Here some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on SN.

Oh Ffs! Wy did I click on the thread!! Why!?...

(39 Posts)
Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 14:27:58

Thread about gove and schools.
Knew I shouldn't post but did.
And, of course, as expected, sen/sn kids get too much money and time spent on them!!
Not ime.

Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 14:28:53
Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 14:36:47

"Badvoc at our children's school the only parents who get to see a teacher after school are those with SEN and the only kids who anybody wants to push are those with SEN or those in danger of not getting a 4 in Sats.

I really resent the idea of punting kids out of classes in order for those already in extra small groups getting extra booster classes to have even more.

Fine I sympathise if you have an Sen child but subjecting others to a shed load of disruption when Sen parents argue for inclusion for their kids is simply unfair."

ouryve Sun 19-May-13 14:45:12

I don't want mainstream inclusion for my kids. Particularly not DS1. I want him sent to a much more expensive school with specialist teaching and tiny class sizes where he doesn't have to be lumped in with 20 neurotypical kids and all their petty social rules and smells and noises, all of which cause him a lot of distress.

I had to resist the urge to reply with that.

Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 14:47:08

Oh please do!
I am beyond rage at this point and no longer coherent....

rosielou678 Sun 19-May-13 14:48:56

^ What ouryve says^

Note to self - sit on hands. Do not respond

FanjoForTheMammaries Sun 19-May-13 14:52:32

People are being particularly shitty all over MN at the moment.

It's not even a full moon either.

FanjoForTheMammaries Sun 19-May-13 14:54:04

Don't even waste any energy being angry at someone so utterly ignorant and selfish.

(Need to take own advice I know)

Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 14:54:16

So it's not just me then?
Was worried I was over reacting.
People actually believe this shit, you know.
The believe that sen/sn kids get all the money and time and resources.
<hollow laughter>

FanjoForTheMammaries Sun 19-May-13 14:55:03

Not just you..that is one of the worst posts I have seen on MN about education.

FanjoForTheMammaries Sun 19-May-13 14:56:07

My DD's school place is expensive.

Lucky us that she is so disabled or she would be like these poor able children grin

Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 14:57:55

Am so sad, and angry and fucking disappointed.
And people were saying what a great post it was!

rosielou678 Sun 19-May-13 14:58:17

I'd just started to type a reply in the thread - but deleted it. Def time to sit on hands - I'm already enraged by the crap 'system' and the way our children are treated - responding to such posts would just enrage me even more.

Best to ignore such ignorance and go get a cup of tea instead!

FanjoForTheMammaries Sun 19-May-13 15:00:33

I may have said that on the thread.

Oops wink

Some people are selfish bastards who don't know they're born.

rosielou678 Sun 19-May-13 15:02:40

Funny thing was I'd stayed of MN because I'd heard it was so judgemental. But when I finally decided to post on this forum (after months of lurking!), I found it to be the exact opposite. MNSN has been a lifesaver to me in the last couple of weeks.

I'm staying put!

FanjoForTheMammaries Sun 19-May-13 15:03:37

This forum is great.

Main board MN is appalling these days IMO.

Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 15:16:17

Argh...I'm getting sucked in!....
MNSN has been a lifeline for me Rosie so I know what you mean.
Must remember to hide Aibu and education topics from now in!
HE board is fab too, as is my post natal group.
Can't believe his upset I am about this....

FanjoForTheMammaries Sun 19-May-13 15:20:21

Don't let a few Tories get ya down

Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 15:23:55

Ha! smile

PolterGoose Sun 19-May-13 15:24:08

badvoc and Fanjo great posts. I've hidden it as I just don't have the stamina today to do battle. And I shall hide this thread as well so I don't click the link smile

FanjoForTheMammaries Sun 19-May-13 15:26:21

No stamina here either. .DH has been away all weekend!

Nil Carborundum Illegitimi, I say

AnotherAlias Sun 19-May-13 16:37:02

....having seen coverage of NAHT conference generally - I would urge anyone with an ounce of common sense to volunteer as a school governor - seriously - I haven't read the other thread (I'm cross enough) - but I am not surprised that mums* are up in arms about the carry on - if these are the people running schools in general, I think my kids have been exceptionally lucky ...*(even if they also happen to be cowbags about SEN children)

....I might go and have a little look...

Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 17:20:16

I need to detach I really do...
But that isn't going to happen is it?

AnotherAlias Sun 19-May-13 17:37:12

Aw - really thought for a minute there, Badvoc, that when you asked about statements that Blue would be outed as the SENCO for her school...

(she's not as far as we know ;) )

I'll get my coat....

Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 17:39:20

I know....I know!
I bet she is sad

FanjoForTheMammaries Sun 19-May-13 17:40:57

Her poor able children <sheds tear>

Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 17:43:34


Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 17:43:59

..won't someone think of the able children!....

inappropriatelyemployed Sun 19-May-13 18:12:15

Don't venture off the board!!!!!!!!!!!! I never do.

But just from what you have posted here I can guess what has been going on [shudder]

I loathe Gove and his exclusionary policies wheeled out under a deceptive mantle of enabling the disadvantaged. But teachers/heads should be better led and more strategic. They should f**k the league tables and Ofsted and stand up for teaching and stand up to middle class parents more.

AnotherAlia - I have just become a Governor!

UnChartered Sun 19-May-13 18:32:44

just to reiterate what inapp and others have said about the main boards

i've hidden all the main 'other topics' now

<feels zen>

Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 18:46:44

Agree completely IE.
I am a gov too and have just been given taken sen as my area of responsibility smile
Let the fun begin smile

Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 18:57:55

Vows to never leave MNSN again...
(Although she didn't actually answer my question, did she!?)

infamouspoo Sun 19-May-13 19:01:57

maybe i wont read it. ds, with severe cerebral palsy is in mainstream, clearly hogging all the resources. Wont someone think of the poor non isdabled children <clutches pearls>
Oh wait, his one to one doesnt affect the other kids....

Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 19:05:53

Oh, I am just so sick of it....
My sons school gets 12 hours of a EP time per year.
People really think that there is so much help "out there" don't they?

Badvoc Sun 19-May-13 19:09:10

There is a little boy with CP at my younger sons pre school.
He has no 1-1 (he doesn't need it) and more than holds his own in races using his walker frame smile
It would never have occurred to me to think "oh, that means my precious child won't get proper care now. All the resources will be diverted to this child!"
I mean, who thinks like that!?

infamouspoo Sun 19-May-13 19:28:49

oh I looked. oops. ds gets full time 1 to 1 because he cannot move or speak. This takes nothing from the children who are lucky enough to be able to walk and talk (see, they are bloody advantaged already) as the funding stream is seperate. His equipment is funded by the PCT/LA (after mucho bickering). The other kids clearly dont need specialised seating, physio, VOCA, hydrotherapy, SLT, whatever else he gets as I've lost track and not one jot comes from the school budget. In fact, his LSA often helps other kids.
The same applies to the other 15 kids just like ds (none can move or speak) in the school of 220.
Its a fucking fantastic school.
The one and only time I heard a parent moan was on sports day when the children in wheelchairs with their pushing buddies got to start further up the field in a race and this dipshit dad claimed it wasnt 'fair'. I might have tapped him on the shoulder and offered to chop his child's legs off so she could have the same 'advantage' as the disabled children. He went all pink grin

inappropriatelyemployed Sun 19-May-13 19:54:34

Grr, that makes me so mad. It's on a par with women getting special tyreatment because we get maternity pay hmm

Disablism is the new racism/sexism, I'm telling you.

DS's useless TA once said about a charity enterprise project he was running with his SLT ( a disguised social skills group) that it was really unfair because he got to pick the participants so some of the other children who didn't get picked would feel left out.

I had to remind that DS NEVER got picked for sports, or trips to art lessons, or trips to 'able children' sessions at other schools, or in life generally...... you stupid cow. angry

Sorry, but when the people who are PAID to support your kids don't get it, what hope is there?

elliejjtiny Mon 20-May-13 17:19:36

Don't know where people get the idea that children who have SEN get all this extra help. In my DS2's class there are several children with SEN/disabilities. There is one child who gets a 1 to 1 TA, she has autism, wears nappies, needs constant supervision because she runs off otherwise. 3 children who are part time wheelchair users (including DS2), no help apart from a couple of grab rails and steps and I had to fight for them, children who have speech issues, no help, children who have behavioural problems, no help. Children have to have very severe SN to get anything and their parents have to fight for it. There is a group of mums of children with physical disabilities who are currently fighting for provision for our children at sports day.

I have 2 children at that school and my NT able bodied DS1 is definately the one with the advantage.

Badvoc Mon 20-May-13 18:42:10

I's almost an urban myth now isn't it?
All those pesky sen/sn kids using up all the money!
I know I am an idiot, but I will never stop pointing out when posters are being disablist bigots or just plain ignorant.
So, need to get used to it, I guess.

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