Any other wavy girls doing curly girl/low poo routine?

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Wrigglebum Fri 11-Jan-13 21:52:30

Post dcs my hair has become dry and frizzy and all the usual deep conditioning in the world has not worked!

Since I have no time to blow dry and straighten I've actually discovered my hair is rather wavy/curly (though straight in parts) so thought I might try an adapted curly girl routine to see if a bit of a detox will make it healthy again! More shine and less frizz please!

I did a clarifying shampoo two days ago and since then no silicones have touched my hair. Did my first co-wash today and I was surprised how clean my hair actually felt after. My chronically itchy scalp felt no better or worse than after a regular shampoo (nothing has ever fixed it other than some stuff from doctor). My hair does seem a bit less frizzy already.

Has anyone else with wavy hair actually done a curly girl routine? Does it work well? How often do you use shampoo and how do you know when it's time to shampoo?

I've been looking at the denman bristle brush and shower brush- any good?

Oh, I've had a similar thread recently with lots of good advice from experienced people - I'll see if I can find it.

Here it is.

I am only at the stage of thinking about going SLS/cone free <<coward>>.
My hair is frizzy/wavy, but not excessively thick or African and I am worried it might go just too lank.

Wrigglebum Fri 11-Jan-13 22:17:16

I think that's what I'm worried about too. Then again, my hair is usually so bloody huge that lank might make a nice change!

I guess if it gets bad then just shampoo and tweak the routine.

Thanks for the link, I'll have a read.

Wrigglebum Fri 11-Jan-13 22:32:16

You mention the l'oreal oil on there- I found that worked well for a couple of weeks and then my hair got really dry. So i can see that silicone is probably not good for my hair. It's the top ingredient I think on that oil? I've used about 3/4 of my bottle.

I certainly think you could reduce your use of silicones and sls, then just use a 'normal' shampoo when you seem to get build up. Maybe alternate washing with conditioner and an sls free shampoo, then use a normal shampoo once a fortnight or month, whatever works really?

I got some Naked leave in conditioner and serum which feel really nice, have the Tresemme Naturals shampoo and conditioner and used the Boots Essentials to 'wash' with.

That's kind of my plan: get Naked shampoo and conditioner and then see how I get on.
I am also growing my hair, it's currently only just chin-length, so what feels right might of course change over time.

I have to say, using henna has made a huge difference to my hair - for the better.

I am not sure how much difference the kind of brush you use makes?

And blow-drying/straightening? Which I do maybe once a week or so to look less 'mad' when I go to work grin won't really help either, I am sure.

Bella88 Sat 12-Jan-13 12:02:43

The Living Proof range is silicone free and some of the best defrizzing styling products I've tried - I use the leave in conditioner and straightening spray.

Space NK stock it, pricey but worth it.

coconut oil the proper pure virgin stuff that I got in a big tub off amazon has transformed my hair from dry and frizzy on top to smooth and sleek and sooo shiney. I use in on my skin too and its great for cookin.... a versatile ingredient and reasonably cheap too, lasts for ages. just look on amazon for cocounut oil and the one I use is first on the list.

wickedfairy Sat 12-Jan-13 13:00:29

I have the same issue and was wondering if you could do low or nopoo with slightly wavy hair!!

StepsAway, do you put it in your hair at night and wash it off in the morning?

I have hair that is ok underneath and frizzy on the top layer. It's fine hair and I found argan oil too heavy, although it was ok for my skin.

How exactly do you use it for your hair? Thanks!

I melt a spoonful in my hands, rub it into my top layers of hair then put a plastic shower cap on and a towel and leave as long as possible, usually I take the towel off when I go for a lovely hot soak in the bath then shampoo it out. If you use too much it can take two shampoos to get rid of it but it works. smells scrummy too. like toasted coconut. tastes goo melted and is supposed to be very good for certain things including appetite supressant. I did chuck a spoonful in some rice and it was very tasty.

good, not goo!

Wrigglebum Sat 12-Jan-13 14:40:29

Coconut oil didn't really do much for me, but maybe silicone in my hair blocked it out iyswim?

I'm intrigued by henna but would it cover greys? I have a ton around the fringe area. Makes me look far too old!

Oh yes, it covers grey grin. Whole point of doing it in my case - I am coping quite well with advancing middle age and things going South, but grey hair... nope!

Lush henna. Caca brun is a warm brown, not red btw.

Coconut oil sounds scrummy!

Wrigglebum Sat 12-Jan-13 16:13:09

Annoying thing is I am 33 yet rather grey already. Might look into the henna if I can work out how I'll get 5 hours or so to do it! Have you tried leaving on overnight?

wickedfairy Sat 12-Jan-13 16:30:22

Thanks StepsAway! May try some, although I hope it wouldn't be too heavy... How long did it take you to see improvements?

Re henna, I am 35 but gave loads of white hair, which I due brown. Would henna cover white hair if I used caca brun? Is it a total faff? Also, what happens if you change your mind - can you go back to standard hair dye these days? Am sure I read somewhere that you can't dye over it??

Wrigglebum Sat 12-Jan-13 19:25:09

I read somewhere that you can dye over the caca brun as it doesn't have mineral salts. Not sure if that's true though.

I guess you can do a strand test, and at the least you could maybe just touch up roots until it grows out.

I have left it over night once - it was fine. Normally I do it on a Sunday afternoon/after lunch and wash it out during general bathtime chaos.
There is no denying, it is a faff and it smells rather... herbally/earthy. My DSs call it my 'pond scum' - they are not wrong grin.

I was under the impression you could NOT dye over it, but am no expert... I would be delighted to hear that you could dye it, just in case I get fed up of doing it before I shuffle off this mortal coil wink

ZolaBuddleia Sat 12-Jan-13 21:40:11

I've just dyed over Caca Brun! Just looked at the boxes of dye to see which didn't have the 'don't use after henna' clause. It's worked out fine, good even coverage.

My experience of Caca Brun is that it makes my hair much thicker, but definitely has red tones. It doesn't completely cover my grey, those hairs take on colour, but are lighter than the rest, also the colour seems to wash out of them quicker.

BranchingOut Sun 13-Jan-13 11:59:53

How dark does Caca Brun come out?

I am dark blonde/light brown - would this be too dark for me?

I am having some success using a Body Shop shampoo for fine hair. Hair feels much cleaner and not weighed down. Then use Pantene volume conditioner - I know this must have silicone but it seems to be the best thing for me. Want to try some argan hair oil too.

Oh, I also tried bicarbonate of soda, great for clarifying!

Wrigglebum Sun 13-Jan-13 16:38:14

Well I have a head full of caca! The girl in Lush was so helpful- she has light brown hair naturally and using the caca rouge has gorgeous glossy red brown hair. I think if you're quite light the brun might be too dark but you could ask in the shop.

Apart from that the co-washing seems great, just a week of no silicones and lots of moisture and my hair seems much less dry and frizzy. Think I'll keep this up! Bicarbonate for clarifying sounds good too, I'd think you could do a nice scrub whilst doing it too.

MorningPurples Sun 13-Jan-13 17:42:40

I did this four about 5 months, with a clarifying wash to start with and then only the Naked shampoo (now and then) and conditioner, nothing with any silicones in at all.

I gave up in the end, as my hair eventually felt so greasy and heavy, like it was never clean. It seemed ok to start with, so maybe I'll still use those products occasionally, but as a regular thing they just didn't seem to clean well enough.

it was perhaps somewhat less frizzy while I was doing it, though.

BranchingOut, Caca Brun is maybe a bit dark if you are as light as I think you might be from your description. You could do a stand test - as you are ment to anyway but I've never bothered.

Good luck, Wrigglebum, let us know how you like the outcome!

Oh dear, MorningPurples, your story does not sound particularly encouraging...

Wrigglebum Sun 13-Jan-13 19:46:51

Well the caca brun is quite dark, I like it but it's perhaps a bit darker than I'd normally go. I might try half and half with the rouge or marron next time. It's very soft and shiny and smells great though. It's quite a palaver but not as bad as I expected and I got lots of funny looks from my 8mo as I sat there in my shower cap smile. Doesn't make my eyes water or scalp itch either like regular dye.

It hasn't got rid of the greys totally but it seems to have made then less noticible and a bit less wiry (why do the buggers always stand to attention?)

MorningPurples, I guess that's why I want to try a curly girl light type plan! Shampoo reducing rather than cutting out completely if you see what I mean. I've thrown out the bloody Pantene though as that really did dry my hair out. Dug out the coconut oil again and it seem great on the dry ends. Really must book a hair appointment to get them chopped off.

Wrigglebum, the colour will continue changing for the next 24-48 hrs. I also find the next wash (with 'conventional' shampoo wink) makes a further difference even though there is no obvious colour going down the plughole IYKWIM.
I mix with marron 1:1 and wrap my head with clingfilm <<glamorous>> for added red shine without going all out postbox red.
I do love the texture with henna though - I read somewhere that you could put henna on on 3 consecutive days to get a phantastic result texture-wise. I'll try that when my youngest goes to uni he is 2 I have the time, maybe.

Pantene is awful, as is baby shampoo shock and Head'n'Shoulder is truly like paintstripper. I quite like the Lush solid shampoo, but it's not SLS free, grrr!

Wrigglebum Tue 15-Jan-13 10:09:00

Well I am totally sold on the henna! My hair is so soft and shiny, in fact it's so soft all the curls have dropped out but I do have nice waves still, in fact they look quite glamorous! It didn't get all the white hairs, but a lot of them are now lovely shades of blonde and red. I've read that cassia is ultra moisturising and can turn white hair blonde, so I might try a treatment of that if I get round to it! I think I'll try the same mix as you Pacific next time, thank you do much for getting me on to it.

My hair is so dry still though it just takes all the moisture I can throw at it. Thanks to stepsaway I've got the coconut oil out again and it's working well as a leave in treatment, doesn't make my hair greasy at all.

I got this to work in the conditioner when I 'wash' with it and it's great at exfoliating the scalp, I feel less itchy than i have in years.

Well, a MNer got me to try henna, and now I've 'got' you grin.
Glad you like it.
I think you can use cassia on its own as a moisturiser, without colour IYSWIM.
The HennaBoy website has lots of information, but was a bit scary for a henna newbie like me...

I use Caca Brun and Caca Marron or mixtures of the two on my dark brown hair, I haven't got many greys, and they are isolated rather than clumps but they go bright coppery rather than dark. The Brun doesn't really change the colour of my hair, just gives it a bit more warmth and depth, the Marron makes it quite coppery, which I don't really like so much.

Mine is wavy/flyaway. I have been largely SLS/cone free for a couple of years and hair and scalp are in great condition, but any products at all that I put on make it lanky, if I don't use anything I get a lot of fluffyflyaway hair all over the surface. I tried coconut oil once and it didn't do much, might try it again. I have been impressed with Lush Jasmine and Henna mask, makes it feel really silky, but doesn't solve the flyaway problem.

Wrigglebum Wed 16-Jan-13 20:04:36

Would a bit of good old fashioned hairspray work to tame flyaways whiknows? Or are they full of silicones? Must check my elnett bottle as I sometimes use that on flyaways (pre doing this SLS/cone free thing) and it helps to weigh it all down a bit. I've found I can put a lot of coconut oil on my hair and it just soaks in, as long as it's sort of little and often (each morning and evening). I don't know how that will change as my hair gets (hopefully) healthier.

I looked at Hennaboy pacific, as I was wondering about making my own henna mix, but it's quite scary choosing your location and vintage for henna! Might try lush henna for a bit longer and maybe just order some cassia for conditioning. Would be good to make my own mix though as I think the cocoa butter in the lush mix makes it quite hard to rinse out (and clean out of the bath). But looks like it would be more expensive.

Wrigglebum Wed 16-Jan-13 20:16:56

Or rather whoknows smile. I guess though flyaway is better than a dry and frizzy which is my starting point! It sounds like we have similar hair, though I am more grey, as pre dying, endless silicones and heated hair abuse mine was soft, shiny, wavy but fluffy. Hence why the added weight of the silicones worked do well at first.

Hairspray does help a bit, I use Elnett occasionally but it does have silicones in. I also use L'Oreal Extraordinary oil for special occasions. It's the search for every day smoothness with volume that is eluding me!

The Lush henna is a pain to wash out, but to be honest, 20 mins under a nice warm shower is quite nice occasionally, it rinses out of the bath fairly easily too. I sometimes have to blewch the shower curtain afterwards though!

Unfortunately (for my hair) my NY resolution is to swim 3x a week, that is not going to help much.

I am now wondering when I can get into town to try Henna! glad the coconut oil is working, I find it useful for putting on the dry frazzled ends of my hair in the one spot that the GHD's seem to murder. it turns them from fried and crispy into hair again so I just rub a bit in every night before bed. they drink it up.

Wrigglebum Thu 17-Jan-13 19:42:57

Oooh, do it stepsaway! I'm so pleased I discovered it and don't think I'll dye with regular dye for the foreseeable future (though will have to see how quickly the grey advances and how it goes with the henna).

The roots of my hair are amazingly soft and shiny (even my roots were frizzy before) but I'm still super dry on the very ends. I'm hoping after a good cut it will start looking even healthier. That plus a ton of coconut oil! The co-washing seems to be working a treat too, I feel super clean after.

I think the Lush henna needs to be on the Mumsnet swears by email!

Yes, I seem to find myself recommending it at least once a month!

I should be on Lush's payroll, I recommend them so often!

I find I need to apply henna every 8 weeks or so, but that's me being lazy - my roots are apparent before then, but I find wavy/chaotic hair hides it a bit longer. Or so I keep telling myself hmm.

I tend to wash it out just bending over the bathtub with the showerhead in my hand IYKWIM. I find that less messy, but hell for my back.

I've added coconut oil to my Amazon order tonight grin.

That's why I do it in the shower, I've got a bad back, plus at least the shower curtain stops me spraying the whole bathroom with it. I haven't done mine since mid Sept but it is so close to my natural colour that the roots don't show.

I'm always raving on here about Lush skincare stuff too, it's lovely.

Wrigglebum Mon 21-Jan-13 18:26:25

Well, if coconut oil was good for my hair, argan oil is amazing! I used it before but it didn't seem to work. Put about a teaspoon on all over last night and then washed with conditioner this morning and my hair feels like it did when I was a child! Really soft and silky. I am putting little bits on through the day as the ends dry out (about a ml at a time, rub it into my hair then run my hands through the ends and length). It's not getting oily as my hair seems to drink it up. I guess maybe silicone build up stopped it soaking in before?

It's 100% pure argan oil from Holland & Barrett, not one of the silicone full preparations (have you seen the ingredients for moroccan oil?! Argan oil is very low on the list below a ton of silicone). I'd highly recommend it to the rest of you if you've got dry ends.

I've got a bottle of that Argan oil, I use it on my face. I have tried using it on dry hair but it made it lanky, never thought of using it as a mask <adds> it to list of things to try.

I managed to achieve silky smoothness yesterday, I henna'd my hair, then washed and conditioned it and absent mindedly got out of the shower without rinsing it, I was dressed by the time I realised and needed to go out, so I tied it all back, stuck a hat on and went out, rinsed it when I got back a couple of hours later and wow! Smooth as silk. Starting to get a bit fluffy again today though.

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