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sweetteamum Thu 19-Sep-13 21:01:25

I spoke with SENco at ds school today. I wanted to see if it wod be a good idea for LEA EP to see ds and give school some direction and advice.

Ds saw private EP last December, who did various tests etc.

Anyway, SENco told me that ds wouldn't be seen by LEA EP as she's asked in the planning meetings and been told that it's too early for him to be seen since seeing private EP. Apparently you have to wait 2 years before being seen, even though it was different people.

Must admit, this really surprised me as I've never heard this before. I'm gutted we've now got to wait till ds has been in secondary school for a few months before he's due any EP time.

claw2 Mon 23-Sep-13 09:53:30

The EP reports I have the 2 subtests are added together to give combined verbal ability centile.

For example Word definitions is verbal - 79
Verbal similarities is verbal 16

Verbal ability would be 95th centile

matrics is non verbal reasoning 42
Quantitative reasoning is non verbal reasoning 18

Non verbal reasoning would be 60th centile

Recognintion of designs is spatial - 16
Pattern construction is spatial - 58

Spatial 74th centile

The GCA is a combination of these scores to give IQ

I would have thought if word definition is 79th and similarities is 16th, although the combined score is 95th centile, an explanation would be given as to the weakness in similarities compared to word definition.

On occasion it has been recorded in ds's EP reports that a combined score could not be reached due to the amount of scatter in sub tests.

sweetteamum Mon 23-Sep-13 10:03:16

Thanks for that claw. I'm sure you'll not be surprised to hear I didn't get any of that information. Apparently ds has an even profile!?!

Just off topic a minute how is your son getting on at indi school?

claw2 Mon 23-Sep-13 10:55:19

Good days, bad days, but no where near as bad as it was, so improvement, thanks for asking.

sweetteamum Mon 23-Sep-13 16:44:32

I've followed your story but not been up to date for a little while. Fingers crossed for him

claw2 Mon 23-Sep-13 23:05:17

Thanks Sweet and good luck to you too smile

ilikemysleep Tue 24-Sep-13 19:20:33

clawsweetea hopefully he hasn't added the centiles, that is incorrect. There are tables you have to use where you add the t scores (different thing) to get an overall cluster score. With your ds's spread of scores the clusters may not be 'safe' though ( each subtest should be considered separately rather than giving a cluster if its spread, as claw describes).

A percentile compares children with others of the same age, as if they are ranked from 'least skilled' to 'most skilled' in the assessed area. So a kid with a vocabulary score at 2nd percentile has a vocab in the lowest 2% of the age group, or at 75th is better than 3/4 of the age group. (that's why 25th percentile isn't exceptional, in100 children 24 will score worse, or about 8 children in a class of 30 would be the same or worse). So you can see that a child with verbal skills at 79 th percentile and word definitions at 16th couldn't be at the 95th percentile overall verbally, but somewhere in between the higher and lower score, which would bring it around the average and miss the point if the scatter showing strengths and weaknesses.

ilikemysleep Tue 24-Sep-13 19:21:29

Sorry, miss the point of the scatter showing strengths and weaknesses.

claw2 Wed 25-Sep-13 07:24:37

Ilikemysleep gives a better explanation than I did

From ds's previous reports, he is scoring on 99th centile for one thing, and scoring 0.4 centile for something else. This is regarded as a 'scattered profile' or 'uneven'.

When scores vary from above average to below average its written as strengths and weaknesses in reports. Im not sure how high above average has to be and how low below average has to be for it to be regarded as 'uneven'.

From the centiles you have given your ds's profile seems to be 'even' (all centiles seem to be below average) if that makes sense!

sweetteamum Thu 26-Sep-13 10:07:45

I'm sorry but I'm just so confused by it all. I have put the details below. Please feel free to tell me what you see/think.

BAS3 - core scale subtest

Recognition of designs - t-score is 40 - centile rank is 16

Word definitions - t-score is 58 - centile rank is 79

Pattern construction - t-score is 52 - centile rank is 58

Matrices - t-score is 48 - centile rank is 42

Verbal similarities - t-score is 40 - centile rank is 16

Quantitive reasoning - t-score is 41 - centile rank is 18

BAS3 - cluster

Verbal ability - standard score is 98 - centile rank is 45

Non verbal reasoning - standard score is 90 - centile rank is 25

Spatial ability - standard score is 93 - centile rank is 32

General cognitive ability - standard score is 92 - centile rank is 30

claw2 Thu 26-Sep-13 19:21:21

Centile ranking just means in comparison to others of the same age, for example if your ds scores on 80 centile means that 80% of children would score lower or 1 centile, 99% of children would score higher.

Standard score would be the average range.

sweetteamum Thu 26-Sep-13 19:53:37

Thanks claw. I guess it's knowing if these scores etc are right. The EP didn't exactly inspire confidence.

claw2 Thu 26-Sep-13 20:13:40

Just work on the assumption they are right, its totally irrelevant really.

You want EP assessment, as school have said they want some advice/direction on what to do with your ds and you totally agree.

sweetteamum Thu 26-Sep-13 20:54:41

That's what it comes down to I guess. Thanks claw.

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