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Here are some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on special needs.

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pecs question

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staryeyed · 23/09/2007 10:30

We managed to get a really good start with pecs and realised just how wrong the SALT was doing it. Anyway we got stuck generalising it. Basically we can sit down and have a pecs session but if ds wants something he will still pull me to the object or bring it to me. my question is how do you generalise before being able to discriminate between the pecs cards? If ds wants something he will not know which card to give to me iyswim. I thought generalising came after the discrimination stage but one of ds workers seems to think differently. Can anyone clarify?

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Davros · 23/09/2007 12:52

I think you have to keep at the stage you've got to for a lot longer tbh. When he DOES pull you to an object or bring it to you, go back to the PECs book and hand-over-hand get him to give you the PEC on the strip. Without being rough or ignoring his other attempt, just reinforce it with the PECs over and over and over.....!

staryeyed · 23/09/2007 13:19

Thanks Davros. Sometimes I dont know what he wants so I wouldnt know what card to give- what do I do in that circumstance?

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moondog · 23/09/2007 17:39

Do you have the manual handy?
At this stage,when working on a PECS session you should have the card for the available activity stuck on the front of the book and only be working with that.

However,if you are using a card for say,chocolate and your child is pointing and reaching for the biscuits,you know straight away that at this moment in time, chocolate is not his best reinforcer so you need to change the picture and be working for the biscuits.

(Sorry about your bad experience with salt.I do so wish they wouldn't asume that they know about PECS without having been on a course! I am one too!)

staryeyed · 23/09/2007 18:14

So are you saying moondog that we should be just doing sessions of PECS and not generalising through the day? On the course they made it very clear how to do each stage but not so about how to move through the stages. I will look in my manual. When should we move onto discriminating between cards? Is this when we use it constantly through the day? Im a bit confused.

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Davros · 23/09/2007 19:38

I do see what you mean Staryeyed about not knowing what it is he is asking for so therefore not having a card to use. I suppose you should let him lead you or bring the item, then reinforce the PECs skill using the card and, if you don't have it, make one fast!! You can even just use part of a wrapper, picture out of a magazine etc. HTH

staryeyed · 23/09/2007 19:57

That makes sense Davros.

I looked in the manual but it still doesn't make it clear about going from stage 2 to 3. I know they say stage 2 lasts forever.

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moondog · 23/09/2007 20:44

Stary,I haven't my manual to hand but it is very clear.
I don't want to say too much more as it may confuse you (far better to have RL talk with someone who knows what they are doing.)
Have you somebody to speak to?

gess · 24/09/2007 09:09

I woould be doing stage 2 officially at the table, but in day to day stuff allow him to lead you to whatever it is he wants, then when you know insist on a PECS exchange (fully prompted if necessary) before handing the item over. See the real life discrimination as back up rather than official teaching iyswim.

staryeyed · 24/09/2007 09:11

No moondog The only person that knows about PECS is the one that is confusing me.

I know that once ds can do distance and persistence's he should do discrimination ds can do sessions of PECS well but can not generalise. n the manual it says that once distance and persistence is mastered to move on but It doesnt say if that is in a session or generally. Sorry if Im not being clear.

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gess · 24/09/2007 09:15

Do both stareyeyed. A professional would be doing it in a session, but as a parent you may as well do it always. However you will probably have to fully prompt. So find out what it is he wants- then hold it in front of him say "is it that you want" then hold back, do the PECS exchange - probably prompted inititially (yep you need 6 hands ) then give the desired item.

Meanwhile do discrimination in sessions as well.

I'm teaching ds1 a new way of communicating wants and needs at the moment and am doing exactly that- holding the desired item slightly out of reach, prompting the way I want him to request it then giving him the item....

staryeyed · 24/09/2007 11:15

Thank you gess. I think I get it now.

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moonpig · 04/10/2007 13:16

Hi, does anyone know where I can get some free PECS

moondog · 04/10/2007 20:13

Hi Moonpig
Talk to yuor salt or your child's teacher about this.
They should be able to help you out.

TotalChaos · 04/10/2007 20:35

Moonpig - think you should be able to find some useful stuff on www.do2learn.com

moonpig · 06/10/2007 15:53

Thanks for the website. I meant to ask teacher about pecs but they're on holiday just now. It's really just to get a pec for sore can't find one anywhere. We did have pecs but R keeps eating them

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