Going through Autism diagnosis, would you mmr?

[houmousandcarrotsandwich]

my DS is 3.5 and is due for his 2nd mmr. He is also going through the (long!) process of ASD evaluation. He had combined vac at 13 month. I know there is a lot to say there is no link, but when you're going through it, you question it don't you?

Also my 12 month old is due to have her 1st mmr. Keeping in mind her brother could well be autistic, would you go single jabs instead?

Also where can I get single jabs. I am Essex/Suffolk border.

Sorry to sound so wet blanket, ever since this Autism thing has come about I'm finding decision making very difficult!

[zumbaleena]

NO mmr's please! steer clear

[StarlightMcKenzie]

There IS a link between the MMR (and all vaccinations actually) and some neurological disabilities.

If there wasn't, there would be no need for a vaccination compensation budget/fund would there?

However, 'risk' is an extremely complicated thing, and it is an individual thing.

My ds (ASD) will have his second MMR jab when he is around 9years old. My DD will have her first probably this summer (she's 4) although we may give her the single Measles followed by Rubella at around 14. My ds will have his 6 weeks jabs shortly at a year old.

I'm broadly pro-vac, but I have also stacked up far too much experience of government lies for the supposed benefit of my children.

[EllenJanesthickerknickers]

DS3, who is NT (ish) but has a brother with ASD, is having his first MMR this week. He's nearly 11. I just couldn't do it when he was a baby. DS2 has only had his first MMR. I'm broadly pro vac as well, they've had all their other vacs. Tricky decision.

[houmousandcarrotsandwich]

He was fine after 1st vac. Symptoms (?) started becoming apparent just after he turned 2 (a lot of which I just thought was the twos)

I am pro vac myself, but logic isn't kicking in on this one! I agree knickers, it's tricky!

A lot of you have had mmr at different times to nhs schedule, why is this? Does this make a difference.

I spoke to local practice early measles vac is £180 and rubella £100 ( do boys need rubella?). Apparently mumps vac is not available (is this a problem?)

DD (1 year) has HV check tomorrow, I will mention it but I can predict their response!

Thank you for all your viewpoints, they will certainly help me make a decision (eventually!)

[EllenJanesthickerknickers]

Ooo, I've not been called knickers before!

[EllenJanesthickerknickers]

Umm, lots of us left it later to 'make sure' it wasn't the MMR that caused the ASD, I guess. I think it's a lot for a small DC who may be susceptible to have in one go. A real assault to their system which an older, more robust DC would find easier to resist.

Rubella is more important for girls, but it's herd immunity for the rest of us.

Mumps can be really nasty for pubescent boys, IMO, which is the main reason DS3 is having his MMR before secondary, that and the recent/current measles epidemic in Wales.

When I declined the MMR for my DSs the GP and HVs were pretty sympathetic. I may have been lucky, of course.

[ovenchips]

It is a tricky decision. My children are not fully vaccinated and for our particular circumstances I really wish I had looked it it all/ read up about it before any of them had anything so I was making a properly informed choice.

I think all you can do is first inform yourself as fully as you possibly can (it's pretty complex IMHO) and only then make a decision. Richard Halvorsen wrote a book The Truth About Vaccines, which would be a good one to look at. But read up about both sides of the debate, then make a decision.

I certainly wouldn't feel compelled to make a decision just to tie in with the vaccination schedule. Better to give yourself the time to make the right decision for your family.

Best of luck.

[EllenJanesthickerknickers]

[marjproops]

mine had mmr and I was told it was fine with her autism

[EllenJanesthickerknickers]

Yes, marj, that's certainly the official line.

[Schmedz]

I have two DDs. Both had the MMR. One is ASD, the other is absolutely not. Both are above average academically and physically healthy.
The 'science' behind the supposed link with autism and MMR jabs has been repeatedly discredited.
I'd far prefer protection from measles, mumps and rubella for them which have a far higher chance of negatively impacting their life!!
Good luck in your decision.

[MareeeyaDoloures]

Measles is pretty awful. And the pro-vaccination is pretty clear

Agree with star that our government's truthfulness isn't entirely to be relied upon . But personally I trust the World Health Organisation more, and their advice is pretty clear

[MareeeyaDoloures]

Subacute sclerosing pan-enecephalitis really isn't nice.

[MareeeyaDoloures]

Autism and organic food link

BTW, I'm not saying vaccines (or anything else) can be 100% safe. Nor contradicting anyone who is personally concerned something damaged their own dc. I am saying that we ought to be careful not to go beyond the evidence when looking at groups of people, and we perhaps ought to beware known, definite dangers more than possible, indefinite ones.

[StarlightMcKenzie]

My reasons for delaying ds' vaccination are not anti-vaccine ones but because I have had a bunch of diseases I was jabbed against and he is very heavily breastfed. It's likely the vacs won't take on the normal NHS schedule.

My DB developed a terminal illness which was suspected to have been caused by the DTP though it can equally have been caused by him having caught measles. So you see, it's not straightforward at all, though you are unlikely to have enough INDIVIDUAL information to make a truly informed decision so you have to do the best you can.

[MareeeyaDoloures]

"careful not to go beyond the evidence when looking at groups of people"

I'm not criticising individual hard choices. Sorry if it came across that way.

[kmummy]

All four DS have had their MMR. Three are NT and one ASD. Our little boy with ASD wa the only one who had his later than planned (20 months) and was very much showing Autistic traits prior to that

[MareeeyaDoloures]

Star, I'd forgotten about your DB . Didn't even take it in when i first saw your post. No point collecting statistics about lightning strikes being rare, when it's already hit