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Echolilia

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Mykiddies20132010 Sat 05-Nov-16 13:30:45

My son is in process of autism assessment he had an obession with the fruit bowl which includes linng putting into cater fries as he calls it I V got a video of the latest thing he done but can't see how to put it up so u can see can anyone help me please. Thanks in advance X

Mykiddies20132010 Sat 05-Nov-16 13:32:43

Sorry I will explain again auto correct went mad!! Lol
I ment has an obsession with King up and putting into categories

Mykiddies20132010 Sat 05-Nov-16 13:39:27

https://youtu.be/E49LC5WWQ-A
Done it as the question above do you think this is Echolilia thank you x

PolterGoose Sat 05-Nov-16 13:41:13

The easiest way to attach a video is if you upload to YouTube and link here, but you need to think about whether you really want a video of your child out on the internet. Most people who post here don't post clips of their children, or if they do they leave it for a very short time and then remove it, or change the privacy settings, from YouTube (so the link won't work!).

Why don't you describe what you are concerned about at the moment?

From your title I'm guessing you mean 'echolalia' and have some worries about his speech?

user1477282676 Sat 05-Nov-16 13:47:11

How old is he? IIt seems to be pretend play...isn't he pretending the fruit are pillows? And he's "making a bed"?

Echolalia presents differently...I know he's repetitive in his speech but it makes sense..."Pillows Mum" and "These blankets Mum"

My friend's son was Echolalic and he would repeat phrases but in the wrong context...for eg.

My friend would say "Tom...say hello to Sharon" and Tom would say

"Say hello to Sharon"

Or he would look out of the window and say "Oh look Tom it's raining"

Instead of seeing it from his own perspective and saying "Look Mummy...it's raining"

So he knew what his MUM would say to seeing rain but not how to say it from his own point of view...he'd just repeat things vaguely in the right context.

Mykiddies20132010 Sat 05-Nov-16 13:47:13

Hi Iv only just joined the site very new, thank you for reply my son shows many traits of aspergers/high function autism routines and rituals with throughout the day of everyday life. Delayed speech some time selective mute which has improved since the spear has got better lack of socialising taking himself off for hours to be along to watch and play minecraft which he is extremely good at for 3 years old. Again it worries me though that he would much rather do that then leave the house. Extremely volatile behaviour meltdowns about what we would class as nothing but is extremely important to him. I hope this helps a little X

PolterGoose Sat 05-Nov-16 13:47:28

Oh bless him smile

That looks like wonderful imaginative play to me.

I didnt hear anything that might be echolalia and I'm wondering if you mean something else?

What I did notice was that he's sitting in a pose often called 'W sitting' and this is really common for kids who are hypermobile so you might want to raise that at your next appointment and ask for a physio assessment.

user1477282676 Sat 05-Nov-16 13:51:11

He says

This a bed Mum, these pillows...for pillows Mum...for everyone.

He then picks up pineapple

BIG pillow! This big pillow! Pineapple is big pillow...make it comfy. It's blankets...etc etc.

He's making a game of it....I would join in with comments like "Are you tucking the blankets in? Oh you're making the bed!

Lack of imaginative play is a big sign in Autism and he certainly has the ability to pretend and to imagine...that's one of the things they test on...a child's ability to pretend one object is another....like saying a shoe is a boat etc.

user1477282676 Sat 05-Nov-16 13:53:05

He could be on the spectrum from what you say OP but this doesn't seem like echolalia at all.

PolterGoose Sat 05-Nov-16 13:55:21

Lack of imaginative play as a flag for autism is a myth, it's lack of 'social imagination' that's part of the criteria. This means things like not being able to predict how another person might respond or feel, or not being able to pick up cues in the social world. Many autistic people are highly imaginative and creative smile

Mykiddies20132010 Sat 05-Nov-16 13:57:40

Yes thank u he talks in sentence and gets stuck then neurologist says he has communication difficulties he likes certain toys and plays well finds it difficult to play with his sister and other children we went to a hale web party for little children was not to noisy and people he now he just takes himself upstairs and sits on the step. Iv noticed when he has a lot going on and gets home he gets the fruit bowl lines it all up he also did it after Halloween while my daughter was worry gutting about the sweets! Lol

Mykiddies20132010 Sat 05-Nov-16 14:00:50

Yes potter goose I have heard that he has an imagine motion no doubt, but for him to talk and participate in a conversation can be difficult he's sort of just ends it a lot and daysreams he's such a lovely kid though and very clever he just sort of goes under the radar when it comes to socially

user1477282676 Sat 05-Nov-16 14:09:42

Ah thank you Polter for the information. I didn't know that.

I also didn't realise this had been posted in SN. It came up in the active threads thing...I didnt think SN posts did that?

Littlefuckers Sat 05-Nov-16 14:11:12

It's not echolilia. Is he just 3 or is he nearly 4? The age between 3-4 is an enormous explosion for language skills in children, if he is just three I'd say no probs from this video clip, is he under a speech therapist? If he's nearly four and you are not under salt, then I'd ask for a health visit referral.
He's a real cutie OP! Love his play with the fruit.

Mykiddies20132010 Sat 05-Nov-16 14:19:10

Hi yes we are he's 3 and 1/2 he's so each here is very good it's when he engages with you in conversation he gets stuck, he loves to talk about mine craft though we had ST for a while but there seems to be a big difficulty with the communication he gets very stressed
The ST will see him through the assessment process. X

PolterGoose Sat 05-Nov-16 14:22:50

I think you've done really well to get him in the assessment process and to be so observant. He's lucky to have you flowers

Mykiddies20132010 Sat 05-Nov-16 15:05:14

Thank you very much tbh it was fairly obvious from around 1/2 health visitors has been monitoring regularly since then and she has seen a dramatic change in him to the point when she walks through the door he wants to escape to another room and watch minecraft doesn't engage at all

Mykiddies20132010 Sat 05-Nov-16 15:05:40

That was ment to be 1 and 1/2

zzzzz Sat 05-Nov-16 15:18:40

I didn't see the video but it doesn't doubt from others descriptions echolalic OR language delayed. Sentences, verbs, pronouns are all present as are attention grabbing use of your name. Unless he does the same game with exactly the same sentences I doubt there is much to be concluded.

Being SM is normal in a toddler (in fact unless VERY severe up to 5/6) it's a developmental stage.

What is it that seems out of step to you?

Mykiddies20132010 Sat 05-Nov-16 15:18:51

Also ment to say I'm sure he sits in the w position most of the time thanks for pointing that out what does it mean?

zzzzz Sat 05-Nov-16 15:20:39

It can mean you are hypermobile (though many young children are significantly bendier than most people realise).

PolterGoose Sat 05-Nov-16 15:26:55

Other people might be better at explaining. Hypermobility is where the connective tissue that holds all the bits of our body together is a bit too stretchy making our joints more flexible and bendy. Because it's all a bit squiffy we can find it hard to sit in ordinary ways and just slump because we can't feel our body properly (it's hard to explain, it's like feeling floaty and not grounded), but sitting in ways where we extend our joints beyond where they should be (like W sitting) or postures like where we sit on a leg (I do this a lot, have a leg tucked under me when I sit) mean we can feel better what our body is doing and where the bits of our body are (it's called the proprioceptive sense).

Mykiddies20132010 Sat 05-Nov-16 15:27:52

Hi zzzzzz the selective mood was even with family and friends he's getting better he even avoids looking at stangers who talk to him. Tbh it's just general life everything that has been listed rituals and routine are off the scale from eating dressing getting in car bedtime. The way things are picked up. It's unbelievable really.
He refuses to get ready to go preschool after a year and 2 months takes 1/2 just to put a t shirt on lays it out straight asked me to roll it to a position he can take it by the neck it's so difficult for him to explain the exact way it NEEDS to be done we start over and over and over!!! It's quite a lot to go through every day with a 6 year old that's just done in with it all she just doesn't understand it all bless her she has to put up with a lot but he just can't help it I feel so bad for him that he HAS to do this

PolterGoose Sat 05-Nov-16 15:28:38

Do have a look at these Fact Files which have loads of advice and things to try smile

Mykiddies20132010 Sat 05-Nov-16 15:32:45

Thanks for the explanation I think my sister has hyper mobility syndrome saying that. That brill I'll take a look appreciate any help and advice smile

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