Are these beauty experts deluding themselves talking about ageing

[NurseNancyatToyHospital]

Sali Hughes, India Knight and two other beauty experts discussing "ageing gracefully".

India and the woman on the right are very overweight. The skin care expert's blusher is clown like and the woman next to her appears to have a face full of fillers. They earn their living - in part - advising woman on how to look good but, with the exception of Sali Hughes they don't! It just makes me think about what a farce the whole beauty industry is.

Any thoughts?

[linalool]

I couldn't see much point to that conversation. I think Caroline Hirons looks unwell but the rest of them looked fine.

[RudefromBude]

why are there two threads about this?

[specialsubject]

I don't have the legs for a short tight skirt either...

[NurseNancyatToyHospital]

Rude - I meant to put this in AIBU. Hence 2 threads.

[notsogoldenoldie]

I don't think they look good at all, apart from Sali Hughes. The blonde lady looks ok but is rather obviously filled, and the other two are overweight. I thought this was a rather pointless conversation too, unless I'm missing something.

[ihatethecold]

Can't you not be overweight and have an opinion on ageing then?

[PacificDogwood]

If 'beauty' were not quite as important for the value of a women, then ageing wouldn't be either.

Pointless conversation whatever the women in question look like tbh.

[notsogoldenoldie]

inthe I may have missed something here, but I thought the participants were meant to be giving advice to other women. And if that's what they are doing, I think they need to be careful how they go about doing this. I'm 55 and I'm very aware of how it would probably look if I tried to give beauty advice to another woman??. Anyone's entitled to an opinion, of course!

[FrugalFashionista]

I think we disagree on our definitions of what 'gracefully' is. Not everyone has the genes and bone structure to age like Julianne Moore.

I find that many women seem to find who they really are and accept it when they are older. This could include gray hair, wrinkles, extra weight. loss of hair, mastectomy scars etc. I live next door to a private college and the zombie like sameness of the young girls attending it always depresses me.

I think our society has a strong bias against aging women - it's easy to become invisible. To change this, I think we should be both less self-critical and less critical towards others.

[CarlaVeloso]

How come men never discuss physical signs of ageing other than in a humorous way?

Real exchange between DH and hid brother this week:

DBIL: Been decorating? (Ref to DH's grey hairs)
DH: Been eating pies? (Ref to BIL's expanding waistline)

End of convo. I wish we, as women, didn't care so much.

[Mixtape]

I don't think being overweight stops you from ageing well or looking good..

I remember seeing Dawn French on Graham Norton, I think it was, and she was next to an American star type person - I wish I could remember who it was! - who was thin but had clearly also had work done. It was amazing how beautiful Dawn French looked, and how odd the other star looked in comparison. You realise that natural signs of ageing always look better than attempts to conceal them. I agree that this is a male / female thing.

[Bonsoir]

The three invitees in the video have much bigger "beauty" issues than age. Decent haircuts and properly fitted clothes, for example!

[ZaraW]

I could only watch it for about two minutes before switching off found them all v. annoying.

[CharlieSierra]

I think referring to India Knight's weight is relevant since she has clearly given up on her own diet which earned her ££££££. Also I found this offensive from her new book, coming from a woman who can well afford a decent haircut but who chooses not to bother.....

Equally wrong is Pointlessly Short Hair which is supposed to be gamine, but which actually requires an unfeasibly sharp jawline if you’re not going to end up looking like the governor of a women’s prison

I'm in my 50s and there is nothing those three women could tell me about looking good or ageing well that I would take on board as a result of looking at them.

[MuttersDarkly]

I have enough to do without how I age being a thing.

I am just going to do it (like I have a choice) and not worry about any adverbs.

[Eliza22]

I don't think any of them look amazing. I'm glad none of them are my (judgey pants) friends. Life's hard enough without "friends" pointing at our faces and saying "what's all this?" and "You can get rid of that" (offending line). I'm all for the power of regular basic skin care and good makeup. And I DO have some highlights/lowlights through my bonce but that's it. And frankly, I don't want to be judged. By anyone, on what I look like.

[KissyBoo]

India Knight proves the point that it isn't a short haircut that makes you look like the governor of a women's prison in this video.

[Bonsoir]

I'd never seen Caroline Hirons before. She has a bit of a nerve giving beauty advice!