F1 silly season

(397 Posts)
EauRouge Mon 29-Jul-13 18:35:48

It's getting very silly now with these rumours of Alonso going to Red Bull- can't see it happening. I hope it won't be Kimi either. Seb needs a good number 2 behind him, someone that won't challenge him for the championship. I reckon Ricciardo is Red Bull's best bet.

EauRouge Wed 31-Jul-13 08:47:13

And now there are rumours that Ferrari have made Kimi an offer. Does anyone except me care? grin

HilariousLotus Wed 31-Jul-13 12:17:38

I was hoping someone else on here would be talking about F1 but i have only just found this very small sports thread so here i am smile

I cant see Alonso going to RBR because he likes to be top dog just look what happened with him a Mclaren it just wont work plus Seb does not want him to be in the other side of the garage and since he is the pet of RBR it is just not going to happen

Kimi is a bit of a dark horse with this move to RBR when i first heard about it i did not think anything of it i thought literally here we go with the silly season again but i think it is gaining more traction because he has not been paid or has only just been paid by Lotus and he has been unhappy to say the least that they have failed to pay him for so long plus he is a race winner so i think he is going to end up at RBR and he is definitely not going to go to Ferrari to much bad blood after they let him go to bring in Alonso

I do not think Massa has a seat a Ferrari for next year he has had 4 crashes in as many races and i do not know what has happened to him but i think he is dropping backwards in the grid possibly to Williams or maybe even Lotus

I really want Di Resta to move from Force India because he is a good driver and he is having some really bad luck with them and i know they are punching way above their weight in terms of there finances and where they are in the championship but still they keep making mistakes which means he has to come from the back of the field to keep scoring points which he does but he shouldn't have to so i think he is going to move hopefully up the grid to the vacant Ferrari seat Massa is going to leave

HilariousLotus Wed 31-Jul-13 12:21:45

I think Williams are going to keep both their drivers because they bring in sponsorship i think its something like £30 million for Pastor which as i can see is the only reason they are keeping him because there are much better drivers in the field and i cant remember off the top of my head how much the sponsorship is of Bottas but its definitely enough to keep him at the team especially since they have only scored one point this season (due to no small part because of Saubers retirement) and it does not look likely that they are going to score any more realistically that car can barely get out of qually 1 and they know it

Apologies for my rather large posts but its will be good to talk about F1 with someone who doesn't think i am weird smile

EauRouge Wed 31-Jul-13 14:19:17

It is nice to talk about F1 without getting a blank look and "isn't it just some cars going round in circles?".

Think you're right about the Williams line-up; wasn't there some doubt about Maldonado's sponsorship money after the death of Chavez though? Maldonado has moments where he's pretty quick, when he's not crashing into someone or something.

I don't know how Kimi would get on at Red Bull- they need someone that will do as they're told, not someone that will fuck off for an ice cream halfway through a race. Also they are big on media stunts and he's meant to hate that kind of thing. I'd hate to see him as a number 2 driver, he could easily win the championship again given the right car and the right team.

juneau Wed 31-Jul-13 14:39:13

I had to laugh when some journo asked Alonso what he'd like for his birthday and he said 'Someone else's car'. Apparently he got a massive dressing down from Luca di Montezemolo for that one. Ferrari need a kick up the backside though - they're the richest team by far - so you'd think they could win some races on a regular basis. They were only decent when they had Schumacher working with them.

EauRouge Wed 31-Jul-13 19:42:43

That was brilliant grin He must be getting so pissed off, he's driving his socks off and that car is just slow. Ferrari have no excuse, hopefully the staff shake-up will improve things.

HilariousLotus Wed 31-Jul-13 19:58:35

I like having discussions with people who understand it is not just about driving round in circles (the tracks are generally oval with curves anyway) but that these drivers are extremely in shape i mean look at Jenson and his triathlons he does i mean none of them are in it for a easy life

I don't know what it is about Maldonado i just can't take to him i am not sure what is it but it just makes me a little sad that Williams have gone so far backwards this year i mean how can you make so many mistakes but then again look at Mclaren they just went in the totally wrong direction and are struggling to get out of it which is a shame because Jenson seems like such a nice bloke i want him to be at least challenging for the title

I think my issue is with so many pay drivers in the sport and thats why maybe i slightly do not like Maldonado, Max chilton whose dad is paying for him to be in F1 and the idea that possibly nico Hulkenberg is going to be pushed out of Sauber not because he is going to walk because again they are not paying him but because they are going to be forced to put Sergey Sirotkin in a seat because of these Russian investors however i would like him to move up the grid rather than out the sport completely

HilariousLotus Wed 31-Jul-13 20:03:40

When Alonso was talking about getting a new car i knew that would not go down well he has been very outspoken recently which is unlike Ferrari they are very much lets close ranks and not talk to anyone about our issues unless he wants to be fired like Alan Prost did back in 91 i think it was when he said how bad the car was but i do doubt it because if you talk out of turn like that i doubt RBR are going to hire you

Kimi recently talked about the whole PR thing in a press conference i am sure and said something along the lines of how it is only reported he does 10 days of PR and he said it was rubbish that he doesn't like it but he does more than that however you have to think he is moving from Lotus there is nowhere else he can go except RBR is there unless he goes 180 and goes to Mercedes if Nico R ends up somewhere else but i just dont logically see it

What do you think is going to happen to Roman? is he staying at Lotus do you think or moving elsewhere or out the sport ??

Signing in grin
I'm mainly interested in what Kimi is doing, I'm a big fan!

I read before he even came back that RBR would give him a seat if he did well.
Kimi being Kimi though no way will he be no2, and nor should he.

Your name makes me smile EauRouge

EauRouge Wed 31-Jul-13 20:52:24

Hello, Netto, I remember you from previous F1 threads.

All the stuff in the news about Grosjean makes me laugh, Bouiller is always defending him- well, he would, being his manager. He's the same as Maldonado- he has good moments when he's not crashing, but he crashes a lot.

I hate the whole pay driver thing too. I get that teams need the money to help develop the cars but I don't want to see any old rich kid behind the wheel, let's have some talent as well.

HilariousLotus Wed 31-Jul-13 21:02:38

I have a huge soft spot for Kimi i always used to feel bad for him for his horrific luck that he had at Mclaren but this season and last season has made me laugh especially driving off the wrong way at brazil with the excuse that the gate used to be open i mean who else could get away with it except him and saying Perez needed a punch in the face after Monaco ... come to think of it he would be a bit of a PR nightmare for RBR wouldn't he but it would be so much fun to watch him in a extraordinary car

My mind is out on Grosjean he does seem to crash a lot i mean Spa last year was horrific but he just is not consistant enough and your right if Boullier was not his manager you could imagine his tone being a lot different

KatieHalfPrice Wed 31-Jul-13 21:16:35

I fully expected Lotus to have put massive rubber bumpers on Grosjean's car by now grin He must be costing them a fortune in new bodywork.

I'm another who really hope DiResta gets a decent team and car next year. He has the potential to be great in the right car.

Interested to see the outcome of the RBR/Alonso rumours.

Kimi should've won in 2005.
I'm not bitter, not at all!

EauRouge Wed 31-Jul-13 21:26:05

Kimi is ace. I still want this t shirt.

HRHwheezing Wed 31-Jul-13 21:26:47

I can't see vettell and alonso working together. Neither would enjoy it.

muppetthecow Wed 31-Jul-13 21:33:14

Another one here hoping for DiResta to get a good seat next year; he's got so much potential. I'd love to see him get the RBR or Ferrari drive but I think Ricciardo is looking good for the former at the mo. Tbh, I like him too, he seems like a decent bloke unlike Alonso who I think is vile

Grosjean is improving but I still hold my breath every time he tries to pass someone! Think he needs some sort of a Star Trek style force shield around his car grin

I want a t-shirt that says, 'I was busy taking a shit'.

Have you been to Spa?
Eau Rouge is so steep, I know that sounds silly, but it really is, I had to walk down it sideways so as not to fall down.

EauRouge Wed 31-Jul-13 21:42:38

Yes, we went in 2007 and had seats right at the top of Eau Rouge. I think we're still paying for them grin but it was worth it. I couldn't get over how steep it was either, they had Mini Cooper racing as one of the support races and several of them took off. I'd shit myself driving up there at full speed.

I'd like to see DiResta at Ferrari, that'd be good. I don't know how much longer they'll hang on to Massa.

HilariousLotus Wed 31-Jul-13 21:59:12

My favourite Kimi quote is "Well in summer there’s fishing and shagging And in winter the fishing is bad" all said with that look

Maybe thats the reason Lotus has been having money troubles all the crashes Grosjean has been having he has probably single handedly doubled each weekends bodywork budget

EagleNebula Wed 31-Jul-13 22:00:30

I can't see Kimi move to RBR although if he does I think it would wind Vettel up no end, same with Alonso - Vettel is used to the fairly diplomatic Webber and neither Kimi nor Alonso would quietly play second fiddle. Hope Kimi stays with Lotus, I think the team suits him.

I think Massa will hang on another season but I'm more interested in Rob Smedley, he bleeds Ferrari red so will he stay there when the time comes or move with his best pal I luffs him

I have the Kimi tshirt (different design though, it's my pride and joy!) and Eau Rouge is phenomenal, in fact thought Spa itself was stunning all round apart from the bastard wasps.

HilariousLotus Wed 31-Jul-13 22:11:33

Oh i have to ask did anyone elses mind go off when they saw Alonso and Mark holding hands skipping down the paddock or was that just me?

Don't even get me started on Rob and Massa and the whole calling him baby over the radio mind wanders

EauRouge Thu 01-Aug-13 06:51:56

Oh no, we're not going to start talking about fanfic are we? I never recovered from reading that Top Gear fanfic <shudders>

EauRouge Thu 01-Aug-13 06:52:27

Having said that, I bet there is loads of Massa/Smedley fanfic.

HilariousLotus Thu 01-Aug-13 10:08:32

Fanfic? No i was just in my head thinking how close you have to be to hold hands and literally skip down the paddock ... just a little bit of innocent mind wandering

I was going to google fanfic but after your shuddering maybe i won't, am i really out of the loop that i don't know what that is?

EauRouge Thu 01-Aug-13 10:14:42

NOOOO, do not google fanfic. I didn't know what it was either and I wish I could un-know.

Has anyone heard any more rumours about Ferrari's line up for next year? I've been googling but keep finding silly season rumours from 2007 hmm

HilariousLotus Thu 01-Aug-13 12:00:03

The only rumors i have heard about the Ferrari seat is that Alonso will stay but Massa's seat is going to be up for grabs possibly by Nico Hulkenberg or Jules Bianchi up for that seat

There have been some rumblings about Mclaren not keeping hold of Perez next season because of his inability to get along with Jenson and out of the two of them they want to keep Jenson unless of course Jenson moves up the grid to Lotus with that spare seat when Kimi goes?

grimbletart Sun 04-Aug-13 23:30:41

Only just found this thread....I bet Vettel would prefer Ricciardo (even though he says he doesn't mind) because he would be a definite No 2.

I'd love to see Kimi in a Red Bull and how it panned out between him and Vettel.....

juneau Mon 05-Aug-13 08:22:58

I'd love to see the fireworks at RBR if either Kimi or Alonso joins Vettel. Vettel is an incredible driver, but he's like a spoilt child and he loves being the golden boy while poor old Webber always gets to play second fiddle. I'd put a bet on how many races it would take Vettel to throw all his toys out of the pram if he didn't get preferential treatment!

I'd love to go to Spa. Actually, it's my dream to win the lottery and be able to go to every race one season [wistful look]

EauRouge Mon 05-Aug-13 08:31:37

His temper tantrums are his major flaw- if he learnt to keep his cool a bit better he'd be even more difficult to beat. I expect it'll improve with age and we'll be able to look forward to years of him winning every single chuffing race hmm

EauRouge Mon 05-Aug-13 08:45:14

Flavio reckons Alonso is staying put.

Frettchen Tue 06-Aug-13 12:37:24

<joins eagerly>

I reckon Seb'll be tolerable in a few years. Lewis had some silly moments of being arrogant/argumentative, and seems to have grown out of them. Surely Seb'll grow up a bit too...?

For that reason I would rather Kimi join RBR than Ricciardo. I like Ricciardo, but I think Kimi would be better for Seb (by which I mean no-nonsense and a challenge performance-wise)

di Resta in Ferrari with Alonso would be awesome, both for advancing di Resta's chances, and for getting rid of Massa. (I may have a bit of a soft spot for Rob Smedley though - more of him on screen please!)

HilariousLotus Tue 06-Aug-13 17:17:42

Apparently the Alonso going to RBR rumors are not being squashed by Christian Horner because they are being used to lower the wage demands of Kimi but if they are not lower they are going to go with Riccardo for a year

I still think Mercedes should've got a harsher penalty for the not so secret tyre test because look at the teams form since then, the tyres have held up so they got a lot of data and knowledge from it or they have found a magic genie

Also there have been rumblings about RBR not keeping hold of Adrian Newey for much longer which would be a bad bad thing and something they should avoid if they want to keep winning the man is a genuis

EauRouge Tue 06-Aug-13 17:19:33

Ooh, they'll want to keep hold of Newey. I wonder why he would leave? Early retirement?

HilariousLotus Wed 07-Aug-13 22:20:25

There is apparently rumblings that he has had some issues with the owners and may be looking to change teams which would not end well for RBR but would be very welcome for any team he joined

In my opinion RBR should throw all the money they have at Newey to keep him they would be very very lost otherwise

<marks place>

EauRouge Sun 11-Aug-13 12:19:42

I am so bored of the mid-season break already and there's still 2 weeks to go until Spa.

EauRouge Wed 14-Aug-13 18:40:04

Finally, some gossip.

"Right now, we're really not giving any thought to the driver-market situation," said a Ferrari spokesman. Yeah, if you say so grin

Frettchen Thu 15-Aug-13 17:10:55

I like that they followed that quote up with;
"Drivers are not a problem for us even if we were to change Felipe."

Which says to me that they very much are giving it some thought. Especially as it's probably true - Ferrari no doubt have a queue of drivers more than willing to work for them.

DameDeepRedBetty Thu 15-Aug-13 17:18:50

So far the only opportunity any of us have ever had to see what might happen if Sebastian Vettel had a real run for his money has been Star in a Reasonably Priced Car. And he wasn't the fastest was he? <heh heh>

<Not a Vettel fan. Can you tell?>

Frettchen Thu 15-Aug-13 17:37:41

I was at Silverstone this year and got to talking to one of the Crowd Marshals, and she was saying how for the last couple of years the anti-Vettel feeling has been very noticeable; the cheers when he's passed and just generally the cheers for anyone except him.

I would feel bad for the guy were he not such an arse!

sunshinemeg Thu 15-Aug-13 17:58:26

Loving the thread, although I did get a little distracted with the t-shirt link.

Personally I am hugely disappointed for Jenson at the moment, really hope to see him achieving more. I am or rather was a huge mclaren fan, and personally would love to see Di Resta join them!

HilariousLotus Sun 18-Aug-13 20:27:58

Daniel Riccardo will be announced as Vettels team mate at the Belgium gp according to Sport Bild

So looks like Kimi is staying at lotus

EauRouge Sun 18-Aug-13 21:33:52

Do you think he will stay? They'll have to cough up a bit more cash. I can't see where else he would go though, unless he really does go back to Ferrari.

I wouldn't be surprised about Ricciardo, I really think he's RB's best option.

HilariousLotus Sun 18-Aug-13 21:48:30

I really thought Kimi would go to RBR especially with Lotus's financial troubles and him not getting paid ... Plus I don't see how Lotus will be competitive next year especially with the rule change and James Allison at Ferarri it is a strange decision for him not to go unless he wanted to and they picked Daniel anyway

I really couldn't see him at Ferarri especially because they like to have a number two driver and Kimi is defiantly not that plus they would have to accept they were wrong to buy Kimi out of his contract and to bring Alonso in the last time and Ferarri are many things but they very rarely accept they are wrong and would Alonso want him as a team mate especially given his experience as part of a battling twosome whilst be was at Mclaren there is too many negatives for Kimi to end up at Ferarri again I think

Your right though there is no where else for him to go but I don't think he will get more money mainly just because I don't think lotus have anymore to give him

HilariousLotus Sun 18-Aug-13 21:54:09

Pressed the post button too soon but apologies of my rather long ramblings as they still continue

I agree wholeheartedly with Sunshinemeg Jenson is such a nice guy you can't help but wish him the best and an all British team with him and Di Resta would be amazing especially becuse I feel like Paul deserves to move up the grid so he can win the championship but apparently Mclaren are keeping the same lineup for next year so no spare seat unless Massa loses his at Ferarris but that's Nico H.'S or Biancis so Paul is staying put as far as I have read

EauRouge Mon 19-Aug-13 17:04:23

Ramble away, my DH glazes over a bit if I try talking to him about it.

Interesting column from Peter Windsor in F1 Racing this month about the effect of sponsorship on the driver market. Maybe Kimi could get backing from Finlandia grin

HilariousLotus Mon 19-Aug-13 17:09:31

So Kimi is defiantly not going to Red Bull according to Steve Robertson (Kimi's Manager) the talks broke down a while ago and it's clear Kimi will not be driving for Red Bull next year (sad I would link but its in Finnish but it will apparently be up on the by website soon

HilariousLotus Mon 19-Aug-13 17:11:48

I meant Bbc stupid phone autocorrect

EauRouge Mon 19-Aug-13 21:24:45

EJ reckons Kimi wants to go back to Ferrari. Seems like a given Ricciardo is going to RB. I'm sure we'll see a few more announcements this weekend.

I wonder if Ferrari ditch Massa, will he go to another team or just retire? I don't think he's ever really recovered from his accident.

HilariousLotus Wed 21-Aug-13 19:08:38

I said last week i would eat my hat if Kimi went back to Ferrari as i was so sure he wouldn't but i don't know now there seems to be a lot of rumors and speculation that Kimi wants out of Lotus and there is no where else for him to go now, unless Sergio leaves Mclaren but they have such a horrific car it doesn't seem possible and Sergio is bringing in that sponsorship money i doubt they are letting him go ... so i may end up eating my hat

Unless the rumors that Pastor is going to Ferrari are true because they do like to have a South American on the team and he comes with all that sponsorship money as well .... Oh i do love the rumors of silly season and only a couple days till Spa

HilariousLotus Wed 21-Aug-13 21:20:56

No Spa announcement for the vacant seat at red bull Ooh for me this just adds to the conspiracy theory that Alonso is going to Red Bull and Vettel/Kimi is going to Ferrari ... Although i know this is going to be highly untrue its fun to speculate

EauRouge Wed 21-Aug-13 21:39:33

Noooo, not Crashtor Maldonado! I don't want him at Ferrari until he learns to drive. Wasn't there speculation about his sponsorship money drying up?

I don't think Vettel will go to Ferrari unless he takes Adrian Newey with him, and that won't happen with the recent reshuffle. Although, I did read somewhere that Ferrari have still got an announcement to make about staff. It'd be a helluva shock though grin

I love silly season too; the closer Spa gets, the more bizarre the rumours. You can tell everyone's missing the excitement of racing.

HilariousLotus Wed 21-Aug-13 23:47:20

There was rumours about his money but then it was there was a statement about it all being set still if I remember right but Ferrari have put up with Massa and he has done nothing but crash this year so maybe they don't care ??

They have James Alison now so I don't know him and newsy would make a pretty fantastic car I mean I would t bet against them together and there was rumours Adrian want happy and Vettel did have that weird per contract thing with Ferrari which I never quite understood and he does need to move teams to prove to everyone he can race with other teams so who knows

Martin Brundle thinks that this whole Kimi denial of Red Bull could be just to get more money out of them and they have pushed back the announcement so who knows

This whole weekend is going to be about that spare seat and where Kimi is going I think its going to be hilarious watching reporters trying to talk to Kimi I'm looking forward to it

EauRouge Thu 22-Aug-13 07:20:12

At least he only crashes into the tyre wall and not other people though! Mind you, I think Maldonado might be pretty good if he learns to calm down a bit.

I thought that Vettel/Ferrari contract had been denied by both sides? Which obviously means nothing in F1 anyway, it could still exist.

Is there some kind of Kimi being interviewed bingo card? I can't wait grin

HilariousLotus Thu 22-Aug-13 09:56:30

You have a good point i mean Maldonado crashed into barriers gets the race red flagged at least Massa is only taking himself out the race

It was a weird pre-contract contract but i think he may of just pushed it for a year because he did only sign a one year extension with Red Bull which is a bit weird so whoever gets the Ferrari seat may just be keeping it warm until he gets there

Kimi ... i mean what can you say about him except he makes me laugh and im sure the interviewers draw straws to see who has to do it because they and he never seem happy to be there ... im sure its like the engineers who have to speak to him over radio with my recent favourite being the dave radio message

EauRouge Thu 22-Aug-13 10:07:29

My favourite ever was when Martin Brundle interviewed him on the grid at Interlagos when MS retired the first time. Classic grin

HilariousLotus Thu 22-Aug-13 11:50:00

The only interview i have ever seen him enjoy himself is the one with Natalie Pinkham doing ice racing usually you can tell he would rather be sticking pins in his eyes and i love he doesn't even try to hide how much he hates being interviewed

HilariousLotus Thu 22-Aug-13 17:39:57

I think the drivers are suffering from silly season too baby practising from the drivers press conference

Plus what is with Vettels hair it does not look good !!

EauRouge Thu 22-Aug-13 18:13:25

grin Not to mention the journalists, you could tell the drivers were thinking 'what a crap question'.

I haven't seen Vettel's hair yet, he's always wearing a cap or a helmet.

HilariousLotus Thu 22-Aug-13 18:54:05

here he is its um defiantly not an improvement

The big story well not a story but gossip is that Kimi has cancelled his Thursday engagements due to "illness" and Christian Horner was cancelling his too but then he was just very delayed however I think it's just smoke and mirrors and they are going to sign Riccardo but people talking about them is better than no one talking about them and we'll Perelli just want someone to talk about something other than the tyres

The lotus Pr team makes me laugh

EauRouge Thu 22-Aug-13 19:36:03

Ha, Lotus are ace grin

EauRouge Fri 23-Aug-13 08:17:22

Rumour round-up: Some are saying Kimi will just quit at the end of the season. His pay package was bonus-based and he won more than Lotus expected which is why there were money problems.

Ferrari will decide their line-up after Monza so Massa has 2 more races to impress them.

HilariousLotus Fri 23-Aug-13 08:24:16

Mclaren have yet to exercise there option to keep Jenson next year so while everyone has been talking about Kimi it seems like Jenson could be on the move too

EauRouge Fri 23-Aug-13 08:25:38

Really? I thought he was pretty happy at McLaren.

Have you seen this from the beeb? Bless him.

HilariousLotus Fri 23-Aug-13 09:29:12

Poor naive Daniel he has as much chance of being of equal status at Red Bull as I do and I can't drive poor bloke

Jenson is happy at Mclaren and I thought he was one who wouldn't move especially with them teaming with Honda in 2015 but he reported as saying he hasn't been picked up yet for next year and he is waiting on Martin Whitmarsh imagine if he makes the moves to Ferrari or Red Bull

EauRouge Fri 23-Aug-13 09:40:26

McLaren are idiots for not snapping him up already.

SuperiorCat Fri 23-Aug-13 09:53:58

Can't believe I've missed this thread.
Going back to reread now I've found yousmile

HilariousLotus Fri 23-Aug-13 10:01:01

I don't know if they have maybe they have been too worried about the fact the Mclaren has been so rubbish this year that they haven't thought about next year but i can't imagine Jenson leaving

Hi SuperiorCat smile

EauRouge Fri 23-Aug-13 10:05:25

It must be that, they wouldn't be deluded enough to think they could get someone better, surely? I think he will stay, they're having a shit time at the moment but they've got the money and the resources to win the championship- all they have to do is put the right team together.

Hello Superior <waves>

First practice is on right now.

HilariousLotus Fri 23-Aug-13 10:13:55

I am enjoying watching free practice but do not watch it on the bbc because i really dislike Suzi Perry (btw your link opens to Daniel Ricardo)so i'm watching mine online on the Sky F1 feed but i watch the actual race on the BBC because i prefer the commentary of DC and so hopefully the BBC keep showing the F1 races

There isn't really anyone else who would go to Mclaren though if Jenson left is there? i mean Sergio is not a big enough name to carry the team unless Jenson ends up at Ferrari and Kimi goes to Mclaren that could work

EauRouge Fri 23-Aug-13 10:21:57

I prefer the BBC coverage, I tried watching the Sky one but found it was just pundit overkill. DC is a great commentator now, he's really grown into it. I'm glad he decided to go down the TV route instead of NASCAR as he was rumoured to do.

I don't see who else would go to McLaren either, can't see Kimi going back there. It's got to be Jenson, unless they take a massive gamble and have two relatively inexperienced drivers- Di Resta maybe? That would be silly though. I need to watch some racing to distract me from this ridiculous speculation grin

HilariousLotus Fri 23-Aug-13 10:33:22

Dc is my favourite commentator i would really love to see him team up with Anthony Davidson who is a really good commentator during the free practice sessions on Sky

They can't take a gamble with two small named drivers because they need a big name because they are losing Vodafone as their sponsor at the end of this year so its going to need someone with a big name to help with that as well especially with this rubbish season

The teams know the summer is way to long and i am sure delay naming drivers for next year to drive all the supporters insane

Frettchen Fri 23-Aug-13 11:36:30

Oh lawks, Jenson at Ferrari would be great for JB, but really bad for McLaren. They desperately need to get past these performance problems they've been having. I do wonder whether McLaren are being late in signing JB up, or whether Red Bull just started their driver talks early because Mark went public with his plans to leave...

Looks like JB's intending to stay at McLaren though.

HilariousLotus Fri 23-Aug-13 13:29:04

I think if he did move away from Mclaren it would be a bigger change than if Kimi went to Red Bull well at least for me

I was thinking about that Frettcehn the news broke about Hamilton in September and Massa had his seat confirmed in October so maybe we are just thinking about it all too early

EauRouge Fri 23-Aug-13 16:00:26

Apparently there are other drivers in the running for the spare RB seat. I think they're just teasing us now.

Can't wait for quali tomorrow, DH is taking the DDs out so I can watch in peace. Does anyone else follow twitter during the race? I love Pitflaps' commentary.

HilariousLotus Fri 23-Aug-13 19:31:53

Martin Whitmarsh says I don't think we're letting him go ... Shouldn't he know he doesn't want to let him go maybe its me goog conspiracy crazy during silly season but it doesn't sound like the strongest we're keeping hold of him no matter what is it ??

Also is I had me and my friend have made a bet on when and where Massa and Grosjean will crash during the race ...??

EauRouge Fri 23-Aug-13 20:30:48

Grosjean at La Source on the opening lap. Or maybe the formation lap grin

HilariousLotus Fri 23-Aug-13 21:23:03

That should say "Also is it bad me and my friend have made a bet" .. stupid phone auto correct

I have gone with Grosjean going off between Campus/Stavelot but i'm not sure when i think middle of the race because he is going to be so cautious at the start and get more feisty as the race goes on

Massa had trouble with keeping it straight in free practice and was wiggling all over the track so if he really does have two races to save his seat it doesn't look good and i think he is going to go off at Eau Rouge because he just can't get that car stuck to the ground

SuperiorCat Fri 23-Aug-13 22:08:07

What a fab thread. Even though I live in F1 county most of my friends eyes glaze over when I talk about F1.

I think it is inevitable that Grosjean is a DNF for most races, I wonder if he was in a different team if he would be less aggressive with the car

EauRouge Sat 24-Aug-13 11:58:37

Almost time!

No driver news, but some good news about a new contract. Also rumours about Pirelli being ditched in favour of Michelin next year.

SuperiorCat Sat 24-Aug-13 12:27:56

Sorry to lower the tone by being so shallow, but phwoar at Mark Webber's chiseled cheekbones grin I will miss him next year

SuperiorCat Sat 24-Aug-13 12:49:16

Oh dear, I've killed the thread with my shallowness.

How cringey was the interview between EJ and Christian Horner?! Loved EJs directness and Christian's deflection...I wonder if the decision has been made and this is just good PR / advertising for RBR

EauRouge Sat 24-Aug-13 13:15:21

CH didn't look pleased, it was either EJ's invasion of his personal space or his outfit grin I think the decision must have been made, whether or not it's been made officially I don't know, but RB must know who is going to get that seat.

I'll miss Wibbah too, not many of the drivers say what they think.

EauRouge Sat 24-Aug-13 13:23:39

Well, I hope Ricciardo has signed on the dotted line because that wasn't a great quali for him. That'll mess up my race predictions game hmm

HilariousLotus Sat 24-Aug-13 13:29:38

I am so happy that Van Der Garde got into q2 and in P3 but it definatly was not good for Ricciardo or JEV

I missed the interview how bad was it? bad enough that i should be watching it on bbc?

EauRouge Sat 24-Aug-13 13:44:03

It was classic EJ really, getting right in people's faces and asking direct questions. He seems pretty sure that Ricciardo has the job.

HilariousLotus Sat 24-Aug-13 13:49:12

I turned on the bbc coverage and EJs shirt is not that bad its the same colour of my nail varnish unless he was wearing a different one earlier?

Im going for Kimi or Vettel on pole

EauRouge Sat 24-Aug-13 13:53:24

OMG how exciting is this Q3. My fingernails are buggered.

HilariousLotus Sat 24-Aug-13 13:55:00

Di Resta may be a surprise pole sitter

HilariousLotus Sat 24-Aug-13 14:05:06

sad Lewis is on pole

EauRouge Sat 24-Aug-13 14:14:28

Gutted for Di Resta. I'm glad it wasn't Vettel though, I hate Lewis slightly less.

HilariousLotus Sat 24-Aug-13 14:18:39

If i have to pick between Lewis and Vettel i will pick Vettel just because i just always feel serious dislike of Lewis... I really wanted Paul to be up there though but he is P5 so its not that bad

Its not looking good for Kimi though being behind Grosjean ...

EauRouge Sat 24-Aug-13 14:21:14

He just needs to keep his distance on the first few corners, then he can pass when Grosjean crashes into whoever's in front of him.

HilariousLotus Sat 24-Aug-13 14:26:51

That means him crashing into Jenson or Paul which is rather he avoided so now im hoping he crashes later on instead of first lap

HilariousLotus Sun 25-Aug-13 12:45:49

Im watching both streams and only the Sky Stream have mentioned the Greenpeace protesters i wonder what there planning to do

Frettchen Sun 25-Aug-13 12:56:12

Having missed quali yesterday, I've just settled in with the Beeb to watch, quite happy to see Lewis at the front. smile

HilariousLotus Sun 25-Aug-13 13:02:10

Mark Webber confirming to an Australian news station that Ricciardo has signed for Red Bull ... Gotta love him because really what can they do to him for telling anyone smile

EauRouge Sun 25-Aug-13 13:57:56

Ha, just logged on to say exactly that grin Think it was obvious from the start who they were going to pick.

HilariousLotus Sun 25-Aug-13 14:31:44

I can't believe Grosjean lasted to the end of the race and Kimi retired with brake failure i did not see that happening at all and totally messed up the bet i had going on at least i won part of it with Vettel winning

Gotta feel bad for Paul he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and his car looked like it had been hit with a wrecking ball

SmallFarAway Sun 25-Aug-13 14:52:33

So good to have F1 back <happy sigh>

Good race...although gutted for DiResta that he wasn't able to convert that great quali performance to points.

I knew Ricciardo would get the RBR seat and good luck to him but its such an anticlimax after all the speculation. I was dying to see the fireworks between Seb and Kimi. I guess there's still the small chance of him going back to Ferarri which would be equally entertaining to see the dynamic between him and the man who he was ousted for if it happens.

Spa is next on my list of GPs that I want to attend. Always a good race smile

SuperiorCat Sun 25-Aug-13 22:15:24

Avoided this thread as couldn't watch the race live and didn't want any spoilers until I managed to watch the highlights. Really enjoyed it even though Seb stretched out his lead even further felt so sorry for DiResta, he is a solid driver and doesn't usually make mistakes, but unfortunately for him often ends up the innocent victim of other drivers battling it out on track like today.

EauRouge Mon 26-Aug-13 08:59:14

That was so unlucky for DiResta.

Now all we need is for Massa to stay at Ferrari and Kimi to stay at Lotus for the full silly season anticlimax grin

HilariousLotus Mon 26-Aug-13 20:40:54

Can i ask you all why there is so much hate on Vettel? I never really understood it and i want to see it from someone elses point of view so i can see why the poor bloke keeps on getting booed

I can't beleive they went for Riccardo after all of that to be honest i mean it was well known that Christian and Adrian both wanted Kimi but Detrich and Helmut overruled them and went for Riccardo i assume so they could justify the Torro Rosso team and their young driver program because if they are not promoting from within whats the point of the hundreds of millions the are spending

I swear if Kimi stays with Lotus this whole silly season was literally just designed to torment us all but with that drive it doesn't look like Massa will stay so at least we will have one move at least ... well i'm hoping at least one move or my brain may explode

EauRouge Mon 26-Aug-13 21:40:12

I dunno what it is. I've tried so hard to like him, but I've failed. There's obv stuff like Multi-21-gate and the fact that he's been so obviously favoured by the team while they were all swearing blind that Webber wasn't a number 2. That and it gets proper boring with the same person winning all the time. I'm sure he's a nice person really grin

I think you're right about Massa. I'm hoping for Hulkenburg as a replacement.

HilariousLotus Mon 26-Aug-13 22:10:41

I understand the Multi 21 thing because then even i though god he needs a slap but what annoyed me about that Malaysian GP more was that people seem to have forgotten Hamilton did the same thing to Rosberg as well in a team that claims to also have no number one driver either

i guess how i see is it kind of from a if i were a team owner sort of way because when Mark was ahead and nearly won his championship the team was very much on his side and it was all about him really because winning the constructors/drivers championship brings in money so they backed him but when it was Vettel who was bringing in the money to the team they backed him i mean if you were the team principal who would you back the guy bringing in the money or the other guy?

Oh i don't think hes a nice person i bet hes really not but i don't think he deserves the hate for having the best car/driver package on the grid

Massas replacement i think is a toss up between Bianchi or Hulkenberg

SmallFarAway Tue 27-Aug-13 06:45:24

I agree with Hilarious about the Multi21 thing. The team is all about the win so they support and throw the resources at the driver with the most chance of achieving it. I also understand why he did it...he is a super ambitious driver, paid to race and he wants to win. He knows he can win. He saw his opportunity at Malaysia and he took it. Probably while thinking 'fuck it, i'll deal with the fall out later'. Not saying its right to go against the team orders like that but I can understand his mindset I think.

But yes, his dominance is boring. Just as Schumacher's dominance was boring all those years that he was at the top. When i've seen Vettel interviewed away from F1, I've actually warmed to him as a person but on a race weekend and on the track he's arrogant. however, he's not the only arrogant driver on the grid by a long shot and I also don't think he deserves hatred and vitriol for it.

EauRouge Tue 27-Aug-13 08:23:15

Oh, I understand why he did it too. I'd love to see team orders scrapped but realistically there's no point because they'd just do it in code (secret or not so secret grin ). Just giving examples of why people say they hate him.

I'm not a fan of Hamilton either and can't quite put my finger on that. I don't recall when he did the same thing to Rosberg though, when was that?

SmallFarAway Tue 27-Aug-13 09:33:59

I'm not a Hamilton fan either. Although I'm finding him more tolerable this season than when he was with McLare for some reason.

I think the Mercedes team orders thing was at Malaysia too I think. Nico was pushing to pass and was told to hold position, IIRC.

SmallFarAway Tue 27-Aug-13 09:35:51

And I think the booing may have been for Vettel's 80s Europop hair tragedy grin

HilariousLotus Tue 27-Aug-13 11:13:16

I'm glad someone kind of agrees that Vettel's been getting the short end of the stick really especially with the booing which is just slightly unfair because for me he is a great driver especially if you look at Abu Dhabi where he came from the back twice to get on the podium and then in Brazil which was my favourite race of the year it was so action packed and for me this proves its not just the car that is winning the races for him so i just feel bad for him

Small is right Rosberg was faster than Hamilton during the last stages of Malaysia and was told to stay behind him by Ross Brawn and Hamilton even said Rosberg should of been on the podium and collected third place but that was lost in the whole Multi 21 saga that no one seems to remember it really which annoys me because both teams did the same thing and Red Bull just seem to be attacked about it more

Vettel's hair he must of lost a bet with Kimi because if you remember Kimi had that horrible mullet mohican at Silverstone and now Vettel looks like he has been bleached unless he has decided he wants to look like Heikki now but no way is it just sun bleached smile

EauRouge Tue 27-Aug-13 11:32:38

The booing isn't very sporting at all. Vettel is talented and wins on merit, it's not like he cheats all the time. His hair is shit though.

Yes, I remember the Rosberg/Hamilton team orders, slightly different than the multi-21 scenario though in that the drivers obeyed the team orders. I don't see a way around it, but I hate it when team orders affect the outcome of the race. Austria in 2000 (?) was the worst ever. Or I might have the wrong race and wrong year, but it was the one where Schumacher passed Barrichello right before the finish line.

SmallFarAway Tue 27-Aug-13 11:38:41

Vettel is a great driver. It's dull as fuck when he qualifies on pole and leads from the front for an entire race but when he has to fight for position, he is undeniably brilliant.

The hair though...anyone remember Sun-In?

Incidentally, it's Mark Webber's birthday today smile

SmallFarAway Tue 27-Aug-13 11:46:26

Yes, I remember being outraged at ferrari's them orders quite a few times. Particularly when Irvine was driving for them as I was a die hard Irvine fan. But then they've never made a secret of the fact that they have first and second drivers and I guess the second driver signs their contract with that knowledge. It makes for shit viewing as a fan though.

HilariousLotus Tue 27-Aug-13 12:09:38

I just can't understand the booing personally because as you say its unsporting but even i would be booing that hair its just wrong ... oh the fond memories i have of sun in but surely you stop using that as an adult right?

Ferrari and the infamous non team orders were ridiculous but proved it was happening even when it was illegal so i think its here to stay because teams will always do it

Happy Birthday Mark

Also Mclaren to resign Jenson for £12 million a year but that does make me think as much as i am a Kimi fan and i think he is the most naturally talented driver why is he asking for a reported £30 million from Red bull and maybe thats why they went for Riccardo

HilariousLotus Tue 27-Aug-13 12:14:21

Plus according to this Vettel gets paid 8 million euro less than Hamilton and Alonso dispite being the tripple world champion

SmallFarAway Tue 27-Aug-13 13:11:21

If that's true about Vettel getting paid less, I can kind of see how RBR get away with it. Vettel is already at the top team with the best car and the best chance of wining the championship again (and again and again). Another team might mean a bigger pay packet but less chance of the win.

SmallFarAway Tue 27-Aug-13 13:21:19

Not sure that I explained that very well. What I mean is Vettel can say 'give me another €10 million or I'll walk' and RBR can say 'off you fuck then cunty chops. You might get more dosh from Ferrari but their car is shit'. They kind of have him over a barell in that regard.

HilariousLotus Tue 27-Aug-13 13:21:29

Maybe thats why he only signed for another year he is probably thinking wait a minute i keep winning here yet those two are getting 8 million more a year from teams that aren't winning as much as i am

If he gets 4 in a row this year and doesn't earn the most money something is definitely wrong in that paddock hell even Jenson is getting paid more from Mclaren than Vettel is getting from Red Bull and as much as i like Jenson he should not be getting more money than the triple world champion

HilariousLotus Tue 27-Aug-13 13:27:22

I laughed at cunty chops just because im imagining that conversation actually happening smile that made me smile

You do have a point about Ferrari though because even though they now have James Alison so i don't think there car for next year is going to be that bad the only problem they have is that the Ferrari engine for next year is not meant to be as good as the Mercedes or Renault engines

Maybe Vettel did get a payrise and thats why they can't have Kimi and have gone for the cheaper option of Riccardo

EauRouge Tue 27-Aug-13 13:36:02

If I was an F1 driver, I'd drive for minimum wage if Adrian Newey had designed the car.

There's been a lot of talk about how the rule changes next year are going to affect the teams and their new cars.

SmallFarAway Tue 27-Aug-13 13:42:49

Ferrari seem to have nailed the reliability issues that plagued them a while ago but they can't get anywhere near the speed they need to properly compete with RBR and even Mercedes. Must be the engine thing, as you say.

If Ferrari had any driver other than Alonso in that car, they wouldn't be anywhere near the podium. Alonso consistently out performs the capabilities of the car. Which is probably why they're happy to shell out the big bucks to keep him.

HilariousLotus Tue 27-Aug-13 14:22:06

The talk is Mercedes are going to walk it with ease next year they are going to have the best engine and after there not so secret tyre test they are having no problems with the tyres and even Newey may struggle with designing a car to cope with all the changes for next year but 2014 is going to be a very interesting year and i just don't see Red Bull walking away with it again

Ferraris issues are apparently due to the wind tunnel which seems to always be there excuse but maybe they should get Jenson instead of Alonso and take that extra 8 million euro and use it to develop the wind tunnel and better parts for the car

I do agree Alonso is pulling stuff from that Ferrari car that is not there but i don't think he is the only one who could do that i mean Lewis, Jenson, Rosberg even i think could pull it from that car as well not discounting what Vettel could bring out of it as well so i wouldn't say he was worth the extra 8 million a year

SmallFarAway Tue 27-Aug-13 14:44:48

See, I'm not sure that they could pull the same results from the Ferrari that Alonso is doing. Button seems utterly defeated by the McLaren this year. Yes, he has a pig of a car but he seems to have written off this season totally and not shown any of the grit that he has done in the past.

Rosberg? Not convinced at all. Likewise Hamilton. Although I think he could perform in a substandard car over a few races but not as relentlessly as Alonso has had to. Hamilton struggles to turn pole positions into wins, he'd find it way more difficult if he was consistently starting on the 5th row.

Vettel? Almost certainly. But only because he's the only driver out there at the minute who is as good as/better than Alonso.

I'm not a particular fan of Alonso, by the way.

SmallFarAway Tue 27-Aug-13 14:49:55

And I agree that Ferrari would be better to pay significantly less and invest in the car if they are ever to win the constructors championship again.

HilariousLotus Tue 27-Aug-13 15:06:48

You're right he really has been defeated by this years car and i think Mclaren coming out and saying that they have stopped developing this years car is going to hurt him even more although i do understand why they have done it because there is no point trying to put right a car that they can't take forward into the next year and is just horrific it just is bad news for Button so i don't expect him to be doing much this year i bet he will just be happy to get out of quali 3 every race

I was thinking about Rosberg in that list and i think he can take the car to the limits but thats about it he does drive the car which makes me think that actually he would be a good driver for Red Bull in so much as he could drive the car to its limits but not over drive it

Kimi for sure could get every bit and more out of the Ferrari i think possibly more than Alonso can but with the insane amount he wants from them would not help the budget it would make a even bigger dent and then they would probably take the money from somewhere else

It could work in Ferraris favour if they give him a performance related contact which means its in his best interests to get everything plus out the car and Kimi is good at that plus he is very consistent ... That may end up costing them more though i guess

HilariousLotus Tue 27-Aug-13 15:08:22

I don't see Ferrari winning the constructors any time soon as this year i think Red Bull will win and next year i think its all going to be Mercedes

EauRouge Tue 27-Aug-13 15:39:15

Do you think Ross Brawn is going to do another, um, Brawn?

HilariousLotus Tue 27-Aug-13 16:16:00

In what way?

EauRouge Tue 27-Aug-13 17:33:08

Taking advantage of the rule changes, being clever, and having a way better car than everyone else, thus winning most of the races.

HilariousLotus Tue 27-Aug-13 18:36:51

I actually thought the opposite as in Red Bull will find something on the grey of the rules that will be integral to the car something like the blown diffuser that they previously had but bigger and Ferrari and or Mercedes will complain to the FIA, it will then become illegal and Red Bull won't be able to recover from it due to it being something that they need to redesign a new car for

Or is that a bit too conspiracy theory ?

SmallFarAway Tue 27-Aug-13 20:36:01

I tend to agree that if there's a loophole to be exploited (Pirelligate notwithstanding), RBR are more likely to be the ones exploiting it.

I think Ross Brawn's strength is as an amazing strategist (something Ferrari has really been lacking for a few seasons now). Wasn't he pretty much responsible for Schumacher's 7 world titles?

HilariousLotus Tue 27-Aug-13 21:36:32

I tend to agree Brawn was always good with strategy and working out the different twists and turns in the race but is he still going to be with Mercedes next year since he is being forcefully phased out with the introduction of Paddy Lowe?? Maybe he will be the only transfer of silly season and end up in a new team

HilariousLotus Wed 28-Aug-13 15:56:02

Ferrari want to keep Massa ... Are you kidding me no one is moving round in silly season are the teams just trying to drive us all crazy!!

SmallFarAway Wed 28-Aug-13 19:18:31

What's that I can hear...? Ah, it's the sound of Ferrari's chances of doing anything next season. Not only is Massa not g

SmallFarAway Wed 28-Aug-13 19:22:45

...as I was saying...

Its the sound of ferrari's chances of doing anything next season brewing flushed down the toilet.

Not only is Massa not capable of delivering a decent performance himself, he's even shit at the second driver role to back up Alonso and maximise his chances where possible.

Epic fail, Ferrari. Epic fail.

SmallFarAway Wed 28-Aug-13 19:24:22

Typos all my own work...it just looks like I'm allowing the dog to type my posts for me hmm blush

EauRouge Wed 28-Aug-13 21:07:03

Massa is laughing in that photo because he has some really good dirt on either Dominicalli or Montezemolo.

And that's the cherry on the cake of my shit day!

HilariousLotus Wed 28-Aug-13 21:10:19

Massa has got to have some serious dirt on Montezemolo ... well he has been there long enough maybe he knows some scandalous information that would bring down Ferrari or at least make them give back the championships they have won because frankly there is no other way

Maybe Ferrari were to blame from his accident and he is using that to keep his drive because frankly its not on talent not any longer

HilariousLotus Wed 28-Aug-13 21:12:25

We had the same thoughts EauRouge smile and don't worry Small my typing often looks worse and if my browser didn't autocorrect a lot of things my postings would be horrific smile

I agree Ferrari have washed any hopes of anything next year down the drain its just ridiculous and i bet Alonso is thinking i really should of gone to Red Bull

HilariousLotus Mon 02-Sep-13 11:53:35

My bums not too big to fit in a Red Bull Car ... Which by far is the funniest article i have read during silly season smile

EauRouge Mon 02-Sep-13 12:04:10

Alonso said on Twitter yesterday that he's got a big announcement coming up. Who wants to guess what it'll be? New team-mate? New girlfriend pregnant? New Garmin for his bike rides?

Poor Dan and his big arse hips grin

HilariousLotus Mon 02-Sep-13 12:22:18

It would make me laugh so much if he didn't get the red bull seat because he couldn't fit in the cockpit imagine the headlines that would come out of that smile

I think Alonso is going to say he is growing back his moustache or that is he going to space ... personally i think he is a bit bored and wants to mess with the media smile

MrsJaqenHgar Mon 02-Sep-13 12:34:26

Loving the Riciardo article. I can sympathise as I'd struggle to get one arse cheek into an f1 car blush

HilariousLotus Mon 02-Sep-13 12:42:00

Alonso has brought the Euskatel cycling team world tour licence and is set to build a new squad ....I have no idea what any of that means but yet thats the announcement !!

I'm with you too MRs JaqenHgar there is no part of me that would fit into an Adrian Newey designed car because he designs them with mannequins in mind i'm sure

EauRouge Mon 02-Sep-13 14:57:52

That's not exciting news <sulks>

Ah well, it's Monza this weekend, I'm sure there will be more announcements this week.

MrsJaqenHgar Mon 02-Sep-13 15:03:24

Yes, I'm sure I'm not alone in not giving a flying fuck about Alonso's cycling team <yawn>

(Should have said that I m the poster from upthread also known as SmallFarAway...I'm under my Game of Thrones namechange at the mo and its too hard to change back on my phone).

EauRouge Mon 02-Sep-13 15:10:42

I could fit in a Newey car. Getting out would be an issue grin

EauRouge Mon 02-Sep-13 21:32:22
HilariousLotus Mon 02-Sep-13 22:24:03

I cant beleive Red Bull went for the easy option because i think JEV would've been a better choice he has better race pace

I kind of want him to do well but i don't think he will be consistent enough to help Red Bull with the constructors and to be the number two that Vettel so i only give him a year .... Plus every time he smiles i think i'm watching a toothpaste commercial

MrsJaqenHgar Mon 02-Sep-13 22:24:42

I wonder did he have to wear Spanx to pass the seat test? grin

Will be interesting to see how he performs in the big league.

sarcasticrobot Tue 03-Sep-13 22:15:55

Oooh just found this thread just in time for monza its going to be amazing

HilariousLotus Wed 04-Sep-13 07:49:16

I just have visions of Daniel in spanx having to breath in the whole time he was in the car ... Is it bad to say it makes me smile a lot !!

So with Daniel at RBR and Ferrari for some very insane and bizzare reason wanting to keep Massa it looks like Kimi is staying at Lotus

HilariousLotus Sat 07-Sep-13 14:36:05

Its not a good sign when Alonso says over the radio that his team is stupid and cost him his qualifying ... Maybe he is trying to get fired?

EauRouge Sat 07-Sep-13 14:38:12

Bit of an odd quali! My race prediction is going to be all kinds of wrong, yet again hmm Should be a good race tomorrow.

MrsJaqenHgar Sat 07-Sep-13 15:00:59

FFS Ferrari! Every year they try that towing thing and every year Massa makes an arse of it because he won't do his job as a second driver. When will they learn? The Ferrari garage will not be a happy place this weekend.

Very odd quali indeed. Inevitable Vettel win tomorrow but all to play for on the other podium places, I think.

HilariousLotus Sat 07-Sep-13 15:11:12

Pat Fry said that Massa had the right distance to Alonso so i don't think Massa is to blame for this one although i agree with you the Ferrari garage is not a place i would want to be and not because of Massa its because of Alonso i mean who is there right mind calls the whole team stupid when Luca Di Montezemolo is in the building and its the home race of your team ... I'm not getting an acceptance to mensa anytime soon but even i know thats a bad thing

My race prediction for winner is going to be on the money because i picked Vettel after watching fp1 but the rest of mine is going to be off because Kimi didn't even make it into quali 3 and that Lotus has looked horrific this weekend but i'm glad that Nico H got into third place he looked genuinely surprised though hopefully this helps him move up the grid especially with Sergei Sirotkin getting a Sauber drive next year if he gets his super licence

EauRouge Sat 07-Sep-13 15:44:23

I picked Vettel to win but I think I had Hamilton 2nd or 3rd. Still, you never know! We should start our own MN prediction league next season.

Apparently the Italian words for 'idiot' and 'genius' sound very similar.... grin

MrsJaqenHgar Sat 07-Sep-13 16:27:22

Maybe he did say 'genius'. As in 'what genius came up with this strategy?' grin

Do you think Alonso wants the team to do what they did with Kimi in 2010, i.e. pay him not to drive for them next year? He's already had run-ins with management this year for bad mouthing the the team so his comments today (in Italian, at the Italan race where the Ferrari brand is sacred) will go down like a fart in a spacesuit.

HilariousLotus Sat 07-Sep-13 16:43:09

The whole thing is either "Felipe is too far -pause- you are stupid you ruined my qualifying Mamma mia guys" or "Felipe is too far -pause- you are a genius you ruined my qualifying Mamma Mia guys " which one is more likely?

I think he is trying to get fired i mean it did work for Alain Prost and lets be honest Alonso has said some pretty bad things this summer about his car so i think he is either trying to get a pay off or is going to take a sabbatical for a year to run his cycling team

Also just want to highlight that if Vettel had said this he would be vilified and yet thats not the tone of the tweets/article being posted when it has Alonso at the center .... i'm not even a big Vettel fan half the time i think hes a idiot it just annoys me the double standards

HilariousLotus Sat 07-Sep-13 18:00:37

"Caught up in an amusing press scrum with Luca di Montezemolo just now. He shouted at Alonso to ask if he was driving for Marussia next year”

Okay so the lead up to the race tomorrow is going to be amazing

MrsJaqenHgar Sat 07-Sep-13 18:11:21

grin at driving fro Marussia next year.

God, I wish I spoke Italian...team radio tomorrow could be priceless!

HilariousLotus Sat 07-Sep-13 19:03:42

Ferrari will name there drivers for 2014 after Monza and now who knows if Alonso will even be on that list

I haven't looked forward to a pre show or a race this much in ages its going to be amazing especially because Di Montezemolo also said Alonso needed a bit of father/son discipline which made me envision Alonso being taken over the knee of Luca

sarcasticrobot Sat 07-Sep-13 19:52:42

its a bit naughty that they did not air the part where fernando said thank you to the team and felipe

EauRouge Sun 08-Sep-13 15:39:20

More booing! Poor Seb, that's not on at all.

HilariousLotus Sun 08-Sep-13 15:56:26

The booing is annoying me a lot more now because i keep feeling bad for Seb and i don't like him that much but he really doesn't deserve the amount of booing he is getting

He is the best driver in the best car and i understand that no one likes to see anyone run away with the title but Adrian Newey designs the best cars its inevitable really

The interview with him on the bbc i think it was where he was asked about the booing just makes me think he needs a cuddle

EauRouge Sun 08-Sep-13 16:15:28

Poor guy, you could see he was trying not to look upset on the podium. Fair enough, boo someone if they cheat, but don't boo them for being good. It's shit boring to watch when the same guy wins all the time but that's why they're in F1 in the first place- to win.

The thing I worry most about is Bernie coming up with some mad new rules to make the race result less predictable. Qualifying to be run on unicycles from 2014....

HilariousLotus Sun 08-Sep-13 16:51:49

This is my rant about the whole thing but Mercedes did the same team orders thing and no booing for them, Massa is constantly "encouraged" to let Alonso ahead of him every race and there is no booing for that, Alonso calls him whole team stupid in Monza and no booing for that and Grosjean hits everything that moves and no booing for him plus i'm sure there are more examples but i cant think right now

My analogy for Seb is a bit like a child who does something wrong (Malaysia) so is punished and told off (by the team/media/f1 paddock) , that child then does really well (race wins ect) but instead of being congratulated just keeps getting told off again and again even though they don't do the same thing wrong and keeps doing good things (race wins/podiums) they are continually punished and when they fail (retirement at Silverstone) they are cheered for failure

I understand not everyone likes the guy hell half the time i dont but its just no on really to boo a guy for winning and cheer when they fail

Plus who knows how long Bernie is going to be in F1 with his court case in Germany although who else can you see in that role that would do as good as job especially with a lot of the pundits saying that when Bernie goes that the whole sport will get a lot more corporate because even though Bernie is a crazy man he keeps the sport interesting

MrsJaqenHgar Sun 08-Sep-13 21:22:14

I think the booing of Vettel is appalling. I don't recall Schumacher ever being subject to this much vitriol during the dull years of his domination...which he wouldn't have manager quite so easily if it hadn't been for some really blatant Ferarri team orders. I'm not Vettel's biggest fan by any means but I can't see that he deserves so much hatred just for being a young, talented and at the top of his game. And I've never heard him be anything but complimentary to his team and always acknowledges and credits their part in his wins. Unlike a certain petulant spaniard....

Bernie is as mad as a bucket of frogs but F1 will almost certainly be worse off without him.

HilariousLotus Mon 09-Sep-13 08:06:10

In my defence i was a little hormonal crazy in regards to my post about the booing of Seb but i still dont think its right booing someone who wins even Mark defended Seb which i thought was really great of him

"Yeah, brilliant to experience that, even though the atmosphere i was not completely a fan of, to be honest Sebastian won the race and the atmosphere is not completely correct but anyway"

EauRouge Mon 09-Sep-13 10:25:46

I've seen some tweets today that are talking as if Raikkonen has already got the Ferrari drive. Personally I'd like to see Hulkenburg get it, Ferrari could do with a bit of a fresh start.

EauRouge Mon 09-Sep-13 10:27:13

Although some tweets are saying it's going to be Raikkonen/Hulkenburg- all change at Ferrari for 2014?

MrsJaqenHgar Mon 09-Sep-13 11:46:15

They need Kimi/Alonso to maximise their chances next season. And if it is the case, it'll be an interesting dynamic to watch.

MrsJaqenHgar Mon 09-Sep-13 12:24:06

Also, isn't the Santander sponsorship deal with Ferrari tied up with Alonso? That would be a big sponsor to lose.

EauRouge Mon 09-Sep-13 12:27:44

Loads now saying Raikkonen has already signed and they'll announce it on Wed. Think you're right about Santander.

HilariousLotus Mon 09-Sep-13 18:19:50

I think you're right about the Santander sponsorship but i think Kimi would attract sponsors of his own to the team if he were to partner with Hulkenberg which for me would be a great team and would work with the whole Ferrari ethos of a number one driver

I really do not think Alonso could cope with out having a number two driver he is trying his toys out the pram now just because he is not winning and when/if Kimi joins and starts winning and out qualifying him which he inevitably will the fireworks are going to make the "civil war" at Red Bull look like a minor disagreement

EauRouge Mon 09-Sep-13 18:28:13

Part of me would like to see some fireworks grin

I wonder if Alonso has a year's sabbatical planned so he can go off and play with his cycling team. He just doesn't seem to be that into F1 at the moment, a bit like Kimi was in 2009.

HilariousLotus Mon 09-Sep-13 18:46:36

I'm thinking sabbatical because all the things he has done this season which unless your is stupid you don't do e.g you dont say you want a someone elses car, call your team idiots and court press attention for the red bull drive unless you are either leaving for good or if your going away for a bit it just doesn't make any sense to me and for whatever Alonso may be he has always seemed smart(ish)

The fireworks though they would be amazing but they would all come from Alonso's side because you could just imagine Kimi's approach to it all which would add to the hilarity for me but i imagine would just enrage Alonso even more

HilariousLotus Tue 10-Sep-13 16:32:44

I just saw a tweet that made me smile if Kimi moves to Ferrari and Rob Smedley becomes his race engineer could you imagine the radio messages between those two

EauRouge Tue 10-Sep-13 16:59:05

Hahahaha.

"Kimi, baby..."
"Leave me alone."

grin

HilariousLotus Tue 10-Sep-13 17:59:09

I need the move to happen just for that possibility too

If Rob calls Felippe Phillph I wonder what he would call Kimi

HilariousLotus Tue 10-Sep-13 19:59:12

Felippe Massa confirms he will be leaving Ferrari at the end of the season ... So someone is going to Ferrari is it going to be Kimi or Hulkenberg?

EauRouge Tue 10-Sep-13 20:15:38

Just seen on Twitter. Not a surprise, really. I think it'll be Kimi, not sure how I feel about that decision though- in many ways I think Hulkenberg would be a better choice but all that rests on how Alonso and Kimi get on. I think Alonso will have learnt a lot since that awful season at McLaren but I think Kimi will really push him, so there will probably be a few strops thrown by Alonso.

That's if the whole Alonso sabbatical thing doesn't happen and Ferrari ends up with both Kimi and Hulkenburg.

HilariousLotus Tue 10-Sep-13 20:34:51

I feel bad for Massa because as he said in his instagram/tweet "For next year, I want to find a team that can give me a competitive car to win many more races and challenge for the Championship which remains my greatest objective" i just don't see it happening he is either going to be at the back of the grid or he is going to retire i don't see him going to the spare seat at Lotus

Shall we start the who is going to Lotus speculation now?

EauRouge Tue 10-Sep-13 21:12:10

Yes, let's speculate some more grin

I guess it would depend if they keep Grosjean or not. I know Bouiller is his manager so there's the motivation there, but I think he's had quite a few second chances. I think probably Hulkenberg will go there, and if they get rid of Grosjean then maybe Massa as well.

HilariousLotus Wed 11-Sep-13 06:27:46

The strangest thing I heard was on twitter that Alonso is going to Mclaren and partnering with Button and taking his Santandar sponsorship with him l, Sergio will take his sponsorship to a lower team and Massa will partner Hulkenburgs at Lotus with Sauber going with Serotkin and Estaban for the two lots of money they bring in

If all that happens this silly season will be worth the chaos and predictableness the Red Bull seat caused early on

EauRouge Wed 11-Sep-13 08:04:04

Back to McLaren? Brilliant grin

EauRouge Wed 11-Sep-13 14:39:51

Ferrari have confirmed both Raikkonen and Alonso for 2014, so no sabbatical. This line up could be pretty epic!

So, who will sign for Lotus?

MrsJaqenHgar Wed 11-Sep-13 15:06:31

Hulkenberg for Lotus?

HilariousLotus Wed 11-Sep-13 17:36:55

I agree i think definitely Hulkenberg for Lotus because he doesn't have a seat at Sauber for next year but who is going to partner him because neither he nor Roman are proven race winners so is that going to be a factor?Maybe Massa and Hulkenberg for Lotus?

Also why are Mclaren so late in confirming their driver line up for 2014 as neither Jenson or Sergio have contracts for next year

HilariousLotus Wed 11-Sep-13 17:41:20

Also would just like to say i love how lotus responded on twitter with the news that Kimi left for Ferrari "It hurts a little bit"

MrsJaqenHgar Wed 11-Sep-13 17:46:44

I love whoever is responsible for Lotus social media. Genius (in the true sense if the word as opposed to Alonso's interpretation) grin

EauRouge Wed 11-Sep-13 17:52:07

That Lotus tweet is ace.

I don't know why McLaren are hanging around. Surely they'll keep Jenson? Not sure about Perez, I don't think this season turned out as they hoped but he's got potential so maybe they're thinking a couple of seasons down the line.

I expect Lotus will go for Hulkenberg but now Massa's been thrown in the mix....

HilariousLotus Wed 11-Sep-13 18:30:06

Could a complete spanner be thrown in the mix with Hulkenberg going to Mclaren to pair up with Jenson and maybe Sergio will go to Lotus because he has sponsorship money and that could help the teams finances and to partner with Massa because he is a proven race winner and Roman costs too much money with all the crashes he has

Or are Mclaren just being very late with the contracts because as Jenson has said he has a option for next year it just hasn't been picked up and hasn't been signed by Martin but there has been no talk about Sergio being picked up again next year

The Lotus twitter team are amazing they have such funny things on that stream it never fails to make me laugh they are making such good use of twitter the other teams should take note really

MrsJaqenHgar Sat 14-Sep-13 18:19:10

So, if th F1 rumour mill is correct, Rob Smedley is on his way to Williams. Which made me think Massa might be headed that way too but I've just seen that he might be going to Lotus. I'm thinking that the bodywork bills incurred by a Massa and Grosjean team could financially sink Lotus.

EauRouge Sun 15-Sep-13 09:47:24

Yes, I heard that too. I think Lotus have the choice of Hulkenberg and Massa, I wonder who they will go for? Unless they ditch Grosjean, then they could have both.

If Massa did go to Williams, who would go?

If Di Resta is on the move, as rumoured, where would he go?

It's like musical chairs, too many drivers and not enough good cars grin

HilariousLotus Tue 17-Sep-13 20:05:35

Rob can not be parted from Massa because i would miss the radio messages and why if Massa does go to Lotus would Rob go from Ferrari to Williams it seems very bizarre but in the land of F1 the bizarre rumors are usually true but i agree between Massa and Grosjean the bill would sink Lotus surely they have to be thinking of the cost of those two partnering up?

I want Lotus to have Di Resta in one seat and keep Grosjean because that partnership would work really well i think Massa to Williams to replace Botas and partner with Maldonado and Hulkenberg moving back to Force India because Sauber are going with Serotkin and Gutierrez for financial reasons

Does anyone else seem to think its a bit weird Ferrari and Lotus have a bit of a swap going on with key engineering personnel going from Lotus to Ferrari and then you have Ferrari people ending up at Lotus its just seems like a giant trade off they have going on that seems like Ferrari are getting the better end of the deal

MrsJaqenHgar Fri 20-Sep-13 11:39:59

Anyone else seen/heard the rumblings about Alonso signing to McLaren for 2014? Apparently thus us why it's taking so long for McLaren to confirm their line up for next year. No idea of the veracity of it but its my favourite rumour of Silly Season so far grin

Frettchen Fri 20-Sep-13 16:50:37

Yeah, the Beeb are talking about the possibility of a Button/Alonso line up next year (and if not next year, the year after if McLaren have their way)

HilariousLotus Fri 20-Sep-13 18:22:31

I really liked the idea of Button/Alonso pairing at Mclaren but now that Alonso has just committed publically to Ferrari and said he wants to spend his whole career there so I doubt it would happen

I would love to see a Kimi/Nico H pairing at Ferrari though

HilariousLotus Sun 22-Sep-13 15:15:41

So Vettel was always going to win his car this weekend was beyond amazing

Does anyone else love the fact that Alonso and Mark will always pick each up each other on the track and give each other a ride back to the paddock

MrsJaqenHgar Sun 22-Sep-13 16:50:28

Why is it always Weber's car that has problems, never Vettel's? Although I do have to grudgingly admit that Vettel's car is pretty much untouchable and RBR do consistently earn the right to be smug about it. Even if its their smuggery that make me dislike them so.

Gutted once again for DiResta. He was having a really great race until that wall leapt out at him.

Love that friendship between Alonso and Weber. There's something genuinely touching about the way they always pick each other up. It's the small thing that reminds me that Alonso isn't a total primadonna tosser and is probably an alright kind of a guy when he's not sulking and throwing his toys out of his Ferrari shaped pram

MrsJaqenHgar Sun 22-Sep-13 16:56:20

And on the the subject of Ferrari prams
Quite possibly designed by the same person who has been responsible for the f1 cars for the last 3 years

HilariousLotus Sun 22-Sep-13 17:23:01

Scratch that Webber just got a ten place penalty for being given a lift back to the garage because he now has three reprimands this season it's beyond stupid!! I know there is a rule that you cant pick anything up on the way back to the pits but its a fellow driver he is not picking up anything bad for god sakes

The fire from Webbers car at the end was pretty spectacular although god love him for still trying to do the last lap even though he had no drive crossing the line

The booing just annoys me and now it seems a lot more people in the paddock because even Niki Lauda took off his hat and said Vettel had an amazing drive and doesn't deserve the boos and he is a Mercedes man ... It did make me laugh when he commented on next years Ferrari partnership by saying the fight between Kimi and Alonso wont even start because Kimi won't even say good morning to him

EauRouge Mon 23-Sep-13 06:46:41

Yes, bit funny how it's always Webber's car going wrong- how many bad starts has he had because of 'clutch problems'? Not usually a conspiracy theorist, but it's a bit funny, isn't it.....

Love Alonso picking up Webber.

Frettchen Mon 23-Sep-13 12:46:25

I was half expecting Horner to be shooting Alonso dark glances whilst up on the podium. Not that RBR have any real worries about winning the Constructors' championship, of course...

It does feel like there's not really any need for Webber to do anything for the rest of the season; Vettel's got it all in hand. So why not abandon a broken and flaming car and hitch a lift back.

Did Alonso get a reprimand for picking Webber up?

Frettchen Mon 23-Sep-13 12:48:25

Answering my own question, having googled... Yes - both Mark and Fernando got reprimands, but Mark's took him up to 3, thus landing him with the grid penalty.

HilariousLotus Mon 23-Sep-13 18:26:09

The video makes me laugh even more because basically Mark stuck out his hand to hitch a ride with Fernando like he was a taxi and even rubs the top of his head during the ride in what i can see as the ultimate act of comradery and now the FIA are warning all drivers not to ask/accept lifts from other drivers on the track
The video also looks like if Alonso hadn't of stopped Kimi would've smile

I know the FIA are saying that he should of had the marshals permission and Alonso stopped in a dangerous place but it was the warm down lap they weren't going as fast as they usually are during a race and if as some of the most skilled drivers in the world can't avoid a car and a man on a track whilst driving 70 mph surely they should be in a different career

I think Vettel definitely has the WDC in the bag the constructors though i think is definitely going to Red Bull but i think they are going to have to work at it though especially if they can't get both cars consistently in the top 5

EauRouge Fri 04-Oct-13 08:37:47

This is a fantastic rumour, I hope there's some truth in it. I'd love to see Rubinho back. I wonder if he'll be getting paid in magic beans.

HilariousLotus Sun 06-Oct-13 15:28:51

Sauber have said they won't rehire Barrichello which i think is a good thing because comebacks never end well look at Schumachers return

The Korean race was really action packed for me i knew Vettel was going to win because he has his car completely tuned in but Hulkenberg's drive this race was amazing and if he doesn't get a drive because he is too tall then changes to the regulations definitely need to happen because it would be horrific to lose a driver like that just because he is 6 foot

Seriously though what did Mark do in his last life? Another huge fire after being tagged by Sutil and then the marshals taking ages to put it out which is going to carry over till next race and then the random fire truck made me laugh

HilariousLotus Mon 07-Oct-13 18:28:05

The wildest rumor circulating that is not the Newey to Mclaren rumor is that if Vettel and Red bull get the championships sewn up quickly they are going to put Ricciardo in the Red Bull for the rest of the season

Another rumor is that Ross Brawn is being pushed out of Mercedes at the end of this season being replaced by Paddy Lowe and Ross is going to Honda to help them get ready for 2015

EauRouge Mon 07-Oct-13 19:47:05

It would be nice to have a break from Seb winning every bloody race grin I can't see it happening though.

I'd heard about the Ross Brawn rumours. I wonder if he could repeat his Brawn success with Honda again? That would be ace.

EauRouge Fri 11-Oct-13 08:29:40

This is really sad news sad Maria de Villota found dead.

Frettchen Fri 11-Oct-13 12:15:58

So sad. She went through so much last year with the accident. Her poor family. sad

EauRouge Fri 11-Oct-13 13:25:31

I know sad It seemed like she was in the clear and fully recovered from her accident. A terrible loss.

StyleOverSubstance Sat 02-Nov-13 21:14:43

bump! have really enjoyed reading this thread!

EauRouge Mon 04-Nov-13 07:58:37

I can't believe Vettel won the championship, what a shock! Never saw that coming grin

Latest rumours- Brawn to Williams? (I would love that) and Perez to stay at McLaren. Oh, and Lotus have been bailed out so Kimi can finally afford to pay his bills and do his big monthly grocery shop.

EauRouge Mon 11-Nov-13 08:19:16

Kimi's going for an early shower.

I wonder how much vodka the back surgery will involve? grin I've never even heard of their reserve driver, I wonder if he'll be any good.

EauRouge Mon 11-Nov-13 16:15:28

And now Massa has signed with Williams replacing Pastor Maldonado. A good move by Williams, I think.

EauRouge Tue 12-Nov-13 08:38:50

Magnussen to replace Perez at McLaren.

<talks to self> So who is still to confirm their line-up?

StyleOverSubstance Fri 15-Nov-13 15:13:14

so - am now wondering who is going to be left without a seat when the F1 music stops as Perez being unexpectedly thrown into the mix so late on is bound to add to the panic as he brings Telmex sponsorship with him, which given the current state of finances for many teams makes him an attractive proposition.

Would be a crying shame if The Hulk didn't get the Lotus drive, but will depend on what state their finances are in as to whether they end up taking Maldonado with his sack of gold or someone they really want. Have a feeling Di Resta is going to be left out in the cold this time as he has upset too many people at SFI by bigging himself up when things go well and then blaming the team when it doesn't and taking every opportunity to tell everyone that he is worthy of a top drive. Suspect that Chilton and Guttierez are also going to be out of a drive too.

Lotus seem to be causing the bottle neck at the moment and when they announce their driver, everything else should quickly fall into place.

EauRouge Fri 15-Nov-13 16:29:51

Yes, I think it will all fall into place once Lotus confirm their line-up. Have they confirmed Grosjean? I assume they'll be keeping him after his recent performances.

StyleOverSubstance Fri 15-Nov-13 16:57:21

Who do you think will be at which team of the remaining drivers and seats available Eau? and which team principals??

Haven't heard that Grosjean is confirmed as yet, but would be very surprised if he doesn't stay at Lotus given his upturn in form as the season has progressed. That, and the fact that Bouillier is his manager and he has sponsorship money from Total! All helps with the big picture... Although in a way, nice that the teams faith in him has been rewarded as many teams would have let him go after his 2012 performance - have a feeling that the Spa pile up Grosjean caused will haunt him for ever as clips of it are shown at every opportunity and are part of the Beebs F1 coverage intro.

Cant wait to see how the constructors places fall though, as suspect that Domenicali and Whitmarsh are under extreme pressure given their lacklustre performance and we may see changes of team principals yet, never mind the driver line up. Especially with it being McLarens 50th Anniversary this year - its certainly been one to forget for them which is such a shame given their history. Although on the face of it, I like Whitmarsh, not convinced that he is the right man for the job as he has made some fairly dire decisions which have cost them dearly.

I would not be at all surprised to find that Ross Brawn will be rejoining the Scuderia if they don't get 2nd or 3rd and suspect that he may be the only one who could manage the Alonso/Raikkonen dynamic, thinking back to how he handled Hamilton and Rosberg when they were in the same position as Webber and Vettel in Malaysia and they held station unlike the Red Bull drivers. Never mind 'tyre-gate', must be the only trial in history where the accused suggested the punishment and it was accepted by the court!! Wont be Raikkonen who will cause the problems as he doesn't get involved in the mind games, but Alonso reminds me of Nelson Piquet with Mansell, where he tries to destabilise his team mate to gain advantage.

Looking forward to Interlagos more than Austin though, not so keen on the newer circuits and then after that, how to survive until the 2014 season starts up..........

EauRouge Fri 15-Nov-13 17:15:52

I don't like to make predictions, they always go all Murray Walker grin At least one team will have a rich Russian who can't drive that well.

I wonder if you're onto something with the Brawn thing, Ferrari did hint a while ago that they had another big announcement to make about the team.

I never thought Martin Whitmarsh was up to the job, I thought he was just a temporary in between Ron moving over and them finding someone else.

StyleOverSubstance Fri 15-Nov-13 18:28:22

Only other thoughts I had re Ross Brawn was whether he would be going to Honda to help them get ready for their return to F1........ or if he was one of Bernie's 'backstops' if the court case didn't go well and he needed someone to keep things ticking over.

I read that MW didn't want to be the team principal, he was happy with a more desk bound job, but it was Ron himself who wanted him to take on the role.

As to Sauber's choice of driver - well, I find it very worrying that a young lad with little experience but who has parents with deep pockets can 'buy' a drive - over the last 20 years there have thankfully been few serious incidents and no fatalities, but motor racing is dangerous, you only have to watch Jackie Stewarts interview on 'Grand Prix, The Killer Years, where he talks of going to funerals on a regular basis.

It still says that Motor Racing is a dangerous sport on the back of the tickets and you only have to look back a couple of weeks to the tragic loss of Sean Edwards when he was sitting in with an inexperienced driver. Grosjean's Spa incident is another case in point, where he wasn't injured but it could so easily have been Alonso who was. Money has always spoken in F1, but talent still got through but it seems now as if things are moving too far towards those with sponsorship irrespective of talent. I doubt that Maldonado, to name but one, would have had more than a year in the sport had he not got some very rich backers.

EauRouge Sat 16-Nov-13 07:53:50

Maldonado is crap, I would be happy to see him dropped but I don't think the midfield teams can afford not to sign him.

It is a bit worrying that teenagers can just buy their way into a dangerous sport. I'm sure they can drive, but they need to prove themselves by being good enough, not just by having cash. I think this would be improved by a budget cap but some of the rich teams don't seem keen on one.

StyleOverSubstance Sat 16-Nov-13 10:58:48

Agree on both points Eau. Maldonado seems to think he is a better driver than his talent suggests and when interviewed, keeps wittering on about his 'victory' from last season as if he won the title. hmm He says he knows where he is going, but when pushed further, says he has 'options'. confused I read this as he wants to buy his way into Lotus, which if they don't get the financial package through that they are negotiating, he may well pull off as he will supply money and the back up plan is SFI or Sauber. (although Sauber may well be looking at getting someone much more experienced to mentor the young Sirotkin or else they could be spending a hell of a lot of time repairing cars in the garages with an inexperienced Rookie and Crashtor on their payroll!!) blush

Sirotkin, well, all I can liken it to is giving your kid who has just passed his driving test first time at the youngest age possible, (so he has minimal experience) the keys to your high performance sports car and telling him to take it out for a spin on his own...... I mean, you just wouldn't would you? For their safety and for the safety of other road users, it just wouldn't be a smart move. The only hope is that he really does have some talent and that his extraordinarily rich parents have bought him a simulator for a previous birthday grin

Nice to see Heikki back on the grid, would dearly like to see him drive again and I think Massa will do ok at Williams. smile Sorry about Perez being dropped at such short notice, but think McLaren had a knee-jerk reaction to Hamilton leaving, I don't think they really thought he would go and then when he did, Perez was the talk of the paddock at that moment, so they signed him when I think he could have done with another year at Sauber or another mid-field team to gain more experience. Personally, I would have taken the Hulk if I had been McLaren - feel sorry for him as he seems to keep missing out, am wondering if there is something we don't know that is keeping him out of a better car.hmm

What do you think of this seasons Rookies, Eau, who do you think has done well and who has underperformed?

EauRouge Sat 16-Nov-13 11:52:49

I really rate Hulkenburg, I'm surprised that one of the top teams hasn't snapped him up already. It was unbelievable that he was without a drive after that pole at Interlagos a couple of years ago. I wonder if they're wary of the new weight limit.

Rookies, I'd have to say Bottas. Williams haven't had a great season but he's finished more races than Crashtor. Does he count as a rookie? I know he's had a couple of seasons testing.

HilariousLotus Sat 16-Nov-13 13:00:18

I am going to be so annoyed when Lotus sign Maldonado instead of Hulkenberg for 2 reasons, the first of which is Hulkenberg is a great driver and with a better car he is going to win numerous races and two is that Maldonado and Grosjean together will bankrupt Lotus with the repair bills and the amount of spare parts they will need and that will be one less team on the grid but more importantly it means the Lotus team will stop tweeting which i find hilarious smile

I really wanted Nico H to go to Mclaren because i thought that would be one of the strongest partnerships on the grid but i don't think Mclaren could have taken on another "heavy" driver because they already have Jenson and that would've given them the heavest drivers on the grid for 2014 when the engines are taking up most of the weight limit it was a risk they couldn't of undertaken really

I am hoping that Sirotkin does not end up at Sauber like has been stated because the Russian/Sauber deal has not gone through yet and Maldonado and his money can go there where he can do less damage to other drivers and their cars before leaving F1 next year to make way for better drivers

StyleOverSubstance Sat 16-Nov-13 13:43:27

Hi Hilarious - have you heard that Maldonado is going to Lotus for definite? I really hope that is not the case, will be sooo disappointed if the Hulk misses out on that after missing out on Ferrari move. Always the bridesmaid and never the Bride! Maybe Perez will get Lotus seat if money still a factor - have heard that Martin Whitmarsh has been in contact with Eric Bouillier to see if he can go there.

Who do you think will win at Austin - Vettel or Hamilton?? I can see Seb running away with the last two races and adding yet another record to his impressive tally. He is definitely making the most of the situation whilst he can as who knows which car will be the best next year, although Red Bull have the finances to develop a car, it will be interesting to see which engine supplier gets it right and which gets it wrong.

Eau, yes agree with Bottas, he has acquitted himself well over the season and seems a very level headed bloke. With Susie Wolff in the team as development driver and her OH Toto as his manager (and as far as I am aware still holding some of the Williams shares), he should be ok for next year and if the car is an improvement on the current years, we may get a better idea of how good he really is. Sir Frank thinks he is the 'real deal' apparently.

Am beginning to think I have a bit of a 'thing' for Finns though, Kimi, Heikki, Valtteri ! Guttierez seems to have been a bit of a 'slow burn' - was thinking he may well have been dropped by team by summer break as he wasn't particularly impressive, but seems to have hit his stride and be doing a lot better. Bianchi has been signed for next year, but he was classed as the most experienced of the rookies, so not really surprised. Max Chilton is saying that he is near to signing a deal for next year and Giedo Van de Garde seems to have been ok, but McLaren are hoping to place Stoffel Vandoorme, so could be an interesting end of the season as the pieces finally fall into place.

DameDeepRedBetty Sat 16-Nov-13 13:55:56

Anyone any idea where Paul di Resta is going to end up?

StyleOverSubstance Sat 16-Nov-13 13:57:31

On the sofa at home is a distinct possibility as there are more drivers wanting a seat than there are drives available.

DameDeepRedBetty Sat 16-Nov-13 14:01:52

grin Style

I fear you may be right. And although he's good, and getting better, so are the others.

HilariousLotus Sat 16-Nov-13 14:16:40

The deal Lotus had with Quantum is not happening so they need a pay driver to balance the books because although they have a semi pay driver in Grosjean and his Total money they need more to keep going especially because they are now seen as a risk from major sponsors because they they are unable to keep the finances in order to stop drivers leaving and brands do not want to sponsor a team heading for bankruptcy especially without a leading name like Kimi

However the problem with Maldonado going to Lotus with Grosjean is that they both come with oil money which is the delay because Total are the ones paying Grosjeans wages and i doubt they are going to be happy to do so next year if they competing oil sponsors on the same car so Perez could go there with his Telmex money with no issues but it depends who has the bigger budget

Saubers deal is not happening also and they will not take Sirotkin without it so Maldonados money could go there since Sauber officially are struggling to pay the electricity bill but with PDVSA about to go into debt to the total of $4.5 bl is Maldonado actually going to have any money to bring to a team especially with the venezuelan sports currency scandal happening? Also would the team drop him halfway through the year if he could no longer provide the money?

HilariousLotus Sat 16-Nov-13 14:19:33

Paul with his seat not safe and too many pay drivers on the grid could be pushed out of f1 and into IndyCar to replace his retiring cousin Franchetti according to recent reports

StyleOverSubstance Sat 16-Nov-13 14:41:46

Very interesting update Hilarious, was not aware that Quantum deal not gone through as the last I had heard was that Lotus were now in a position to settle all outstanding debts. Goes some way towards explaining Kimi's decision to go for surgery now rather than delaying until the end of the current season as he now has to think of giving himself maximum time to recover ready to start next season with Ferrari.

Was aware of the conflict of interest with PDVSA money and Total money at Lotus, but was wondering if they would choose whichever Oil company came with the most backing. Total being French is surely their preferred option, but if Quantum deal no longer available, Perez with his Telmex money and Maldonado with his sack of gold may balance the books. Knew about the Venezuelan currency scandal as someone had asked Maldonado about it during an interview and he said he was not one of the people implicated, but as you rightly point out - if the source of money dries up, he would likely be dropped from the team if he had been signed.

Was not aware of Sauber deal falling through - although glad that Sirotkin will not be on grid as to my mind it was too much too soon for someone so young and inexperienced, but where will that leave Sauber??

HilariousLotus Sat 16-Nov-13 15:09:27

The Quantum deal has always been a bit sketchy especially Mansoor Ijaz he is not really the guy you want to trust to hand over money to you and its not something Lotus need to get themselves wrapped up into because if it does happen which i'm hearing is a slim possibility i am very sure they will regret it

Kimi still has yet to be paid by Lotus he tried to arrange payment from Gerard Lopez but nothing happened even Bernie was starting to get involved with the payment saga so why would Kimi race and potentially damage his back further for a team who refuses to pay him instead he chose to not put himself through further pain and get the surgery he needs and then recover in time for be in the best shape he can be for a team that will at least pay him

I definitely think Grosjean is staying at Lotus because Eric is his manager and can't see him going anywhere else but Rafael Ramirez has said that Maldonado will be at Lotus next year so i am not sure what is going to happen there

Hulkenberg to stay at Sauber or go back to Force India? However where does that leave Sergio and his bags of cash!

This silly season is getting ridiculous

StyleOverSubstance Sun 17-Nov-13 14:22:35

dear god, Just watched the post quali chats and Maldonado is now saying that his car was tampered with before quali - I bet Claire Williams and the rest of the team will be delighted to see the back of him (her boyfriend is Maldonado's race engineer). No wonder they have all been smiling this weekend, knowing that they only have one race to go before he is gone. Can just imagine his leaving party from Williams........... Party of One! So he is Mad, Bad and Dangerous - bet Lotus or Sauber can't wait for him to join them.

Frettchen Mon 18-Nov-13 17:20:23

It's almost a relief there's only one race left - what with Paranoid Maldonado, the utter defeat in Button's 'it'll all be over by 3pm' comment, and Vettel's bloomin' doughnuts.

Brazil's going to be a bittersweet affair - Webber's last race, and presumably the last we'll see of some of the others for at least a year. (BBC's gossip page is suggesting di Resta might defect to Indycar next year... Haven't read the full article yet.)

Do we think all the seats will have been announced/confirmed by next week? Or will we be still chasing answers after the season's ended? Also, is Kovalainen back for good, or just for these last two races?

EauRouge Mon 18-Nov-13 17:24:20

Maldonado is bonkers.

I think there will still be untaken seats by next weekend. I forget which season it was (not that long ago) where there were seats left unconfirmed until almost Christmas. I think we're in for another of those.

I'm so looking forward to next season. We should do a Mumsnet prediction league.

DameDeepRedBetty Mon 18-Nov-13 17:26:17

I'm in for that!

StyleOverSubstance Mon 18-Nov-13 19:09:17

Brilliant Idea Eau, and perhaps, just to add a bit of fun to the proceedings, who we would sign if money-were-no-object!!

StyleOverSubstance Mon 18-Nov-13 19:14:56

I suspect most peoples dream team wouldn't include Maldonado then? Just done an on-line poll where the choices were for him to go to Sauber, Lotus or out of F1 altogether, I voted with the majority of some 80% to say out altogether.

Grosjean had his faults last year, but has made steady progress this season and things have started to come good for him. Maldonado is still the same loose cannon he was when he started 3 years ago and I cant imagine after listening to his ramblings after the race that the team get any sort of valuable feedback from him, other than whatever happens it is not his fault! Or that he had a victory! He is hardly a PR dream is he, either for the team he is with or his country. Sorry - rant over grin

TheFaceofBEauRouge Mon 25-Nov-13 08:19:51

That's a wrap then. Would have been nice to see Wibbah win his last race, I think he will really be missed not by Seb.

I hope there are some more team announcements over the next couple of weeks so I can start making wild predictions about next season.

I think this is what I'm most interested in- where is Ross the Boss going?

Frettchen Mon 25-Nov-13 15:51:32

It was kind of emotional yesterday; what with 'Waltzing Matilda' spilling out of the Red Bull garage, and then Massa's procession of engineers when he rolled out of his garage. It was nice... I totally wasn't thinking how there was none of this fuss for Perez!!!

But yeah; we've still got a handful of driver spots open, and as you say - goodness only knows what's happening with Braun. I guess we're going to be riding this wave of change for another few weeks yet.

TheFaceofBEauRouge Mon 25-Nov-13 16:59:59

I think I saw a Williams mechanic holding a sign saying 'Good Riddance' as Maldonado left the garage.

StyleOverSubstance Mon 25-Nov-13 17:15:23

I am still standing by my prediction that Ross Brawn will return to the Scuderia. Think that they have decided drastic measures are in order to beat Red Bull and now Mercedes are proving a force to be reckoned with they are starting to buy in some serious expertise. James Allison has already joined them and I would imagine he has been steadily working away at the 2014 car.

Cant wait to see how the drivers market is going to pan out - think there are a few more surprises yet to come.

Just how to survive now until March........ Season reviews and testing should help in the meantime. Will really miss Mark Webber, but glad to see that he is happy to be leaving now and feels that it is the right time for him to move on and do other things.

TheFaceofBEauRouge Mon 25-Nov-13 17:46:22

Ferrari can dominate again.

Just like they did in the early 00s when you-know-who was there wink The rumours are certainly piling up.

EauRouge Wed 27-Nov-13 16:46:42
StyleOverSubstance Thu 28-Nov-13 10:00:26

Ha! Mercedes now formally announced that Ross Brawn is leaving (more fool them!!!!) so am waiting to see if he has decided to have a year out to go fishing, or if he is going to Ferrari or whether he will be working with Honda ready for their return to F1. Rumour mill should be starting to wind down now as the pieces slot into place for who is going where next year, but the tension is killing me! Will see if Perez and Hulkenberg are going to be at Force India, Maldonado at Lotus and who gets the seat at Sauber. Caterham rumour is that Kovaleinen will be back and Marrussia were taking Erickson........... anyone else know anything or heard any whispers???

HilariousLotus Fri 29-Nov-13 16:27:34

Oh god Lotus have confirmed Maldonado and Grosjean for next year Jesus the repair bill is going to bankrupt the company

HilariousLotus Fri 29-Nov-13 16:30:13

With the most hillarious tweet “@Lotus_F1Team: You never forget your first time... http://twitter.com/Lotus_F1Team/status/406453321109471233/photo/1”

StyleOverSubstance Fri 29-Nov-13 17:08:16

sad Just read that Lotus have confirmed Maldonado and am gutted - not really a surprise to be honest as Rafael Ramirez wanted that to be the case and presumably the oft-promised Quantum money still not appeared so time obviously running out leaving the team with Hobsons choice. Still, at least the team know a good sports psychologist!!! done wonders for Grosjean, although dealing with Maldonado's ego and lack of talent could be one bridge too far.

Such a shame that the power of money has influenced their decision rather than talent and this is the 'test case' everyone was talking about that shows the current shortcomings in F1. Lotus have now gone from having one of the most popular drivers on the grid to one of the least, so cant see that it will enhance their profile or encourage new sponsors as Maldonado is quite frankly a PR disaster and hardly a good ambassador for his country. Bet Williams were glad to be shot of him and suspect he would have been the one left out of the drivers musical chairs had he not been dragging his sack of gold with him.

Wonder if Eric Bouillier will stay at Lotus? Had a rough year last year balancing the books and all the other things going on, but at least he had the comfort of knowing he had Kimi (one of the best on the grid) and an ever improving Romain. Apparently PDSVA were trying to 'ring fence' their contribution to ensure it is used to develop Maldonado's car rather than being used to pay back the loans to Genii, but the 2014 car may not be as good as the previous two years as James Allison not involved in their development, so it would be poetic justice of a kind if after all Maldonado's smirking he gets a duff car when he has been thinking he will get one of the calibre of the E21.

Presume everyone else will now confirm their line-up, although many are an open secret, as the bottle neck of the Lotus drive is now cleared.

EauRouge Fri 29-Nov-13 17:16:52

Ugh, not bloody Maldonado.

StyleOverSubstance Fri 29-Nov-13 17:50:53

Just wondering if anyone knew the background on Maldonado on how he has got this sponsorship, especially now Hugo Chavez the country's president is dead. Does his father work for PDSVA in senior role or something? Is he related to Chavez? Anyone know????

EauRouge Sat 30-Nov-13 11:31:57

Something dodgy is going on, that's for sure. I hope Lotus are getting a shitload of money from PDVSA because they'll need it to repair all the cars that Maldonado crashes.

StyleOverSubstance Sun 01-Dec-13 18:44:21

Sounds as though Eric Bouillier is stuck between a rock and a hard place as the oft promised money from Quantum has still not materialised and is in all likelihood, never going to. He will have to balance the books now the money from their position in the constructors championship is known and start on the outstanding payments, so although the team had wanted to sign Hulkenburg, they were left no choice but to go for the money Maldonado brought.

Unfortunately, I suspect that this choice is going to do them more damage in the longer term as looking at any of the comments posted on F1 sites, very few are pleased that Maldonado has been signed and they could find themselves in a downward spiral if it doesn't attract sponsors. Not to mention the reckless driving - Maldonado may show a turn of speed on occasions, but very rarely is it allied with the intelligence and race craft that marks out the better drivers, so it often means that he doesn't finish a race or loses time to have a nose changed during the race and if the team don't finish in as high a position as this year and win the associated money that goes with it at the end of next year, they could well be in an even more precarious position.

Grosjean has managed to improve, yet still maintain speed, so the only hope that Lotus have IMHO is that the same can, by some miracle, happen with Maldonado. (clutching at straws here!)

EauRouge Tue 03-Dec-13 17:06:56

Hulk signs with Force India again. I wish one of the top teams would snap him up, he's so talented. I bet he'll replace Alonso at Ferrari once he goes.

Can't believe that comment in the article about PDVSA paying Williams £30 mill a year for Maldonado's seat. £30 mill! That's just embarrassing.

StyleOverSubstance Tue 03-Dec-13 20:05:45

re: £30 million to Williams - only logical explanation as to why Maldonado was there............ same as there are 30 million good reasons he is now at Lotus instead of the Hulk..................

EauRouge Tue 03-Dec-13 20:49:44

All I can think of is £30 mill and Williams still wanted rid of him.

StyleOverSubstance Wed 04-Dec-13 09:51:29

fsmile, then fgrin, really good that Eau - says it all, really funny, love it - that's my comment of the day.

Although am sure that Williams were delighted to see the back of Maldonado, he seems to think that he was destined for greater things and that Williams were holding him back and says that he set the wheels in motion (pardon the pun!) to get a move to a better seat. I heard that he favoured Sauber, but that it was PDVSA that wanted him at Lotus, which seemed strange as they already had Total as a major sponsor with Grosjean.

Was surprised at the rumour of Marussia in talks with Williams for a merger as it was said if it had gone through that would have been the end of them, so don't see they had anything to gain by it, unless the idea was that they would run two teams like Red Bull and Torro Rosso do now. Strange times in F1, that's for sure................

EauRouge Wed 04-Dec-13 11:12:41

I think there's so much uncertainty with the new rules. Next year could be really exciting and unpredictable.

Or Seb will win bloody everything again.

Frettchen Wed 04-Dec-13 12:44:35

My vote's on a bit of both - it'll star off a bit crazy; we'll see some unexpected drama in the first few races, then Red Bull'll figure their cars out and suddenly Vettel will spring into the lead and no one else will get a look in.

Then, maybe, halfway through the season it'll be discovered that Red Bull have found a loop hole which is why they're so fast, and the FIA will add more rules and whatnots ready for 2015.

Frettchen Wed 04-Dec-13 12:44:52

starT ^

StyleOverSubstance Wed 04-Dec-13 22:53:18

2014 Calender now confirmed, 19 races - so have just put all the dates on my calenders and the pre-season test dates. Mostly the usual suspects on the list, addition of Sochi and the expected ones dropped - India, Korea, New Jersey and Mexico. Not impressed with Interlagos being moved the penultimate race and Yas Marina being the season finale as to me the Brazilian Grand Prix really added to the mix - 2012 was one of my favourite races ever.

EauRougemasTree Tue 10-Dec-13 10:11:30

New rules being revealed.

I don't mind the idea of double points in the last race.

Drivers picking a number for their entire career- that won't cause any arguments, will it grin I don't see how that will work, will they all re-shuffle when someone retires and there's a new number up for grabs?

Cost cap- I really hope this will see the end of Maldonado pay drivers.

Frettchen Wed 11-Dec-13 12:58:35

Ah, y'see I don't really like the double points thing. It's setting one race above the others and saying 'this one is special, and also makes the winners' when, as we saw this year, the Drivers' Championship was actually won several races before the final one. Can't remember when the Constructors' Championship was won, so can't work out whether double points would have affected it.

The BBC says that it would have changed 3 out of the last 20 World Championships...

Also not so keen on the minimum of 2 pit stops. Glad that's been rejected. A lot of the interesting tactics this year were tyre-related, and removing the option of trying for a one-stop gets rid of some of the potential for end-of-race drama.

I'm in favour of the cost cap (so long as it doesn't cause any compromises in safety, obviously!) - can't see any issues with that.

And not really that bothered on the numbers. The current numbering system didn't really mean anything as it wasn't fully based on how the drivers finished the previous year - if you'd done really well, but your teammate did crap, you'd both end up with numbers in the middle of the field. Plus they omit the number 13 which strikes me as a bit of a silly superstition. So yeah - let them have their own numbers. Like how Beckham was always number 7 - it totally makes sense for merchandising, and so I can see the thinking.

I'm wondering if they pick crazy numbers like 2010 (if, for example, Vettel wanted to pick the year he first won?)

Also, I'm not looking forward to the chassis changes, just on an aesthetical note... They need to find a way of making the cars aerodynamic and also keeping them looking good. (Stepped nose, I'm looking at you.)

StyleOverSubstance Thu 12-Dec-13 20:28:11

Apparently Seb is going to become a dad very soon, so will be joining the new dads club which includes Horner, Grosjean, Maldonado, Davidson etc. Had to laugh at one of the comments someone had posted - engineered by Newey, directed by Horner.

EauRougemasTree Fri 13-Dec-13 07:14:12

Crikey, they must be putting something in the champagne.

EauRougemasTree Sat 21-Dec-13 17:13:57

I think I'm a bit cynical about the double points thing because the championship will be decided long before the last race. So it's pointless. It's like Schumacher all over again, they're introducing all these weird rules to make it more competitive (remember the sprinkler plan?) and none of them will work. So I'm just kind of shrugging.

BBC to show 9 races next year. Is it going to be gradually reduced until we're left with nothing? I hate the Sky coverage.

StyleOverSubstance Sat 21-Dec-13 21:55:07

Gutierrez now confirmed, talk of Kobayashi returning to the grid with Caterham, last few pieces falling into place. PDR shot himself in the foot I feel as he bigged himself up too much when things went well and flirted with teams higher on the grid and criticised his team when things didn't go well, so it looks like he will be left without a seat as the Sauber seat he was in with a chance of has now gone.

Have a feeling that Maldonado is going to end up in the equivalent of his Williams car when at Lotus as a lot of key staff have left. Apparently if they haven't been paid and their contracts have been breached they are not obliged to take 'gardening leave' to take up job offers with other teams and can just go to whoever and wherever. I don't think Lotus's troubles are over yet, sadly, as I like the team and would liked to have seen Kimi stay there, think they were well suited.

Williams are back on the rise I suspect as they have made some important changes with new key personnel and I think Massa is going to do well there, I think he will thrive being out of Alonso's shadow and I think he will like the family atmosphere (plus the fact that Smedley will be there too, cant have one without the other it seems).

Anyone know if the Beeb are doing a season review like Sky are? Cant find it on listings, but seem to remember theirs was around New Year last year, so maybe too soon to be looking for it.

EauRougemasTree Sun 22-Dec-13 15:37:33

Yes, it's on BBC on the 28th at lunchtime.

Crashy Kobayashi's coming back grin He's so much fun.

StyleOverSubstance Sun 22-Dec-13 16:19:40

Thanks Eau, have set up all the other F1 stuff on the Sky planner, so will find the Beebs show as it should come into the rolling 7 days listing now.

Don't honestly think that they will do the double points for the final race, just think it is one of Bernie's wily ploys to keep everyone talking about F1 during the winter break....... or at least I hope its one of his cunning plans.........

Have you seen Luca di Monte's Christmas message to the fans yet? Saw it on BBC website, looks like he is planning on Bernie not being around too much longer as he was talking about having a group of people looking after the different aspects of F1 rather than just Bernie controlling everything.

Loved the picture of Kimi at the factory, everyone else dressed in Ferrari red, Kimi dressed in black............ I think Ferrari will have a good car this next season with James Allison's involvement, so will be interesting to see if Red Bull struggle to pull off the Constructors this time as Kimi and Fernando, if given a decent car are both points scoring machines and would both be regulars on the podium.

Hope that Daniel R, having been brought through the Red Bull programme isn't too conditioned to knowing his place in the hierarchy and is able to race freely rather than deferring to Vettel all the time. He really is going to have to hit the ground running. I don't see it as a given that Red Bull will win both trophies this year as too many variables come into play. Some very strong driver pairings, but only if they can keep harmony in the team, so should be in interesting season.

EauRougemasTree Sun 22-Dec-13 16:43:42

I've been planning on Bernie not being around too much longer for years grin

Sadly I think Ricciardo is going to be a very clear number 2. Red Bull really need to be thinking ahead though, especially if all the Seb to Ferrari rumours are true.

StyleOverSubstance Sun 22-Dec-13 21:37:06

Maybe the final outcome of the court cases he is involved with will sort it out once and for all. CVC have said that he cant stay if he is charged, but to be honest, I think the sport is ready for change. Bernie secured the future of F1 in the early days when everyone else was risk averse and did a great job, but now I think it is time it evolved again as it has now reached a point where it has to reinvent itself again to survive and move forward.

No longer a chance for teams like those started by Frank Williams and Ken Tyrell or Colin Chapman, basically a man with a dream, it is definitely a corporate affair now where the costs mean that teams need to have the funds supplied by the likes of a company like Red Bull and Mercedes.

Smaller teams like Marussia and Caterham find it hard to move from being back markers to mid-field and the same for the mid-field to move to front of grid. We have basically now got a 3 tier situation. Find it utterly ridiculous that the money doled out at the end of the season is done in the way it is, especially when the two (when HRT were still on the grid) who finished last got nothing. It just means that there is no progression for smaller teams through the ranks to bring in an element of competition to the establishment. Rant over!!! fgrin

EauRougemasTree Sun 22-Dec-13 21:48:41

Yes, I hate all the corporate bullshit. I know that money funds the technology but it shouldn't be at the expense of proper competition. We need a budget cap and we need it soon!

I wish there was less of a circus about the whole thing. I want to see gritty, proper, wheel-to-wheel racing, not a personality-free driver saying nice things so as not to offend the sponsors and then spraying champagne at some models being employed as human billboards.

StyleOverSubstance Mon 23-Dec-13 11:59:39

With you all the way Eau, but suspect it may go more the other way when Bernie goes and it does become more corporate - I can see it becoming like Mercedes with a top heavy management structure.

EauRougemasTree Sun 29-Dec-13 14:32:25

Schumi injured in skiing accident.. This story has gone from 'serious head injury' to 'slight concussion', but either way I hope he's better soon.

TheEyeofHarmony Sun 29-Dec-13 22:33:34

Not looking great at the moment. Get better soon Michael.

ShouldEAUldAcquaintanceBeForgo Sun 29-Dec-13 23:16:07

I think there's always a lot of uncertainties with head injuries. hopefully tomorrow the doctors will have a better idea of what is happening.

StyleOverSubstance Mon 30-Dec-13 23:27:52

Really shocked at news - just hope he pulls through and is ok. Hoping for a miracle and he will be sat up in bed celebrating his birthday on 3rd Jan..........

Frettchen Tue 31-Dec-13 11:32:01

Today's news just says that he's in a more stable condition and is showing slight improvement, but that it's still very early days.

Hopefully he'll continue to fight on through this.

StyleOverSubstance Tue 31-Dec-13 17:28:10

fingers crossed for continued improvement frettchen, fingers and everything else crossed! Still cant believe that he has been so unlucky to be badly injured skiing after all those years roaring round F1 circuits. Just shows how much safer F1 is now.

Wasn't overly impressed by end of year reviews by Beeb or Sky, but then not really a lot to say when Seb swept the board. Was hoping to have more info on new regs and various bits of gossip from the paddock re who is going where etc. Highlight was watching Damon's impression of the MP4/4 from when he was watching the race in Casino Square in Monaco. (I have the photo of when Ayrton crashed into the barrier and Damon is in the picture as a spectator in one of my Senna books). Cant believe it is 20 years since that horrible, horrible weekend at Imola. Goodwood are supposed to be doing some sort of special celebration to commemorate Senna on the 20th Anniversary, but haven't heard what yet.

ShouldEAUldAcquaintanceBeForgo Tue 31-Dec-13 17:47:31

20 years since Senna died? Bloody hell. I remember it so clearly, I was so upset.

StyleOverSubstance Mon 06-Jan-14 14:41:24

yes, Eau twenty years this year, unbelievable isn't it? Think it doesn't seem so long because there is so much footage still shown of various races as well as quite a few mentions when various milestone records are neared or broken as Ayrton held a goodly number - Schumi cried when he beat one of them a few years ago and Seb was really moved 2012 season when one of the commentators told him he had beaten a Senna record. My favourite Senna lap is still Donnington 93 and watching him race around Monaco.

EauRouge Sat 11-Jan-14 18:46:57

So, the drivers have all chosen their numbers. I still think this is a stupid idea. Maldonado's picked number 13 grin

Sparklingbrook Sat 11-Jan-14 18:50:57

This is a blast from the past. i thought he was great. Not heard anything about him for years.

EauRouge Mon 13-Jan-14 16:23:05
magimedi Mon 13-Jan-14 16:39:18

How sad - he always seemed like such a nice guy, unaffected by the glitz of F1 & a great father.

Sparklingbrook Mon 13-Jan-14 17:24:14

Oh no. sad

magimedi Mon 13-Jan-14 17:47:44

Very nice obituary here

It's also, in my opinion, one of the best of the F1 blogs.

StyleOverSubstance Tue 14-Jan-14 10:58:45

Very sad news re: JB senior, will be much missed by everyone in F1 as well as family.

News on Schumi is that they are doing some more tests to check on brain activity and see which areas are most damaged. Not sounding too promising for him. Still cant believe that he spent 20 odd years racing round various circuits and then retires, goes skiing and this happens. Ironically, F1 kept him safe.

MostWicked Tue 14-Jan-14 11:12:07

How very sad for Jenson and his family sad

Pennies Wed 15-Jan-14 15:49:46

Does anyone have any advice on getting tickets to the Monaco Grand Prix, preferably with pit lane walks?

StyleOverSubstance Thu 16-Jan-14 13:28:59

Sebastian Vettel and girlfriend have become parents on Sunday 12th to a baby girl.

Circle of life isn't it - sad loss of JB's dad and start of a new chapter for Seb.

Frettchen Thu 16-Jan-14 15:24:37

And confirmation's in that Bernie's going to trial. He's stepped down from the board but will continue to run the business on a day-to-day basis, albeit with some monitoring.

Sounds like we're going to start the season with things continuing as they have been, but we could see some drama around/after April.

(Legal Disclaimer: I know very little about the alleged bribery, aside from what I have just read on the bbc website, and am most definitely not saying that he did or did not do it!)

StyleOverSubstance Thu 16-Jan-14 18:34:09

Yes!! Ron Dennis CEO of McLaren again - hope that this is the start of a return to the glory days of old!!!! Although I like Martin Whitmarsh as a person, he is just not cut from the right cloth to be a TP. Not clear yet whether Ron will be TP again (suspect not as he retains responsibility for other areas of the business) or maybe we will see a certain Ross Brawn in charge soon. Mercedes were fools to let him go and could well regret their decision if he does go to McLaren.

MostWicked Thu 16-Jan-14 23:46:34

Does anyone have any advice on getting tickets to the Monaco Grand Prix, preferably with pit lane walks?

Rob a bank or marry a megastar.

MostWicked Thu 16-Jan-14 23:47:03

Does anyone have any advice on getting tickets to the Monaco Grand Prix, preferably with pit lane walks?

Rob a bank or marry a megastar.

EauRouge Fri 17-Jan-14 07:32:51

Become a hip hop star and make friends with Lewis Hamilton grin

Never thought I'd say this (not a McLaren fan), but it'd be great to see Ron back in the pit lane. McLaren have slipped so much since he stopped being TP, it must have been so frustrating to see all that hard work slipping away. MW was never really cut out for the job, I always assumed he was a stop-gap before finding a new TP.

StyleOverSubstance Fri 24-Jan-14 11:49:38

McLaren Launch today online - 12 noon - have got McLaren page set up and ready to go...... Martin Whitmarsh will not be present apparently for the first time a car is launced in 25 years........ Am hoping that they have found him something back at the MTC in another part of the business as I like him as a person and would hate to see him go, but he is sadly not TP material.

Liking the colour scheme of the new force india (also a good choice as the darker background colour makes it more difficult to see some of the finer design details!!)

Shock news of the day - or maybe not - Eric Boullier has left Lotus and is rumoured to be joining McLaren as their new TP. He has done a brilliant job for Lotus under very difficult conditions and if rumour is true, will do equally as well for McLaren with a significantly higher budget to play with (McLaren say that this is the biggest spend they have ever had for a car this year). Suspect he has probably had issues with payment too! Gerard Lopez is going to be running team with Andy Ruhar. So Maldonado may not have made such a good choice after all - Williams will be delighted that the smirker smirked too soon as I think they will be in a much better place next year to be scoring points with their new line-up of personnel.

Feel sorry for Lotus though as they had a brilliant little team with James Allison designing the cars, Kimi as one of their drivers and Boullier as TP and it seemed to be a really good set-up and had they had the finances they could I am sure, have kept the good staff they had and gone onto greater things. Ciaran Pilbeam has left to go to McLaren (I think it is ).

Cant wait for the new season - am pretty miffed that Jerez coverage is going to be so minimal, but better some than none at all.

DameDeepRedBetty Fri 24-Jan-14 12:08:52

placemark to keep this thread findable again... it vanished from TIO as I didn't visit for so long while sulking over Vettel winning again.

EauRouge Fri 24-Jan-14 12:11:42

Ooh, it's all starting to happen! Not surprised at all about Boullier leaving Lotus. There was so much potential there sad What a shame.

Just got my new copy of F1 Racing through the door this morning so been having a skim through that. Hard to read it properly when DD2 is pointing at every car and saying 'is that Mike-o Schumacher?'.

StyleOverSubstance Fri 24-Jan-14 12:16:18

McLaren launch was just a small slide show of pictures of the car from various angles with option to look at it from 360 degrees and a list of compoments from whoever and wherever. No one talking about it - but as they are in a state of flux with personnel at the top at the moment, understandable. Disappointing though as usually more excitement attached to unveiling and especially with such a radical change this year, was expecting more.

Just remembered clause in Lotus contracts - if staff haven't been paid, they don't have to go on gardening leave they can just go straight to another job, so if that is the case, Boullier is free to walk away and join McLaren for the start of the season. Think Lotus's entry for 2014 grid still pending too.

Stupid double points for last race looks like it is going to stand, not pleased that Interlagos is not last as it always throws a bit of something into the mix as it is one of the older circuits and all sorts can happen there to spice things up.

MostWicked Fri 24-Jan-14 15:26:15

Stupid double points for last race looks like it is going to stand

That has got to be, the most ridiculous idea they have ever come up with. All to leave it open that bit longer.

EauRouge Fri 24-Jan-14 15:28:54

Bernie is softening us up for his sprinkler idea.

MrsVamos Fri 24-Jan-14 15:30:36

Marking place. I love a good race, and especially one where Vettell doesn't win. grin

Only see half of them though. angry I assume BBC still have some rights for this year ?

Double points for last race ? F1 has officially gone mad !

Whose going to have MW job at Maclaren then ? Ron, or Ross Brawn ?

EauRouge Fri 24-Jan-14 15:58:13

I think the BBC are going to be allowed to show the queue of traffic to get into all the F1 races.

Anyone still up for Mumsnet Fantasy F1 this year?

MrsVamos Fri 24-Jan-14 15:59:55

grin EauRouge

Probably not far wrong.

<wails>

I don't know what MN Fantasy F1 is...

DameDeepRedBetty Fri 24-Jan-14 20:19:07

Well MrsVamos on one level MN Fantasy F1 is a game where you pick a driver and a (different) team and tot up points earned over the season. And the winner at the end gets lots of big hugs and admiring pm's.

On another level it is basically which driver you lust over and have disturbing dreams which involve him, a large amount of whipped cream and a curiously shaped bit off the exhaust manifold.

I know which one I prefer...

StyleOverSubstance Fri 24-Jan-14 23:13:11

Ha! Maldonado's choice of 13 is looking like it is becoming distinctly unlucky for Lotus with the mass exodus that seems to be occurring. grin Either that or they are drawing straws as to who gets to work on his side of the garage and the losers are walking rather than stay and work with him!!!

Wonder what Grosjean will do if Boullier has left to go to McLaren as Boullier is his manager and without him at the helm of Lotus as TP, I think he would have been dropped some time ago, but Boullier kept faith with him and managed to convert his speed with silly mistakes into speed without mishaps, which is basically what Maldonado is going to need this year - but suspect that the car they will have this year isn't going to be as good as previous years as James Allison wont have had any input in its design, so doubt that either of them will be appearing regularly on the podium, which in Grosjean's case is a pity as he has come a long way in the last 12 months.

I wouldn't like to speculate on Lotus's future at the moment with the disclosure of a £114 Million debt, makes Maldonado's contribution look like a drop in the ocean and maybe The Hulk not getting a drive there was divine providence as I think Force India are going to be a better option for him.

I hope Sam Michaels goes from McLaren in the big shake up - nothing against him personally, but he did nothing for Williams and not a lot for McLaren and his pardon the pun - track record - is patchy to say the least. McLaren need rebooting from the bottom up!! Am hoping that the Kimi/Fernando dynamic does work as they are both going to benefit if it does - if the car is good enough they are easily going to be a regular pair on the podium which takes valuable constructors and WDC points away from Red Bull, who I see in a weaker position with Daniel Ricciardo stepping up to the bigger team and having to settle in with Seb - don't see him being a regular on the podium yet, but time will tell! Kimi and Nando both know how to win races.

EauRouge Sat 25-Jan-14 07:21:08

I'm having a good old laugh at Maldonado grin Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.

I've never been a McLaren fan but I'm hoping to see them do better this season. It'll be interesting to see how Magnussen does- their last gamble on a rookie paid off pretty well!

MrsVamos- I was thinking something like this for Fantasy F1, we can make a Mumsnet league.

Frettchen Tue 28-Jan-14 11:36:17

Have you all seen the spate of pointy-noses?

Look at them all!

EauRouge Tue 28-Jan-14 11:46:20

The new Ferrari looks just like my vacuum cleaner.

Frettchen Tue 28-Jan-14 12:06:56

I'm just trying not to imagine the cars jousting next year!

Frettchen Tue 28-Jan-14 12:06:56

I'm just trying not to imagine the cars jousting next year!

EauRouge Tue 28-Jan-14 12:21:10
Frettchen Tue 28-Jan-14 13:32:17

They did say we'd have some reliability issues to start things off. Kimi and Perez have both had to stop on track, Lewis is just upping the drama!

StyleOverSubstance Tue 28-Jan-14 16:11:05

Don't know about the lower noses being safer/preventing more dangerous t-boning accidents, I'm with Adrian Newey on this one and think that this design is going to be more dangerous. More chance of car running into one in front and submarining underneath it as per a Schumacher accident quoted by Adrian.

On the plus side, should mix things up a bit as everyone got a steep learning curve and judging from todays running, it is a distinct disadvantage to have missed the opportunity to test the new car designs.

Apparently Lotus have contacted Martin Whitmarsh (who is staying at his house in France) to see if he would like the job of Lotus Team Principal............. So sounds like he could definitely be out of McLaren altogether rather than a sideways move.

Not heard any updates on Schumacher either, just as an aside, so difficult to know if no news is good news or whether they are just keeping things low key to help his family who must be going through hell at the moment.

EauRouge Tue 28-Jan-14 16:34:42

Apparently his family have imposed a media blackout, although I don't think there's much to report at the moment anyway.

Whitmarsh at Lotus? They've had a hell of a change of personnel. Can't see them doing well this season but who knows with all the rule changes.

StyleOverSubstance Wed 29-Jan-14 20:42:13

Day 2 - Jerez
Well, Boullier confirmed at McLaren, but interesting that he is not an outright replacement for MW. Seems Ron has decided to implement another level of management between - so does that leave the door open for MW to in effect stay at his current designation but without being involved in day to day running or is it an option to allow Ross Brawn to come into the team???? Cant see a RD/RB/EB management team working particularly well, but who knows??? RB has said on many occasions that it is better if there is just one boss and lets face it with his track record and experience, I for one wouldn't argue with him.

Renault seem to be struggling more with their engines than Mercedes and Ferrari, so maybe one good thing that McLaren have in their favour is that they are sticking with them during this, their transition year, before Honda come back. Presumably Honda will learn a fair bit from what goes on this season as it unfolds as to what makes a successful package. SV already gone home to Switzerland after having the least runs out in the car, but be interesting to see how thing progress and if Mercedes does turn out to be the best/most reliable package, what effect it will have on the title challenge for this year.

Rumours that Schumi is improving and they are starting to bring him round from his coma. Not had chance to watch much of the testing today, so am hoping to settle down in an hour or so when kids in bed/lunches done and so on and catch up.

Roll on March and the start of the season!!!

EauRouge Thu 30-Jan-14 09:07:05

Told you the mad old bastard was softening us up for another bonkers rule.

Lots in the press about Perfect Seb doing badly yesterday; it's too early to tell anything meaningful but I think everyone is hoping the Vettel domination won't be quite so bad this year (it did get boring to watch).

I haven't seen any news about Schumi, last I heard his family and doctors had said they weren't updating the press so I think most stories around are just speculation. Fingers crossed for him but it doesn't look good sad

Interesting to see how the McLaren structure is being put together- sounds like Ron wants total control but doesn't want to go to all the races. Fair enough. I think with Ross Brawn as well there will definitely be too many cooks. I dunno if they will offer MW a sideways move but would he even take it after everything that's happened? Think he's more likely to go to Lotus.

45 days to go!

MostWicked Thu 30-Jan-14 17:27:02

Stupid man! I understand he wants to keep the tv audiences to the very end, but the audience is made up of racing fans and racing fan want to see racing.

Confirmed they are bringing Michael out of his coma. I hope it's given his brain the time it needed to heal. I suspect this is going to be a long, slow recovery.

StyleOverSubstance Thu 30-Jan-14 19:41:13

Am beginning to think Mr E is losing his marbles if he wants to put in place a double points scheme for the last 3 races - problem is after years of his 'ducking and diving' obtuse answers its going to take a while to find out for sure! Unless, that is, he has realised it will take Red Bull/Renault up to the near the summer break to sort out their respective problems and its his way of 'helping' them out when the car finally hits its stride towards the end of the season and they can make up for the earlier losses ......... just a thought!

Other ideas that have been proposed are that each team could have a 'joker' where they can choose a circuit they think their car will favour and whatever points tally they get, they can double it. Another one was that the 4 'old school' circuits still left on the calendar like Spa and Suzuka would be chosen to have the double points award. Or allocating points for getting pole or fastest lap, but once you start on this path, where does it end??? Just leave things as they are - especially this year. Personally, I think for the first few races, getting to the end of the race will be a big enough achievement!!

The Marussia car unveiled today has won my 'best looking car' admiration, sorry Ferrari! Ironically or maybe its a good thing - Lotus will have the benefit of Torro Rosso and Red Bull ironing out the gremlins in the engine, so may not be quite as big a loss as I first thought it may be that they are not at Jerez. Really don't see Martin Whitmarsh going to Lotus as their TP, but who knows what will happen this season.

Feel really sorry for Jensen, must be really tough for him not having the support of his dad for the first time and not having MW there either, who he gets on well with. He seems to have become the appointed spokesperson for McLaren whilst they sort themselves out and I suspect he just wants to go away and come to terms with his loss.

Good to hear that Shumi is on the road to recovery, however long it takes, just good to hear something positive. How good a recovery it will be and if there is any long term effects have yet to be discovered, but at least todays news is a step in the right direction. Was watching a BBC video today from when he retired from his second career and was interviewed by Jake Humphries and I don't mind saying it brought a tear to my eye. I didn't like him in his first career as he pulled some really dodgy moves on occasions (Damon Hill, Jacques Villeneuve) and didnt come across as particularly pleasant, but really warmed to him in his second career and was sorry to see him retire.

Looking forward to watching Teds Notebook later and the miniscule coverage on Sky, have been following Beebs live feed on-line in the day as and when I could.

God, haven't I rambled on?? that's what comes of having no-one to talk to extensively on my favourite subject!! DH likes F1, but not to the extent I do. Sorry folks!!

StyleOverSubstance Fri 31-Jan-14 13:46:17

Judging by the past three days, looks like Mercedes have got a real handle on the powertrain package, their cars and other teams running their engines seem to have been the best so far, Ferrari powered cars in the middle and the Renault powered engines are playing catch up.

Seems as though Red Bull are paying the price for concentrating so much on winning 4th double championship and less time on 2014, but think it will be a blip that will soon be ironed out. At the end of the day, 4 doubles on the bounce is probably worth taking a hit for in the early part of 2014, especially when everyone was aware what a massive change this year was going to be.

Really impressed with Kevin Magnussen, he seems to be the real deal and having come through the McLaren ranks is well aware of what is expected of him. Has a nice balance of 'rookie excitement' and common sense approach and seems very mature for one so young. Rumours were that Perez had a bit of an 'attitude' and was a bit lazy and that is what let him down as he hadn't caught onto what was expected of him stepping up to be a McLaren driver, engineers voted Magnussen in based on quality of his feedback and work ethic and Perez out. Cant wait to see Kvyatt (sp??) either - think the two of them are going to be something special.

Think Massa and Bottas will do well this year as a pairing, Massa already looks a lot more relaxed and happier - be nice to see Williams do well.

Just hope same can be said of Caterham after Tony Fernandes comments about this year being make or break - but it looks as though the what seemed odd Mercedes top heavy management structure is what is needed in F1 these days along with a budget to match!

StyleOverSubstance Tue 04-Feb-14 12:13:03

OMG - have I killed the thread? Where's everyone gone? Or am I the only person who watched testing???

EauRouge Tue 04-Feb-14 12:21:25

No, I watched it too, just forgot to post the other day. Seems like RB have a lot of work to do before the next test- I still think it's a bit early to write them off though.

StyleOverSubstance Wed 05-Feb-14 13:43:11

Thank goodness! Was beginning to feel like I was talking to myself - although should be used to it as DCs switch off when I talk F1, or moan if I tell them how many days it is to the start of the new season as it means that they don't get to watch their choice on the telly on a Sunday. DH is interested and watches every race and as many practice sessions as poss, but is not quite as keen as me, so I suppose I should be grateful.

We watched Rush at the weekend on Box office, Saturday night and then again on Sunday. Wasn't expecting a lot from it as thought it may be a little too 'Hollywood' with actors playing the parts of Lauda and Hunt, but it was really enjoyable.

The Senna film was just footage from the era which I absolutely loved as there was no way things could be reinterpreted, it was like stepping back in time and living through it all again with the added benefit of access to the drivers meetings and such - there is a new film due out next month called Formula 1 which from the blurb I have seen so far seems to follow the same format, so will be buying that I suspect.

Looking forward to seeing what RB have done since Jerez when they get to Bahrain, I don't see their being slightly behind as a major obstacle because of the amount of resources they have to plough into getting it all right - although suspect that there will be a bit of re-grouping going on in a few teams with all the changes in personnel.

StyleOverSubstance Mon 10-Feb-14 10:17:41

am marking my place as thread disappeared from TIO

EauRouge Mon 10-Feb-14 11:20:22

Mine too.

Did you read about that Lotus tweet? Too bad they had to delete it sad Only sponsor-approved opinions are allowed in F1!

StyleOverSubstance Mon 10-Feb-14 19:46:28

tee hee, perhaps they are practising for when Maldonado starts his wild accusations about something or someone! Still chuckling about the claims that he made when at Williams where he said someone had messed with his car!! Cant wait for season to start again, but at least I can now say that it is next month.... excited? - you bet!!! I. can't. wait.

On a lighter note, DH & I were watching the McLaren P1 on Top Gear last night, Jezza took car to Belgium and surprise, surprise, ended up driving it around Spa Circuit recognised Eau Rouge straight away on the teasers (Jammy b*****d - they got to drive around Monte Carlo & Imola, over the last couple of series). Car went like a scalded cat - DH and I were highly amused as the P1 handled the circuit better than last years F1 Car did - shame McLaren didn't use that for their race car - they might have won the Constructors and Drivers championships if they had!!!.

EauRouge Fri 14-Feb-14 08:09:42

That P1 was pretty special, wasn't it? The whole of the bit where he was in Bruges I was shouting 'go to Spa! Why aren't you going to Spa?' grin

Have you seen this? You know it's nearly the start of the new season when JV does his annual 'F1 isn't as good as it was when I was in it' statement. I get what he says about the drivers 'lacking personality' but it's been like that for years. Remember when he had that massive argument with JPM and they were threatening to take each other out in the race? That was brilliant. Maldonado will probably do something like that soon <hopeful smiley>

StyleOverSubstance Fri 14-Feb-14 13:12:17

Seen any of the Promo films yet? Mercedes one with Lewis and Nico is really good - on skysports website at the moment, as is the Lotus one with Romain and Pastor, also worth a look.

Looking forward to Bahrain practice later in the week - Renault seem to have ironed out problems in their engine as Lotus reported they had done well with their running (used one of their promotional days allowance) to make up for loss of practice at Jerez). Remains to be seen whether RB have done as well with their issues with the car.

News re Schumi a little unsettling, Bild are usually fairly accurate with their sources, so am hoping that it is just a 'blip'.

EauRouge Fri 14-Feb-14 13:26:15

Just watched them. The Mercedes one is very good grin Lotus one a bit cheesy.

Have you read about Sauber's latest signing?

StyleOverSubstance Fri 14-Feb-14 19:24:30

Just seen article, maybe the start of something new then, along with the other changes!!!

StyleOverSubstance Tue 18-Feb-14 08:42:39

Bumping for Bahrain!!

EauRouge Tue 18-Feb-14 08:54:50

I can't wait to see if/how much RB have improved their car.

EauRouge Tue 18-Feb-14 14:23:54

I've started a fantasy F1 thread here.

StyleOverSubstance Wed 19-Feb-14 00:10:23

OK Eau will mark my place on new thread - where is everyone? Usually a fair few posters on thread............

EauRouge Wed 19-Feb-14 08:45:41

I think the thread must have dropped off their 'threads I'm on', don't they do that if you haven't posted for a while? I'm sure some more people will post when the season gets closer, if not in the next couple of days with the testing on.

Frettchen Wed 19-Feb-14 11:04:15

I'm still here, although it had dropped off my TIO list.

Am stuck at work, so I'm dipping in and out of the BBC text coverage of today's testing. Will have a look at the Fantasy thread on my lunch break, but am almost definitely in! The only real F1 fan I know is my dad, so we've split the drivers between us to see who gets the most points.

Ooh; Seb's done a lap...

EauRouge Wed 19-Feb-14 11:45:03

Seb's done a lap? In the car or on foot? grin

Frettchen Wed 19-Feb-14 12:02:01

I was almost feeling sorry for the Red Bull team what with all this not-actually-driving they've had going on. Then I remembered their recent history of utter domination and how suddenly the double-points final race makes all the difference to a potentially poor opening and all my sorry-feelings disappeared.

They've got some catching up to do though. So far today Lewis has clocked up 70 laps whilst Seb's just made it to 7.

No sign of the Toro Rosso car yet today, so although Red Bull are having the most reported-on problems, they're not alone in their technical difficulties; their sister-team is right there alongside them.

(and as I typed that, Kvyat has just left the garage, making a liar of me!)

EauRouge Wed 19-Feb-14 12:30:28

Ooh, Hulkenburg's just done a lap that is faster than Seb's fastest lap time in last year's race.

EauRouge Wed 19-Feb-14 13:20:53

Aaaaaand Vettel's stopped again.

Frettchen Wed 19-Feb-14 13:38:13

Unbelievable - I pop out to get lunch and miss not one but two red flags!

Bad day to be driving a Renault-powered car.

StyleOverSubstance Wed 19-Feb-14 18:52:28

Yayyyyy! Good to see you all back again!

Eau ha, ha!! love that - Seb's done a lap - in the car or on foot.
Who would have thought it eh? After their domination of the last few years, they appear to be really struggling with both power train and car. Wonder if it is going to be a sign of things to come or if there is an element of sandbagging going on. The clock is ticking........ season starts next month........

Have been watching the BBC live thread on and off through the day with interest. Think this season is going to be a really interesting one - despite some of the 'mickey mouse' rules like the penalty points and the double points.......

StyleOverSubstance Thu 20-Feb-14 10:36:21

Disappointed watching the Sky Coverage last night - DH and I settled down to watch the two mini programmes and the day 1 coverage consisted of a chat with Dan Ricciardo/Johnny Herbert from last year about the Bahrain circuit and some other dribs and drabs of mini programmes before the start of #ask crofty came on. Checked programme info and that said it was the updates of day 1, but we couldn't find anything anywhere so had to settle for just watching the #ask crofty programme, which is not a patch on Teds Notebook. Have set planner for it again when it is repeated today, so will see what happens then. Good thing I was using the good old Beebs live text to keep up with news. Am just about to go back onto it to see what the outcome of Mr E's court case is, as it will influence the outcome of the next case greatly, apparently.

Frettchen Thu 20-Feb-14 11:04:51

My favourite comment on the BBC coverage this morning is this;

The Red Bull mechanics are clearly still erring on the side of caution. Sebastian Vettel returns to the pits and as he does so there are one or two mechanics waiting with fire extinguishers tentatively aimed at the rear.

I'm picturing it as a comedy routine! Actually, it reminds me of a moment in the first Iron Man film where he's just re-making the suit and his robot things are stood by, fire extinguishers at the ready. <outs self as a total geek>

StyleOverSubstance Thu 20-Feb-14 11:08:58

Court case decided in Mr E's favour - so that puts things in a more favourable light for him for the next round of cases!.

YY Fretchen RB mechanics with fire extinguishers made me smile too!! Suspect RB will be getting on to the errant fire truck driver from last seasons race and asking him if he would mind driving round all the circuits this year (officially) - 'follow that car!!'........ tee hee.

Frettchen Thu 20-Feb-14 11:31:43

That or their big delivery this morning included a sprinkler system to be fitted into the car. We'll see Seb getting a long run in, trailing a spray of water.

The Ecclestone verdict is very interesting. Constantin Medien are going to appeal, but assuming that fails, it's got to have an impact on April's court case.

Frettchen Thu 20-Feb-14 11:35:27

Also, what's this Mercedes tweet all about?

We’ve got another surprise for you today. Save the time.. 15.30 (Bahrain), 12.30pm UK time. @LewisHamilton fans you’re going to like this…

Frettchen Thu 20-Feb-14 12:21:19

Oh, it's just a Q&A session... I'd expected something more.

StyleOverSubstance Thu 20-Feb-14 12:31:00

is that all??? was hanging around waiting to see if was something interesting - y'know, like Lewis is getting a new haircut/dog/earring etc.............

EauRouge Thu 20-Feb-14 12:33:35

Is this going to be one of those 'if you were an animal, what flavour biscuit would you be?' Q&A sessions?

Frettchen Thu 20-Feb-14 12:40:52

Nope; they're just asking him F1-related questions, as far as I can tell. I'm half-tempted to log on to twitter just to ask him what his favourite biscuit is. Doubt they'd put that one to him though.

Frettchen Thu 20-Feb-14 12:42:23

I quite like that McLaren follow Mercedes on Twitter... I wonder whether there's a McLaren guy sat at a laptop somewhere, hastily noting down everything Mercedes every tweet, just in case they let anything slip.

StyleOverSubstance Fri 21-Feb-14 20:47:49

As long as they are not following Ferrari - we all know where that led to last time..............

Havent had chance to watch the Sky reports yet, but had the BBC text on all morning so kept dipping into to it to keep up with the progress. See JB has proposed to his gf Jessie, hope it is not a knee-jerk reaction to losing his dad and that really is what he wants as he does have a bit of a reputation as a serial monogamist .......

Think McLaren have got a future World Champion in their rookie Kevin - he knows the 'Mclaren' way, having come through the ranks and knows what is expected of him, but listening to him in various interviews, he seems to be the 'real deal'.

In fact, I think there are quite a few drivers this season who seem to have found their 'natural home', think Massa will thrive at Williams, Hulkenberg is doing well with SFI (although still cant believe he hasn't been snapped up by one of the top teams yet but there is still time), Grosjean has really come of age this season and came across very well when interviewed by Crofty to name but a few. Just hope that Alonso can see sense and not cause trouble at Ferrari by trying to play mind games as that pairing, if they get a good car this season, could be formidable. Think Magnussen is going to give JB the kick up the pants he needs - if the sun, moon and stars are in their correct alignment and all is well in Jenson world, he is pretty much untouchable and guaranteed a win. Lewis needs to get out of 'rapper-Lewis' or 'celeb-Lewis' mode and get a grip - time is running out for him and he cant live indefinitely on the glory of winning one world championship several years ago, he needs to get his head around being a racing driver and start putting the time in.

Don't particularly like the sound of the new engines - electric 'whine' particularly noticeable on deceleration/braking where you can hear the electric motor cut in as power unit harvests energy, but suppose I will get used to it. At least there will be a bit more excitement this season as with reliability thrown into the mix and the drivers having a lot more to think about whilst they adapt to the way the new cars operate it will take some time before any sort of pattern emerges I suspect. Still prefer the 80s turbos though - MP4/4............ now that was magical..........

EauRouge Sat 22-Feb-14 08:53:08

I'm hoping to see the Hulk at Ferrari next season, I can't see the Alonso/Raikkonen partnership lasting.

Rosberg's looking good so far today.

I know what you mean about Lewis, he does seem to act like he wins more than he actually does. He's a good driver but he needs to work a bit harder, especially since Rosberg seems to be getting better and better.

I've heard Massa complaining about the engine noise saying that the drivers can't hear it properly once their earplugs are in.

StyleOverSubstance Sat 22-Feb-14 12:00:38

Renault powered teams are definitely at the bottom of the pile with this latest test and for Red Bull, it has been compounded by design issues. Ferrari seems to need the least cooling, Mercedes in the middle and Renault lots, but interesting to read Pat Symonds explanation of why he thinks Renault have been struggling. He reckons it goes back to when there was an engine freeze on the V8s and Renault significantly downsized their sports division and lost valuable staff and now with this massive change, haven't had the resources to throw at developing the new engine technology.

Think it will come good in the end, but will take time and massive effort to do so - so maybe that was why the double points has been proposed towards the end of the season - as that should compensate for some teams having a poor start and will make more opportunities for more drivers to regain points. Although it could be argued that those that did get it right (particularly Mercedes) are then penalised later in the season.

StyleOverSubstance Sat 22-Feb-14 12:12:34

Meant to post this before, but kept forgetting - anyway, better late than never.

With the complicated power train the cars now have, any damage sustained in practice or gearbox changes or other repairs before or during practices, qualy or a race is going to be a mega job to sort out - so wondering what will be put in place to allow for this as it is certainly within the realms of possibility that each team is going to be faced with this happening at least once during the season. So, if problem in practice, qualy affected, or problem in qualy, race affected by the huge time factor involved in accessing parts of the car or changing something in a very complicated system. Obviously will take longer now as the whole thing is 'new' but even allowing for teams becoming more familiar with systems and becoming quicker, it is still a much more complicated process than before.

also Happy Birthday to Niki Lauda

StyleOverSubstance Sun 23-Feb-14 11:04:10

bump!

EauRouge Sun 23-Feb-14 14:02:18

Rosberg says it's too early back Merc as favourites. They're not looking too shabby though, are they. I think the other teams will be playing catch up for the first few races at least.

StyleOverSubstance Sun 23-Feb-14 16:48:01

Hmmm, in one sense he is right - but would say that they are certainly in with a better chance than most at this stage having managed to complete a goodly number of laps/tests on new system. A lot of the other teams will be finding out some of the problems they have already found on race weekends, so would say that they are definitely ahead of the game at the moment and need to capitalise on it while they can - especially if the silly rule of double points is applied to the last 3 races.

Next thing is, they will be going back to the early days of racing, when the drivers had to run across the paddock to their cars, get in and then drive off......... except with a twist - Mr E will probably insist that they run the first lap of the circuit. You may laugh, but I think the old man is going a little doolally (thinking of the revolving door incident recently, where he 'forgot' to get out inside the building).

StyleOverSubstance Mon 24-Feb-14 12:49:00

Latest Schumi news is that Docs are not continuing with waking up process and have put things on 'hold'. Not sure how true this latest article is as not an 'official' report through his manager. Massa visited and said he thought he saw movement as he was talking to Schumi, and then there is the news that cyclist injured by Schumi's rental car last year. Wondering if the journos are trying to provoke some sort of reaction from the family as news is sketchy to say the least.

Also in the news - Susie Wolff to be driving in some practice sessions for Williams. No doubt prompted by the news of Silvestro's signing at Sauber and not wanting their thunder stolen by another team (and not mentioning the fact that Ms Wolff is married to a certain Mr Wolff from Mercedes; Williams now have Mercedes engines; aforementioned Mr Wolff is Williams shareholder............ cynical, moi???)

EauRouge Mon 24-Feb-14 12:58:50

It'll be interesting to see her do a few laps. I'm reserving judgement until then but IIRC she wasn't too impressive last time. It wouldn't be the first time that someone scored a job they didn't really deserve because of family connections <coughRalfSchumachercough>

Got my copy of F1 Racing in the post this morning. Getting really excited now reading all the season preview stuff!

StyleOverSubstance Mon 24-Feb-14 13:52:51

Saw SW on that documentary made by her brother about her racing career and was not impressed. I think part of the reason I cant take her seriously is that she rarely misses an opportunity when doing these sort of interviews to wear heavy panda-eyes make up and have her hair in that windswept style and wears either no clothes or tarty clothes for part of the photo shoot - basically ends up more like a modelling assignment shoot. She had a brief foray into presenting at one of the races, but she basically strikes me as being 'decorative' rather than 'serious'. Saubers signing looks more 'the business'. Sorry, not like me not to support fellow womenkind in a very male orientated world, but I just don't really like her.

EauRouge Mon 24-Feb-14 14:00:37

I expect she's under a lot of pressure to dress a certain way and make the most of her looks (even though a lot of the male drivers are fuck ugly and no one cares about that).

I'm excited to see how good Silvestro is in an F1 car.

StyleOverSubstance Mon 24-Feb-14 14:04:11

Appreciate that may be the case, but would prefer she stood out from the crowd because of her talent in the car rather than her choice of clothes!!

Agree about Silvestro - could be the start of women in F1 as a driver

EauRouge Mon 24-Feb-14 14:08:44

I hope so! She's 25 though so she'd have to get a drive soon. Hopefully this will open the door for other women drivers and inspire more girls to go karting- that's where it needs to start, a bigger pool of talent will result in more choice for F1 teams.

I'd take my girls karting but I'm too poor grin DD1 will have to settle for riding her scooter super-fast and shouting "I'm Mike-o Schumacher!"

StyleOverSubstance Mon 24-Feb-14 14:37:28

aahh bless - got a lovely mental picture of little girl whizzing round on scooter!

Cant wait for next test in Bahrain - see what progress has been made and then that's it - season starts.......... Don't agree with the engine freeze they are talking about for this years. To my mind with all the new technologies, I think it would be better to carry on the development, but I suppose the associated costs for smaller teams would be too much to bear, whereas the bigger teams would just factor it in under their development budget without too much stress.

EauRouge Tue 25-Feb-14 10:56:21

Some of the best news so far; Smedley and Massa together again. grin

StyleOverSubstance Tue 25-Feb-14 12:09:57

like horse and carriage aren't they - can't have one without the other! Was looking for RS at last test, but didn't see him hovering around Williams garage, presumed 'gardening leave' would have finished around now.

Think Williams is a good place to be at the moment, nice group of people in terms of knowledge, temperament and experience of F1, so am hoping it will be the start of their rise up the mid-field teams instead of languishing at the bottom.

EauRouge Thu 27-Feb-14 08:54:09

The Red Bull is looking a bit better today, Ricciardo was a tenth off Rosberg. The Force India's looking pretty good too.

StyleOverSubstance Thu 27-Feb-14 09:18:50

McLaren have announced that Ayrton Senna's MP4/4 is going to Imola as part of the 20th Anniversary commemoration of Senna's life. Apparently there is going to be a special event there from 1st to 4th May, with members of family there, pictures from family archives and all sorts of other activities. MP4/4 will also be going to Australia - presume it will also be at Goodwood as they are supposed to be hosting a special 20th Anniversary celebration of Senna during the Festival.

It is 10 years since Imola dropped off the F1 calendar and there have been rumblings about it being reinstated, but a lot of people have a negative association with it because of Senna's death, so although it is an excellent 'old school' circuit, Tamburello and its associations aside, it is still undecided. I have a real love/hate relationship with it for exactly those reasons - I will never forget that weekend, it was one of the blackest in motorsport....... Such a shame the solution to the Tamburello corner wasn't done sooner..... concrete is too unforgiving at speed.

I often wonder how Adrian Newey feels about it all - he has had much success over his career, but it was the car he designed that Senna died in, I don't think that would ever leave you. He obviously learnt a lesson from it as if you look at the impact Sebs car took in Brazil last year and survived to finish the race compared to (ironically) Bruno Senna's Williams which was out of the race, safety is one of his priorities - as one of the commentators said 'they build them strong in Milton Keynes'. Same with Frank Williams, wonder how he will feel about having all the attention on Williams again, but associated with that loss....

EauRouge Thu 27-Feb-14 09:27:37

I can't believe it's been 20 years, I remember being so upset about it. I'm glad those days seem to be behind us, it amazes me the smashes drivers can get in now and walk away without a scratch.

StyleOverSubstance Thu 27-Feb-14 09:33:53

Mark Webber's Valencia accident and Fernando Alonso's Spa incident spring to mind of recent times - could have been a very different outcome not that long ago...........

Have got the Beeb live text on - so will be dipping into it as the day progresses to keep up with progress of teams. Mercedes are definitely looking the favourites at the moment, but still feel that it will be unknown territory and we could end up with a number of different winners over the season. Practice time extended by half an hour a day, which I am sure everyone will be grateful for as the clock is well and truly ticking now. Excited? You bet!!!

EauRouge Thu 27-Feb-14 10:35:00

And Kubica's barrel roll in Canada 2007(?)

This time of year is so confusing for me, it takes me at least 4 races before I can remember which team everyone is driving for this season.

StyleOverSubstance Thu 27-Feb-14 10:49:12

YY - will be very confused seeing Kimi in Red overalls instead of the black and gold........ Also cant get used to seeing Pastor on the Lotus....... then Massa in Williams blue instead of wearing red overalls, (wonder if he will end up in the wrong box in the pitlane like Hamilton did with McLaren when he should have been at Mercedes) as after so many years at Ferrari, old habits will surely die hard!

Had forgotten about Kubica - that was a pretty nasty one too.

StyleOverSubstance Thu 27-Feb-14 10:50:04

should have said Pastor 'written' on the Lotus - dropping verbs again!

StyleOverSubstance Fri 28-Feb-14 10:52:14

Poor Pastor! Apparently he is a little upset that his new brum brum doesn't go as quickly as some of the other brum brums - cos the Renault engine isn't as good as last years........ Think he is a little upset now that he has left Williams - who are looking very strong at the moment with their new line up of engine, car and personnel, that he has well and truly burnt his bridges there. Last years car was awful and I have a strange feeling they did it on purpose to get rid of him and had been pocketing the PDVSA money to invest in this season as the new and improved Willams set up looks very sweet indeed.

EauRouge Fri 28-Feb-14 13:11:13

I have zero sympathy for him grin

StyleOverSubstance Fri 28-Feb-14 15:39:25

At least some of the madness has ended - the double points for the last three races has been officially knocked on the head.

FOTA is no more - Martin Whitmarsh was, I seem to remember, the last chairman of the group and he resigned last season.

Re: Martin Whitmarsh, there was an interesting comment on the Beeb's site that he had been saying for the last two seasons that he knew Ron Dennis wanted him out and although a job was in the pipeline somewhere else in the organisation, he wasn't unduly bothered about taking it. He apparently hasn't been back to the MTC since he was ousted, so rumour is that he was approached by Lotus some time ago as a replacement but turned it down and that the only other options available were Mercedes or Ferrari as anything else would be classed as a step down. Said he would need to decide soon if he wanted to stay in F1 to stay 'relevant' because of all the changes, but that he wasn't short of a bob or two, so no pressure to find something else. I think Ron has basically been biding his time after the Ferrari-gate scandal and always had in mind that he would return and saw Whitmarsh's role as 'minding the shop' until the time was right for his return.

Red Bull, it would appear, still have a lot of catch-up to do - as Ted said in his Sky Notebook Programme last night - Mark Webber chose the right time to leave. No fool is he? Will still miss Wibbah, calls a spade a spade and plays fair. Midfield teams are doing surprisingly well considering the massive changes they have had to accommodate and their relatively modest budgets - think this season is going to be epic!

EauRouge Fri 28-Feb-14 16:19:20

Very interesting Whitmarsh rumours. I can well believe that version.

I'll miss Wibbah too, so many of the drivers are boring corporate drones now. He definitely got out at the right time though! I bet he's pissing himself laughing.

Did you see this on Sniff Petrol?

StyleOverSubstance Fri 28-Feb-14 16:29:25

Sniff Petrol article - hilaire! (to quote Miranda)

MW will still have involvement with RBR through other commitments and as far as I know, is still involved with Christian Horners other racing outfit, so will definitely know what is going on and will most definitely be finding it very funny indeed.

He has tweeted support for fellow Aussie Dan Ricciardo, which is really nice and I am sure much appreciated as even Dan hasn't been smiling much the last few weeks. He is probably thinking about McLaren and Sergio Perez in that he only got a year, when in reality, with the dog of a car they had been given, it would have been like trying to polish a turd to get anywhere near the podium, so he had little opportunity to show his talent.

EauRouge Sat 01-Mar-14 08:07:09

Interview with Eric Boullier- another one who moved at just the right time!

EauRouge Sat 01-Mar-14 08:38:29

8.25- Vettel leaves the pits.
8.30- Vettel causes the session to be red flagged.

Oh dear grin

StyleOverSubstance Sat 01-Mar-14 11:15:44

Red Bull seem to have taken over from McLaren this year in having such a bad car they would do better using last years model - except that this year they really, really cant. I know Red Bull are usually masters of sandbagging so no-one knows where they are on the grid, but this car is looking beyond redemption. Mark Webber must be sat there thinking its karma, mate, karma.

Did you see the piece Red Bull put out re the supposed hissy fit Seb had in Jerez. Very funny and the last paragraph was a corker!!

StyleOverSubstance Sat 01-Mar-14 20:00:01

Not. One. Single. Lap. Not a one! Red Bull must be bricking it at the mo - with so many changes to cars, they need to get as much mileage as they can and it is just not working for them. I know they have always been masters of catch up in the past and haven't always started the season with the best package, but it is going to be incredibly hard this year to do the same. Renault engine is reckoned to be ok and will be on the pace by some of the oft quoted 'insiders' - so if they can get the car design right to keep engine cool, then things could come good again.

For once, Adrian Newey's pet topic of aero isn't the driving (pardon the pun) force of design and I suspect he is struggling with the concept of having to accommodate a temperamental power train. Maybe this will be the year that makes him decide enough is enough and he will take Ben Ainslie up on his offer to design racing yachts and leave F1... Suspect Christian Horner is going to be Mr E's replacement, so Red Bull may well find themselves ringing a certain Mr Whitmarsh to ask if he is free to join them.............. stranger things have happened!!

Still standing by my prediction that Williams are going to be the 'dark horse' this year. Cant wait for season to begin.

EauRouge Sat 01-Mar-14 20:22:32

I can't believe they didn't even manage one lap. Wow.

StyleOverSubstance Sun 02-Mar-14 00:15:50

Don't think they can believe it either!! they didn't have a bad day yesterday, Ricciardo got a good few laps under his belt, so I think they were really hoping to build on that success, but it was not to be. Mid field teams seem to be doing really well - would be great to see them scoring some significant points at the start of the season. Lower placed back markers not too shabby either - maybe Caterham and Marrussia will break their duck!!

StyleOverSubstance Sun 02-Mar-14 00:18:18

New F1 Show starts on Friday - and there is a classic race shown afterwards, voted for by viewers, so go onto sky website to see the options available (think they do about 5 per week to chose from) from now until end of November. Will be watching BBC live text again tomorrow, dipping into see how things are going.

EauRouge Tue 11-Mar-14 09:04:58

Sounds like Hamilton is the favourite for this season. We'll see how things look on Saturday!

In other news, Fangio is still the best driver ever.

Still no news about Schumi sad

StyleOverSubstance Fri 14-Mar-14 10:35:26

Am settling down to watch practices now that I have done my motherly duty of dropping off various children at various schools and attended assembly which DCs class did a special performance in. Blissss. Hot cup of tea in hand, I go to enjoy the start of the new season...............

90sthrowback Sat 15-Mar-14 14:41:01

Just getting myself onto this thread ahead of watching quali on the beeb

magimedi Sat 15-Mar-14 16:48:34

Is this the only thread running about this year's F1?

Mighty quiet, isn't it?

Can someone link me if there is another thread - I've had a search & can't see anything.

EauRouge Sat 15-Mar-14 17:16:32

Good point, this one is nearly all stuff about last year. Started a new one right here.

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