I finally stumped up for Bottox and wow what a difference!

(121 Posts)
smilingnotfrowning Wed 21-Nov-12 16:56:24

I don't consider myself to be a big beauty addict but 2 weeks ago I had Bottox and its made a subtle but significant difference. I've noticed people smiling back at me more and I realise that it must be because I don't look perpetually worried. No one in real life has figured out what I've done so I had to come onto to MN to share my news!

noddyholder Wed 21-Nov-12 17:10:11

smile me too I love it!

XBenedict Wed 21-Nov-12 17:10:51

But did it hurt?

noddyholder Wed 21-Nov-12 17:18:09

No just a 'crunch' grin

Crunch???? shock

<faints clean away>

mumblechum1 Wed 21-Nov-12 17:23:32

Seriously thinking about getting this done (but without telling anyone in RL), I have really deep frown lines and look like a miserable hag.

How long did it take and how much did it cost?

RavenVonChaos Wed 21-Nov-12 17:26:08

Even tho I a dead agajnst it and a radical feminist.....

I want it too! Miserable old hag reporting for duty winkwink

XBenedict Wed 21-Nov-12 17:28:06

I have frown lines too and creases in my cheeks by the side of my nose - you know what I mean? Getting old sad

Not sure about the crunching though ewww!

XBenedict Wed 21-Nov-12 17:28:39

I would also be interested in how much it cost.

CajaDeLaMemoria Wed 21-Nov-12 17:31:03

Bottox is the commonly used name for bum-botox around here. Makes it perky again...

I can't decide if the OP has had that or has made a spelling mistake...

I don't think I could be needled in the face. Or the bum, but especially the face. My MIL had it, everyone told her it didn't hurt. I could hear her shout outside the room. Ouch.

HoleyGhost Wed 21-Nov-12 17:31:35

The wind changed and now I look permanently cross. I' m saving for botox

Botoxer Wed 21-Nov-12 17:32:48

I agree it is really impressive, make up goes on smoother, you look fresher. ALTHOUGH, it depends on the practitioner, I went to one at a private hospital and she was crap. I said to her "I havent had any comments about looking good/better" and she brushed these off!

Then I found my current woman and not only is she cheaper, but better qualified and with better results.

It also makes you hugely cynical about all face creams as you KNOW what the answer is! I think it has done more for me as I have just hit 40 than anything else. I LOVE IT

AcornAesthetics Wed 21-Nov-12 17:33:12

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Botoxer Wed 21-Nov-12 17:33:33

i have two areas - above brows and crows feet. It is just perfect. Mine took aged to take effect, though, over a week.

Botoxer Wed 21-Nov-12 17:33:48

Acorn - pay to advertise!

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GlitKnit Wed 21-Nov-12 17:41:10

People won't visit you if you spam the boards you moron.

noddyholder Wed 21-Nov-12 19:16:22

Eliminates all the creams etc and you don't have to wear make up in teh day as much. I do just above brows nothing else I am 47 and it is my favourite thing esp after about a month when it looks its best.

XBenedict Wed 21-Nov-12 19:18:11

I am tempted noddy

Which lines did you have done? I am poised with my credit card but still can't bring myself to do it.

noddyholder Wed 21-Nov-12 19:21:44

gwan gwan gwan

MiniMousse Wed 21-Nov-12 19:25:17

interesting - I'[m thinking about botox too as a mini scale version of the grand canyon appears to be forming between my eyebrows... how much does it cost and can you recommend anywhere thames valley way?

noddyholder Wed 21-Nov-12 19:25:54

My dp has seen me all dolled up with it but only ever commented one sunday when I went to the market with loose scruffy hair and absolutely no make up and he just looked at me and said You look YOUNG! Mine was done in september and is still fully there hope it lasts over xmas

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 21-Nov-12 19:26:24

You are all bonkers! You are injecting yourselves with Botulism in the name of beauty! Embrace your crows feet!

omletta Wed 21-Nov-12 19:28:10

Can we see pictures please?

noddyholder Wed 21-Nov-12 19:28:58

I don't have crows feet grin only forehead creases

cardamomginger Wed 21-Nov-12 19:34:10

Indeed, it is fab wink.

I am not embracing any furrows on my face, I would rather die young and line free.

noddyholder Wed 21-Nov-12 19:37:57

You will not die young! I know about a dozen older people who have been having botox in a renal capacity for years at does x100s of what the cosmetic version is and even with their other health issues they are still going!

That's me persuaded then. Did you get personal recommendations? How do you choose somewhere?

Mine aren't too bad due to being a lot little overweight.
No lines on a balloon as they say.

AcornAesthetics Wed 21-Nov-12 19:45:43

Mine lasted 11 months - wonderful! Sorry if I caused offence just sharing my experience!

D0G Wed 21-Nov-12 19:48:45

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ThatVikRinA22 Wed 21-Nov-12 19:50:43

what exactly does it do?

im 40 but have noticed the beginning of very fine lines around my eyes, only noticeable when i smile and so far thats it but am poised for more.......

would botox sort them out?
can you have it around eyes?

notlaughinglines Wed 21-Nov-12 23:05:45

Vicar, you can have it around your eyes - sideways (ie crows feet etc.), and yes it will make a massive, but subtle difference if you go to someone good. Under your eyes not so much. I'm 40 too <wail>

I've had it on my number 11s for a few years now and it is amazing! So subtle but just eradicates that "I'm a cross person" look. I've never worn sunglasses, my whole life, and I'm paying the price early sad I also have never really worn make-up (foundation etc.) so I am obviously thrilled!

My problem now, pleeease help me, are two deep lines below my eyes. Not directly under them, lower, they appear when I squint or smile. I imagine the no sunglasses thing is the reason.

The lovely woman who does my botox says that she can't use it there, but then she hummed and haad and made me squint and relax loads of times and did a miniscule amount around them, and I think it did make a tiny difference.

I'm seeing her again next week for my number 11s, please can anyone tell me what I can do for these horrible lines. Should I encourage her to go botox crazy on them? (they are a centimetre or more below my eyes) and they make me look crap, exhausted and about 30 years older sad

Or is there something else for this area under the eyes? Proper lines, not just shadows, troughs or whatever...

Please help me <big mournful wrinkly eyes>

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 22-Nov-12 00:06:07

You are all nuts! Injecting a poison into yourselves to paralyse your facial muscles!

Viviennemary Thu 22-Nov-12 00:09:54

A doctor told me it was a poison and why would you want to inject poison into your body. And then somebody else told me it only lasts six months or so and then you need to have it done again. But I have been tempted.

ProcrastinatingPanda Thu 22-Nov-12 00:13:41

Where do you live OP? I could get you discounted Botox wink

ProcrastinatingPanda Thu 22-Nov-12 00:14:48

vivien I know a doctor who has his own private cosmetics company and he gives Botox to his customers.

Viviennemary Thu 22-Nov-12 00:17:43

It still put me off. And all these breast implants going wrong made me suspicious of all cosmetic surgery. Maybe in a few years they will find out that botox is dangerous. I don't think it's been around long enough. No I'm too scared!

ProcrastinatingPanda Thu 22-Nov-12 00:21:14

The breast implant thing did worry me a lot, all those poor women.

noddyholder Thu 22-Nov-12 00:35:39

Vivienne its been around years in medicine

TranceDaemon Thu 22-Nov-12 01:20:05

It's fab! I have had it twice, it took ten years off me according to my mum! grin

It's made the most difference on my 11's, I no longer look angry all the time.

It didn't hurt as I had special cream. wink

notlaughinglines Thu 22-Nov-12 07:59:00

My friend had botox in her armpits for 2 years on the NHS for excessive sweating before they cut funding. She said it was amazing, and she had no more problems.

It doesn't hurt at all really, very small pricks <fnar> but yes, a bit of a crunch!

I can't wait until next week and live in hope that she will magic my under eye lines away!

ProcrastinatingPanda Thu 22-Nov-12 08:02:41

notlaughing most Botox companies will still inject for excessive sweating if she ever wanted to try again but fund it herself.

helenovhull Thu 22-Nov-12 08:07:28

My friend's mother has it - the first time it did look good but she's been having it about five years now and she just looks odd. Her friends daughter is only about 40 but has a frozen death mask now sad

It seems to be addictive and the person having it cant see if they are starting to look weird, bit like fake tan!

noddyholder Thu 22-Nov-12 08:10:45

I have had it for 2 years still looks great. I think it's all down to the practitioner and what your face/skin looks like in general.

notlaughinglines Thu 22-Nov-12 08:15:55

I totally agree it depends on who does it. I said I really didn't want the frozen look the first time I went, and the brilliant person I go to was horrified that I'd even mentioned it!

Thanks procrastinating smile. She's looked into private but sadly she can't afford it - she's just had a baby and the budget is tight.

I on the other hand continue to fund my vanity lol with my credit card

ProcrastinatingPanda Thu 22-Nov-12 08:19:43

If you're going to get Botox you should look at getting a doctor to do it rather than a nurse.

helenovhull Thu 22-Nov-12 08:25:34

I'm not convinced, surely the likes of Kylie use the "best" practitioners but still look scary!

Eliza22 Thu 22-Nov-12 08:35:25

I'm not scared of the "crunch" (pain) but you hear some shocking stories about how people end up with a droopy eye or asymmetrical effect. I would LOVE to rid myself of that worried/cross/tired look. I'm 50 and generally happy with my own personal ageing process so far but....BUT I'm seriously contemplating injecting poison into my face!!

notlaughinglines Thu 22-Nov-12 08:39:36

I wonder if that kylie and madonna weird look is actually due to fillers, rather than botox? I agree, they look plain odd! And they certainly would be paying for the best of the best.

notlaughinglines Thu 22-Nov-12 08:44:50

Eliza I think if you research who you go to the risk would be quite low, although not zero risk I guess. Most of the horror stories are connected with crap / unqualified practitioners aren't they?

I understand the worry though - I was so nervous the first time I went!

Itsafineline Thu 22-Nov-12 08:47:54

I've been having it for 8 years. I've used 3 practitioners and am happiest with my current one. Take recommendations if you can, especially at first, as you really have no idea what is 'right'. I've found I actually have less of it as I get older. Particularly as my current practitioner has a very straightforward pricing structure, which doesn't 'bundle' t up so you end up having more than you really need. I mean the £230 for one are, £250 for two areas type of structure. Current girl does £125 for one area, with a follow up appointment in two weeks if you think it hasn't taken so well. is the best way of preventing you from having a totally immobile face just because you've spent the money. I find it last about 11 months too. I've never needed the top up. A good practitioner will tell you all about the potential droopy eyelid side effect and so on, but it has never happened to me.
I've never regretted it and didn't think twice about doing it. If we knew what was in a lot of our food and pharmaceuticals we might not like it.

noddyholder Thu 22-Nov-12 10:07:46

I too have less. My doctor is ok with this and always says come back in a fortnight if you want a top up but I never do. I think kylie etc have too much too often. I always let it wear right off and I think that helps it look natural.

strumpetpumpkin Thu 22-Nov-12 10:41:17

ive had it a couple of times. I love it. I dont tend to tell anyone though. Only my partner knows. I just have it in my number 11 wrinkles between my eyebrows and it makes me look less frowny and more rested. It actually seems to make me feel less tensiony headachy tooo

notlaughinglines Thu 22-Nov-12 12:56:26

smilingnotfrowning I think botox has been used to help with migraines hasn't it - so that would make sense! Think there was something in the news recently about this?

notlaughinglines Thu 22-Nov-12 12:56:50

sorry, that was to Strumpet!

10outof10 Thu 22-Nov-12 18:48:14

Any recommendations for the Cheltenham area please?

Viviennemary Thu 22-Nov-12 19:28:52

Was it once given to stroke victims when the muscles of their faces were affected. I'd like to give it a go but haven't got the courage. I think that some stars do look a bit mask like. For example say Marcia Cross who plays Bree in Desperate Housewives. She is very attractive but still has a bit of that mask look.

GetorfsaMotherfuckingMorrisMan Thu 22-Nov-12 19:29:53

I have had it for the thirs time now in over 2 years - I too let it wear off completely. I think it looks great - it makes me feel a lot happier, I am a compulsive frowner, and also spend all day frowining at spreadsheets at the like. So it helps with that -i don't look at all younger, I don't want to, but less miserable and stressed. Only have one area - between eyebrows. I like my crows feet - I think smiley lines are attractive, just not the frowny ones.

10 I go to a woman called alison taylor in cheltenham - her web page is skindetox .co. Uk - I really recommend her.

ProcrastinatingPanda Thu 22-Nov-12 21:29:14

I think a lot of celebrities that look quite bad is maybe down to them being in the public eye so much that they feel they can't let it wear off completely and so go for more top ups. I could be talking absolute nonsense but that's my theory anyway.

TigerseyeMum Thu 22-Nov-12 21:34:09

I'd love Botox, I have massive number 11s and I look cross all the time which is not helpful in my job.

I'm way too chicken though...

Cybbo Thu 22-Nov-12 21:48:05

I don't see why radical feminists can't have Botox....

Charliefox Thu 22-Nov-12 21:58:38

Don't be chicken. The pain is on a par with plucking your eyebrows ie, a bit of a momentary sting then nothing and you will be truely amazed at the difference in the 11s.

mirry2 Thu 22-Nov-12 22:04:14

Any recommendations for the north London area? I don't kow what I should get doe but I'm starting to get wrinkly.

janji Thu 22-Nov-12 22:07:34

Any recommendations for the South Yorkshire or north east Derbyshire area please?

TigerseyeMum Thu 22-Nov-12 22:24:52

I hate plucking my eyebrows too! I am a wuss with pain. Do you feel the needle go in?

notlaughinglines Thu 22-Nov-12 23:08:05

It's really not that bad Tigerseye! The worse bit is hearing it, rather than how painful it is, if that makes sense?

But it's finished with so quick it really is not that bad. Injections and trips to the dentist are far worse! (and I'm a real wuss when it comes to injections or the dentist).

I leave at least 4 months between top-ups, so I think that lets it completely wear out. Maybe that is the key to a more natural look? 4 months isn't bad for me I think - 40 years of squinting in sunlight has really made its mark. Gawd if only I could find the cure for these under eye furrows sad

If you knew me, you really wouldn't have me down as your stereotypical botox user (whatever that may be but I think the media portrays the wags etc.). I'm actually a real scruffbag lol. But the lines in these 2 places are so pronounced and they really bring me down when I see them. I'm only just 40, I'm, erm, YOUNG for goodness sake compared with ninety year olds grin

Kewcumber Thu 22-Nov-12 23:13:05

People didn't smile at you until you had Botox? shock

I'm 47 with my share of lines - people smile at me all the time

I'm not anti- botox for others - knock yourselves out, but not for me thanks. I have enough scars and health issues as it is without taking even a tiny additional risk to make my skin smoother.

notlaughinglines Thu 22-Nov-12 23:54:57

It's all about how you perceive things though isn't it Kew?

I've suffered from chronic self-esteem my whole life, probably due to an older sister who physically and emotionally abused me until I was lucky enough to leave home.

If you, like me, were told your whole childhood that you were ugly, disgusting and adopted because no one else could bear looking at you etc., looks become a focal point of your unhappiness with yourself.

I know you will now be thinking, well therapy would have been better, and yes, I have had therapy! To the point that I'd just got to the point of actually liking what I see in the mirror, but bugger I'm now 40 and getting wrinkly (earlier than I wanted and I think caused by my old stupid fault).

So sue me because I now want to improve, quite easily, what I've been too late in realising I like!

I am sorry for your health issues though.

FunBagFreddie Fri 23-Nov-12 09:07:26

Sounds good OP. I'm only 35, but I have those verticle lines between my eyebrows that make me look like I'm a bit cross all the time.

The only thing that puts me off is the fact that it's expensive and it doesn't seem to last that long.

Question for botox users - how long does each treatment really last?

Cybbo Fri 23-Nov-12 09:12:24

I had mine done about 2 months ago and I'm starting to see faint lines reemerging so will prob have another around Xmas if I can afford it.

I know some folk can go for 6 mths before another lot. Bitches

Cybbo Fri 23-Nov-12 09:13:05

BUt forgot to add, my deep deep line in between eyebrows has NEVER come back. Just lines on forehead

GetorfsaMotherfuckingMorrisMan Fri 23-Nov-12 10:59:26

Mine lasts ages - a good 8 or 9 months or so.

I thinl the cost is negligible. I never buy any potions to put on my skin other than sunblock and lidl moisturiser, so think it is more cost effective than some shite from Estee Lauder or whateveR at 50 a pop every few months.

My eyelids are starting to droop - I look like eeyore. Botox is not going to help that is it?

BobblyGussets Fri 23-Nov-12 12:16:37

I have horizontal lines on my forehead and I am only just 40 shock. I would help with that, wouldn't it, as well as for number 11s?

FunBagFreddie Fri 23-Nov-12 14:48:22

8 - 9 months is actually very good. Although I couldn't justify shelling out for it every couple of months. Mind you, I'm only bothered about the lines between the eyebrows, but I imagine that once you start you want more!

GetorfsaMotherfuckingMorrisMan Fri 23-Nov-12 14:55:11

No, I don't think that I want more now I have started. I don't want to get rid of all lines, just the fan of lines going out from between my eyebrows caused by permafrowning.

I have lines from my nose to mouth, and crows feet are starting, but I have no desire for fillers or any of that gubbins.

noddyholder Fri 23-Nov-12 15:01:02

4-5 months here.Like cybbo the number 11 went and never came back. I have lots of health problems and other scars but I still want to look good even if I am falling apart!

Kewcumber Fri 23-Nov-12 16:00:59

notlaughing - my post genuinely wasn't a passive aggressive why would anyone do that. It was comment on why I wouldn't. I live with enough risks without adding more for the possibility of having the odd line or two less. I won't sue you I really don't have any issue with anyone else doing it!

I am however very confident that people - if they do indeed smile more at you after botox - do so because you smile more at them not because you are less lined and therefore more attractive.

Kewcumber Fri 23-Nov-12 16:03:03

Getorf - the cost is not negligable. If you don't have the money then you don't. A tub of nivea is just as likely to keep your face moisturised as Estee Lauder so you don't need to spend £50 a month to keep your skin in good condition. Cleanse with olive oil and then cheapest moisturiser - job done.

GetorfsaMotherfuckingMorrisMan Fri 23-Nov-12 16:08:36

The cost is negligible to me - in comparision to what I could spend. I am not saying that it is an essential that everyone should be able to afford, I presumed that was clear. hmm

IslaValargeone Fri 23-Nov-12 16:12:17

I'm bumping my cautionary tale, I am one of the people who have bad side effects, sometimes I think it is worth reminding folks that the small statistics that practioners gloss over, do exist.

Speedos Fri 23-Nov-12 16:41:32

I've been having it for 8 years and it lasted longer when I was younger! I am 35 and this last lot I had wore off after 6 weeks so I went back and she did it again for me for free. I think the problem is I am exercising every day and I think this makes it wear off quicker. When I haven't been exercising it would last 3 months max.

noddyholder Fri 23-Nov-12 16:42:14

Too much computer apparently wears it off v quickly No scrolling for me!

IslaValargeone Fri 23-Nov-12 16:47:13

Still hoping there will be some advances made for alternatives, I was reading a while ago about REX but nothing seems to have materialised.

noddyholder Fri 23-Nov-12 16:56:57

Isla I was very ill a few days after the 3rd time I had it. I was convinced it was the botox and laid off it. But nothing since so maybe I just had a fluey thing?

IslaValargeone Fri 23-Nov-12 17:09:08

That's good, you were brave to give it another go. I had Herman Munster brow, droopy lids, flu type symptoms and the squitters to name just a few.
I wouldn't risk it again. I'm learning to embrace my 11's until I can source something else. lives in hope

FunBagFreddie Fri 23-Nov-12 17:36:19

GetorfsaMotherfuckingMorrisMan I have those lines too. I can't help pulling that expression forwning whenever I think about something!

I don't care about the other lines, but the ones between my eyebrows are starting to really bother me.

Pendulum Fri 23-Nov-12 17:46:40

I don't have number 11s, I have one deep horizontal line between my eyebrows. I think my forehead is going to slip over my eyes one day. I haven't worked out yet whether Botox would be suitable for that- does anyone know?

I reckon most people my age disguise that line (if they have it) by needing to wear glasses most of the day. Sadly, I have 20:20 vision grin

noddyholder Fri 23-Nov-12 18:55:18

Can you deepen the line by squinting?

Pendulum Fri 23-Nov-12 19:36:30

Not sure and no mirror handy- is that the test for it to succeed? I can only make it smooth out by raising both eyebrows and looking surprised.

I've also wondered whether Botox would get rid of the ^ ^ marks above my eyebrows. I don't really have furrows, just these funny things.

It all looks a lot worse when I haven't had enough sleep (i.e. every day)

Rollergirl1 Fri 23-Nov-12 21:16:05

I'm considering having it too. I'm 38 (nearly 39) and generally look quite young but deffo have the 11's.

Where do you guys go to? You can get it done at dentists nowadays can't you? And how much should you expect to pay?

Also has anyone had any detriment effect? They always used to say with botox that when you freeze one particular set of muscles that others end up working more.

notlaughinglines Fri 23-Nov-12 23:14:48

not passive aggressive kew, but the tone was defo a bit off, no worries though

does the squint/frown test tell you if the botox would work then gerorf?

I can definitely make my under eye ones more pronounced when I smile, does that mean it would work? (I'm desperate!)

ppeatfruit Sat 24-Nov-12 12:50:41

Well I have given myself a 'natural' facelift; after loosing nearly 3 stone on the Paul Mckenna way of eating combined with the Blood type Diet I have been told I look 15 years younger. If you don't put poison in your body by eating shxx food and you also quit binge drinking and smoking then your skin improves amazingly.

I also do acupressure every day which has resculpted my face (no double chin, darker irises and whiter whites, thicker hair that has stopped dropping out honest !!!! less grey eyebrow hairs etc.)

ProcrastinatingPanda Sat 24-Nov-12 13:21:57

rollergirl you should try and get it done from a practitioner who is a qualified doctor too, that way if anything goes wrong they'll be able to fix it and you're less likely to get dodgy stuff.

topsi Sat 24-Nov-12 14:18:41

there are many nurses out there doing just as good a job as doctors

Kewcumber Sat 24-Nov-12 15:21:17

the tone was defo a bit off but surely on the internet tone comes from how you read as much as how you write?

Anyway the point I wanted to make (because really it matters not one jot to me if anyone has botox or plastic surgery or spends £1,000's on creams) is that people don't smile more at you if you have botox. You might be smiling more at them because you feel more confident but I beleive cosmetic surgery/procedures (unless you have some serious disfigurements) only have an effect on the person who has them.

LightHousekeeping Sat 24-Nov-12 15:34:36

I had it ten years ago and thought it was amazing.

Im thinking of getting it done as a Christmas present to myself. Does anyone know of a good practitioner in either North London or Sheffield? I know thats abit random but Im going up there for a girly weekend and could get it done there. My moisturisers costs £55 a pop although it lasts ages I do think some good botox will save me money and give me back some of the confidence I seem to be lacking these days.

Snog Sun 25-Nov-12 08:27:12

Suspect kew has hit the nail on the head here and doesn't deserve comments made

mercury7 Sun 25-Nov-12 12:52:02

it takes about 2 weeks for botox to reach full effect, as the substance binds with the muscle tissue, it wears off gradually, taking 3-4 months for the paralysis to disappear.
The facial muscles treated will atrophy over time and you will develop different facial expression 'habits' so that for instance frowning just isnt on the menu so much.

Depending on how deep they are to start with the creases in your face (crows feet, brow lines, frown lines)will dropout as you are no longer making the facial expressions which cause the creases

HoleyGhost Sun 25-Nov-12 13:17:40

Watching tv lately I have been looking out for women with frown lines - I have seen none.

I really do look cross all the time, I think it affects how people respond to me. Once I'm done with having dc, I'll be having botox

digerd Sun 25-Nov-12 14:24:33

It all depends on your bonestructure.
I had botox for the frown lines inbetween the eyebrows above the nose, which made me look stressed and grumpy, and it worked brilliantly. I have a narrow forehead and when I raised my eyebrows, I had 11 horizontal wrinkles, which didn't bother me so much as the grumpy vertical frown lines. Only had it done a few times but now have only 4 horizontal wrinkles, but the dreaded frown lines have changed to 2 bulges on each side instead. Am now too old to be bothered. It costs around £400 each time now, and my daughter has it now and again and is delighted with it. Once the lines become permanent, they cannot be eradicated, only "filled in." I know several 80-90 year-olds with no lines at all who have never had botox.

perplexedpirate Sun 25-Nov-12 14:34:17

I love my Botox! I look younger, happier, I'm more confident, it's great! gringrin

bettybleep Sun 25-Nov-12 15:07:57

I want to inject my frown lines with poison in the name of vanity.. Any recommendations for Epsom/Kingston way?

ppeatfruit Sun 25-Nov-12 15:58:54

holey some of them on Telly may not have frown lines but they don't look like themselves any more (i know it's the knife plus botox) but if Olivia Newton John, Felicity Kendal and Lulu think they look good well they look effing terrible to me (it's strange ''cos I'd have thought they could afford a really good job) they don't look younger IMO just ridiculous.

There must be a lot of plastic surgeons laughing their way to the bank.

mercury7 Sun 25-Nov-12 16:03:00

even with unlimited money there is (as I understand it) a limit to what surgery and the various cosmetic techniques can acheive

ppeatfruit Sun 25-Nov-12 16:20:58

Is the new DNA based botox readily available yet? (I remember it being discussed a couple of years or so ago).

smilingnotfrowning Mon 26-Nov-12 17:41:47

Just catching up on this again following laptop problems. I think that it is definitley worth considering if you have quite a lined forehead - which I did. This tended to make me look cross or worried. That's why I think people are tending to smile at me more... because my smile doesn't look like a frown with botox. I just got fed up with being told not to worry etc.

Yes, I think there's a small risk of allergic reaction. The risk of droopy eye can be (I think) eliminated by choosing someone with expertise in the musculature of the face. And who is expert in having facial injections. My dentist, Sarah Hodgson (Greenwood Dental Surgery in Altrincham) did mine and I have to say I think having her was what gave the courage. She's the head dentist there and very experienced etc. There's no way I would have walked off the street into a beauty spa for it. I think its quite hard to find someone you feel confident about. People don't generally tell their friends if they've had botox so that doesn't help.

mignonette Mon 26-Nov-12 17:42:49


Speedos Mon 26-Nov-12 18:11:30

So is your name Sarah Hodgson by any chance?

ProcrastinatingPanda Mon 26-Nov-12 19:00:47

<waves at Sarah>

smilingnotfrowning Mon 26-Nov-12 22:36:35

No, I think its true that people don't talk about it in real life and I did strugggle myself to find the right person. Personally I felt it was important to go to a doctor or dentist as I can understand the level of training that they have.

laptopdancer Tue 27-Nov-12 07:24:52

I would love Botox but for me, it's the big question that no-one has asked yet.........does it look worse when it wears off?

ppeatfruit Tue 27-Nov-12 12:11:13

Yes laptop especially if you go on having it; a good example is Siri O'neal You know the ex corrie star who's in Crickley Hall now (I might 've go her name wrong) she's got lumps on her forehead like Digerd is describing upthread.
hello digerd BTW grin

mercury7 Tue 27-Nov-12 12:52:33

when the effects wear off the crows feet and frown lines etc will start to form againas the muscles that caused them become active again.
You wont look worse than if you'd not had it..generally people who start having botox continue with it so the lines dont get chance to reform

laptopdancer Tue 27-Nov-12 12:59:33

ah, the only reason I ask is that recent reports seem to suggest that if you start botox too early, then the ageing effect can appear greater.

mercury7 Tue 27-Nov-12 13:04:20

i've not seen those reports so cant comment..have you a link? smile

laptopdancer Tue 27-Nov-12 13:08:17

No, I read it in a magazine at the hairdressers. High level stuff this.

mercury7 Tue 27-Nov-12 13:25:43


MummyAbroad Tue 27-Nov-12 13:35:34

grin @ laptop

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