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Anyone else going to the EABG next week?

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Looks like I'm going to be running from room to room all day but I'm about to colour in my programme and find the break slots.

Is anyone interested in meeting up? I'll be the one who is NOT SCARY! grin

moondog Fri 22-Mar-13 12:51:50

Ah excellent.
Was about to put in a little reminder for the MNers again.
What do you fancy going to Star?

Well all the ones that have titles that I understand, and all the ones that have titles I don't! grin

TBH I'm such a lay person I could probably just park myself in one room and stay there and be totally facinated by whatever came.

Sadly I can't make any of the workshops on Wednesday though.

bochead Fri 22-Mar-13 13:13:59

Yup I'll be there on Mon & Tues for deffo. Can't afford the workshops on Wed. (Death to all washing machines and plumbers!)

I'm going to those lectures which I understand the title of (my background is very practical, not pysch stuff) blush. I'll be the one walking round scratching head hopefully no longer wearing an eye patch lol!

moondog Fri 22-Mar-13 13:21:57

Most of the people there are practical hands on types, Bochead.
At least the ones I work with (many of whom are presenting).
Titles may sound a bit fancy but focus is on what works in day to day life.
Excellent, look forward to meeting you and seeing the lovely Star again.
I've never been to EABG before actually so v excited!

Dev9aug Fri 22-Mar-13 13:51:47

I might turn up on Monday, but hospital appointments all day Tuesday for the kids...sad

I went to the PT workshop last year. Just imagine eh? A whole day!

I really enjoyed it though. It was delivered with so much enthusiasm and humour.

Last year? - I mean last time.

sickofsocalledexperts Fri 22-Mar-13 14:16:01

I'm going!

moondog Fri 22-Mar-13 14:30:54

Hooray! Mini MN posse! grin
Dev, I really hope you can come.
Those talks in room 305 from 9:00 will be especailly relevant to you.
The people speaing are superb practitioners doing amazing work with people like your ds.
The fact that they are referring to something in a idfferent language is irrelevant (to you I mean-it's the same sort of intervention, irrespective of what language it is offered in.

I really want to see the blog man!

Although I had half an hour chat with him last time, in the foyer, without knowing who he was. Just as well I think.

Planning a FOI spam thanks to devs encouragement. Perhaps we can plot Dev!?

moondog Fri 22-Mar-13 14:55:51

I always say on Mn that blogman is really lovely but truly he is.
A person of great moral integrity.
Ooh, looking forward to hearing about the FOI spam.
You should pick up lots of useful tips on low cost effective behavioural intervention in the state sector.

Inappropriatelyemployed Fri 22-Mar-13 15:04:29

This would be very interesting if I could make it.

Out of interest, as ABA has been around for a quite a long time, are there any contributions to discussions made by those who have been recipients of the ABA method? You get many AS/HFA speakers who can shed real light on understanding the difficulties those with ASD face. It would be really interesting to hear from the 'users' perspective of the benefits of ABA rather than those just delivering the service.

I mean get a load of OTs or SLTs in a room and they will tell your their interventions are hugely successful too.

I think it would be fascinating to hear from the individual in terms of the long lasting gains of the interventions.

Oops. Got it wrong. It was the SAFMEDS workshop I did, not the PT.

In my mind I could just see charts............

moondog Fri 22-Mar-13 15:54:33

Star, SAFMEDS are PT! grin
It's just one way of applying the principles.

Dev9aug Fri 22-Mar-13 16:29:00

Thanks moondog. and yes star plot away, I am sure we can come up with something. I don't know I want to take credit for encouraging you though. Mrstarlight might have to say something on that. grin

IA I was at a consult for ds1 re ABA last month and after our consultation, a young woman and her mother walked in, just ordinary people really, I didn't think much of it. I was told later that young woman was 16 and the consultant who we saw worked with her from a very early age and she was there to thank him. She also said that she was very grateful to her mother for providing her the opportunity to learn through ABA, otherwise there is no way she would be where she was today.

IA I think that ABA as an intervention for children that is made explicit is only really done so because of the climate.

It would possibly be like requesting an adult come and tell you how much they benefitted from 'The listening tree' at school or the deprived disaffected class of East End Morris dancers focussing on the method that was used to teach them rather than the fact that they worked hard, developed huge self-confidence and travelled the world representing England.

<I realised I've probably lost you with the morris dancing though>

MareeyaDolores Fri 22-Mar-13 18:21:49

Will be there Tues. Hopefully with a carrot on my lapel grin

Oooh, will I get to meet you?

Are you as funny in real life?

Sorry. After that, the answer is probably no to my first question.

moondog Fri 22-Mar-13 18:56:35

It's great that Mareeya is coming too.
She is great company. Tres intelligent and very funny. grin
We will have a right laugh.
I am looking forward to pointing out my fantastic colleagues to my imaginary online friends.

Ah. I met some already. I got them into a restaurant when the one they had planned to visit was full. Not Londoners for sure!!! grin

Absolutely love to meet Mareeya!

moondog Fri 22-Mar-13 20:25:34

Nice to have a local to show the yokels about.
Shame you Londoners don't have an MSc in ABA course down there in the big smoke though and need the hicks to lead the way.

MareeyaDolores Fri 22-Mar-13 20:36:59

Am ridiculously excited to be able to talk 'evidence' with you lot in person grin. At the moment am going to have to be Cinderella leaving tuesday's ball at 3pm though... need a serious word with dh hmm

I just can't wait to hear blogman!

moondog Fri 22-Mar-13 20:42:16

Star did you not hear him actually speak formally last time?
Maryeea, I have a posse of p/g pstudents working with me on the stuff we learnt about when we met. V exciting.

No. I don't know why but I didn't.

MareeyaDolores Fri 22-Mar-13 21:09:47

Evidence-based CAMHS society is probably the way to crack the over-specialised, rather fragmented London academic psychology scene. There's so much expertise in minutiae that a generalist approach like ABA hasn't got an obvious 'home'. Would personally really love to see it in the philosophy-heavy Institute of Education <cackle>.


Never in a million years, - though the idiot that was, has moved on.......

Gone to bury his head in the psychotherapy world where it always was

MareeyaDolores Sat 23-Mar-13 08:22:06

He'll be needing to become evidence-based these days then, and subject his pet theories to testing <evil grin>

moondog Sat 23-Mar-13 08:27:31

The most surreal thing of all is that in the publically funded 'caring' sector, it's as if it's only just struck people that they need to be proving that waht they are doing has an effect. The fact that you are doing something in itself has until now, been seen to be proof enough. hmm

I think I told you Maryeea about the s/lt conference I went to.
I was looking over some social skills interventions for teens and asked the author how one measured effectiveness and she looked at me as if I was mad 'Oh no, you don't' she said 'You just do it'.
Then I saw a book on yoga for autistic kids, and lost the will to live and went home.
How bloody insulting it all is to people who need help.
Here's a quote from that website you linked to

'In the changing NHS, in voluntary organisations
and in social care systems, demonstrating and
improving the effectiveness of what we do as
clinicians has never been more important.'

Really??! One would never have thought so! hmm

bochead Sat 23-Mar-13 08:52:46

Head of my locale's clinical pysch services.

Course he uses lots of long words and grave sighs, etc, when intimidating mere teachers, and condesending to parents. cos he's very important. His knowledge base is so extensive he has no need to even meet the child before pronouncing judgment.

However I'm onto him, I KNOW what happened to Alf Garnett when he was taken off the air ; )

He's had elecution lessons of course but still "evidence round 'ere- go on gerrout!"

Country Hicks are sorely needed!

moondog Sat 23-Mar-13 09:10:06

<grave sighs>
Yes I know the sort.
Cocking head to one side while asking searching questions then nodding and hmmming vigorously (the occasional 'absolutely!' doesn't go amiss either) also deflects attention from the fact that
1. you are talking crap
2. you don't even know the kid in question

moondog Sat 23-Mar-13 09:12:08

It maikes me laugh (it has to or I would cry).
Total house of cards/Emporer's New Clothes scenario

As people often say on here, how refreshing it would be if just sometimes people said 'I'm sorry, I'm totally out of my depth here so I won't waste your time nad mine by pretending to know what to do about it. Can we all look at the situation again and start from the bottom?'

sickofsocalledexperts Sat 23-Mar-13 09:19:57

I think I have the worst case now Moondog.

There is a school being set up near me on TEACCH/eclectic principles. Their bid has blown a proposed ABA school out of the water.

And what system is the leading light of the TEACCH proposal using to educate her own kid?

Aba of course.

It is worse than politicians who espouse comprehensive schools for all, then quietly send their own child to Eton.

bochead Sat 23-Mar-13 09:28:22

Thing is the version of TEACCH we see here in the UK (esp in mainstream) bears NO relation whatsoever to the pedagogy and techniques used in the original setting. As it's an American system I'm often confused as to why the Brits haven't been sued yet for bringing a reasonably effective methodology into total disrepute.

There is a special reserved loathing space in my heart for "eclectic" just in front of "holistic". The minute I hear either of those phrases in a meeting I know my kid is about to be screwed over.

sickofsocalledexperts Sat 23-Mar-13 09:34:49

Yes Bochead

I think eclectic could be loosely translated as "throw any old shit in, at least it livens up the day a bit for the teachers"

Bochead I use 'eclecting' and 'holistic' before they do these days.

When I am asking for something specific, I insist that without it his holistic needs will not be met for example.

Try it. It throws them as 'holistic' is usually their defence.

bochead Sat 23-Mar-13 10:45:01

How can you keep a straight face as you say it Star?

I'm honestly starting to wonder if it's an ASD trait of my own not to be able to restrain my gurning.

Holistic should only be applied to describe woo woo retreats in Carthmenshire or Morrocco. Eclectic whose use should be forbidden to everyone but cavat wearing interior designers. TEACCH should involve active teaching. Executive head teachers should be renamed overpaid vegetable gardening administrators, and any school that appoints one should instantly be failed by Oftstead for bringing the profession into disrepute.

moondog Sat 23-Mar-13 11:05:43

Hahaha at all of these comments!
Sickof, that is bloody unbelievable. You must tell me more when I see you.
I am morally unable to advocate anything for anyone else's child that I would not advocate for my own. That eliminates instantly about 90% of what is offered by the SEN industry.
Star has a very good point-throw all of this jargon back at them to describe what you want and are doing. It confuses them and gets them on your side.

Remember what Nixon said-better to have people in your tent pissing out than out pissing in.

When I hear the word 'eclectic' I hear 'No-one actually knows' and expect the next words to be 'Light Orchestra'.

TBH, I have found that the term 'ABA' is often considered synonomous with 'undesirable', and 'eclectic' with 'desirable'. I couldn't give a frig what whatever I want is called, so I just call it their preferred term. Particularly given that they rarely know what 'eclectic' even means in concrete terms and certainly haven't a clue what ABA means.

Moondog, some of the spat between the two schools was played out on MN. It was quite shocking actually, especially as the key bod opening the TEACHH school openly admitted to doing ABA with her own child.

I guess for some, power and control and crucially 'funding' is more important than approach.

That's a relief Mareeya but I bet he'll get to retirement before any of this is actually embedded practice.

The thing is. People can argue with ABA as a word, but not as a concept, and not when you call it holistic.

moondog Sat 23-Mar-13 12:53:38

Was it?
Crikey, I missed that one.
Because of prejudice against ABA (although not in the places I work) some recommend using data driven evidence based practice because that is all that ABA is.

When I was looking for suitable schools for my dd I interviewed headteachers and SENCOs and the first question I asked was what evidence based data driven practice they used.
He asked me what that meant.
Silently I punched the air because that was exactly what I wanted him to say in that it provided me there and then with enough evidence to tell the (very good) LEA that I wasn't sending my child to a school where the head displayed such an embarrassing attitude and lack of knowledge.

There was no argument whatsoever. grin

bochead Sat 23-Mar-13 12:54:46

Ethics just past common sense on the way out sad

I'm sure the rare good professionals I've come across think I'm nuts, as it's so hard to hide my overwhelming relief/exitement/amazement.

(Wanders off to practice her poker face)

sickofsocalledexperts Sat 23-Mar-13 13:03:03

I think it all comes down to the following basic point:

The autism educational establishment doesn't really think our kids can learn much, so they don't value professionalism. Knowing the words to key nursery rhymes is all that's required.

I think I've told this story before, but when a pal and I were visiting one of this country's flagship autism schools, which is seen as leading edge and fabulous in all ways, we asked the Headteacher (who is also a leading light, and a "go to" person for government on autism) what qualificiations she required of her staff in the school?

She got a loving, faraway "ah bless" look in her eyes and said :

"All we ask is that they love the children!"

Now I'm all for staff loving my gorgeous boy, but I'd really quite like some teaching as well as fondness!

moondog Sat 23-Mar-13 16:56:03

"All we ask is that they love the children!"

Dear God, that is the last thing I would want someone to say.
All well and good if people like the kids. (I would add that the affection and care for the kids I work with shown by the staff, overwhelms me at times.)

But, as I always say to people. 'We're not paid to be nice. We paid to be effective.'

OhYeaBaby Sat 23-Mar-13 19:34:57

oh bochead

we have a lovely executive head at the moment (but maybe it means something different in our LEA?) In our case means a nice sane competent interim head sent to look after us all while everyone recovers from the last psycho head. (Well the staff /goverernors who haven't resigned in the few months 'it' was in post)
sorry to hijack.
as you were.

I've just seen this!!! I must start loitering around MN more. Is it open for general public if you register?? I am going to have to go if it is, now I have to go and sweet talk DH to drop everything so that I can travel to London from Devon.

HotheadPaisan Sun 24-Mar-13 07:50:35

Will any of it be recorded or any papers made available on a website do you know please?

moondog Sun 24-Mar-13 08:18:55

Yes to both.
Drowning, MNers are particularly welcome. smile
I work with the organisers and made sure of this.
There will be plenty of other parents there do.
There'll be quite a contingent going.
If you message me I can tell you who I am.

Paisan, yes, and if you look on the webiste you'll see everything from 2011 (last time it was held)

Go to 'Downloads' for details of the three days

cool, I'll be there for all of tomorrow, I'll pm you moondog

really keen to see the sessions on MimioSprout, this has been recommended for DS.

moondog Sun 24-Mar-13 09:39:09

I've messaged you DiL and will keep an eye out for you tomorrow.
Got to go and catch my train!

sickofsocalledexperts Sun 24-Mar-13 10:36:43

Moondog - which is the best session to attend on mimic reading? Juggling school run and driving across London!

sky111 Sun 24-Mar-13 13:42:33

I was thinking of going but as a parent decided again when, of course, there will be no attendee from my son independent special school. I have to weigh up any intervention that I could afford to implement for my son against the £60k package my LA are currently funding into this special school - school is providing a good caring service at the moment. Also I really dont want to rock my sons current levels against his renewal of DLA (transition over to PIP) now that he is in his mid teens as I feel he will need the DLA into adulthood but this can easily be taken away if 'educational progress' if shown.

Sky, I don't expect my ds' school to implement anything as a consequence of my attendance. I'm going more to learn for myself.
I'm not sure what you mean about afford either as most of what I do costs no more than a bit of stationery.

However, you do have to be prepared to be a little bit jealous of the families at the receiving end of leading interventions.

I would jump from joy if DS would show such progress that he didn't qualify for DLA, unfortunately despite my optimism it's probably unlikely to happen as a result of me parking my butt at a conference for a day....

googlyeyes Sun 24-Mar-13 16:20:33

Just to add that the woman Sickof referred to earlier does not just do ABA with her child...she has fought (and succeeded) in getting them into an ABA school!

There are no words

Anyway, as a totally unimaginative loose arrangement, I'll be in the refreshment room at refreshment time at 11am - lol.

I'll probably be with Boch because I know what she looks like, and neither of us look like us. Boch will hopefully be brave enough to wear/wave/dress as a vegetable. I might do a drawing of a carrot.

No words indeed googly Are you going?

sickofsocalledexperts Sun 24-Mar-13 17:15:13

Well I know you star so you can introduce me!

Yes of course. I didn't mean to exclude you but wasn't sure if you were going to make it by 11!?

About to send you a PM.

sickofsocalledexperts Sun 24-Mar-13 18:53:26

Moondog ignore my earlier question as have just printed out whole agenda which Star posted. Mimiosprout at 2pm looks great!

googlyeyes Sun 24-Mar-13 21:59:10

Unfortunately I'm unable to attend. I will be sending a v glamorous proxy though grin

moondog Sun 24-Mar-13 22:13:15

I will look out for you lot at 11 but am part of the symposium that kicks off at 11:20 so of I miss you I will catch you later. Star knows what I look like. Please come and say hello!

tryingtokeepintune Sun 24-Mar-13 22:38:06

I am not able to make it so really glad to here that the notes will be available later on.

Please, please will people come back and tell us (those unable to make it) about it.

You know what: I actually meant 10:30am! hmm sorry.

Will still be there at 11 for a bit though, but anyone has logged on this morning then 10:30 is when I meant.

Grrrrr. Too many Children.......

Dev9aug Mon 25-Mar-13 08:07:21

Well, the childcare arrangements have gone all pete tong, so I am going to miss the pleasure of seeing you all today.

star I am away till the 7th but PM me and we can talk more about the FOI requests. Enjoy your day everyone.

MareeyaDolores Mon 25-Mar-13 13:12:03

Sat in work envy. Any of you going to be around in the bar discussing ABA after it???

I can come tomorrow, though so will nayone be there?

Sadly no joy with getting time in lieu for the PT session on Weds biscuit even though am doing an extra day next Tues

OhYeaBaby Mon 25-Mar-13 13:52:26

with u in spirit - will definitely be looking at notes as well - assume they'll be on the same website...

moondog Mon 25-Mar-13 14:10:09

Sorry you folk can't join us. Maryeea, explains why I couldn't find you. Come tomorrow though! I'm sitting here with Star,Sickof and Drowning in laundry. Not sure where Bochead is though.

moondog Mon 25-Mar-13 14:12:50

Sorry yes, we will be in the bar of the Tavistock hotel in Tavistock square from about 6:20 I think. Before then in UCL psych. Dept. right next door to hotel.

I'm planning to be in the bar for a short time to. Hope you can join.

MareeyaDolores Mon 25-Mar-13 20:51:59

Aargh. Stupid end-of-year overload. Now worked too late to think abt train into London. Right, will see you all tomorrow... am going to cheekily PM my mobile no to those who made it to the bar in the hopes that someone will text me if i don't find you all in the morning. <prepares carrot lapel badge> grin

PleasantSpice Mon 25-Mar-13 20:53:30

Hope you're all having a good time! Disappointed I couldn't make it but am working with an amazing little boy, his family and therapists this week. 3 new sounds just today, so makes up for missing out on EABG! Have fun!

moondog Mon 25-Mar-13 23:10:38

Maryeea, will hunt you down tomorrow! Pleasant. We talked about you and your general fabulousness this evening. You never told me you got Schramm over!

Agh, tomorrow is looking tricky. Baby not that happy apparently. Dh offered him hot chocolate hmm, sugary warm milk and various other random milky stuff but not going down too well though he's now asleep all the same.

Had a brilliant time though. moondog your colleagues think an awful lot of you.

moondog Mon 25-Mar-13 23:21:02

You can't miss chance to meet Maryeea,star! She is coming tomorrow. Dd ok with Daddy surely?

I'm not home yet. Have to see how baby is and how he is overnight.

MareeyaDolores Tue 26-Mar-13 00:13:49

sadly not had contact the man himself, moondog, just been in very close partnership with Mr Scramm's book hmm

Though am very impressed with how clearly he writes grin

MareeyaDolores Tue 26-Mar-13 00:14:34

can you not bring the bubba? I can bring some slings....

MareeyaDolores Tue 26-Mar-13 00:15:42

pleasant, 3 new sounds is amazing! think you're walking the walk while everyone else in in london talking the talk

moondog Tue 26-Mar-13 02:00:23

Star, I think the world of them. You have met the crenelated de la creme when it comes to implementing ABA strategies in public sector settings.

PleasantSpice Tue 26-Mar-13 07:10:16

Yes moondog I got Schramm over to present his introductory workshop in Cardiff a few years ago. Who told you? He also saw a tricky client I work with a couple of times. We use 'his' cooperation techniques and they work a treat!

bochead Tue 26-Mar-13 08:05:56

Bursting boil on my eyelid prevented play yesterday, (gross much?) but I'm gonna be at the handwriting session from ten onwards today armed with my carrot wink.

I still look revolting but my son assures me he doesn't mind if people laugh at me, so I'm hoping MNetters won't either.

moondog Tue 26-Mar-13 08:38:09

Dev told me yesterday Pleasnt. V impressed. I love his book. Sorry to hear that Bochead. Hope you rally today!

Should be there in a bit. Left late as baby fed all night and morning hmm.

It was such a privilege to meet your colleagues again Moondog. They're amazing and at the same time unassuming and 'doers'. for someone that is so disillusioned with education provision it was a breath of fresh air to talk to them.

moondog Tue 26-Mar-13 10:19:01

Great you can come back! Maryeea is here! No sign of Bochead yet....
Yes they are fantastic aren't they? I am honoured to work with them.

PleasantSpice Tue 26-Mar-13 15:02:58

How's today going? Moondog what date shall I pencil in for next year? We've already got some bookings for next year so I want to make sure I get it pencilled in now!

moondog Tue 26-Mar-13 15:38:40

Good! Star, Boc and Maryeea are enjoying themselves I think. We've had lunch together and listened to some inspiring presentations. Star has now more or less signed up for the msc in ABA (yaaay) and Maryeea has waved a large ikea carrot at the audience in a big lecture and reminded the audience that parents don't like caring carrots who offer them nothing. Fab!!!
I'll have the date in the next couple of days and let you know.

Yay! Carrot-Waving at large audiences is the new sport!!!!

I am mega pissed off I couldn't stay for today, but yesterday was amazing and inspiring and such a breath of fresh air to be in a room full of people who really are the change they want to see in the world. Guys you should have seen Moondog she owned that stage [said in a Kelly Rowland accent], brilliant speaker and I wish we could clone her and send a replica to every LA in the land to infiltrate the rot. We have Active Support data sheet for daily living skills up and running now and my tutors love it. I want to do the Msc as well. I need to clone myself too. Science, we need more science. And more events like these.

MareeyaDolores Tue 26-Mar-13 21:38:56

It was fab! Have been on such a lovely evidence-based cloud since 10am. Even a migraine and ds2 drawing all over the sofa can't shift my good mood grin grin

Really enjoyed meeting moondog again and her great colleagues. And was brilliant meeting star and boch in RL. I was absolutely blown away by the Positive Behaviour Support psychologist, his presentation on respectfully and effectively promoting quality of life for adults with severe challenging behaviour has left me speechless. And he let me take his picture with boch's carrot grin for a spot the difference <competent professional> <caring carrot> (will upload when on the big computer)

moondog Tue 26-Mar-13 21:41:23

Drowning, you are too kind . I am cross that I did not get the chance to say goodbye to you,. It was do great to meet you and the rest of the posse. I think you got out of it what I wanted you all too-some major reinforcement!, I hope you got Corinnas details-she is an incredibly valuable contact for your free school venture. Wish you were all here. We are having a very jolly time In a Turkish restaurant-25 of us!

moondog Tue 26-Mar-13 21:58:04

Ah Maryeea just seen your post too. YesPBS guy was ace and all my colleagues in awe of your chutzpah with carrot. Someone had fleeting thought you were going to storm the stage with an incendiary device. Haha!!!! Drowning, fab you are using daily living skills record. My, you work fast!

OhYeaBaby Tue 26-Mar-13 22:10:54

ok I've put in my name and address and made my statement and now it says "wait" - so I'm waiting ... smile cabinet office link looks interesting too

Dev9aug Tue 26-Mar-13 22:32:23

Yes, I am gutted too.. I wish I could have attended more. Janet's presentation was absolutely amazing yesterday. There is just so much stuff which is out there which I had no clue about.

I was even more angry after Ds1 paed appointment today. Ds1 has made some progress and she seemed genuinely surprised. She commented that she has been doing this for years and the kids are the same, they are getting older but no improvement. So half we got out of there if this is what is normal there..

Especially after Janet's presentation yesterday I am thinking of sending her a DVD of ds1 ABA session. Open her eyes a little bit perhaps...

I just can't believe the carrot thing grin

Dev9aug Wed 27-Mar-13 05:33:31

Bloody hell, it looks like I killed the thread....anywaay..

How did the whole carrot thing came about, I am having a hard time imagining it. Did she just randomly stood up and started waving it around...or is there a context to it...

moondog Wed 27-Mar-13 08:54:35

It was at the end of the fantastic presentation by Peter baker. She and Boc were sitting by me on the floor (packed out) and I could here her saying to Boc (who had the carrot strapped to her backpack) 'give me the carrot!'
I did start thinking uh oh but knew she wouldn't be having a go at Peter S I could see she liked his talk very much . Then she stood Up, waved the carrot, explained what it was and said parents would support people like the present audience but that offerera of caring carrots knew where they could stick them. Everyone laughed and clapped, none more so than Peter, then she got him to pose with the carrot and took his picture! It was surreal collision of real life and my online world and will go down as one of the great EABG anecdotes. I had a log of people come over and say 'that woman with the carrot is your friend isn't she?'

moondog Wed 27-Mar-13 08:57:38

Not totally sure about provenance of carrot thing. Others will te to. Also TAGteach folk just emailed me to leg md know thee is a seminar in Bristol in September. Will post full details as that is unmissable. Maryeea came to the last one........ sans carrot howeve, as did another MNer.

'presentation by Peter baker' had me in tears. What a guy!

bochead Wed 27-Mar-13 12:05:17

It was so nice being surrounded by people who genuinely believe that with a helluva lot of hard work (noone downplayed the effort involved) many seemingly insurmountable problems for our children can be eventually overcome in time. They don't have all the answers, but are prepared to leave no stone unturned in the quest to find out! That fact just leaves me so inspired!

I was a little bit depressed by the fact that I personally didn't come across a single London/home counties public sector professional & yet all this info was being presented on their flipping doorstep! Hopefully they were just hiding from the carrot.

ABA is NOT just for ASD kids, it can be applied to all children, in order to help them learn more effectively. Star and I spoke to a lovely American physics professor who is using it to help his engineering students master his college level physics course more effectively.

I do urge you to join the £10 a year group. It'll be worth it just to gain access to the archives and info even if you never get to manage to attend a meeting.

Oh yes. No-one ever gave me the impression, no matter how high they had risen in their profession, that they just swan around 'advising/supporting/monitoring/observing'. These people are 'doers'. If no longer on the front line then the very least they do is 'demonstrate/model/train'.

tryingtokeepintune Wed 27-Mar-13 13:06:13

Sounds like everyone had a great time and got a lot out of it. Really wished I could have been there. A looking forwards to the notes - does anyone know when they'd be made available for the public?

moondog Thu 28-Mar-13 14:22:11

Trying, I've checked and there is not the capacity to put all the presentations on the website. (The entire conference was put together by a handful of p/g students) However the abstracts will be available shortly.


tryingtokeepintune Thu 28-Mar-13 17:15:00

Thank you.

Will have a look slowly over the hols.

MareeyaDolores Fri 29-Mar-13 20:19:33

Moondog, tell your pg students to have a look at this. It's a site fr academics to share their teaching resources, open-access, and truly amazing. Knowing their way round it will be really beneficial if they're looking for academic jobs... and they could practice by uploading the conference stuff wink.

I was sitting there thinking we should be recording this lot for you-tube <cross with self for not asking permission>

MareeyaDolores Fri 29-Mar-13 20:21:48

Just realised this guy is from Cardiff... does that help or hinder collaboration with Bangor? (tongue very firmly in cheek wink)

MareeyaDolores Fri 29-Mar-13 20:28:40

in fact, that Scandinavian guy from the European society was talking about the need to raise the profile of ABA, and he also mentioned there was a little bit of money in the current account.... surely disseminating such high-quality stuff to the world would do that, and employing a student is relatively cheap.

<rubs hands> If you emailed him as a proper professional presenter, I could follow up with an email on the same lines, cos i'm "mad carrot woman" it might be useful not to be the only person suggesting European ABA goes open-source grin

MareeyaDolores Fri 29-Mar-13 20:32:03

Peter Baker has put a similar presentation online already

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