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help - mainstream school possibly refusing statemented child

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ArthurPewty Thu 06-Sep-12 18:31:23

OMFG I cannot believe this.

We've FINALLY gotten to the point where we and the LA were negotiating over the wording of the proposed for DD2, who they gave a Note in Lieu to in January and we appealed.

The LA officer just got back to me. The school (where DD1 went, and attached to D1's junior school, and our local school, with our peers) were officially consulted.

Apparently the school have concerned as to whether or not they can meet her needs at all.

SHe has already been for an open day. SHe is due to take up her nursery place on 17 Sept - the place she was offered as a sib to DD1, back in April and we accepted.


Have we just fucked up DD2's education by getting the statement sorted out??

Jesus christ i'm shaking here.

Lougle Thu 06-Sep-12 18:34:18

You haven't mucked it up. But they can refuse to take her if they can't meet the needs.

However, I would want a detailed explanation of:

a) What areas they are concerned with
b) What extra measures could be tried
c) Why they think that even with x, y, z they still couldn't meet her needs
d) What alternative the LA proposes
e) How school y (the school alternatively proposed) differs from school x (the school you asked for)

Don't forget, also, that the LA can override the school.

ArthurPewty Thu 06-Sep-12 18:37:47

This would be the child that her nursery (sh finished in July) insisted there was absolutely nothing out of the ordinary whatsoever and that if we hadnt told them she had autism, they'd never have known...

AND the LA EP who insisted the child needed nothing else whatsoever as regards support..

AND the child who the LA gave a Note in Lieu to?! Cos she didnt need a statement??

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK is going on here? Is ths more a case of The board of Governors / Head dont want us / a child with a statement, which i've heard before?


insanityscratching Thu 06-Sep-12 18:41:33

Our LA would apply pressure to the school tbh and really the only hopes of the school managing to block an admission would be because of a need for structural alterations.
Does the statement come with funding? Is it more that the school don't want to have to support a statemented child from their funds rather than any real concerns about their ability to provide the support?

Lougle Thu 06-Sep-12 18:45:07

What provisions does the statement specify?

insanityscratching Thu 06-Sep-12 18:46:31

From your second post I'd guess that it's about the funding and I'd say the school don't have a cat in hell's chance of preventing admission as I can't imagine there will be anything extraordinary in her statement tbh.

ArthurPewty Thu 06-Sep-12 18:47:19

An specialist SALT and a that she be supervised during lunchtimes/ playtimes.

It hasnt even got hours in it, fgs. She's in nursery, its impossible to specify 20 hours a week or whatever when she's only there for 15.

ArthurPewty Thu 06-Sep-12 18:48:20

Happy to email the draft to anyone who wants to see it. Its almost asgeneric as generic gets.

DD1's statement had far more in it.

This is more likely to be personal, tbh. That school dont want us back, i guess?

Can they do that?

insanityscratching Thu 06-Sep-12 18:51:19

If it's for nursery it should still specify hours, dd's nursery statement gave 12.5 hours out of fifteen and her primary one fives 20.

insanityscratching Thu 06-Sep-12 18:51:38


insanityscratching Thu 06-Sep-12 18:53:55

hmm they might not want you back but they won't be able to stop you BUT I wouldn't want my child in a school that didn't want my child or to work with me. So I'd consider it a lucky escape and look elsewhere tbh.

ArthurPewty Thu 06-Sep-12 18:59:33

DD2 has grow up going back and forth to this school, as DD1 went to the infants, and is now in the Juniors.
DD2 has spent four years of her life visiting this school every single day.
DD2 has friends in the nursery, friends she made at the last nursery.
DD2 has already been for the open day and we have already accepted the place in the nursery as a sibling, offered in April, accepted in April.

What else could any other mainsteam offer her? There's one ASD unit, and they dont have a nursery, and there's a SS, which we've been to visit and she is too high functioning to attend... There is nowhere else for her to go, how could anyone argue for her to go anywhere else?

I dont drive, in fact, i was told yesterday not to by my GP (who is also on the board of governors, fuck)... how would i take her elsewhere?

starfish71 Thu 06-Sep-12 19:01:31

Oh leonie I can't believe this! As you know I am rubbish at this statement lark but am so cross that the school are doing this. sad

If you want a rant, am here.

madwomanintheattic Thu 06-Sep-12 19:04:43

um, well, what else did the LA officer say?

they can't just call and say 'oh, not sure if they'll take her'. the LA officer should be dealing directly with the school (which presumably is the named school on the statement) and ironing out the difficulties.

the statement is fairly innocuous, and 'we don't want to' is unlikely to be accepted by the LA.

feck knows why they even bothered to call, tbh. they should have told the school to get back in their box, named it on the statement and been done with it.

what did the LA officer say they are doing to ensure dd starts next week?

whatthewhatthebleep Thu 06-Sep-12 19:07:03

yes, whatever the motivation for the school not offering the placement...I wouldn't go near them again with my certainly wouldn't feel positive to me....even if they were 'forced' to give the place...I wouldn't go near at all and would refuse.

I'm sorry you have been blown sideways by this horrible situation suddenly...days to go bad....well, they have a duty to educate so they need to get there fingers out and sort something for you pronto...

Keep strong...even if it is pure adrenaline that gets you through this x

ArthurPewty Thu 06-Sep-12 19:09:27

"With regard to * Infant School they have now formally responded following the formal consultation process with them. Unfortunately, they do have some concerns on the content of the Draft Statement and whether they would in actual fact be able to meet DD2's needs. I will therefore need to go through the points of concern and discuss with them and come back to you.

It may be the case that we will need to have a meeting to discuss these issues.

I will obviously get back to you as soon as possible. "

And when i asked what on earth they could be objecting to, she replied:

"I will need to read through the response before I can respond to you, but please be assured that I will get back to you once I have had time to digest the contents of their response.

I am off home now."

ArthurPewty Thu 06-Sep-12 19:11:17

school's not named yet. Part 4 is empty.

starfish71 Thu 06-Sep-12 19:12:14

Oh that's just brilliant isn't it?! Just land that on you and then - 'I am off home now.' hmm

That is just crap.

ArthurPewty Thu 06-Sep-12 19:13:56

yea, starfish. here, have a SHIT SANDWICH, i'm going home, bubye

shock shock

madwomanintheattic Thu 06-Sep-12 19:14:01

soooooooooooooooooo, she didn't even read it properly, but thought it was appropriate to send you a halk baked alarming email with no actual information, just to put the wind up you, before she went home for a glass of wine and put her feet up.

i despair, i really do.

there's nothing you can do tonight, obv, but get a grip of her tomorrow. try and stay calm - there's really nowt that the school can realsitically object to. my guess would be that they are just after more money tp provide the support, so it's not personal, just business.

but the LA officer should have read their response carefully enough to know that, or should have held off emailing you before she understood wtaf was going on.

ArthurPewty Thu 06-Sep-12 19:14:31

email from LA officer sent at 18.23 and 18.40 tonight.

ArthurPewty Thu 06-Sep-12 19:15:19

"soooooooooooooooooo, she didn't even read it properly, but thought it was appropriate to send you a halk baked alarming email with no actual information, just to put the wind up you, before she went home for a glass of wine and put her feet up."

This, with bells on.

madwomanintheattic Thu 06-Sep-12 19:16:13

clearly she felt it was essential that you had a sleepless night before she bothered to read it dealt with appropriately tomorrow.

silly cow.

Ineedaflippinmedal Thu 06-Sep-12 19:16:14

Oh no leonie, I have just come on and read your post, what a nightmare.

I have no advice for you sorrysad

ArthurPewty Thu 06-Sep-12 19:17:55

Well, i had emailed her earlier in the week and asked or an update cos i hadnt heard from her since the 20something of August.

Guess i deserve it for having the cheek to ask. hmm

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