Our SN area is not a substitute for expert advice. While many Mumsnetters have a specialist knowledge of special needs, if they post here they are posting as members, not experts. There are, however, lots of organisations that can help - some suggestions are listed here. If you've come across an organisation that you've found helpful, please tell us. Go to Special needs chat, Parents with disabilities, SN teens, SN legal, SN education, SN recommendations.

Food Selectivity Action Plan

(103 Posts)
MareeyaDolores Tue 26-Mar-13 21:58:35

Ok, been to the EABG conference today. One presenter described a 4 child trial of strategies to help fussy eaters. You use 3 foods, 1 new one and 2 they like. New food 12 mini-blobs per session, old ones 6 mini-blobs each. Total 24 mini-blobs. This is done just before a mealtime.

3 intensities of approach, they start with the easiest, and only move up if it doesn't work. I'm going to call the levels Bronze Silver Gold

15 min before meal, you present a plastic plate with a teeny-tiny 'target food' blob on, and leave it there for 5 seconds. Don't worry whether dc eats it or not, the magic is in just plonking it down. Repeat 24 times (always finish on a 'liked' food). This worked a treat on 1 or 2 of the dc.

Silver is the same, but add a reinforcer (praise?) for each bite

Gold is plonking it down + reinforcer + escape extinction (basically that if they scream, throw it, run away etc, you retrieve the dc / food / ignore shrieks and present it again. They still don't have to eat, but do have to cope with looking at it for the required 5 seconds. Repeat 24 times with the 24 mini-bites.

MareeyaDolores Tue 26-Mar-13 22:00:27

You keep this up, day after day, but all the dc cracked eventually grin and then you can move on to a slightly easier battle with the next target food.

tacal Tue 26-Mar-13 22:43:15

Hi MareeyaDolores, this is something I am interested in trying. My DS is 4, is it recommended for all ages? Thank you for this, I will give it a try.

OhYeaBaby Tue 26-Mar-13 22:54:08

are the mini blobs like little pea-sized portions of the food?

MareeyaDolores Wed 27-Mar-13 19:29:21

tacal, they weren't 'recommending' for a certain age group, just describing what they'd done with these particular children to get some good results. It's probably suitable for any age I would guess (well, maybe not under 6 months wink)

Sorry OhYea, "mini blobs" are little pea-sized portions of the food, I was just too lazy to type the longer version out!

tacal Wed 27-Mar-13 20:05:43

thank you, I will start trying this soon. I really need to start focusing on the eating side of things now I got most other things under control.

Everything surrounding the food tasting was kept completely neutral so there was nothing else going on. It was said once 'take a bite', and the child could do it or not. If they touched the food the time was extended a bit to give them another chance, but only by 5 more seconds, then it was removed.

Liked foods were mixed with non-liked. The only intervening required was ensuring the child accessed the thing. So they had to be kept at the table for the duration iyswim.

Once the child had eventually accepted one non-liked food, the time before they ate the next one, and the next ones reduced as they became less afraid and realised it wasn't all that bad after all iyswim.

zzzzz Wed 27-Mar-13 21:19:47

How many times a day?

Are we talking VERY desirable food for the two liked foods or acceptable?

I am sceptical frankly, but could give it a go next term.

I would LOVE ds to eat some more food types. I'm just not making any progress at all. sad

PolterGooseLaidAChocolateEgg Wed 27-Mar-13 21:40:15

Ds is a serious food refuser but I am struggling to understand the technique confused

Does it mean 24 mini-blobs on 24 separate plates for one session shock

Or something else?

zzzzz Wed 27-Mar-13 21:54:08

Mine is quite arsey strong willed, I'm pretty sure he'll. just wait for the nice plates.

zzzzz Wed 27-Mar-13 21:55:06

48 plates, 24 new stuff, 24 known stuff.

PolterGooseLaidAChocolateEgg Wed 27-Mar-13 22:05:10

I think ds would just find it ridiculous:

"Mummy, why are you bringing another plate with something YOU KNOW I WILL NEVER EAT, would it not be easier to bring the same plate again?"

zzzzz Wed 27-Mar-13 22:10:15

I have to admit I'm intrigued. Ds can go for days without eating if not given things that are acceptable.

On the other hand 48 saucer, 12 raisins, 12 bits of Pringles and 24 dangerous splodges of mashed potatoe or scrambled egg is actually not that hard for me to achieve.

zzzzz Wed 27-Mar-13 22:12:49

You have to admit potty training is pretty odd behaviour from the recipients point of view. Perhaps it's just so barking mad they give up and go along with it.

I'm inclined to think "too easy", but tempted to try. grin

I think it is once a day, or twice if you cba. And always 15mins before food.

And no other cajoling and encouragement. Put no value on them eating or not eating the food. Just say 'bite it' once and wait, then remove.

Sounds bloody mad I agree, but the results were amazing.

MareeyaDolores Wed 27-Mar-13 22:20:40

zzz, it's only 24 saucers, which leaves plenty of raisins and pringles for mum the next day grin

I don't think they specified if you have to have 12 new plates, or bring the same plate 12 times... though going by the dishwasher contents, the average snack in this house already must involve a dozen different plastic dishes hmm

MareeyaDolores Wed 27-Mar-13 22:24:13

"mum, that plate had a raisin on it before,
aaah, no, you can't put a pringle on it now,
oh no, i can taste raisin on my pringle,
aaah, i hate you"

grin

I expect the untouched food plates will just be recycled as is surely?

The others will get reused?

Apparently it is very important the the foods are presented randomly, so sometimes two unprefered items are offered in a row.

PolterGooseLaidAChocolateEgg Wed 27-Mar-13 22:27:27

Thanks Star It does sound completely bonkers, and when I read the OP I was somewhat amused at the idea, so am glad you can see how it might look to anyone who wasn't there grin

TBH I don't mind bonkers approaches, it is how we have made the best progress, but I can't see this one working for ds at the moment, but am keen to see how zzzzz gets on.

(plus we don't have a dishwasher, or 24 plates, and the dining room is several rooms away from the kitchen, so practically it would be awkward)

moondog Wed 27-Mar-13 22:28:47

You could always contact the researcher in question

PolterGooseLaidAChocolateEgg Wed 27-Mar-13 22:30:20

Thanks moondog thanks

moondog Wed 27-Mar-13 22:30:46

A charming woman of enormous integrity.

paper plates?

Honestly. If you'd seen the presentation you'd be wanting everyone to do it.

I think part of it is desensitisation to the food by seeing it and being able to smell it etc. the neutralising it from value (no, 'oh please, just try it, take one bite, it's good for you' rubbish) and the possible reinforcement of just eating the damn thing to make it go away faster.

zzzzz Wed 27-Mar-13 22:32:05

I HAVE 24 saucers (I have vast amounts of cracked and chipped china because my family keep giving me them as "I don't mind" hmm ). I may go Greek and break the lot one day, but perhaps after torturing ds with food blobs. grin

moondog Wed 27-Mar-13 22:33:48

It was interesting that the parents were able to do it as very easy for us all to get into huge emotional knots about food (not in my own family it has to be said as we are all very greedy. The issue is not so much getting people to eat but rather, ensuring thr buggers don't scarf the lot.)

moondog Wed 27-Mar-13 22:34:27

'torturing ds with food blobs'

<guffaw>

Call it a mezze

zzzzz Wed 27-Mar-13 22:34:34

How long do I try for before we I admit defeat?

zzzzz Wed 27-Mar-13 22:35:16

moondog it will be mezze!

salondon Wed 27-Mar-13 22:51:01

I have the same question as zzz - how long does one try it? 5 seconds per meal time?

MareeyaDolores Wed 27-Mar-13 22:57:05

tapas rather than mezze?

10 seconds per plate. If the child shows any interest extend by another 5 seconds then remove.

I suppose the question is how many days should you continue with it. I can't remember how long it was for the most challenging food refuser but I know that once they'd accepted the first food, it didn't take too long to introduce and have accepted the next and others.

Though you do have to rule out physical reasons. i.e. there are no mild allergies causing the refusal etc.

MareeyaDolores Wed 27-Mar-13 22:58:01

ah, now I have it, the ideal solution grin

You know you could use petit fours or silicone muffin cases on a plate so you'll need less plates!?

OhYeaBaby Wed 27-Mar-13 23:05:08

I'm up for it - mine reckons he "wants" to try new foods as he is very conscious [rolleyes] that his diet does not contain "5 fruit and veg" - s had a plan:, he would choose one food and he has it on his plate from time to time - when he feels ready he''ll smell it, then lick it etc. He decided he would 'do' tomatoes as he eats tomato sauce - so we thought we'd go for cooked tomatoes - hasn't been an unreserved success it has to be said (no tomato licking so far in other words)...
soo ladies I am going to try blobbism - no prior warning or discussion and see where it gets me.

MareeyaDolores Wed 27-Mar-13 23:13:03
MareeyaDolores Wed 27-Mar-13 23:14:44

right then.
Plan ready for implementing tomorrow, breakfast time.
wish me luck...

OhYeaBaby Wed 27-Mar-13 23:19:34

good luck

zzzzz Thu 28-Mar-13 06:32:52

I'm going to try in term time so not observed by other children (we are one to one for lunch.

I get the 5 second thing, I really meant how many days shall I try it for.

I like to set up everything first and then "work to the plan". I find it stops the stress/over investment in desired outcome, and means my only "job" is to follow the plan.

Inappropriatelyemployed Thu 28-Mar-13 08:13:53

My experience has been that, as my son has got older, he has naturally been prepared to try new things. As in whole meals rather than a couple of dozen of mini blobs.

Or he has been encouraged by rewarding him for taking a bit of something new - which works if the motivator is strong enough.

Ultimately, we don't all like all food anyway. I can't stand fish and no amount of mini blob testing would help with that.

This seems an overly complicated system for adding anxiety to meal times for the parent.

Still I suspect it keeps someone in a job.

ouryve Thu 28-Mar-13 08:34:28

DS2 would think I've finally flipped.

Meantime, DS1 would be wondering where the hell his dinner had got to and be shouting at me, trying to convince me that he was about to waste away to nothing. Sorry, DS1, dad's gone to McD's for our tea, because I'm so busy running in and out of the kitchen with DS2's 24 course cordon bleugh menu that I don't have the time or energy to actually cook something nutritious for us all. (Researchers are very good at forgetting that family life tends to get in the way of these wonderful ideas. I'm sure I could do a lot of intensitve stuff with DS2 if I ever had sufficiently regular 1 on 1 time with him, with nothing else to do.)

And there would be arguments over the washing up grin

ouryve Thu 28-Mar-13 08:37:25

I shall, of course, be interested to see how everyone who is trying it gets on grin

zzzzz Thu 28-Mar-13 10:38:36

I don't think it's too much work.

My plan is 24 saucers, 6 bits of strawberry, 6 bits of pringle, and 12 bits of scrambled egg (egg being what I want to add). As far as I can see that means scrambling one egg, breaking up a crisp and cutting a strawberry into 6 pieces. Saucers will all fit in the dishwasher so no trouble.

I actually think ds will think I've gone barking mad, but that may work in my favour.

I'm not sure how long to try for? Does 10 days sound wimpy? Because frankly I will probably struggle with more if there is no joy.

It sounds like it would work better with a toddler in a high chair than an eight year old.

ouryve Thu 28-Mar-13 11:25:27

It would work better if the eating is happening in the kitchen, too. Though for DS2, the "saucers" would somehow have to be out of sight, or else he'd want them all, together, now. Even if they were out of sight, he'd soon suss where I had them.

Theycallmestacy Thu 28-Mar-13 11:44:37

Off to the pound shop for plastic plates. Ds doesn't even eat 1 of his 5 a day. Two week holiday seems like a good time to try it.

zzzzz Thu 28-Mar-13 12:22:27

So how many of us are trying this madness? grin

I can't start till term time, but shall we .....erm blob together?

MareeyaDolores Thu 28-Mar-13 17:55:56

It worked!!!!!

Ended up leaving breakfast idea, and waiting till now, prompted by 2 dc trying to raid the cupboards for nutella on bread. One likes cheese hates apricots and the other vice versa. So cheese / nutella / apricot

Plates were still in dishwasher, so just loaded breadboard with supplies plus 2 teaspoons. And simplified it to 8 spoons of each food (12/6/6 was overloading my teatime brain).

They ate most of the mini-blobs cos they wanted to clear the non-liked food off the spoon to make space for nutella grin.

Blobbed each child's spoon with random selection, 8 nutella / 8 tiny apricot bits / 8 crumbs of cheese

MareeyaDolores Thu 28-Mar-13 17:56:42

Ending on nutella/White bread obviously [grin{

zzzzz Thu 28-Mar-13 18:35:54

Eh?

shock

IT WORKED!!!!

I don't fucking believe it!

I was thinking of it as mild entertainment as HE needs random boosts every so often.

It worked <wanders off feeling slightly bemused>

zzzzz Thu 28-Mar-13 18:37:08

shock

AnotherAlias Thu 28-Mar-13 18:56:44

Mareeya - I need to try your (one-spoon) method -

ds is 11. (the family members who eat food were having bolognese for tea so I used bun cases for buttered toast, cheese and a teeny bit of bolognese

(first cheese blob) -he's outraged "it's not very much" - clearly he thinks he is going to be starved tonight
(toast square) [won't eat it as he isn't 100% sure it is toast]
(mince) - scream, handflapping runs out of the room.
I persuade him back to another 'go' of cheese
him - is this a joke, mum?
(mince) "you can take that away - I'll just have the cheese ones".

SO I'm going to try the SAME spoon - as described by Mareeya - otherwise he just sits through the mince phase until I bring out the cheese again. I think I'll raise the stakes from cheese to Nutella.

eurgh nutella - mince- nutella - cheese - nutella biscuit

hazeyjane Thu 28-Mar-13 19:01:22

I am intrigued.

I will have to read properly, because my tired brain hasn't quite understood.

Do you think it would work with a toddler, who is resisting sitting in a highchair, and screams the place down if a piece of banana is even near him?

zzzzz Thu 28-Mar-13 19:24:34

I think it has a much much better chance of working with a toddler.

I'm still shock

moondog Thu 28-Mar-13 19:56:42

Are you sure she talked of 24 blobs at a time?
Just rereading Claire's abstract.....

An analysis of least-to-most intrusive procedures in the treatment of food selectivity in children with
Autism
CLAIRE MCDOWELL (University of Ulster), Claire Duffy (University of Ulster), Aoife Mulvaney (University
of Ulster)
This study builds on previous research in relation to food selectivity by exploring the treatment components
necessary to increase acceptance using the least intrusive treatment model. Intervention components were
introduced in a sequential treatment approach in the following order, 1) repeated presentation, 2) repeated
presentation and Differential Positive (Alternative) Reinforcement (DRA), and 3) repeated presentation, DRA and
Escape Extinction (EE). All participants presented with a diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorders ( ASD) and
food selectivity issues. A delayed multiple baseline design was employed across four non-preferred
foods. Repeated presentation (treatment condition 1) of non-preferred food was only sufficient to increase
acceptance to an achievement criteria level for participant 1. Escape Extinction (treatment condition 3) was a
necessary component to increase acceptance for participants, 2, 3 and 4. Similarities between severity of food
selection and level of treatment required are discussed.
12:

zzzzz Thu 28-Mar-13 20:20:58

My problem is going to be a smiley faced "joker" saying "NNOOOoooo" like a pantomime dame on the yucky bits, and "good Mummy" on the tasty bits. He will consider it just another Mummy training joke-arama.

zzzzz Thu 28-Mar-13 20:23:03

This is however the ONLY suggestion bar "be firm" crap that I've been given and I KNOW cracking food would be tide turning for us.

flowwithit Thu 28-Mar-13 20:42:47

I need to spend more time reading this thread to understand this better but it seems a good idea perhaps not so practical and I have tried similar techniques before and given up. I think it looks good for younger children.
My ds is 12 though and I think I need to keep trying to get him eating different textures on the same plate rather than separate ones.
His foods are very restricted though and he would be happy if I only ever served him 3 very basic meals in rotation. He gets very stressed about new foods tastes and textures. I could try this to get him tasting fruit and maybe veg? But....Many a meal time has been ruined before by trying new techniques!

DH (an engineer) has suggested a sushi-bar system!

AnotherAlias Thu 28-Mar-13 21:04:39

I managed to find a paper once on the internet written by someone at Great Ormond Street which described how they introduce food in their program for selective eaters - just having the kind of food it on the side of the plate for several occasions, then build up to having the child smell the food, then very very gradually they build up to licking it and then biting it etc etc. Sadly I didn't print it or book mark it and for the life of me I cannot find it again.

It also rather assumes your dc will tolerate having the food on a plate in front of them - it took a very long time to get my ds to that stage.

moondog Thu 28-Mar-13 21:40:19

Star, I snuck off to Yo Sushi the first night I was in London (leaving the rest to their pizzas.)
I love Yo Sushi.
So behavioural.
Colour coded plates and a bell goes every 20 minuters for them all to down tools and wash hands.
Also illusion of choice within what is actually a carefully manipulated environment.

zzzzz Thu 28-Mar-13 21:48:59

grin moondog I will never Yo Sushi in the same way again...so true.

ROFL - so true!

Have to tell DH.

flowwithit Thu 28-Mar-13 22:11:37

That's funny I don't really get yo sushi at all it makes me uneasy all the plates of different foods going too fast to decide.
I have looked but never sat down and tried I think I would need to take a Yo sushi expert with me to make me try it grin

zzzzz Thu 28-Mar-13 22:16:34

I love Japanese food, so Yo Sushi is great for me. On the other hand it is terrifying with 5 children. Just totally out of control.

moondog Thu 28-Mar-13 22:27:30

Rofl at thought of 5 kids given free rein in yo sushi flow, if too fast, you know they will come around again.

zzzzz Thu 28-Mar-13 22:47:04

Shall I tell you about when 5 kids went to Vegas. wink

I am sometimes just a teensy bit ambitious.

moondog Thu 28-Mar-13 23:06:46

Yes! Please do!

zzzzz Thu 28-Mar-13 23:19:34

We flew in first class (delayed so upgraded) with Dh kneeling on the floor in front of ds1's seat holding his head while he "slept" upside down with his feet up the seat back. As we came in to land the air hostess was heard to say loudly to Dh, "no sir, don't you move, he's happy now" grin

We had a small issue with the language barrier, ds1 at that point answering to "whizzy" or "whizzer" which seemed to cause some consternation. grin

I'm sure more moments of bliss will com to me....

Perhaps luckily for the world our traveling days are a distant memory.

moondog Fri 29-Mar-13 11:02:41

grin

MareeyaDolores Fri 29-Mar-13 11:18:31

The 24 blobs was my translation grin.

Her powerpoints specified 'plastic plates' with 'pea size portions' of two 'preferred foods' (6 portions of each) and 12 portions of 'target food'.

So in Mareeya's lazy house we will get teaspoons with 24 mini-blobs, 8 foods you all love, 8 that you love but sib(s) hate, and 8 that you hate but sib(s) love. Food selectivity I can handle, but not if they all have different ones grin

AnotherAlias Fri 29-Mar-13 12:58:00

success - (ish) today

only saying ish as I really lowered the bar - plain boiled rice - doesn't taste of much, is colourless, fairly odorless and doesn't need to be chewed combined with nutella and mini marshmallows. Also was good as we could start with one tiny grain of rice. (it wasn't all plain sailing but he has agreed he likes rice now).
I didn't make a big deal out of it, but I did explain what I was up to as not explaining was making more of a drama of the situation- so he has agreed to do this every day with a new food - so we'll see if it will work for things that actually taste of something or require him to chew or bite.

just to recap he DOES want (in theory) to improve his diet, just up to now he can't bring himself to try new things. he is 11

AnotherAlias Fri 29-Mar-13 12:59:52

think it might be a while before we get to sushi though. or Vegas.

WilsonFrickett Fri 29-Mar-13 16:30:22

I really want to try this but I can't get my head round it. And I'm also pretty sure DS will just shake his head at me, whisper 'you are seriously twisted mother' and then go and make some toast.

Will have to try once DP goes back to work too, as it will send him over the edge...

zzzzz Fri 29-Mar-13 16:44:26

I think it's a mistake to make it 2 nice sweet things and one savoury not nice thing?? Surely easier if they are similarly tasting things, ie bread, potato, rice or orange, grape, jelly??

I agree with wilson this is not an exercise to do with an audience.

tacal Fri 29-Mar-13 18:02:23

I was going to try this today but didn't. I am too scared of making things worse by confusing ds. I think I will have to fully explain what I am doing and make sure he understands.

AnotherAlias, it is good to hear you were successful with rice. I might try that too.

Yes zzzzz, I will probably try 3 savoury things. Dont think my DS would like savoury and sweet.

MareeyaDolores Fri 29-Mar-13 18:19:55

I suspect the quickest successes will be with things that are 'nearly' acceptable already. I tried again today with a miniscule bit of my own lunch (scrambled-egg-smoked-salmon) as the new food, which was a lot bit too brave I think.

None of them went near it, and there was a lot of shouting about the smell and how evil I am... So I've saved a bit to try again just before tea time grin. Will update later.

MareeyaDolores Fri 29-Mar-13 18:21:16

Also got a bag of Pom bears for the bribe preferred food condition.

MareeyaDolores Fri 29-Mar-13 18:25:00

What I didn't say, was that success often came after the child had spent several mealtimes just looking at the 'target food' mini-blob. I can't remember what the maximum was, but I got the impression that persistence (in the face of initial failure) was the key skill to master.

zzzzz Fri 29-Mar-13 18:28:28

Ok, explain again.
I set up all the blobs out of sight.

I present a blob firmly without comment

I wait five seconds looking nonchalant.

If he touches the blob I give him an extra five seconds in case he is moved to scoff it.

I remove plate without comment and present the next random blob.

What do I do if he pushes the plate away and says "no"?

When do I start prompting, "just bite it"?

Do I explain the rules first?

zzzzz Fri 29-Mar-13 18:30:13

Do I start or finish with an acceptable food?

Do I keep going working on one new food or try different non-acceptable foods on successive days?

MareeyaDolores Fri 29-Mar-13 20:09:21

Ok, the 'target food' stays the same till you've done a lot of trials (Not sure of exact number). The 'saying no' etc you just completely ignore. Always finish with a preferred food. The other foods are presented in random order. Though I can see a benefit to having a preferred food for the first bite, sort of gets them going grin. I didn't really understand about when to use prompting. But then, for us, verbal 'command' prompting is often not very helpful (and I'd rather crack the food thing before trying to sit at the table addressing the demand avoidance / control issues of all 3 dc simultaneously)

I foolishly broke the 'target food stays the same for lots of trials' rule in my initial excitement re apricot success blush. And of course then dh, having witnessed the lack of lunchtime success today, said its a stupid idea and wouldn't let me do it at tea time <sigh>. So it's back to <fingers crossed> successful apricots/Nutella/ cheese before their porridge tomorrow, I think, and will stick with that before introducing the next item.

zzzzz Fri 29-Mar-13 20:17:13

thanks my Dh is utterly unhelpful about such things. It is very annoying.

MareeyaDolores Fri 29-Mar-13 20:39:27

Yep. And of course, im kicking myself cos if I'd let him see the apricot thing, he'd still have thought I was nuts, but would've humoured me in my madness.

zzzzz Fri 29-Mar-13 22:40:01

Ignore him, he has no vision. wink

I have to say I'm looking forward to it. I may make tick charts to track progress. <geek alert>

Tacal Sat 30-Mar-13 11:59:55

ds is scared of crisps. A psychologist said I shouldnt let it continue to be a big issue because it can make life very difficult if he starts refusing to go anywhere where there are crisps eg parties.

Do you think it would be a good idea or bad idea to make crisps, well a tiny bit of a crisp, the target food?

Would appreciate any thought you have on this because I dont want to make things any worse.

Thank you x

AnotherAlias Sat 30-Mar-13 12:27:35

Could you get back in touch with the psychologist and ask him.her what they had in mind for preventing it becoming an issue?

Also - do you need him to eat crisps? - or just to tolerate being in the same room as them or have them on the table where he is sitting?

I have no expertise in this, I can only tell you about my ds who used to go 'into one' if something 'disliked' was on his plate. This made eating anywhere other than home a risky business as there were only about 7 "likes" Anyway after another embarrassing exit from a cafe...

When he was about nine we explained and he agreed that this was not how he wanted to be - and that this lettuce leaf / onion what ever wasn't going to physically harm him and no-one was going to force him to eat it - he could see the logic of this, so that was half (but only half) the battle.
We practiced at home -very slowly getting him to sit near the offending item, then building up to having something on a side plate while he ate his dinner and eventually to having a teeny bit on his own plate as long as it wasn't touching his own food. However I am not sure If we are "right" though as he still struggles to eat more than a few foods and we completely ignored the idea of him even touching the food - only recently we have discovered this is an issue - he won't take part in cooking lessons at school....
so that's something else we need to tackle

Tacal Sat 30-Mar-13 14:17:18

Hi AnotherAlias, thank you for sharing this with me. You have done a great job of teaching your ds to tolerate being around foods he does not like. Well done and thank you for sharing your experience with me.

You are right, I had forgotten that I do not need ds to eat crisps. Just to be around them. I will focus on this for now and work up to him tolerating them being on the table while he is eating. I can phone the psychologist for advice. She had suggested he play with crisps to get used to the feel and crunchy sound but he is not willing to do this at the moment.

Good luck to everyone who is trying this action plan.

zzzzz Sat 30-Mar-13 15:28:57

What about playing with them inside a ziplock bag?

Tacal Sat 30-Mar-13 18:12:58

good idea, zzzzz! Will give this a try.

babiki Sat 30-Mar-13 19:19:09

Really interesting, thank you for sharing.

How woudl you do it, if the child does not feed himself - he is capable physically, but does not want to? Only finger feeds certain crisps and biscuit..should I just give it in from of him anyway?

Also, he would throw any plates (we use plastic only anyway), would it defy the point to give the bits of food straight on his tray? Thinking about it, he would probablt throw it all out as well - but just touching new stuff could be good.

He actually touched a cucumber last week for the first time, it only took 6 months of offering in preschool smile))

zzzzz Sat 30-Mar-13 19:51:16

I'd give it without the plate. One step at a time, plates can come later.

Tacal Sun 31-Mar-13 10:26:02

If ds picks up the target food, puts it in his mouth but spits it out and says he does not like it. Do I move onto a new target food or keep trying with the same one?

MareeyaDolores Sun 31-Mar-13 21:08:17

Tacal, I think the official approach is carry on, while considering patting yourself on the back for achieving the milestone of 'tasting it' grin

Obviously, some discretion may be called for if they seem to be allergic. Or if you've made an error with target food choice eg sprouts or something that most dc seem to genuinely hate wink

MareeyaDolores Sun 31-Mar-13 21:20:25

I couldn't do apricots as planned (couldn't find the packet before breakfast, and we were with family for lunch). So did butter / bread / microscopic sliver raw tomato with 2 dc. Dd licked it grin.

Something odd followed... after i gave them the last butter blob they both looked at me in a very defiant/triumphant sort of way.... and insisted on trying the unfamiliar soup, ie not a target food, I think they were trying some sort of bizarre double bluff on me grin.

MareeyaDolores Sun 31-Mar-13 21:25:54

Babiki, he only finger feeds a few crisps? I'm wondering whether broadening the crisp-type repertoire would be a sensible first target?

Pom bears / walkers / tortilla chips / mini cheddars / breadsticks etc.

MareeyaDolores Sun 31-Mar-13 21:29:05

Tacal, would he tolerate a fragment of soggy crisp in the bath?

MareeyaDolores Sun 31-Mar-13 21:30:00

Actually, bad idea <bath phobia risk>

Watching this thread with interest, not yet ready to try it though.

I will have to think what I would start on; he likes strawberry yoghurts, but won't eat strawberries - a blob of strawberry? Doesn't seem too risky...

Cheese? Banana? I think I would go along with the chocolate spread/Nutella as the preferred option, I do think it will remain recognisable even as a tiny blob.

Sorry, just thinking out loud, will keep reading, everyone's input is helpful and clarifies what I have to do <dopey>

MareeyaDolores Tue 02-Apr-13 20:40:17

Complete disaster
2 dc out of 3 now switched to total defiant non-compliance screaming and throwing the mini-blobs, then refusing their main courses

the other moans, declines to comply with the 'stupid game' but actually eats most of it as he's always liked his food

and of course DH has mutinied as well

Think I need 'escape extinction' confused but tonight I just shouted, cleared the table, and put them all to bed, hungry or not blush

MareeyaDolores Fri 05-Apr-13 00:18:53

Update:

'Escape extinction' achieved from weds breakfast time by strapping ds2 in chair, and by telling dd that sanctions might include wardrobe restrictions.

Dropped the '24 morsels' for now (ABA-ing myself, by making this more achievable wink, hopefully will get 'fluent' and can then up my game) so am still presenting a mini-first course for each meal with something they like, plus a less favoured or unfamiliar food eg the apricots.

Dd is sort-of complying, will taste when I insist though often the teensiest bit, along with exaggerated and unconvincing gagging pantomimes grin. Ds2 has been more of a challenge hmm. DS1 has moaned a lot about the Total Stupidity of Mum's Pointless Ideas, and this has perhaps distracted him from realising he's eaten almost everything.

zzzzz Fri 05-Apr-13 01:02:50

As a food related but non blob related aside, ds nearly accidentally ate a kidney bean today. Dispite very limited language he was able to communicate his disappointment and disgust at its presence on his plate with his masterful rejection. grin

I await blob war with renewed enthusiasm.

Mareeya what about offering three liked foods til they are back on board with the plan?

MareeyaDolores Sun 07-Apr-13 23:53:07

zzz that is a very good idea grin Am continuing to de-sensitise the dc and most importantly dh and myself to the idea of starters for now, and one thats mastered, might well begin the 24-blobs-you-like approach.

dev9aug Fri 26-Apr-13 20:22:46

can anybody update us on how it went for you. I am going to start inroducing new foods to ds1 so would like your reviews please..grin

I'm starting this next week! First up is mashed potato followed by boiled potato followed by roast pot followed by rice! This will be hard work!

Join the discussion

Join the discussion

Registering is free, easy, and means you can join in the discussion, get discounts, win prizes and lots more.

Register now