Rant. Hair. frizzy. why don't hairdressers listen

(126 Posts)
kelpeed Sat 06-Oct-12 04:49:15

My hair was cut yesterday. It is thick and wavy and turns to frizz when short.

I provided a photo showing a cut like Jo Grant's in Dr Who (Jon Pertwee). a bit layered, medium longish, and with each of the layers curling with their own length.

I asked that NO thinning scissors or razors be used, just the scissors. I also said I'm not going to be a slave to a hairdryer, so please cut the hair so it will be low maintainence. But did they listen?

I came out looking like Jennifer Anniston. AGAIN. With wispy ends and edges and hair all blow-dried straight.

Once it is washed I will look like a witch, with lots of ends flying in all directions. I will then wear it up in a bun for work, or a ponytail, so it looks relatively neater, and then it will be at least another year before I brave going into another hairdresser.

I hate this. It happens most of the time.

Hairdressers always bloody whip out the thinning scissors, and trim the edges around my face and at the ends so it looks and feels like I have feathers. They say the thinning scissors are important to make sure the ends arent noticed, and I get made to feel like I'm some sort of lower life form if I don't agree. I have never been to the same hairdresser twice in the last 10 years because I end up with this awful Jennifer cut.

I always end up asking myself these questions afterwards.

Why do hairdressers use the thinning scissors on curly/wavy/frizz-prone hair?

Why don't hairdressers bloody listen ? Or- what should i be doing differently besides relying on photoes which they seem to ignore ? Are there any special terms that I need to use to get them to listen apart from NOT the Jennifer A. look? I repeat-Showing a photo does NOT work.

What it is with the feathery jagged edge ends? I dont like it (on me).

Why do they expect me to blow dry my hair to make it flat when I have clearly wavy/curly hair?

When are teach hairdressers going to learn new haircuts, besides the Jennifer?

If any MNetters have answers to these please share - but not if it involves using a blowdryer or spending money on antifrizz/keratin stuff for my hair.

kelpeed Sat 06-Oct-12 04:52:28

plse ignore some of the typoes. delete teach. to read when are hairdressers going to learn new haircuts...

HoleyGhost Sat 06-Oct-12 05:08:02

Watching with interest. No answers though

ClaudiaSchiffer Sat 06-Oct-12 05:18:47

I feel your pain Kelpeed. I too am cursed blessed with thick wiry frizzy hell hair and get totally conflicting advice from different hairdressers. Usually they layer it and try and feather it round the face but I put a stop to that quick smart.

Last time though, the hairdresser cut it in a blunt chin length bob and although it needs a run through with the straightening irons when washed, I am hopeless at blow drying - surely you need an extra set of hands?! It can look quite nice now.

Have you got any friends with similar hair which looks nice who can recommend a hairdresser?

WandaDoff Sat 06-Oct-12 05:23:11

No answers, but watching with much interest.

50smellsofshite Sat 06-Oct-12 06:43:20

I totally agree. I get the same hair cut no matter who I go to. And I always have my hair straightened within an inch of its life. Which I have no intention of doing on a daily basis. There is never a discussion about what to do with 'my' hair. Just an opportunity to make my hair temporarily look like everyone else's.

kelpeed Sat 06-Oct-12 06:50:19

thanks replies.

ClaudiaS your suggestion for word of mouth recomendations is good and yep, I'm forever on the look out. BUT my pal with similar hair uses a hairdresser on the other side of town (about an hour's drive each way). I am keeping my ears peeled for a hairdresser closer to me. I have found a few but they have moved away. sigh.

It just seems to me the wavy/curly/frizz prone hair people seem to have less choices in hairdressers unless they go with a straight hair style which requires more effort every single day to make and keep it straight -which is not its preferred state. Which brings me back to the point about hairdressers learning how to produce a style which is allowed to be wavy/curly rather than dead straight as per the Jennifer Aniston look as per link.


when i wanted cuts like this. and my hair will curl to fit these styles.


or this.

or this

or this

So. why do I seem to always come out of hairdressers with the Jennifer haircut when i show them the above cuts? What am I doing wrong? Are all these cuts the same cut as the Jennifer? Are thinning scissors used for these?

ClaudiaSchiffer Sat 06-Oct-12 07:29:21

Out of interest what products do you use.

Products really are my friend. Also shit hair like ours does need a bit of work (or a 'fuck you' attitude when I can't be arsed to style it - or indeed a hat for really bad days). I think all of those styles you linked to were layered and drenched in balms, oils and waxes and then tonged to within an inch of their lives.

I use Morroccan oil (love the smell) and then a light straighten followed by a tiny bit of smoothing wax or I end up looking like this nb this is not me!

ClaudiaSchiffer Sat 06-Oct-12 07:31:28

Hahahahahahaa how funny that link is TOTALLY from another thread blush

am trying again

sleeplessinderbyshire Sat 06-Oct-12 07:36:50

i have frizzy/curly nightmare hair but my hairdresser (and my old one when I lived elsewhere) have always listened, understood and made it look fab. I'd keep shopping around and suggest talking to them but not taking pictures with you to confuse them

sleeplessinderbyshire Sat 06-Oct-12 07:38:21

PS looking at your links I think the differences are in the styling (ie blow dry, curlers, straighteners, products) NOT in the cutting

Himalaya Sat 06-Oct-12 07:43:49

It's because hairdressers are not trained to cut curly hair. They are trained to wet it and comb it straight which makes it really hard to cut it into a style that will suit it curly.

Older/ more experiences/ more senior hairdressers are usually better (although more expensive) than younger ones who have just been taught 99 ways to cut straigt hair. They just don't know what to do so they revert to Jennifer Anniston.

There are hairdressers who can cut curly. Ask when you make an appointment, who is good at curly hair styles. If they say "everyone" then walk away. Look ou for stylists with curly hair. Or best of all ask anyone you see with good curly hair who cuts it.

Emphasise when you get it cut that you are not going to blow dry it at home and they should not blow dry it - this should at least make it clear that you want a style which looks good everyday not just

oohnewshoes Sat 06-Oct-12 07:48:40

I couldn't have said it better myself op. I think all hairdressers are brain washed to believe everyone wants a J A.

I have the same hair as you and even when you find a hairdressers who cuts it right once, they seem to have forgotten by next time.

tbh though, most of your links look like their hair has been tonged. disclaimer my hair is v curly and would never look like that without a lot of work

sparkleyes Sat 06-Oct-12 07:49:06

I have naturally curly hair which I now straighten out of choice lol! When it was curly though I found my hairdressers were great.

Do you go with curly hair ie they can see your natural curl before they start?

Bit 80s but do you have a diffuser? Mouse or curly cream and dry upside down with diffuser is quite low maintenance really even with my straight cut my hair goes super curly like this. If I want loose lovely waves however I find I have to straighten or curling tongues to get like some of those pics you linked to, my curls are naturally wild!

BikeRunSki Sat 06-Oct-12 07:50:29

I go to a local.village salon, and have for years. They know me, my hair and mg lifestyle. They always do _what I want - they have no agenda, trend, cut of the month etc to follow.

Lottapianos Sat 06-Oct-12 07:52:58

I feel your pain OP. Most hairdressers are clueless with curls. I agree that thinning scissors are evil. I have a fab hairdresser (after 20 years of shit ones!), she's in East London, don't know if that's any good to you, happy to PM you with details

crosstraineraddict Sat 06-Oct-12 07:56:19

I have the exact same problem! I now refuse to allow a hairdresser to use thinning scissors on my hair as they just make my hair split and go twice as frizzy. Generally now if I book in with a new salon/stylist I say at the time of booking that I don't want thinning scissors used. If they moan or start giving me 101 reasons to use them then I just don't book there.

I would say your links are all straight hair that has been styled, rather than natural curls. Have you tried a very cheap basic hairdresser ere they might do as you say rather than trying to be fancy?

cakebot Sat 06-Oct-12 08:12:14

Yes I have the same problem! I walk into the hairdressers with my extremely thick, curly hair, say 'Please don't cut the layers too short, it really bounces up' and they never seem to believe me! I have been to expensive hairdressers and IME they are the worst because,as others have said, they are trained to cut straight hair, and people who want straight hair. I feel like I have had a personality change with straight hair, as well as it taking about an hour to straighten. I don't want straight hair!

I now go to a cheap Turkish hairdressers now. I think Greek and Turkish hair is quite thick and sometimes curly, so the hairdressers know how to cut it properly. I live in North London though, where they have a large Greek and Turkish community, so easy to find.

CeeceeBloomingdale Sat 06-Oct-12 08:54:19

I have thick frizzy hair and it really needs either straighteners or curling tong to look its best. I have mine cut blunt but then thinned for the last couple of inches but ONLY in a 'sandwich' layer so not underneath where I might tie it up and not on the top so it looks all the same length. Layers are awful on me but this way it looks smooth but not triangular.

RollerCola Sat 06-Oct-12 09:02:25

Oh god I'm stressing now because I've got my first hair appt in over a year booked for 10.30 this morning and I'm shitting it! My hair is curly too but I've only started wearing it curly in the last year so I've no idea what to ask for now.

I have got an appt with an 'older gentleman' who has promised me he knows about curly hair so I'm putting my life in his hands. Will report back later & let you know what he's done.

crosstraineraddict Sat 06-Oct-12 09:08:05

I don't mean to offend anyone on here who's a hairdresser, as I'm sure not all hairdressers are like this, but in general most of the hairdressers I have been to have all had a slightly superior attitude. The kind of attitude where they think I can't possibly know what I want for my own hair, and that they know best. Almost a judgemental, sneery way about them.

My hair gets very split by thinning scissors, and I've then been to other hairdressers who've moaned at me and lectured me about the condition of my hair, when it was fine before the dreaded thinning scissors. And the fact that I generally have to use straighteners on it because of the cut doesnt' help its condition either.

BigFatLegsInWoolyTIghts Sat 06-Oct-12 09:08:09

I am the same as you. I've tried ALL styles...had the whole thinning/frizz experience umteen times.

Now I have mine longish with some layers at the front...and a fringe. It's the only way. I need the weight to pull it down so it's not MASSIVE all the time.

If I was more glam I would have huge, wavy 70s style hair. BUt I can't be arsed.

Be happy you have plenty of hair. Some women are short of it and that's hard.

BigFatLegsInWoolyTIghts Sat 06-Oct-12 09:09:03

I travel 10 miles to my hairdresser who has one of those tiny, cheap salons in a small housing estate...she also has hair like me..

Meglet Sat 06-Oct-12 09:30:17

This does my head in too.

1. My hair might look 'only' wavy but that's because it's long and the weight keeps it under control. I have to lay down the law at the hairdressers to not layer it too short as it just springs up like a telephone cable.

2. No hairdryers or diffusers can go within a mile of my hair. Sometimes, despite me asking them not to a hairdresser thinks a diffusers will give me lovely swooshy curls. They are always proved wrong <rolly eyes, frizzy hair smug face>. I can cope leaving the salon with damp hair tied back, I'm not going to get a chill!

MoomieAndFreddie Sat 06-Oct-12 10:01:22

Oh I thought I was the only one!!

I too have curly hair that I used to straighten the life out of or tie back when wet to "hide" the curl....but then I thought, you know what, curly hair is ME and I am not going to try and change it anymore!

So in the last few months I have been wearing it curly, but have found that hairdressers are CLUELESS with curly hair, they just blindly assume EVERYONE wants poker straight hair sad

So what I do now is go in wearing it curly and firmly explain THIS is how I wear it, and I want them to cut it so it looks good down and curly. You do have to be firm with them though as most of them just can't believe anyone would VOLUNTARILY have curly hair hmm

kelpeed Sat 06-Oct-12 11:32:27

hey -lots of responses! Sorry for my delayed followup but I've just returned from a long walk to see i'm not alone! big thanks to everyone for their views.

I agree the price of the haircut has nothing to do with quality - my fave cuts have been with my local (but now sadly departed) cutters.

Also agree that many hairdressers have an attitude, and I also assume they know more about hair than I do (which isnt very hard) so I always let them talk me into a style which makes me look like a fright ten minutes after I walk out of their door. When they give me a cut which needs styling , why don't they go with something that is curly, not flat.

Next time i have a haircut (next year probally) i will first reread this thread, strap on some, and say firmly no thinning scissors thank you.and hold the line if need.

(side thought - I wonder if the sellers of thinning scissors have a lot to answer for. another even sillier side thought -does JA get any royalities when people get her haircut.)

For those that were heading off to headdressers (Rollercola) I'd love to hear how it went and whether you tried to ask that the cutter not use thinning scissors.

coocoocawhooOOOOO Sat 06-Oct-12 11:45:28

Ooh, I feel your pain. I have now become a dab hand at a big roller brush and a hair dryer to get something akin to one of the examples above. Without this though, I woould need straighteners as all the fly away end bits suddenly go all afro if left un-heattreated damnit!

I have a friend who just washes her hair and leaves it to dry with no products and it goes all softly wavy and angelic - love her but can't help thinking what a cow bag!!!

I always come home from the hairdressers looking like The Stig with a crash helmet for a head, it is so bouffant.

I go straight home and jump in the shower.

MoomieAndFreddie Sat 06-Oct-12 11:58:43

What actually ARE thinning scissors? And what are they supposed to DO? they sound like instruments of torture confused

RollerCola Sat 06-Oct-12 12:01:26

I've just come back. It went very badly sad I can't even speak just yet so will have some lunch & then tell you when I've calmed down.

brighthair Sat 06-Oct-12 12:21:16

I found a hairdresser and asked who was good with curly hair, my stylist has curly hair and she is amazing with it. Doesn't moan when I leave with wet hair - I hate it when they dry it, I end up with huge huge hair which I don't want. F I fancy a change she will straighten it (no easy task) at no extra charge

Meglet Sat 06-Oct-12 12:27:45

There was a funny thread on here quite a while ago about hairdressers being crap with curly hair. I think photos of Whitesnake and Bon Jovi were linked to.

I look like Slash if someone goes at my hair with a hairdryer hmm.

RollerCola Sat 06-Oct-12 12:39:57

The guy I booked the appt with (never been before myself, only take ds there now & again to the barbers) assured me that he was experienced with curly hair. He is the salon owner & in his 60s so I decided that he knew what he was doing.

He took a look at it first and decided that as it wasn't that curly that he'd wash it first rather than cutting it dry. Fair enough, it's not mega curly but at worst its very wavy and with some encouragement it's fairly curly.

He washed it and discussed layers - agreed that he'd put some long layers in to encourage the lower curls. So far so good. He then diffused it to 'see how curly it actually was' He dried each section by fluffing it up in the diffuser confused until I looked like some kind of demented poodle hmm. He then poofed it about and I could tell he was starting to panic.

He then started umming and aaahing about it really not being that curly (it is, but by now it wasn't) and that it was terribly dry. He asked me if I used straighteners - I started to say that I used to straighten it ever day until about a year ago but he interrupted and said 'ah well if you straighten it every day that'll be why it's so dry'. I explained that I actually haven't used straighteners for over a year now & he backtracked & said it must be all the bleach. I said I only get it coloured once every 3 mths or so. He then said I mustn't be conditioning it enough etc etc etc (I do, all the things he said I should do)

He then decided that he needed to blow dry it as it looked so shit as it was very frizzy so he blowed it with a big brush and attempted to create waves.

I've come out looking, as you, like Jennifer Anniston but which he said looked lovely and very 'beach-tousled' and 'glamourous'. It feels like straw which it really didn't when I went in.

I'm desperately hoping that once I've washed it again the layers at least will be what I was hoping for. Sorry this really isn't the story you were hoping for, but just another shit curly hairdo to add to the hoards of others angry

If anyone can recommend a good hairdresser in the NW please let me know as I'm now close to having it all cut off and going back to the ghds.

kelpeed Sat 06-Oct-12 12:50:50

RollerC - sorry to hear it didnt go well. what happened ?<nosy>

I'd love to go in with photos of Bon Jovi, Jennifer A and/or Whitesnake just to see what I would come out with.

M&F - thinning scissors are scissors with one of the blades being in the shape of a comb so different lengths of hair are cut each time the blades go together.

SuperB0F Sat 06-Oct-12 12:54:26

Whereabouts in the NW? I believe Faye Lawless in Crosby (North Liverpool) is excellent- I got that recommendation on the Curly Girl website forums, I think. I've yet to bite the bullet though, as I love my cheap mobile hairdresser.

Kelpeed, I know you said not to recommend kerastase etc, but being the maverick that I am, I am going to insist you check out this very reasonably-priced treatment on Amazon. I get it before my hairdresser comes so she can put it in for me, as I can't face the laborious task myself: it's much easier if somebody else does it. You do need to put up with straightened hair for a couple of washes, but in my experience the curl returns quite quickly, and is about a million times smoother and easier to manage.

brighthair Sat 06-Oct-12 13:01:42

RollerC - I can recommend one in Preston and one in Bolton if either of those are any use?
Wash it and see, I hate mine when it's styled by someone else

pantaloons Sat 06-Oct-12 13:08:13

My hair is madly curly and I actually like it a lot now. It's got huge amounts of volume and I keep it just above shoulder level. Personally I like that it's a bit different and love that I can just wash it, bang some cream on and forget about it.

On the hairdresser/thinning scissors front the worst experience I've had is at a local salon. She basically got the thinning scissors against my scalp and hacked away. When I came out and ran my hands through my hair there were areas of stubble all over my scalp! Talk about a nightmare. I now never let any thinning scissors or razors near my hair and have found that for my hair the best bet is to not feather the front at all and have lots of mid length layers through the rest and not wear it any longer than me shoulders.

I do feel your pain op, I live in the NW and go to a local salon now. If you are anywhere near the staffs/cheshire border I would recommend him.

fuckadoodlepoopoo Sat 06-Oct-12 13:12:08

I have this problem.

I think curly hair has been so unfashionable for such a long time (like i give a shit! Individuality rules!) that a lot of people think curly hair is a fate worse then death!

I recently popped into my two local hair dressers to ask about mine being styled. I only ever get the bottoms trimmed (my dh does it!) and its pretty curly. Its random though so if i go to a wedding it might look nice, it might not. So I've been trying to find somewhere where i can get it done nice perhaps with a different sized curl.

The first one i went into looked really unsure and ummed and ahhed. The next one the woman on the desk was confident and sensible about what could be achieved. She also said that she styles another woman with hair just like mine every week.

Next time i have somewhere nice to go Im going to try her!

MarzipanAnimal Sat 06-Oct-12 13:54:55

I've had a similar problem and have started doing the MN haircut. It's made my hair curl much better (was just wavy/scruffy before), lots of people have asked what I've done to it. It's still a bit frizzy and doesn't look great after being slept on but I use Moroccan oil which helps a bit

kelpeed Sat 06-Oct-12 13:59:30

oops delayed x post.

RCola - sorry again!! - he said he was familiar with curly hair yes? it seems like he spent more time doing the blow drying than the actual cutting.

I will need to add this to my list of things to worry about before I head out for a haircut : how many return curly headed customers do you get?
At least poodles get to wear their curls, and with pride. <thinks about going to a dog hairdresser that does poodle cuts>

SBoF -thanks link. mavericks rule. I had a brazilian keratin treatment last year at a big expensive salon. it cost me lotsnlots. plus more lots. actually, more than twenty times that kit on amazon. spent six hours in chair being blow dried and ironed, and the smell! i nearly died. it lasted about six months, and apart from the monster price and that i lost 6 hours that I will never see again, i was mostly happy with it once the waves started to return ( about a month after th treatment) but my hair started to snap off in the middle where my ponytail elastic sat. I'd have tried this stuff if I hadnt had the salon treatment already, but now I am sure i don't want a repeat experience.

plus are curls not worthy of keeping? I am also a leetle reluctant to throw $$ at stuff.

pantalon stubble!! <faints> . i've done "zig zag" haircuts on my kids (only cos they move their heads to try to see how I am doing) but i've not done stubble.yet.

gladyoucame Sat 06-Oct-12 14:24:58

Brighthair could you let me know which hairdressers you recommend for curly hair in Bolton and Preston. Wearing it straight at the moment but would love a decent cut so I can wear it curly again.

brighthair Sat 06-Oct-12 16:08:22

Of course
Janet at Cutting It which is on Halliwell Road in Bolton (the smithills end of it)
And I can never remember the spelling so I will go with how she pronounces it! Michaela at Dotty Lines, Blackpool Road, Preston - although I've had other people there and not had a bad cut
I will say I don't like how any hairdresser dries my hair so I just have it cut. But it gets layered nicely, and sits well straight or curly, and I have proper "orphan Annie" ringlets

BikeRunSki Sat 06-Oct-12 20:20:47

The best haircuts I have ever had were £6 (cheap even in late 1990s) from a local salon in Sheffield, by a hairdresser with curly hair.

My worst was with Toni and Guy. Ni scissors were ever actually involved, but three branches (Newcastle, Leeds, Epsom) have all told me that they don't do curly hair.

fuckadoodlepoopoo Sat 06-Oct-12 21:20:21

Don't do curly hair?! That's outrageous! I wonder what percentage of people have curly hair!

DameSaggarmakersbottomknocker Sat 06-Oct-12 21:24:18

I've stuck with my hairdresser of 30 odd years for precisely this reason. She's the only who ever listened when I said it shrinks by half when it's dry and didn't send me out looking like a 70s popstar.

HumphreyCobbler Sat 06-Oct-12 21:29:04
Besom Sat 06-Oct-12 21:29:18

The only two hairdressers who have every cut my hair propertly have similar hair themselves.

sausagesandwich34 Sat 06-Oct-12 21:37:04

I don't have a problem with thining scissors but razors!

I've never had it razored before but went to a new salon, asked who was good with curly hair, was told one of the stylists had hair like mine so they would book me in with her

that was 2 years ago and I haven't worn it down since

I complained and have been having free cuts with the owner since and will do untill all the razoring has been cut out -he admitted that she shouldn't of gone near hair with my texture with a razor

it's like wire wool, curls up on itself -nightmare!

fuckadoodlepoopoo Sat 06-Oct-12 21:50:55

2 years!

sausagesandwich34 Sat 06-Oct-12 22:11:39

my hair is down to my bra strap, with layers starting just above my shoulders

if my hair is shorted than my shoulders it looks like a mushroom or helmet hair depending on the lack of style

she started the razoring just above my ears so it's taking a long time to grow out but I think 2 more cuts will do it -I've been going every 6 weeks since I had it butchered!

fuckadoodlepoopoo Sat 06-Oct-12 23:30:43

Do you see the stylist who did it in there? That must be awkward!

kelpeed Sun 07-Oct-12 03:41:27

thanks for the link, HumphreyC. I wish I had read your thread before my haircut. sad.

About one in twenty haircuts has worked for me, and from some of the comments, cutting curly hair nicely is possible. I am amazed that hairdressers don't do or learn how to cut curly hair. I didn't know this (only suspected hmm ) Why why why don't they? Many people have curly hair.

Message to haircutting schools- If those curly heads who get haircuts once a year (because they want to lower the risk of coming out with an unsuitable haircut) came in every six months instead, hairdressers might double their incomes . and there would be fewer people looking like JA. which might actually be nice for JA herself.

sleeplessinsuburbia Sun 07-Oct-12 04:24:23

I have a suggestion as my hair is very thick and wavy and frizzy. Apart from keeping hair past shoulder length for the first time in my life my hair is not frizzy and dry- in fact I now wash my hair twice a week!

Moroccan oil shampoo and conditioner for chemically colored hair- must be this brand not an "Argan oil" copy, it has a big M on it. After two weeks I would no longer consider my hair dry or frizzy. Now it's been two months I'm going to try a less moisturising one for normal hair. I did use the treatment conditioner twice as well.

mathanxiety Sun 07-Oct-12 05:11:09

You need to read Curly Girl by Lorraine Massey.

I haven't been to a hairdresser for about ten years. I snip split ends myself and maintain the basic shape. I cut my two curly haired DDs' hair too. You have to get a dry cut with curly hair. There is no way it can be cut while wet and especially not while wet and combed straight.

I wear mine curly, and follow the Curly Girl instructions (no shampoo, just conditioner basically) so it is well moisturised, not a ball of frizz.

IllageVidiot Sun 07-Oct-12 06:19:40

I'm another that cuts my hair myself!

I have a very odd collection of hair - poker straight at the front, resistant to any but the most aggressive threats, kink at the roots just behind my fringe and then BAM curls and waves and god knows what other concocotions go on when I'm not looking. Bizarre. It's very fine hair and there is loads of it...ridiculous amounts of it actually. No hairdresser has ever managed to give me a cut that doesn't make me look like a tit unless I spend many monies and hours sat there while they blow dry and then straighten, look confused and straighten it again. It took nearly 3 hours to get through it all at home as I used to wear it long to try and weigh it down, even then it curled like I had ragged it overnight. It just didn't happen unless I had somewhere to be - i don't think many people have the time to do that everyday?! The hairdressers I asked that expected me to do it admitted they never would have the time.


MN haircut! Seriously, first time I did it I couldn't believe how much I loved it. The only change I make is bringing the bottom layer forward over my shoulders to keep the shape and taking some length off. It does curl, mine aren't tight but still a curl, but it follows the shape of my head because of how it's cut - it's also nice layers and face framing but one blunt cut across a ponytail so no thinning scissors. It poofs out into a really nice shape (unless I leave the bottom layer long, then as that is poker straight too, it looks like I'm trying to smuggle a mullet). I'm utterly converted. It will straighten into a nice cut but I can also leave it to dry and it just 'goes' perfectly. I use argan oil as I have no issues with sillicones and my frizz isn't dry hair but tiny kinks along the shafts that make me a golden mushroom, the oil is heavy enough to smooth it out.
Love it...not that you can tell. Sorry about the novel blush

RollerCola Sun 07-Oct-12 09:16:19

Just a little update on my cut from yesterday - not all hope is lost. Although he had no clue how to dry it (and was a complete nob-end but that's by-the-by) he has actually cut it quite well.

He has put a lot of layers in but I need that as mine isn't massively curly and the length weighs the curls down so now I've got loads of shorter bits to make them spring up. Once I washed and styled it myself yesterday it actually looked nice so I feel a lot better.

I'll be far to scared to go again for a long time though. May need to look into cutting it myself. I would also recommend Lorraine Masseys Curly Girl book, it's really helped me but still no hairdressers have a clue.

Starting to think I need to open a Curly salon!

MoomieAndFreddie Sun 07-Oct-12 11:46:50

What is this MN haircut you all speak of?

<feels like i should know about this> blush

RollerCola Sun 07-Oct-12 13:48:04


Not sure that link will work because I'm on my phone but if not look up 'celebrity scissorhands pony tail cut' on YouTube - it's Lee Stafford cutting.

BigFatLegsInWoolyTIghts Sun 07-Oct-12 15:22:03

DON'T do the MN haircut if your hair is thick. I did and looked JUST like Suzie Quatro.

BigFatLegsInWoolyTIghts Sun 07-Oct-12 15:23:10
fuckadoodlepoopoo Sun 07-Oct-12 17:05:35
fuckadoodlepoopoo Sun 07-Oct-12 17:06:33

Watched the video. Didn't realise it would result in a fringe. In my experience fringes and curly hair don't mix!

Drizzleit Sun 07-Oct-12 17:59:55

Bikerunski where's the place in Sheffield that does curly hair? I'm in Penistone but I'll happily drive half an hour for a decent hair cut!

sleeplessinderbyshire Sun 07-Oct-12 21:21:07

hi Drizzleit if you need a hairdresser in Sheffield who is brilliant with curly and frizzy hair try Sarah at Capelli on Hunter's Bar roundabout. I went to her for many may years (even a while after moving away from sheffield!) and she is brilliant

Themilkybarisonme Sun 07-Oct-12 21:53:05

I have this hair! But I have it cut beautifully in a way that suits either straight or naturally dried and curly at Pierre Alexandre in Manchester. Don't know how they do it. They're a teaching place too, and it stands to reason as they really know their stuff. I pay about £50 for a cut and blow once every 2-3 months and my hair is mid-back length.

BookFairy Sun 07-Oct-12 22:10:26

I can sympathise as I had my curly hair cut too short in June 2010. Frigging nightmare. Left it far too short and frizzy. I was gutted sad and it's taken me ages to get my curls back. I now get my hair cut in Blackheath (London) 3 times a year when I'm down there as she knows how to cut curly hair. I'm actually afraid to try a new hairdresser where I now live in the NW!

mistlethrush Sun 07-Oct-12 22:20:06

I can recommend someone in Leeds if anyone wants one - I've been going to him for 20 yrs now - he cuts wet but knows what he's doing - and after I've rewashed it the following day (my hair hates being messed about with when its drying) it looks good. Cutting mine dry would be like hedge cutting - there would always be a bit that wasn't right (and mine wouldn't ever dry straight... and curls up when its washed blush)

sausagesandwich34 Sun 07-Oct-12 22:21:59

ooo Leeds you say....

er1507 Sun 07-Oct-12 23:40:42

As a hairdresser I'm finding this thread quite funny, and I don't mean it to offend anyone.

I agree with other posters about the links being styling and not the cut. your hair would prob go like that if you styled it that way. unfortunately with curly hair it hard to get it to look different in its natural state (depending on how curly it is) so styling may be required for the look you want.

Oh and the only time I use thinning scissors is on gents and the "Jennifer" cut isn't actually something were taught ;)

BigFatLegsInWoolyTIghts Sun 07-Oct-12 23:45:30

I don't think that's true er. And if it is, then why don't hairdressers style it like the picture presented by the OP?

Ohhelpohnoitsa Mon 08-Oct-12 00:12:33

this all rings so true. i always ask gor it. smoothed out with big bouncy curls. 8 times out of yen that results. in poker straight hideous fake hair that does not suit me at all. the thinning scissots really annoy me to - i have banned them. the last place i went to was a. groupon voucher and i left looking worse than when i went, honestly. she had not got a clue.

Themilkybarisonme Mon 08-Oct-12 02:35:56

I went to a place once to have my hair set in rollers to make it curl in big, shiny corkscrews (as I had had done elsewhere previously). My hair is fine, curly, copious and long. They washed it with really nasty shampoo - all their products felt cheap and had an awful, fake grapefruit smell that was somehow really, really sweet too. They didn't give it time to dry properly then were confused when it was wet. I suggested they put me back under the dryer, but she didn't want to put back in the rollers she'd taken out but insisted on putting loads of random product on my wet hair and calling it done.
It was totally awful. It stank. It hung thick and heavy and rank around my head. It was sort of slimy. I can't tell you how bad it was. They charged me! I argued, pointed out I looked way better when I came in. "You can always wear it up" the manager said. Right.

I later had a snotty phonecall from him saying they'd decided I could come back in for another go. Err, no.

It took me three shampooings to get that stuff out, making me late for the school reunion I was going to. I still mentally swear at them when I walk past. They said, "why don't you want to let us sort it out if you're not happy? We've got alllll these professional products".

mariahchan Mon 08-Oct-12 04:49:48

I used to have the exact same problem with hairdressers as well, since I used to have frizzy/wavy hair that would defy gravity. Thanks to these incompetent hairdressers, I ended up getting a Brazilian blowout just to make my hair look less messy.

But if you want to keep the natural state of your hair, I would suggest using Kiehl's hair products, because it's very moisturising and frizzy hair is usually more dry compare to straight hair.

mathanxiety Mon 08-Oct-12 04:55:40

All curly hair is drier than straight. It really soaks up moisture, and can take far more conditioner than straight hair.

DD3 whose hair is long and very curly sometimes takes it when wet and forms two long sausage curls on either side of her head with it and lets it dry overnight. She shakes it out in the morning and ends up with Irish Dance style ringlets.

IllageVidiot Mon 08-Oct-12 05:42:02

I have a straight bit at the front so fringe fine, but you can move the ponytail to leave it longer at the front or actually just separate out that bit so you can cut it how you like. It's quite versatile. It is just such a simple way to get layers through the back without having to do a two mirror cha-cha or pull my hair round and sort of guess.

Tbh I do think it's just hair, and I can't do any worse than some of the shockers I've had. Once I started being brave it all very quickly made sense and can now change they cut as I want to but still end up doing the original version usually as it works well for me. Or maybe I'm jsy really, really tight? hmm

babybarrister Mon 08-Oct-12 06:52:42

I always choose hairdressers with curly hair or from cultures where there are lots of people with curly hair - Brazilians and other Latinos have worked for me!

7to25 Mon 08-Oct-12 07:44:41

I have had the same problems over many years but second the "ethnic" route.
My son, with very wiry curly hair used to have to get a "number" all over. Now he foes to a Turkish barber and gets a lovely cut.

er1507 Mon 08-Oct-12 07:54:43

bigfatlegs there must be a communication break down between the client and customer. Probably the result of a poor consultation. if you want to avoid the Jennifer then ask for less shaping around the face and even though you want it smooth ask them to blowdry with a round brush because you still need the volume. then it's down to how they dress the hair.

bike I can't believe THREE branches of Toni and guy said they don't deal with curly hair! That's so unprofessional!

HiHowAreYou Mon 08-Oct-12 08:01:14

I found a hairdresser I liked. One. I have wavy hair. Nobody had ever cut it in a way I liked before.

Her husband left her and she quit.

I am still not over it.


biryani Mon 08-Oct-12 08:21:33

I used to come out looking like Princess Di until I found my local, cheap place. They listen, know me and my lifestyle, and value my custom. If something goes wrong, or if I have DIY disaster at home, they will do their best to put it right.

I think expensive, fashionable salons are operated.

BonnyDay Mon 08-Oct-12 08:23:32

well i have currently got a huge chunk missing off one side of mine. she THINNED it and then i used tongs on it and a big chunk has slowly fallen out.

agree re the cutting in thing

RollerCola Mon 08-Oct-12 09:25:51

So are there any more hairdressers on here? Can you tell us what your training actually covers in regards to curly/wavy hair? I can't believe all blow drys involve drying hair straight, there must be some kind of technique for curly/wavy?

mistlethrush Mon 08-Oct-12 09:47:56

I can't believe so many of you can actually have your hair blow dried!!!

At most I can cope with the drier that's like an electric fire in a ring without lots of blow - but normally just leave my hair to dry. Any blow near it and I end up looking like Crystal tips.

ornellaia Mon 08-Oct-12 09:59:49

I have curly hair too and have always hated finding a new hairdresser, when I moved from Manchester to Lincoln I couldn't find a decent hairdresser so had to drive 2.5 hours back to the NW for a haircut! I've since moved to Sheffield and found a great stylist here. I let her do my DC's hair before mine so that I could see if she was any good blush

RollerCola Mon 08-Oct-12 10:05:49

ornellaia did you find a good one when you were in Manchester? I'm not far from there.

Meglet Mon 08-Oct-12 10:05:58

I second the Argan oil idea. I bought a bottle 18 months ago (mid MN Argan oil craze) and while it doesn't stop the frizziness it does seem to be in very good condition despite being quite long now.

I'm going to invest in more argan oil and maybe try taking hair trimming into my own hands.

kelpeed Mon 08-Oct-12 15:33:01

For everyone who has suggested the curly girl book (thanks) I've dug out a link for others to enjoy. the link is an expergated version, but nevertheless looks helpful for those trying to defray some of the costs of dodgy haircuts.


On consulting, just for the record, I actually do ask the hairdressers. It is not just a once-off problem - I've been asking them for over ten years. Hence the basis of the original rant. I bring my own photoes into the hairdresser, I ask them, sometimes several times, not to use the thinning scissors, but nope, the hairdressers overule me, and say I've got it all wrong, that style is not suitable for "my type of hair" they need to use the scissors/razor and then they say it's all in the styling and proceed to be "helpful" in pouring quanities of stuff through my hair, and showing me how to spend 30 minutes retro-torturing my hair into something which is flat - all dished up with the smuggy smug view that I'm delinquent in not devoting such time on my hair on a daily basis and I was letting my hair down.

I just want simplicity. Life is too short to spend 30 minutes in front of a mirror every fucking day melting under a heat gun when the kids are going feral in the background and I have a job to get to. Life is also too short trying to argue with hairdressers midhaircut (which I really don't like doing, cos they work on their feet all day long and I want to be a nice customer) and once I'm clamped into the chair i just cross my fingers and toes and pray that "this is the one".

AND, if I'm failing to communicate properly with the hairdresser, why have so many others jumped into this thread pretty much saying they have the same problem? Are they all not consulting properly? Or is it, now after reading the stories on this thread that there is a massive gaping hole the market for cutting curly hair? I wouldn't be swearing so much if some of my cuts had not so fucking expensive, but were still hideous.

So I take photos into the hairdresser showing people with curly/wavy hair. This means i want the haircut in the photo. but the cutters say they can't do the style shown for me, as that person has straight hair confused. Is it right to say that I can only have my hair styled into curls if my hair is straight to start with? and I have to have my hair styled flat becuse it is curly/ wavy?

I'm grumpy. my hair has gone very very witchy today. I am just living the part. BUT it's only hair, and really, I'm not going to die in a ditch it <breathes>

BikeRunSki Mon 08-Oct-12 18:13:21

mistlethrush where in Leeds?
ornelia where in Sheffield?

ornellaia Mon 08-Oct-12 22:26:32

RollerCola - Bramhall, so not quite Manchester, let me know if you want the details.
BikeRunSki - Serena at Nuba on West Street - she's brilliant, she trims the length with my hair wet, then dries it curly (and does a good job of it) and shapes it while it's curly.

mathanxiety Tue 09-Oct-12 04:39:52

There is a massive gaping hole in the market for cutting curly hair.

When I finally decided to take the law/scissors into my own hands it was because I was convinced there was some secret language only hairdressers knew and words that I had assumed had a specific meaning in English meant something completely different in hairdresser speak.

AngryBeaver Tue 09-Oct-12 04:50:48

I have just found a shampoo and contitioner called Melu, which is really good. My hairdresser used it and then gave me samples. Apparantly it is all natural ingrediants, so you could actually eat it! I wouldn't though! It seals down the hair shaft and seals it so there is no frizz.
It's not felt or looked this nice for a LONG time! I also got the serum to be applied after you have dried the hair, and then everyday. You can get it on Amazon,but they wont bloody ship here,so I have to buy it at Salon prices,grr! Still, I have got some hair confidence back!
Oh, I don't know if this is just me, but after a few times of using it, my hair started to feel greasy after I had washed it. So every 2nd/3rd wash,I mix equal amount of Melu shampoo in my hand with baking powder and massage it all in...perfect again!

RollerCola Tue 09-Oct-12 07:36:45

I've put a post on chat asking for input from hairdressers but so far there's only been one reply. From a curly-haired hairdresser who straightens her own hair sad

you need to find a hairdresser who can cut your hair to suit you. I would say long layers - not short.

In the pictures you posted those models have had their hair dried, rollers in and swooshed - those are not natural hair pics.

Where are you? I can recommend some fab hairdressers in my area, it has taken me many years to find my perfect hairdresser and they cut my hair to suit me.

Drizzleit Tue 09-Oct-12 08:36:59

Thanks sleepless I might give her a try, I quite like the idea of a decent haircut!

fuckadoodlepoopoo Tue 09-Oct-12 10:47:28

No hairdresser has ever dried my hair. They don't know how. They just look at it confused after wet cutting. Once they blow dried the ends and left the roots sopping wet. Looked great hmm

Once, they brushed it dry so it went huge and frizzy and cut it like that and then expected me to walk out like that! It like as enormous!

Is it really right that after going to a hair dressers who are supposed to make me look nicer, i come out every time looking an absolute mess and have to go home and do my hair myself?

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 09-Oct-12 10:56:30

I have reasonably curly hair and have been through the "I want it straight so will have a straight cut and then straighten it all the time" phase. I've just been in and the hairdresser sighed and said "But your hair is curly. It doesn't even look right straight." And she also told me off (in a good way) about the ridiculous highlights I had done last December which are only now growing out in the same way - "But you are a natural redhead. It doesn't suit you blonde." And she then gave me a lovely curly cut, which I could straighten if I ever felt the urge but it didn't need to be. It's slightly Andi Macdowell in 4 Weddings only not as early 90s, thank goodness. But it looks nice.

You need to find a hairdresser like that but I'm guessing you don't live anywhere near me grin

ScrambledSmegsEvilTwin Tue 09-Oct-12 11:01:09

One of my friends has a head full of tumbling curls, and her hair always looks great. I think she goes to a place in Notting Hill which specialises in curly hair. Unruly Salon/Studio?

If anyone on this thread is in London it might be worth it for you.

PS. My toddler DD has very short hair, but it's starting to grow curly now. Both DH and I have straight hair so we're really in the dark about how to dry it so that it goes curly, not frizzy/fluffy. Any tips please?

Nodecentnickname Tue 09-Oct-12 11:02:04

I'd love to have curly hair.

Mine is straight and very silky so nothing stays in it and a lot of products and blow during is required to get any kind of style!

THERhubarb Tue 09-Oct-12 11:09:06

Cut it yourself.

That's what I do. You can get away with this if you have curly hair. I comb all the hair over my head, go round with the scissors and then using a mirror I'll straighten back up and add the layers myself (usually just trimming existing layers).

Wash with conditioner only, don't use shampoo. Don't blow dry, comb it whilst wet and let it dry naturally. Whilst it's still damp, wet it again a little to damp down any frizzy ends and smooth a little conditioner into these.

Wash hair every other day. It can dry out if you wash it every day but will soon hang limp if you wash too infrequently.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid Tue 09-Oct-12 11:13:25

Rhubarb how can you not use shampoo? shock How does your hair get clean? <head itches at mere thought>

I knew a girl with incredibly curly hair who used to leave the conditioner in after shampooing and just let it dry on her hair. That seemed to work for her.

I would love to have a "head full of tumbling curls" rather than the part frizz/part straightish excuse for a barnet I've got sad. I think some straight heads possibly have an idealised view of curly hair!

UltraBOF Tue 09-Oct-12 11:36:49

You can wash with a silicone-free conditioner- rubbing at your scalp under warm water washes it just fine. Many curlies find that the SLS in most shampoos is simply too drying. I did it myself for months, but I now just use an SLS-free shampoo.

Solo Tue 09-Oct-12 11:48:31

Kelpeed where abouts are you? I've had success with several hairdressers. I have curly hair, but it's not thick.
My favourite ever hairdresser moved away to the Rutland area. Another lives in the North Kent area and works from home and recently, my 17 year old niece cuts mine. She's in her final year at college, but she seems to have a natural flair for cutting all hair, curly or straight. She cuts for pocket money at the moment and is in North West Kent if that's anywhere near you.

I have recently discovered Twisted Sista in one of the pound shops for shampoo, conditioner and curl activator. Love it on my hair.

Rhubarb are you the curly red head? if so...gorgeous locks! not sure I could go shampoo free though.

mistlethrush Tue 09-Oct-12 12:05:01

I've not shampooed mine for <hmm counts the weeks> about possibly 8 weeks - and tend to shampoo infrequently unless I've been swimming. The Naked Rescue conditioner is great. I only do it once a week or so though as it takes so long to dry and I don't like wandering around with wet hair for too long too often.

THERhubarb Tue 09-Oct-12 12:32:13

Hot water and conditioner will wash your hair just fine. If you get it right with the wash then you won't need to use that many products on your hair and it's the sheer volume of products used that can weigh hair down and make it greasy and grubby. Shampoo strips the natural oil of hair and dries it out, plus if you live in a hard water area, this is bad news.

Most people only leave conditioner in for a minute or so and that's not enough to replace those essential oils. Instead wash hair thoroughly in hot water with conditioner and rinse. Then let it dry naturally and apply a spot more conditioner to the ends of your hair whilst it's still damp. Comb through and style.

Solo - well I do have curly hair and I guess it is a bit reddish, but not sure if I'm the one you mean.

skandi1 Tue 09-Oct-12 12:47:35

The answer is a blunt cut. No layers, feathering, "softening" no nothing! BLUNT!

I don't have thick hair but very fine hair and if a hairdresser does the Jennifer aniston on me, it turns into thin wispy frizz crap which looks worse than awful and is impossible to style.

It took me a long time to work out the blunt cut thing. But now that I have I don't have any such problems any more. It also makes your hair easier and quicker to style. Plus the cut last longer before I need the hair dresser again.

I ask for square cut layers - same as blunt cut I think. no feathering, no thinning scissors nada! My hair is long, thick and sort of curly. A good hairdresser makes a world of difference.

mistlethrush Tue 09-Oct-12 13:08:04

No layers with mine! You must be joking! Even without a blowdry I'd be struggling to get through the door. <OK, perhaps its not that bad, but if its all the same length at the bottom its a good 6" wide/deep which looks as though I've got a tent perched on my head>

Solo Tue 09-Oct-12 14:05:59

Rhubarb, did you go to the London Christmas meet? if yes, then it's you, if not then no! smile

My Dd has very long, curly hair and I usually trim it once a year by washing, conditioning, adding a heat protector and straightening it before trimming 2-3 inches off. I'm toying with the idea of letting my niece do it this time, although I'm not sure as I don't want layers in it, just a straight cut.
Also, Dd's hair is washed once every 3 to 4 weeks only and as it is quite dry, I condition it thoroughly. I do know that quite a lot of people with curls leave conditioner in and it looks fine. Not sure how it would look on blond hair though.

THERhubarb Tue 09-Oct-12 15:47:49

Might have done....... blush

Solo, I personally wouldn't leave the conditioner in as it can weigh down hair and make it hang limp. Rinse out and end with a blast of cold water to stimulate the hair follicles and give her hair body. Then rub a little conditioner on the palms of your hands and smooth over her hair, combing it right in from roots to tips.

You can also try olive oil in a spray mixed with warm water (just a drop of olive oil is needed) and spray this evenly over dry hair to revitalise it.

mathanxiety Tue 09-Oct-12 17:18:09

Scrambling -- you wash the toddler's hair with conditioner only. Conditioner contains glycerin, which will clean nicely, and really all you want to wash is the scalp, which you do with your fingertips and a little of the conditioner. Then you rinse the conditioner through the hair, and to dry you very gently scrunch it with a soft, dry towel. Do not comb it through -- ideally you would be able to get your fingers through it while it is coated in conditioner. This is usually enough for detangling and loose hair removal purposes. You can leave some conditioner in if you like.

Once the hair has been gently scrunched to get excess moisture out you can apply a small amount of clear hair gel that you have rubbed briskly between your hands and preferable diluted a bit. Look for gel with PVP or VP in it to add shine. Avoid -cone ingredients and also colours. Scrunch a little gel into the hair and then let it dry naturally. It's important not to brush it or comb it.

I started doing this with DD3's hair when she was 6 or 7 and she has not used shampoo for about 8 years now. It made getting out to school so much easier when there was no hair brushing involved.

Ariel -- your head and hair can be perfectly clean using only conditioner. It takes a week or so for your natural oil balance to find itself when you first dump shampoo but after that you will be fine. Curly hair needs moisture, it doesn't need drying shampoo. The softness comes when it is sufficiently moisturised.

You can use food grade glycerin (from cake decorating shops) diluted in a spray bottle to perk up your curls mid afternoon.

libelulle Wed 10-Oct-12 22:00:34

Coming slightly late to this but I have a question... what about dandruff with the no shampoo method? blush It sounds like just what my hair needs, but my scalp really can't imagine ditching the head and shoulders...

THERhubarb Thu 11-Oct-12 09:36:15

Isn't dandruff largely caused by the drying effects of shampoo? If left, your hair follicles would naturally secrete oils to keep your scalp healthy. It's shampoo which strips your hair of these oils and therefore dries your scalp.

It may take a few weeks for your hair to start producing natural oils again, but if you ditch the shampoo then I'm thinking that you will see a reduction in dandruff and your scalp will feel less irritated.

libelulle Thu 11-Oct-12 10:18:34

It sounds good - just the transition stage that's worrying mesmile

THERhubarb Thu 11-Oct-12 10:27:42

Well it's not like you aren't washing your hair at all though is it? You ARE washing it, it WILL be clean and conditioned and your scalp will feel a whole lot better!

Try it - do a blog on it to keep yourself focused and note the results.

libelulle Thu 11-Oct-12 13:18:07

Ok, I'm game! So now to find a conditioner that doesn't contain silicone. Are there any good recommendations for supermarket buys? I'm not quite up to buying more specialist stuff from the internet in case it ends up stuffed to the back of the cupboard as usual grin

THERhubarb Thu 11-Oct-12 13:22:31

Don't forget to mention me in your blog now!

I use any old conditioner to be honest, but mathanxiety recommends glycerin based conditioner.
I've found kids conditioner to be good and it smells lovely!

BerryLellow Thu 11-Oct-12 13:37:05

Head and Shoulders can actually GIVE you dandruff - it makes the skin on your scalp thinner and more sensitive.

Woozley Thu 11-Oct-12 13:58:35

I used to spend ages blow drying my hair properly and it still looked frizzy. All I do now is comb two squirts of the orange frizz ease through it after towel drying (and I stick it in one of those head towel things which dry it quickly rather than an ordinary towel) using a wide comb. Then I rough dry it. Then I give it a good brush, until it looks shiny and smooth, lifting it a bit using a denman soft-ish bristle brush or tangle tamer.

Also I leave my hair as long as possible to wash, certainly not every day. I just use Tresemme colour care shampoo and conditioner. About every six weeks I colour my hair with Nutrisse cream in Macadamia. Stops the extra frizzy greys coming through! I have it trimmed every two - three months. I keep it long (down to my bra strap now), with a few long layers to stop it from looking triangular!

mathanxiety Thu 11-Oct-12 17:37:34

I always thought dandruff was caused by a fungus that feeds on skin oils. I know if you ever get an orangey coloured mould/fungal growth on bathroom grout you can eliminate it with head and shoulders and a toothbrush.

I use Tresemme conditioner myself. It fits my budget and does an ok job.

er1507 Thu 11-Oct-12 18:33:36

as long as your using a mild shampoo then it's fine to wash every day.* salon shampoos really are best. My hair is curly and my daughter is growing a little Afro, I'll wash ours twice a week at most and use a leave in conditioner everyday to revive and define the curls.

Hairdressers aren't taught curly cuts and straights cuts. It's using the right layering method that's key.

OP having curly hair and wanting it to look like the pics linked everyday without styling is like someone with poker straight hair wanting a curly do but they don't want to curl/tong it at home.

er1507 Thu 11-Oct-12 18:41:43

*baby shampoo doesn't not count as mil shampo. It's actually more drying for your hair as it is ph balanced for your eyes and not scalp.

Real dandruff, not the small flaky bits like on the head and shoulders advert, that's dry scalp. Real dandruff is quite crusty and if you were to peel it away from the scalp it smells!

cutting hair blunt means that your not softening the layers and your not removing much of the weight from the hair. You can still have layers that are cut blunt. If you don't have layers then you just cutting the actual length of the hair blunt.

janek Sat 13-Oct-12 08:32:11

I use dr organics conditioner, which is -cone-free. I have also used faith in nature conditioner. The dr organics is available from holland and barratt, faith in nature is from healthfood shops normally.

Oil is a great product, kerastase do a lovely one.
Essentially those cuts are all layered as per the Jen one however sounds as though its been over texturised. So next time just ask for a basic cut to keep weight in it, no texturising

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Beautybymums Sat 26-Apr-14 14:53:11

I am a big lover of the pure organic raw cocunut oil. I don't understand how but all other products are heavy on my curls and this just leaves it soft and touchable and smells great. Just a dolop on the end of my finger tips though. I also used it as a deep conditioner in a sauna once A-M-A-Z-I-=N-G

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