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LEA Funding independent mainstream school

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T3009 Sun 18-Nov-12 22:45:59

Dear all, has anyone been successfull with the LEA funding (whether partial or full) an independent mainstream school - please share your experience/best approach etc
DS will start reception in Sept 2013, and we're looking into independent maisntream school. He performs better in smaller setting.

Many thanks

I'd agree with that, def move nursery. Our nursery has been great, allowed tutor in, send their staff to all our ABA workshops, always interested to learn about ASD and ABA etc

zumbaleena Tue 11-Dec-12 10:08:45

I will speak to the nursery once more with more proof and more emphasis this week and put forth the proposal more strongly.

T3009 Tue 11-Dec-12 09:30:24

@Zumbaleena, I'd move to another nursery - not the right attitude- our nursery has been so supportive.

zumbaleena Mon 10-Dec-12 19:06:38

can anyone of you guide pls? dd's private nursery refusing to let in an ABA shadow

Sorry didn't mean to hijack and cause confusion!

PipinJo Sun 09-Dec-12 21:53:43

Think there is confusion here..I was talking to OP not Dudes re getting LEA to fund Ind MS school.

OP yes doing the nursery ind and maintained at same time would be good opp to get evidence for tribunal

Yes, I have no intention of either asking them to pay for school, or sending him to their school/s. I can afford the indep school, yes, he was always going to go to a private school. I just want something towards the 1:1 that he definitely needs.

PipinJo Sun 09-Dec-12 12:15:29

you have to play the long game to get what dc needs by proving what they offer fails.

If you go and say I want this! You will get their backs up because you have not tried Maintained MS. If you can afford Ind then pay that and fight for ABA as treble the cost.

OK well I will have to make some kind of an agreement with them I suppose. Yes I will get legal advice at that stage, I think. They won't be handing over any cash to the school, though, what I am looking for is for them to help fund my ABA tutors, so it is me they would be paying. He is not going to be going to school for nearly two years anyway, so first I just want some funding for the ABA home programme (including nursery ABA shadow, which I currently fund). I woud then be looking to just carry on getting some help with the 1:1 support, but to gradually transfer this partly to a school seting.

Oh well, I can see this is not going to be straightforward, but i am determined to get my DS what he needs! Meanwhile, the EP and SALT reports from the LEA and local NHS are very supportive of the current ABA programme and the progress he is making on it (as is our privately instricted EP, but we have not revealed that one yet!), so that is good. All agree that he needs 1:1 and will not learn in a group/school/nursery setting without it.

ilikemysleep Sat 08-Dec-12 21:16:23

Dudesmummy
The LA would argue that if you are choosing private school for a child who won't be calling on LA resources that is one thing, but if you are choosing private school with support from the local authority then it has a responsibility to ensure that the setting can meet the needs described in the statement, after all it will be handing a stack of cash over to the school. I'm not sure about the legality of not naming a school, I think they may have to, but if you have to get into that then no doubt you'lll get informed advice from a solicitor.

But why does the school have to be named on the statement? If I choose to send my child to a private school at my own expense surely that is no business of the LEA?

ilikemysleep Sat 08-Dec-12 15:52:56

Veritate, my LA will not, after they entered this arrangement with a parent who turned around a couple of months after getting the independent school named on the understand that they (parents) would pay fees, and LA would pay extras.....the parents then announced they could no longer afford fees and as LA as named school as suitable etc they then had by law to step in and pay fees.
Those parents are doubtless very satisfied at getting one over on the LA and getting a free mainstream independent school place. However they have now ensured that no other SEN child will get support in mainstream independent from our LA again....

Veritate Sat 08-Dec-12 11:06:47

ilikemysleep is correct in saying that the law requires LAs to fund independent school placements fully if they agree to the placement there. However, if they agree to fund support whilst the parents fund the fees, the reality is that no-one is going to kick up a fuss about it - the only people who would challenge it normally are the parents, and they're not going to do so if they agreed to the arrangement and know that the only result of making a fuss is that the LA would name a maintained school. So LAs do quite often agree to deals with parents and, as some people have said, it seems to work OK. The trouble is that they can't be forced to do so.

That is great T3009, that is exactly what I am looking for, just some funding for the 1:1...

PipinJo Thu 06-Dec-12 19:26:23

secondary it is easier to get placement in ind m/s, at primary level if your area has no ASD school/unit etc you might have a case...or if your dc fails at several m/s schools first to show it doesn't work over most of nursery/foundation and key stage 1 (in ds case). Getting the ABA should be first priority then ind m/s as in term of cost to LEA help to your dc!

T3009 Thu 06-Dec-12 17:17:05

Hi, yes 25 hrs 1:1 support at nursery...

T3009 is that 25 hours a week of the "1 to 1"? If I could get that I would be really happy! I don't care whether they call it ABA or a barrel of cheese, I just want the money!

thereonthestair Thu 06-Dec-12 14:39:55

the school I want to send my DS to is independent small classes etc, and I want to send him because he can't walk without a walker (CP) and he really can't cope in a big school as he would get knocked over. It also happens to be the nearest school to home by some margin and therefore the only school he would currently have a hope of being able to get to independently. The school have a few children who have 1-1 funded by our lea where parents pay the basic fees. I am therefore going to keep a watch on this as I am working out what to do next. DS gets 25 hours 1-1 in nursery so I hope it may carry over

T3009 Thu 06-Dec-12 12:31:47

theDudesmummy - hi basically they said only 25 hours of 1:1 funding which we will ue towards ABA, they do not want to put ABA on statement-advised to go for it at this stage and in the meantime, get all evidence for review in March./April. if they refuse to negotaite, we'll start appeal by Feb.
I will def go for independent school. FOund a lovely school yesterday but with witing list!

T3009 please do let us know what your statement ends up saying!

PS if they are "being reasonable in funding ABA" I would not be taking them to Tribunal! All I want is a contribution to the ABA, if I even get a portion of that I won't fight them any further! Basically: I can afford private school, or ABA, or even private school and part of ABA, but probably not both private school and full cost of ABA.

Well I very much hope I can make a deal with them as I have no intention of asking them to pay the school fees. I would not ask them to put the indep school into the statement, just the 1:1 help he will need at school (if they won't fund the full cost of an ABA tutor then just the equivalant of what a TA will cost would do, I would be happy to top it up).

ilikemysleep Wed 05-Dec-12 23:49:37

I'm sorry but it depends on your local authority.

I am certain that this info is correct as we have been briefed by barristers who specialise in SEN.

In the Code of Practice, and SEN law, there is no way that a local authority can legally name an independent mainstream school in the statement without being liable to pay the fees.

Some local authorities make arrangements eg to pay the same as the child would have had in state mainstream, but these are local arrangements.

If your LA doesn't make these local arrangements, they will be very reluctant to name a m/s independent as they will have to pay the fees as well as the additionality and this will make it an inefficient use of taxpayer's money as they can provide a mainstream education with the same additionality from within their own state schools.

With luck you'll have a LA that makes these arrangements, but if you don't they will likely fight you to tribunal, and if they are being reasonable in funding ABA etc they will have a strong case.

We have a brand new special school in our borough (non-ABA, goodness knows why they are still setting up such schools without using the evidence base to inform their teaching but anyway...) and I don't imagine we would be able to argue against it (except for the fact that we believe that only ABA is the way to go for DS, which may not be their opinion!). That is why we are planning to go for (and pay for) indep school, I don't imagine the LEA would pay the school fees as they would argue he could go to their school for free.

So I am going to focus on getting ABA funded (or at least part-funded) and resign myself to paying the school fees. We were planning to have him go to indep school anyway, before we knew he had special needs (his name has been down from birth for several of the very academic schools but they are distinctly non-interested now).

sickofincompetenceandbullshit Wed 05-Dec-12 07:22:46

In my LA, a number of children have their fees and TA paid for at selective independent mainstreams...without Tribunal in some cases. Independent m/s is cheap compared to independent special!

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