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Can't do this again :( :(

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Nicknameinvalid Sun 15-Sep-13 21:40:55

Backstory: DC (aged 8) has ASD, he is medicated for anxiety and after a long fight was settled in mainstream school - by fight I mean I basically lived at the school for early pick up's etc.

Last 2 years he's had an amazing amazing teacher - had no prior knowledge of ASD which if I'm honest worked well as she had no expectations and worked with ds as an individual not a label..

Cue this year.. We have been back at school for 2 weeks - ds is a WRECK.. He's melting down daily, screaming fits, self harming etc.. I'm at my wits end.. This is going to sound awful but he's bordering on feral at the moment on school days - he spent 4 hours trashing his room, absolutely hysterical, threatening to kill people.. I honestly thought we were going to have to get him sedated..

Last Friday I spoke to DS's teacher and begged asked what could be done.. It then turns out that ALL of ds's support has been withdrawn.. All of it - he is being treated as a NT child in a typical environment.. There reasoning? In his class are 8 (neurotypical) children that are considered behind and so the TA is working with them solely to bring them to where they need to be..

I'm fucking livid.. DS last year had 15 hours of 1:1 (1:5 on occasion for table work) but was the focus of the 1:5 if that makes sense?

Ds's teacher says that KS2 you don't get as much support? How is this possible? The bastard head teacher assured me last year that this very thing would not happen and that we didn't need to apply for a statement for DS as 'they only issue statements for over 16hours and DS is managing very well with what school is able to provide' what the fuckwit didn't tell me was that it might all change!!

I am now pending a meeting whereby I should find out this week if they have 'allocated him' extra hours.. Meanwhile I will just rock my hysterical child some more shall I? angry

Actually I'm not angry, I'm absolutely devestated - I'm literally watching every ounce of work me and his last teacher put it just disappear and with it my little boy who was coping with mainstream.

God that ended up long! Sorry sad I just don't know anyone else who will 'get it'

WetAugust Tue 17-Sep-13 18:53:02

So you can see that even a teacher is concerned - not just us.

TBH 3 weeks time is ridiculous to wait before making the application for a Statement. You could do it yourself this evening in about an hour.

The support was not withdrawn with heads consent or knowledge and he was very unhappy about it

I simply don't believe that statement at all. Who did remove the support if it was not the Head that did so? If it was the LA the Head should have complained. In a junior school there is no doubt at all that a Head would know if support was being withdrawn. if not they are not doing their job at all angry

Sorry - you've made progress which is great but they are hardly leaping off their arses to sort it out - I see more stalling going on here.

Trigglesx Tue 17-Sep-13 18:55:24

Passing the buck, really. I would be tempted to demand to know who specifically authorised withdrawal of the support, in the guise of making sure it doesn't happen again.

Nicknameinvalid Tue 17-Sep-13 19:07:26

Ok let me see if I can answer some of the questions/queries..

HT stated that he had authorised full time TA to ds's class, under the assumption that Ds would get the same support that he had last year (I know from ds's previous teacher that this was handed over fully), the teacher has also got 8 children whom are working at a significantly lower level than the rest of the class (think 2 years), the TA has been told to oversee this group for the entirety of her hours to bring them 'up to where they need to be'. According to HT he was not aware of this instruction.. And is unhappy about it.

The statement is being done over the next few weeks, I'm just signing it off on that date to agree to it being done.. Tbh I'm ok with the 3 weeks - it's going to take months anyway and so 3 weeks but being seen as 'supportive' of the school is probably going to work more in my favour than making enemies already...

Erm.. What else? Oh yes the supply teacher (well she's a regular teacher but teaches a specific subject in ds's class,. It happens to be a subject ds is especially good at and so I suspect she sees the 'best of him' and appears much more supportive!

Yes I agree I've got my hands full - right now I want that TA back for my ds and I will fight the rest when I've got him settled.. I genuinely don't have the ability to fight for everything whilst he is still melting down everyday.. I need to get the support in class and then work on the statement etc.

I do believe the head to a point about not knowing.. I think he didn't know but likewise I think he should have known! Oh and there is a specialist TA being hired for a child within the school who had physical SN and they are considering whether they can afford her for an extra couple of hours which would also be given to ds! But tbh I take that with a pinch of salt as I suspect he would have told me anything at that point to stop me frothing at the mouth!

Smartiepants79 Tue 17-Sep-13 19:16:23

Support has been 'withdrawn' as such, just misused.
The Head has allocated a TA to the class. It just sounds like the teacher has then taken it upon themselves try and use them to support other children rather than the OPs son.

WetAugust Tue 17-Sep-13 19:20:19

The school seem to have a very haphazard and cavalier approach to SENs.

Just one little thing - you said the Statement is being done over the next 3 weeks. It's the application for a statutory assessment that may lead to a Statement that is being done over the next 3 weeks.

The LA will then consider whether to agree to school's request to undertake a statutory assessment. In order to help them decide they'll ask school for copies of his IEPs, description of his difficulties, what school has tried etc.

Then the LA will inform you and school whether it intends to carry out a Statutory assessment or not.

It may decide not to assess. In that case you will not get a Statement and will have to appeal against the decision not to assess.

If that does happen - it's only you not school who can appeal. I thought I'd better point think out.

Nicknameinvalid Tue 17-Sep-13 19:24:50

It's a very very small school (only one in the village so to speak) and they have only ever had 2 autistic children before so I am trying to give them a break in that they are learning as I am..

Thanks for the info re: statement.. God I haven't a clue about this stuff! I always thought I was reasonably smart but this makes me feel absolutely daft as a brush!

Nicknameinvalid Tue 17-Sep-13 19:30:47

Oh god I've been conned haven't I? I came away thinking that I had won and now I'm like 'shit, I got nothing!'

Smartiepants79 Wed 18-Sep-13 07:41:58

I don't think you 'got nothing' at all. You've got the support for your son reinstated and an agreement that the process for statutory assement has begun.
As I mentioned in the very first post I made, statutory assessment is a LONG process. There is lots of paper work needed to support it. You will need as many reports and as much evidence as you can muster.
The authorities don't like giving out statements as is costs them money but that doesn't mean you won't get one in the end.
The fact that it is a small school makes me even more surprised that his new teacher was so unaware of his needs. I work in a small village school and this would never have happened. I know every child, their background and what support they need and receive.
Just keep pushing for what you think he needs. Read up about the processes. And keep a close eye on what goes on in school. Record EVERYTHING, incidents, conversations etc.

Nicknameinvalid Wed 18-Sep-13 15:48:16

Another update!

Ds support is back! He has the same support level he had previously as well as his old 1:1 has now been instructed to oversee the new one for 2 weeks to ensure a smooth transition (would have been a bit more helpful to do this 3 weeks ago but...)

His teacher has also expressed regret on how things have been dealt with and stated that he is going to do some research on autism as his methods are obviously outdated - he was mortified (apparently) that the 'table' had been misconstrued so badly as he never intended for a second to isolate ds hmm

Anyway ds came out of school with a big grin and announced that 'I've got a new helper and she's really funny!!' Which is the first time in 3 weeks he hasn't come out ready to launch himself at me!!

We have progress!

Smartiepants79 Wed 18-Sep-13 16:42:44

It's interesting about the table thing. We had some training at school maybe 3-4 years ago for supporting children with ADHD. The chair thing was something they recommended including putting a sort of 'wall' around it to reduce distractions. Maybe he confused the two!!?
At least he's willing to learn and change.
Very positive I think.

Nicknameinvalid Wed 18-Sep-13 17:33:02

I suppose my issue about the wall was several things.. He was sat Completely away from his peers, he had his back to his teacher and the whiteboard and its not something he liked - if it was discussed then I would try it but for it to just be done.. It felt more like a punishment than a behavioural modification aid.

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