how they can be liberating - and am really glad to hear that others enjoy them. For the right occasion, I still like dirty old Bal a Versailles, and that's not everyone's cup of tea, either.

If I can add another to the list of 1980s knockouts contributed by Slag, Cointreau, Mrs S and others: Private Collection. Very green, very floral and (to me) about x10 too loud. The other w/end, I was helping my partner in the big city spring-clean his flat (friends were coming to stay). The vacuum cleaner died at around 3pm on Sunday afternoon, so I rushed off to John Lewis, still in dirty, dusty cleaning clothes. John Lewis stores always seem to scruffy old me to be exceptionally clean and tidy, so, in a foolish bid to freshen self up, I sprayed both wrists liberally with Private Collection as I dashed through perfumery on my way to housewares. Oh my word! The assistants who sold me the new vacuum and packed it up - quite beautifully - were both far too polite to comment, but I felt like a marked woman. I could almost SEE the trail of vibrating perfume molecules (if that's what the experts say they are) that I was leaving behind me.

An oldie that I used to like very much - and felt quite liberated in - was Antilope by Weil. Have not sniffed it for years, but as I recall that had some sort of edge to it. No idea what that was, however.

CointreauVersial Sat 09-Feb-13 16:13:10

Niminy - the samples arrived this morning - thank you!

I've just had a quick squirt of the Reverie du Jardin; not sure what to make of it, but not the lavender-fest I was expecting. It's very balmy.

YouOldSlag Sat 09-Feb-13 16:51:06

ProFumo, it is indeed nice to come across someone with similar taste that I can learn from. It's so freeing to finally realise that I am a hesperides fan. Now I can really get stuck in.

My RL parfumista friend has lent me a box of samples that made my eyes pop out: There must be around 200 , along with a big box of Guerlains. We have recently concluded that we are perfume enemies!

She loves Iris Poudre whilst I loathed it. She liked Feminite du Bois but I thought it smelt like bad personal hygiene, she liked Ambre Sultan, I loathed it. She likes Jicky, I disliked it and it just went on and on.

She also pointed out that i seem to dislike everything that Pierre Bourdon had ever made!

kiwigirl42 Sat 09-Feb-13 16:54:19

I am a great lover of almond perfumes. I adore Louve and its my wear to bed comfort scent. I'll definitely search out Heeley's L'Amandière. I love Teint de Neige also but usually wear it with a drop of Lipstick Rose, just to up the rosiness a bit.
If anyone has a sample of Tauer's Rose Vermeille they would like to swap for something let me know - the description of it as being ' a jammy rose' sounds right up my street

florascotia Sat 09-Feb-13 17:05:06

kiwigirl - Suggest you seek out a sample of Caron's Farnesiana. To me, it smells of mimosa and very almondly marzipan.

florascotia Sat 09-Feb-13 17:09:32

Or 'almondy' even. Sorry for typo.

Badvoc Sat 09-Feb-13 17:24:06

Oh! Hello! Found you again smile
Well, I couldn't decide on a perfume for my birthday after all, so am currently wearing sun moon stars and/or cashmere by next! smile
I liked mitsuko by guerlain but didn't buy any in the end.
I have never chopped and changed much tbh wrt perfume and am a bit Boring...I am now 40 and have only ever worn;
Nightmusk - Avon - loved this. Discontinued sad
Obsession - Calvin Klein - love this too.
Roma - Laura biagliotti - very nice, but wouldn't wear again.
Stella - Stella McCartney - gift from dh. Ok. Wouldn't wear again.
Sun moon stars - like this one a lot. Lots of compliments on it. Discontinued afaik?
Cashmere - next - Xmas gift from dbro. I like it. Very powdery and suitable for everyday wear.
Am determined to try something new this year at some point!
Any recommendations based on the above!?
I love the smell of musks, roses, violets, dislike sickly sweet or overly floral sharp scents.
Not keen on Chanel. Or Estée Lauder with the exception of cinnabar.

ProFumo Sat 09-Feb-13 17:54:57

Yes, Farnesiana is super-almondy. I love it, but it's too much for many people.
I will have a mimosa/cassie/heliotrope-fest (expect Farnesiana, Eau d'Hiver, Cinéma, Une Fleur de Cassie) in March when the mimosas are in bloom...

Kiwi I have a box of almond samples - listing them here just in case it will give you or some other closet almond fetishist some fresh (um, maybe not the most appropriate word with almond...) ideas: Sweet Oriental Dream and Amandes Orientales by Montale; The People of the Labyrinths by Luctor et Emergo; Alessandro by Mazzolari; Jour de Fete by L'Artisan; Rakhat Loukhoum by Serge Lutens; Confetto by Profumum Roma; Loukhoum by Keiko Mecheri. To my shame blush I haven't smelled them all (they are not exactly light summer perfumes) so maybe now would be a good time grin Perhaps I'll work on almond perfumes and also go through my By Kilian pouch this month. It's always fun to learn something new!

Flora, you may enjoy this blog - it's one of my favorites. I've resisted going through the vintage rabbit hole, as it can be expensive and frustrating. But I love her writing and will buy the book if/when it comes out. I already love vintage Carons <heartbreaking>

YouOldSlag you definitely like hesperides There are further subcategories (in this system used by perfume pros): l'hespéridé aromatique, l'hespéridé boisé, l'hespéridé fleuri boisé, l'hespéridé fleuri chypré, l'hespéridé épicé... Actually quite a range! It will be interesting to see whether the aromatics (=throw in a bunch of Herbes de Provence: thyme, rosemary, sage, lavender...) work on you - if so, there is a world of unisex and masculine options out there for you.

IsabelleRinging Sat 09-Feb-13 17:57:32

Samples arrived this morning, but after I had already doused myself in Petit Fracas, so have put aside to try over the next few days, but couldn't help smelling the fragrances in the bottles and trying a tiny bit of Teint de neige on the back of one hand. I have a horrible feeling, seeing as I researched them all so thoroughly before deciding on which to sample, that I am going to love all of them.

First impressions of T de N is that it has nowhere near as much powder as I expected. Yes, it has vintage powder thing going on, but not so much actual powder, I found No22 more powdery. However it is lovely and soft, somewhat more vintage smelling than I expected, there is something sweet in base and a little musk, and it is somewhat reminiscent of L'Heure Bleu to me.

Viviennemary Sat 09-Feb-13 17:58:47

I tried a spray of l'heure Bleue when I was out this afternoon. I expected to really like it but I didn't really. It seems to have a very strange undernote (if that's the right word.) I was a bit disappointed. I didn't try any other Guerlain. Should have tried a couple of the others.

florascotia Sat 09-Feb-13 18:19:49

Vivienne - L'Heure Bleue is my all time favourite BUT ONLY for evenings and in winter. I would not dream of wearing it in daytime, especially when bright and sunny. Yes, there is an undernote; to me, it is something feminine - goodness knows what - plus aniseed. The first I can't really speak for, but the aniseed I love (eg as caraway in savoury things) and in my experience all kinds of aniseedy smells can grow on you.

Guerlain's Apres L'Ondee is a much lighter but - I think - still lovely scent and with some of the same vibe. Perhaps you would like to try that???

I am a Guerlain fan on the whole, but even I don't like the fabled Mitsouko. I can't stand anything 'fruity'. Each to their own....

On the other hand, Guerlain's Vol de Nuit is, IMO, also pretty special.

florascotia Sat 09-Feb-13 18:26:28

Thank you so much ProFumo. A nostalgia fest!
I think it's the sort of mossy chypre quality in Antilope that I like. In memory, it rather reminds me of early Diorella. That was a dear friend's favourite, so I never wore it myself. I still rather admired it from afar, however. I believe the modern version is different. Any views on it from fellow perfumistas?

ProFumo Sat 09-Feb-13 18:27:58

Shh, don't tell anyone - I had to order a vintage mini of Antilope from Germany. The description contained the magic words "herbaceous leather", "hay", "narcissus" and "civet".

Badvoc I'm afraid you'll have to do some in-store sampling - I think Sun Moon Stars is a floral oriental. Maybe this list will give you some ideas what to try next? I personally like Cinéma by YSL. Cologne du 68 by Guerlain might also be worth a try. Afaik both are still available in better mainstream perfume stores (=airports, big department stores).

ProFumo Sat 09-Feb-13 18:30:49

Flora have you tried Douce Amère by Serge Lutens?
I ordered the vintage version because many modern versions of old perfumes that are still available have been thinned and cheapened beyond recognition (most Caron EdPs have suffered for example). But no idea how Antilope has fared. Vintage minis - if you can find them - are often an affordable way of wearing something very unique.

Viviennemary Sat 09-Feb-13 18:37:58

Florascotia, I did get a bottle of the Apres l'ondee a couple of weeks ago. It's lovely. I have gone a bit perfume mad since reading this thread. So perhaps it's as well I didn't love the l'heure bleue. But I might love it a bit more when my bank balance recovers! I think I once had a bottle of Diorella a long long time ago that my Mum bought for me. But I can't remember what it was like. Must try the Vol de Nuit. That sounds lovely.

florascotia Sat 09-Feb-13 19:05:51

As always, thanks ProFumo. I had not thought of - or even known of! - Douce Amere.
I so much agree about many vintage scents being better than modern ones.
Was horrified to discover that favourite bathroom air-freshener smell - from well-known USA 'green' household products company- has had its ingredients changed. Who knows why, but I suspect EU or US (?) perfume regulations. Was previously based on mood-uplifting orange peel. Now is still called 'citrus' but is in fact lemon grass which is not bad, when when it comes to the nice smells department is just not in the same class at all.

Your vintage Antilope sounds WILD...

Am saving up at present to buy a few drops of summertime favourite vintage Vent Vert from Surrender to Chance. Will see if it's available as a mini, also.

Vivienne, am so pleased that you like Apres L'Ondee. It's my favourite daytime scent for winter - other Perfumistas say it reminds them of spring, as well. I find that it does not last too well, but the first sniff is so lovely that I never mind re-spraying....

Badvoc Sat 09-Feb-13 20:49:36

Thanks Profumo x

IsabelleRinging Sat 09-Feb-13 20:57:27

OK, too impatient, had a shower and washed the days scents off, just so I could try some more.

Carnal Flower on one wrist, Fleur nocturne on the other. Both gorgeous.

OMG!!! Fleur Nocturne is the beautiful, lush, white floral I've been searching for. It is simply a scrummy sweet gardenia/jasmine, a smidge of coconut and very soft subtle fruity notes. It is delicate, yet opulent. This one won't offend anyone so not for you tar and rubber lovers.

Carnal flower is in many ways similar, but at the same time very different. It is much greener, and I'm getting a waxyness from the tuberose and more 'thickness'. This smells like a real plant, there is freshness, there is a little earthiness and it is much more edgy than Fleur nocturne.

Neither of these two tuberose fragrances have the nauseating headyness of Fracas.

Out of the two I think I'm loving Carnal Flower more but I NEED both of these in my perfume box! <dreams away>

CointreauVersial Sat 09-Feb-13 21:36:34

Kiwigirl - I have a sample of Un Rose Vermeille you can have. Only 1/2 ml left. Happy to swap if you have something you don't like. Yes, tis jammy!

The Reverie du Jardin got worse - it has an annoying, choking, nose-numbing note that I'm not enjoying. Not sure what it is, but like Orange Star I've been willing it to die away all afternoon.

ProFumo Sat 09-Feb-13 21:38:09

Isabelle Fracas is too sweet and heavy on me too - I like the greener tubes.
<obsessed with Beyond Love>

Came here to flag a good eBay find - a fantastic niche sample set for someone who likes darker, borderline masculine woody/patchouli/rubber notes. (Obviously not my listing.) Some of my best sample finds have been such lots on eBay - fellow perfumistas moving on and clearing their cupboards.

Isabelle I think people use the word 'powdery' to refer to several quite distinct things and it can get very confusing. In my experience, people can mean at least three distinct things when they talk about powderiness: 1) aldehydes (smell that soapy slightly tart fizz when you spray Chanel No. 5 or No. 22 or Miriam - that to most people smells "perfumey" and to many of us also "old lady" and "dated"); 2) baby powder as defined by Johnson&Johnson - that's the reference; Bulgari Petits et Mamans is the same in a perfume bottle (citrus and vanilla, basically); 3) powder as the classic makeup scent, often rose-iris/violet - smell a Guerlain face powder or Lipstick Rose, HdP Moulin Rouge, Teint de Neige and countless others. I try to avoid the word "powdery" altogether, but if I use it, I normally mean #3 (classic face powder smell).

IsabelleRinging Sat 09-Feb-13 22:04:06

Profumo, I liked Beyond Love too when I had a little squirt of it a few weeks ago, in my memory it is smoother than Carnal Flower?? and seems quite a pure tuberose, not tainted with much else, but I would have to try it again to be sure.

Carnal Flower just gets better every time I sniff it. I want it to be summer so I can wear this whilst sitting outside on a balmy summers night, sipping something refreshing.

Yes, a lot of reviews described Teint de neige as smelling of baby powder, but it's not that simple, it's more the scent of old fashioned face powder to me, but there is more complexity to it. I like it. I think "an angel's dressing table" is a good description.

Haberdashery Sat 09-Feb-13 22:06:53

Oh, Profumo, that might just be my kind of thing... Thank you. Will take a closer look.

Powdery is a funny one. I have a horrible thing about powdery smells and find what I think of as powdery almost unendurable. For me it's baby powder and also a smell that is something between musk and fruit only with something else in there and it gives me a vile round sort of filled up feeling in my nose. I think that probably sounds a bit nuts and have no better words to describe it. I also loathe the cardboard deadness of iris.

I probably need to read the Aftel book so I can try and actually identify what I'm talking about as I am pretty sure that nobody on this thread can identify a 'round' smell (or at least not the same one as mine). I mainly like ribbony smells, for future reference. But wispy and smoky smells are fine, too. Also sparkly smells and soft smells. Hard smells are right out. Bouncy smells can just not bother as they are the worst of all.

PS, I have had a really shitty Saturday, for various reasons, but am v cheered by a spray of Eau D'Epices.

CointreauVersial Sat 09-Feb-13 23:11:58

If I see anything described as powdery, or poudre, I run for the hills. It brings to mind that cloying old-lady makeup smell that I dislike intensely.

gatheringlilac Sun 10-Feb-13 00:42:50

Isabelle "Carnal Flower" is my "going out" fragrance: I love it too. How nice to meet someone else who shares the same tastes. I wore it once and someone commented on the very strong smell of lavender. She meant the CF but identified it as lavender. I thought that was interesting and really highlighted how angular and green CF is, compared to something like Estee Lauder's "Tuberose Gardenia". I'm intrigued by the sound of the nocturnal flowers too.

My goodness, on another note, I tried Jo Malone's "Tea (Assam? Earl Grey?) and Cucumber" the other day. I know it's an oldie, given a second spin, but ... it was truly disgusting. People are forever complaining about the lack of longevity in JM's perfumes but, with cruel irony, this is sticking with me like some horrible stalker. It's like an over-ripe, lemony, creamy fruit and is just unbelievably sickly. I normally like JM but this seems really "off". I also think I tried it last time it was released and I don't recall having a reaction like this. I'm wondering if it's been tinkered with and sweetened up? Has anyone else had this reaction?

coffeeinbed Sun 10-Feb-13 12:07:50

Jo Malone lost it when it got sold to Estee Lauder.
Their Vanille Anise is truly vile.

coffeeinbed Sun 10-Feb-13 12:09:37

No perfume today but Weleda Sandthorn Body oil.
Lovely smell - a bit flowery and bit lemony.
And feels great as well.

ProFumo Sun 10-Feb-13 14:19:48

With code lucky8, 8% off any order at today to celebrate the Chinese New Year - that's £2 off if you are buying the ELdO sample set.

shopafrolic Sun 10-Feb-13 15:01:26

Just ducking in to as a quick question if I may?
I tried some Tom Ford fragrances yesterday - Oud Wood, Tuscan Leather and Noir de Noir all of which I love but they are out of my price range for now. Apparently the common ingredient to all three is Oud? I have no idea what that is (sorry, not educated at all in fragrance) but I wondered if any of you had any recommendations for fragrances I could try if I love these?

CointreauVersial Sun 10-Feb-13 15:05:09

Caron Secret Oud is nice.

I just had to try it after someone on a previous perfumista thread described it as smelling like a "tree stump that some woodland creature had wiped its bottom on" grin

ProFumo Sun 10-Feb-13 15:23:44

Shop, hi! grin, oud is worm-eaten agarwood that has a special, warm, pungent smell. It has became extremely fashionable in Western perfumery a few years ago. The natural raw material is rare and inexpensive, so most perfume houses use synthetics.

No need to splash out for a full bottle. For £20, you can buy a 10ml decant of Tuscan Leather from Healer on Crystal Flacon (just email him)- he is UK-based, hope your mail service still complies. You can also buy bigger 8ml TF samples from Alla Violetta (shipping via UPS). I'm naturally biased but these are worth splashing out for. I wore Tuscan Leather to bed last night - it's simply very nice. grin

Other ouds that I like: Oud by Mona di Orio, Oud by Maison Kurkdjian, M7 Oud Absolu, Dior Leather Oud, Dior Oud Ispahan. All are expensive except M7 (=mainstream masculine).

ProFumo Sun 10-Feb-13 15:24:31

D'oh, rare and expensive...

CointreauVersial Sun 10-Feb-13 15:29:53

Testing another Tauer triumph today - Une Rose Chypree. The rose is at the spicy pot pourri end of the rose spectrum, and a few hours in it has developed into a gorgeous warm base, very like L'Air du Desert Marocain. An evening fragrance, possibly.

ProFumo Sun 10-Feb-13 16:16:24

I've worn and admired Beyond Love all day. The other day I felt she is too aloof and cerebral, but she's a real seductress. I fell for the oldest trick in the book - play hard to get grin

Today Beyond Love has been warm and cool in equal measures. Alleged ingredient list here - and if it is to be believed, lots of naturals were used. Tuberosa, jasmine, coconut, clary sage over a musk base. Simple but magnificent - I've smelled a few tuberose absolutes, they tend to be complex (as you can smell in Loretta). This is a must-smell for a tuberose lover - halfway between Loretta and Fracas.

The perfume lasted for about 7-8 hours but has faded to a skin scent now. Even at its height you could wear this around other people, possibly even at work.

shopafrolic Sun 10-Feb-13 17:13:57

Thanks Cointreau and ProFumo I've registered with Crystal Flacon so am just waiting for my confirmation before I can email.
In terms of perfume history mine goes:
CK Eternity and Obsession
Ysatis (which I loved back then) and Amarige
O de Lancome
Eau de Merveilles Hermes (still love this)
Chanel No 5 and Allure
I wore Dior Addict on my wedding day!
Currently rotating Burberry Body, Chanel Chance, No 19 Poudre (think I should have bought 19) and Miss Dior
I have no idea if there is any consistency at all amongst these?

ProFumo Sun 10-Feb-13 17:37:04

Shop you are dangerously close to being a perfume sibling - snap on Obsession, Eternity, Amarige, O - all old favorites mine. No. 19 is a current favorite and I still wear Amarige, but I also have a strong unisex/masculine vibe, loving leather perfumes and many classic masculines (Eau Sauvage is my current O and Habit Rouge is a light and debonair masculine oriental, much less ball-busting than Obsession). I like most perfume groups, but insipid fruity florals tend to bore me. My main comfort zones are ambery, oriental, leathery, and green perfumes and classic citrus colognes during. Summer. I love tuberose - Ysatis has that too.

Watch out, this is a dangerous addiction... But welcome anyway!

ProFumo Sun 10-Feb-13 17:39:27

Oh and with Crystal Flacon, easiest just to find the email address of the seller from the listing and email directly (or pm them). Crystal Flacon is terrific, I've never had any problems and have puchased exquisite things from the vendors there.

shopafrolic Sun 10-Feb-13 18:03:17

Mmmm tried to find his email address but couldn't see for looking!
Thanks for the welcome. This could become a new interest!

ProFumo Sun 10-Feb-13 18:05:45

Just dabbed on some L'Artisan Jour de Fête to get started with the almond theme. Olivia Giacobetti is a maverick perfumer (Hiris, Premier Figuier, Philosykos, Dzing!, Safran troublant, En passant...) and this is another fantastic one - almond, vanilla, wheat - sounds leaden, but she makes a translucent weightless perfume out of heavy-sounding materials. To me, this smells like sweet, sappy birch twigs at when the first pale yellowish-green leaves are about to emerge. A comfort scent from my childhood, and the perfect early spring perfume.

IsabelleRinging Sun 10-Feb-13 19:02:07

Quick dash round the Trafford Centre in Manchester today, they have the Chanel Exclusifs at Selfridges there now!

Sniffed Iris Nobile Sublime- less citrus and more ambery than the EDP, lovely, although thought the EDP was brighter, and the body milk is to die for!

Also had a quick sniff of the the new Jimmy Choo one- smells like everything else, boring, familiar fruity floral.

Wearing Fleur Nocturne sample, feel really let down by this now, as although the smell is the exact one I have been chasing, it doesn't last at all and had virtually no projection, gone in about 30 minutes. Not understanding how so many of the reviews can describe it has having heavy silage.

What do people think of Dior Pure Poison? My fragrantica searches for a sweet gardenia/jasmine pure smelling white floral seem to bring this up as the closest match to Fleur Nocturne, maybe being a Dior it will have a bit more staying power, the only real difference seems to be the addition of amber, which I love anyway.

IsabelleRinging Sun 10-Feb-13 19:21:08

ProFumo, how does Beyond Love compare to Carnal Flower?

ProFumo Sun 10-Feb-13 20:19:25

Isabelle I haven't smelled Carnal Flower and Beyond Love side by side but in my head CF is leaner, meaner and greener - Beyond Love is cool/warm, has some green aspects but also white flower voluptuousness and the softness of coconut. (Coconut sounds awful in this context, like a pina colada from hell - but actually it's subtle, just gives the scent some flesh and curves.) If you happen to see BL somewhere, definitely worth sampling.

The best prediction of staying power is the fragrance family - the heavier the fragrance, the longer it usually lingers - orientals tend to have the heaviest molecules and hence it's easy to get 12+ wearing time. I have a touche dipped in castoreum (don't ask - poor beavers) and have kept on my dresser since last September, ie, 6 months. It's a sticky tarry substance and the smell is still perceptible. If you dip a touche in something very volatile, say a citrus essence or a delicate white flower absolute, it will be gone in hours or days.

I have not tried Fleur Nocturne but disappointing wear is all too common these days. Many perfumes are top-heavy, created to bloom on the touche. This is why skin testing is really important. I know Poison and Hypnotic Poison (both wear well) but (to my shame) haven't tried Pure Poison and Midnight Poison. Dior has gone downhill - their offerings are a mixed bunch (I got 30 min wearing time from one of their boutique perfumes). Go ahead, test it, and let us know! Has anyone else worn Pure Poison?

scarletsalt Sun 10-Feb-13 20:31:39

Ok, so have a Les Senteurs basket with the following samples in:

Orange Star
Eau d'hadrien
Orange Sanguine
and Carnal Flower

Havent clicked 'buy' yet and am a bit scared! Have only ever smelt the types of perfumes you get in Boots/department stores and I really dont know what to expect. In some ways I am sort of hoping that I hate all of them and decide to stick to mainstream, otherwise this could get expensive... but on the other hand I am worried that if I am disappointed, my tastes just are not sophisticated enough! Want to give them a chance though and open my mind (nose?) a bit when it comes to fragrance.

ProFumo Sun 10-Feb-13 20:46:35

Scarletsalt, before becoming a perfumista, I bought a lot of perfumes in duty frees - often blind. Then I ordered four samples from Les Senteurs - more based on their fascinating names than any real knowledge - and did some sniffing in a Chanel boutique, and the rest is history.

That said, maybe one of every ten perfumes I come across are compelling enough to be worn a second time. Your samples sound lovely (but be warned - Orange Star can be daunting!), really hope you'll enjoy them! I'll need to try Orange Sanguine - blood oranges are in season now and I love them. Eau de Tarocco by Diptyque is also very good if you happen to see it somewhere.

Why do I prefer niche over mainstream? I get slightly more unusual and memorable perfumes. Their role is not just to mask bad smells/ help me to conform into a group - they are a statement of individuality. They do not smell as clichey, I can't smell them on passers-by. In general, I also get better quality, though there are many exceptions - a cologne strength is never going to offer full day wear, no matter what price tag. And I get beautiful drydowns - perfumes evaporate in a measured, elegant way, not leaving a sour acridness.

There are, however, well-made budget perfumes. Yves Rocher and L'Occitane and Gorilla Perfumes at Lush are often decent.

scarletsalt Sun 10-Feb-13 21:02:36

Thanks ProFumo, I love your posts by the way!

CointreauVersial Sun 10-Feb-13 21:07:02

Go for it, Scarlet! Eau d'Hadrien is on my wish list at the moment. Guaranteed you won't like every new fragrance you try, but I'm coming to realise there is a roaring trade in swaps and eBay sales.

YouOldSlag Sun 10-Feb-13 21:08:18

I have just tried Eau D'Hadrien and it's wonderful (thanks ProFumo!). I was less impressed with Eau Vitaminee- it smelt of orange juice and nothing else.

But Eau D'Hadrien- Mmm. I might put that on the wish list. It's like O de Lancome but different enough to justify having both. Now I know I like hesperides there's no stopping me, although I do like heavier stuff occasionally like patchouli (Borneo 1834), Obsession (but just one squirt) and Molinard Habanita, just for now and then.

I think I have decided that i'm not keen on Fredric Malle although I have only tried three. They all seem to have a thick base note in common that I find very heavy and thick, stuffy even, like having all the windows shut!

CointreauVersial Sun 10-Feb-13 21:08:46

ProFumo, you make every fragrance sound so tempting. I'm now adding Jour de Fete to my bottomless list!

YouOldSlag Sun 10-Feb-13 21:09:47

ooh cross posts Cointreau! I just tried Eau d'hadrien too!

ProFumo Sun 10-Feb-13 21:10:52

Scarletsalt, thanks! Before you press "buy", perhaps go to your local store and try the following citruses 1. 4711 (dirt cheap), 2. Guerlain Eau de Cologne Imperiale (may be at the men's department) 3. Eau Sauvage by Dior (also men's deparment) and 4. Acqua di Parma Colonia Assoluta and 5. Happy by Clinique. If you are happy with any of them - quite a few of them are stellar - no need to discover niche options.

I started ordering samples home because I did not like the department store shopping experience (I was clueless - had no idea what was good and what to pick - and the scary orange ladies just pushed the newest releases).

ProFumo Sun 10-Feb-13 21:18:11

MmeSlag, do not write off Malle before you have a verdict on Bigarade Concentree wink The rest may not be in your preferred style (imo Malles are best for someone who is looking for modern and stylish interpretations of florals - these are not your grannys bouquets), but that one you should sample if you happen to see it somewhere.

Bigarade is bitter orange / Seville orange - to me, really mouthwatering. <drool>

IsabelleRinging Sun 10-Feb-13 21:23:42

Profumo, I did have a little spray of beyond Love a couple of weeks ago, and as I recall it was very smooth compared to CF, but i didn't really pay enough attention to it at the time. Maybe I will try it again before splashing out on a full bottle of Carnal Flower?

Trying Coco et Vanille from Coudray tonight. It is very yummy, sort of a slightly floral vanilla and coconut, a bit like Bois de Vanille with a touch of floral. I think if you enjoy the vanilla in Shalimar, but find it a bit old lady you may want to try this instead as it's much more modern. It is VERY sweet, I am enjoying it tonight, but not sure it is something I would want to wear a lot, it's a bit too gourmand for me. It's good value though from Les Senteurs, not too pricey compared to most.

IsabelleRinging Sun 10-Feb-13 21:26:14

I daren't smell any more Frederick Malle's, I am afraid I might love them all, so modern yet classy and different!

IsabelleRinging Sun 10-Feb-13 21:31:00

And Dominique Ropion has made lots of the perfumes I love! Will definitely have to try Pure Poison as this is one of his too according to my research.

scarletsalt Sun 10-Feb-13 22:11:57

Can I just ask a quick question? Are the les senteurs samples recorded delivery? It says on the website that they deliver by recorded delivery, but I wasnt sure if this applied to the samples as well? And is it just £3 charge for the samples?

ProFumo Mon 11-Feb-13 07:50:45

SOTD: Liaisons dangereuses, By Kilian. The smell of confectioner's sugar and rose halva. Opens with a lotioney vibe, a bit mature and matronly on my skin, let's see how it develops.

Secretsalt, haven't used Les Senteurs recently, does anyone else know?

Isabelle looking forward to a Dominique Ropion miniseries! I love thematic smelling. There are so many perfumes - it's easy to get overwhelmed and lost. That's why picking a theme (a perfumer, a note, a perfume family or subfamily) gives some direction and purpose. A great theme I once did was to smell a bunch of perfumes with 'noir' in the name - they were extremely varied! I really wanted to include Hello Kitty Noir grin but was unable to find it - iirc it was a Sephora US exclusive wink

ProFumo Mon 11-Feb-13 08:05:15

A list of Ropion's work here. He's been everywhere!
He's done some of my favorites - Amarige, Geranium pour Monsieur, and my early love, Safari by Ralph Lauren (I miss this and have ordered a mini to re-experience it), and a titillating überniche release "What we do in Paris is Secret" (smelled it at a perfume fair and have been hankering after it ever since). But he is also responsible for some of the most queasy things I've ever smelled - Armani Code pour Femme, Alien and Amor Amor by Cacharel < green in the face emoticon>
Do you ladies have Ropions among your favorites?

EasyFromNowOn Mon 11-Feb-13 08:17:38

scarlet - yes, Les Senteurs use recorded delivery, I had to sign for some samples last week. And yes, it is £3.

YouOldSlag Mon 11-Feb-13 09:52:08

Thanks Profumo I shall look for Bigarade. I LOVE bitter orange in fragrance.

The ones I tried were Iris Poudre, L'Eau d'hiver and Musc Ravageur. I generally like something sharper and fresher or totally spicy/patchouli at the other end of the spectrum.

I will try anything with sharp oranges in.

Fuzzybirds Mon 11-Feb-13 10:38:41

Isabelle, I wore Pure Poison probably about 8 years ago so my memory is a bit sketchy and I can't remember the exact notes, but I remember it as a very dusky and seductive scent, with an ethereal quality. It was my going out fragrance at the time, for me more of an evening perfume but it had very good sillage and was distinctive without being overly strong or overpowering. Of course they may have changed the formula now!

I'm wearing Comme Des Garçons 2 today, it reminds me of the smell of leaky biros and those old copy books with the blue sheets in. Sounds weird but is actually rather nice, I like it!

I've been researching various violet perfumes and I think what I'm after is a powdery make-up scent, rather than a realistic violet plant, but not that über sweet Parma violet candy smell that so many violets seem to have. I'm sure meteorites would have been perfect but of course it's discontinued sad

Any ideas anyone?

shoeprincess2 Mon 11-Feb-13 11:15:52

Fuzzy-you need to try Frederick Malle's Lipstick Rose, if it is the old school makeup scent you are after. It really is reminiscent of the old scented powders and lipsticks.

ProFumo Mon 11-Feb-13 11:46:39

2nd Lipstick Rose! Also HdP Moulin Rouge and YSL Paris. Steer clear of green violet leaf notes and look for violet flower notes softened by rose and/or heliotrope.

I have a box of violet samples too. Maybe I'll go through them in March...
The strangest violet scent I know is Unicorn Spell by Lez Nez. Like an astroturf pasture where My Little Ponies graze.

Liaisons Dangereuses is a close to skin powdery rose that smell's like Marie Antoinette's wig (edit out the lice). Very subtle and wearable, and still very much rose halva from Istambul, with the same squeaky cornstarch consistency. Subdued but inviting.

Fuzzybirds Mon 11-Feb-13 12:46:49

Brilliant, thank you both! I've worked out that it's the nostalgia factor that does it for me, I like many perfumes but the ones I really love trigger old memories- my Nan's lipstick or my Mum's make-up box with cream stick eyeshadows. I would love to find one of those little Avon daisy brooches with solid perfume in that I had as a child, anyone else remember them?

Ooh Profumo I love your description of Unicorn Spell!

YouOldSlag Mon 11-Feb-13 12:55:07

Fuzzy- I remember those brooches! Avon used to make such lovely things and I remember some excellent perfumes but I don't rate their perfumes today, maybe Little Black Dress and the LaCroix ones might be OK, but I really think Avon should narrow their field and makes a few excellent fragrances instead of about 40 average ones.

I have some really happy olfactory memories of Avon products as I was growing up.

Badvoc Mon 11-Feb-13 13:28:43

Me too youoldslag smile
I had one of those solid perfume brooches in the shape of a daisy smile
I thought I was the bees knees <deluded>

niminypiminy Mon 11-Feb-13 13:39:04

Oooh you've just reminded me! When I was a teenager, in the mists of the mid-seventies, I used to love a solid perfume that Boots 17 did -- Juniper. I thought it was lovely, and it was so cheap I could buy it with pocket money. Those were the days!

cardoon Mon 11-Feb-13 13:53:59

Fuzzy I have a sample of Lipstick Rose going a-begging if you are interested?

IsabelleRinging Mon 11-Feb-13 14:10:28

Dominique Ropion's fragrances all seem to be quite distinctive, even if there isn't a distinct style to his fragrances as a whole [ Another list here]]. Many of them seem to be Love or hates.

I love,
Sisley Soir de Lune
Carnal Flower
Portait of a Lady
Anglomania used to be amazing, it was so different, where did it go?
Euphoria, this used to be a favourite.
Alien sunessence, I have this from a few summers ago, it has a weird quality to it, like no other summer fragrance, something to do with the woods which I can't even describe, it's like it is translucent but heavy at the same time. It almost vibrates.

La Vie este Belle is nice if you want a fruity floral, more distinctive than most.

Lalique Le Parfum is one of his also and the description sounds really good and right up my street of florientals, has anyone tried this?

Pure Poison sounds promising, will try on the way to ballet classes on Wed! <hopes up high>

Badvoc Mon 11-Feb-13 14:24:54

Cardoon...if fuzzy doesn't want the sample, may I?
I love rose fragrances, but some are just too artificial for me.
One of my fave smells was my Lancôme blusher I had for years which was fragrances with rose...

niminypiminy Mon 11-Feb-13 14:30:16

Badvoc: I also have a sample of Lipstick Rose going begging (obviously it's a loveitorhateit kind of thing). Let me know if you'd like it. Also have Rose Vermeille.

Clearly rose is not my thing -- odd because I love, love, love the smell of actual roses.

Badvoc Mon 11-Feb-13 14:35:38

Oh that's very kind.
If you don't mind?
I can PayPal for postage?

cardoon Mon 11-Feb-13 14:35:46

Sure Badvoc.....I'll wait to hear from Fuzzy first though.....

kiwigirl42 Mon 11-Feb-13 14:50:54

CointreauVersial that is kind of you but I've been offered a swap already thank you. Will report back once I've tried it

Fuzzybirds Mon 11-Feb-13 15:01:50

Cardoon, I have pm'd you with some possible swapsies smile

Has anyone tried any Jean Charles Brousseau's? Ombre Rose and Violette Menthe look interesting. Avon stuff used to be fab, my Mum used to buy me kiddy make up that was like very watered down stuff. The 'nail varnish' was like water with a bit of pink food colouring added. I imagine she bought it to try and stop me nosing around her dressing table!

florascotia Mon 11-Feb-13 15:45:26

Just a quick thought for Slag and other Perfumistas who like oranges.

Have you tried Borsari's Acqua Classica? It's a unisex cologne and therefore not long lasting, and has lemons as well as oranges (so that may rule it out for some), with a twinge of woodiness to follow. A morning smell, rather than an evening one... Nothing too fancy or complicated.

YouOldSlag Mon 11-Feb-13 16:00:19

That sounds right up my street flora! Thanks for the tip off.

shoeprincess2 Mon 11-Feb-13 16:21:12

Niminy- have you tried L'ombre dans l'eau by Diptyque. It is a wild rose scent, rather than the jammy type of Rose Vermeille. I think you might like it...

niminypiminy Mon 11-Feb-13 17:03:45

I shall add it to my list! thank you!

Actually I did quite like Rose Chypre which was more wild rose than jam rose. But there's something about the way that rose scents develop that I don't like -- I love the rose opening but that's often the only bit I do like <fussy>

ProFumo Mon 11-Feb-13 17:32:47

MmeSlag you should also try Eau de Tarocco by Diptyque if you see it somewhere. Another burst of Vitamin C.

I need some Vitamin C: I'm getting diabetes. Rose halva for breakfast, People of the Labyriths by Luctor et Emergo (name hmm), that is pure marzipan for supper. <tummyache and toothache>

That's my problem with gourmands. I like them as comfort scents in small doses, but as the main course... I'm attracting flies grin

Fuzzy I have some Ombreau Rose somewhere. Need to try it.

For those who like an uncomplicated fresh rose, Une Rose by Frederic Malle and Rose Noir by Byredo are lovely and fresh. The jamminess in rose is a byproduct of the extraction method (steam distillation) - the rose is cooked by steam and you get jam and marmalade. Gentler exctraction methods (and their synthetic equivalents) result in a much fresher rose smell.

Re: must-smell lists, this one here is quite good - 100 fragrances every perfumista must smell - I still haven't tried everything on it. But as of today, I can cross Luctor et Emergo off the list. wink

ProFumo Mon 11-Feb-13 17:35:15

Meant Ombre Rose <tired>

clb Mon 11-Feb-13 17:56:42

A morning visit to Liberty and a FB purchase of Ninfeo Mio, which I would never have known about without ProFumo - thank you!

Smelled quite a few Frédéric Malles there, too, notionally in order to find a mimosa for my mother, who loves them. Not sure Une Fleur de Cassie is quite right, though she might like the body milk when it comes back (they're apparently being repackaged) - L'Artisan's Mimosa pour Moi, which is more of a soliflore, may be better for her.

Anyway, L'eau d'Hiver - this is wonderful! Reminds me in its light floral almondiness of Heeley's L'Armandière, so may be worth trying by willaminajetfighter.

And Une Rose, which I found much more appealing than the three Tauer roses I've been trying over the last few days: Incense Rosé, Une Rose Chyprée and Une Rose Vermeille. There's something I find a bit harsh, perhaps citric, in each of these and it didn't seem present in the Malle - but I need to try it on skin.

Narrowly avoided a purchase of the Malle coffret of 5ml samples. There are so many I like there: Une Rose and L'eau d'Hiver, obvs, but also Lys Méditerranée, Carnal Flower and the delectable bitter-marmaladey Bigarade Concentrée

coffeeinbed Mon 11-Feb-13 18:21:43

Did Liberty have the Malle coffret?


clb Mon 11-Feb-13 18:33:54

Yes! But I think only the feminine one - they've sold out of the complete one, I think. But I think Les Senteurs in Seymour Place have the complete one...

coffeeinbed Mon 11-Feb-13 18:36:20


Haberdashery Mon 11-Feb-13 21:33:28

Testing Tauer's Zeta today. Oh my goodness. I am very much in love with this. It is very very citrussy - really bright and sharp and like whole baskets of lemons and oranges. But there's something very sweet and gentle in the middle of it, a bit like honey or warm tea. A lot of reviews call this summery and spring-like, and it is, but actually it also makes me think of hot lemon and honey in winter, very hot and freshly made with a really sharp note to it. The honeyish thing is very strong. There are some flowers, too, greenish ones, and the combination of the citrus and honey and flowers is a bit like bathing in herbal tea. There's something hot and steamy about it. I really really like this. There's also an almost soapy smell to it. With the whole bath, tea, citrus, honey thing going on, it's very much like a whole bunch of my favourite smells all rolled up together. Would highly recommend to lovers of citrus and green smells.

ProFumo Tue 12-Feb-13 07:47:47

Haber, you've found something really unique. Iirc Andy uses
linden (=lime, tilia) exctract, a rare natural that comes from a family producer in Bulgaria. You are thinking of a tisane because it's the same stuff that's used in tilleul tea. I can't think of any other fragrance that smells like this. There is a lot of sandalwood in the composition too iirc. To me this is an Easter chick yellow scent.

clb so happy that you found Ninfeo Mio! Very tempted to wear it today - in need of something fresher after yesterday's sugar overdose.

I have the big Malle coffret. They had one before but it sold out - when I heard they are doing it again, I bought it immediately. 1/3 of the perfumes I really like - 1/3 are okay - 1/3 I don't wear: many of the no-gos are the masculines - I don't like the vetiver, the spicy scent has the wrong musk, Dans tes bras has a visceral kidney pie note, and I don't need a French Lover ;) Some perfumista friends bought a box jointly and were able to figure out likes and dislikes so that everyone got something good. I think these small bottles are rare enough to have some resale/swap value.

Tauer's perfumes tend to have a heavy-handed, sober, to the max house style. He is an orientalist at heart, renewing the genre much like Lutens/Sheldrake (to you: father of Coromandel) did a decade earlier. Mainstream hasn't produced really interesting orientals in a long time - perhaps not since Angel.

If you like lightweight and translucence, there are other houses for you: anything by JC Ellena (currently at Hermes), Goutals (current nose: Isabelle Doyen), and many new niche lines, like Olfactive Studio.
A very interesting niche line worth sampling is The Different Company. Started by JC, his daughter Celine Ellena took it over and she has an interesting style of her own. Plus the art deco inspired bottles are to die for...

coffeeinbed Tue 12-Feb-13 08:08:32

Haber, my mum hates the smell of linden because she was given the tisane whenever she was ill when she was a child.
I love it, it's the perfect golden smell of Summer.
I have some Mac Naked Honey - it was a limited edition a couple of years ago and it's linden and honey. It's gorgeous but sweet.
Most lindens tend to tip over to the soapy sweet.
Might have to try Zeta.

clb Tue 12-Feb-13 09:24:26

I yearn to love Zeta - I adore the smell of lime blossoms. But - horrors! - I got a really strong note of pee. DH didn't notice it at all, and liked the perfume, but I had to rush to the bathroom and wash and wash and wash. But Haber's description makes me think that I need to be brave and give it another try, some time...

So far the only Tauer I like - and I really like it - is L'air du désert marocain.

Thanks for the recs, ProFumo. I'll look out for Olfactive Studio + The Different Company. Already interested in Goutals and will explore further and will have a shot at Hermès, too (I tried L'Ambre des Merveilles on paper yesterday at JL, but it was too sweet).

coffeeinbed Tue 12-Feb-13 09:37:28

L'Ambre is sweet, it's the vanilla, the Original and the parfum are drier.

clb Tue 12-Feb-13 09:52:19

Thank you, coffee - will remember that.

ProFumo Tue 12-Feb-13 10:27:40

Testing two barely-there fragrances today.
Osmanthus by TDC - smells weakly like a rubber doll's head, then fades into the softest but not unpleasant skin scent. If you want an osmathus that is like a glass of champagne, try Osmanthus by Ormonde Jayne.

Now wearing L'eau de Neroli by Diptyque (couldn't my sample of Tarocco). This is a soft but effervescent cologne with a modern base. Mood-lifting, but not very unique. L'Eau de Tarocco is much better. It is available as a roll-on cologne (20ml) for 30€/£28 so maybe I should just bite the bullet and buy it for spring and summer. Craving Vitamin C - have a citrus chicken tray bake in the oven wink

ProFumo Tue 12-Feb-13 10:33:43

Clb I get the heady perfumey mix of linden flowers heavy with bees and pollen from the heart notes of quite a few opulent oldies - Bal à Versailles and Shem-el-Nessim for example. BaV can smell like pee and knickers too, so be careful around your husband...

I can't wear Zeta either - but am so happy that some of you can!

clb Tue 12-Feb-13 11:12:08

Caron's Narcisse Noir smelled of pee to me, too.

But enough of that - Ninfeo Mio smelling really uplifting and wonderful this morning.

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Haberdashery Tue 12-Feb-13 11:48:02

I'm now feeling quite lucky that pee is not a note I seem to detect easily in perfumes! Yuk.

Still absolutely adoring Zeta. And I think I might get myself some linden tea, too! Mac Naked Honey sounds lovely.

It's interesting that you say Tauer is an orientalist at heart, Profumo, as I usually loathe orientals. Angel in particular makes me feel really unwell, genuinely sick. Perhaps there are others that I might like out there. It could be a new direction of investigation.

ProFumo Tue 12-Feb-13 12:14:57

Angel is a hyper-sweet gourmand. Goumands are popular spin-off from the bigger oriental family.
There are a lot of drier woody/spicy orientals (masculines generally).

I like animalic perfumes- a hint of pee, feces, sweat, matted hair - I find too clean perfumes much more difficult.

Haberdashery Tue 12-Feb-13 12:20:58

Ah! I see. Thank you. I do like wood/spice.

coffeeinbed Tue 12-Feb-13 13:34:34

Best osmanthus I've tried is still Eau du Fier.
It starts with the smokiest Lapsang tea type smell and then mellows to osmanthus.
Sadly it had birch tar so it was discontinued.

IsabelleRinging Tue 12-Feb-13 14:21:45

Got my copy of the Turin/Sanchez guide today (bargain on Amazon). Surprised at some of the reviews, I really must have an unsophisticated nose grin. Particularly baffled at Estee's Beyond Paradise, I have sniffed this quite a few times in the hope it was as gorgeous as the bottle, and every time have though how watery and unremarkable it is, but they give it 5* and make it one of the to florals.

shoeprincess2 Tue 12-Feb-13 14:38:24

Isabelle- I was distinctly underwhelmed by Beyond Paradise too. I nearly fell off the sofa when I saw that it was in the guide. I am wearing Lonestar Memories today. It is bracing outside, so it is a perfect smell for me. Profumo- citrus chicken tray bake you say? Yum smile

IsabelleRinging Tue 12-Feb-13 14:45:37

I am wearing Teint de Neige today, I really like it, it had disappeared on me by lunchtime though, so much for the super lasting power and monster silage reported on Fragrantica reviews <wonders if Les Senteurs are watering down their samples>.

shoeprincess2 Tue 12-Feb-13 14:47:57

Really? Mine stayed on all day. Hmmm, that's interesting. Try putting some oil on your wrists (jojoba is best) and apply the dabber. It should extend the life of your fragrance on skin.

IsabelleRinging Tue 12-Feb-13 15:04:57

I put on LOTS as well, not with the dabber, I literally poured it from the tester bottle, used almost half the tester (lots on neck and chest). I have quite oily skin, and find most fragrances last a reasonable time on me with just a bit of unscented body lotion underneath (Coromandel lasted almost 24 hours!) and yesterdays Iris Nobile even lasted longer than the Teint de Neige.

shoeprincess2 Tue 12-Feb-13 15:09:05

Really? Oh my goodness. I don't usually recommend fragrances that have poor longevity, as I like a scent to stay with me all day. I have worn it 3 times now, and barely used any of the sample, as I have literally used one dab each time. The AdP scents are gone within 2 hours on my skin, so I am very surprised. So, it is an opulent scent, just very fleeting for you isabelle sad

cardoon Tue 12-Feb-13 15:10:33

I put TdeN on yesterday morning and i can still smell it now! unfortunately grin

IsabelleRinging Tue 12-Feb-13 15:22:57

Where did you get your sample from Shoe? I wonder if you have the EDP, mine is the EDT? or maybe it just behaves differently on my skin compared to yours. I still like it and it was lovely this morning as it was so frosty and it felt like the right scent for the day.

shoeprincess2 Tue 12-Feb-13 15:30:01

Mine was from Les Senteurs, when it was £5 per sample and no postage cost. It was ordered back in October, so yes, it may have been the EdP. It was only annotated as Teint de Neige on the card.

Fuzzybirds Tue 12-Feb-13 15:37:19

I'm testing out YSLs M7 today on behalf of DH, don't really know many masculines apart from the ones DH is fond of but I do like this a lot. Starts off slightly medicinal and then becomes deep, woody and a bit sweet. I think it's been relaunched and probably reformulated but much nicer than the softer masculines he normally wears. He's also fallen for Guerlain's L'Eau Boisee, which I love on him too. This is turning into a family obsession, my 21 mth old DS came up to me earlier with his little wrist outstretched saying 'Mell! Mell!'

The M7 was in a sample bundle along with Hugo Boss Man- nice enough but generic and watery and Vera Wang Lovestruck Floral Wish. Now I think I have a fairly broad range of types of scent I like but this is awful. It smells like a hairdressers- shampoo, hairspray and something synthetic and chemically like perm lotion, yukky!

ProFumo Tue 12-Feb-13 15:38:50

What's up with Teint de Neige? On me it was a 12+ h sillage monster. In fact, so strong I couldn't sleep (this never happens). My sample came directly from the Villoresi HQ in Florence sometime last year.

On my 3rd 'fume today (EdCs are fleeting). Now wearing Prelude to Love By Kilian. Papery, cardboardy (=irisy) citrus - I even smell a realistic tea note (might come from the previous frags too). Quite delicate. So love starts with a cuppa and "Would you like to see my etchings"? grin
The opening smells fantastic - my fling with Kilian is getting really expensive ;)

Citrus chicken here.

Haber google woody oriental sampler and spicy oriental sampler, select the masculine alternatives, and try on some of the suggestions (some of the are mainstream and not difficult to sample for free). I was so surprised when I found the universe of eminently wearable mainstream masculines.

T&S love Estee Lauders. I like Knowing, but I associate most of them with slightly older women. They are skilfully made but slightly inhuman and daunting - to me they represent all these repressive impossible-to-fill expectations (Paulina Porizkova's bone structure sweating rose petals, menstruating blue water, with Barbie's hair and legs smooth in perpetuum). In fact, I think Tom Ford is EL to my generation (owned by the same company) - still physically perfect, but genderblending, sex, secretions and other naughty things are now allowed grin

Fuzzybirds Tue 12-Feb-13 15:52:04

Floral rush I mean!

shoeprincess2 Tue 12-Feb-13 16:10:35

Fuzzybirds- bless grin. My little boy asks for handcream, handwash, and likes to waft my powder brush over his face and put face cream on his cheeks. He's 2. He had very dry skin as a baby, but he has lovely skin now, so maybe his little fixation is paying off.

ProFumo- thanks for the chicken recipe. I've saved to favourites as I think I'll make it this weekend.

Need to check out the By Killians. They have eluded me thus far (well, to be fair, I hadn't added them to my sampler list). Guerlain's L'eau boisee sounds interesting. I'm off to check it out on basenotes.

CointreauVersial Tue 12-Feb-13 16:31:08

Clb, very envy of your full bottle of Ninfeo Mio. It's one of the nicest I've sampled.

But I was very chuffed to find a 10ml decant of the discontinued L'Artisan Tea for Two at a good price on eBay, which arrived today. That should keep me going for a while!

Another rose day here - trying the sample of Frederic Malle Une Rose, sent to me by Niminy. Like others have mentioned, it falls squarely between the boiled, jammy Rose Vermeille, and the potpourri-spicy Rose Chypree. But sooo pretty for daytime; a winner for me.

clb Tue 12-Feb-13 17:31:08

It's the only FB I've got, Cointreau! Until provoked to try again by this thread, I don't think I'd worn perfume for about 20 years. I'd got very bored with Chanel No. 5 and didn't know perfumes out of the mainstream existed.

Slightly hoping to receive another FB from my parents, as a late birthday present. Have just sent them a list ;-)

clb Tue 12-Feb-13 17:32:12

Actually, this thread and the Guide :hat tip to Luca Turin and Tanya Sanchez:

niminypiminy Tue 12-Feb-13 18:48:35

CointreauVersial so pleased to hear you like Une Rose! smile

Tomorrow I'll be trying your sample of Timbuktu. But today it was so cold and grey and comfortless that I took refuge in Shalimar.

Haberdashery Tue 12-Feb-13 19:43:35

Thanks, Profumo. I always appreciate your tips. Talking of which, that chicken looks great!

ProFumo Tue 12-Feb-13 20:57:54

clb what a charming story - I'm so happy you've found a new perfume to love and yy to back-up list Hope you'll have happy moments with the your reawakened nose!

Well done Cointreau with Tea for Two and Une Rose.
And the communal spirit here is fantastic!

Hannah someone else here loves Dior Addict2 (not sure who).

Fuzzy your DH has great taste, M7 is really good!

You ladies are a bad influence grin My must-try list is getting longer too. I actually ordered new samples (a friend has been praising and I'm curious about Slumberhouse).

Turin/Sanchez is great. I like the essays in the beginning and their must-smell lists. Really recommended for anyone curious about perfume - it's a great intriduction to anyone new to quality perfume. I keep my Kindle version on my phone.

The soft neroli of Prelude to Love is very tenacious (unlike the colognes I wore earlier today). Another quality juice. May need a decant grin

Haberdashery Tue 12-Feb-13 21:15:45

Fireside Intense this evening. I need the illusion of crackling flames! It's so cold out there.

Literally the only thing wrong with Zeta in my world is that it doesn't last long enough. It kept me very happy this morning but by lunchtime was nearly gone apart from a lingering lick of honey.

YouOldSlag Tue 12-Feb-13 21:17:57

I tried Penhaligon's LP No 9 yesterday and hated it. There was a note in it that I also found in Ghost Sweetheart that I found really unpleasant. It's like fluffy, cloying synthetic oriental vanilla or something.

I checked the notes of both fragrances and can't see any I don't know that might be creating this jarring note. I had to wash them both off within an hour of trying.

oh and ProFumo- talking of bad influences, now that you've pointed me towards hesperides my wish list has gone orbital! I need to calm down!

Haberdashery Tue 12-Feb-13 21:27:30

I've never found a Penhaligon's perfume that I really like. I genuinely think they sell them purely on the strength of the gorgeous bottles.

ProFumo Tue 12-Feb-13 21:56:04

There are a couple of masculine Penhaligons I quite like - Opus and Sartorial for example. Not sure about the feminines, although I found Violetta (???) oddly enticing the other day. Overall, even the masculines are perhaps a tad too restrained and civilized on me. If I'd have to pick a British house, it would be Grossmith. Heeley (Yorkshire goes to Paris) is understated and stylish too.

MmeSlag you are very lucky - some of the best hesperides are very cheap - you can buy them by the litre and still have change in your pocket. But yes, I'm very sorry, I may have added some to your list grin When you get tired of fresh, let me know - your dusty-patchouli-loving id subconscious may need some attention too...

I'm in real trouble - have ordered more By Kilian samples shock I find his first collection really well-rounded (but only try them if you can handle very sweet perfumes). There is a bit of everything, different moods, and good raw materials shine. Have almost gotten past the awful names...

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Tue 12-Feb-13 22:23:46

Just tolet you know, the Perfume Parlour smellalike for Virgin Island Water doesn't. sad

ProFumo Wed 13-Feb-13 08:10:17

One of the many reasons why I'm not a fan of knockoffs. Lots if Creed decants on Crystal flacon. Thank Good, a good source of By Kilian there too - else I'd risk going bankrupt grin

Today wearing A Taste of Heaven. A fougere with a twist, green absinthe.
Fougeres are the archetypical old man masculine group. They are built around the Holy Trinity of lavender, coumarin (sweet, vanillic-nutty substance derived from tonka beans - would taste great in a creme brulee) and oakmoss (earthy florest floor scent also found in chypres). The cheap but great super-classics most of us recognize from our childhood (everyone has had a father, uncle, brother or boyfriend who wore them) are Paco Rabanne Pour Homme and Azzaro Pour Homme. Next time you go perfume shopping, step to the men's side and try either one on a strip. This is one of the easiest perfume categories to recognize and a huge class. Later, you'll rerecognize perfumes belonging to this group on countless men (these days, especially on older men) and can feel smug and think "fougère" instead a more vague "um, smells quite manly".

As a woman, wearing a fougere feels what wearing trousers in the 1920s or le smoking (with nothing underneath) must have felt in the 1970s. It's the ultimate forbidden fragrance group, you are crossing boundaries and defying stereotypes - only do this on a good hair and possibly pair with red lipstick smile Easy ones to wear are 1725 Casanova by HdP (it exudes sexy self-confidence and irony). By Kilian's offering is great too. It's funny how fougeres became so macho - lavender can be very old lady, tonka is edible goodness and women have worn oakmoss for a long time in chypres. But yes, go on, try a fougere! Even if you won't ever wear one, this is a good group to know while buying gifts for the men in your life. Or snubbing orange ladies at the counters - say 'I'm looking for an aromatic fougere' (roll the r's wink) and they'll either back off or engage in a meaningful discussion grin

ProFumo Wed 13-Feb-13 08:23:40

A public service announcement - fantastic and reliable German-based Crystal Flaconer here. He has an extensive catalogue. I (and many friends) warmly recommend him. How it works? Email him to confirm availability, then paypal to his e-mail address the agreed sum and start waiting for the parcel. His packaging and labeling are high quality too.

Fuzzybirds Wed 13-Feb-13 10:21:31

LetsFace and ProFumo I'm not averse to the odd knock off grin

I've got a few perfume parlour oils and they are quite hit or miss. They need to be left to settle and warm up on the skin for a good half hour before the true fragrance emerges, I find. Staying power is excellent though! I think they are ok for those scents you like, but don't LOVE.

As Profumo says, decants are great, or you can look for partial or mini bottles on ebay.

I love bargain hunting and there are many inexpensive fragrances out there that get good reviews. Just ordered a bottle of Yardley's Iris on the basis of a review from Perfume Shrine's blog. It cost just over a fiver!

CointreauVersial Wed 13-Feb-13 13:23:27

Ooh yes, I already have Gerald on my "list"; it's good to know he is recommended.

Testing out my decant of Tea for Two today, in case they sent me coloured water. Nope....tis the real smoky-spicy deal. I have spoiled the effect somewhat by plastering on some L'Occitane Lavender handcream. Both smell nice, but methinks not together.

IsabelleRinging Wed 13-Feb-13 13:44:27

If you are at all interested in copies try this company here. MIL gave me a bottle of their "Story of Flower" which is a blatant copy of Kenzo Flower. It's utterly vile, but I don't even care for the original so it could just be me.

I am trying Cuir de Russie today. The leather is perhaps more dominant that I thought it might be, and it is quite an animalic sort of leather (which of course, it can't be anything else), rather it is more raw and barn-yardy than say the leather in Tom Ford's Tuscan leather, it's not a new handbag sort of leather, it's more a horse's saddle.
I am enjoying it, I think, could be grower, the floral aspects are very elegant and it has good staying power so far.

scarletsalt Wed 13-Feb-13 14:10:13

So my first ever Les Senteurs samples are on their way to me! Exciting! Can I just ask for a few tips when trying perfume? Should you smell out of the bottle first or put it straight onto your skin? From the little sample vials, should you put some on your finger and dab on, or just pour on whilst holding the vial against your skin? I have also heard that you should never spray perfume onto one wrist and then rub them together?

I was in boots today just picking up a few bits and wandered over to the fragrance section. Just reading this thread has really encouraged me to try some perfumes that I never would have tried before (because I perhaps have thought they are not modern enough?).

I tried the original Miss Dior, which I thought was horrible! Does anyone know what the notes are in this so I know to avoid?! However, I also tried Pure Poison which I quite liked and also Opium which I was quite surprised that I really liked (I always think of it as very 70s/80s and always assumed that I wouldnt like it). But I am really glad that I am open to trying some more different scents.

Funnily I used to love Flower by Kenzo and used a whole bottle of it in my youth, but I accidentally sprayed a load on my hand earlier in boots, and I didnt like it at all.

I really need to start writing down some stuff, both from this thread, but also then what I smell when I am in the shops!

IsabelleRinging Wed 13-Feb-13 14:32:09

Hi scarlet, what did you order from Les Senteurs? I got my first order from them last week. The bottles come with a little dabber inside, so if you just want to try a little bit you can use this. I like a bit more so i dropped on a little bit form the bottle then spread it around with my fingers. It would be so much easier if they supplied them in little spray sample bottles wouldn't it?

I use to keep a track of my fragrances. You can create an account there and add the fragrances that you have had/have/want/like etc to your wardrobe, and if you click on the notes you can keep a little shelf of ones to try and add notes about each one. It's really useful as it's very pictorial and you can see what your perfumes look like, not just a written list. So easy.

I always spray on tester cards first to see if like enough to be bothered trying on skin. Will try Pure Poison this afternoon, Turin/Sanchez give it a good write up!

florascotia Wed 13-Feb-13 14:45:20

Weather here today is absolutely foul - heavy sleet and howling winds and low, glowering grey sky.
So I am wearing big quilted coat indoors, and the the warmest, spiciest scent I own - Coriandre.
In fact, unless you count Nuit de Noel, it's my ONLY 'warm' perfume. I think I might detect a gap to be filled grin

Hope other Perfumistas are enjoying better weather, but, I wonder, does anyone have favourite smells for keeping out the cold? Am not keen on peach/pear/berry/syrup but I DO rather like incense ...

scarletsalt Wed 13-Feb-13 15:29:17

Hi Isabelle, I ordered 4 samples: Eau d'hadrien, carnal flower and then Orange Star and Bigarade Concentree. The only unisex perfume I have ever smelt before is CK One, so am interested to see what the last two smell like. I really like Orange/citrussy smells, but want to see what these smell like combined with all the other notes as well.

Oh dear, I can see myself spending rather too much time on the 'fragrantica' website as well....

Fuzzybirds Wed 13-Feb-13 16:42:22

Isabelle, Cuir de Russie sounds gorgeous. I used to ride (long time ago now!) and loved the smell of the tack room- saddles, leather soap, horses, straw and sweat. Would love to own a perfume that smells like that!

Scarlet, I normally wipe the stick on my wrist and if the scent seems weak I keep dabbing more with my fingers. I went through a bottle of Miss Dior in my 20s- bought blind due to a good deal but then discovered I didn't like it much! I persevered though and ended up liking it, especially as a work perfume as it made me feel efficient in a kind of 1950s prim secretary kind of way.

Flora, I find ambery, vanilla based scents are very warming. Ambre Extreme is my favourite, but love Coco or Samsara on nasty days too.

Thanks to cardoon, I have a wee dab of Lipstick Rose on one arm and Teint de Neige on the other grin I think it's safe to say I'm a powder lover. I love both but just a tiny spray of Teint de Neige is taking over everything! Will have to try Lipstick Rose alone tomorrow and give it the space it deserves.

florascotia Wed 13-Feb-13 16:51:42

Hi Scarlet - Sorry if this puts further temptation in your way wink, but next time you're looking at 'fragrantica', you might like to see what the contributors there say about Eaux de Caron Fraiche. That's another bright lemony cologne, with a floral, faintly musky finish. I love it - but IMO it's far too fresh and crisp to wear on a day like this. Brrrr! For me, it's a spring and summer scent only.

Another question for Perfumistas. I have just remembered that, years ago and far away, one of our lecturers came into the common room smelling quite wonderfully of spring, with a strong waft of daffodils. She said that her DH had been to Paris for work, gone to xxxx perfumery [alas! I forget the name] and brought her this lovely perfume. Do any wise ones among you know what it might have been? I can still recall the happy reaction the scent created, and would love to know its name. Though, sadly, I suppose that it may have been discontinued by now...

Going by current perfume names alone, it might have been Caron's Narcisse Blanc, I suppose. I have never smelled that - has anyone else? It's not easy to get a sample.

florascotia Wed 13-Feb-13 16:56:47

thanks Fuzzy. Very kind. Have not tried Coco or Ambre Extreme, so will have a go. Have not smelled Samsara for ages; was not keen when younger, but tastes change as we get older (sigh!) , so I will give it another try.

CointreauVersial Wed 13-Feb-13 17:41:48

Isabelle - I found Cuir de Russie quite underwhelming; to me it smelt just like Imperial Leather soap. Not unpleasant, but nowhere near as nice as I expected.

IsabelleRinging Wed 13-Feb-13 18:24:35

I think it probably does have a touch of Imperial Leather about it Cointreau grin, but more leathery than the soap.

Popped into the local Boots store this afternoon, tried Pure Poison, and I am pleasantly surprised, it is a white floral with a twist, it's not fresh like most, it's very smooth smelling and I can't really describe it but it smells sort of round and I would say radiant, it almost seems to be vibrating in a way. It's sweet in the way a gardenia smells sweet, and also warm, probably due to the amber and vanilla. It also seems to have some power to it and it's lasting well.

While at the Dior counter I also tried Dune, this is something I have always seen, but never really thought of smelling before. I expected it to be a sweet suntan lotion type fragrance due to the packaging, but it's not at all. It's actually quite a fresh, warm, orangey, floral amber, not hugely feminine. It has a little similarity with Eau de Merveilles to me.

harbinger Wed 13-Feb-13 19:24:07

HELP, I seem to be a split person - perfume wise blush
I was on this thread well before Christmas and it's only now that the penny has dropped shock
These are my past crimes:
Tresor (no),Hypnose(yes),Opium(yes),Byzance(yes,yes,yes),Angel(yes but have only had body/hand lotion dread to think of the perfume sillage).

My current interests:
Lolita Lempicka L,Eau de minuit,L'eau en blanc
Ambar J del pozo
L'instant, Samsara Guerlain
Artemesia, Malabah Penhaligon's
Cabochard Gres in all forms (new/old/EdT/EdP)

I want to order:
Sweet Redemption Kilian
Seville a l'aube L'artisan
Carnal Flower Malle
Etat libre d'orange and
L'Heure blueu perhaps

So I want sweet ones but also would like and want a lighter orange/floral.
It looks as if I never wear perfume in the summer,doesn't it confused

coffeeinbed Wed 13-Feb-13 19:28:15

Isabelle, have you tried Bobbi Brown Beach?
it's very suntan-y with some jasmine.

IsabelleRinging Wed 13-Feb-13 19:46:14

Thanks Coffee, I haven't tried Beach, will look out for it. I wasn't looking for a suntan lotiony smell, was just sniffing Dune out of idle curiosity and was surprised (quite pleasantly). I think the best suntan Lotion smell though has to be Bronze goddess from Estee Lauder! It transports you straight back to a sunny holiday every time you smell it. Coconutty, ambery, gardenia ...mmmmmmmmmmmmm... (I think this one of Tom Fords while he worked for Estee Lauder).

harbinger Wed 13-Feb-13 19:56:30

Does anybody know where I can get this very strange mix of samples from?
Post at 19.24

florascotia Wed 13-Feb-13 20:20:40

Hi Harbinger - I can't speak for many of the scents you list, and we all smell things differently, but, IMO, L'Heure Bleue is neither sweet nor orange. It is aniseedy, smoky, soft, cool-and-warm-floral (roses, iris) powdery, clovey, incensey... But of course other people may disagree.

For your list, have you tried 'surrender to chance' on the internet? They have a very wide range.

Hi Isabelle. Gosh - I sound horrid here - but Dune is one of my least-favourite smells ever. I don't know why I dislike it. Does Dune have any special note? Can others help here?

florascotia Wed 13-Feb-13 20:22:27

Hi Isabelle - just to say that we all like different smells. Re Dune, I really did not mean to be offensive.

harbinger Wed 13-Feb-13 20:40:53

Hi FloraScot - I had an order from Les Senteurs back a while. Surrender to Chance is the US one? Not prepared to deal with their customs.

harbinger Wed 13-Feb-13 20:43:16

Whoop -Flora, can I smell/find L'Huere Bleue in a mainstream store?

IsabelleRinging Wed 13-Feb-13 20:54:09

Definitely no offence taken Flora, Dune has a lot of orange I think, or at least it does to my nose, also I can smell a lot of amber and some sandalwood, and some florals, but I am not really good at distinguishng them unless they are obvious so not sure.

You can sample L'Heure Bleu in most department stores with a Guerlain counter, I know John Lewis stock it, and it is a soft powdery radiant oriental floral, no orange.

ProFumo Wed 13-Feb-13 21:09:08

Long day - whew - keep up the good work ladies!

Harbinger before the crazy mail restrictions you would have been able to get everything from Surrender to Chance in the US.
Now it's harder. In Paris, you could sample all during a brief afternoon walk. UK-based people, would bigger department stores carry all of these?

You can find By Kilians occasinally on eBay plus sample sets from his site and from Alla Violetta who also carry Malle and L'Artisan. Les Senteurs have ELdO and Malle. L'heure bleue is mainstream, bigger department stores and big duty frees sell it. If you have a lot of patience, you may find what you need on Crystal Flacon.

florascotia Wed 13-Feb-13 21:09:12

Hi Harbinger - I have not ordered often from surrender to chance, but - in my experience - if you order only a few samples from them, customs do not interfere. The package just arrives in the post, like any other. I don't know what problems - if any - other Perfumistas have had with customs charges/taxes. Maybe they can help you here.

As Isablle says, L'Heure Bleue is widely available in department stores. John Lewis usually have a good range of Guerlains, male and female. And kindly let customers spray freely ...

If you order from anywhere in the EU, customs/vat do not apply. ProFumo and others are experts here. They will know more European sample sources than I do. I have ordered samples online from Alla Violetta in Italy, and they arrived safely, with no problem. (Beautifully packaged, and with freebies. )

Thanks Isablle, for your understanding thanks

IsabelleRinging Wed 13-Feb-13 21:22:09

By Killians are stocked in Harvey Nicks in Manchester if that is any help.

ProFumo Wed 13-Feb-13 21:23:17

For a small sample order from the US, import taxes are a nonissue and often waived altogether. Lots of advice on Vol 1 and Vol 2.
But many sellers abroad avoid shipping to certain countries.

Wearing Tea for Two to bed right now. Feeling charbroiled grin

florascotia Wed 13-Feb-13 21:25:56

very sorry all blush
I was forgetting recent restrictions. Does anyone have experience of how they are actually enforced right now? From what I remember, there was some discussion of the topic on this discussion forum or previous one, but I cannot for the life of me remember what happened. My last orders from surrender and allavioletta were only just before Christmas. No charges for either. But it all may be different now.

I sometimes order other things from USA - eg from sierratradingpost (western mega-outlet, with good Canadian stylish but practical winter footwear) and even from LLBean (preppie, I know, but for DH to wear and very long-lasting ). I find that even if I have to pay import duties/vat, the difference between the dollar/pound sort of compensates. The procedure for either is quite simple. If Post Office is handling package, they leave a note with instructions of how to pay (can be done on line). If DHL or other courier company, the helpful local van drivers tend to phone me in advance, asking me to have a cheque ready to give them.
All that refers to orders worth say £100 or more. It means any handling charges imposed by Post Office/Couriers seem fairly innocuous in comparison. But if I had to pay (say)£ 10 or more for the 'handling' of say £ 10 worth of samples, that would obviously not be fair or practicable. A problem ...

clb Wed 13-Feb-13 21:28:16

Yes, I think you'd be able to try all of these in central London, harbinger.

By Kilian is sold at Harvey Nicks and then you could go across the Park to Selfridges for Guerlain and L'Artisan and around the corner to Les Senteurs for Malle + Etat Libre d'Orange.

Of course, if you're not in London that's a fat lot of use - but perhaps worth calling them?

florascotia Wed 13-Feb-13 21:28:45

Cross-post, ProFumo. Sorry!

clb Wed 13-Feb-13 21:30:02

I had an order from StC a week or so ago, just before the shipping charges went up massively, but it was only 2 samples so didn't attract duty.

ProFumo Wed 13-Feb-13 21:30:03

Flora I'm happy Alla Violetta was a good experience. They are my favorite source for samples. Good packaging and labeling, generous spray samples, lovely extras, and quick and safe delivery. Warmly recommended. And their catalogue is so extensive and nicely curated that by the time you've sampled a quarter of their offerings, you are already a leading expert.

Parfümeria Neroli in Hungary (within EU) also lovely and very cheap.

florascotia Wed 13-Feb-13 21:32:53

Yes, AllaVioletta made everything seem so luxurious. At the time I ordered , I was not well and their sense of cherishing was really, really welcome.

ProFumo Wed 13-Feb-13 21:40:05

Flora you are ready to graduate to the next level - full bottle shopping at Place Vendome Haute Parfumerie in Belgium. Orders & inquiries by email, payment via bank transfer, word of mouth catalogue - but once you get your order <heaven on earth>

Courtesy of another forum, what they carry:
Chanel (+Les Exclusifs)
Cartier (+Les Heures de Parfum)
Guerlain (+ Maison Guerlain exclusives)
Annick Goutal
Parfumerie Générale
Robert Piguet
Il Profvmo
Les Parfums de Rosine
La Prairie
Atelier Cologne
Parfum d’Empire
Arty Fragrance by Elisabeth de Feydeau
Nicolas de Barry
Maître Parfumeur et Gantier ( from February on)

florascotia Wed 13-Feb-13 21:47:23

Wow, thanks thanks thanks ProFumo!

It all sounds wonderful. I shall start saving now....

CointreauVersial Wed 13-Feb-13 22:07:17

I've had three recent deliveries from S to C, but just samples, so they dropped through the letter box with no requests for duty. Unfortunately the new postage rates have put me off future orders.

ProFumo Thu 14-Feb-13 06:21:46

Basking in the lovely milky-sweet afterglow of Tea for Two worn overnight. Another fantastic Olivia Giacobetti.
Might actually do a miniseries of her perfumes - only one Kilian left (and the new order hasn't arrived yet).

ProFumo Thu 14-Feb-13 06:27:32

A good Olivia Giacobetti interview here.

gatheringlilac Thu 14-Feb-13 07:06:06

What a wonderful interview: completely un-shy of the processes of creativity and fascinating and inspiring as a result. Thank you for that, ProFumo.

Please do a mini-series on OG ( smile ), I think she may be my favourite "nose" (a little Britishly, I flinch from seeming too OTT). In fact, I think I'm a bit of an OG groupie.

(By the way, although I mainly lurk on here, I love reading this thread in odd moments. It's a real spirit lifter. Much love to you gals.)

clb Thu 14-Feb-13 08:32:27

SL Fleurs d'Oranger last night - huge white floral (plenty of jasmine + tuberose as well as the orange blossom) still lingering a little this morning. Really enjoyable and got a huge smile and a "you smell delicious" from DH. I couldn't get the cumin that's supposed to be in there too but will try applying again this morning now that I'm fully awake.

Oh, and it's from a Les Senteurs sample, in case that's helpful to anyone.

ProFumo Thu 14-Feb-13 08:51:31

Lilac another OG groupie here grin
Have you tried the natural Honore des Pres line?
They are very girly, not as quirky as her more serious work, but an easy port-of-entry to people new to perfume. I have a sample of Love les carottes somewhere and quite like it.

One of the big reasons why I like L'Artisan a lot is that they have a so many stunning OGs. The opening of Tea for Two somehow reminds me of Tom Ford's Tobacco Vanille. A similar autumnal feel of dead leaves and warmth. Side by side, TV is much sweeter and boozier, a heavy hitter, shawl-like, almost suffocating. TfT is gauzier, more tannic and down-to-earth. A bit like brother and sister smile

Clb fantastic fragrance. Happy DH is on board too grin

coffeeinbed Thu 14-Feb-13 09:21:39

Isabelle when you try Beach go for the oil.
The other versions can be a bit harsh, the oil always gets "oh, you smell lovely , it reminds me of something!" response.

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance Thu 14-Feb-13 12:39:35

Isabelle If you want a holiday smell, Creed's Virgin Island Water is it. John Lewis stock it. For me, it's happiness in a bottle and it smells utterly gorgeous on. Two of my friends bought a bottle as they liked it on me, but it smelled yuck on them - so definitely try before you buy. It develops beautifully through the day.

CointreauVersial Thu 14-Feb-13 12:55:17

Pro Fumo, I like the fact that Tea for Two stays with you all day; you get little smoky wafts right until the evening.

I am wearing Fat Electrician at work today (I work for an electrical engineering company, so quite a few electricians around, though mostly slimline). Coincidentally, while chatting in the kitchen with a couple of colleagues, the subject of fragrance came up. Well, of course I had to share! I sent a few of them the link to the ELdO website, and there was much oohing and aahing (and giggling) at the names and descriptions. Someone asked me how on earth I'd stumbled upon it, but I kept that one to myself....wink

ProFumo Thu 14-Feb-13 13:14:16

Cointreau I'm almost certain you will receive a group gift of Putain des Palaces or Vraie Blonde (have you seen the logos) from your darling coworkers grin

When I ordered the ELdO box of samples, they were accidentally delivered to my summer address, c/o my elderly aunts. The samples look like condom wrappers and have those - ahem - interesting drawings on them. Still mortified blush

ProFumo Thu 14-Feb-13 13:25:48

If anyone prefers more discreet (and cheap!) ELdO samples, try here. 700 HUF = 2 GBP each. Recommended seller.

IsabelleRinging Thu 14-Feb-13 14:37:37

Thanks for the tips everyone.

Wearing Iris Nobile, on my second sample of this, may have to splash on a full bottle soon. keep respraying because the opening is my favourite stage of this scent.

florascotia Thu 14-Feb-13 15:24:42

Afternoon all! This is getting dangerous.... grin Have just splashed out on lots of lovely samples from Neroli in Hungary. As ProFumo says, ordering is easy - and the descriptions of each scent are most inviting. I can't wait for the package to arrive.

Fuzzybirds Thu 14-Feb-13 16:34:42

You ladies are making my 'to try' list grow again...I have a big summer shaped gap in my collection, a citrus or beachy type scent would fit nicely.

Trying Lipstick Rose today- I love the opening but it's not lasting as long as I would like. It's faded to a faint scented plastic baby doll head type smell now, nice enough but not sure if I would splash out on a FB...maybe a decant at some point.

Harbinger I am also a bit split when it comes my perfume loves, to tell the truth, there is not one group of fragrances I dislike. There is only one perfume I've found so far I can't wear and that's more to do with it being someone else's 'signature' so I associate it with being the smell of them.

You're so right Flora, this is one of the most addictive and expensive hobbies I've ever had! At least my nearest and dearest will know what to get me for Christmas this year though...

ProFumo Thu 14-Feb-13 17:14:25

Fellow addicts ladies, stick to samples and decants and swap a lot! This way this hobby won't bankrupt you. Also take advantage of possibilities to sample for free - I often make a quick detour to a shop tester on my way to something different and raid duty frees at airports. If you live near another perfumista, you can split orders (to save on p&p), sample sets and even FBs (decanting supplies on eBay). I go to meetups every now and then (perfumistas are such smart, funny, interesting people). Many make small samples for friends from their new bottles - and many of you have already tried mail swaps (or what we call 'Secret Perfume Friend' - someone just sends you surprises to cheer you up).

As an addict, you are also a sought-after customer. Forge a relationship with a SA - you'll get lots of interesting samples. Talk to them. Many SAs know nothing, but those who do will tell you interesting things.

Flora, well done - that was quick grin. I've such exquisite things from Neroli - they have some hard-to-source things. Hope you will have some great moments with new perfumes.

Fuzzy most people have much broader tastes than what they think. Feminine mainstream is just so distorted and limited - very few good woody, spicy and green options and chypres almost gone.

ProFumo Thu 14-Feb-13 17:40:29

Inspiration for all rose perfume lovers here.
Happy Valentine's Day everyone!

Haberdashery Thu 14-Feb-13 20:37:47

This is all getting rather expensive. I really NEED full bottles of L'Air du Desert, Eau d'Epices, Zeta and Knize Ten.

Happy Valentine's Day!

niminypiminy Thu 14-Feb-13 20:47:08

I've been wearing Rose Chypree today -- I like it, particularly in the first couple of hours, when it's a haunting, rather melancholy rose. I had a bath earlier and washed it off, and am now wearing Après L'Ondee, which is similarly poignant.

I liked Timbuktu a lot. Very incensey - although I kind of feel a bit incensed out now as I went to a church last night and there were absolute clouds of incense. Hence my yen for florals today.

CointreauVersial Thu 14-Feb-13 22:59:30

Glad you liked the Timbuktu, Niminy. I honestly couldn't smell anything when I tried it! Rose Chypree I love, though.

ProFumo Fri 15-Feb-13 08:05:47

Haber it's difficult to resist Tauer's beautiful bottles but if you need a decant to tide you over until the next birtday/Christmas, Gerald on Crystal Flacon has all of your favorite Tauers.

Some my loveliest samples are gifts from perfumista friends.
One of them is Encens Mythique d'Orient from Guerlain's boutique line (they are a bit elusive, Place Vendome Haute Parfumerie in Belgium is a good source). They say this has real ambergris tincture - it smells rich, decadent and seamless like a couture gown. Rose, a smattering of spices, lots of animalic skin and the odd furl of incense woven together. A plush flying carpet of oriental fantasies. This is not a bold modern churchy incense - the perfume is thick with wonderful materials.

Thierry Wasser, the new(ish) in-house perfumer at Guerlain looks like Lucifer but may be one of the best patisserie chefs in perfumery. If you like sweet, rich, heady and oriental, you'll need to know his name. Anyone can sample his work testing the three new Shalimar flankers and La Petite Robe Noire. He's also created Diesel Fuel for Life for Her that looks cheap but smells much better than you'd expect. I love his boutique perfumes - L'art et la matiere series for example. He has a magic touch with gourmands - he tends to add a bit of herby edge to keep the composition balanced. Good winter perfumes - comforting but stylish.

niminypiminy Fri 15-Feb-13 09:39:14

It's funny isn't it how some scents disappear on one person and smell strongly on another? Every review I've ever read of Samsara suggests that it's an overpowering monster, but on me it stays close to the skin and is actually quite a subtle scent. (Or else I have no sense of smell, which may be the case, who knows?)

florascotia Fri 15-Feb-13 10:00:29

Brilliant sunshine today, but still v cold wind, so what to wear? I came across a sample of Dorissma's 'Narziss' that I forgot I had (I got it from Scent and Sensibility - they are quite generous with sample sizes, and in mini spray containers). Hard to say what it smells of. Thyme and/or tarragon? Yes. Cedar and pencil-shavings? Yes. Something else, I know not what. Faintly burnt-sweet, after a while, but no flowers (IMO) whatsoever. Interesting, if not heart-stopping, and certainly very bracing. Really a man's scent, I think, but somehow suitable if one is feeling brisk or assertive . (Gender stereotypes, moi??)

Many thanks for yesterday's good wishes, Perfumistas!

Fuzzybirds Fri 15-Feb-13 10:06:18

Morning ladies, I have a sillage monster on today- Teint de Neige (thank you Cardoon!) this ticks two big boxes for me- strong (very) and powdery (very.)

The penny pinching voice in my head is telling me I could get a similar effect by combining any number of Johnson's/ Pampers products but....I can't help but love it. Something very sweet and floral is coming through now. <Adds to massive wishlist>

I scored a bargain on ebay this morning, three partial Dior minis for £5. Happy Fuzzy grin

florascotia Fri 15-Feb-13 10:27:07

PS re Narziss. I take back what I said about no flowers. Now, after a couple of hours or so, I am suddenly smelling rather refined roses on top of the dry woodiness. Herbs are still definitely there, but less prominent. The extra layer makes it somewhat more appealing.

ProFumo Fri 15-Feb-13 10:27:35

Flora Narziss is on my to-smell list.
Ever since getting to smell the Monique Remy/IFF narcisse absolute I've been obsessed with anything even theoretically including it. Intriguing note and intriguing raw material.

Loving your frags today ladies!

CointreauVersial Fri 15-Feb-13 16:45:39

I popped into a branch of Lush today to have a sniff of some of the Gorilla perfumes. Honestly, that shop is so heavily fragrant my poor nose waved a white flag after about 30 seconds, and I had to retire to Costa with some samples sprayed onto cards to make my choice.

I ended up buying a small bottle of The Sun (new, I think), which is lovely zesty orange (for you citrus lovers out there). A hint of sandalwood too. It will be a nice everyday summer one, I think.

I also sampled Breath of God, but found it harsh and unpleasant; a chemical cacophony. Vanillary had too much jasmine going on (one of my dislikes).

pocketandsweet Fri 15-Feb-13 16:56:44

Does anyone know where I can get decent sized ( maybe 10 ml) of Premier Figiuer Extreme? I would like a fb but don't think I can extend to it financially.

ProFumo Fri 15-Feb-13 17:17:50

Every now and then I check in on mainstream (=our local Sephora), hoping to find something worth sampling. Usually this doesn't work.
But when it does, the surprise is very pleasant.
I held seven different strips in my hand, trying to find something interesting enough to try on skin.
Suddenly I smelled a delicious green rose.
Could it be that the insipid Calvin Kleins had a hidden heartnote?

It was Un Jardin sur le Toit by Hermes. Something that I had sniffed in passing and written off as the weak link in the series (it is not easy to get excited about pear and apple notes).
But forget pear and forget apple. Forget coy and shy.
This is a jewel-like rose perfume partially hidden among sharp green notes.
Like good old Aromatic Elixir after a facelift, total body tuck and possibly some more work grin
Speaking with the ringing voice of a boy soprano.
Perfect for a mellow spring day.

YouOldSlag Fri 15-Feb-13 17:58:41

ProFumo- you have a lovely way with words, quite lyrical!

I'm wearing Cuir Mauresque today and although I don't think I'll buy a full bottle, I love how it keeps changing. Just when I think I've got it labelled, it turns into something else. I like that in a perfume.

I'm utterly intrigued by it.

florascotia Fri 15-Feb-13 19:41:18

Going, going.... Narziss has lasted all day but is fading fast. After the rose came - and went - there was sweet wood and a cool fuzziness, perhaps smoke, or iris? Now there's just a pleasant but rather general perfumey smell.

ProFumo - It may be just me, but I have smelt nothing narcissus-like in Narziss so far. Perhaps the name refers to the myth?? confused I don't know....

Slag - I do agree that it's fascinating how sents change.

florascotia Fri 15-Feb-13 20:02:02


It seems that two of the Dorissima perfumes, Narziss and Goldmund, are named after Herman Hesse's novel of the same title.


I have not read it, so can't say any more...

ProFumo Fri 15-Feb-13 20:16:20

Yep, gotcha Flora! I actually read that novel as a teen (it was a rite of passage - we thought it was so deep grin).

Narcisse absolute has nothing to do with those banal, slightly acrid-smelling Easter flowers in my mother's garden and gas stations everywhere. To quote Osmoz, it's simultaneously green, fatty, floral and animalic - my favorite smells bundled together grin
It's a distant relative of tuberose - but to me, cooler, leaner, meaner and much harder to source. A great article about narcisse here. I'm still looking for a great narcissus soliflore.

ProFumo Fri 15-Feb-13 21:00:27

<theorizing about perfume briefly interrupted by a child with diarrhea. TMI, sorry>
Oh and MmeSlag, your taste in perfume is truly bipolar! Do not take this as an insult: you like some of the most classic and elegant perfumes ever made - clean and clear classic colognes, the proto-unisexes - and then a whiplash of leather and spice - Cuir Mauresque! A stunning perfume, but not one of those crowd-pleasing pink juices for little girls grin One of the brawniest perfumes I know - whoa, hats off! (Talk to Haber. Knize 10 may or may not be your thing. And you definitely also need to explore some worm-eaten buried-in-the-cellar-and-mummified patchoulis and ouds. Leather Oud and Patchouli Imperial by Dior for example. The darkest Le Labos too.)

YouOldSlag Fri 15-Feb-13 21:20:39

Why thank you ProFumo.

Cuir Mauresque is taking me for a ride today. It started as joss sticks, then it went a bit Tabac Blond, then it went inexplicably floral for a bit (dried up rose petals of all things) and then calmed down to a powdery soft patchouli.

I love it when a perfume has "moods".

Fuzzybirds Fri 15-Feb-13 21:35:54

Cointreau that is exactly the problem I have with Gorilla perfumes- not so long ago I went into Lush to sample a few, but there is too much nasal stimuli going on in there to smell properly. Such a shame as many of their perfumes get a good write up and I love the variety of sizes.

So loving the Teint de Neige today, any ideas where I can get a decant? Failing that, a FB will be on my birthday list (only 7 months to go!)

I am curious as to whether any Perfumistas have a 'guilty pleasure'- the fragrance equivalent of listening to an old Steps or S Club CD. Mine is Lacoste Dream of Pink- have had a bottle for a few years now and down to the last quarter. Great for when I need to be innocuous and inoffensive, last worn to DS1's preschool nativity play. I admit though that in my post DC non perfume wearing years, I often used it as a bathroom air freshener grin

C'mon folks, fess up!

YouOldSlag Fri 15-Feb-13 21:55:24

My guilty pleasure is Hilary Duff With Love. It's all mango and pipe smoke and a bit manly. Not at all what I was expecting.

CointreauVersial Fri 15-Feb-13 22:07:13

Fuzzy, I have several Lacoste bottles in my collection, as DH works for the company (Procter & Gamble). I don't mind the odd "Touch of Pink" myself.

williaminajetfighter Fri 15-Feb-13 22:13:40

Guilty pleasure= Love's Babysoft! Bought a bottle a few years ago and just spraying it takes me back to a sunny day in 1979 listening to Supertramp and flicking my hair. I often wear it in weekends. Really!!

ProFumo Fri 15-Feb-13 22:15:15

Deseo by J Lo. grin

Lush really isn't my thing. Yes, I like loud, but not that loud wink

You may find some TdN here.

Olivia Giacobetti theme continues with L'ete en douce.
Love the honeyed linden top note, but there is something off-kilter about this perfume.

Haberdashery Fri 15-Feb-13 22:27:43

Guilty pleasure used to be Anais Anais which a lot of people sneer at, until I discovered that it is quite highly rated by a lot of perfumistas. I've always adored it. My cheapie favourite at the moment is a thing called Grass from Gap. V cheap, v cheerful, does what it says on the tin and is basically olfactorily equivalent to emptying the lawnmower.

Honeyed linden sounds lovely, ProFumo, and I like OG so will look that one up.

florascotia Fri 15-Feb-13 22:32:27

Thanks ProFumo! Fascinating stuff...

I like the smell of those papery white narcissus flowers when they very first burst into bloom, but not coarse yellow daffodils. And they all, white or yellow, so quickly develop that rotten 'dirty-plant-water' undertone that Perfumistas have described recently.

At the moment our sitting room is reeking of white hyacinths - in pots. I think they look absolutely amazing, which is why I grow them. It's quite springlike to catch just a faint waft of the scent on the air as I walk past, but sit too close and it becomes overpowering.

Not exactly a guilty pleasure but when younger I used to like Diorissimo. I smelled it again the other day; now seems far too shrill and screechy. And I still have a soft spot for 'Joy'. That's hardly subtle, either.

I hope child with digestive upset will soon be better.

Fuzzybirds Sat 16-Feb-13 09:11:11

Loving all these guilty pleasures, will have to see if I can sniff some of them out over the weekend!

Haber until recently I thought of Cacharel as a cheap and cheerful brand but they seem quite highly rated by perfume lovers. I love Anais Anais too and have a soft spot for Loulou and Eden.

Cointreau I used to love 'Inspiration'...this is making me realise just how many bottles of perfume I went through in my twenties, scary!

Thank you Profumo for the link thanks

ProFumo Sat 16-Feb-13 09:48:58

No luck finding decants of Premier Figuier Extreme on Crystal Flacon.
Crystal Flacon is good for unisex and masculine fragrances and some classics, but they have few female sellers. Some 3ml glass pearls available on eBay (need to be resealed with sellotape or transferred to another container). Perhaps worth setting up a saved search there. There is also a Facebook Fragrance Friends group where it might be worthwhile to ask.

SOTD: Habit Rouge. This is the masculine counterpart of Shalimar, and to me, infinitely easier to wear. Light lemon-vanilla goodness with just a hint of leather and depth. The advantage of wearing the masculine "spouses" of classics is that the formulation is different enough that all stale mink stole associations are removed (I grew up surrounded by elderly ladies who doused themselves in Shalimar; they wore it and a full-length mink coat to shop at the fishmonger's wink).

shoeprincess2 Sat 16-Feb-13 10:14:56

Morning ladies! No scent on yet, but I think it is going to be TdN, after all the talk of it this week. So, I have placed an order of samples from ebay, as they were offering free delivery, so meant I could buy 5 for the same price of 4 from Les Senteurs. Anyway, I have on order:-
-Tuscan Leather (finally)
-Tobacco Vanille (another one finally)
-Musc Ravageur
-Ambre Nuit

Lots of wintery scents here, but I still have a list as long as my arm for sampling. I have added Cuir Mauresque to it YouOldSlag, as I love the idea of a multiple personality scent. Borneo 1834 is also on the list, as well as Bandit, Un Bois Vanille and Fleur Nocturne.

So, you have been talking about guilty pleasures. Mine is J Lo Glow and The Body Shop Love Etc, which has superb longevity and is lovely for a day in the office.

IsabelleRinging Sat 16-Feb-13 12:23:21

AHH the weekend at last!

Not wearing any perfume today yet, had a craving this morning for something sharp and green (maybe it was the winter sunshine) and as it's something I don't usually go for I didn't have anything in my perfume wardrobe that fitted the bill. The greenest thing I had was Cristalle eau Vert, and that felt just too summery for today, and Carnal Flower, which seemed too heady. Might have to invest in something like No19 for days like today, I'm not really familiar with green scents, can anyone suggest any others which I could try, something green and punchy, not summery though.

ProFumo Sat 16-Feb-13 13:13:21

Here are a few easy-to-find perfumes with a green feel: Ô de Lancôme, Ninfeo Mio (AG), Eau de Campagne (Sisley), Un Jardin sur le Toit (Hermes), Un Jardin sur le Nil (Hermes), L'Ombre dans l'Eau and Virgilio (Diptyque), AA Herba Fresca by Guerlain, Truth by Calvin Klein, Chanel N°19, particularly the EDT strength. Bel Respiro by Chanel is a mild light green cologne. This blog post is worth reading too.

I often look for fragrances with a green edge/ opening rather than a full-on grassy feel. The green heightens contrasts and is a mouthwatering opening to whatever follows. I even have a chocolatey gourmand with a strong green opening (Defile New York by HdP). Sound bizarre, like a pregnancy craving, but it works grin

Enjoying the heavenly drydown of Habit Rouge.

Viviennemary Sat 16-Feb-13 13:23:25

I've not heard of quite a few of these Profumo. Going out in a bit to the shops so have decided to have a spray of Estee Lauder Pleasures and perhaps go into M&S to try their Fleur d'orange which I think I read about on this thread.

But what I'd really love is an Annick Goutal. Even the bottle is lovely. So I think I'll hold on for a while and get one of those eventually. But it seems not many places stock it outside London. I was thinking about ordering some samples from Surrender to Chance. Is it still worth it with the postage charges and duty. They do quite a lot of the Annick Goutal.

IsabelleRinging Sat 16-Feb-13 13:46:32

Thanks profumo, heading out to shops now, so might have a sniff of some of those.

CointreauVersial Sat 16-Feb-13 17:46:41

Viviennemary - some branches of John Lewis and House of Fraser stock Annick Goutal; you don't have to be in London.

Viviennemary Sat 16-Feb-13 19:42:06

Thanks Cointreau. I didn't realise John Lewis stocked it. I'm not there very often but will certainly look next time I'm there. Tried Estee Lauder Pleasures. It was pleasant but a bit too 'nothing out of the ordinary', M & S didn't seem to have the Fleurs d'orange and there was nobody to ask. So not a great perfume searching day today!

scarletsalt Sat 16-Feb-13 20:13:04

Oooh, my first lot of Les Senteurs samples came today - it was a surprise as I wasnt expecting them for a few more days, and I didnt have to sign either.

I realised on smelling the samples out of the bottles, that I have no clue about any of the terms used to describe perfume so I can only describe the smells in my own words. I tried on Orange Star today, but my first impressions of the others are:
Eau d'hadrien - Loved the first smell of this, so fresh, cant wait to try it tomorrow.
Carnal Flower - it was ok, smelled floral but in a bit of a 'planty' way so am interested to see what this smells like on my skin.
Bigarade Concentree - liked this as well, nice and orangey but not in an obvious way.

And as I said I tried Orange Star today and....I quite liked it! I cant really describe the smell apart from the smell of erm, orange! I quite liked it when it first went on, and now I have had it on for several hours and I really like what it has turned into. However, ultimately it is a bit too masculine for me to ever wear as an actual scent although I would quite like to smell it on a man (DH said it smelled like granny perfume but he doesnt wear any fragrance himself and is used to quite fruity and sweet stuff on me).

Anyway, reading all that back I can see I have got an awful lot to learn when it comes to understanding perfume, my descriptions are atrocious, sorry about that! But am excited to try the rest of my samples now!

IsabelleRinging Sat 16-Feb-13 21:23:41

MMMM well... I did smell some of the green perfumes recommended, but after trying Ninfeo Mio and DH being absolutely repulsed by the smell of 'Tom Cat spray' as he so nicely put it, I failed to find one that fitted the bill. I like it, and it is VERY green, right to the end, whereas the others I tried have ended up just powdery or woody.

I tried Campagne, which was Ok, but not really anything special, and on the recommendation of the SA I tried Rose Splendide (AG) which is a fresh green rose. This would be lovely on a summers day when you need something light, feminine, but not what I was looking for today. I wanted something a bit more agressive. I also had a sniff of Sisley Eau du Soir, which was said to be an evening scent, the second time a SA has told me this, they must be trained to say it, as I would say it is an anytime chypre and is also very green, this was probably my favourite green of the day, but now back homw and reading 'The Guide' it is really slated, should this put me off?

While in HofF I also had a little test of Feminite du Bois, still love it, especially the dry down, and also another Serge Lutens, but now I can't remember if it was Un Lys or Al a Nuit? It was very nice and floral though, jasmine I think so probably the latter.

CointreauVersial Sat 16-Feb-13 22:20:15

Isabelle - have you tried Prescriptives Calyx? It's a lovely fresh green.

I tried the last of my Tauer samples today - Eau d'Epices - and it was another "meh" unfortunately. Funny that the first two Tauers I tried I absolutely adored, but since then I have had mixed opinions of the others I have tried. Orange Star and Reverie du Jardin made me actually nauseous.

On the other hand I have now sampled three of the ELdO line and loved all of them! Fat Electrician, Fils de Dieu and Tilda Swinton Like This are all officially on my "love" list.

florascotia Sun 17-Feb-13 00:14:31

Isabelle - have you tried Cabochard (mossy green and smoky/woody/leathery) or Cabotine (lighter and fresher and more floral)? Both are often on offer on websites like cheapsmells.

If you like Estee Lauder's 1980s style of perfume, then perhaps you might like to try a drop of Private Collection (available in many department stores). It is v. strong and long-lasting! It begins bright green and then turns into a whole bouquet of flowers.

There is Malle's rather mysterious Angeliques Sous La Pluie. Am wearing it right now, from a sample. That starts green and then - to me - develops a fleeting clove-like or old-fashioned cough mixture smell, and then it turns warmer and cedary and musky, with a thin veil of greenness and cleanness lingering. Also a hint of fennel. On me, not terribly long lasting. The cat seems to like it!

As I've said earlier in this strand, I used to love the old, discontinued version of Vent Vert. I don't like the new versions (there are at least two), but some people do. Might be worth a sniff, if you can get hold of samples.

I am currently waiting for a sample of L'Artisan Perfumeur's Verte Violette. Will report back. Have any other Perfumistas tried it?

ProFumo Sun 17-Feb-13 07:49:57

Flora I don't think I've tried that but I like the bracing green, bitter notes of violet leaf a lot.

Isabelle don't worry if none of the greens I mentioned clicked immediately. Taste in perfume is such a personal thing. I imagine that bigger, more voluptuous perfumes are more your thing (Chanel No. 19 EdP might come closest to that group - galbanum rounded up with lots of sensuous florals.)

Isabelle you may have encountered one of these SAs who do not know a lot about perfume. Maybe she took inspiration from the perfume's name, but imo the day/evening scent stuff is conventional mumbo jumbo and perhaps not worth paying attention to. I've never really understood it, if it means cologne during daytime and bring on the big guns (Poison and Giorgio anyone?) when going out confused I don't enjoy a cacophony of loud perfumes at theaters, restaurants and discos; and yes, perfume can be seductive, but you are often better off without (given the sharp love/hate divides). And I find that discreet drop of EdP or extrait in the morning often gives a full workday's worth of delicious perfume. That said, I'm not a heavy sprayer, half-a-spray or a light dab is often just enough. I often spray something heady during the day when I'm mostly alone and when I go out, I try to pick something discreet - a classic cologne is often ideal.

I'm generally not a jasmine soliflore person but A la nuit is fantastic. We have a park full of jasmine down the street so early in the summer I cross-reference with the real thing and it's pretty darn close.

Cointreau about half of the Tauer line are 'meh' on me and a couple are unwearable. But the ones I love I really love.

Fuzzy Anais Anais is super classy, one of the great budget bargains. I don't wear it well but always enjoy a whiff from passers-by.

Scarlet enjoy your samples! Orange Star is a very bold and modern unisex choice and I'm thrilled that you like it. Re: words, most of us smell very well but finding words for what me smell is very difficult. It doesn't come naturally to perfumers either. They rigorously train their noses my first smelling the most common raw materials in isolation and then moving on to accords (several notes/substances together) and the reference perfumes of each perfume subclass. They are encouraged to take notes (raw material X: the cool cucumber sandwiches my granny made, and cool stones underwater) to create strong and lasting associations and to facilitate learning. I often perceive perfumes as a visual image or a color. Lists of notes bore me - they really don't capture the experience, but of course they are useful when you are doing research.

Spending time with Le temps d'une fete by Parfums de Nicolai. It has a clear narcissus note and a curious green/cool - sweet/warm balance. It's one of those strange, complex but delicate perfumes I would have overlooked when I started out.

IsabelleRinging Sun 17-Feb-13 09:09:55

Thanks everyone, getting some really good ideas for a green. Don't think I want an eau de cologne type green, more a floral/chypre green like no19. I didn't get a chance to try all the ones suggested Profumo, but No19 is the closest to fitting the bill, the only thing putting me off is that a close friend has always worn this for years, and in my head it is her fragrance and I would be stealing it. Private Collection sounds like a possibility too, never tried this, do they stock it at most Estee counters, not sure I've ever noticed it? Not tried Calyx for a long time, remember it being popular in the 90s, I don't seem to see it around any more. Will have a look for it. I liked Ninfeo Mio, but not sure I could wear it if DH hated it. It doesn't smell of cat pee does it? I might try him again in a couple of weeks as he is not always consistent in his reactions.

Anyone tried this this from Lubin?

I thought A La Nuit was very natural for a Jasmine and quite green and fresh, the nicest I have smelled. I tried Jasminora from Guerlain a while ago and didn't really like it, it was too indolic, and soapy for me. I'm liking lots of the Serge Lutens at the moment.

scarlet, I love carnal flower, it is quite green, planty is a good description, but I find tuberose without the green quite nauseating.

ProFumo Sun 17-Feb-13 09:50:13

For anyone confident enough in French, here is a good source of some hard to find niche perfumes. They have 2€ samples and if you order for 10€, shipping is free to selected countries. Have just ordered from them, no idea how well it works, but have not had problems with small independent perfumeries.

Viviennemary Sun 17-Feb-13 11:31:02

Thanks Profumo. I had a look at the site. And could understand most of it. But don't think I'm confident enough in French to order. Although they do have a smaller bottle of Annick Goutal Neroli, which sounds lovely.

greenfern Sun 17-Feb-13 11:36:58

Chanel Tendre is lovely, quite subtle smell, not over powering

ProFumo Sun 17-Feb-13 12:55:27

Viviennemary, I had no problem ordering my 10€'s worth of samples (just needed to select some samples and fill in my address and payment details, just like any other eshop). Will post here if/when they arrive. I get my 'fumes mostly from the perfume houses directly (most of the ones I like are French), small boutiques or fellow perfumistas. Websites can be a creaky sometimes grin but nobody has ever let me down.

In Central / Southern Europe, people in general are more knowledgeable about perfume and ordinary people pick sophisticated scents. Just about every village profumeria in Italy sells Teint de Neige... Our humble corner perfumery has all Artisans, Goutals, TDCs etc one could ever wish to sample. That's why I recommend continental sellers. is excellent too, particularly for perfume minis and discontinued gems.

Le temps d'une fete: of two minds. Loving the soaring galbanum+narcisse, and the incensey opoponax base (now there is a lovely word), but also detect a cheap stinky musk I last smelled on a street musician... And the perfume is fleeting. But I keep reapplying grin Parfums de Nicolai are in any case worth knowing about and sampling, if you find them somewhere. They are elite niche, very cheap (about 35€ for 30ml) and iirc, they have a shop somewhere in London (you can buy 2€ samples online from Parfümeria Neroli as well).

We are going to be traveling for the next week or so. Will promise to raid duty frees but postings may be less frequent than usual grin

CointreauVersial Sun 17-Feb-13 15:09:02

It's my birthday, and the sun is shining, so nothing experimental today. I'm enveloped in the warm loveliness of Chanel

Charliefox Sun 17-Feb-13 17:22:03

Can anyone recommend a perfume for me? From recommendations on here, I bought Jo malone Dark Amber and ginger lily. I really like it but it's just not dirty enough. I want something similar with a liberal sprinkling of pure filth in there. Any suggestions?

florascotia Sun 17-Feb-13 17:23:00

Oh ProFumo, you keep putting such delicious temptations in our way! There are so many lovely smells on the site you link to. (Fellow Perfumistas, it really is very easy to use. I have just tried and now have hole in cedit card. And there are lots of lovely new 'green' smells for those of us who like such thing to try.)

ProFumo - have a very good trip, and I hope you find some duty-free perfume bargains.

Cointreau - Many Happy Returns of the day!

coffeeinbed Sun 17-Feb-13 17:27:30

Charlie, Miller Harris L'Air de rien. The dirtiest.
or Serge Lutens Musk Kublai Khan.
Annick Goutal Musk Nomade - the tamest from the bunch.
Those are musks.

Or, a very dirty amber - Agent Provocateur Strip.

coffeeinbed Sun 17-Feb-13 17:28:38

In fact, I think I'll get some Strip on in a minute.
Haven't worn it for ages.

YouOldSlag Sun 17-Feb-13 17:31:31

Pure filth you say?
Worth Courtesan
Feminite du Bois (Shiseido/Serge Lutens)

Both smell like musky sex smell after a while. (At least on me)

coffeeinbed Sun 17-Feb-13 17:34:44

there was something called Indiscrete, Lucien Lelong, many years ago, now that was pure filthy knickers.
Made me blush first time I smelt it.
I was young then..

coffeeinbed Sun 17-Feb-13 17:36:28

there's also Boudoir.
It's dirty in a different way. It has the high pitched viburnum note, as opposed to the earthier musks and ambers.
I'm afraid that turned to pure soap and powder on me.

Haberdashery Sun 17-Feb-13 17:39:03

Happy birthday, Cointreau!

Very tempting site there, ProFumo...

Charliefox Sun 17-Feb-13 17:39:51

Thanks all for a quick response. Love boudoir. Had it for years.

Charliefox Sun 17-Feb-13 17:43:10

Just read about Strip. Says there's a cigarette accord. Sound perfect. Love the smell of booze and fags on a very dirty man!

Charliefox Sun 17-Feb-13 17:48:08

Only problem of course is that Strip would appear to be impossible to get hold of sad

florascotia Sun 17-Feb-13 17:50:04

Charliefox - among the oldies, have a sniff of Bal a Versailles. And try sites such as Surrender to Chance for vintage scents which contain now-banned ingredients such as civet. For example, Weil's Zibeline.

Somebody - I forget who - does a perfume called 'Old Fur Coat'. I have not smelled it. Perhaps other Perfumistas have. And see:

With my humanitarian hat on, I quite see that the ban on many wonderful old scents is much, much kinder to animals. Therefore I have to say it's a very good thing. Had I known what many old scents contained I would not have purchased them. We just have to hope that today's perfume chemists can come up with equally powerful replacements.

More humanely, some heavy aniseedy scents such as 'L'Heuere Bleue' do have, to some people, a rather 'animal' resonance. Have a sniff of that, too.

Our resident expert ProFumo had some interesting things to say a few days ago re perfumes such as 'Fat Electrician'. If you have not already done so, perhaps you might like to scroll back for a few pages and look for the comments.

CointreauVersial Sun 17-Feb-13 18:46:10

Bal a Versailles and Guerlain Jicky are the dirtiest I have.

florascotia Sun 17-Feb-13 19:43:58

Charliefox - I forgot, there is also Aziyade from Parfum d'empire. It's described as 'fleshy and fruity'.
And, from the makers of Fat Electrician, there is this:

auldspinster Sun 17-Feb-13 19:45:45

I love Strip, bought it blind and tried it in the morning and didn't like it then tried it again at night and it made perfect sense.

scarletsalt Sun 17-Feb-13 22:15:48

Might have to try Strip, it sounds very interesting!

I tried eau d'hadrien today. When I first put it on it was overwhelmingly lemony, too much so really, was actually a bit bathroom cleanery (although I love lemon bathroom cleaner!). But after a while it mellowed into a really gorgeous citrus, that I really liked However, it didnt last anywhere near as long as the orange star that I tried yesterday.

Carnal flower next!

niminypiminy Mon 18-Feb-13 09:34:48

Giving Rose Vermeille another try. When I came downstairs with it on my six year old DS said 'Mummy you smell of jelly squares'. For him this was a complement -- squares of raw jelly being a favourite treat -- but for me it's a damning judgement. Will go and have a shower to wash it off so I can put on something else, something that doesn't remind me of children's party food.

clb Mon 18-Feb-13 10:08:40

Ha! It may change, of course. Must admit that I have a sample of Rose Vermeille I've not tried yet, because I don't like the smell of the bottle. Must be braver.

I'm enjoying the dregs of Heeley's Cuir Pleine Fleur this morning, having put it on last night. Just completely delicious, I think: soft suede, no harsh edges, wafts of indistinct floweriness. Not aggressive in any way, no huge sillage, but noticeable and unusual. Surprising longevity, too.

Over the weekend tried both Heeley's Figuier and Diptyque's Philosykos. The latter seemed much sharper and greener than the Heeley, which had more warmth, milkiness and a mild coconut scent at times, which seemed to die away after half an hour or so and be replaced by melon and salt. Both scents very enjoyable.

And two scrubbers: Caron's Farnesiana on me (too sharp, too much bitter almond) and Histoires de Parfum's 1740 on DH (he hated the tarriness).

IsabelleRinging Mon 18-Feb-13 12:33:36

Perfumistas? Is it possible that Les Senteurs water down their samples? Yesterday I wore my sample of Carnal Flower, 10 minutes after applying I could hardly smell it, yet when I tested this on card at Liberty's it lasted for a week! Teint de Neige? Gone by lunch time, Fleur Nocturne? so weak from the sample I struck it straight of my wish list! Yet all 3 of these perfumes reportedly have high silage and longevity. I was beginning to doubt my sense of smell, but am wearing Cuir de Russie today, from a genuine manufacturer sample, and I can smell it strongly, even the Aqua di Parma Iris Nobile sample, again a manufacturer one, was longer lasting and stronger than any of my Les Senteurs ones, and this isn't reported to be long lived. Hmmm???? Anyone else have problems? It's putting me off buying more samples.

scarletsalt Mon 18-Feb-13 14:34:43

It is funny you should say that Isabelle as I have sampled Carnal Flower today (from Les Senteurs) and was going to come on here and say that I found it quite overpowering! It was actually a bit of an assault on my nostrils for the first hour or so, I felt like I couldnt fit any more smells up my nose. If I had a full bottle and sprayed it as liberally as I normally with perfume, I think that I would be knocking people out as I walked by them! And I put it on this morning, and it is definitely still there now, although it is more subtle now. So if that is a watered down version, then I am not going near the full strength version!

I did like it though, much more so than I thought I would when I first smelt it from the bottle. It is much more floral than I am used to wearing, but now I have had it on for a few hours and it just smells like a lovely bunch of flowers.

The eau d'hadrien I tried yesterday did fade very quickly, but lots of people on fragrantica said that as well.

florascotia Mon 18-Feb-13 14:52:35