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The all important first meeting...

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Andsoitbegins88 · 06/10/2015 21:22

So I'm not sure if I really qualify to be posting here but I've been loitering for a while and would really value some feedback from women who've been here before.

I've been with DP for 18 months and he has two DSs (12 and 9) - he's been separated for 5 years and is currently going through the divorce process. His ex is regularly in contact 20+ times a day (text, email, phone calls) varying from little updates to hate filled messages telling him he's ruined their lives and put the children into social deprivation by leaving them. She's quite religious and often tells him in front of the children that divorce is a sin and he should be ashamed to be putting her through this.

Anyway, on to my question! We're planning to introduce me to the boys and we want to manage that properly. He has spoken to the ex about it and she initially flat out refused to let them meet me but is now saying she will let it happen if she is there. She said it's going to be extremely traumatic for them to meet me and she wants to be there to help them through the guaranteed emotional turmoil they will face.

DP is very anti this and feels she is just trying to control the situation and make the first meeting uncomfortable. We're very keen for that first meeting to be relaxed, brief and fun - a non-event, really. I'm nervous that she will make it uncomfortable and tense; even if they don't fully understand why it's awkward, surely they'll feel it and that's what they'll remember from that meeting?

If she wants to be there to show them there is nothing wrong with being friends with me, ease their potential feelings of disloyalty etc then I understand that, but DP is pretty convinced that's not the plan.

I have no idea what it must feel like for your children to be introduced to a significant other, so I want to be sensitive to that. However she's introduced the boys to 2 other men without consulting my DP, so it makes a mockery of it slightly!

Anyway, any advice/suggestions etc would be really appreciated!

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Georgethesecond · 06/10/2015 21:24

I wouldn't let her be there I don't think. Or if I did it would only be if I'd met her first to see how she was likely to be!

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afromom · 06/10/2015 21:37

There is no way I would let her be there. It would make a difficult moment even more awkward and put the boys in an awful position!

We went through this last year and decided to introduce my DS and Dp's DD all at the same time. We took them to a firework display, just a local community thing. It worked really well because it only lasted an hour, a lot of the time we were busy watching the fireworks, then we got a hot chocolate on the way home and discussed the fireworks. The whole thing lasted about 1.5 hrs and was far less awkward as we had something to focus on other than the situation.

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SundayGirl86 · 06/10/2015 21:37

Listen to your DP. My OH's ex was like this - it was all about control and sabotage.

If her motives are genuine then she can ease any potential feelings of disloyalty by telling her sons she hopes they have a fun time and that she is also looking forward to meeting you at some point. That's all that she needs to do - basically let them know she's happy for you to meet them.

Also, with all due respect to his ex, whilst I understand she wouldn't want the boys to meet you (or anyone for that matter) straight away (and I think you've waited a sensible amount of time), it is not for her to dictate or give permission about what their father chooses to do with his children when they are with him.

Your DP knows her. Let him make decisions where she's concerned.

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Andsoitbegins88 · 06/10/2015 21:48

Thanks so much for the responses - really appreciate it.

We initially offered for her to meet me first so she could feel confident about who her boys were meeting but she made it quite clear she wasn't open to that. Can't say I was disappointed....!

Will follow DPs lead, as you suggest SundayGirl86

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Wdigin2this · 06/10/2015 23:45

Yes I agree, if EW is there when you meet his DC, it will turn a slightly awkward situation into a fraught drama! She has no right to insist on being there when you're introduced to her children, and anyway she's already set the precedent! Go ahead,and just don't tell her it's happening...but first time, keep it very light and brief!

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3phase · 07/10/2015 09:10

Agree, her being there will be awful. Also agree she has no right to insist on being there.

I think offering to meet her yourself before you meet the boys was a good thing to do, if she declined so be it.

I did meet my DSD for the first time in front of her Mum. It was awkward but DSD was tiny - toddling - so she didn't pick up on it much if at all.

At the age these boys are at, it would be so much harder as they'd be horribly aware of divided loyalties. I'd go as far as to say it would be very traumatic BECAUSE of her being there. I can't see any argument for it at 12 and 9 at all.

Also she has no right to 'refuse' to let your DP to introduce his girlfriend of 18 months to his children. Especially if they split 5 years ago and have already been introduced to two of her boyfriends. Your DP shouldn't even be entertaining this. He doesn't need permission. He's their parent as much as she is and should mark his place as such by raising them as he sees fit during his time with them.

What is contact like at the moment? Does he have the boys regularly and in his own home?

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Bananasinpyjamas1 · 07/10/2015 13:44

Wow, the Ex is SO controlling here! You will never have a good relationship while this controlling is allowed to continue. However, she may never change.

If I were you I'd wonder whether I could cope with being in a relationship with this man, it's not his fault his Ex is so controlling, but she obviously makes him feel so guilty that she is keeping a tight leash on him, and until he gets the strength to stand up to her, you will not be allowed by the Ex to have the space to flourish. Perhaps your DP is scared that contact with the kids will diminish - he has a decision to face - he either starts standing up to her and makes room for someone else or leads the rest of his life in his shadow.

I would insist that you meet the boys whenever it is ok for your DP and nothing to do with her - you must not let her control the situation. The trauma is being caused by her and her alone.

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Andsoitbegins88 · 08/10/2015 16:34

Sorry for delay in replying!

3phase: he has the boys at his house overnight on a wednesday & friday. He is pushing for alternate weekends but she is having none of that - definitely all about the control.

She regularly infers he won't see the boys if he doesn't give more money/change days/help more but I don't think she's ever done it.

Bananasinpyjamas1: she is extremely controlling and is very much the victim, everything is someone else's fault and she uses him as the outlet for all of her frustration. I think he's been on the receiving end for so long that he's become desensitised to how inappropriate and toxic that is. He's definitely standing up to her more and more now, without my prompting. He absolutely doesn't want her there when I meet the boys, it was me asking for advice as I don't want to be unsympathetic, and he's arranging something fun and brief for this weekend.

There is definitely a long road ahead and you're absolutely right that he's so full of guilt and she plays on that. However, we're making progress and with a bit of support he's dealing with it in the right way on his own. He's definitely contributed to her behaviour in allowing it (out of guilt, ease and fear of her following through on her threats re access to the boys) but he's got his eyes wide open now and I'm not going to let her ridiculous behaviour stop us progressing or being together. Not that I haven't considered it Grin

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VimFuego101 · 08/10/2015 16:37

I wouldn't let her be there - she had the choice to meet you and opted not to. I would give her a heads up about it a short time before - while the kids are already with their DP so she can't put any silly ideas in their heads about you.

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Bananasinpyjamas1 · 08/10/2015 19:41

Andso - wow yes you are dead right
I think he's been on the receiving end for so long that he's become desensitised to how inappropriate and toxic that is.
I think that is true about a lot of situations, although yours does sound quite extreme. And to expect him to become a different person overnight and stand up to her isn't reality either. At least he has you who sound like you are prepared to stick it out, good luck! It doesn't sound easy at all.

I don't think that this is always good advice, but once a twice, after my DPs Ex was being particularly awful, someone said to me 'If someone is being a complete bch - you have to be the bigger bch.' I took this as not - you know - turning into a horrible person! But standing up yourself and saying 'NO!'. I did this twice, basically said to my DP - unless you agree to my terms here and not EXs, then I'm out of the door - it did work but only to be used if you actually mean it! It worked because my DP, who I did feel sorry for, was choosing to aquiesce to Ex because she made his life so difficult if he didn't - so I had to up the stakes so that when he balanced his decision he had something to weigh up against - me leaving. Does that make any (mad) sense?!

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Andsoitbegins88 · 09/10/2015 09:04

bananasinpyjamas1 - makes perfect sense, actually! Up to now I've been really conscious not to be overly involved or have too much of an opinion - especially in the earlier days. I've also been warned by various people not to 'sink to her level' but I think you're right, in certain instances it might be beneficial to fight fire with fire. I might enjoy that too much, it's for his own good right Wink

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DontMindTheStep · 10/10/2015 09:11

Also tackle the intense amount of contact the ex is making. 20 times a day sometimes? This is a chief control weapon!

This toxic entanglement is permitted by your man and he needs to stop the ex. doing it.

He might say he is so used to it, it seems normal to him, and what can he do?, and he doesn't like it, it's her, not him. He makes it useful to her because he accepts this arrangement.

Treat emails as spam, block her mobile. Sounds extreme? Well it can be done with kindness. "I've got to use my work email and phone now." Or" "please use this email address 'Andsoitbegins@...' and only send urgent emails"
"I don't want the number of texts nor calls your making. Do contact me if it's urgent, but let's face it, I never get urgent messages, just loads of detail about your reactions to things, but if something crops up as an emergency about the children then do call me. I will do the same."

You will have to be firm to make him ween himself off dancing to the ex wife's controlling tune. Tell him you'll support him if he shows backbone and that you are always there to support him with his DS'S. That father son relationship is honour bound. Now separated in marriage, and divorcing, he wants a legal cut to the pairing with the ex. He parents his boys separately to his ex. They have parenting in common, of course, but the marriage is over.

By reckoning, it should take six weeks to form the new communication set up, but the resentment from a controlling ex can take some years to dispel.

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Andsoitbegins88 · 10/10/2015 14:09

dontmindthestep your response has actually made me feel quite emotional!

I suggested exactly that to DP and we (I) set up an email address just for them to use to communicate about the boys and the divorce (he's adamant they can work the financials out together, don't get me started on that!) and we composed a nicely worded email saying what it was for and why. She has refused to use it saying she won't be dictated to how/when she can contact him and he's essentially rolled over.

I'm so frustrated I could cry (today is an emotional day, it seems!) because he's allowing this behaviour. His response is he's trying to keep her onside because she holds all the power, in his eyes. He's using the email address but she refuses, so we've got a ridiculous situation where she replies to an email by text then he'll send his reply by email. But often he gets fed up of that & just replied by text, which undermines the whole thing.

It's so reassuring to hear your points of view ladies, thank you Flowers. I don't really talk about the situation much as not many people can understand so I often doubt my own thoughts or reactions.

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