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Anger management?

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jojo38 · 20/10/2004 17:57

Hello again, it seems like I'm going on and on about this and I am sorry but I feel so lost.

I remembered something that the Headmistress said to me - ds may need anger management! I feel even more useless now!! He has difficulties, sure! Frustration takes over and he gets in a strop - mainly at home, coz he can. At school, he is too embarrassed... as the head told me! I think it may help but I have an idea that he just will not accept this and will only cause him to doubt himself even more than he does.

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mrsforgetful · 20/10/2004 20:50

i will read your threads then post!

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hmb · 20/10/2004 20:57

How old is he , Jojo?

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Davros · 20/10/2004 21:20

Does he have a dx and what is it? I suspect he does not need anger management but the staff need to learn how to manage angry/challenging behaviour, its not his job, its theirs

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jojo38 · 21/10/2004 22:13

Hi, Sorry not to have got back earlier. Had a very emotional day with ds today. He is 10 btw. Being half term, we went out and got bored etc... so when we came back, I told them how disappointed I was with both of them (ds's). They had made me sad with their behaviour...etc. Anyway, ds(10) was sitting there with tears in his eyes. I felt awful. Ds(14) went upstairs to listen to some music and youngest ds and I had a really good chat. It ended up with him telling me that he has no friends because this other boy who has been giving him grief has stolen them all and he hoped that if he got this boy into trouble enough, then he would be expelled and ds would get his friends back. I cried!!!

Ds has dyspraxia dcd and is very very emotional amongst other things. I was telling him that this sort of thing happened to me and that I was so upset but I found a way of making myself feel better by thinking of all the lovely things that made me feel good, like my family, hobbies, favourite teatimes etc... How I didn't choke on my tears I don't know. I was blown apart really.
He has been having a rough time with ss and other ds at home too, it appears. ss - very nearly 10 tends to be a bit clingy with other ds. Youngest ds feels left out and doesn't know how to make friends and join in. When he asks, they tell him no and to go away. Oh, my heart aches so much.
Anyway, I have no idea how to make this better for him. I really don't.
I think I will start by talking to older ds and dh about it... I am so lost.
gotta go and have a cry now... thanks again. {{{hugs}}}

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hmb · 22/10/2004 07:52

What sorts of things (if any ) have the school said have triggered 'need' for anger management? And is there a particular reason why you think this would be a bad thing or do you just this it is unneccesary?

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jojo38 · 22/10/2004 10:14

Hi hmb
Before I had my chat with ds, they say that this is a cry for help and that he needs counselling and anger management. He does have some difficulty in controlling his emotions so when he is angry, he tends to really go into one. It's not so bad at home and I think it is less likely to happen at school as he would get very embarrassed.
Perhaps she was trying to help with the anger he shows at home?

It is now day 3 of half term here... so far, he has been really good and both ds's are getting on really well. Yesterday was a little tough tho. My mother has a tendancy to be less patient with children and her attitude wound me up something bad, it didn't do ds's any good either. That's when the chat came about.

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hmb · 22/10/2004 10:23

One thing I would say is that if this needs to be done it might be a good idea to do it before he moves up into the secondary school. I teach in secondary and we see lots of great kids who find it difficult to make the change from the support of having one main teacher to having lots of different members of staff working with them.

If you don't mind me asking, how bad are the strops? Do other people feel that they are out of the ordinary or is it just the school acting in this way?

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Davros · 22/10/2004 12:34

The thing is, if they learn to manage his behaviour he will also learn. What evidence does she have for saying its a "cry for help" that is psychotherapeutic mumbo jumbo imo, how can she tell that's the reason? They need to analyse what situations/people/issues cause outbursts and agree a consistent strategy

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hmb · 22/10/2004 12:55

I think that for the best effect both the school has to learn and the student. And the school has to do more than simply avoid flash points (even tho that can be useful). I've seen too many IEPs that just say, 'Avoid backing the child into a corner' and then nothing else. The school has to have meaningful stratagies, but the child can also benefit very much fom anger management. If for no other reason it can be a potential life saver if someone desn't act in the child's best interest and fails to follow the IEP. I worry about lots of our kids who haven't learned to control their anger. They may cope well in school because be do try to follow the iep, they then leave and can't understand how the rest of the world can be so provoking. Down to the poor standars of IEPs that can sometimes just practice avoidance rather than real change (for both school and child IYSWIM)

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dolally · 22/10/2004 21:59

jojo, i was very moved to read this thread and feel so sorry for you. I probably can't offer any constructive advice except to say that I'm sure having a mum like you will go a long way to helping your ds, keep it up - even if you have to go and cry in private -- everything you do, just your acceptance and love will help him. Whether he needs professional help or just to learn to master his emotions, I don't know. But I send you lots of love anyway.

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jojo38 · 22/10/2004 23:03

Hello all, thanks again for your support.

Both ds's have been really great this half term, so far. There have been no fights or strops at all from youngest ds. I have felt so relaxed and happy with them. Usually it is a nightmare.

Ds's strops started when he was a toddler. He used to bang his head on the floor. Nowadays he tends to sulk and be very very negative about the situ and himself. If he is approached about it to try and make things better for him he just closes up even further. As far as I can make out, he does not have these episodes of anger or strops at school.

A while ago, about a year or so, he flipped into a tantrum here at home. We had bought him one of those plasma lamps for his birthday. A few months on from that he really wound me up and I sent him to his room to think about his behaviour. I heard this almighty smash and screams beyond my comprehension. I flew upstairs to find the fine glass all over the floor and him sitting on his bed screaming with fear. I had never seen anything like it. Since then nothing like that has happened. Now he stomps upstairs and slams doors, mutters under his breath, takes it out on anyone in his way, usually his brother who is twice the size of him and does not allow him to get away wth it.

He is inconsolable when he is in a mood. There is no talking to him at all. It may sound like the usual child tantrum, not getting his own way but at times he hasn't done anything overly wrong. He may have accidentally tripped over the coffee table - I will ask if he is ok, and he will - at times - flip into strop mode. At times if I ignore the accident for instance, he will then sit and sulk then tell me I don't care!

Thing is, it may not seem like it, but he is the most loving young man. He is very attentive and notices anything different about me - tells me how nice I look, that I have had my hair done different etc... not your usual man in the house, put it that way.

I do so desperately want him to be able to cope with these difficulties before secondary school. I know that some others can pick up on these difficulties and make lives hell. I know he won't cope with too much of what can be dealt out by older children.

I feel a bit of a fraud. There are so many people with needier difficulties and so many who struggle to get through to the next day.

Ds's difficulties are not visible to many which does make it difficult for even me to cope with when others just put a label on him or assume that there are other things that may need addressing, or that he is just a bit of a sh*t. At least here I can tell you ladies how it is, and get an honest and open verdict which I do appreciate.

I know he needs support in some way or another. He has very low self esteem and he knows he is different than another child. He is very sensitive about how he looks, and I know he's mine, but he is very handsome. Dark eyes and hair, beautiful skin! He does turn heads and has done so since a baby.

He doesn't wear clothes round his waist, he can't bear it. Every pair of trousers is pushed down onto his hips. He can't wear proper school trousers because they make him look dreadful! Not all kids wear the proper trousers so I am in luck finding a pair of elasticated trackies that pass as a smart pair of trousers. Still he pushes them down. His tummy is larger than it perhaps should be because he has very low muscle and joint tone.
We do have exercises for him and he knows he must do them but it gets difficult when he doesn't want to. You can lead a horse to water, but.... well this horse will kick if you push too much.

Goodness me, I am sorry. I have rabbled on... I will be telling you what colour underwear he wears next!! Thanks all... You are a bunch of hunnies.

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