To what extent SALT helps your child who has speech and language disorder?

[brightbelle]

Hi all I'm wondering if anyone can share their experience here. My dd has asd and presents with quite severe speech and language disorder. She has been having SALT for almost a year and has come from non verbal to short phrases and can answer some questions now - some were taught explicitly by us (she learnt by rote) but as her vocabulary continues to expand these days she can creatively combine words. Now we are at a stage that I feel SALT is no longer that useful for her and she has recently shown she has lost interests in the activities the therapist introduced to her. It was important at the beginning as they were targeted on attention and interaction but now I think it's like we can teach her a lot more at home.

I don't know if I'm right in thinking that as her SAL issue is a 'result' of her asd that her language will develop as her attention and interaction with others develop? However, as her language remains very behind I feel like I need to continue with SALT, but to what extent she can benefit from them I'm not sure now. Should I ask the therapist to focus on articulation maybe?

I would love to hear experience from parents whose children are/have been/were in a similar situation and if they discontinue with SALT at some point.

Many thanks!

[SexDrugsAndSausageRoll]

In our area the waits are so long I don't know, year wait for makaton... she'd started to use words and we'd learnt a lot ourselves, another year for parent interaction therapy... wed read it, done it and moved past the basics. Asd clinic took my email 3 months ago, guess if and when she gets in contact it'll be outdated. Dd will be officially home ed soon and we've been told they only offer school based support. So all I can say is the constant referrals were a massively pointless exercise. Think first referral was at 17 months (dd also has eating issues)

[SexDrugsAndSausageRoll]

She has though made excellent progress, her language at 3 was assessed as 12 months. You can converse with her at 4 and her speech is quirky with great vocab

[Notonthestairs]

Our SALT has a broad focus - so things like memory games and vocab building (for example showing her a picture, telling her a short story about the picture and then asking her questions about it, how is the girl feeling? Etc etc. It definitely has made a difference and I try to replicate it at home.

[MeirAya]

Could you keep the SLT slot, but use it for you asking advice?

So you'd be in the role of a trainee student speech therapist working with the child, and she'd be (like a supervisor/placement tutor) available to help with assessments, finding resources, and a sounding board for tricky bits

[MeirAya]

It might be the SLT just hadn't reslised how much she's come on lately? and is wasting time on stuff she's mastered instead of jumping on to the next bit?

[brightbelle]

Thanks all for your replies!

zzzzz I think it's because she has difficulties in connecting with her environment and is not interested in other people that she lacks the imitation, observation, and attention skills that are needed for speech development. Maybe 'result' is not the right word though I am thinking as she develops her other skills she would acquire language at the same time more naturally perhaps? It's great to hear your ds is communicating well now - did you continue SALT with him when he was younger or just taught him at home?

Meir the SALT is aware of her progress but I feel that she doesn't really see that dd has lost interests. Dd tends to leave the desk and walk around in the last few sessions and she thought it's sensory issue. While she has attentional issue I know it's more because the activities are not interesting enough and some are repeats from previous sessions. This is a private one we are going to and they were good and useful at the beginning but these days I feel we are stuck. Thanks for your advice re: making a leap and move on. I will ask the therapist next time.

Not thanks! Memory game is a good idea I will ask her to introduce that next time. For vocab games, does your therapist use books/pictures? Thanks again.

Sexdrugs yea same here, forever waiting. After a long wait we were offered a block of few sessions, each 20 minutes. So we haven't gone back ...

[brightbelle]

Ah it's interesting to hear that you think the other way too I think mainly it's because dd is the type who doesn't see the need to communicate and prefers her own little world that has made me think that way; she has always been the 'easygoing' type since a baby. And now as she grows and develops to the stage she's more interested in the environment and other people her speech has progressed more noticeably. I just talked to a mom whose ds is awaiting ASD assessment. She told me he tries to communicate but doesn't have the words and that can lead to tantrums. If my dd is like that perhaps I would have a different thought anyway these are so interconnected that it's perhaps hard to distinguish 'cause and effect'!

[youarenotkiddingme]

My ds has seen salt - he doesn't have a language disorder just some unusual speech sounds! They very much focussed on his need to for communication.

He's recently been referred to communication and language team who work with students who have good language skills but can't use them to communicate effectively.

I'd love to say it's highly beneficial but am yet to experience the service! But is there something similar in your area you can look into and see if it's useful for your DD?

[notgivingin789]

It depends on the SLT surely ? DS used to see a very clued up SLT who had a big interest in communication disorders, she was very good. The children, I see, who make progress with their language difficulties, were the ones whose parents took it upon themselves to research and use therapy techniques on their children (of course, depends on the child).

[notgivingin789]

Really zzzz ? I think SLT has helped DS tremendously and also finding tools that help DS to be even more motivated to communicate.

[notgivingin789]

ok........

[RestingFatFace]

I would say just as DC are different so are SALT.

Our first was lovely but our second was absolutely amazing. ...to the point of nearly after a year of our last visit I felt I had to thank her.

SALT can work with paediatrician s , support workers, schools and nursery tonhelp the DC in question. It's just rather they're willing to take the 'extra step'.

Also our DC with a diagnosed language disorder came onnleaps and bounds in a matter of months. DC is a completely different DC to what they were 12'months ago.

Ask for another SALT if you feel it's not working. But SALT ime is more important that first thought

[notgivingin789]

I DONT think direct therapy (i.e. An hour a day or a week of "activities")is effective at all.

Yes, I agree too. The parents who took on board the speech therapists techniques, build a communication support system at home/daily use e.g. Using Makaton/Pecs with the child daily, using visual aids, structured play...those children (some) seem to progress well with their language skills.

I wonder OP, if it's beneficial if your DD joins a social skills group ? So your DD will be with 3-4 children in a group and the therapist will practise turn taking of conversations, waiting, games ..

[youarenotkiddingme]

I actually get what your saying zzzzz and personally feel a combination is needed.

A good salt can unlock the difficulties and advise on strategies and what's needed to help a child learn skills or develop other complimentary ways of communicating.

But therapy alone isn't enough. It needs to be incorporated into everyday with a focus in where are we now and what's next step to get to rather than a 'this is what a child should be doing at x years' approach.

Ds had poor language. He could t use his language skills to answer simple questions and so we focussed on that. Roll on 2 years and ds language had soared and he was above average

But his communication hadn't moved on. So that's what we are now focussing on. Whist trying to get some people to understand just because ds has now acquired good language doesn't actually mean he can communicate effectively with it!

[brightbelle]

Thanks all again for your advice and opinions! There are a lot of ideas that I will follow up and explore.

Youare I don't think dd's language is good enough to participate in communication and language team activities yet - I don't know if there's one in my area but will keep this in mind. It's great to hear about your ds's language development: you said now you are focussing on communication, is your ds doing turn taking activities like conversations? We are trying to strengthen dd's communication/interaction skills using child-led play, not necessarily language based but more to 'inspire' her to understand it can be a positive experience communicating (in whatever form) and interacting with others.

not thanks for your tips re: social skills group. I have been struggling to find one in our local area, but I know her school has been supporting her in this area. She's still quite self-absorbed at the moment and needs 1:1 to guide her to engage in group activities and sometimes simply sit down for a longer period of time. Group therapy maybe the next step for her when she can attend for a longer period of time I think, thanks!

zzzzz yea what you said about when to stop and how useful SALT is echoed what I thought, which prompted me to start this thread. My dilemma is I want to continue because we did learn useful techniques from the sessions that we can incorporate at home. Also, dd did pick up PECS very quickly and that led to verbal communication in a short period of time. The thing is, after this, and perhaps also combining with the fact that I have read books and learnt different strategies from them that the SALT sessions are not as useful. These days because of school and different stuff we have not gone to the sessions as frequently and we simply continue to provide a language rich environment for her at home, but dd's language continues to progress and develop, even at a quicker pace I think - that made me think: as you said, could it be that she is following her own path, rather than that the therapy promotes that?

That said, I am not dismissing the usefulness of SALT, especially at the beginning stage - have to admit I was ignorant of how complex speech and language development can be. Probably I may try a new therapist, or discuss with her if she can suggest new directions/activities as at the moment I can't see much coming out of the sessions.

[notgivingin789]

Bright regarding the social skills group, DS goes to one not in his local area. So if you are interested, you may have to look out further out. Also, it doesn't matter if your DD can't attend (don't let that out you off), this is what these groups are for.
Individual speech and language sessions were effective for DS, but I felt he needed to generalise those skills within a structured social setting.

I did try the odd play dates, but this was difficult as when kids get older, play gets very complicated and involves lots of language, whereas DS play and language skills were not up to his typical a age groups level so DS found it difficult and vice versa. DS could play running around games, a water guns etc with the other children- but that's how far it went.

I've also just realised that SLT are not trained in everything. I don't know why I thought this. I recently went on a Makaton foundation course and it was 10 times as better than what I received on the parents Makatons course run by our local speech and language therapist.

Would I leave DS alone, not bother implanting speech and language techniques? Hell no !! I've seen his confidence and self esteem rise when his communication skills have improved, his frustration levels decreasing. Like all children, we need to guide them, teach them. My DS has a disability and its my job as a parent to give him the necessary tools in order for him to navigate this world.