Here some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on SN.

'This Is My Child': come vote for the logo please

(174 Posts)
RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 09-Jul-13 10:26:48

Hello

Hopefully lots of you will be aware that we're gestating a campaign called 'This Is My Child' (you can see the background here.)

We've had two logos drawn up - and want you to tell us which you prefer.

Hearts or child? Post on the thread to let us know.

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 09-Jul-13 10:27:57

And yes you're not going mad - the images aren't in the OP yet. Tech is going to add ASAP...

RippingYarns Tue 09-Jul-13 10:34:27

grin

i can tell you now, i'd rather an image of a child than a heart

i only love my own, i wouldn't warm to the idea of 'loving' everyone elses

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 09-Jul-13 10:38:58

Thanks Ripping

<twiddles thumbs>

<pokes Tech>

TOWIELA Tue 09-Jul-13 10:44:48

Without seeing the image, I would rather a child too. Kinda-of focuses the mind as to the purpose of the campaign.

Eyesunderarock Tue 09-Jul-13 10:48:03

Loving can tip over into patronising 'Ahhh, Bless Them, Poor Little Things' rather easily.
Child.

AtYourCervix Tue 09-Jul-13 10:48:42

Child.

Hearts are twee and pinkprincessygirlytwaddle.

RippingYarns Tue 09-Jul-13 10:51:34

i was being generous when i said about loving my own, now you lot have unwittingly agreed with me i'll say it too

HEARTS shock

crikey, will they sparkle too hmm

i think we've saved tech a job wink

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 09-Jul-13 10:51:49

<looks around awkwardly>

<clears throat>

While I've got you: we'd still love some more photos for us to use as images for the campaign.

We're asking for photos of children with any sort of SN/disability/additional need and a short caption along the lines of: 'This is my child. She's twelve and she loves Star Wars' (or anything at all along those lines. Whether or not you choose to specify the child's diagnosis or condition is entirely up to you)

These will be used around the site where we're featuring the campaign.

If you'd like to take part, please send an image to contactus@mumsnet.com marked 'FAO Campaigns Team - This Is My Child'

Eyesunderarock Tue 09-Jul-13 10:53:28

Sorry Rowan, my werebear is neither photogenic, a child or willing to be identified. grin

Eyesunderarock Tue 09-Jul-13 10:55:03

What happened to the idea of a photo of a motley crew enjoying themselves and saying 'Spot the one with the disability? That's right, you can't.'

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 09-Jul-13 10:55:50

Eyesunderarock

Sorry Rowan, my werebear is neither photogenic, a child or willing to be identified. grin

grin Fair enough

I'll give it another ten minutes and then we'll have a nice game of Eye Spy

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 09-Jul-13 10:57:25

Eyesunderarock

What happened to the idea of a photo of a motley crew enjoying themselves and saying 'Spot the one with the disability? That's right, you can't.'

Ooh thanks for reminding us of this one. The logo needs to be something graphic and easily reproduced (which doesn't tend to apply to photos, however clear they are), but this is a GOOD idea that I'd forgotten about - I'll suggest adding it in to the photos we're using.

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 09-Jul-13 11:01:26

Hurrah! images in OP now

AtYourCervix Tue 09-Jul-13 11:01:42

I'll ask DD2. But not hopeful. I haven't managed to get a pic of her for years.

Eyesunderarock Tue 09-Jul-13 11:03:19

It was just the mention of photos that reminded me. DS can Pass For Normal very well indeed now, and for hours at a time. However it is merely a thick veneer that can be stripped off in an instant.
Invisible disability.

coppertop Tue 09-Jul-13 11:13:02

I prefer the one with the child.

The other one looks like the kind of thing MNHQ might use for Valentines Day. It also looks as though the baby in the logo has just produced a heart-shaped poo.

<lowers tone somewhat>

AtYourCervix Tue 09-Jul-13 11:15:28

Yes. Definitely the child.

AtYourCervix Tue 09-Jul-13 11:16:59

Just checked DDs facebook photos.

In her most recent she has fallen off a chair clutching a bottle of budweiser. Laughing hysterically. And is painted green.

Is that the sort of thing you're after?

Eyesunderarock Tue 09-Jul-13 11:18:38

DS's current expression gave me my new name. He's in transition between A levels and the world of work. Not keen. Not Keen At All.

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 09-Jul-13 11:20:53

AtYourCervix

Just checked DDs facebook photos.

In her most recent she has fallen off a chair clutching a bottle of budweiser. Laughing hysterically. And is painted green.

Is that the sort of thing you're after?

Arf. Sounds fine to us so long as she's old enough to be drinking (don't want to inadvertently kick off a storm about giving children booze)?

AtYourCervix Tue 09-Jul-13 11:22:32

I'll find a decent one and rope in DD1 too.

Spot the difference grin

tabulahrasa Tue 09-Jul-13 11:23:25

I prefer the hearts.

The photo thing is a bit trickier when you have teenagers - my DS wouldn't consent to his photo being used like that or usually to even having his photo taken at all, especially because he is of the opinion that his AS is perfectly normal and not in any way an issue, lol. (Actually he thinks the world would be a much better place if everyone had autism, quieter, rational and a bit randomly he reckons we'd have a fantastic space programme by now as well, rofl)

I think it's a great idea, but I'm not willing to do it without his consent.

AmberLeaf Tue 09-Jul-13 11:24:40

Im gonna be different and say I don't like the child image! grin

It reminds me of the pringles man.

I immediately prefered the hearts one, but reading peoples comments has made me doubt that now.

I would love to send you a pic of my boy, who is gorgeous and very photogenic, but not sure how he'd feel about it as he can be iffey about me even putting a pic of him on my [very private] facebook!

But if I explain the cause I think he may well be up for it. As long as it isn't linked to my username for my own privacy reasons?

arista Tue 09-Jul-13 11:26:13

the child one the other one looks a bit like Charlie angels to me.

AmberLeaf Tue 09-Jul-13 11:28:17

Ok so it's not really like the pringle man [doesn't have a tache for a start] but thats what came to my mind!

Pringle man

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 09-Jul-13 11:28:43

We absolutely understand if people don't want to send in photos because their children wouldn't like them to - that's really completely fine (and sorry if it feels like we're putting pressure on; we've got quite a few already but we're going to rotate them so we're just aiming to get a few more).

They won't be linked to your user name/RL name/any identifiable details at all (other than the caption you write).

RippingYarns Tue 09-Jul-13 11:29:15

grin @ Cervix's DD

send that one in, the tights can get a special MN mention grin

AmberLeaf Tue 09-Jul-13 11:29:24

Mumsnet logo is very charlies angels isnt it?!

tabulahrasa Tue 09-Jul-13 11:40:37

'It reminds me of the pringles man.'

Yes, that's what it is, I knew it looked like something, lol.

'We absolutely understand if people don't want to send in photos because their children wouldn't like them to - that's really completely fine'

I just wanted to say why I wasn't, because I really do think it's a good idea and if it was up to me I would send his picture in...I mean I'd have to get a recent one where we're not arguing about why I need a picture when he's right there and I could just look at him hmm but other than that I'd be up for it, lol

popgoestheweezel Tue 09-Jul-13 11:53:04

Definitely, definitely the child. I like the speech bubble too, the campaign is all about talking about disability.

AmberLeaf Tue 09-Jul-13 12:10:45

Good point popgoestheweezel.

I think the face is too comical.

hazeyjane Tue 09-Jul-13 12:58:31

Hmm, I am going to be a pain in the arse and say i don't really like either - i like the idea of the child one better than the hearts, but don't really like the image (I thought pringles man too, Amberleaf) - but i am a right old fusspot.

Can I also just say, that wrt the 'which one is disabled' thing, that a lot of children with disabilities do look disabled,or different, -some have craniofacial syndromes, or obvious dysmorphic feature, or use wheelchairs and other aids. I don't know if there should be a focus on that as an idea, because it rather excludes the many children with special needs who do have a disability which sets them apart as 'different'

CwtchesAndCuddles Tue 09-Jul-13 13:07:43

I much prefer the idea of the child one but don't actually like the one you have - pringles man / silly face doesn't work for me.

BeeMom Tue 09-Jul-13 13:07:58

I like the child one - just because the heart one is just too much "Welcome to Holland, Pollyanna" for me.

Awomansworth Tue 09-Jul-13 13:08:17

Then I'm a pain too hazey I don't really like either too, but if I had to choose it would be the one with the child.

AmberLeaf Tue 09-Jul-13 13:15:32

MNHQ you should no by now there's no pleasing 'us lot' grin

Good point Hazey, I think the good thing about the hearts is that it doesn't signify any physicality so the issue of hidden/visible disabilities is not focused on, or made a point of either way, if that makes sense?

BeeMom Tue 09-Jul-13 13:21:19

But... why is the pringles child saying "this is my child"?

Is this suddenly about precocious pregnancy? hmm

I agree with hazey, to play "spot the disability" ostracises those who wear their disabilities on their sleeves. Facial differences, dysmorphic features, mobility devices etc all set children with disabilities up as the subject of stares from a very young age - mentioning that not all disabilities are visible is one thing, but I think it might be exclusionary to imply that all are.

Would you put a bunch of children whose disabilities make them look different in a group with one typical child and play "spot the norm"?

Bluebirdonmyshoulder Tue 09-Jul-13 13:25:20

I agree with Amberleaf re the child looking like Pringles man and completely agree with hazey and BeeMom re disabilities which are visibly apparent.

I don't like the heart one either, sorry! grin

How about two hands, a grown up hand holding a child's hand? Kind of, 'I'll never let you go,' 'I've always got you' etc.

ouryve Tue 09-Jul-13 13:26:07

I prefer the child one.

And I can't stop seeing the heart shaped poo, now grin

I'll happily offer this one of DS1. Nice and anonymous - and not grinning at the camera like a loon!
www.flickr.com/photos/ouryveeee/8402040565/

hazeyjane Tue 09-Jul-13 13:30:01

Of course, ideally it should be an image of a goose triumphantly brandishing a carrot, whilst flipping the finger at those that make our dc's lives more of a struggle......but I guess that might be a little esoteric.

Thereonthestair Tue 09-Jul-13 13:33:15

I also prefer the child one. And have been wary about sending a pic of my DS as he has a very visible disability by way of his walker so spot the one with a disability is very easy in his case!

The fact it is very visible means he has had to learn how to answer the questions himself from a very young age, and has always been set apart. I like the idea of that's right you can't, in amongst others who are obviously disabled as we can also feel lost, ostracised and pick on because the disability is visible just as others can when it is invisible.

tabulahrasa Tue 09-Jul-13 13:36:58

I don't think it's all about spot the disablity...it's about personalizing and humanizing isn't it?

I mean there absolutely is an issue where people assume they'd notice if a child has a disability and judge those children where they can't spot it, but isn't the point about looking past the disability, that it's not just a disabled child, it's a child who happens to have a disability?

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 09-Jul-13 13:50:38

Hello

Thanks for all the input - we'll leave this running until tomorrow so as many people as poss can see it and then we'll come back to you

And point taken about the 'can you spot the child with a disability' photo - please keep the comments coming on that

and FINALLY thanks VERY much for the veritable rush of photos we've had this morning

ReginaPhilangie Tue 09-Jul-13 14:07:04

I prefer the child one too, although he does remind me of the Pringle man now. hmm

popgoestheweezel Tue 09-Jul-13 14:07:43

hazeyjane, I love that idea- can we have that for our own logo on the SN pages? grin
Agree that the child's grin does look a little inane but it is still miles better than the hearts.

eatyourveg Tue 09-Jul-13 14:11:57

IMO child wins over charlie's angels lookalike easily

Badvoc Tue 09-Jul-13 14:37:47

The child.

zzzzz Tue 09-Jul-13 14:47:37

I'm going to be awkward too and say I don't like either. Sorry. sad

I'd like something that expressed the "some people can only join in if you are willing to help them/accommodate them".

I love geese and carrots. grin. You all know only mnsn get that though.

I do like a kind of "I'm SPARTICUS" vibe though so perhaps crowd of Mums with "these are our children" T shirts vying to be that support would work.

Eyesunderarock Tue 09-Jul-13 15:15:31

Apologies for the solipsism of the 'spot the disability' photo, that was me just thinking about the issues my family have had. blush
All the major problems for DS have come when the adults around him forget he's an Aspie and either are lulled into a false understanding, or know what he needs to cope and can't be arsed to because he seems 'normal'
Over and over again, all through his school years I have gone in and traced the fuse that lead to the explosion. Almost always because they forgot his disability, and the consequences were huge for him and us.
But it wasn't meant as an idea to exclude anyone, merely as picking out one of the many issues we face. He will struggle with his invisible disability all his life. I didn't mean to offend or upset anyone, so apologies again.

Summerhasloaded Tue 09-Jul-13 15:34:50

I don't like either, but the child one might be ok if it wasn't a cartoon balhead.

Sorry!

sickofsocalledexperts Tue 09-Jul-13 16:42:50

I like the child but both look good, will go with consensus

routineandrules Tue 09-Jul-13 16:53:59

I like the idea of the child one better but the pic of the child looks just silly

RippingYarns Tue 09-Jul-13 17:17:21

you know what would make the child logo look better?

if there wasn't the gap between the bottom of the chin and the speech bubble, it looks as if it's been stuck on at the wrong angle

and i think the MN logo would look better offset to the left, with the face off set to the right

Trigglesx Tue 09-Jul-13 18:37:21

****Of course, ideally it should be an image of a goose triumphantly brandishing a carrot, whilst flipping the finger at those that make our dc's lives more of a struggle......but I guess that might be a little esoteric.***

Dear God, Jane MUST you post stuff that makes me spew my diet coke all over my screen?!! My poor laptop can't take it!! grin

On that note, I like the child, but it appears a bit cartoony and Pringles person-like. Although I don't want it to be serious either IYSWIM, as that implies that these children should be sad or pitied. Maybe just lose the glasses on the child pic???

bialystockandbloom Tue 09-Jul-13 18:45:13

Child, definitely.

Bluebirdonmyshoulder Tue 09-Jul-13 19:04:21

I don't think anyone is offended Eyes, at least I'm not. smile

I think we just want to get people thinking about ALL aspects of disability and not get bogged down with invisible ones at the expense of visible ones and vice versa.

The point is that if the general public really thought about disability and engaged their brain / empathy then they might consider that a child 'behaving badly' may actually have a hidden disability, and when faced with a child with an obvious visible sign of their condition they might not stare!

Invisible and visible disabilities BOTH cause problems for those of us living with them, albeit for different reasons.

Thereonthestair Tue 09-Jul-13 20:07:58

Here here bluebird, I am also not offended, and can't see why anyone else would be, the issue of disability is so large though and mn covers such a range, visible and invisible.

hazeyjane Tue 09-Jul-13 20:14:43

Yy to what Bluebird said.

I wasn't in any way offended, Eyes, and completely 'get' how frustrating it is that people think that they can look at a child and know whether they have sn or not, and it is certainly an issue that comes up on AIBU threads a lot.

insanityscratching Tue 09-Jul-13 21:07:16

Definitely prefer the child one but agree with the comments about Mr Pringle and balloon head.
I've sent in a photo but it's not a cute and fluffy one because ds isn't cute and fluffy tbh he's dark, grumpy and and man sized but it shows him climbing which is something he is good at (must have been the practice he got as a tot on his many escape missions wink) and I've just tagged it "if only all his obstacles in life were so easy"

I prefer the child too.

hazeyjane Tue 09-Jul-13 21:18:23

<quick message to MNHQ - I emailed you a photo of ds, in real life he is the right way up>

coff33pot Tue 09-Jul-13 21:40:04

Neither one really keen on but out of the two I would choose the child on if it was less out of cbeebies. Our children after all are not moon faces without noses smile

alwaysfightingforsomething Tue 09-Jul-13 21:44:22

I would prefer the child picture although he has no nose or ears which looks a bit odd.
Seriously though, it would be good if one of the 'Charlies Angels' were brandishing a carrot.

zzzzz Tue 09-Jul-13 21:54:31

I think one of the mn blue silhouettes could be brandishing her babe and saying "this is my child", after all we are part of mn not an addendum.

lougle Tue 09-Jul-13 22:38:04

I've sent you a few photos - if the email is too big, let me know and I'll split it.

<whispers> I don't like either logo, sorry blush

NoHaudinMaWheest Tue 09-Jul-13 22:39:16

Not keen on either, child is marginally better.
Like zzzzz's idea.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 09-Jul-13 23:06:53

Why don't you have a competition for MNrs to create one? The prize could just being the winner! And helping to spread the campaign. I don't really like either. The child one is like the Pringles man as someone else said and the other one is meh...the hearts seem like an afterthought.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 09-Jul-13 23:10:30

Also, just to be pedantic...the image of the child...he or she is not being included. They are outside the gathering of parents in the MN logo and outside the speech bubble...I know that it's because the child is speaking of their "own" Mumsnet....but it's not coming over.

eggandcress Tue 09-Jul-13 23:16:38

Is the speech bubble supposed to be coming from a off-screen parent? If this is so then it work better visually if this were more obvious, with the direction of the speech bubble well away from the child and not wrapping too closely around the child's head.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 09-Jul-13 23:19:17

I though the bubble was the collective voice of parents on MN who have children with SN.

coff33pot Tue 09-Jul-13 23:21:15

How abooooout a child figure with a bubble stating some things like.

I like football
I like playing
Would like friends
Would like to be understood

THEN a mothers top half with arms around child with a top bubble saying "This is my child"

The main idea of the logo is to reach out the campaign issue rather than a huge MN logo which to me stands out more than the important message?

lougle Tue 09-Jul-13 23:23:00

The face reminds me of the bobinogs.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 09-Jul-13 23:23:40

I think that would be too busy Coff....I think they need one strong image with the wording they've already included. Logos need to sum up the meaning of what they represent in a simple way.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Tue 09-Jul-13 23:24:09

Oh yes Lougle you're right!

coff33pot Tue 09-Jul-13 23:30:00

That is true Neo about it possibly being too busy smile plus too much wording. Wondered if it was silhouette form as in the MN logo? so the two bubbles stood out?

When I look at these, in the heart one I just see Mumsnett and in the second I just see Mumsnett and then the moon face. It just doesnt jump out enough if you get what I am saying x

hazeyjane Wed 10-Jul-13 07:56:09

I notice that the other campaigns haven't really had a logo, is one necessary at all?

I like the competition idea - very Blue Peter, I will get my pens out and start drawing my magnificent goose, carrot masterpiece ASAP.

Curse you Lougle for having put the Bobinogs theme tune into my head, it will fester there all day now!

zzzzz Wed 10-Jul-13 08:41:46

Change bottle for a carrot. Have top lady dripping with diaries for appointments, legal rights documents, endless medical papers and self help books, and lady number three trying to do her own therapy in the absence of any professional help, despite therapists taking full time degrees to do the same thing.

Change the colour of the children to something different (orange would seem apt). Then ask mnetters to stick an orange ribbon on their cars and pushchairs, bags and bundles to show support. grin

hazeyjane Wed 10-Jul-13 09:47:43

I was just about to put forward dh's beautiful design of a panda holding aloft a rainbow (honestly it is a thing of beauty and a design he has done on one of dd1's tshirts...)

but i think zzzzz's idea is best, could their be some geese flying overhead? Love the idea of an orange ribbon to shoe support!

hazeyjane Wed 10-Jul-13 09:51:29

show support not 'shoe support', unless the design is just a large Piedro boot coming down on the heads of tutters and caring carrots, in the style of the monty python foot coming down.

EDMNWiganSalfordandBlackpool Wed 10-Jul-13 09:59:48

My dd would let you have her photo, she will not let me cut her hair though so doubt you can see her face anyway....

PolterGoose Wed 10-Jul-13 10:18:11

I don't like either.

I like the idea of subverting the MN logo though. Can you change the 3 women to 3 children? Best would be a child, a goose and a carrot which would look odd but would be meaningful.

AmberLeaf Wed 10-Jul-13 11:24:18

BTW my son is surprisingly happy for me to provide a pic of him for your campaign, so happy that he wants me to take one especially!

Will send it in as soon as I've got it.

AmberLeaf Wed 10-Jul-13 11:24:58

scuse lack of grammar, you get the gist though.

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 10-Jul-13 12:25:54

hazeyjane

<quick message to MNHQ - I emailed you a photo of ds, in real life he is the right way up>

Arf, thanks

And thanks for all the comments - we'll have a mull

Bluebirdonmyshoulder Wed 10-Jul-13 13:53:08

Love the idea of getting a carrot in there somehow! It makes a serious point - the number of 'helpful' comments and amazing pieces of advice we could never have thought of ourselves that we're expected to be oh so grateful for.

mymatemax Wed 10-Jul-13 16:43:59

I don't like the child image, looks a bit... well... creepy. I would prefer a child on the image but maybe less cartoon like.
How do you want images sent to you? Happy to send you an image of my ds but don't want it linked to my username iykwim

zzzzz Wed 10-Jul-13 20:11:40

I feel a bit ungrateful and rude critiquing your logos now I've read this back. They aren't totally pants or anything. shock

I'm so pleased mn are trying to do something to help.

[thankyou]

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore Wed 10-Jul-13 20:21:03

instead of a child picture, why not do a simple child's head silhouette? Just like the ones we all get of our children in primary school at some point. And then the words under it "this is my child". It gives the impression that they all are relatively similar, but shows that they are opaque really - it's just a silhouette and there is more to them than that.... if that makes sense.

But a real child silhouette, not a cartoony one.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore Wed 10-Jul-13 20:22:58

when I say "all relatively similar" I mean children in general - that often the disabilities are invisible

BlackeyedSusan Wed 10-Jul-13 22:44:54

I like the hearts one... but it does not link in with the campaign... I prefer the child, but the actual child in it need tweeking. too basic.

I don't like either, but do like the idea of a realistic child's head silhouette. Would fit in with MN logo and would be vague enough to cover visible/invisible/boy/girl etc.

I am afraid I don't really like either, but if I had to choose one I would take the hearts, the cartoon child doesn't seem right somehow

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 12-Jul-13 09:56:25

Morning

Thanks very much for your input: here's what we've come up with - we've tried to take as many of your comments on board as we can.

<image will magically appear at some point in the next half-hour or so...>







Eyesunderarock Fri 12-Jul-13 10:25:25

Sorry, others may like it but I think it is hideous.
It looks like an anthropomorphic monkey child from a cheap anime.
What's with the sideburns?
It looks even less human than the first pringles design. sad

RippingYarns Fri 12-Jul-13 10:33:41

That picture is better

BUT

it looks like a boy

That's one of the hardest struggles I have as the parent of a girl with autism - how girls are so different in their presentation of their difficulties

PolterGoose Fri 12-Jul-13 12:38:01

Sorry, it is awful.

coppertop Fri 12-Jul-13 13:22:11

The new one looks like the long-lost love child of the Pringle man and Timmy Mallett.

zzzzz Fri 12-Jul-13 13:36:49

Does he have glasses to show he's not perfect?

I'm so sorry but I'm giggling hysterically. I'm still -arguing- negotiating with Dh about sending in a photo, but that SO not my child! grin

You know "this is my child" suddenly makes me think of Mowgli in Jungle Book being shown to the pack...."look well O wolves, look well".

Worriedmind Fri 12-Jul-13 13:45:08

coppertop Fri 12-Jul-13 13:22:11

The new one looks like the long-lost love child of the Pringle man and Timmy Mallett.

^ this ^

Badvoc Fri 12-Jul-13 13:47:59

No.
That's terrible
And it's a boy.
And not all kids with sn/sen water glasses and some of them are girls.
I wonder if we need to come away from an image if a child....it's appears too be fraught with issues.
How about a logo with MNSN in the title?
Dunno....not good at this stuff....

Eyesunderarock Fri 12-Jul-13 13:52:35

Rainbow splat logo.
Over the top pf the MN Yummymummies.
Welcome to Beirut!

PolterGoose Fri 12-Jul-13 14:03:33

Maybe MNHQ need to move away from free stuff off the interweb and get someone to draw a picture? There are bound to be some artistic MNers...Or just not have a picture.

I don't like the glasses. blush

RippingYarns Fri 12-Jul-13 14:21:09

why does it need a picture at all?

#MNThisIsMyChild should be enough, surely?

hazeyjane Fri 12-Jul-13 14:24:06

I'm thinking maybe no picture is a better way to go.

Could it just MNSN#ThisIsMChild - maybe in a different colour (carrotty orange obviously the favourite!)

zzzzz Fri 12-Jul-13 14:27:03

This is the focus of the campaign.

"an awareness-raising campaign focused on the ways in which caring for a child with additional needs can change a family's life, and the myths about disability that can have negative impacts on such children and their carers. We're going to call it This Is My Child (again, thanks for all the input) as we think it's simple, arresting and suits the aims of the campaign best."

I'd like on of the mn logo mums to be reaching down to pull mnsn mum and child into the logo.

SallyBear Fri 12-Jul-13 15:54:30

Personally not keen on any of the logos. I think that a simple and direct "This is my child. This is our life" would work for me.

Eyesunderarock Fri 12-Jul-13 16:30:06

' "This is my child. This is our life" would work for me.'

smile Me too. Better without pictures.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Fri 12-Jul-13 17:42:45

MN has thousands of users....why not tap into all those minds and have a competition?

SallyBear Fri 12-Jul-13 19:19:01

I'm very glad to read that you agree with my suggestion, Eyesunderarock. smile

hazeyjane Fri 12-Jul-13 20:28:48

Like, 'This is my child. This is our life' a lot.

SallyBear Fri 12-Jul-13 20:36:24

Hazeyjanesmilesmilesmilesmile <does a happy dance>

zzzzz Fri 12-Jul-13 21:00:15

I like "This is my child. This is our life." too. Slightly in your face. No apology for who we are or what we deal with. I really like it. grin

Ineedmorepatience Fri 12-Jul-13 21:38:47

I agree with the folks who said "this is my child, this is our life" too. It says what it issmile

I dont mind the child logo but agree that the picture could be better. Sorry if thats been sorted already I havent read all 5 pages of the threadwink

sparklesandbling Fri 12-Jul-13 23:15:55

I don't like the new image either, its a boy clearly, whereas I have a dd with special needs and so this campaign if using this image would not represent her.

I agree with others why not ask for pictures from artsy mnetters.

sparklesandbling Fri 12-Jul-13 23:16:26

I did not like the two previous pictures either sorry

coff33pot Fri 12-Jul-13 23:39:00

Ok I feel awful as mnhq are really trying hard here to get it right and want to say thank you for doing all this.

Buttttt my child isn't sweet cartoon looking (this picture now reminds me of Bod with glasses)

if the campaign is to wipe away the myths and the fluff then to have more of an impact it has to be more real?

it's just too gooey cartoony soppy iyswim (and I am still sorry moaning x)

I too like the "this is my child this is our life"

Summerhasloaded Sat 13-Jul-13 05:04:42

Another vote for sallybear's suggestion x

hazeyjane Sat 13-Jul-13 09:20:14

I think that if a logo is going to be used, then a silhouette style might be better. But I think the trouble with any sort of image of a child is that it is going to be such a narrow representation, and considering this is so much about perceptions of what people believe disability to look like that is going to be a problem. I think this being the case, the words may have to be enough. It would be great to have a collage of all our different children, with all their glorious differences as part of the campaign, that might be more representative.

NoHaudinMaWheest Sat 13-Jul-13 11:57:30

Another vote for 'This is my child this is my life'

I am afraid neither child image remotely represents my teenage DS.

SallyBear Sat 13-Jul-13 12:33:10

I think that "This is My Child. This is Our Life" promotes a strong, proud and positive image of life for a family with a child/children with SN.

zzzzz Sat 13-Jul-13 12:43:47

I agree sally.

Awomansworth Sat 13-Jul-13 12:54:59

Sally Very powerful statement... I love it.

SallyBear Sat 13-Jul-13 12:58:20

Thank you. I hope that others on the SN board like and support it and maybe MNHQ will adopt it for the campaign. smile

RippingYarns Sat 13-Jul-13 16:50:55

Another yes vote for no picture and This Is My Child. This Is Our Life as the slogan.

Says it all really

Iamaslummymummy Sat 13-Jul-13 17:18:54

I love sally's slogan. smile

Iamaslummymummy Sat 13-Jul-13 17:19:19

Hate all of the images btw sorry

Bryzoan Sat 13-Jul-13 19:39:22

Going against the grain, I much prefer the simplicity of "this is my child". I don't need people to understand our life - but I do desperately want people to welcome, include and be considerate towards my daughter. So I'd prefer not to dilute that message.

Like the concept of the logo mnhq but not so much the child's face. I would worry that the glasses stereotype, and I'm not big on the shadows. I do think a silhouette of a child's face might work better.

zzzzz Sat 13-Jul-13 20:18:57

But the campaign is about how having a child with sn changes family life hmm

coff33pot Sat 13-Jul-13 20:23:12

Agree with zzzzz be good if pl got to understand the child and have acceptance but also understood that life is not a bed of roses either family wise as some think.ie that support is handed on a plate

sneezecakesmum Sat 13-Jul-13 20:27:35

I prefer 'this is my child'. It encompasses all types of disability. Its keeping centred on the child, not the family. School, family, therapies...there all on the periphery of the child's world.

Not keen on the logos though, as everyone says they are very cartoony. Maybe a silhouette of a child? A bit unisex with no glasses?

zzzzz Sat 13-Jul-13 20:35:18

But the focus of the campaign is already decided,

"So we've decided to go with an awareness-raising campaign focused on the ways in which caring for a child with additional needs can change a family's life, and the myths about disability that can have negative impacts on such children and their carers. We're going to call it This Is My Child (again, thanks for all the input) as we think it's simple, arresting and suits the aims of the campaign best."

Change in family life and myths that have negative impact on child and carer. That's the campaign, we can't keep refocusing and arguing about that or we won't make any progress at all.

sneezecakesmum Sat 13-Jul-13 20:50:00

I still think keep it simple in the logo. Surely the place for myth busting, impact on families, education on the disability, should be within the body of the campaign.

hazeyjane Sat 13-Jul-13 21:01:39

I think the addition of this is our life is a good one, because as well as bringing in the idea that the child's disability also affects the family - the siblings, mum, dad etc, it also brings in that idea that was bought up in all the discussions about the campaign about disability being lifelong, that these children will grow up to be teenagers and adults and their disabilities will always be part of their (and our) lives.

zzzzz Sat 13-Jul-13 21:09:04

For me people's total inability to understand the financial, emotional and life mutating effect of sn on ALL our lives is a huge issue. I still have to say quietly to my own mother occasionally "But Mum ds isn't gong to "grow up" in that way." He will not move on and out like other children. It won't get easier in a few years in the same way that toddlers grow into primary school children and they progress to high school and then to young adults.
Many of us were relying on going back o work

zzzzz Sat 13-Jul-13 21:10:24

Sorry,

Many of us were relying on going back to work. Many of us can't get to a Drs. Many of us have absolutely no plan for retirement because we can't do that.

SallyBear Sat 13-Jul-13 21:17:29

I thought of the "This is Our Life" part if the slogan, because having 3 DCs with a broad range of SN has made our life seem very difficult and challenging to the people that we have met over the years. I'd be a rich woman if I had a pound for every time I heard "I don't know how you do it/cope" or "Poor you that must be so tough". Yes it has been tough, and I've had to do things to my DD that no mother should have to do, but its been medically necessary. She's still here 13yrs on and I'm proud that she is the person that she is today, because of all the battles that we have fought to keep her alive.

This IS our life and I'm proud of it, I'm so proud of my kids and us as a family unit, and I feel a stronger and better person because of the education that i have been given by my four beautiful children.

coff33pot Sat 13-Jul-13 21:34:44

adding this is our life to it can also help portray not only how inclusion and acceptance is important but also an inside view to how that child lives, how much harder the child has to work at things nt find so easy and also the endless appointments and assessments it takes before the child may be DX or supported and the subsequent stress put on that child and family. I guess I am saying it is better to deal with the whole package rather than snippets x

BlackeyedSusan Sat 13-Jul-13 22:30:31

I like the this is our life bit as well. the main problem I have with school is that they arre not listening/don't have any concept about how life is with a child with asd. (and one hypermobile who, although not bad, does need to do physio/ot everyday)

dev9aug Sat 13-Jul-13 23:22:42

Brilliant post Sallybear

SallyBear Sat 13-Jul-13 23:24:50

Thank you dev. smile

Summerhasloaded Sun 14-Jul-13 07:23:38

Sallybear's says it so well. Having two children with SN has completely changed me, to a stronger and I hope better person.

You dig deep and when there is nothing left and you fall over, you get up and dig a little further, and somehow find the strength to carry on.

This is my child, this is our life.

Eyesunderarock Sun 14-Jul-13 08:57:36

SB's slogan not only covers everything that has already been said, including the unapologetic, no self-pity part, but also...you perceptive and amazing woman...you have included both my children in that slogan.
Despite the fact that they are 18 and 22, out in the world and PFN. They still live their lives through the lens of AS and as a family, we always will.
So although the focus is on younger children, I still feel we have been included. Thank you.

zzzzz Sun 14-Jul-13 11:08:38

smile

bialystockandbloom Sun 14-Jul-13 19:19:09

Oh please take away the glasses! Just wrong. sorry HQ. Just reinforces the message that SN = geeky/freak/different which is surely the opposite of what this campaign is all about? Isn't the point to raise awareness of the fact that people with SN are <shock> amongst us and <whisper> all around us? Ie don't necessarily stand out immediately?

Rumours Sun 14-Jul-13 21:52:56

I like the "this is my child, this is our life" too, and if we are to have a picture, what about a child and adult silhouette, or two children and two adult silhouettes to represent the family life.

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 15-Jul-13 09:23:32

Hello

Just want to say we're not ignoring you (honest wink) and will be back soon

zzzzz Mon 15-Jul-13 10:51:18

Good we wouldn't want to hunt you down, muddy your cheeks and bespectacle you, now would we? grin

IMO you need a type of Quentin Blake (ish) silhouette of a parent and child together. Parent may be interpreted as M/F and child as M/F. With apologies with those with older children, this would be easier to achieve if drawn as a younger child. This would give the powerful impression that our children are loved deeply and fit into their families just as they are.

Or a parents hand holding child's hand...am now thinking of what would represent the relationship and be an easy to reproduce logo, without the cartoon look...

Was going to write HTH but maybe it doesn't...thanks so much for trying to get this right.

Definitely the child.

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 18-Jul-13 10:33:21

Well then - thanks very much for all your input. We fully take on board that many of you found the spectacle-wearing child a bit cartoonish and/or patronising (and we do see your point).

With that in mind - and the difficulty of composing a clean, graphic image that is properly inclusive and representative, without being icky - we've decided that a text-based logo is the way to go, so we're going to use something focused around the 'This Is My Child' logo without any images.

Thanks again for your comments - they were really useful.

SallyBear Thu 18-Jul-13 12:49:01

Thank you for that Rowan, though a teeny bit disappointed that you've not considered the "This is My Child. This is Our Life" slogan. It seemed to capture and include so many of us dealing with SN for our children/family members from birth through to adulthood.

RippingYarns Thu 18-Jul-13 12:54:08

Yes, any reason you're not using the fabulous slogan as suggested by the very lovely SallyBear and agreed by so many here?

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 18-Jul-13 14:01:02

RippingYarns

Yes, any reason you're not using the fabulous slogan as suggested by the very lovely SallyBear and agreed by so many here?

Sorry for not addressing this one before.

The honest (but prosaic) answer is that short tends to be better with these things. While we completely see the significance of adding the extra line, it makes it far too long to use (for example) as a hashtag on Twitter (where you're limited to 120 characters, so every one counts).

We appreciate that loads of you may not use Twitter but it's enormously useful in MNHQ campaigns. It means the word gets out much more widely than it otherwise would (those of you who can bear to look at Twitter, take a look at our #bountymutiny hashtag to see how far that has spread - in many cases being used by people who have probably never even looked at MN).

So for an awareness-raising campaign like this - where what we're really trying to achieve is to grab the wider public's attention and get people to think about how they behave, and the assumptions they make - our experience strongly suggests that short and snappy beats longer-but-fabulous.

SallyBear Thu 18-Jul-13 14:13:28

#mychildourlife

RippingYarns Thu 18-Jul-13 14:19:47

there you go

grin

SallyBear Thu 18-Jul-13 14:21:41

Ripping gringrin

hazeyjane Thu 18-Jul-13 15:04:12

If possible, mychild.ourlife is even better!!

zzzzz Thu 18-Jul-13 15:22:40

For me, "my child" loses a lot of the emotion of "this is my child". I really like "this is my child, this is our life" but not so much "my child. My life", to me that reads as "I'll parent my way" IYKWIM

SallyBear Thu 18-Jul-13 15:49:59

How about #thisis;mychild.ourlife

SallyBear Thu 18-Jul-13 16:08:45

zzzzz I agree with you 100% with the "This is My Child. This is Our Life" being far more emotive than "This is My Child" it doesn't "speak" to me, but MNHQ want it to be a short title to be hashtagged and tweeted.

I am not a user of twitter preferring to use FB to connect to people, and truthfully I have friends who "tweet" things on FB that I NEVER read. (Closet technophobe). I need the picture and the lead in line to grab my attention. So the twitter campaign will be a non starter for me as I prefer Facebook.

zzzzz Thu 18-Jul-13 17:49:53

Sally i think you have slightly misunderstood my post. I should clarify I was trying to say "this is my child" is far more powerful than "my child" so

I prefer
THIS IS MY CHILD to "my child"

And I prefer
this is my child, this is my life. to "my child. My life" (which I don't like)

The #tag thing I have minimal experience of, but assume MNHQ know what they are talking about.

SallyBear Thu 18-Jul-13 18:05:44

Yes I realised I had misunderstood you after I posted. I was sat in a hot car killing time waiting for DC to appear from school. shock

coff33pot Thu 18-Jul-13 18:21:34

My child our life to me means a stance of butt out!

I don't tweet and no intentions of using it to be honest.

just "this is my child" doesn't hit home enough to me but hey ho smile

Yes, has a 'my house, my rules,' feel.

I like 'This is my child, this is our life.' <sulks>

zzzzz Thu 18-Jul-13 18:58:53

What I like about "this is my child, this is our life" is that it makes you think "something unique about this child is uniquely effecting this families life". It prepares your mind for the sort of ideas we are trying to get across.

Without the "this is our life" bit it is far more "ooooooh body form" ie "this is my child" could be leading you anywhere, IYKWIM.

Still I would prefer just "this is my child" if we have to go all #compliant.

I suppose you could run a series,

THIS IS MY CHILD this is our life

THIS IS MY CHILD this is how long it took to get to see a peadiatrician

THIS IS MY CHILD this is what we do to get to school on time etc

zzzzz Thu 18-Jul-13 19:05:53

Family's hmm

sneezecakesmum Thu 18-Jul-13 21:40:30

I like this is my child. It's just totally inclusive of all the aims of the campaign without focusing mainly on the impact on the family. Yes, I know its important and part of the campaign but its not the whole campaign. Everything radiates out like the spokes on a wheel from 'my child'.

Only just seen this thread. I'd like the third logo but without the cartoon child.

I have to say I like the campaign as "This is my child", lets not complicate things further. wink

zzzzz Sat 03-Aug-13 15:55:58

MNHQ Pleeeeeeeeeease tell us more!

Bluebirdonmyshoulder Tue 06-Aug-13 17:46:26

I like zzzzz's idea re the series.

Really liked 'This is My Child, This is Our Life' but take MNHQ's point about succinctness. And the main thrust is 'This is My Child'.

sophj100 Thu 15-Aug-13 17:52:05

I definitely think the child's face is more appropriate and speaks volumes.

The love heart is too remote and doesn't really relate to chidlren. The logo should speak alone, before you even know what it is for and I believe the second one does.

farlowz Mon 19-Aug-13 15:07:57

Have to say I like the heart more, even after reading the threads. Would also be happy to post a photo.

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