Please help me choose between 2 down filled coats!

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Ok, I have to have one of these, but there's a fairly steep price gap between the two, so it's pulling my head apart.

Here is the first, the expensive one:

www.zalando.co.uk/tommy-hilfiger-greenwich-down-coat-blue-to121h00a-503.html

Can also see it modeled at the Hilfiger site in a diff colour here:

uk.tommy.com/Maine/1M87616096,en_GB,pd.html&cgid=101000#!color%3D939_CHOCOLATE_TORTE%26i%3D2

I Love the length (perfect for me) and the style, looks so warm and durable.

And here is the less expensive one, a tad but shorter (or is the model just super tall??) and not as 'shaped' as the first coat...but lovely hood and looks fairly durable:

www.asos.com/Wrangler/Wrangler-Padded-Parka-With-Faux-Fur-Trimmed-Hood/Prod/pgeproduct.aspx?iid=2444674&cid=2623&Rf900=1459,3717&sh=0&pge=0&pgesize=20&sort=-1&clr=Navy

It's killing me, what would you do?
I would intend this to last a long time, so a bit of an investment.

dexter73 Thu 27-Sep-12 16:39:07

Have you tried either of them on?

I'm afraid not! Can't locate the Wrangler coat anywhere other than Asos.

CaroleService Thu 27-Sep-12 18:33:37

I'd go for something tried and tested from an outdoors outfitters, not a fashion company. If you want it to be truly warm , and truly waterproof, that is - and I would if I were spending that much.

The 'warm and waterproof' thread ladies could probably give you chapter and verse on coats which tick all the boxes, including good looks.

Thanks Carole - I have just been looking at the thread.
What worries me is my narrow shoulders and small chest (usually have to opt for a 6 in coats and the more outdoors-y brands are often too large).

The fashion brands tend to make them a bit smaller, so I think this is why i'm drawn....

CaroleService Thu 27-Sep-12 20:08:12

Apparently Merell come up small ... <<looks at unfeasibly large chest. winces>>

I did like the Merell Insulated in navy, but can't find any online at the mo. Was so passionate about a faux fur trim to hood, too....

Will keep looking!

piratecat Thu 27-Sep-12 21:22:51

i like the wrangle one, lovely colour and the fur looks good. i know it's shorter but it will still keep you cosy.

Millie1 Thu 27-Sep-12 21:29:28

Love the first one - it looks really warm and stylish. As long as you don't mind that it's not waterproof. Why not order and try on .... you can always send it back <says me who recently sent two Barbours back at a postage cost of £24.50 just to make sure they were adequately insured blush>. If you like it .... go for it!!

tanteclaire Thu 27-Sep-12 21:35:12

big fan of the Hilfiger one, am tempted myself!

MrsSnow Thu 27-Sep-12 21:39:34

The first one looks warmer. The second one looks thin in comparison.

Still upset by the loss of my Joules Belmont parka last year: the padding came apart in the wash and formed into hard balls randomly throughout the coat. At the time I asked them to help and was told to put it in drier with tennisballs - which did not help. Was refused replacement or refund, even though I had followed guidelines to the letter. Will not go back there! I have noticed there are no customer reviews this year, too......./rant

Just in case anyone is thinking of the Belmont for this winter...be aware.

I also prefer the Hilfiger one, especially a version selling through Next, which is out of stock in my size.

exercisejunkie Fri 28-Sep-12 05:39:10

toasted, I also have the belmont and also stuck it in the wash, it went flat after and I then took it to a local prof laundery service (NOT a dry cleaners) and they dried it, came back perfect! Its currently hanging in my spare room waiting to be worn this winter.

Mmmchampagne Fri 28-Sep-12 07:56:03

I love the Hilfiger ones, have been looking for the same myself. The Wrangler one isn't down filled is it? I've found a few in a similar style but they are often not down filled. North Face do a couple of similar jackets but they are more expensive again.

Will be watching with interest...

exercisejunkie Thanks for the info, I wish I had hung onto it, but was so furious at the time that I just wanted it out of my life. Not as keen on the new Belmont either, but still miss the first sad

Mmmchampagne I like the North Face arctic parka, but worried it may be too long, perhaps also a bit over what I am prepared to spend, too. Was surprised to see almost a £100 difference between the black and navy version on one website.
Weird...the Wrangler says hand wash only.

BigStickBIWI Fri 28-Sep-12 12:19:51

Does it have to have a fur collar? I've just bought two blush from Uniqlo

this one

They are fitted at the waist and really light but seem pretty warm - at least so far - and are a lot cheaper!

flowery Fri 28-Sep-12 12:22:01

I've ordered this Boden one which looks v similar to the Hilfiger one in the blue.

The Boden version is lovely! I need to take a closer look at that (hoping it isn't too long for me)..

And it definitely has to have the furry collar, it's like this hurdle I can't get past.

allnewtaketwo Fri 28-Sep-12 12:50:00

Have you looked at the Aigle Cuckmere one?

allnewtaketwo Another beauty! I am perplexed by the colours though...is 'night' blue or black?

OK, I'm in love with this Cuckmere thing. Price is worrying, but ooooh. Has anyone had experience with this coat? Washable? Would it be too long on a 5'4 person? Is it a small or generous fit?

This website has my size

www.redrae.co.uk/aigle_ladies_jackets_and_coats.htm

allnewtaketwo Fri 28-Sep-12 13:25:19

I've got one! The Night is black in all but name imo!

I'm the same height as you. Is about knee length maybe just above can't remember. It's nice because of the belted waist. Hood is detachable.

Fit is true to size imo

I figured I will have it years. Was so super toasty last year. I preferred it to arctic parka due to belted waist/fitted shape, so less michelin shape!

Can't remember if washable. I just wiped mud off iirc and came up fine. Didn't need to wash it yet.

allnewtaketwo Thankyou!

Also found this, which is quite nice in person but wrong colour for me:

uk.monsoon.co.uk/view/product/uk_catalog/mon_1,mon_1.5/2930296651

I've tried the tommy hilfiger one on last year. I found it for £120 tommy hilfiger discount store. It was lovely and warm. I'm 5.4 and size 8/10 and tried the 8. It fitted well and was really warm.

The only reason I didn't go for it though was because I wanted a waterproof/resistant one. The same reason I returned the Belmont from joules. I ended up with a lands end one. It's really warm but isnt as nice looking as the tommy one.

I'm glad the fit is good, and also to hear that it is warm! I hadn't actually thought about water resistance...showerproof will probably do for me, I think. I am most concerned with the hood 'staying up' in a gale force deluge, keeping my hair dry, really. My ears ache so much even in cold winds.

Am currently considering the Boden Stockholm (love the toggles at the hood, vital details!) or the Hilfiger. Stuck now between the two!

flowery Sat 29-Sep-12 14:07:42

Ok my Boden one has arrived this morning and I'm disappointed. It's not nearly as thick as I expected, feels barely padded at all.

Is the Aigle one nice and thick? Not sure whether my expectations are too high..

cornzy Sat 29-Sep-12 14:13:59

that aigle one is gorgeous but just a tad too expensive
I'm getting this which is lovely and warm but has no hood. Used a 25% code to get it from whistles.
Now wishing I had the aigle one though....

orangina Sat 29-Sep-12 14:30:29

I have something loveoy from North Face which I bought a few years ago and have been wearing solidly ever since. No hood though.

LOVE the AIgle one though (can't possibly justify a second down coat, but I wish I could....!)

newpup Sat 29-Sep-12 15:17:42

I have the North Face Arctic Parka in Chocolate and it is fantastic! Just waiting for the cold weather to wear it. smile

Toasted, the hood on the tommy one should stay up as it has the fur round the hood it tend sto make it heavy and likely to stay on. Plus it zips up if I remember to your chin which makes it even harder for the hood to fall down.

Babyrabbits Sat 29-Sep-12 16:57:13

I have a marmot duck and down, in its 6th year and still great!
I jut bought a merrell haven from tk max for £59 and its very very warm! I think that its a much smarter coat than a duck and down.

flowery Thanks for sharing that, such a shame though.

I feel that the Cuckmere would be too long for me, and is just a bit too expensive considering my budget. I am now sliding towards the Hilfiger even more.

Imlostwithoutahope I see what you mean!

flowery Sat 29-Sep-12 17:58:03

I've changed my mind about the Boden after trying it on. It is really warm actually, and I like the colour as well, so I'm keeping it. smile

Flowery, how does it fit, sizing wise? Is the hood secure and fluffy? Also wondering if the sleeves are roomy (I'm scared of roomy sleeves!)

flowery Sat 29-Sep-12 18:19:44

Fit is good. I'm a size 10 and it fits with room for a big jumper. Sleeves are not too roomy. Hood is secure, yes, and fluffy round the edge.

DilysPrice Sat 29-Sep-12 18:37:28

For that money you could find a North Face Arctic or Brooklyn if you shop around a bit (20% off sales are reasonably frequent) and you would be warm, toasty and dry all winter.

<strokes North Face Arctic lovingly>

But do try and find a place you can try stuff on because it's all about the fit. Is there an outlet mall anywhere near you? They're often good for this sort of thing, and if you actually decide you like something from eg Trespass, you'd be quids in.

Thanks flowery!

DilysPrice, my nearest city is Manchester, so not sure. Will have a google around.

The North Face Arctic is in my fave list - would love to find out sizing info.

DilysPrice Sat 29-Sep-12 20:35:39

I'm 5'4" and my NF Brooklyn (I think it's a Brooklyn - it has a clip belt so not an Arctic actually now I come to look at it) comes to mid thigh - pretty much perfect minimum arse-covering length. I wear a size 10/12 and a NF small is snug on me, so I guess you'd want an Extra Small.

tugamommy Sat 29-Sep-12 20:55:24

What about Zara? I got one there last year on the sale that was ridiculously cheap, 30 pounds I think, and it looks just like the ones in the op. It's really warm as well and has a good hood that stays on.

tugamommy Sat 29-Sep-12 20:59:19

Just to add that mine looks just like the Belmont - that's the one I really wanted but in the end decided it was too expensive.

There's a black one at Zara that I would buy in a heartbeat if it was...navy!

Have a look if you have those out of town discount centres near you. The one by us has tresspass, mountain warehouse, Tommy Hilfiger etc , they're good places to look for cheaper coats.

ivykaty44 Sun 30-Sep-12 11:27:17
lurkingaround Sun 30-Sep-12 14:16:32

I got one from Zara 2 years ago, not at all warm, so if you're looking for heat, look elsewhere. So I had to buy another one last year, bought one from Mexx and it is toasty. Like a duvet.

topsi Sun 30-Sep-12 15:18:04

OMG just tried the Tommy coat on it is georgous!! Looks better on than in the picture!

I've discovered an issue with the Tommy coat.....the one I was looking to buy was via Zalando, because I wanted navy instead of brown (only brown at other sites).
Discovered the Zalando version is called 'Greenwich', although it looks identical to the 'Maine' down.

Can anyone decipher this? I'm really confused.
Here is the link to the Zalando coat, am I mad or is it actually the 'Maine' under another name..?

www.zalando.co.uk/tommy-hilfiger-greenwich-down-coat-blue-to121h00a-503.html

ivykaty44 I love this, but so upset there's no navy!

lurkingaround those look seriously toasty, and thanks for the Zara tip.

ivykaty44 Sun 30-Sep-12 16:16:16
ivykaty44 Sun 30-Sep-12 16:17:20

It is water resistent and the hood is detachable, which is a good thing in my book as the fur often gets mankey before the life time of the coat is up.

ivykaty44 I'm really drawn to the first one, because I like the matte shell finish. In fact this is the best one I've encountered so far in terms of the idea image I had in my head!

I am pale, cool toned blonde with blue eyes, and have no idea, other than navy, which would suit me. I am interested in the ivory......much prefer this coat to the Tommy one and it is nearly £100 cheaper!

ivykaty44 Sun 30-Sep-12 16:54:11

It will be far better quality than the tommy coat and far warmer - I would go for the ivory, then dry clean each winter smile

I agree about the comparison the the Tommy coat. Is the Lands End sizing true? I'm really tempted to go with this one!

I really appreciate everyone's help in this thread too - thanks so much!

exercisejunkie Sun 30-Sep-12 17:51:54

toasted, just to throw a spanner in the works, the belmont is available on Ebay, brand new, buy it now..just sayin!

bishboschone Sun 30-Sep-12 17:56:33

I tried on all the Zara ones today and they are so stiff . I have a beautiful one from last year , so soft but it's too big ( now on eBay sad). This years offerings aren't up to the same standard .

The new Belmont or last yrs? I can't find the navy version sadly.

New hurdle concerns size. I did a search which revealed that Tommy, Lands End and North Face run pretty large. I generally take a UK6 in coats so I'm back to square one.

What do people think of the new Joules Belmont?
Sadly there are no reviews this year (wonder why!), but it looks a bit like sausage casing from this pic:

www.joules.com/Women/New-In/Belmont/Womens-Feather-And-Down-Coat%2C-Detachable-Hood/Black?id=N_BELMONT|BLACK

bishboschone Sun 30-Sep-12 18:34:07

I like that joules coat .. And not a bad price . I was just looking at north face Juneau .. £350! I am a size 8 mostly 6 in coats . The uniqlo one I tried was massive in size extra small ( supposedly 4-6) but the Zara extra small was too tight ( read too feckin stiff) !!!

Just an update!

I actually went for the Boden Stockholm, after tearing my hair out trying to choose between that and the Tommy.
Chose the navy blue (was told over phone that it has a purple lining, like the green version) and they knocked the price down to £150 for me.

What swung it was the length, the colour of the faux fur and the sizing options. Also discovered that the Tommy coat does not actually contain down, just polyester padding.

This is the pic that convinced me:

www.boden.co.uk/en-GB/Womens-Accessories/Hats,-Scarves-Gloves/AD106/Womens-Breton-Stripe-Hat.html

Here's hoping it works!

My2Monkeys Tue 02-Oct-12 19:20:55

Personally I don't think either of those is a patch on the Didriksons Lindsey - not down filled but their coats are super warm and truly waterproof (unlike Boden's which are "showerproof" and in my experience start leaking after a few months). The photos of the navy and black aren't great but I think it's cut like the Celeste which my friend got last year - mid thigh at the front, longer at the back which looks great. I've chosen a different one (the Naomi, which VikingKids told me is the longest one they do this year - loving this for school run & dog walking) but I do love the look of the Lindsey in navy.

I totally agree with CaroleService, I'd never buy a winter coat from a fashion company again, but would choose a proper outdoor outfitter every time, as long as they also look stylish, which I think Didriksons ones do.

My2Monkeys Tue 02-Oct-12 19:24:21

ToastedTeacakes, I missed the last page before posting my reply above. I hope the Boden one will keep you warm and dry - I'd be highly doubtful that it's actually waterproof though. AFAIK their coats are "showerproof" at best and my last one got drenched through after just a couple of months.

My2Monkeys No worries, I do agree with you completely. This is what pulled my head apart for so long, and kept me dithering...

I don't spend a great deal of time outdoors, not in the sense of doggie walking and such, and only really need something fairly showerproof which will be warm enough and protect my sensitive ears from the wind. The security of hood was almost more important to me than the actual coat itself! I also really wanted to stay below £150 and was fixated on long length navy blue.

Not familiar with Didriksons, though. I am still quite new to this quality coat lark grin

My2Monkeys Tue 02-Oct-12 20:39:00

Sounds like it will work fine for what you need then smile

For anyone else who needs a properly waterproof coat with a hood, I think the Didriksons hoods are great - I've only tried on 2 models but they're really adjustable and give really good cover without blocking your field of vision. Their children's coats have adjustable hoods too - both mine have older models of this one. They still fit them this year (bought one last year and one in 2010) so we're not in the market for another one just yet though...

lurkingaround Tue 02-Oct-12 22:45:49

I like your Naomi coat My2Monkeys. Would love one, but can't justify as the Mexx one I have (great heat, but more expensive and not totally waterproof, harrumph) Is fine. Will remember for next year.

FarrowAndBollock Wed 03-Oct-12 01:05:06

DrowningInLaundry (think that was her name) was the resident coat expert on here last year and advised against down as it is difficult to fluff up once wet. She advised synthetic filling.

Abzs Wed 03-Oct-12 10:25:06

I'd second that Farrow. If down gets wet it clumps together and loses its ability to insulate. The coats like the TNF Metropolis are best suited to cold dry places like central europe and the midwest US.

Synthetic insulation doesn't have this clumping problem so still insulates when wet. You do have to be careful when washing as it can still get wadded and lumpy in the machine and be very heavy when wet and tear the internal stitching.

Most manufacturers make both down and synthetic jackets. So if you think you're likely to get wet, then may be a synthetic option is for you. The best selling coat of this type last year where I work was the synthetic filled Jack Wolfskin Iceguard.

I've just ordered the Didrikson Naomi. I hope for the price it's worth it.

I can't seem to find anything I like. Last year I bought a lands end down coat, which is really warm with fab fleece pockets and cuff warmers but is a yucky brown colour and I feel like a oompah loompa in it. I've also got a few waterproof tresspass jackets which whilst keep the top half dry are cold and let the tops of my legs get wet. I also have a trespass ski jacket which is really warm but again short. Why can't anyone do a waterproof coat that is longer length. I don't want to do hill walking but do still want dry legs and a nice looking coat.

Fingers crossed for my Naomi

So....how are people actually washing their down coats? I've experienced the clumping issue before and have no idea how to proceed..I don't currently possess a dryer either.

bishboschone Wed 03-Oct-12 14:07:53

You need a dryer or a very very windy sunny day . I'm a professional dry cleaner ( although I don't work anymore ) . We only washed them and tumble dried them in a industrial size dryer . They still took hours to dry . They don't like being dry cleaned because the feathers suck up the solvent and it makes them smell and can leave solvent marks on the seams . I have washed hundreds over the years but I have been told the windy day method works . ( I personally wouldn't risk any of my down coats as once feather smell you have had it ) . Fwiw , I have been wearing down / feather coats for years and have never experienced clumping during wear !

Thanks for the info! I'm wondering if there are places where I could take it to be done? Really intrigued by how others are doing it.

exercisejunkie Thu 04-Oct-12 05:55:46

Hi!

glad you finally got a coat Toasted! i've long come to the conclusion that warm and waterproof doesn't exist, and during british winters its often one or the other, but rarely freezing and raining!

as I think I said before, I take my down coat to a local Laundry, they do commercial laundry (ie for hotels etc and) smaller stuff, I wash it at home then get them to dry it, I was nervous but they did a great job so i'll be using them again this winter,I commute into london so feel the trains make my coat grubby, I plan to now wash it 2-3 times this winter and it keeps it looking nice!

best thing is...they charge £7 to dry it! bargin! and it comes back all fluffy and new looking again!

mathanxiety Thu 04-Oct-12 06:14:33

You need a dryer to dry a down coat. What you do is wash it according to manufacturer's directions and then put it in the dryer along with three tennis balls. The tennis balls bang around inside the drum and bash the feathers as they bounce, which counteracts the wet feathers' tendency to clump. If you are dealing with a coat as opposed to a jacket then you will need an industrial/very large commercial dryer.

I lived in a very cold winter climate (midwestern US, north end) and the family and I wore puffy coats and jackets from October to April, some down and some poly fill, and washed them all the time. They came out perfect using the tennis balls method. Has to be three tennis balls.

Polyester filled coats and jackets keep you just as warm ime if the cold is dry as it is in a continental climate region. (Tennis balls don't go amiss with poly fill either.) Actually, I would be inclined to use the poly fill coat/jackets for the maritime/damp and cold of Ireland and the UK just to be able to keep them dry with minimum fuss. I think they would definitely be warm enough.

TellMeLater Thu 04-Oct-12 07:23:26

I have a North Face Arctic Parka...so happy with it, I convinced dh to get the man's version. I love it, warm and water proof - the hood feels like it's giving you a gentle hug. I have washed it and successfully dried it with the tennis ball in the tumble - I just kept giving it a damn good shake. If my budget couldn't stretch to the Arctic Parka then I'd opt for the Didriksons Lindsey, it looks like a great coat, very stylish too.

exercisejunkie Will look into that, thanks! The price sounds fine to me. Hopefully I can seek some advice in town.

mathanxiety It kind of makes me wonder why no mention of this is ever on the websites...only 'machine washable'. Yeh, and the rest! We don't have a drier, and I'm not sure closest friends/family do, and many of them live a fair stretch from me, too.

mathanxiety I love the Arctic parka, was a bit above what I was prepared to spend though. I'm hoping I won't freeze!

At winter in wales its always freezing and raining. Other times of the year its just raining!

mathanxiety Sat 06-Oct-12 02:29:19

A lot of the coats and jackets I got in the US specified the three tennis balls on the care label.

mathanxiety Sat 06-Oct-12 02:30:06

You really need a dryer to get down properly dry. Do you have a laundrette anywhere handy?

Nevstar Sun 02-Dec-12 01:26:53

Artic vs Juneau Northface Parkers ?? Anyone know the difference and any comments ?

pinkhousesarebest Sun 02-Dec-12 11:23:23

The North Face Arctic is not a thing of beauty. But it is fantastic in the cold . I bought mine three years ago from EBay US, and it was significantly cheaper than buying in the UK.

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