Better skin - any recommendations?(30 Posts)
I've decided that enough is enough with my skin. It's got dry patches and red bits and is just generally badly behaved!
I use moisturiser every day and a different one at night (both Garnier) that claim to sort these problems but my skin doesn't want to play nicely.
I've heard people talk about getting a 'skin care regime'. Does anyone know what one of those is? Also where do I get one? I'm happy to go into the confusing world of the counters in Boots and talk to the girls there but I was hoping that someone would have a recommendation as to which one is a good brand to use. I'm willing to spend some money on this but feel wary of being ripped off.
Can anybody help a bad skinned lady??
Dr Hauschka Rose Day Cream is lovely. I also recommend the Sunsense50+, which I've only recently bought from amazon at £12.50. (Recommended, kindly, by mumsnetters). Double cleanse + toner leaves my skin clean and soft at night. I use Boots Rose & Glycerine toner at £2.95, I think it is. Very gentle.
I'm loving Roc at the moment as well, but having retinol in them, I'd not go for that, till your "problems" settle.
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Oh dear I don't want to confuse you but TBH those beauty counters are not necesary; I have dryish skin like you and I never wash my face with soap and water at all, I use the lovely Dr Hauschka cleansing milk and you don't have to moisturise at night after using it (it really brightened my skin). Though they do a nice moisturisers as well. They are not as expensive as the really upmarket stuff even though they're not cheap.
Also look at what you eat; the omega 3 oils like linseed and evening primrose are very helpful for your skin, also eat lots of fresh fruit and veg.
Also perhaps I can recommend Dr Sam Bunting's blog? I can't do links but it's the first thing that comes up when you google her. She's a cosmetic dermatologist and reading her skin care advice totally changed the products I went for. My skin is better as a result. She's got an answer for every kind of skin problem out there so definitely worth a google.
If you have issues with your skin you don't need advice from a beauty counter sales assistant. You need the advice of a dermatologist.
French pharmacy brands such as Avene and La Roche Posay make really effective skin care products full of genuinely active ingredients that don't break the bank. They are, in my opinion, much better products than the hideously expensive cosmetic brands make
although I am just as gullible as the next woman and can be just as susceptible to clever persuasive marketing
The reason these products are superior is because they are made for dermatologists to prescribe to their patients. They are non comedogenic (meaning they don't block pores) and designed to be as non irritating as possible to sensitive skin. Most importantly, they really work.
Both brands sell moisturising creams designed specifically to tackle any redness, as well as dry skin. Avene extremely gentle cleanser does a through cleansing job without aggravating the skin. Perhaps these might work for you op?
The only drawback to these products is you don't get the beautiful packaging - it's all very functional I'm afraid. However this also means that they are very reasonably priced, and for a product that actually does what it says on the tin, I'm willing to forego a pretty bottle.
If you can get your hands on the May issue of (sssh!) Woman and Home mag you get a voucher in there for a free l'occitane immortelle 15ml face cream worth £15. And when you sign to be a VIP at l'occitane apparently you get a 20% off first purchases voucher.
I agree that it's having a consistent, gentle but thorough routine. I really persevered with Liz Earle but I found constantly scrubbing my skin with a cloth (which never felt clean) wasn't doing my skin any favours.
My skin is better than it's been in ages with the following routine morning and night:
Cleanse with Avene gentle gel cleanser, rinse by splashing warm water. Moisturise with La Roche Posay Cicaplast - this is utterly amazing for my skin, deeply moisturising and nourishing, don't need much, and is antibacterial too so doesn't clog my skin and seems to keep spots at bay while being really rich. I'm quite evangelical about it!
For day I don't wear makeup, just La Roche Posay SPF50 tinted moisturiser.
I do exfoliate/scrub/peel/mask a couple of times a week, but my skin is thanking me for letting it do its own thing mostly.
Oh Back2To I had a sample of the Immortelle eye cream and tried it for 1 week and looked amazing! Everyone asked md why I looked sob right and had I had tons of sleep!
Alas it's too expensive to buy but if I had the cash i would.
Laquila I have used the H&B face oil and it is nice but my skin was a bit too combination for it. I have not tried the NYR facial oil due to price, I tend to use a decleor one but when that is gone I might treat myself - NYR stuff lasts me ages because it is quite thick and nourishing so I only use small blobs on my fingertips as opposed to cheaper/thinner creams which soak in and I need more.
I'm tempted by the bravura hyaluronic acid stuff too. My NYR day cream has some in and I think it's made a difference.
I also use a flannel daily to take my make up off, it makes a real difference, but am also using the Sonicleanse as well and my skin looks clearer and brighter after a week.
There's so much on the market now, samples are the way to go.
Yes to taking a supplement...just fish oil maybe or you can splash out on expensive ones (still potentially cheaper than many creams, facials etc if you buy when Boots have 3 for 2 offers etc) I like Seven Seas Illumnia but have just decided to give Imedeen a trial for three months. I found that Illumnia made a real difference to my skin.
I love liz earle cleanse and polish too and have recently returned to it after a long break and find my skin to be loving it. It seems gentle and seems to suit all the different areas of my face the same. I have bought the night oil that others talk about and I really love it. It's gorgeous to use and I believe it has made an improvement (just can't always tell as I have a habit of drinking too much wine.....)
My recent discovery has been l'occitane. I'm trialling an eye cream at the mo which is lovely but not sure about results as only day 4. I bought a hand cream which smells and feels fab, and I'm going to try a moisturiser from the eternelle range. Lovely shop, lovely assistance (free samples given without any trouble) and so far I love the products. Expensive though but will last a long time.
Sun protection- I'm in my 40s and I really regret not using one more when I was younger.
Another one to say that the key isn't spending money - it's CONSISTENCY! If you cleanse well for your skin and treat it every morning and every evening you'll soon see a difference.
I'd be a bit careful with liz earle's cleanse and polish if you have dry patches because it has camphor oil in it which can irritate some skins.
You can use ANY cream cleanser as a 'hot cloth' cleanser - if you buy yourself a week's worth of cheap flannels you can use a clean one each day. The body shop's aloe range is gentle and if you get their newsletter they're always emailing codes (in fact there's £10 and free del on orders over £25 today - you could get everything you need for £25 easily, for only £15 today).
Also take a fish oil supplement.
Good luck! Let us know what you get (nosey)
Oh I forgot to add that the Bravura night cream is 15% glycolic acid. I also use a Bravura dermaflannel to cleanse which has really cleared up the congested pores around my nose
I have done a couple of glycolic acid peels too. There's loads of threads in S&B about it
Oh and I would also suggest double cleansing, which has really helped clear up my skin.
And finally, while the initial outlay for more expensive products is a lot, in my experience you usually only need to use small amounts which means they do last a long time.
I second Ruralninja's helpful list above, and would add a good eye cream to the list.
Some products I use that work for my skin (dehydrated but also quite congested/sluggish) are:
Pai rose and camellia cleanser - used with hot cloth
Ren rose oil serum
Pai eye cream or Monu collagen eye cream
Sarah chapman dynamic defense moisturiser - love this and it is SPF 15
Alpha h liquid gold
Elemis tri enzyme cleanser or clarins foaming cleanser with cottonseed.
The Pai range can be bought online and is gentle, organic and effective.
In the past I have used the Murad range with good results but it is pricey.
I have also heard good things about the Emma Hardie cleanser which I will try when I run out of the Pai one.
Hope that's useful.
I've had pretty good skin all my life, but a few of months ago I posted a very similar question on here as I was looking old and worn
I'm not convinced it matters what products you use - but having some sort of skin care regime has reduced my need for loads of make-up and loads of people have commented on how 'well' I look.
I wash with any old soap. Usually Dove.
Then I use a Garnier roll-on eye pen, followed by Loreal Youth Code serum. I leave that to sink in for 5 mins while I get breakfast, then I apply SunSense SP50.
I wash my face with whatever soap/showergel is near the bath. Clinique eye cream followed by an Estée Lauder night serum and Bravura night cream.
When I read that back and it looks like im a crazy beauty junkie. But I honestly never put a product on my face until very recently and after a few months of experimenting my skin has never been better.
What one person sweats will work for them, may ruin the face of another!
Go to the beauty counters in your nearest department store and get as many samples as you can
I've recently had v good results with boots botanics. The hot cloth cleanser and the nourishing day cream
Thanks everyone. Going to have a poke around the counters and get some samples.
Will also try out the aldi recommendation. I love that place for a good deal!
TigerseyeMum have you any experience of comparing the NY rose facial oil and the H&B one? I didn't know H&B did a skin are range but like the sound f the price... sadly eyes empty wallet
OP, you definitely shouldn't feel guilty about asking questions/getting samples at counters and then not necessarily making a purchase - those women make enough hard sells without you adding to their profit! ;)
I meant to add, NYR has a lovely chamomile cleanser that might suit - sounds like your skin is red and irritated. They have a range for sensitised skin, sounds like you need to bring it back to basics and start with gentle, clean products.
Ren is another brand that is good for sensitive skin. If there is redness I would avoid cleaners with SLS and too many chemicals. I get red flaky patches too and SLS is just the worst...
Dr Organic from H&B has a lovely rosehip facial oil for about £12 which is quite good.
I agree that you don't necessarily have to spend £££ to get good results.
A skin care regime is basically how you clean and moisturise your skin.
Over the years I have tried all sorts of expensive facecare from Clarins to Liz Earle to rosehip face oil to Neal's Yard to Clinique. I have to say some of the Clarins stuff was nice but it didn't do anything magic. I believe that for some people, too many products and poking around with their face, peels, brushing, etc does more harm than good and can really irritate sensitive skin, which is what it sounds like you've got.
I wash my face with a foaming cleanser (Johnson's), use an exfoliating facewash once every two days (also Johnson's, very gentle). I use Oil of Olay face cream for Normal/Dry skin with SPF15 which I am quite generous with and I recently introduced an eye cream (Nivea Visage). Every so often I do a face pack (brightening or clarifying depending on what I feel like).
I can honestly say I have great skin and do not look my age. From friends to total strangers to work mates. Nobody believes my true age and they are not just being polite - I'm in my early 40's and don't have the eye lines or forehead lines. I have used an SPF for probably 20 years+ though and always take face cream down to my neck and decolletage.
I believe that rubbing at your skin with cotton wool + cleaner isn't very good for it, whereas facial washes are a lot lighter on the skin. The other tip is an SPF, always. Some of the moisturisers (Clinique for example) don't have SPF's in.
If I were you I would go around all the beauty counters, explain your skin problems, let them analyse you and see what they recommend. If you feel awkward about not buying, you can always say initially you will be visiting several counters to try and see what brand you feel would suit your skin best before purchasing, then you are being completely upfront and they won't expect you to buy straightaway. You might find they work harded to get you to come back but don't feel guilty if you don't.... you are entitled to shop around before making a final decision.
Neals Yard is excellent and has a great website where you can search by skin type, you can email or Facebook them for advice and if you have a store near you they will advise and give you samples.
I find their products actually do something for your skin.
I have combination, sensitive, dehydrated oily skin. Woohoo, it's fab. But NYR generally helps sort it out.
I think a cleanser is the most important thing to get right. After that, a moisturiser that suits you is easier to find. A flannel, hot cloth or muslin is important to get skin properly clean. And the right make up is important - oil free if you have oily patches, for example.
I battle endlessly with my skin, mainly because of hormones, and unfortunately it really is trial and error.
a good gentle exfoliator, perhaps Espa or Boots microdermabrasion
a natural face oil, e.g. Neals Yard, Clarins Blue Lotus, Argan oil or jojoba oil - any all-natural should do it
a gentle cleanser, I second Liz Earle cleanse & polish, or Elemis Tri-Enzyme
A glycolic acid product once or twice a week, depending on the strength of the preparation and how sensitive your skin is
Moisturiser, again Neals Yard, Clarins or Elemis are all good. For less expensive but still organice, Dr Organic from Holland & Barratt is pretty good and the rose range smells lovely
I use Liz Earle cleanse and polish twice a day and liz Earle skin oil at night.
I have combination skin with dry patches and use Superdrug hot cloth cleanser at night followed by Aldi serum and moisturiser.
In the morning just splash skin with water, dry and use serum and moisturiser.
I'm very happy with these products which are cheap but get great results for me. If you're going to experiment. Would humbly suggest you try the cheaper options first as you may not need to spend £££
Thanks everybody. I don't mind spending money if it works! Just worried about making expensive errors.
I get a bit shy around the counter girls and then feel bad when I don't buy anything or worse (for me, not them) is when I buy stuff I wasn't really sure about. I may have to take a mouthy friend with me.
I've heard of face oils before but haven't tried any. I'll look into that.
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