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SEN nanny

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dianasrainbow Thu 01-May-14 02:29:51

So after working as a SEN TA in London for 3 years, 2 years as an SEN Teacher overseas, a degree in Education Sciences with a specialism in Autism i am now thinking to become a nanny/tutor/early intervention therapist for children with ASD. The only thing is ...i dont't seem to find parents that are looking for a nanny for their child with Autism. Any idea why? Where should i look? I just don't get it. There are loads of ads from parents/agencies looking for nannies but only a few looking for a nanny for someone with Autism.

MiscellaneousAssortment Fri 02-May-14 02:23:09

I wonder if you could pick up some work experience, interacting with a wide variety of children with sn and their families?

It feels like you have a gap you just need a bit of real world experience to plug it.

You have lots of academic/ learnt knowledge, and teaching experience, which will stand you on good stead. But you need to fill in two gaps as i see it:

1. working with a family (vs in a classroom/ non home environment)

2. the reality of the UK context - medical and community support/ or absence of, all the different hoops parents have to jump through to get a diagnosis, statementing, and the various bodies that parents will be engaging with on a daily basis, from social services to councils and schools etc

zzzzz Thu 01-May-14 20:48:52

You do seem very defensive. I can't see how you are going to "get anything" out of a thread like this unless you are more focused in your questions and respond to queries with a view to exploring what it is you really want to know?

I think most of us are a bit baffled rather than heated.

I wouldn't employ you based on what you have said purely because I can't work out where you are coming from or where you want to go. My life is far to busy to deal with this sort of nonsense inside my home. You need to be much more direct, honest and transparent.

The market you are planning to pitch to, are incredibly vulnerable, over stretched both emotionally and financially and cannot afford mistakes. The wrong person interacting with our children can drag them back years.

None of us take this lightly, do things based on what we "like", we are overrun with people with "good intentions". There isn't a more difficult audience to be honest. Perhaps focus on nt children where perhaps the parents are looking for something more generic.

The trouble is, quite honestly, good intentions are not what anyone wants or needs.

People want outcomes for their children. Evidence-based outcomes preferably, with efficacy that enables families to spend their time together having fun, not therapists that come in and have fun with their kids leaving all of the 'work' to them.

SCERTS has no evidence-base. SALT has no evidence-base either for that matter. Teach my child how to not masturbate in public as fast as you can, as effectively as you can an I will take him to the park for a picnic.

I am desperate for a nanny who has experience of SN and disability. I've basically given up looking as I thought they didn't exist!

dianasrainbow Thu 01-May-14 20:14:17

After reading my posts I would agree that I am in a defensive mood which makes me come across quite unfavourable but I do assure you that my intentions are good. I am familiarising myself with the impact of disability on the family, hence the questions, which sound really naive but were meant to get as much info as possible.

dianasrainbow Thu 01-May-14 20:11:06

I did not mean that it's not my favourite approach based on what i personally like but based on how most children I have worked with react to it as opposed to other therapies.

This is going nowhere really...

So I am going to thank you all again for you input and I will stop following this thread.

MiscellaneousAssortment Thu 01-May-14 20:06:59

Like others on this thread, I'm surprised and concerned that you don't have the understanding of the impact of disability on the family unit.

One of the absolute essentials of being a sn nanny is an understanding of the reality of family life, for the whole family, not just the child. If you are serious anout becoming a sn nanny, i would do some research on this by reading blogs, the sn boards on here, as a matter of priority.

SNAP is a very good agency that specializes in sn nannies, carers, physios etc. mainly in London but to service other areas too. They do rigorous interviews and references, and personal matching to families. I would warn you though, that if you'd have come over as you have on this thread, they're highly unlikely to have you on their books.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, I do understand that one or two posts that came over badly don't mean anything, so maybe you have loads of empathy and expertise that's just not coming across. I guess it's a helpful learning about what people will be watching out for at interview smile

'it's just not my favourite approach.'

Because clearly therapy is done for the benefit of the therapist hmm

What debate?

Very few parents on this site have ABA tutors.

Have you considered community farming?

zzzzz Thu 01-May-14 19:59:54

What debate? confused

What a really odd thread.

dianasrainbow Thu 01-May-14 19:59:08

I have found the link to be very useful.

dianasrainbow Thu 01-May-14 19:56:56

Ok...things are becoming a bit heated so let's just leave it at that. This could be debated for years.

My question was not about ABA. Not every parent wants to follow a strict ABA protocol with their child. I don't have anything against it, it's just not my favourite approach. Research is very important but data can be interpreted in so many ways that it's sometimes irrelevant. Plus...with autism you never know what progress comes naturally with age/development or with the actual intervention. Let's just agree to disagree.

Thank you for your answers. They have given me some insight.

zzzzz Thu 01-May-14 19:40:41

Would something like this help you gain a little insight?

zzzzz Thu 01-May-14 19:33:09

Well even an "affluent family" is going to feel the impact of a family member who won't achieve independence. Presumably you have some idea of the cost of therapy, how would that not impact family finances?

Average income in UK is about £26000.

Which bit of ABA theory do you find difficult?

'Any other ideas...keep them coming.'

Are you for real?

At what stage do you find parents not interested in what you have to offer?

So what research does the SCERTS model have supporting it?

And in what way is ABA a one-size fits all?

dianasrainbow Thu 01-May-14 19:23:50

I know what ABA costs, i have worked as an ABA tutor believe it or not, did research and 1 year of intensive training. I am asking because i'm trying to see what i'm missing here. Yes, i have worked for quite wealthy families and probably this is why I don't know all about the financial struggles. Also, me not being British means that Im not very familiar with what social/financial help the families get. In England I have worked as a Teaching Assistant so again, i didn't deal with the financial aspect of things.

I don't believe in "curing" or "normalising" children with autism, I believe in equipping them to cope with day to day life but i also believe in modifying the environment, not only the child. I don't believe in a "one size fits all" type of approach. As someone once said "Autism is not a processing error, it's an entirely different operating system".

My favourite approach is the SCERTS model but that is not to say that I don't use ABA-like techniques. I just don't like the theory behind it.

Ok, thanks everyone. Any other ideas...keep them coming.

zzzzz Thu 01-May-14 19:06:15

What form does your early intervention take?

I a bit confused that on the face of it you have 5 years hands on experience educating children with SEN, yet don't seem to have the slightest inkling of your charges life experience? Surely you were aware of the cost of your time as an ABA tutor?


Have you your own ideas about 'helping' children with asd?

chocgalore Thu 01-May-14 18:56:17

having a disabled child means usually a lot less income (often 1 parent has to give up work or at least reduce hours a lot) plus the extra cost of raising a child with SN (therapies, equipment, etc).

what exactly is your expertise in regards to teaching children with autism?

shock Missed that.

Yes. If the family, with NT kids as well, had committed to mortgage/rent that required an income of two and one had to give up work then they would struggle.

If the other person IN work has promotion prospects reduced because he/she has been taking a lot of time off and not been able to demonstrate their worth, then they have lost opportunities.

Families are tied to the location where their children have won provision that they might have spent years fighting for, and cannot relocate for work or opportunities.

Parents of children with ASD have an 80% chance of splitting up, making their costs between them double in accommodation.

Children with ASD and other disabilities are more likely to break things in frustration, anger, misunderstanding. Things need replacing.

Children with disabilities are likely to require nappies, families to pay for online delivery to avoid supermarkets, have specialist expensive diets, need expensive therapy not available on the NHS without waiting lists years long, need their own room, increase transport costs as they can't use buses, increase childcare costs for the other children so that the family can get them to a different school/activity/therapy from their siblings etc......

I could probably go on forever.............

I know you said you were an SEN professional, but I'm very concerned you don't know all of this.

zzzzz Thu 01-May-14 18:39:39

Would they be tighter then for a family with NT kids?

shock erm yes! shock

'I'm not all that much into ABA as i believe in a more relaxed, open-minded approach whilst keeping routine and structure.'

Are you sure you've worked as an ABA tutor? Have you read the research on it (and other interventions)?

dianasrainbow Thu 01-May-14 18:34:15

Thank you everyone. I wouldn't think that a nanny would charge more for ca child with sen. Why do you say finances are tight with a disabled child? Would they be tighter then for a family with NT kids?

Im not all that much into ABA as i believe in a more relaxed, open-minded approach whilst keeping routine and structure. I have worked as an ABA tutor but whilst it has got it's place in behaviour modification there are some other approaches out there that i find to be better.

chocgalore Thu 01-May-14 16:51:27

irgnore my spelling blush

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