Tour de France 2013

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Panonabike Sat 29-Jun-13 13:43:16

Are we having a spin on Le Tour this year? They are half way across Corsica already, and Cav and Froome are settled in. Cav's looking for a stage win.

Panonabike Sat 29-Jun-13 13:45:44

btw it's on Eurosport live and ITV will have highlights later on (and poss some live as well?)
If anyone is a bit confused by it all there is usually some well-informed soul around to help out.

YellowJersey Sat 29-Jun-13 13:49:02

Ooh good, I was hoping someone would start a Tour de France thread.

Gives me a chance to try out my new nickname <twirls>.

I'll be watching later on Sky+ when DH comes home. Got Wimbledon on at the moment tennis.

I think Froome has a great chance, he's in brilliant form. Go Cav for the yellow jersey today!

Panonabike Sat 29-Jun-13 13:51:15

Tres chic!

YellowJersey Sat 29-Jun-13 13:52:40

Merci beaucoup grin!

Panonabike Sat 29-Jun-13 13:54:32

<have asked HQ to move the thread to Chat for eg - more likely to catch more traffic and hopefully attract folks who are curious and perhaps aren't likely to visit Sports..>

YellowJersey Sat 29-Jun-13 13:55:19

Good idea.

Abzs Sat 29-Jun-13 13:58:39

Watching live on itv4. Currently rather enamoured of Lemoine's green socks (breakaway, Sojasun).

prettybird Sat 29-Jun-13 13:58:54

It's on ITV4 live all day today. smile

that's the next 3 weeks spare time accounted for

You can subscribe to Eurosport for £2.99/month (and you only need to pay for it in the months there's something you want to watch) so that you can watch it on-line.

'Twas great when I booked a week in Greece last year which coincided with the last week of Le Tour. grin

Panonabike Sat 29-Jun-13 14:00:57

Update - peleton going really slooow, all having a chat with each other. Commentators are v bored.grin

Panonabike Sat 29-Jun-13 14:03:14

Switched to ITV4. I want the accordian music as a ring tone.

Gigondas Sat 29-Jun-13 14:07:12

I have even forked out 3.99 so can watch it on iPad. I am enjoying Paul and Phil doing their usual eke out of saying not much til something Happens.

Want cav to win today and go into yellow -cant believe with all his stages hasn't worn yellow.

Panonabike Sat 29-Jun-13 14:16:23

Jens Voight - good one to follow on twitter - tweets about his kids and the dog. <joins commentators in talking about anything but cycling..>

Panonabike Sat 29-Jun-13 14:30:17

Wow. Night time finish in Paris!

Panonabike Sat 29-Jun-13 15:40:50

Moving a bit now. Anyone clicked on google?

pickledpeleton Sat 29-Jun-13 16:02:24

Oh I'm so pleased I found this thread - I love watching the tour highlights in an evening! Go Go Cav!!

Panonabike Sat 29-Jun-13 16:19:37

Sacre bleu!!

Abzs Sat 29-Jun-13 16:19:38

Well. That was different!

Gigondas Sat 29-Jun-13 16:20:44

Turned into a bit of A mess with bus debacle, crashes and confusion plus no yellow jersey for cav sad. Nice for kittel but its a bit of a hollow victory as no favourites to contest it.

prettybird Sat 29-Jun-13 16:28:24

Wonder whether the confusion actually contributed to the crash. The degree of concentration required to cycle in those bunches must surely have been compromised with the conflicting instructions coming through on the race radio.

Yikes - what a mess. Looking forward to the Orica tweets!

Griepel looked like thunder when he came over the line.

I am twitchy about the Tour this year - no obvious fave to support. It'll be odd to watch it without a front-runner to cheer for - but this is an extraordinary start.

I also want to follow the Giro Rosa which starts tomorrow - the women just get ignored.

Gigondas Sat 29-Jun-13 16:47:48

Orica not answering tweets as so many enquiries.

The change of finish will have played a part. Poor geraint Thomas hurt in crash.

Panonabike Sat 29-Jun-13 17:38:09

Just extraordinnaire! Yes the info re finish change would have been astonishing to the peleton, at least those who heard of it. And bunching so much at speed as no-one was putting their foot down too.

prettybird Sat 29-Jun-13 17:54:43

Interesting that Kittel said he hadn't heard that the finish had been changed and back again

So you'll have had some people in the peloton ramping up 'cos they thought the finish was at 3k, some people who'd ramped up but, having heard it had been changed back again, ramping back down, and others who were still racing to the original race plan confusedhmm. No wonder there was a crash.

Spoilt what should have been a great day's racing. And what a disappointment for Cav - he should at least have had the opportunity to race for the yellow jersey which he could uniquely have worn with the current British champion and former world champion stripes.

I watched him around Glasgow last Sunday and saw him whoosh past Stannard at the 100m mark to win. smile

YellowJersey Sun 30-Jun-13 00:18:25

I've just caught up with today's events - what a mess!

Agree the change of finish must have contributed to the crash, it would have been very confusing for the riders. The organisers should have made their minds up about where to finish the race & stuck to it.

Gutted for Cav that he didn't get to contest the sprint with the other main green jersey rivals.

Panonabike Sun 30-Jun-13 09:11:37

I know! Loved the look on the coach driver's face and his head sinking into his cradled hands. In Cycle New yesterday Cav was blaming the finish changes.

Mais, aujourd'hui c'est Le Etape Deux. smile, and into the hills. I was reading/heard that in stage 18 they have to go up Alp d'Huez twice. That will hurt.

HotheadPaisan Sun 30-Jun-13 09:46:33

I'll be in Cagnes sur Mer and Nice tomorrow and Tuesday for work, traffic is going to be bad I'm told smile

Will see if I catch any snippets, unlikely though.

ragged Sun 30-Jun-13 10:57:07

So grin to find this thread.
Cav said the confusion caused the final crash.
Cav is after the all time stage win record, though, that's his big aim, Green jersey is like icing on the cake. I guess Cav needs 3-5 wins this year to keep on track with his target.
I am so worried the Spaniards will nicely gang up on Froome like they did in last year's Vuelta (With Quintana swapped in for Nibali this time). I'm glad to see Andy Schleck is there, though. He always livens up a race. I only fancy him a little.

I wonder if Wiggins will aim for the Vuelta, now? 2nd in 2011(?)

Panonabike Sun 30-Jun-13 11:52:37

Hot am v envy of that. Hope you don't end up looking angry in the sun!
Out all day so it's CB and friend on the late show for me.

prettybird Sun 30-Jun-13 14:09:05

Had to pop out to my LBS (Local Bike Shop) yesterday after watching the stage (to sort out the spd shoes I'd got dh for his birthday). Asked the owner if he's seen any of that day's TdF - he answered, "No, and don't tell me what happened". I said he needed to watch it but no other information - so he then made all the guys in the shop (about 4 of them) switch off their Internet access! grin

I did feel sorry for to bus driver - he looked as if he wanted the ground to,open up and swallow him.

I'm loving the Corsican countryside - to be fair, most places look good with 197 Lycra clad cyclists hurtling past!

prettybird Sun 30-Jun-13 14:52:45

grin STDG.

Panonabike Sun 30-Jun-13 22:09:21

Crumbs that descent looked life-threatening! And Cav has a point doesn't he about the equalisation of points as well as times. If the times are made equal due to the extraordinary circs then everything else should be.

YellowJersey Sun 30-Jun-13 22:15:37

I thought the bus driver was very brave to be interviewed on TV. I suppose now he's done an interview the media will leave him alone.

Agree ragged it's good to see Andy Schleck back in action & I hope he is fit again & in form. He's had a lousy season so far. Was also glad that Tony Martin was back on his bike after his crash. The rumours of a broken collarbone were thankfully incorrect.

One of the things I like best about the TdeF (apart from the lovely lycra clad cyclists of course) is the scenery, and Corsica is so pretty. I love the sugar-almond coloured buildings. It's now on the places to go on holiday list.

RadioShack looked delighted with their win today, Bakelants did well to hang on at the sprint finish & looked so relieved at the end. Froome's little dig 10km out just because he could showed ominous intent.

What about the white dog running across the road!!! It could have caused another major pile up. Kirby & Kelly on Eurosport were speculating about the possibility of a wild boar interrupting the race, instead there was an uncontrolled dog. You'd think the owners would have the sense to keep it on a lead.

EndoplasmicReticulum Sun 30-Jun-13 22:29:55

Oooh, a Tour thread.

I am already over-excited about next year. (guess where I live!)

endoplasmic I am guessing that you might not live too far away from me!!

We are now fully booked in our spare room for next year, two tents in the garden and the girls will have to double-up for the weekend. Both DH and I are signed up to be Tour-makers - we'll argue about who does what when we know if we'll be needed!

Are you Sky-riding next weekend?

yy about the dog. Both DH and I were grabbing cushions to hide behind - especially when the owner made a start across the road to grab it - just as the main body of the peleton swept into view.

Nice to see a little swagger from Froome. I hope it all amounts to something in 3 weeks time. I am very sad about Geraint, though. I hope he is OK.

Oooh! Love the tour. We're going to be in France in mid July and planning to head to the Ventoux for the stage there. V exciting!

YellowJersey Sun 30-Jun-13 23:51:40

"G" was given the all-clear I believe, he was fortunate after that tumble.

So envious of anyone who'll get the chance to see some of the Tour, and of those of you who'll be in Yorkshire next year.

In a few years time when we get rid of the kids DH & I want to buy a camper van & follow the Tour around France. We'd love that. Although you probably see very little when you are actually there - blink & you miss the action.

mojitomo Mon 01-Jul-13 00:34:18

just love the tour - currently holidaying in devon and watching it on sky go. would love to follow it round France but hoping to be at the grand depart next year smile

We went a few years ago too. I was heavily pregnant, and we stood by a road side for about 4 hours, and they were through in about 20 seconds!! Hence why we're doing a mountain stage this time. smile Atmosphere was great thought - the sponsorships caravan comes through first, and there's music, freebies, etc. quite an experience....

We have been to the run in to Paris, although you can't get anywhere near the Champs without a ticket. As Caspar says the build up is all part of the event. DH went to the TT start in London a few years back and said it was awesome. THe best bit was being able to stroll around and watch the riders warming up, he said. Sadly DD1 was tiny at the time and I couldn't face the crowds with her. I am a bit gutted that there is no TT prologue out of Leeds as it will make for a very different sort of start. However, we'll be heading for the hillier sections and make the most of it.

Yellow - that is our plan for our first year of retirement!

BikeRunSki Mon 01-Jul-13 07:58:34

DO you think that Jans Banklens (sp???) has woken up this morning (jabbed to hell no doubt) thinking "Did I really win the TdF yesterday? Was that really me? Me....?

Duchess and Endoplasmic - See you in Leeds!!!!! And Holme Moss, and the bits in between. Maybe we need a special MN yellow scarf? grin

Seeing the Tour is fabulous, but quick. We went to Paris about 10 years ago to see Armstrong's 5th win. The final stage is excellent because they do 8 laps of the Champs D'Ellysee (sp?) so you grab your railing early and see all the action over and over (and possibly go and nose in Louis Vuitton) and pop into cafes for coffee and baguettes. The Time Trial in Monaco 4 years ago was fabulous too, then we stayed nearby and saw the first stage too.

Gigondas Mon 01-Jul-13 08:00:59

I think he said he was going to sleep in his yellow jersey bike run ski grin.

It is blink and you miss it on tour but soo worth it for atmosphere.

Panonabike Mon 01-Jul-13 08:45:48

I'd spent 4 hours waiting at the stage end at Gap, in the south, in the year the temps went up tp 45 degrees - 2003. It was tres warm but worth it -the whole nation descends on one tiny town for the day, then moves on.

we are missing lostinwales - she is a Tour regular.

TheFuzz Mon 01-Jul-13 09:12:03

David Millar only 1 second off GC, which ain't bad. He's even mixed it up in the sprinting as well. Cav won't have much chance at a win in next few days until the stages are flatter, he isn't a climber.

Haven't been able to get into this yet so far, but hoping I can settle into my routine of watching the highlights every evening. Corsica did look so beautiful, but even without the bus getting stuck that first stage looked ready made for crashes with such narrow twisty roads.

I'll be cheering for Cav again, he'll be Mr Grumpy until he gets his first stage - does anyone know when the next stage with a sprint finish is?

<plans another MN cycling poem banner>

I loved seeing David M being a sprinter! He was being as laconic and grumpy as ever in the post-race interview when they realised he had just missed out on the Maillot Jaune.

We went to see a stage of the Tour in 2010 - near Draguignan (we think it is going the same way this year) - it was a great day, and I would do it again in a heartbeat.

In fact I would love to follow the Tour in one of those camper vans (a biggish, luxury one, with wifi so I can MN). Maybe if I win the lottery...

ChairmanWow Mon 01-Jul-13 15:59:54

Yay, a TDF thread. Have just watched today's finish. Keeping quiet!

I loved Bakelants interview afterwards. He was in a state of disbelief, bless him. YY to the beauty of Corsica. Sad that they're leaving.

For me, it's Cav who excites me most. He is so unbelievably powerful when he switches it on. I'm not a Froome fan I'm afraid. He's a bit of a robot for me. Reserving judgement on who I want for GC.

Looking forward to hanging out on here over the next few weeks!

DorisShutt Mon 01-Jul-13 16:17:24

Can I just run in (cycle?!) and yelp in excitement as at this time next week, I'll be hunting round St Nazaire on the rest day to try to find a cyclist or two... And then watching it on Tuesday... <squeeeeeee>

FriskyMare Mon 01-Jul-13 16:25:13

Have nothing of great importance to say other than...
<screams> CAV!!!

I quite like Cav. grin

EndoplasmicReticulum Mon 01-Jul-13 20:54:42

I live not too far from the finish of the first day (next year). Am trying to work out whether to brave the crowds and the hanging about waiting though, as I have a son who can't wait for anything and he will be a nightmare.

Although might be worth it to see Cav whooshing past everyone else along the Stray.

Will also be able to go watch on the second stage.

Haven't watched todays yet, I record the highlights for when children are in bed.

Duchess no Sky Ride for me, as although I have watched the Tour since the 80s I sadly can't ride a bike myself.

YellowJersey Mon 01-Jul-13 22:38:16

Well that was an exciting finish! Good for Simon Gerrans, the stage by less than half a wheel. Glad he held off Peter Sagan, I'm not a Sagan fan at all.

Not great news about Geraint Thomas. He's determined to carry on, but not sure how long he'll be able to with a fractured pelvis.

Roll on the team time trial tomorrow.

ChairmanWow Mon 01-Jul-13 23:16:53

Poor Geraint. I can't see him lasting the week. But he's young and a great hope for the future. Shows how totally rock hard these guys are though - riding for two days on a fractured fecking pelvis. Jeez. Reckon I might stop whingeing about having a cold now!

Next year - I'm not a million miles away either. Going to see if I can get a gang together camping somewhere we can catch both Yorks stages.

DorisShutt Tue 02-Jul-13 07:00:41

Next year... off to visit PIL I think wink

TheFuzz Tue 02-Jul-13 11:06:35

David Millar should be in yellow today with the Garmin squad in the TTT.

ChairmanWow - did you see Geraint going to the medic's car for treatment part way through yesterday's stage - apparently there is an aerosol spray that treats fractured pelvises!! It must be magic.

Fingers crossed that David Millar gets yellow today.

IndridCold Tue 02-Jul-13 12:04:41

Agree about Sagan! I really want to like him as he is a formidable rider, and seems like a nice boy, but I just can't warm to him.

Jan Bakelents, on the other hand, I'm now a fan and will be interested to see how/if he develops from here. I just loved his win on Sunday - everyone watching must have thought that the bunch would catch him, but he just kept on pedalling and he did it!! He was very sweet in the interviews afterwards too < shallow >.

We are hoping to go the Brittany stage this year, and I am insanely excited about it - even though I know they will pass us in a flash.

YellowJersey Tue 02-Jul-13 12:28:41

I'm at work so am recording the race to watch it tonight. Just sneaked on here for a quick catch up smile.

Go Garmin & David Millar in the TTT! I think they will really go for the leader's jersey today & they have a great chance. DH, who is Irish, is hoping for good things from Dan Martin later on in the Tour.

Jan Bakelants - I'm a new fan as well.

I'm insanely jealous of all of you who will get to see a stage or two! We are in Ireland but have family in NW England so we might see if we can arrange a visit to coincide with the Yorkshire stages next year.

ChairmanWow Tue 02-Jul-13 13:22:04

Magic spray for fractured pelvises. Love it! The pelv-o-matic! Love G a bit. He seems like such a nice boy.

Excited about the prospect of Millar in yellow. He's a really interesting guy and I loved his book.

I enjoyed his book too Chair - if I may call you that.

I had an orgy of bike-related reading after Christmas and read Brad's autobiog, followed by Tyler Hamilton's book followed by David Millar's - all back to back. They added up into a fascinating picture of the sport.

Millar was very reflective, I thought. He was clearly adrift from such a young age and had no-one to anchor him or mentor him at vital stages of his life. I know Sky gets criticised for being overly structured but if teams like that can support and nurture their young riders rather than the old system of "sort out your own training and you'd better do well when we enter you in a race", then that has to help combat the drugs culture.

He is one of very few to make a full admission and then work hard on rehabilitation - of both himself and the sport.

I like cycling for being a thinking sport as well as a super-human fitness one.

I hope Sagan is just a brash testosterone-fuelled callow youth but I can't warm to him either. Time will tell.

LostInWales Tue 02-Jul-13 13:32:35

Found you! Phew, I knew there would be a thread somewhere. Back in a mo' just going to catch up on the thread.

LostInWales Tue 02-Jul-13 13:46:52

Panon grin how lovely to be missed. Sorry, my lovely, lovely bil (who we were with at the top of the Alpe d'Huez two years ago for the tour) has been very poorly and it's distracting me from my usual tour frenzy.

I was gutted for Cav but then that's always the way with the tour isn't it. A stage will look like it has a riders name all over it then a crash, or a dog or just no legs and it all changes. I was quite pleased for the riders who won stages 1 and 2 though, they were just so happy and surprised. Lets get the first week out of the way and they will all settle a bit.

G is such a nutter, I can't imagine what he thinks he is doing, it must hurt so much, I think he was quoted saying something like 'I've worked so hard to get to the tour in great shape I'm not stopping now even if my mum doesn't want me to do it'! grin I LOVE tour cyclists.

Where did that fabulous ode to Brad get to?

LostInWales Tue 02-Jul-13 13:48:54

I really enjoyed Farrar's book and Wiggins' Duchess haven't read Millar's yet. My next one is going to be Charlie Wegelius' memoir of being a domestique. Think I might download that for tonight.

prettybird Tue 02-Jul-13 14:07:00

Ds (12 and a tour geek) likes Sagan but I just can't warm to him for some reason. There's an arrogance about him that I just don't like that imho goes beyond the arrogance of youth.

If anyone wants to know anything about the Tour, just ask and I can get ds to answer. He is such a cycling geek! grin

Fortunately, school finished last week, so he is able to spend every day watching it! (in between cycle rides of course! wink)

I sent you a pm, pretty bird - about the final stage.

LostInWales Tue 02-Jul-13 14:53:50

Ooooh, TTT, here we go, why oh why do team Sky have to be coming in for the finish at exactly the time I have to pick up DS3?

footphobic Tue 02-Jul-13 14:56:02

Tour fans geeks here too.

OPQS just posted a very quick time, pleased to see this especially as Tony Martin must surely still be very sore. Wonder if it will hold or if Sky or Garmin can do better.

Have DS1 and DD1 at home now as exams and college finished, so I can get them to do the afternoon school run grin while I sit on my arse and watch TdF

LostInWales Tue 02-Jul-13 14:59:02

I think I might be setting a few records myself for school pick up this afternoon wink. I am sitting here wincing on G's behalf. How that can't make a huge difference to Sky today I don't know.

soda1234 Tue 02-Jul-13 15:06:08

Cycling "widow" here. DH was in Nice on Sunday and rode the TT course (in 39 mins, not bad for a 56 year old!) it's lovely to be able to see where he rode on the TV.
He is off to Annecy on Thursday to ride the etape on Sunday, that will be more of a challenge!

footphobic Tue 02-Jul-13 15:16:34

Phil Liggett's varying pronunciations of rider names is amusing me, he always does it. Particularly with Sagan...I think there were about 5 or 6 variations yesterday . grin

LostInWales Tue 02-Jul-13 15:33:42

Being Welsh I have to say hearing everyone trying to pronounce Geraint makes me laugh. No wonder they shortened it to 'G'. Fair play though as far as I can tell from DS1 they put in a good time (once he'd tried to work out whether they were 2 seconds faster or slower than OPQLRSPMTUY or whatever they are called this week)

LostInWales Tue 02-Jul-13 15:43:02

I know this is from last years Vuelta but it always makes me smile Orica Greenedge's fabulous pop video

Panonabike Tue 02-Jul-13 16:43:34

greetings lostinwales grin

There's still a couple of escapees the MN Peleton hasn't chased down yet tho'. smile

ChairmanWow Tue 02-Jul-13 19:12:14

duchess, if I can use your formal title, I really fancy Hamilton's book. Millar included some snippets about Armstrong, but I really want to read more about the whole US Postal scandal. Young baby and 2 yo at the mo, so reading is a luxury I either don't have time or am too tired for. It's on the list. I read Wiggo's account of last year's tour though not read his proper autobiog. I waver between being a big fan/questioning his commitment when he drops out of races he's not excelling in. But def prefer him to Froome.

lostinwales, sorry to hear of poorly bil. Hope it's not too serious. Phil Ligget is a bit all over the place with pretty much everyone's names and comes out with some rather odd stuff. However it's Gary Imlach who gets on my wick with his completely not witty banter and that deadpan delivery. Pundit wise I love the Ned 'n' Chris pairing. I followed them both on Twitter when I had time for such fripperies and they're really good friends and rather sweet about each other.

Rambling now. This cold that I'm not whingeing about is making me woozy. Highlights time! grin

Chair The Hamilton book is jaw-dropping. On the one hand, I have every sympathy with Nicole Cook's plea not to reward him by buying the book, but on the other, the account of Lance's behaviours are mind-boggling and utterly riveting. DH and I actually read sections aloud incredulously. Well worth a read when you have the time to appreciate the full horror.

Highlights time here too!

LostInWales Tue 02-Jul-13 22:07:06

Ah well, he had a bit of a silly accident playing rugby and broke his head. He's a poorly boy at the moment with pneumonia but there is always hope that we will get some of him back. Just hard when he was my TdF buddy and I can't text him all the time and discuss the alarming moment when I realised I didn't hate old bum face (Cadel Evans) any more. Still it does give me something to chat to him about when we visit him in hospital. Anyway, now I have you lot to chat to as well, so that makes life a lot better grin. I was very happy for Orica Greenedge today, I'm really enjoying a start to the tour where different people get to shine.

YellowJersey Tue 02-Jul-13 22:18:33

Tyler Hamilton's book was an interesting read, and it was fascinating to get the real inside story from someone who rode with Armstrong. I read Armstrong's book It's Not About The Bike years ago & might read it again now as a work of fiction! I have Brad's book waiting to be read, & it sounds like David Millar's is worth a read too.

Paul Kimmage's book Rough Ride is a interesting account of the struggles of a domestique trying to make it in the peleton. He had a tough time & only lasted a few years.

I can't get ITV4 here so it's Eurosport for us for the live coverage. Quite like the Carlton Kirby/Sean Kelly pairing. We get the Liggett/Sherwen highlights programme on Irish TV in the evening.

Great win for Orica GreenEdge today, and Team Sky are getting nicely into position. Hopefully Cav will get his chance at a stage win tomorrow.

LostInWales Tue 02-Jul-13 22:42:17

Poor Cav's not well. He was interviewed earlier and said he was dosed up on anti-biotics and starting to feel better now. As they said on ITV4 though he never normally fares well at the start of a tour anyway. Fingers crossed he gets some wins now, I was surprised Sagan was taken on the line yesterday.

Panonabike Tue 02-Jul-13 23:40:31

Loved it when Phil says to David M "so the racing starts tomorrow" and DM shot him a look and said "the racing started on Saturday."

yy - i LOVE David M. He is so dry.

I think it was Ned Boulting doing the interview though - Paul & Phil are both ex-riders (although Phil only at amateur level I think) and I doubt would have dismissed three days racing so lightly!!

I am very fond of Ned as well, I must add. He always looks shattered by the end of the Tour.

IndridCold Wed 03-Jul-13 10:27:42

The French have been retro testing samples from 1998 and have decided to publish the list of all the riders who tested positive. They want to do this during the last week of the Tour confused.

Still, I suppose it's good that they have to go back 15 years to get a proper doping scandal. While not problem free, cycling has come such a long way since then.

On a brighter note, looking forward to today's stage, through one of my favourite parts of France. My relatives, who live there, were complaining about being disrupted by the Tour virtually every year - I was very envy.

The stage that we saw followed a similar route to today's stage - we saw it near Draguignan. As I sit here, looking out at a cool, grey day in Scotland (albeit not a rainy one, which counts as a summer day here), I am very envy of everyone basking in the sun in the South of France, regardless of whether they are going to see the Tour go past or not.

Panonabike Wed 03-Jul-13 14:24:47

There's so many choices to be had for favorites. Cav for the green obv., want to see Millar do well, and the man that is G, and am liking Chavenel as well. Froome? He's probably suffering from the fact that he isn't Wiggo in my heart. Which isn't his fault...
And am really liking Orica-GreenEdge for no better reasons than for the embarassment of Stage One, AND lostinwales' Call Me Maybe video.

LostInWales Wed 03-Jul-13 16:32:59

I love that video grin and they seem like a very likeable bunch, plus the bus thing was fantastic just for the drivers expression.

About to be a sprint finish, I'm all nervous for Cav and hoping there isn't a crash.

LostInWales Wed 03-Jul-13 16:36:38

Is everyone waiting until later to watch the highlights show? I don't want to start posting about the result if I'm going to spoil things for everyone <sits patiently on her hands>

LostInWales Wed 03-Jul-13 16:39:22

Froome is just so hard to like though isn't he Panon? He's just a bit 'meh' although I am happy to change that opinion if he starts winning the tour wink that's not meh at all.

I'm enjoying watching today SDTG because in three weeks time we will hopefully be down there. Although to be fair it hasn't rained all day in Wales today, there may even have been some sun.

Intending to watch highlights tonight so will be hiding this until that's done!

EndoplasmicReticulum Wed 03-Jul-13 16:54:00

I watch highlights as at work during the day, also like to wait until children in bed so can watch in peace, without "mum, what is he doing? who is winning? Why has he fallen off? Can we watch Power Rangers instead this is boring?"

Will be late tonight as I have a school play to go to.

Panonabike Wed 03-Jul-13 17:14:46

yes it's tough isn't it? 'Talk about the events' or 'wait til everyone has seen the highlights'?
For me I don't mind. I work full time in the day usually, (this week is a rare exception) so rely on the highlights, BUT I know how to check the unintended 'spoiler' posts between getting home and seeing the prog.
It'd be silly to not post about events as they unfurl so I'd suggest that those watching in the day (envy) feel free to post and the rest of us exercise some forebearance and not look in until we are happy to.
Is this okay?

IndridCold Wed 03-Jul-13 17:18:18

I agree with Panonabike. I avoid this thread if I don't want to know the result.

Panonabike Wed 03-Jul-13 17:24:57

oh and if you tweet, following Jens Voight is a hoot. He tweets about the very mundane to the very 'experience' of road racing. <yes I know I've said this already, but hey!>

LostInWales Wed 03-Jul-13 17:34:21

I only follow twitter for the cyclists (and their girlfriends, such a shame we won't be treated to Wiggo's wife vs Froome's girlfriend this year), the community has really taken to it haven't they. I love Cancellara's tweets they are the best use of the mangled English language I have ever read.

Panonabike Wed 03-Jul-13 17:41:20

MrsWiggo v Froome's gal? shock I've missed all that! I usually tweet/follow about boring work stuff!

Sneaked back.....Cav's tweets are good. (But then I think everything about Cav is good!)

<breaks own rule about not sneaking on here until highlights have been viewed>

MrsWiggo v MichelleCound was THE highlight of last year's tour, Pan. They were at it hammer and tongs - and MrsFroomeToBe came out of it looking a touch deranged, if I may say so.

Love Jens Voigt - have you seen this? DH & I use it all the time - very useful for talking to the kids.

Panonabike Wed 03-Jul-13 17:56:12

That is def weirdy Duchesse!

yeah, I could see how the loved one of Froomey might be..erm...focussed.
and a bit deranged

LostInWales Wed 03-Jul-13 20:32:18

Watching it on ITV4 plus one. I love the little technical explanation bits done by Boardman and Boulting. Has anyone read Ned Boultings book about being a journalist at the tour, it's really funny.

Cath Wiggins comes across as really down to earth and funny, I want to be her friend! Her little digs on twitter last year were hilarious and Froome's girlfriend really wasn't good at being as subtle in return. Cav's girlfriend is quite good too. even though I hate her because if he met me he would love me forever and we would have perfect long eyelashed babies

LostInWales Wed 03-Jul-13 20:40:39

A bit of a description of the twitter spat but apparently Cath's account has been deleted since she got a bit heated defending Wiggo's one fingered salute to the press last November.

Panonabike Wed 03-Jul-13 20:49:00

Yes, you see I could do so much for Victoria Pendleton, too. Not least of which is teach her how to dance. I'd fear for the off-spring though.grin

Panonabike Wed 03-Jul-13 20:59:03

MrsWiggo - at least one of them needs to be grounded and take the long view of

ChairmanWow Wed 03-Jul-13 21:02:23

I'm missing Twitter now! Had to leave as I was following too many interesting folks and I couldn't keep up. Loved Mrs Wiggo too, not least because she's a cyclist too and not just a whiny WAG. Froomie's girlfriend came out the spat badly.

So, are we allowed to discuss the result yet...? Sod it, I'm going in. One word - CAAAAAAAAAVVVVVVVVVV! Yes! Yes! Yes! Also pleased to see Boasson-Hagen in there.

Didn't realise Ned has written a book. Another one for the list, darn it!

LostInWales Wed 03-Jul-13 21:04:09

She is rather lovely but I think she might be a tad high maintenance. I don't think any help in the world can teach her how to dance either. My boys met Becky James now she is the prettiest cyclist I've ever seen and really lovely with it, although I wouldn't want to fight her boyfriend much. Mmm, Hincapie too and Cancellara, the current crop are getting a bit young for me though.

mummytime Wed 03-Jul-13 21:05:22

Ned Boulting's book is great, I bought it for DH for Christmas. I even enjoyed his skirting around Lance (before it all became official and he stopped suing people/wrecking their careers). David Millar is also interesting on Lance.

LostInWales Wed 03-Jul-13 21:08:02

Sorry, I spent so long thinking about good looking cyclists I lost the point of the thread.

Caaaaaaaaaaaavvvvvvv grin grin grin He is just sounding so grown up now in post race interviews too and those glasses really suit him no one was close really were they and his lead-out team nailed it. I was surprised that Sagan didn't have more of a kick watching the over head shots. I love Boassen-Hagen too, he has such a cheeky grin as well.

I would recommend Ned's book, I read it every year now and it really gets me in tour head-space.

Panonabike Wed 03-Jul-13 21:08:41

Wes Cav!! He was led out perfectly wasn't he. But the boy did the biz where it mattered. And it was so nice to see his 'challengers' sweating in his wake.

Panonabike Wed 03-Jul-13 21:09:06


LostInWales Wed 03-Jul-13 21:13:59

Wes Cav, his little brother just starting out in cycling wink

LostInWales Wed 03-Jul-13 21:14:41

His 'challengers' didn't even look like they were in the same bike race grin

LostInWales Wed 03-Jul-13 21:17:28

<presses 'howgoodisthat' repeatedly on her new app and grins> That Jens Voigt app is epic, and also free. This makes me very happy.

Panonabike Wed 03-Jul-13 21:21:34

VP being hi-maintenance. Like the boy riders would be nothing like 'it's all about me-me-me, my glory, change your plans, fly to Granada now, do you love me? Because I don't think my cycle team mates do, some of them are really bad' sort of thing? smile
Except Jens.

LostInWales Wed 03-Jul-13 21:28:39

Except Jens of course. wink

Panonabike Wed 03-Jul-13 21:32:33

<just googled Becky. Nope. Still VP and her high maintenance>
But back to the actual cycling....I'm increasingly admiring Chavenel - he digs in and motivates the team, surely. Takes responsibility and leads, often, from the front. And is a jolly good egg and all-rounder.

LostInWales Wed 03-Jul-13 21:50:12

He's been right at the front of the team a lot hasn't he, been around a while now though, the experienced rider in the team? pointedly ignores the fact that he is actually younger than me I must remember to download the Wegelius book tonight, be interesting to hear about the tour from a workhorse position rather than one of the glory boys.

LostInWales Wed 03-Jul-13 22:14:31

Quick last post before bed and reading about cycling instead of watching it and talking about it, I love this photo from today.

I hope you can see it as I found it on facebook somewhere.

gindrinker Wed 03-Jul-13 22:37:51

Am I allowed to say 'phwoar Cav' or are we having a serious cycling discussion?

I love the tactics of getting you sprinter to the front right at the end to throw him at the line.
I'm going to watch a stage next week...I am totally over excited about it.

ChairmanWow Wed 03-Jul-13 23:01:07

Okay, re-igniting the fit riders discussion: Thor Hushovd, who sadly hasn't been around in the last couple. He deserves the name of a god. What a man! I've also had a soft spot for Johnny Hoogerland (sp?) ever since he rode so heroically after having barbed wire embedded in his bot 2 years ago.

I also have a non-fancying soft spot for Tommy Voeckler. He seems like such a character and has a brilliant look of concentration when he's trying to break, like a little kid.

lostinwales I'm so sorry about your bil's accident and hope that he comes back to you. Also hope that this thread provides you with some Tour company. I laughed at your Cadel comment because I used to think he was an arse until I saw him interviewed the day he got into the yellow jersey 2 years ago and he was so surprisingly geeky I couldn't help but like him. We even stopped calling him Bum Chin, such was our new-found respect.

Still can't decide who I want for yellow. I need to root for someone. Who?

YellowJersey Wed 03-Jul-13 23:07:16

Yay Cav!!!!

Enjoyed watching the perfect lead out & Cav beating Greipel & Sagan, who were just nowhere near him. Good to see Eddy Boasson-Hagen getting second. I'm quite fond of him too.

All very exciting at the finish. Hope not too many injuries from those crashes. Saw a couple of interviews with Geraint Thomas - he's a tough cookie & determined to hang in there.

Yes, Froome is a bit hard to love, isn't he? We might change our minds if it all starts going to plan in the mountains.

Great photo LostInWales!

EndoplasmicReticulum Wed 03-Jul-13 23:19:56

When they do the "front-on" camera angle it's hard to see who's winning, but from the above shot you could see that Cav was miles ahead, the others just had no chance.

I had successfully managed to avoid this thread all evening so was a nice surprise!

BearPear Thu 04-Jul-13 07:19:45

Hi, just dropping in from my lurker's perch. You can all just step away from Cav, you're too late. DH and I are off to week 3 in the Alps and I have a cunning plan to snatch him from the grupetto on Alpe d'Huez - he'll be too knackered to resist!

We are extremely excited to be going to Le Tour for the first time, it's a bit of a bucket-list thing for DH. He will be riding Alpe d'Huez a couple of days before the race arrives and is watching YouTube videos every evening and pointing out the switchbacks and gradients with a wild smile on his face!

"Howgoodisthat?" is my ABSOLUTE favourite Jens quote on that app. Its worth having the tablet in the kitchen just to be able to press that at every possible opportunity.

Cav did do so well - he's creeping up that all time stage winners list. And I do like Eddie-Bo so it was good to see him getting close - he certainly dogged Cav on the way in and clung to the back wheel as hard as he could.

Those two late crashes were pretty nasty.

As for ker-ushes, I will admit to having a thing for Thor - and for Jens. Tommy V has a special place in my heart too. Team-wise, I have a penchant for Garmin and Orica-Green Edge.

Still no-one to root for here either - its quite different to be watching the Tour so dispassionately this year compared to previous years.

LostInWales Thu 04-Jul-13 08:18:58

Of course you can say 'phowoar Cav', I like to think this thread is a fine mix of admiring the grit and courage of the riders whilst also being able to enjoy the appeal of a fine thigh (of any gender) clad in lycra.

I nearly grabbed Cav at the top of the Alpe d'Huez two years ago BearPear, he got to the top at the back of the grupetto stood on his pedals and just whizzed up the side of it to stay out of trouble at the finish, sadly his speed was to great to grab him but I did scream his name like a teen watching a boy band and he turned his head and grinned at me. This so far has been the higlight of my adult life. Sod having the children. I called his name on Caerphilly mountain from about 1m away last year and he grinned at me then too. See it's destiny, one day we will be together. wink.

YYY to Thor as well, and Jonny Hoogerland. There is something fabulous about Voekler too, not attractive but he just has quality I think.

I accidentally bought two cycling books last night grin, got them in proper copy too not downloads to they can join the pile by my bed looking cool.

For some reason I said I would help with a school trip today, I couldn't have been thinking straight at all. So I will have to wait for the highlights, boo. I leave you with Cav and Bernie from last years Tour of Britain (photo by my son!) and this one which we affectionately call Voekler's cock although in the opposite of MN norms is actually a perfectly fine photo to look at. It's a lovely bit of road painting from the 2011 tour on the Alpe d'Huez and that's my lovely bil which will out me a bit but I don't mind.

Bil and his friends rode the Galibier and Ventoux that year but didn't even contemplate Huez BearPear, your DH is mad!

LostInWales Thu 04-Jul-13 08:56:10

Actually, thinking about it, maybe only click on the second link if a young child isn't going to magically appear over your shoulder and say 'what's that?' although my three watched it being drawn and I think it was one of the best things they have seen (three boys between 4 and 11 at the time, mental ages probably similar to the, remarkably practiced, men who drew it). Sadly about an hour before the tour comes through there are gangs of other men with white paint who make the pictures into flowers etc so they don't get broadcast on tv!

Result - I'm happy now he's got his first win on the board. Here's to at least four more!

ariadneoliver Thu 04-Jul-13 09:45:03

Just delurking to recommend more twitter accounts to follow
@teamskychef and @Knollselleri you can see what Sky and Saxo Tinkoff are eating for breakfast and dinner.

Panonabike Thu 04-Jul-13 11:03:41

now following @orica_greenedge ( a new video is out in 4 days ) and their chef, as well as @gracieelvin who rides for orica currently on the giro rosa, and is providing competition for VP in my affections..

Panonabike Thu 04-Jul-13 11:09:55

Gracie says that the giro rosa and all it's 150 riders had to stop yesterday - at a level crossing so a train could pass!
Could you imagine..

prettybird Thu 04-Jul-13 14:04:08

That happened last year in the TdF - the breakaway got stopped at a level crossing, so the peloton caught up with it! shock They were eventually allowed to re-establish their buffer after complaining.

Panonabike Thu 04-Jul-13 15:31:13

The Orica chaps have been out front all day.

LostInWales Thu 04-Jul-13 20:26:36

I had a big grin when I was trying to follow on twitter and one of the tweets was 'Chavanel at the front again'.

Panonabike Thu 04-Jul-13 21:02:40

It's true isn't it? At one stage he looked like he was issuing team instructions. To other teams.grin

LostInWales Thu 04-Jul-13 21:48:19


ChairmanWow Thu 04-Jul-13 22:53:30

Okay, I'm not going to talk about today sad, but I've just got the Jens Voight app and it's friggin' awesome.

Night all


Actually, I have been contemplating a name change for a while.....

HowGoodIsThat Fri 05-Jul-13 08:09:00


Panonabike Fri 05-Jul-13 09:14:52

tres bien!

LostInWales Fri 05-Jul-13 09:54:07

Well Orica Green Edge and Simon Gerrans just became even cooler and so far my favourite Tour team ever. Gerrans 'hands over' yellow jersey.

LostInWales Fri 05-Jul-13 09:54:57

Excellent NC HowGoodIsThat. I think I might make mine I need more coffee wink.

Panonabike Fri 05-Jul-13 10:03:01

I'd read about that hand over on Cyclenews yesterday. Reminded me a bit of Wiggo hitting the front with 1km to go in Paris last year to help lead out Cav. Of course he couldn't have 'lost' the yellow at that stage but he was putting himself in the potentially dangerous mix in the build up to it to ensure a win for the team sprinter.

LostInWales Fri 05-Jul-13 11:19:47

Totally, I utterly loved cycling for that moment. Actually, cycling as a whole is all about those moments isn't it? The only sport where you have to make everyone want to help you if you are going to win. Or be a cheating, selfish, bully bastard (Yes Lance, I'm looking at you.)

ChairmanWow Fri 05-Jul-13 13:09:34

Yes, that and Wiggo slowing down the peloton when Cadel got a puncture when tacks had been thrown onto the road by some idiot. He wore the yellow well, did Bradders. Armstrong has been exposed as an egotist and a bully. So, so glad the bad old days are over (almost).

Am finding the Chris 'n' Ned technical snippets very interesting, mainly because they expose the strange obsession with tradition within the sport. It makes me realise what a pioneer Brailsford is with his marginal gains strategy. Sky are getting a lot of stick but you can bet other teams are watching and will gradually break those traditions.

I'd change my name to thisneedstobestitchedtogether but I reckon on Mumsnet that means something else entirely!

Panonabike Fri 05-Jul-13 20:59:33

I think that was a really interesting stage, n'est-ce pas? Just thought of a few more reasons to not like Sagan.

prettybird Fri 05-Jul-13 21:51:29

Have to say, can't fault the Cannondale tactics although I still don't like Sagan

Should really try to warm to Cannondale - after all, ds has a Cannondale Sora Caad8 (his race wheels cost more than dh's road bike! shockshock) hmm

prettybird Fri 05-Jul-13 21:53:17

Should include a envy in there too! grin

EndoplasmicReticulum Fri 05-Jul-13 22:16:49

Here's a question. How does Sagan pronounce his name? Because the commentary team don't seem to know. Is it Saggan or Sargan?

Panonabike Fri 05-Jul-13 22:34:13

Sagan? It's pronounced 'c*nt'.<lowering the tone a few places..> I think it's the goateeish and a sleazy look. He did pinch the bottom of one of the 'podium girls' a while back. But yes it's a bit of a lottery re pronunciation.

I did wonder why the Sky team weren't more active in getting Boassen-Hagen better placed? It looked like he was flying solo from quite a bit out when the train was well in place before hand.

LostInWales Fri 05-Jul-13 22:44:28

Damn, we are camping so I have no idea what is going on in the tour but so far Sagan just fucks me off big time. And his facial hair is well dodgy. <gavel>

Panonabike Fri 05-Jul-13 22:49:06

I did feel a bit sorry for the folks of Albi who would have stood in the sweltering heat for hours only to see half the peleton incl big sprinters just idle into the finish. But then it's a live show, as we hear, and the mountains start tomorrow so energy is a premium I guess? Still, not a good spectacle for the crowd at all.

prettybird Fri 05-Jul-13 22:59:39

The Sky team were like that last year with Cavendish - they are totally focused on the GC to the exclusion of all else hmm Cavendish won his early stages last year without a train by cadging lifts on other trains. He had to plead for help in the stage near the end which he thought he had a chance in ( tour geek junior ds would be able to tell me which one) and Wiggins supported him. The only other time he got the full train was the Champs Elysées.

Panonabike Fri 05-Jul-13 23:10:03

yes prettybird I remember Cav saying after in won a stage that in the pre-stage plan he had to ask 'can we go for a stage win at all?' - which they did, and he won. It just seemed so odd to NOT give BH a go when they were so close to it.

ChairmanWow Fri 05-Jul-13 23:22:51

I was going to say that I thought Sagan was okay, but he pinched the bum of a podium 'girl'? How twatty. Now I hate him and am rooting for Cav to totally bring it on post-Pyrenees. Greipel def can't win because he looks like an evil frog. Now bum-groper Sagan has to be denied am ignoring the fact Cav's missis is a former topless model

Agree on BH. Why bother having any sprinters in the team if they won't get any support? I cheered when Cav left, not because I'm not behind team Sky but because he was so stifled having had such success with Columbia HTC.

Panonabike Fri 05-Jul-13 23:29:41
maillotjaune Fri 05-Jul-13 23:34:14

Only just seen this thread but already need to say a very big thank you for the pointer to the Jens app which has just kept DH and me amused for the last 10 minutes. How good is that?

Panonabike Sat 06-Jul-13 00:26:58

If you didn't know, the Orica greenedge do a 'Backstage Pass' video after each stage - usually about three mins - stage 7

ChairmanWow Sat 06-Jul-13 09:06:16

Thanks panonabike. Brought a tear to my eye when Impey signed the SA flag for that bystander. It's great to see such pride.

As for the Sagan pic shock. I find the whole podium 'girls' thing a bit tacky, a bit '70s dolly birds, but that photo is just vile.

Anyhoo, first day of the Pyrenees! Gorgeous scenery and hopefully lots of cat and mouse moves. Bring it on!

HowGoodIsThat Sat 06-Jul-13 17:14:25

yy Its the single thing that annoys me most about professional cycling. There is NO NEED for podium girls. Until they are retired, I just can't see women's racing being taken seriously. When there are role models like Marianne Vos out there, why on earth is the same sport still trotting out such tired gender cliches.

I remember the Sagan thing did ignite a very small back lash about podium girls but it died away pretty quickly, unfortunately.

We were watching live this afternoon but I fell asleep so I am still none the wiser until the Highlights show.

Panonabike Sun 07-Jul-13 10:31:01

Did we lose a few posters on those steep climbs?grin

Orica GreenEdge Stage 8
So un-Sky like.

Gigondas Sun 07-Jul-13 10:39:47

Nope still here- looking forward to today which is more than some of riders, like cav, were.

I am also keen to see the new orica music video which they filmed yesterday ..

ChairmanWow Sun 07-Jul-13 12:15:08

Grudging respect for Froome yesterday.

I'm dying to settle in and watch today but DS (2.3) will only stand still for 8 seconds at a time so it's off to a family festival-type thing this arvo. Meh. Bloody kids. Highlights later.

Orica Greenedge have to be everyone's new fave team don't they? smile.

ariadneoliver Sun 07-Jul-13 12:22:29

Sky suffering badly today, Froome's on his own with no team members in sight. It's made the race v. exciting.

prettybird Sun 07-Jul-13 12:27:54

Ooooh - exciting day! Whoever wears the yellow jersey tomorrow will truly have earned it (not suggesting in any way that Froome didn't deserve it yesterday).

Tennis, what tennis? winkgrin

Panonabike Sun 07-Jul-13 12:32:48

But Porte is only 2 mins behind Froome, and the non-climbers will fall off pretty quickly on the next cat 1 climb.
Interesting the notion that a few riders will be 'cut off' at the end of the day for not keeping up with this av speed.

Gigondas Sun 07-Jul-13 12:46:04

Doesn't the race official have discretion on cut off in certain circumstances - I think one of them can be where leaders go at silly pace and the bulk of peloton or good number of them are outside time limit in the auto bus.

Panonabike Sun 07-Jul-13 12:50:38

yes I think you're right re cut off. Eurosport reported it as a bit of a hole the race commissars have dug for themsleves and unless they want to decimate the race overall they'll have to carefully dig themselves out of it.

ariadneoliver Sun 07-Jul-13 17:26:53

They've been pretty strict with the cut off I think it was Ted King who was let go for being 7 seconds late and that was because he was injured in the big pile up on the first day and then couldn't ride his time trial bike. Anyway, Cav is still in so all is OK. grin

ivykaty44 Sun 07-Jul-13 18:44:41

I was impressed with the 23 years old columbian offering up his wheel on the climb - he went to early and paid the price later, but he is going to be coming back and making a name for himself in years to come

LostInWales Sun 07-Jul-13 21:31:20

Hmm, an upcoming Sky signing perhaps wink.

Well I have spent the entire weekend in a field with no wifi or telly but a cracking view of the sea so I have an awful lot of freckles and have nearly finished Wegelius' book but was pretty clueless as to the racing until this evening. Go Froome! I have a new found respect for his abilities after he stuck on like glue with no team mates to help him today. He was lovely being interviewed after as well. Don't know if I will ever really like him in the way I do Wiggo but he certainly has my respect.

HowGoodIsThat Sun 07-Jul-13 21:39:07

Watched yesterday's stage at 3am this morning after coming home from a party, fell asleep during it and was oblivious to the fact Froome was in yellow until we started the highlights tonight. blush

Froome did justice to the yellow and defended well, didn't he? Kudos, as Strava-ites would say. And - look - Andy Schleck is back, back, back.

IS Wegelius worth reading? I need to sort out my camping reading list...

ChairmanWow Sun 07-Jul-13 22:16:10

Ha, that is brilliant howgoodisthat. Kudos for drunkenly insisting on watching. Kudos on being up til 3am. I was doing a feed at that time!

Froome was amazing today. Similarly I will never respect him the way I do Wiggo, but what a hard and lonely day. What happened to Porte? And the rest of the team for that matter, though Geraint is excused. Can't believe he's still grinding it out with his knacked pelvis. Whaddaguy.

Rest day tomorrow. And just me and the baby at home too- and she's transfixed by the tour. There's no justice!

Panonabike Sun 07-Jul-13 23:38:12

Big up The Froominator! He just didn't give up did he?
And watching the incident with Kennaugh it looked from the o/head that the guy had enough road on the inside but just seemed to lean into him and take his space.

Rest Day tomorrow.

Gigondas Mon 08-Jul-13 07:33:03

Just got wegelius book so can't tell you - also got the William fotheringham article collection,

But here is something for the rest day [[ orica rocks]]- enjoygrin.

HowGoodIsThat Mon 08-Jul-13 07:56:54

How good is that?!! I love Orica Green Edge!

They were quick of the edit, weren't they -loved the bit where they measure the bus! And they got Didier into it which is sweet. The podium girl at the Team Trial just looks bemused.

They are just having a blast this tour.

HowGoodIsThat Mon 08-Jul-13 08:04:24

Is it just me or is anyone else feeling a touch heart-sore for Wiggo? I was reading DH's Cycling Weekly and there was an account from a cycle club member who was timing some mates round a road Time Trail course when, in his words, "a chancer in a Team Sky kit just turned up", flew round the course and left - at which point they realised Wiggo had just totalled them! There was also a small piece about how much nicer the atmosphere on the Sky Team bus is this year under Froome rather than the intense introspection of Wiggo last year. It smacked of a PR positioning piece to "rehab" Froome to which I have no objection per se, but it felt like Wiggo is being consigned to history. sad

We did the Sky RIde yesterday and they were displaying Wiggo's TT bike from the Tour last year. DH had to have his picture taken with it - it is an extraordinary piece of kit. Beautiful - and I never thought I'd hear myself saying that about a bike! They had a mock-up of a podium in front of a pic of the Arc d'Triomphe, complete with bouquets, toy lions and a yellow T shirt. We did a family pic, although sweetly, the girls wouldn't pull on yellow as they "hadn't actually won something".

RIght - enough Tour blah blah - must get kids to school!

Panonabike Mon 08-Jul-13 10:50:57

"hadn't actually won anything" Sweeeet!

I work round the corner from the Nat Cycle Velo, Manchester and was biking into work one morning a few weeks ago along the road toward the velo when a bike swooshed in from my right, it slowed, a bloke of about 60 yo built like a stick said "'mornin'" and swooshed on past me. He was liviered in the Team Sky outfit, was obv off to work, but had no need to carry anything with him (as his needs are already catered for at work?) unlike my stuffed Berghaus rucksack with towel, clothes, lunch etc. I like to think I was utterly creamed by a Sky coach person...we see Sky trains quite a lot round East Manchester and it's really frustrating trying to id them!

Panonabike Mon 08-Jul-13 11:20:26

They were fast on the edit weren't they? Those Spanish dancers were on the route yesterday weren't they?

Given that it will be a very prickly affair to have Froomey and Wiggo on the same team next season, esp. IF Froome wins Le Tour, can anyone else see the perfect marriage of Wiggo and Orica GE?
-OGE don't have a GC contender, don't take themselves too seriously, like to paaarty, have a competitive womens team which Wiggo is trying to promote in UK, an expanding antipodean market to exploit with a 'big name', half of the OGE team aren't Aussie anyway, quite a few live in Europe so no need to relocate.
OGE + Wiggo. A team of teams.

LostInWales Mon 08-Jul-13 11:29:38

That would be ace, although as the mother of ginger boys I think he'd have to change the colour of the kit to stop him looking constantly sickly wink. Ned Boulting has a great line on how he looked at the end of the tour last year. I will grab it in a bit and put it down properly. Awesome video, I think I will have to watch that a few times particularly the section containing the gentleman in the white shirt and black pants, mmmmmm

Looking forward to ITV4 tonight, they are doing a sum up of the tour so far and then something about good ole Lance. That should be interesting.

I wish I saw Sky riders in my day to day life. I remember seeing Wiggo on the tour of britain about three years ago, we stood in the rain for hours waiting for them and yet when he went past he just glowed with health and fitness, there was such an air about him.

LostInWales Mon 08-Jul-13 13:25:30

Ned Boulting's description of Wiggo;

"His hair had grown over the month he had been away, and brightened at the fringes in the sun. His sideburns, uncared for during three weeks on a bike, had thickened and spread. This was quaint enough, but he was also spectacularly thin. As a result he looked like a character from a Victorian children's cautionary story."

I think that sums up the man standing on the podium in the Champs Elyses quite well. grin

DramaAlpaca Mon 08-Jul-13 14:04:41

I haven't been around for a couple of days (been overdosing on tennis) but I'm back on the bike now. I've taken off my YellowJersey because it's just too warm today & also I've never actually won anything!! and am back to using my everyday theatrical South American beast of burden identity. I might put the jersey back on in a week or so if I get really excited.

Finally caught up with Le Tour last night after all the excitement of Wimbledon. Oh my, that was an exciting weekend wasn't it!!! On Saturday it looks like Sky have the GC one/two sewn up, on Sunday no-one in Team Sky had any legs apart from Froome. He did an absolutely heroic job hanging in there yesterday amongst all those Movistar lads. I hope his team will be OK after they've had a rest today.

I wondered before the Tour if Sky had made a mistake in not having at least one of their two climbing Colombians in the team. Uran did the Giro & I think he is leaving at the end of the season, but not sure about Henao. Like someone upthread said, Quintana may be a target for them.

I picked Dan Martin for the stage yesterday & was very happy to see him win. The stage was made for him. He's having a very good year so far.

Good to see Andy Schleck going OK again, and I felt so sorry for poor old Cadel Evans, he sounded so depressed in his interviews.

Interesting thought about OGE & Wiggo. He might fit in well there. Like others have said, I don't think there is room for both Wiggo & Froome on the same team.

Must remember to take a look at the OGE video now. It's a slow day in the office so I can potter around on here, but my work pc doesn't have sound so I'll check out YouTube later.

Au revoir for now!

DramaAlpaca Mon 08-Jul-13 14:06:38

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DramaAlpaca Mon 08-Jul-13 14:07:28

Drat - double-post. Something went wrong halfway through.

Panonabike Mon 08-Jul-13 14:17:31

Getting the bus stuck under the gantry on Day One when everybody would be watching was a PR master-stroke.

DramaAlpaca Mon 08-Jul-13 15:53:43

grin I wonder if they really did do that deliberately!

HowGoodIsThat Mon 08-Jul-13 16:29:51

Darn it Pan - now you have just got my hopes up! I wonder whether Wiggo might not revert to being a bit more Cat-Who-Walks-By-Himself and just focus on TT or even go back to the track? But my heart would love to see OGE + WIggo - maybe they could try the Giro?

ariadneoliver Mon 08-Jul-13 20:30:27

Something fun for the rest day Daily Mash

Panonabike Mon 08-Jul-13 20:56:17


HowGoodIsThat Mon 08-Jul-13 21:07:28

Don't fret Pan - still cheaper than a Porsche mid-life crisis.

DH modeled his new bib shorts last weekend and the three of us fell about laughing. Bless him.

<stuffs own horrifically expensive cycling shorts out of sight and distracts everyone from seeing carbon bike that hasn't seen tarmac for nearly a month>

Panonabike Mon 08-Jul-13 21:28:57

Not really. I bought a CBoardman at £750 in April but it sees approx 100miles per week for work so it pays for itself. I tell my

prettybird Mon 08-Jul-13 22:09:15

Where does £750 on a bike for a 12 year old plus £250 on race wheels come in this equation? wink

to be fair, the £750 came out of an inheritance from his grandmother and the race wheels were paid for by his grandfather

ariadneoliver Mon 08-Jul-13 22:36:40

12 is a tad young for a mid life crisis, no? grin

ChairmanWow Mon 08-Jul-13 22:37:41

panonabike my DH has a Boardman Team and loves it, though he has commuted it virtually to death. Time for another Bike2Work deal. Oh, and I'm in Manchester too. I saw Geraint whizzing along once, a couple of years ago. Have you had a spin on the velodrome? It's such a buzz! I'm so unfit post-baby. Grinding out out on the turbo trainer at the mo.

Concur re Wiggo/OG but I doubt it. Ditto to wondering whether there's a big Froome PR job. I'd be feeling a bit frozen out if I were Brad. There are too many potential GC contenders emerging on Sky anyway. There will be big changes next couple of years I reckon.

prettybird Mon 08-Jul-13 22:52:08

It could be argued that we are having our mid-life crises vicariously via ds wink. Dh complains regularly that his bike (a Decathlon b'twin road bike) cost about the same as ds' race wheels grin

I'd like to get my own road bike (currently riding my Mum's old bike, which, until ds got his Cannondale, was the most expensive bike in the household, mainly 'cos of their Rok Shox) but need to wait until either dh or I get a new job.

I've had two sessions in our fancy new velodrome smile. It feels great to get to the top of the banking.

Ds is fully accredited for the velodrome. Our next purchase (once he has cleaned, serviced and sold his Islabike) is a track bike for him - he's currently using a club one.

Panonabike Mon 08-Jul-13 22:59:26

Chairman - yes mines is a Team too! "It's a thing of beauty and thereby a joy for ever." Keats, though he didn't actually say it about my bike....tho' it's playing u pa bit in not wanting to shift to the bigger chain ring.
I come in from Glossop, over the M60 and down A57 Hyde Road to a place about 1 mile past the Etihad. This warm weather is a nice antidote to riding in basically ski gear on a bike in minus 5 of a morning!
No I've never been to the velodrome, and, heresy, can't get into track cycling.<gulp>

OGE and Wiggo, just a nice bit of whimsy for a rest day.

Panonabike Mon 08-Jul-13 23:01:08

Cannondale. Sagan.shock

prettybird Mon 08-Jul-13 23:06:26

Ds likes Sagan. I don't. Can't put my finger on why.

To be fair, that's not why we bought him a Cannondale. It's what the LBS (who are also sponsors of his bike club) recommended for my budget.

prettybird Mon 08-Jul-13 23:08:48

Living in Scotland, the nice thing about the velodrome is that you can cycle all year round. Plus you can schedule Omniums and know that they will go ahead grin

Panonabike Mon 08-Jul-13 23:15:45

I'm also a Scot. Sort of. I was born in Bellshill Lanarkshire but we left when I was still in short pants, so none of that beautiful accent left at all.sad

HowGoodIsThat Mon 08-Jul-13 23:20:10

We are living vicariously through the DD's. Both race on Islabikes in the under-8s at the local grass track. Tis too cute. The littlest one wears teeny tiny cycle gloves <melts>

prettybird Mon 08-Jul-13 23:29:02

I watched a wee under 8 year old (shr was probably 4 or 5) doggedly complete a fun dirt Crit (Fun Day for the last coaching session before the summer break) on her teeny tiny pink princess bike complete with pink basket grin

LostInWales Tue 09-Jul-13 13:04:54

My DS3 (he's 6) has a teeny tiny road bike with matching teeny tiny gloves and clear lensed sunglasses (decathlon in France of course) so he doesn't get flies and rain in his eyes. In his black skin tight base layers (too small for cycling shorts) and club top he is possibly the cutest thing I have ever seen in my life. And then he goes like Cav and beats all the 10 year olds or comes second and throws a temper tantrum. blush and grin

DS1 (13 and built like a giraffe) has a lovely Specialized cross bike which I love because he will grow out of it eventually and then it will be alllll miiiine! I haven't caved for road tyres yet because I go all Brailsford on him and tell him if he trains on slower tyres he'll be faster when he races (and probably come off at the first corner when they don't grip as well). We had a velodrome session in half term and they loved it.

So, Cav for today then? It is sunny so I am being forced to go to the beach for a picnic tea so I will have to wait for the highlights.

LostInWales Tue 09-Jul-13 13:06:41

Forgot! Came on here to post this it's one of 10 posters to celebrate 100 years of the tours best moments.

ChairmanWow Tue 09-Jul-13 13:34:21

liw that is wonderful. I loved him being nicknamed le Gentleman. Remember when Contador raced off when Andy Schleck's chain came off a few years back. Caused such outrage. It's great that Wiggo is so principled.

Your kids are brilliant everybody. It must be such a buzz watching them ride. I am dying to get mine into cycling. DS (2.3) is just getting to grips with his balance bike. It's slow progress but the main thing is that he likes it. I get him out on the back of mine as much as poss as well. Thinking of taking him to Manchester Sky Ride next month.

Track-wise, it's something I've tried just for the experience, and I found it exilerating but it's not something I'd do all the time. I like the road, though I'm not fast. Am going to do the Manchester to Blackpool next July.

Well, Brittany today. Another sprint stage if I'm not mistaken. Let's hope Cav has completely shaken off the bronchitis and is back on form.

ChairmanWow Tue 09-Jul-13 13:39:01

Just watching last night's prog on doping. Shots of Armstrong with the Fall's Mr Pharmacist playing in the background. Brilliant!

prettybird Tue 09-Jul-13 14:09:34

LostinWales - are you actually in Wales and if so, North or South? We're thinking of coming down in the next week or so to do one of the K(?) series Youth Crits in Rhyl. My best friend lives in Penmaenmawr so we can combine it with visiting her. Ds is Youth B and wanting to get some race practice in before going off to Errigal.

Panonabike Tue 09-Jul-13 15:08:42

I am guessing that lostinwales is somewhere south. Maybe Pembroke?

My dd is 13. When she had her first bike, with stabilisers and a basket she was as proud as punch. I have piccie in a collage of photos on the dining room wall. And THAT was the pinnacle of her attachment to bikes. Nooo chance now.sad

LostInWales Tue 09-Jul-13 21:38:56

I am in Wales yes! North Pembrokeshire (nicely deduced Pan wink) DS1 loves training but has ASD and finds competing really freaks him out so we just go train but that is great because he can't really do sport due to his hereditary (sorry DS1) lack of coordination and it keeps him fit. I love all the children I see at cycling training and races, when we are in a random car park on a Saturday morning and it is freezing I look at the 30 odd kids pelting round and laugh that we think we have a nation of couch potato children.

So what happened today then? I didn't get home in time to see the highlights (it was just too warm in the sea, grin) there was a crash and Cav came third? In spite of or because of the crash? and is my baby ok

Panonabike Tue 09-Jul-13 21:55:29

it's a gift I

Well he was massively ticked off, I think with his team, and on the run in was impeded a bit (deliberately I thought) and reacted by going shoulder to shoulder and the other guy, the last lead out who drifted right just before a left hander so Cav would have to go the very long way round, hit the deck. Cav's media show outside the team bus wasn't his best moment...

We prob have reason to fear the Paris sprint?

prettybird Tue 09-Jul-13 22:08:50

I thought Cav was quite constrained for him , given he was still in that emotional period immediately following the sprint.

He could have used a lot more sweary words in the simple statement, "we'll be having words about that [the lead out train] later". hmm I am that "later" did include a lot of sweary words grin.

Anifrangapani Tue 09-Jul-13 22:08:58

Pan have your kid(s) tried Glossop Kinder Velo. They are doing velo training at the moment but will (I am told) be doing cross and road racing soon. They teach racing technique. They feed a lot of kids into the BC talent scheme.

Panonabike Tue 09-Jul-13 22:13:52

Anifrangapani, nice idea thanks but she is far far away from this. She's built more like a middle-distance runner and she goes out running with a friend but biking is not even on any agenda.

prettybird Tue 09-Jul-13 22:32:20

Ds in full flight in a recent Omnium time trial. He wants to be the next Eddie Merckx - a sprinter, climber and GC contender. Nothing like having big dreams! grin.

Currently dances up hills but doesn't have the thighs for sprinting or short distance time trials! wink

Panonabike Tue 09-Jul-13 22:34:51

Ani I am going to exercise my mystical powers again and suggest you live somewhere between Glossop and Hayfield. Somewhere near the 'Lanterns' pub.
Always thought it would be a good idea to go up Chunal as a ride but haven't got round to it yet. Been up the Snake to the top tho'. Pretty windy!

Panonabike Tue 09-Jul-13 22:36:41

Impressive. He looks a real GC contender!

LostInWales Tue 09-Jul-13 22:41:14

Prettybird I am torn between the beauty of your DS and the beauty of his bike! What a fabulous picture of them both together. I am going to harvest some of Pan's psychic skills and say I think he will achieve whatever he wants! You will have to wait for tomorrow for a pic of DS3 looking cute on his bike as I'm in bed now.

Also I will have to wait to see what happened in the sprint, as long as my boy was good to cuss he must be ok to fight another day wink

prettybird Tue 09-Jul-13 22:50:39

That's his club track bike. His expensive Cannondale is truly a thing of beauty - but don't have a good picture of him on it on my iPod.

I do think he is rather beautiful but as his mother I am biased

His challenge at the moment is that he is torn between cycling and rugby and is good at both. Sign of our commercial times though: he's said he will go pro in whichever sport offers him a contract first! grin

Personally, I think rugby would be safer! confused

ivykaty44 Tue 09-Jul-13 22:58:16

prettybird your ds looks good smile he didn't happen to be at blackpool on saturday by any chance?

prettybird Tue 09-Jul-13 23:16:35

No he wasn't. This year (as a first year B) he doesn't have any BC points. He intends to be there next year though!

The Scots did well though. One of his friends got silver (losing by a tyre's width apparently) at Youth C.

We were at Blackpool at the end of May though. It didn't look anything like the photos from this weekend. My ski jacket (!) got soaked through and took over a day to dry!

He had sooooo been looking forward to the Blackpool stage of the North West Uouth Tour as he'd been told it had a hill - but the wind and rain did for him. sad

LostInWales Wed 10-Jul-13 08:17:11

Mini road racer He still had his warm top on though, it hailed about 5 minutes later! All this cycle watching certainly hardens you up as a parent prettybird! Don't let him play rugby that's how my lovely bil ended up in hospital. One mistimed tackle and so much damage can be caused. But then cycling on the roads is so dangerous too. Gah I'm keeping mine inside wrapped in cotton wool wink.

prettybird Wed 10-Jul-13 09:25:13

Cute smile

I've seen many many more accidents cycling than I've ever seen at rugby. Dh had done his first aid course for the Minis' Rugby and hasn't used it in over 3 months since he did it.

He ended up using it 3 times over the weekend at the North West Youth Tour (and he wasn't even an official first aider) and saw 2 broken collar bones and a concussion (that he knows of). hmm

At the track I've seen a broken wrist and lots of horrible "road" rash. But the kids are tough grin

LostInWales Wed 10-Jul-13 10:17:08

I know, thinking about it though my dad lost the sight in one eye, broke his wrist and dislocated his shoulder playing rugby but at least they aren't going 30 odd miles per hour wearing a thin slick of lycra on unforgiving concrete. (Our velodrome is outdoor and last time we went a little shit small boy was sitting on the edge throwing stones at the wheels as they went past shock the speeds some of the club were doing made it SO dangerous. So the trainers told him and his mates off, parents of the little shits small children called the police, police came and told off little shits small children grin)

Poor old Cav - I know I'm biased but I do think he's been a bit hard done by, particularly by Veelers. OK, he doesn't help himself by being so "emotional" in the interviews but I always think it's harsh to interview them so soon after such an adrenalin rush and expect them to be cool, calm and collected (and that goes for most sports where they interview them within about 10 seconds of coming off the track, racecourse, pitch, etc).

Veelers def overreacted, probably from fright, but to me it looked like a bit of a professional foul - you know, make it look accidental but oops I just drifted across the main threat to my team sprinter....or am I turning into Cav and seeing conspiracy theories?!

LostInWales Wed 10-Jul-13 14:34:34

I'm with you frosty, anyone endangers my Cav and they should be banned from cycling IMHO wink.

ChairmanWow Wed 10-Jul-13 15:14:46

my Cav. Love it LIW.

Agree re Veelers. Cav's the one who gets accused of being over emotional in post-stage interviews, but Veelers came out and said that Cav pushed him off his bike, like a snitching little kid. I can't call if it's deliberate but lead-out riders are taught to peel away safely when they drop off and at best he was all over the place

Love the pics of kids on bikes. I am so going to be a pushy parent and force my kids to become club cyclists grin. DS now absolutely loves his balance bike so he's off to a good start! Ignoring the safety concerns (especially as a friend was knocked off by a hit and run driver last night and left with a broken arm. Bastard).

My Cav LIW....not yours, well, ok our Cav!

Panonabike Wed 10-Jul-13 16:05:57

Anyhoos, back to the actual riding..grin, The Froominator is at it again.

Panonabike Wed 10-Jul-13 16:43:45

Poor Cav, he really gets it doesn't he? Veelers is rapidly becoming my least favourite person, but if I were there I wouldn't throw urine at him....

Hopefully it will fuel Cav's sprint speed, if nothing else.

prettybird Wed 10-Jul-13 18:52:13

My mum died as a direct result of a fall off her bike in India in which she got a head injury (even though she was wearing a helmet) - and also broke her pelvis sad Took 5 years for her to die (2 years looking like she was recovering, 3 years declining again; she died a year ago) sad

Hasn't put me off cycling though.

On a brighter note, here are two pictures of ds, taken two days apart: the first sheltering from the sun, the second in cold wind and rain. He was in tears at the end from the cold - but it's amazing how quickly they bounce back.

Interesting day today. They keep saying how much more interesting it is this year than last year, because Sky had it sewn up last yeat, but iirc, Sky only took the yellow jersey in the middle of the 2nd week confused

DuckworthLewis Wed 10-Jul-13 19:09:18

Hello, do you mind if I join you?

I'm an unashamed armchair cycling fan, but DH is a lot more serious (i.e. actually gets on a bike smile )

Saddos that we are, The Tour is the highlight of our year - we've been to Paris to watch the final stage on the Champs Elysees for the past few years which has been amazing!

pretty I think this year is more interesting, because (and I hope I don't get booed off the thread for saying this) I think Chris Froome has a much wider skillset than Wiggo; he's able to keep up a punishing pace, as Wiggo was, but also is much more able to adapt to attacks, as he did on Monday (?) when Garmin just ripped into the peloton...

I was quite surprised by general consensus re the incident in yesterday's sprint; it really looked to me like Cav pushed him off, but apparently not confused.

DuckworthLewis Wed 10-Jul-13 19:09:52

forgot to say pretty Sorry for your loss

prettybird Wed 10-Jul-13 19:16:31

Of course you can join us Duckworth smile

I'd agree with you re Froome if that's what they were implying (which BTW I agree with you) - but it seems to be the opposite: that Sky don't have it sewn up, so Froome is vulnerable confused

Re the Cavenish incident, initially ds and I thought Cavendish was at fault but when we looked at it in slow mo, we changed our minds. Two reasons: the way that Veelers peeled off (and the white line showed that he didn't maintain the racing line) and secondly, the fact that the road was bearing to the left combined with Cavendish's "Manx Missile" acceleration leaning him over to the left at the same time that Veelers leaned to the right was just bad luck. The commissaires have said it was just a racing incident. I think that is probably a fair assessment - but if anything, I think it was Veelers' responsibility.

EmilyAlice Wed 10-Jul-13 19:19:52

The Tour came past the end of our road here in Normandy two years ago. Brilliant day. OH got hit on the head by a Madeleine (cake) from one of the publicity vans, but didn't remember anything about his past life. smile
Thought Mont St Michel looked wonderful today. OH flips between ITV4 and French tele to avoid the adverts, it gets me very confused.

DramaAlpaca Wed 10-Jul-13 21:18:37

Hi everyone. Cav seems to be maintaining a dignified silence over the crowd incident today.

I think the commissaires got it right about the Veelers crash being just a racing incident. I think Cav would've had some choice words with his own team about the lack of lead out for him. If Mark Renshaw is joining the team next season that should improve things.

Froome was awesome today. He has a good cushion now, but will need his team to perform better in the Alps & protect him better if he's to hold the lead - which I hope he does.

DuckworthLewis I think you may be right about Froome's skillset compared to Wiggins. Are you also a cricket fan, by the way smile?

ivykaty44 Wed 10-Jul-13 22:20:48

Yay pretty - look at the red white and blue behind you ds!! on the first photo whoop whoop and I don't know who it is but will ask dd to ID him as he is from her club...

dd was here on Saturday in the tarmac melting heat grin

He's kept his sense of humour, at least, bless him. From Twitter: Well i think the apple juice looks far from appetising for me tonight... And I'm not taking the piss. Did that once already today.

prettybird Wed 10-Jul-13 22:35:33

ivykate - when I'm back on a pc, I'll PM you with links to my facebook North West International Youth Tour photo albums (173 photos) and to dh's Picassa albums (a gazillion photos - he was the one with the SLR and telephoto lens). There are some really good photos and I'm sure your ds will see some of her friends.

prettybird Wed 10-Jul-13 22:36:28

I thought I'd corrected that - dD not ds blush

prettybird Wed 10-Jul-13 22:41:27

Saw the winner of Saturday's Youth A race today at the velodrome. He's still gobsmacked that he won. Ds was impressed at being so close to a National Champion jersey - he'd been asked to bring it along even though he couldn't wear it as it was track training.

ivykaty44 Wed 10-Jul-13 22:45:04

dd took great delight in telling me on the way home from cycling today that she had sat with all the boys talking about the tour her friends were mildly jealous as there were apparently a couple of fit boys that dd's friends fancy... and of course dd knows all the technical stuff as well like the lead outs for the sprints, staying on someones wheel etc etc

ivykaty44 Wed 10-Jul-13 22:49:05

dd has only done a little on the track, she has some stuff planned for the summer hols in Manchester (pkus a 2km TT). One of the girls in her club is in your area this summer in the world juniors, if you go watch out for her she is awesome. Next years it will be easier as derby will open which will be under and hour from us

prettybird Wed 10-Jul-13 22:50:39

Great way to gain kudos! grin

prettybird Wed 10-Jul-13 22:55:10

Cross-posted. We have three season tickets for the Junior World Champs. Ds and other Glaswegian young accredited riders are going to be involved in the Opening Ceremony. smile

ivykaty44 Wed 10-Jul-13 23:15:20

Look out for Dannielle Khan

prettybird Thu 11-Jul-13 13:12:18

Will do! smile

LostInWales Thu 11-Jul-13 13:42:19

Right, catching up on the time trial, then into the day's racing. Our Cav looked remarkably calm and lovely after his eventful ride.

LostInWales Thu 11-Jul-13 20:35:51

Documentary on Cav on ITV 4 now. Peta is really nice, I feel like his best auntie feeling really happy for him. I got so old. wink.

Panonabike Fri 12-Jul-13 08:59:20

It was like watching Usain Bolt being outsprinted. Or finding that your dad isn't the world heavyweight champion.
At least Mark Renshaw is joining the boy at OPQ next year. ?That should calm things down a bit.grin

LostInWales Fri 12-Jul-13 09:30:03

I hope so, I hate it when he loses wink, I think people should let him win because he's Cav. If that Kittel wins on the Champs Elyses I shall have to have a quiet word with his mum about sharing nicely. How old is he now? Sprinting must be a young mans game surely.

LostInWales Fri 12-Jul-13 09:35:10

Quick google, Kittel is three years younger. Cav is 28 now shock I can remember clearly when he was 18!

Quite a flat one today as well. Don't know if I can bare to watch!

HowGoodIsThat Fri 12-Jul-13 13:37:43

Its getting pretty hairy in the sprint run ups now that there are three or more trains going for it. Back in the day when it was just HTC going for it, it was much less manic, I think.

Surely they have to think about regulating the way the lead-out men peel away - although I don't have a scoobie about how that would work.

Did you see L Ten Dam's kerazee saliva-beard at the end of the TT? Poor guy.

Gigondas Fri 12-Jul-13 14:49:57

Interesting peloton action- not sure it's entirely sporting of belkin tho.

prettybird Fri 12-Jul-13 15:35:52

We've just had an interesting discussion about that: dh thinks it was fair game, ds thinks it's along the lines of the Schleck incident, capitalising on a mechanical. Contrast with Sky last year slowing the peloton down when Cadell was puncturing.

Gigondas Fri 12-Jul-13 16:47:13

According to twitter it was payback for something Movistar did in 2011 at tour de Suisse. If that's true it all seems a bit mafioso grin.

I wondered if contador going wasn't only about time but about trying to tire/split sky in advance/as taster of the big mountain stages . I am worried about froome and lack of team.

But brilliant to see cav show he is still the business

prettybird Fri 12-Jul-13 17:04:04

Just goes to show that teams have long memories - and that "respecting tradition" can have its benefits in the long run or at least minimise the desire for payback at some future date

Panonabike Fri 12-Jul-13 18:23:28

Nice to see order restored in the world.

I only saw the sprint on a tv at work so no idea about something untoward happening. I remember the Schleck incident and all of the poo that cam after it. Didn't Schleck ride on leaving Evans with a snapped chain when etiquette says he should have stopped? It was on a climb iirc and S was roundly booed on the podium.

LostInWales Fri 12-Jul-13 18:27:38

Chavanel on the front again grin.

I think a lot of what I like about the grand tours is the history and politics, there is so much more to it than who can go fast on a bike. In fact it's almost irrelevant how fast you can go because you can't do anything on your own in these races.

Gigondas Fri 12-Jul-13 18:29:05

Wasn't it contador who rode on leaving schleck?
But want to watch highlight to see properly what went on.

prettybird Fri 12-Jul-13 18:33:56

The incident I was referring to was when Contador cycled away from Schleck - and went on to not win the Tour 'cos he was caught taking drugs

Panonabike Fri 12-Jul-13 18:47:51

Ah thanks - got it the wrong way round and with different personnel but other than that I was almost spot on.grin

Yes, 'Chavanel leading at the front' is a take-home phrase from this years Tour. That and my now encyclopedic knowledge of chateaux.

Panonabike Fri 12-Jul-13 18:59:07

Can I tell you a funny story?
ON the way home a white van was waiting in a line of traffic at lights and was blocking the cycle lane. I siddled up and told the two men in the cab through the open window what they were doing.
After a v brief exchange the passenger said " Why don't you f**ing do one you f***ing w*nker"
I paused, and riposted. "You know in the circumstances that's probably a good idea. See. You aren't as thick as you look. Or sound." And tootled off.
Well it amused me.grin

LostInWales Fri 12-Jul-13 20:56:58

I remember telling a white van driver I felt really sorry for him having to be him after a similarly unhelpful comment wink

I love the bits where the presenters are really enthusiastic about whichever chateaux they are being shown on a monitor at the time. I wonder if they have a paper script or if they have the info beamed at them from a monitor somewhere. They always sound really informative and not at all sarcastic, which I think I would be.

What does everyone reckon of Froome's chances then? He's barely got a team around him anymore.

prettybird Fri 12-Jul-13 21:17:16

They have a massive manual (may well be on an iPad now) with information about all the places the Tour passes. We have a friend who berates the ITV4 team for just repeating what they're reading - yet I think they do a good job of making it seem fresh. smile

Panonabike Fri 12-Jul-13 22:24:54

We know The Froominator is the strongest there and as well will have learned a lot from today about how this particular Tour will work out, esp in not going with Cav on the split. IF he wins it will be a greater achievement than Wiggo's. Saxo will have it in for him, but there are other teams with their own agendas, so keeping their conflicts open if he can will work to his advantage?
He has some mates left as well. Who need to be really good domestiques. Really feel for Boasson-Hagan.

DramaAlpaca Fri 12-Jul-13 23:27:06

Hooray, Cav is back! He & his teammates just spotted the Saxo move in time & got in there. He looked a really happy boy going over the line, with his new nemesis Kittel nowhere to be seen.

Clever move today from the Saxo team. Nobody was expecting them to make a move before the mountains. It was a much more exciting stage than anyone was anticipating, and the crosswinds wreaked havoc.

I was glad to see Valverde distanced, even if there was a suggestion of capitalising on a mechanical. He's a former doper who has served a long ban and apparently has never shown any remorse. The same of course can be said of Contador, who's always denied everything. I have lost a certain amount of respect for the Irish cyclist Nico Roche for joining the same team as Contador. I am hoping the efforts that Saxo put in today will take their toll tomorrow.

Froome looked concerned on the podium today. He is strong, but the team are clearly suffering. Feel so sorry for Eddy Boasson Hagen, who's one of my favourite cyclists. Hope he's back racing soon. He's a great loss to Team Sky. I agree with Panonabike that if Froome does win it will be a greater win than Wiggo's last year.

gindrinker Sat 13-Jul-13 07:28:44

I was there! It was a really good day, the sponsors are giving stuff out all day and there is the caravan about an hour before they come through.

Go early (very early) take a picnic and a sun hat and watch Cav fly past you in the lead.

Result - whoopee. Really exciting race, and well done to OPQS for such a sneaky move too. Very happy with that result as am off on holiday to Spain and have managed to pick a villa without SKY tv, aarrgh so will have to make do with scraps of news I think.

Sky's plans haven't gone as well but I still think he can do it, he's so strong up the hills.

DramaAlpaca Sat 13-Jul-13 18:35:39

Great win for Trentin today - he's Cav's room-mate apparently.

I will be chewing my fingernails for Froome all day tomorrow...

ariadneoliver Sat 13-Jul-13 19:36:37

Frosty if you have an ipad there's always the Eurosport app, itv player and the cycling news tour tracker. It's bound to be on Spanish tv though. smile

No Ipad sadly, the place we're staying has CANAL satellite so I'm hoping it will be there somewhere. I'll have to find it before they get to Paris next week!

prettybird Sat 13-Jul-13 21:06:55

You could always subscribe to Eurosport. It's a rolling £2.99 (I think) a month subscription - but you can cancel at any time ie after the Tour - that's how we watched last year when we were in Greece. smile

NicholasTeakozy Sat 13-Jul-13 21:30:18

I think if the field is together at the bottom of the final climb tomorrow Froome will win it. Not the Tour, just the stage. There are probably better climbers but there are what, 3 Cat4 and 1 Cat3 climb tomorrow? Valverde, Contador and Quintana will attack, probably on the final climb and Froome will blow them away. Again.

prettybird Sat 13-Jul-13 21:48:14

It's exciting fascinating isn't it?! grin

ariadneoliver Sun 14-Jul-13 08:55:24

Looks like its on TVE frosty

ariadneoliver Sun 14-Jul-13 09:00:25

I hope Froome does it (because I don't see anyone from OPQS now winning the GC), I'm a bit worried about the lack of support with Sky being two riders down and Richie Porte being off form.

HowGoodIsThat Sun 14-Jul-13 10:29:18

Its getting surprisingly tense, isn't it? Having been a bit ambivalent about Froomey, I find myself hovering anxiously. Is it the classic swing of support to the possible under-dog, lone man fight to the finish?

The day before yesterday when Froome lost that minute due to the eschalons was amazing. DH & I rewatched it in full last night and it was gripping - high speed chess.

We have friends staying tonight who have no interest in cycling whatsoever - they are going to have to watch Ventoux regardless.

Panonabike Sun 14-Jul-13 10:37:04

In case you've missed it, as well as Mark Renshaw signing for OPQ, they announced yesterday that Petachi is also joining afer 1st August. He was fed up being responsible for being the sprinter and will act as Cav's lead out man with Renshaw. Quite a little band of bad brothers amassing. Room for Wiggo? (he's got to go somewhere.)

LostInWales Sun 14-Jul-13 12:24:39

That sounds awesome grin. Can't have Wiggo though or we'll end up with the GC/sprints confusion of last year. I like the idea of Wiggo for Green Edge (sudden memory of jumping up and going YAY when 'call me maybe' came on at a BBQ last night blush none of my friends had a clue what I was going on about. I'm hanging out with the wrong people.)

Can't watch today, darling bil rode up Ventoux a couple of years ago and he started to cry 1k from the finish and sobbed all the way to the top. It's one of my favourite stories about him. grin But I can't look at the place at the moment, too, too sad that he will never do it again.

prettybird Sun 14-Jul-13 12:38:10

I'll think of your BIL LostinWales while I am watching and send him positive vibes smile

LostInWales Sun 14-Jul-13 12:57:02

Thank you prettybird, DH has gone up to visit him but the boys don't want to go so we are going to the cinema so I can avoid it on the telly. DH has instructions to tell him about the tour so far and tell him about Cav's win in the breakaway, that will make him happy. Poor DH left the house repeating 'Kittel, Kittel' under his breath wink I'm going to text one of his friends who are at the tour and see if they will bring me back a pebble or something to give to him.

Panonabike Sun 14-Jul-13 14:33:58

"and Chavanel is leading from the front."

Gigondas Sun 14-Jul-13 15:18:34

Sits on hands til everyone has seen today.

ariadneoliver Sun 14-Jul-13 15:24:40

I am gripped, thank goodness it's too hot to be in the garden. smile

DramaAlpaca Sun 14-Jul-13 16:55:42

LostInWales that would be lovely if someone could bring a souvenir back from Ventoux for your BIL. I hope he is doing better.

Oh wow, what a stage today!! Will come back later when everyone has seen it.

NicholasTeakozy Sun 14-Jul-13 19:15:48

Watching the highlights on ITV4 now.

gindrinker Sun 14-Jul-13 20:47:09

That was a bit exciting.

NicholasTeakozy Mon 15-Jul-13 08:13:55

Bloody mobile internet decided to give up on me. Anyway, how good was that? And can we have a smug git emoticon?

ariadneoliver Mon 15-Jul-13 09:50:16

It was brilliant Froome really stamped his authority on that race. I did feel a bit sorry for Quintana though

NicholasTeakozy Mon 15-Jul-13 10:01:55

<polishes lapel> grin

DramaAlpaca Mon 15-Jul-13 10:30:53

What an amazing show of strength that was from Froome. Kennaugh and Porte were total stars yesterday.

I had a feeling that was Froome's plan - in his interview before the race he said something to the effect that riders would be looking to make a decisive break on the Ventoux, and that is exactly what he did in devastating fashion. It was stunning to watch.

I thought Froome might let Quintana take the stage, but Quintana had given all he had & couldn't keep his wheel. He's a brilliant young rider with a great future & we will certainly see more of him in the future.

HowGoodIsThat Mon 15-Jul-13 12:24:51

Well, I am glad I name-changed - it says it all really!

I honestly thought Froome was going to keel over - following Porte, he looked white as a sheet. My DH was convinced he was bluffing - and then the attack happened. Those last kms were agonizing. Didn't Froome say that he didn't actually attack Quintana at the end - the younger rider just faded.

Contador actually looks human and fallible for once.

DramaAlpaca Mon 15-Jul-13 12:55:37

I read somewhere else that Contador isn't as good since he turned vegetarian! wink

Froome had to be given oxygen at the end of the stage, and by the look of Quintana so did he. Poor lad had to be helped off his bike. He'd given absolutely everything.

I might have to go back to my YellowJersey nickname soon!

ariadneoliver Mon 15-Jul-13 13:57:10

This week's rest day fun a walk down memory lane from last year.

ivykaty44 Mon 15-Jul-13 16:59:56

I thought it was so lovely that when asked what Froome said to Quintana, he said he tried to boost his moral and he worked with him, sportsmanship at its best smile

Panonabike Mon 15-Jul-13 18:08:45

ivykaty do you really think that the words used by The Froominator to Quintana were 'words of encouragement'? My mystical powers tell me otherwise. shock

ivykaty44 Mon 15-Jul-13 21:11:27

I am very cynical in life but sometimes it is pleasant not to be cynical - especially when I don't need to be smile

complexnumber Mon 15-Jul-13 21:22:19

I know next to nothing about cycling in any form, but I did find myself watching the highlights of the T de F today (straight after The Professionals)

I was rather taken aback by the spectators, they were chasing after the bikes screaming encouragement (I assume) surely this cannot be safe.

I noticed one waving what seemed to be a large potato. Is there some symbolism that I have missed here? Or the other bloke carrying a stuffed pig under his arm.

Panonabike Mon 15-Jul-13 21:29:40

Just back from shopping and picked up Wiggo's 'My Time' and 'The Secret Race' from Hamilton and Coyle, if only for the fact one of them could be a relative of mine by name.
complex - it's wonderfully weird isn't it? Sometimes it's best to just sit back and say 'okaaaay'. But yes tour riding is an extreme sport in most senses, and the dangers from the adoring crowds who can get a bit too close ( as well as their dogs) is a feature of it.

NicholasTeakozy Mon 15-Jul-13 22:21:42

Thursday is the real killer test: twice up Alpe D'Huez. Fuck me, once is more than enough. In a lifetime. This is twice in one day! shock

The next couple of days before Alpe D'Huez are going to be interesting. A couple of decent climbs before a downhill finish is just ripe for a breakaway. Followed by a hilly time trial, which might just play into Froomes hands. Fun times ahead.

prettybird Mon 15-Jul-13 22:59:40

Mum and Dad cycled Alpe d'Huez about 10 years ago, on the way back from a canal holiday. smile

Panonabike Mon 15-Jul-13 23:21:00
DramaAlpaca Mon 15-Jul-13 23:25:09

Panonabike Hamilton's The Secret Race is shocking, a real eye-opener on what went on in the Armstrong era.

I haven't read Wiggo's book yet, but will get round to it soon.

I tried to order Sean Kelly's book Hunger on Amazon - it was sold out! When it's published next month I'm also going to get Sean Yates' book for the inside story of Team Sky during the Tour last year & the Froome/Wiggins rivalry. Should be a very interesting read.

Panonabike Tue 16-Jul-13 08:02:02

DA,I'd flicked through it and no, LA doesn't come out of it well at all, not even as a human being.
Work day all day, so using my special powers as a Time Lord, I have posted ""Sylvain Chavanel is leading at the front again" at 2.20pm later today.hmm

Panonabike Tue 16-Jul-13 21:33:42

quiet day on Le Tour?

Thought Froomey was a bit unfair on Conta and his crash. As CB says he didn't have to go with him and tbh I'm not seeing how Contador forced Froome off the road. He seemed to have it under control then sort of slid off the road.

LostInWales Tue 16-Jul-13 21:55:25

Sorry, accidentally went to the beach for 5 hours this afternoon and missed all the tour stuff. It's just a hard life round here. I thought Froome looked almost, maybe, as if he might smile in the post race interview. Was the most emotion I have ever seen on the man. Contador looks like a man both pissed off and a bit scared. Loved the comment up thread that he is slower now he is vegetarian wink.

Lance does not come out at all well in the Hamilton book, although I keep having to put down the Wegelius book at the moment because I keep wanting to say 'for gods sake man stop whinging all the time' interesting as it is to get an insight into the life of a domestique.

I have driven up the Alpe d'Huez and once was enough for me! It was the day before a stage though and possibly a bit more manic than you would expect on a normal day. I got serenaded by a drunk dutchman on karaoke at about 2pm, I think the dutch are drunk for about three days solid for that stage.

Panonabike Tue 16-Jul-13 21:56:22
HowGoodIsThat Tue 16-Jul-13 22:35:08

I LOVE Jens. <sighs>

EndoplasmicReticulum Tue 16-Jul-13 22:44:31

Jens needs to write a book.

NicholasTeakozy Tue 16-Jul-13 22:53:39

Portes was amazing again today. Getting Froome and Contador back to Quintana was a stunning bit of riding. Froome was a bit arsey about Contador trying to break away on the descent. Of course he's going to try it, it's The Tour!

I think tomorrow Froome will win the time trial, then Thursday it's open season. Everyone and his cat will attack. If Froome and Team Sky can mitigate that and overhaul them he deserves the win. Given his prowess so far in the mountains I think he'll do it.

DramaAlpaca Wed 17-Jul-13 00:04:24

I would read Jens' book. I'm sure he's got lots of interesting stories to tell.

Porte was amazing on the Ventoux & also today, what a star that man is.

I am wondering about trying to wangle a day off work on Thursday so I can watch the Alpe d'Huez stage... It's certain to be a nail-biter, and I can't wait!

Gigondas Wed 17-Jul-13 11:16:10

I am sure he has tho he lost the plot on twitter on the rest day taking photos of nissans as was nostalgic for days they were a sponsor. grin

Panonabike Wed 17-Jul-13 20:16:31

Interview with Jensie today, who still has a family to feed...

Seriously thinking of recording the race tomorrow and not just relying on highlights. Too thrilling to miss, n'est-ce pas?

NicholasTeakozy Wed 17-Jul-13 20:55:35

I think you're right Pan, tomorrow is too exciting to dismiss as a one hour highlight package. I have stuff to do but can (hopefully) get back by 3 to watch the denouement.

ariadneoliver Wed 17-Jul-13 21:28:24

Definitely record it. I've been lucky to be working at home for quite a few days of the tour, but when I'm not I record it and stay away from the results for the rest of the day. It nearly went horribly wrong when I had an evening do to go to and I got behind. Thank goodness for the rest days.

mummytime Wed 17-Jul-13 21:38:18

DH rode up the Alpe d'Huez today. He'll be somewhere in the crowd tomorrow.

LostInWales Wed 17-Jul-13 21:41:29

Wow, fair play to DH, that is NOT an easy ride (or drive, as I keep pointing out, the drive has scared me for life wink)

The children can pick themselves up from school can't they? I don't want to miss a thing.

DramaAlpaca Wed 17-Jul-13 21:43:19

I'm going to record it & try to get home from work early. Tomorrow is not to be missed!

LostInWales Wed 17-Jul-13 21:45:33

Poor, poor Cav, he can't much be looking forward to tomorrow. Although as the coverage pointed out today, it's no harder really than climbing Huez after any other peake. It's just mentally it feels like it grin

Froome looked so happy today. I love my children, to a boy they were shouting 'look, Froomie is smiling' at the TV. Then looking at BMC the 6 year old said, 'is that bum face? Is he crying yet?' and I realised I was doing a pretty awesome job at this parenting lark wink.

Panonabike Wed 17-Jul-13 22:05:57

Last year the ITV boys repeated "and they are just tapping out a rhythm at the front" and haven't said that once this year. I came to rely on it whilst climbing a long boring slope home, after already riding for an hour.

I've had to go back to my Catholic roots as an alternative. So the said long boring slope now takes 40 Hail Marys, to go from bottom to top. And I feel blessed and cleansed in the bargain.grin

Panonabike Wed 17-Jul-13 22:14:51

I think Jens Voigt has more testosterone than he knows what to do with.

EndoplasmicReticulum Wed 17-Jul-13 22:36:28

I'm going to watch some live tomorrow, but yes those pesky children need collecting from school.

Cavendish tweeted that he had to poo in a field yesterday.

HowGoodIsThat Thu 18-Jul-13 08:04:05

Jens Voigt for Mayor of the Universe in General! grin

I love all the tactical discussion about the bike changes - marginal gains, people! Did you see that Sky were the only team to take on musettes at the foot of Ventoux? The race gave dispensation for that to happen and only Sky did it.

Today is going to be immense. I am wondering if I can get away with playing on one screen while I work on the other...

NicholasTeakozy Thu 18-Jul-13 08:09:32

Bumface is Cadel Evans isn't he? He was slower than Cav in yesterdays time trial. I almost felt sorry for him. Almost.

prettybird Thu 18-Jul-13 08:21:09

Cadel is not having a good race is he? I think this is one of those years he just has to write off, get to the Champs Élysées and next year is a another year.

DramaAlpaca Thu 18-Jul-13 13:59:25

It looks like Cadel may be getting towards the end of his career. He said earlier in the Tour it's the worst he's performed when fit. I do feel quite sorry for him actually, he comes across as a really nice guy.

I've managed to arrange to have the day off today, so am watching the race live. The early stages were absolutely frantic & very exciting.

I'm going to stay away from this thread now until everyone's had a chance to catch up.

LostInWales Thu 18-Jul-13 14:06:21

Old bum face Cadel is getting old, I think he's nearly as old as me shock. He is just such a whiner, he was getting better for a while but he's not having a very good year. Didn't realise he was slower than Cav in the TT though. Haaaaaaaaaa. He'll get the last laugh today when he laps Cav on Huez though wink

I swear Chavanel has bribed the commentators to mention his name loads, glad it's not a drinking game or I'd never see the end of the stages.

ANother vote for Voigt for life president of the world grin.

BringMeTea Thu 18-Jul-13 15:16:53

Allez Froomey! Stay calm..... Exciting stage today. Lucky to be able to watch it. Not in France like....

ariadneoliver Thu 18-Jul-13 15:33:20

Poor Christophe Riblon, that's just the sort of thing that would happen to me. (Won't spoil it for the highlights watchers and he wasn't hurt)

prettybird Thu 18-Jul-13 16:17:54


prettybird Thu 18-Jul-13 16:39:52

(BTW - that's not a spoiler - that was a real time reaction to the unfolding events! grin)

NicholasTeakozy Thu 18-Jul-13 16:49:15

Well, that was a fascinating race, rather like chess on 354 wheels. Assuming the are still 177 riders left of course.

ariadneoliver Thu 18-Jul-13 16:57:43

Great race, well worth the hours I devoted to it. grin

LostInWales Thu 18-Jul-13 17:37:38

Sorry, I was on +1 due to unreasonable children wanting to play in the sunshine hmm.

Wow, that was brilliant, I'm a bit tired from watching! I'll be back to discuss later so no spoilers from me. I may be a bit tipsy later too, so that should be fun wink.

Panonabike Thu 18-Jul-13 21:35:43

Cav is just coming in now.grin

EndoplasmicReticulum Thu 18-Jul-13 22:40:47

I only watched live until 3pm - forgot about plus one. So it's possible to watch live, go to pick children up, then plus one when you get back. Assuming school run takes under an hour, and that your children will leave you alone and let you watch.

Live coverage starts at 10 tomorrow.

Husband has pointed me in direction of Guardian commentary thread thing which has some interesting snippets, like the Jens anecdote in particular:

Panonabike Thu 18-Jul-13 23:01:16

I recorded Eurosports and fast fwded through much of the boring bits when I got home once Sky had established the peleton and were happy to let the escapees go.
But what a stage. I'm knackered just watching it. I need a rest day after that.

DramaAlpaca Thu 18-Jul-13 23:49:57

That was an exciting stage alright.

The French must be very happy they finally have a stage winner. I felt so sorry for Van Garderen, he must've been gutted when Riblon came whizzing past him. Those crowds were a bit mad!

Once again, amazing work from Richie Porte. Both himself & Froome were given a 20 second penalty & fined €140 for the gel bar incident. I shouldn't think they minded one little bit!

ariadneoliver Fri 19-Jul-13 12:24:45

Riblon was so emotional on the podium it was touching to watch. When the French get a Tour winner again it'll be like Murray winning Wimbledon

Panonabike Fri 19-Jul-13 18:04:50

The Tyler Hamilton book is a real eye-opener. A most telling comment so far was that most riders want to win. Armstrong just had to win at all costs.
Also it hasn't been said yet, but it has to be a team effort. There was no sense for US Postal to just have one rider doping.

Panonabike Fri 19-Jul-13 18:10:04

He also dispels the belief that it 'was a level playing field because everyone was at it', which it certainly wasn't.

LostInWales Fri 19-Jul-13 19:24:01

No, it was very interesting reading about the different 'levels' of doping and attention, I read it a while ago now (and have a hopelessly short memory span) but I almost get the feeling that there was a jealousy and a need to be one of the 'elite' group that got to go out for the top of the range doping, rather than the run of the mill pills etc. The fact that riders sometimes got other peoples blood and occasionally 'off' blood is chilling. It was a fantastic book though. Unlike Wegelius' whinge fest <eyes unfinished book sadly>.

ivykaty44 Fri 19-Jul-13 21:36:43

team sky car ice box fell over and the water (melted ice) went through the electrics in the car, meaning that the car wasn't in the correct position to dish out food and drink and the correct place between down mt and up mt - so thus running out of fuel - well thats what I was told...

Panonabike Fri 19-Jul-13 22:50:49

okaaay. The olde 'melted ice fecking up the electrics excuse'. Cynical? Moi?

Kidding. You learn something new every tour don't you? re sustenance-giving rules now. Didn't know that.

Panonabike Fri 19-Jul-13 22:52:44

Doesn't Corsica, and the bus under the gantry feel a very long time away?

ariadneoliver Fri 19-Jul-13 23:02:47

I haven't read the Tyler Hamilton book, but for a detailed and readable look at doping try David Walsh from Lance to Landis.

YY to Corsica feeling a long way off. Still 2 more days then roll on the Vuelta!

Panonabike Fri 19-Jul-13 23:06:12

ariadne that book gets a mention in the TH book blurb.

Bastard friends want to go out on Sunday evening. Bastards. It's a conspiracy.grin

TheSmallClanger Fri 19-Jul-13 23:11:02

They seriously need their team cars looking at, if water/ice/whatever split inside the car made its way through the bulkhead and into the bonnet space where the fuses and wiring loom live...

Still, I think that the penalty yesterday to Froome was rather harsh and directed. It wasn't him who went back to the car - although there are rules about fetching food from the car, there are none about where you can and can't eat. If he had been hoarding flapjacks in his back pocket since the start, they wouldn't have been able to do anything.

DramaAlpaca Fri 19-Jul-13 23:24:53

David Walsh's book From Lance to Landis is worth reading. David Walsh also has a new book out now about how his crusade to prove Armstrong was doping.

The stage today wasn't the most exciting - I think everyone was wrecked after the double d'Huez yesterday. Rui Costa did a fine, tactical race today. I was hoping Pierre Rolland would hang on for the win, but he has a good chance of the polka dot jersey tomorrow.

I heard that part of the reason Froome got the penalty was because he was only able to get the car to him at that stage of the race by putting up his arm suggesting he had a mechanical. Then of course it became clear that there was in fact nothing wrong with his bike because he sent Porte back for the gels. I think the team took a calculated gamble that the time penalty would be less than what he might lose on the stage if he didn't take on board some gels.

There has also been some muttering about Contador changing his bike part way through the stage yesterday when he heard that there was to be a bike weight check at the end of the stage. If that was so, the organisers would have tracked down the bike Contador had been using.

There are conspiracy theories everywhere it seems.

ariadneoliver Fri 19-Jul-13 23:31:25

Pan that's dreadful. Is there time to fall out with them so you can have a diva strop and not go? grin

TheSmallClanger Fri 19-Jul-13 23:32:31

They did say something about a random weight check yesterday. Not sure what came of it.

I really don't like Alberto Contador and I'm not sure why. It must be something to do with the drugs ban, but I can also imagine him being a right bastard to the domestiques. And he always seems to be reacting to someone else's success or action, he never chases it from the beginning.

ariadneoliver Fri 19-Jul-13 23:32:41

Drama thanks, I'll see if I can get a sample for the kindle.

Panonabike Fri 19-Jul-13 23:33:21

yes I also didn't know about the minimum weight for bikes until we saw Quintana's bike being hauled off for weighing. I think they said 8kg minimum. Mines is 12 kg. No wonder I'll never make a Tour. Another conspiracy.grin

DramaAlpaca Fri 19-Jul-13 23:34:57

Minimum is 6.8kg.

Mine is so heavy I can't get up any hills!

Panonabike Fri 19-Jul-13 23:35:21

oh I can diva strop with the best of them! But no, it's a matter of gentle negotiation this time.

TheSmallClanger Fri 19-Jul-13 23:39:18

6.8kg is a fat cat or a small dog!

Panonabike Fri 19-Jul-13 23:46:17

A few days ago I did think that Contador might even challenge on Versailles to Paris IF the time gap was close enough. Just wouldn't put it past him. I think the last time there was an authentic challenge on the last stage was in the 1980s. Might be wrong.

DramaAlpaca Fri 19-Jul-13 23:56:36

There was speculation on Eurosport today that there may be challenges for the minor podium places on Sunday if there are still only a few seconds between the guys challenging for them after tomorrow's stage.

Froome is probably safe from challenges as long as he gets through tomorrow OK. I hope he does, I've got to quite like him & I think he's conducted himself very well throughout the race (well, apart from Gel-Gate maybe, but I can understand why he did that).

Oh, also heard that Argos Shimano & Lotto Belisol have both had riders abandon the race, which means that Kittel & Greipel will both be short of a lead-out man on Sunday and that might help Cav...

Panonabike Sat 20-Jul-13 00:10:53

That's a thought. If the podium places are up for grabs, would that mean the peleton/av speed rises and that takes out the energy of the sprinters?

DramaAlpaca Sat 20-Jul-13 00:15:42

I guess we'll find out on Sunday. Can't wait!

Panonabike Sat 20-Jul-13 14:32:04

Jensie is as mad as a bag of frogs which have been treated with an enhanced maddening serum.

It has been an excellent Tour this year. I have looked at some of the mountain stages and wondered whether the course setters actually like bike riders at all!

Chris Froome is an amazing rider, and actually nicer and more sportsmanlike than Sir Widdly Baggins Bradley Wiggins.

"Jensie is as mad as a bag of frogs which have been treated with an enhanced maddening serum." - I like that, Panonabike!! grin

canutesauntie Sat 20-Jul-13 19:41:52

De-lurking to say I found this thread late on but have been thrilled there are fellow tour anoraks on MN!
Want to say a BIG thank you to whoever posted the link to Backstage Pass, OG are my new favourite team and they drive subarus. Couldnt see Brailsford chucking inflatable guitars out of the jag window.
Today was not the right result they were all b*st*rds for attacking and depriving the very wonderful Jensie of his win.
Looking forward to the late night finish tomorrow & fingers crossed for Caaaav.
Will look for you all earlier next year. grin

TheSmallClanger Sat 20-Jul-13 21:48:38

I hope Cav thrashes Borat on the last stage.

EndoplasmicReticulum Sat 20-Jul-13 22:10:09

Awww, they should have let Jens win the stage. Wouldn't have made any difference really.

Panonabike Sun 21-Jul-13 08:27:21

According to @jensie the reverse of the 'I'm motherfucking Jens Voigt' reads "selfbelief beyond reason".

Panonabike Sun 21-Jul-13 08:42:33

As an hors d'oeuvre before Cav mashing up Sagan later - Cav's breath-taking win in 2010. Last 1km starts around 9mins in

Off to work on my friend's garden as penance for not going out later. She's French, and doesn't 'do' Le Tour. How does that work?

Panonabike Sun 21-Jul-13 17:10:27
Panonabike Sun 21-Jul-13 19:29:46

<looks over shoulder for the MN peleton>

Doesn't Paris look absolutely beautuful?

I'm right here, Panonabike, and you are right - Paris is looking gorgeous - though I did grin when the commentator said he wished he had prepared more notes on the history and architecture of Versailles!

And Cav has had a puncture - better now than later on!

Panonabike Sun 21-Jul-13 19:42:24


I just wish they'd stop the tv adverts getting in the way.

ariadneoliver Sun 21-Jul-13 19:54:50

It's about now that I'm wishing I was there to savour the atmosphere. let's hope nothing like this happens

mayaswell Sun 21-Jul-13 19:56:42

Le sigh...

On TOP of the Arc de Triomphe! How parfait!

LostInWales Sun 21-Jul-13 20:03:24

It looks wonderful I am grin a bit at what Froomie must be thinking of his flourescent sparkles he has sewn on. I have had photo's on my FB feed all day from cycling club friends who are out there. I think they waited since this morning to get a good place at the barriers, looks boiling hot out there.

Millar is rocking though. Impossible I know but I'd love it if he just got away and won! Better than Cav being beaten by Kittel on the line anyway. I have this strange fantasy that Sky will ride for Cav as well and he will be borne to the finish line by a double sided lead out grin.

Panonabike Sun 21-Jul-13 20:14:27

Had no idea The Froominator was a disco tart.

LostInWales Sun 21-Jul-13 20:17:48

Oh yes, anyone who is a true tour aficionado knew all about it. wink Open secret amongst the peloton.