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Smurfy1 · 27/02/2012 01:00

background We got DSD full time last month her mum decided that DSD was an awful child and she couldn't cope with her? The mum has 4 kids with 3 dad's and the 2 youngest have also been sent to their dad's they are 2 & 4yrs

DSD is 10 and a great kid really love her to bits but she has had significant emotional and physical abuse byt her mum ad stepdad :-(

I know it's only been 6 weeks since we got custody BUT we should surely be getting through to DSD by now shouldn't we?

Today she got told off for filling the shampoo bottle with water I mean WTF she's 10 surely she can bath by herself without things like this, I found out by needing to wash my hair before nightshift and watery shampoo coming out instead grrrr

so she was asked why
I dont know and a shrug
pushed and the answer was it fell in bath
okay so why didnt you tell us and a shrug this time witha scared face
so she was explained to again that this isn't mummys house and if you just tell us we would have been able to salvage or buy a replacement but you have to tell us as the flats too small to hide things from us, we are not angry you did it just angry you hid it then once she'd apologised we gave her a hug and we thought nothing of it.

At 9pm when OH switched off the dvd and the light she told him her leg hurt he took a look and she had cut herself on the thigh it turns out with his razor!!!!!!!

He feels like shite I'm at work feeling like shite and she cant express why just that she had been bad and that she needed puncished christ i can feel the tears coming just typing this


OH tried to explain that it's not upto her to punish herself and that the adults do this and she kept repeating at mummy's


She starts the counselling Nurture club at school tomorrow but we just feel so helpless and can't see how this can improve if she doesnt believe what we say

Last tuesday she said she thought she would be in trouble at school but the teacher didnt tell her off for anything I asked so why did you think this her answer "i just thought it was time"

I just feel so fucking angry at what the BM has done to gorgeous delightful child who now has no self esteem, thinks she is worthless

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Smurfy1 · 27/02/2012 01:36

Should also add that the BM has not wanted access and has cut off contact so weeone thinks she is bad and we will leave her like mummy

We have told her that mummy isn't very well and loves her enough to let us look after her while she gets better cos how can you tell a 10 yr old that mum prefers vodka and a man that hates kids

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chelen · 27/02/2012 09:15

Hi, just wanted to say I read your post, I am sure it will be very very tough for your DSD - and therefore for you trying to help/manage her.

Don't underestimate how long it takes her to trust or be open, my parents fostered for many years and we had children come at all ages who simply didn't believe they wouldn't get hit again. Also at times of stress children regress a lot and find it hard to do simple things. She may, for example, have been just thinking stuff in the bath and filled the bottle without noticing. Then if she is used to getting rockets/hit she will expect this so hide things.

I would say the main thing is to be totally open and honest with school/counsellors and GP about self harming, as it is such a serious response from her.

You might want to try and find plenty of support for yourselves too, it is hard enough being a stepmum with 'normal' (whatever that means!) levels of upset let alone this kind of sadness and hurt.

Good luck, am sure someone with more relevant experience will post. You could try the adoption/fostering boards about the self-harning/experiences of physical abuse, if no-one on here has experience, as I know my parents dealt with similar (I was only a kid so wasn't privy to coping/helping strategies all the time).

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Muchadoaboutnuthing · 27/02/2012 10:57

Hi, I'm a step parent but also a foster parent. We mainly look after teenage girls and some of them have self harmed for various reasons. We also had a 13 year old who used to punish herself, it she did something wrong we would give her a consequence such as no phone for x amount of time etc. But she always gave herself a worse punishment, she would break her phone, try to skip meals etc beacuse she thought thats what she deserved. Its a very hard cycle to break. We had a counsellor and psychiatrist involved to help so had plenty of support. Thats vital. Get as much help as you need, don't try to deal with it by yourself. Counselling is a good start but don't expect it to be a quick fix either, it can take years to undo the damage that has been done to these kids.
Most importantly just constantly reassure her of how much you love her. One thing that we have tried as well is to draw up a list of house rules and associated consequences with the child. For example we would say that if thy are late coming home they lose 1 hour of t.v time. That way sd knows what kind of punishment to expect and that it will not involve any sort of physical punishment. Again it can take a long time for them to trust that this will really happen but you just have to persevere.
Oh and the thing about filling the shampoo bottle, you may have to let a certain amount of behaviour like this go. We had a 13 yr old come from what sounds like a similar background to your sd and after being here a while she really regressed to an almost toddler state. She was sucking her thumb, biting (things and people), trying to sit on my lap, baby talk etc. The psych said that she was basically revisiting a stage of her development that had never been allowed to develop properly. Although filling a shampoo bottle might not be common behaviour for a lot of 10 yr olds it's worth picking your battles. I'm not saying let all bad behaviour go without a consequence but maybe give a bit of leeway for the time being. Good luck, its hard looking after children as troubled as this.

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purpleroses · 27/02/2012 14:34

So sorry for your DSD.

Can she access any proper counselling via the GP - the child mental health people can give some I think, esp if you tell them she's been self-harming.

My DCs' school has a nurture club at lunchtimes once a week - I always got the impression it was more of a refuge for DCs that were finding school difficult and needed a bit more support, but wasn't really counselling. Though maybe yours is different.

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Snowy27 · 27/02/2012 15:38

Hi
Just wanted to offer some ideas as someone who did self harm as a teenager- I wasn't abused or neglected I just found it hard to deal with the normal teenage feelings and emotions, and took them out on myself, I'm now a happy, healthy 20+ year old with a good job, husband and baby, so please don't think that self harming is a guarantee of long term problems, and it's a lot more common that people think.

In terms of dealing with the self harm the thing that helped me most was my parents non-judgemental attitude, they 'dealt' with the physical effects, or enabled me too but didn't insist that I talked to them about it and never made me feel bad, mad or weird for doing it, when you self harm you know it's not a healthy way to cope with your feelings, and you feel incredibly guilty for doing it but you can't find another way to cope. Eventually I was able to come to terms with how I felt and I was able to find better ways to cope with stress. This website might help:
www.nshn.co.uk/
Hope any of that makes sense or helps at all!

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Smurfy1 · 27/02/2012 18:34

Thanks Ladies

I spoke to her this morning as I was working last night and explained that what her mummy did when she was bad was wrong and that when she is naughty her daddy and I will set a punishment that is fair and that there is no need for you to punish herself and that we love her so much and she couldnt stop hugging me

After school tonight she asked so I don't need to punish myself? we both spoke to her and she seems to understand but this is going to take yrs! I am off wednesday so will be at the doctors office first thing to get help as SS didnt want to know

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awingandaprayer · 27/02/2012 19:41

Sounds a horrible situation, poor DSD, and the both of you too. :(

Seeing the GP sounds a good idea. If she's self harming at that age then I'd think CAMHS (child and adolescent mental health services) would be likely to see her and offer some more help than just the counselling from school.

I work in mental health and see a lot of people who've had a terrible time of it as children. 6 weeks is not long for her to come to terms with an awful lot of horrible stuff. If her behaviour has started to deteriorate a bit now or new things like self harming are emerging, although that obviously isn't great in one sense, it may be partly because she is now safe and can start to express things that she hasn't been able to before. She's obviously starting to talk to you too which is great. I'm also a stepmum and a mediator once recommended 'How to talk so kids will listen and how to listen so kids will talk' by Adele Faber and Elaine Mazlish. Its a little bit American but the ideas fit really well with what I learnt in child psychiatry. Even though I work with adults now I still recommend my trainees read it as a lot of the ideas seem to me to make a lot of good psychological sense (not just with children but with adults with psychological problems about dealing with emotions and being understood and heard too). There's a good section on ways of encouraging and 'allowing' children to express difficult emotions whilst making them to feel contained and safe. Perhaps try that whilst you wait for CAMHS?

The other thing I wanted to say to you is that probably the biggest protective factor that helps children to come to terms with things and move on is when they have someone who loves them, believes them when they say what has happened to them, has fought to make them safe and sticks by them. It sounds like she has that in you and your partner so even though you may feel helpless at times - you're already giving her what she needs to get her through this. :) Also as snowy says lots of people come through the most difficult things and end up happy, healthy and leading the lives they want.

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Smurfy1 · 27/02/2012 20:04

Well just spoke to NHS direct and they would not think the doctor would refer DSD due to her not being in the abusive situation anymore

So I went to the CAHMS website I also got this off the website

Who to refer Referrals will be considered across a range of priority according to the following criteria:
Evidence of mental health problem
Risk assessment - risk of self harm / life threatening behaviour
Symptom severity
Degree of psychosocial impairment
Urgent Referrals include:

Rapid weight loss
Emerging Psychosis
At risk of suicide or serious self harm

As a tertiary service, CAMHS can not accept direct referrals from young people or parent / carers.


Who not to refer Children and young people over 18 years of age at initial presentation.
Young people without a suspected mental health problem.
Young people with severe learning difficulties / neurological condition / family breakdown / abuse / neglect / conduct problems / alcohol or drug misuse without a suspected mental health problem.

According to the daft woman on NHS direct her taking her daddys razor is not SERIOUS self harm due to her telling him about it WTF so we will have to pay for her to see some1 it looks like otherwise I go in Oink mode at doctors and demand help on Wednesday LOL

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awingandaprayer · 27/02/2012 20:15

I think she's wrong too.

We tended to NOT take children when they were still in the abusive situation. The first priority at this point is not therapy and talking but action to make the child safe. We tended to try to involve social services at that point and then accept referrals only when they were in a position where they could benefit. Therapy is pretty useless if they're still in an abusive situation.

Your stepdaughter has escaped her abuse and is now at a stage where she could benefit. Self harming at 10 should not be ignored and I would think your GP will know this and refer even if the NHS direct woman doesn't.

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Smurfy1 · 27/02/2012 23:46

Got a text from OH saying he had to give her loads of cuddles and she wanted him to sleep in her bed as she was scared we would leave her and forget about her like mummy she is still apologising for the shampoo and said your still angry with me your just waiting to punish me like mummy did :(

DSD also asked if she would ever see mummy again to which my OH told her mummy is not very well and has problems I can't say if mummy will get better but if she does she will want to see you

As how can you tell a 10 yr old that your mum has chosen a man over you and didnt even want access and has changed phone numbers and blocked us on FB!

poor wee thing knows I'm nightshift but thinks I don't want to be with her when the truth is I changed to perm nightshift til March so we could get her into school, clubs and a routine

Just want to cuddle her and never let go

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Smurfy1 · 27/02/2012 23:47

Can I ask how do Foster parents do this and cope?

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pinkbraces · 29/02/2012 12:57

please go and see your GP, Im sure they will refer you to CAHMS. My 15 yr old DSD came to live with us last year, she hasnt spoken to her mum since June 3rd 2011. Various emotional abuse issues.

Her GP referred her to a counsellor (we had to wait about four months) and she was also seen by the school counsellor. Please ignore the woman at NHS direct and see your GP.

Im sure with your help your SD will come through this. My SD is now thriving :)

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Smurfy1 · 30/04/2012 00:57

We just got our initial appointment through for CAHMS its June thank god

DSD is bottling up all this and its terrible knowing I can't help her and scared at what she hasnt told us yet it recently came out that mummy used a belt but never where the red marks would show WTF

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chelen · 30/04/2012 08:59

Hi, so great you will be getting CAMHS support.

You are helping her, you really are - you are listening, you have made her safe and you care. I know it is horrible knowing you can't undo what has been done but you are doing things that will help her heal.

Take care of yourself too, it sounds like a very upsetting situation all round and to help your DSD you need to look after yourself well.

If she is letting out even little bits then she is starting to trust you so that is a good sign I think.

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Smurfy1 · 30/04/2012 19:35

Thanks xx

Im just so knackered all the time OH can't "get" it which means Im using all my energy spare explaining how she cant help her reactions and punishments arent the answer talking and getting her learned way changed slowly its bloody wearing I mean I feel im on the verge of tears most days

She saw her maternal gran last Wed and even though I did what the school asked and [rewarned them they let her get that angry she spat at some1 wtf. Would it be easier to stop contact? Just fgoto email, sype and phone until Cahms? Or would that just be a cop out and do more harm to DSD

No idea at present winging it til I crack I think

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chelen · 30/04/2012 20:56

Hi, I think advice would be not to stop contact unless the contact itself is damaging, the fact her feelings get all stirred up is natural. If gran is behaving in a way that upsets her when they are together then of course might be best to stop.

What I would say is you can't get it right all the time. Accept that now. If you try to get every single decision right you'll go crazy.

What you are doing is giving her somewhere safe away from physical harm and you are trying, you are getting her support, talking to school, listening to her. That's all extremely positive.

Your OH may find it hard to accept how she behaves because to see her this way will be upsetting for him. Do you think he would consider a parenting course as he is presumably learning about all this very quickly and it must be a lot to take in? That way maybe you could go and learn together rather than the pressure being on you to try to explain to him all the time.

We're all winging it Wink

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Smurfy1 · 30/04/2012 22:37

We had hoped that getting back in contact with the Gran would help DSD, the gran has promised DSD a text every night (we did say that that was unrealistic) that lasted 2 wks and in the last 4 DSD has 3. Then it was i will email you that also was a let down for DSD and heartbrteaking when she runs to check and see's nothing, I even txted the woman to say you have an email it still took 2 days for DSD to get a reply and it's us to pick up the pieces as DSD adores her granny and loves seeing her but the aftermath really is an aftermath we get her reverting to stealing food, wetting herself, the anger is spectactular and then its the hysterics and the not wanting us out of her sight incase we dont come back. On top of that sher still doesnt trust us not to punish her like mummy and that is coming out in drips with the latest one being that mummy would put her across her knee and on her bare skin beat her with "whatever came to hand" but DSD then looks at you and says but it's okay cos no-one could see the red marks

OMG what can you say to that i mean Christ your mum is meant to protect you

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Smurfy1 · 30/04/2012 22:56

I think my main fear is that OH & I are somehow allowing this vicious circle to continue and that maybe a time of Skype, call contact may help til she see's a councellor

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NanaNina · 01/05/2012 14:52

I am a retired social worker with 30 years experience in child protection, fostering and adoption. When you say you have full "custody"of this child, do you mean you have a Residence Order, so I am assuming you went through an assessment with social sevices or CAFCASS social workers? I am asking this because you clearly did not realise what you were taking on and it seems no one warned you either. Can I ask did the child's father have contact with her from whenever he and his ex split up. Did this contact include you?

You have a very emotionally damaged child on your hands, and given that she was living in an abusive family for 10 years, her emotional problems will be very severely entrenched and could be enduring I'm afraid. The fact that you thought you could turn things around in 6 weeks demonstrates that you were in no way prepared for having this child to live with you. Please don't think I am criticising you at all, I just think whoever was involved in the court case should have warned you about what might lie ahead.

Incidentally do you have children of your own - it doesn't sound like it as you don't mention any, so would it be that you don't have any experience of parenting and although your DH must have done at some point, he can't "get it" now, which is adding to the stress you are already suffering. Incidentally on no account must your DH sleep with the child. Is there any possibility that she has been sexually abused, as if so, children very often make sexual overtures towards men and indulge in sexualised behaviour.

I know some posters have mentioned books that sound like they would be worth reading, but to be honest I think what you need to find out about is "attachment disorder" and there are many books on the subject. Very briefly children who are loved and cared for and have a trusted adult to meet their needs will grow up to develop secure attachments, conversely children who are abused/neglected will learn that adults are not to be trusted and will have to find a way of surviving in an abusive situation (this finding a way to survive won't be conscious of course) it will be done at a subconscious level. These children will grow up with insecure attachments and will show all kinds of difficult behaviours. There is usually a very big gap between a child's chronological age and her emotional age, and this has to be recognised and attended to, and she needs to be allowed to regress at times, as she may well be functioning around the 6/7 age range.

I'm afraid love is not enough for these children. They almost need to be re-parented and allowed to regress. I remember one girl of about 11 who loved playing a picture lotto game designed for a child of 3, because she could actually do it and this gave her a sense of achievement. Some children will want to be held and shown picture books, nursery rhymes, whatever. I think you've probably realised that the child should not have been taken to task about the shampoo bottle incident.

It sounds as though this child is wanting very much to please and doesn't know whether she is on the right track, and will be confused and stressed as she tries to adapt to a completely different set of circumstances. The self harm is worrying, especially with a razor - was it just a scratch or a deep cut. Self harm is a "coping mechanism" for children and adults when the emotional pain becomes too hard to bear and they need to do something to stop it.

I see that she has an appt with CAMHS and to be honest I was never impressed with them, though of course it does depend on the individual you get. In the LA where I worked we had a very competent clinical psychologist who used to advise foster carers and adoptors how to cope with a child with attachment disorders. These children have very low self esteem and feel themselves as worthless and this can be manifested in different type of behaviour. Often they are bullied at school and are unable to maintain and keep friendships.

SO I think you should start reading up on Attachment Theory and gain an understanding of how a child is affected and the best way to help such a child. I'm sure such books are on Amazon but you could also look at the "British Agencies for Fostering & Adoption" (BAAF) as they have a range of helpful books that can be purchased.

I honestly think that any kind of talking therapy is just not right for a child in this predicament. Talking therapies require a degree of insight and adults struggle with this, let alone a traumatised child. The best way of helping the child would be by play therapy as this allows the child to express their emotions through play. I have a friend who is a play therapist and I have learned quite a bit from her. It is completely non directive, so the child is invited to play with whatever they like (there are the usual toys but with lots of play people, houses etc and sand and water play. One little girl did nothing but draw a big X in the sand tray for the first few sessions, as she was so "stuck" but later began making mud with the sand and water and rubbing it in the dolls face very vigorously and then all over the child's body. Apparently most children my friend sees are angry and this can come out in play. Naturally she talks to the parents and more importantly she teaches the parents how to do play therapy at home for about an hour a day, again by being non directive but observing what the child is doing. With a 10 year old drawing and painting would be good too. The downside of all this is that it is expensive (about £50 an hour)

Even more expensive are organisations that help attachment disordered childen and their parents (Family Futures is one of them) and the charges are enormous but they get very good results.

Phew sorry post so long and do take care of yourself as I think you are feeling unable to help the child, and if you are to help this child I think her dad has to play his part. Oh just a bit about contact. This is almost always a problem, as promises are not kept and then you have to deal with the child's disappointment and anger at being let down. I wasn't sure what you meant about contact with her gran and the child spit at someone. Was this taking place in the school and was it being supervised by anyone. Would it be possible for you or her dad to be there when she has contact with her gran. YOu will have to expect this contact to stir up all sorts of emotions for the child which again can manifest themselves in a variety of ways. Oh one more thing you did mention "stealing food" - what do you mean by this, and why is taking what she wants considered to be "stealing" - sorry I know this sounds a bit harsh but it did worry me to read that.

You are in for the long haul and you may well be able to help this little girl to feel emotionally secure again.

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Smurfy1 · 01/05/2012 20:04

"I am a retired social worker with 30 years experience in child protection, fostering and adoption. When you say you have full "custody"of this child, do you mean you have a Residence Order, so I am assuming you went through an assessment with social sevices or CAFCASS social workers? I am asking this because you clearly did not realise what you were taking on and it seems no one warned you either. Can I ask did the child's father have contact with her from whenever he and his ex split up. Did this contact include you? "


Hi No they split up when DSD was 8 months old and she stopped access when DSD was 18 months old when OH was advised to stop giving cash and get proof of maint. We were together 4 months after the access stopped and OH has been fought for access for 6 yrs eventually getting it when DSD was 8. SS were not interested due to ?lack of evidence and the mum painting DSD as a pathological liar with ADHD & learning difficulties, we got DSD on the Sunday with PR forms completed and a letter stating she was giving DSD to me and OH (my name first?) full custody and full PR & that she did not access. Our lawyer has confirmed she will have to go to court to break this letter. So no court case, no help, SS gave BM 7 days notice to inspect the house didn?t want to speak to DSD, us and told us over the phone the case was closed as the house was tidy enough and the eldest was ok and had been promised an Ipad

I never said I expected to turn it all around in 6 weeks but seeing how we had access for a third of the yr for the last 2 we didn?t expect DSD to act like she didn?t know or trust us when living with us full time.

I don?t have children of my own but I was emotionally abused and beaten by my mum so atleast know what she is going through and that experience does help the difference is that this mum picked and chose hich kid to do it too and left the other 3 alone

I never said that OH slept with DSD I said she wanted him too. He refused saying that daddies sleep in their own beds and no she has definitely not been sexually abused and shows no signs of sexualized behaviour she just doesn?t know what das do so has tried to copy how I cuddle Oh, but this was explained by OH very well explaining that DD cuddles were special and different to Smufty1 cuddles etc

"There is usually a very big gap between a child's chronological age and her emotional age, and this has to be recognised and attended to, and she needs to be allowed to regress at times, as she may well be functioning around the 6/7 age range."

She did regress to dolls houses and prams, which we bought her and we realised this very quickly and have and would never stop her

"I'm afraid love is not enough for these children. They almost need to be re-parented and allowed to regress. I remember one girl of about 11 who loved playing a picture lotto game designed for a child of 3, because she could actually do it and this gave her a sense of achievement. Some children will want to be held and shown picture books, nursery rhymes, whatever. I think you've probably realised that the child should not have been taken to task about the shampoo bottle incident."

I never said she was taken to task I asked her and explained, that would just take away any trust she was gathering if I had shouted at her over that, at the end of the day it was shampoo

"It sounds as though this child is wanting very much to please and doesn't know whether she is on the right track, and will be confused and stressed as she tries to adapt to a completely different set of circumstances."

Very true

"The self harm is worrying, especially with a razor - was it just a scratch or a deep cut. Self harm is a "coping mechanism" for children and adults when the emotional pain becomes too hard to bear and they need to do something to stop it."

It was as explained she wanted to punish herself as mummies punishments always hurt, she has thankfully only repeated this 1 more time scratching herself and since as we sat her down and explained things and that mummy was ill also alot of reassuring her

"I see that she has an appt with CAMHS and to be honest I was never impressed with them, though of course it does depend on the individual you get. In the LA where I worked we had a very competent clinical psychologist who used to advise foster carers and adoptors how to cope with a child with attachment disorders. These children have very low self esteem and feel themselves as worthless and this can be manifested in different type of behaviour. Often they are bullied at school and are unable to maintain and keep friendships."

She was like this in January but has came on a wee bit not a lot but enough to encourage we are going in the right way and is being bullied and has 5 friends which is alot for her

"I honestly think that any kind of talking therapy is just not right for a child in this predicament. Talking therapies require a degree of insight and adults struggle with this, let alone a traumatised child. The best way of helping the child would be by play therapy as this allows the child to express their emotions through play. I have a friend who is a play therapist and I have learned quite a bit from her. It is completely non directive, so the child is invited to play with whatever they like (there are the usual toys but with lots of play people, houses etc and sand and water play. One little girl did nothing but draw a big X in the sand tray for the first few sessions, as she was so "stuck" but later began making mud with the sand and water and rubbing it in the dolls face very vigorously and then all over the child's body. Apparently most children my friend sees are angry and this can come out in play. Naturally she talks to the parents and more importantly she teaches the parents how to do play therapy at home for about an hour a day, again by being non directive but observing what the child is doing. With a 10 year old drawing and painting would be good too. The downside of all this is that it is expensive (about £50 an hour) "

Thanks I will look into this

"I wasn't sure what you meant about contact with her gran and the child spit at someone. Was this taking place in the school and was it being supervised by anyone. Would it be possible for you or her dad to be there when she has contact with her gran. YOu will have to expect this contact to stir up all sorts of emotions for the child which again can manifest themselves in a variety of ways. Oh one more thing you did mention "stealing food" - what do you mean by this, and why is taking what she wants considered to be "stealing" - sorry I know this sounds a bit harsh but it did worry me to read that."

Access with the gran has always been supervised by either both of us or myself or just my OH, She hoards food, sorry it was easier just to type ?stealing? so she gets up and takes stupid things like a packet of dry cream crackers and eats them but she has a special place in the fridge with cheese strings and fruit cups etc in she was often not fed at Bm?s and we always had to play catch up with vitamins, milk calcium etc on access visits. If she thinks she is or will be in trouble she comfort eats in the night we find wrappers, packets and fruit peel hidden in her bed, behind the drawers etc. we how have got her to understand it?s not stealing and it has reduced BUT resurfaces after grans access as does wetting herself, massive anger tantrums to get punished issues at school the latest being the spitting at someone.


We do expect issues it would rather naïve not to TBH

"You are in for the long haul and you may well be able to help this little girl to feel emotionally secure again."

Its going to take years! and thanks for your reply I hope I have answered ok but am on 6 th nightshift atm and was up early this afternoon due to DSD being in a school play (she even had a speaking bit)

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Smurfy1 · 01/05/2012 20:13

We are finding that being consistant, reminding her (along the lines of) well did you get punished for that here last year? answer being no, then why would you now does help and loads of encouragement and patience is turnig the tide as she seemed to forget the last 2 yrs of access visits

which is why i love being able to vent (even though badly worded at times) here where i'm not expected to keep it altogether all the time

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NanaNina · 01/05/2012 21:14

Oh Smurfy - I think my post has made you a bit defensive, as though I am being critical. I'm sorry about this, as this was definitely not my intention, but I know I can be a bit too direct sometimes. It's just the way it comes across in a post.

I am so sorry about your difficult childhood and I'm sure this has helped you enormously to feel empathy for this child. You do need to remember to be kind to yourself as you sound like you are working very hard as well as caring for your SD. Hope her dad too will be able to see that his daughter is going to need a lot of emotional help in the months to come.

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Smurfy1 · 01/05/2012 21:31

Sorry you kinda did, but I also wanted to answer you and I always find by getting asked difficult questions I learn abit more having to answer them if that makes sense? so thanks Smile

Did have a mini breakthrough yesterday thoough DSD showed empathy when i hurt myself, before she would either leave the room, ignore it or stare waiting for it to be her fault somehow but yesterday she ran to me wanting to hug me better asking if I was okay (silly me burnt myself on cooker, not bad though just hand brushed the oven door)

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SofiaAmes · 07/05/2012 05:50

Smurfy1, you clearly have a big project on your hands. Taking on a 10 year old girl is hard enough, but taking on one with emotional problems when you have not experience of kids of your own is even harder. I think that you will have to figure out how to let a lot more go than you might have thought you would to begin with. For example, getting water in the shampoo bottle. No, it's not unusual for a 10 year old to do something like that. Especially a 10 year old who comes from an abusive household where she may not have been taught how to shampoo her hair in the bath. There will be things like this every day and every hour and if you are going to make this journey successful, you will have to figure out how to cope with them and not always be telling off your dsd. In this case, it probably would have been more effective to talk to your dsd the next day (once you were cooled down) and without criticizing her, show her how to place the shampoo bottle on the side of the bath, or how to close it properly or see if she wanted some empty bottles to play with in the bath. My dd is 9.5 and although she takes mostly showers, she still loves a leisurely play in the bath with a million Barbies and empty plastic bottles.
My dd (who is generally a happy well-adjusted child) went through a phase of doing naughty things or asking incessantly for things she knew I would say no to (like candy in the middle of dinner). I found, with the help of a therapist, that giving dd a big hug and a kiss and telling her how much I loved her and completely ignoring (not in a nasty way, but just not paying it any heed) her requests and bad behavior would dissipate the bad behavior and result in extra good behavior for weeks afterwards. The behavior was never super bad stuff, just silly little things that she knew she wasn't meant to do and it was clearly a call for attention. So by giving her attention, but not attaching it to the behavior, she stopped seeking the attention and eventually got to the point where she could come to me and say, "mummy, I need a hug" or "I'm feeling needy, can I sleep in your bed tonight."

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SofiaAmes · 07/05/2012 05:53

My dh came from a terribly abusive childhood. And used to do things all the time that would just make me think "how could you say/do that." Like telling the kids to "shut up" when he wanted quiet. And when I talked to him about it, he didn't even realize how unpleasant it was, because that was all he had ever heard from his dad. And he was perfectly happy to do it another way that was nicer and delighted with the positive results. and I think you will find the same with your dsd. She has only seen one, not very positive, way of doing and saying things and she will need lots of encouragement and love to learn to do things differently. I hope that you can find some help with your all of this.

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