Does any one have a dc with high IQ but very low achievement?

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Dd was tested and has an IQ of 130 but is three years behind in maths and literacy.

Just wondered if anyone had any experience.

noisytoys Thu 11-Oct-12 18:40:49

DD has IQ of 140. I don't think she has low achievement AFAIK but she is lazy sometimes and doesn't reach her potential

ScreamingManAndGoryOn Thu 11-Oct-12 18:43:49

Yes - Didn't have an IQ test, but did the BASII (british ability scales) tests that gave him an overall score of being on the 96th centile with scores in the 99th for a couple of things.

His achievement is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay below that. He has ASD and school seem incapable of getting him to do any work in class.

madwomanintheattic Thu 11-Oct-12 18:52:48

Does he have a specific dx, whistling?

There is lots of info on tinternet, mostly out of the US of you google 'twice exceptional'. Nagc also have some interesting stuff on dual or multiple exceptionalities.

There are all sorts of reasons why children might not be meeting their apparent potential. What did the psych say? Usually they come up with some suggestions? Is her profile spiky? (I have two with dual dx - ds's iq, although in the gifted range, masks a huge trough in his processing and working memory. Without those specific deficits he would have reached the ceiling of useful output from the test.)

These kids are fascinating.

Thanks that's really helpful. Asd diagnoses. Prosessing disorder, probably dyspraxic too.

Niceweather Thu 11-Oct-12 21:38:38

Sounds like my son too - he has dyslexia. I was going to suggest googling twice exceptional but Madwoman got there first. A 10 year old child with an IQ of 130 should be maybe 3 years ahead, rather than 3 years behind so that gives you an underachievement of 6 years rather than 3. Schools are not good at recognizing this as they take achievements from chronological age rather than intellectual age.

Meglet Thu 11-Oct-12 21:49:14

FWIW, me. I never achieved a thing at school, school reluctantly let me leave at 14 when I was bullied as they said I was bright and at least I wouldn't turn to crime hmm. A couple of years later I got into Mensa.

Now I'm older and wiser it seems I have ASD (self diagnosed but tick all the boxes) and a psychologist said I almost certainly have ADHD.

Never heard of twice exceptional. Off to google. Thanks so much.

incywincyspideragain Mon 15-Oct-12 22:40:54

I have similar in my son although he is 6yrs, not keeping up with peers but no idea if he is 'behind'
We have no dx, we've looked at dual/twice exceptional - NAGC has some good advice, also some experience on G&T board if you post there (although most from madwoman so here is also good smile)

Yes, my DS has an IQ of 137 and a dx of Aspergers.

His academic achievement in school does not, in any way, reflect his IQ.

A few years ago he scored very low on the school 'levels', but the school and I have done a lot of work to bring im up. He still doesn't try or see the point though, with his school work. Minimal effort to do what is being asked is all he ever does.

I don't worry too much about it because I know he can do it. He takes great enjoyment in reading, the one area where his choice in books reflects his higher ability. He enjoys maths and gets numbers, even if he can't be bothered to write any of his workings down or complete all the questions on the formal assesments at school.

He'll be alright. He's happy, secure, confident, and good with people despite his aspergers.

crookedcrock Mon 22-Oct-12 13:10:31

I have one, found out about dual exceptionality, it describes my child exactly. Had him assessed for dyslexia, discovered exceptionally high iq then. Now attending programme in local uni for gifted children every weekend..........still can't spell! It is fascinating. I have told him he is "wired up" differently!

Betelguese Mon 22-Oct-12 17:46:13

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eatyourveg Mon 22-Oct-12 21:25:13

I know a girl who is in mensa but has a statement for her severe dyslexia.

MiniTheMinx Mon 22-Oct-12 21:52:38

Another one here DS 11 yrs, 144, lazy, dyspraxic and can't spell! Head full of ideas, great at science and maths, weird weird sense of humour.

DS 7 years has very asynchronous development but very different ,talented in reading, English and art but can't add 2 and 2.

Just checking in to see how others cope and manage to support their children. The child I worry about most is the eldest because he is at times very serious and I think he fears failure, which I don't really know how to manage. his answer to this seems to be to only put in the minimum effort required.

Betelguese Tue 23-Oct-12 15:39:42

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Betelguese Wed 24-Oct-12 20:38:31

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mathsconundrum Thu 06-Dec-12 09:44:40

DD's reading comprehension is way way above her reading accuracy and spelling which are both in line (slightly below expectations). Anything I should do?

MariscallRoad Fri 04-Jan-13 17:36:11

crookedcrock, my son is in similar positions as yours and is in the top 1% of ability; he is electrical eng student in top collegei, and dyslexic with additionally 4 more SLDs . He is doing very well. The SLDs do not stop anyone thinking faster than the others in the classroom.

Maths, I noticed your post just now. How old is your DD? There is a lot you can do. I understand DD is fast thinker which is the v good think. Our GP would not do a referral to Ed Ps. If your DD can see a specialist which could be a www.patoss-dyslexia.org/SupportAdvice/TutorAssessorIndex/ or Ed Ps they would give suitable advice. The cost might be worthwhile.

MisForMumNotMaid Fri 04-Jan-13 17:49:26

DS1 has ASD he's been on school action plus for three years but his academic achievement is below average, with a 143 IQ. He can't see the point in school and popped into the head teachers office to inform her he's not returning in the New Year as really he's learnt all they can teach him. He's yr4. She thought it was very charming. He has a business plan sketched out that he discussed with her and apparently he's going to help out with his little sister at home!

Fortunately the school and I have both submitted statement requests and county are finally doing an assessment. Apparently they will only statement children here who need specialist out of county support so i'll be googling twice exceptional as well.

MariscallRoad Fri 04-Jan-13 19:45:06

MisForMumNotMaid,your DS1 reminds me my DS at 5. Your DS seems independent learner and can make his own plans which is marvelous. For this reason I believe he will do great! Trust him.

MisForMumNotMaid Fri 04-Jan-13 21:03:00

MariscallRoad. Thank you. As any parent i have high hopes for DS. It would just be lovely if he could also learn some basic life skills like not stepping out in front of cars, chewing his food when he's put it in his mouth.

MariscallRoad Fri 04-Jan-13 23:55:53

MisForMum my son had a look at food and if he did not like the appearance he would leave it. When I cooked pizza he would eat for four people, but he remained always slim. May be your DS likes your food too much and he cant wait. Do have great hopes for your DS. Discuss with him your support for all he wants to do so he develops his plans.

crookedcrock Mon 07-Jan-13 22:34:21

Thank you Mariscall, it has not been an easy road for him thus far, I worry about him. He is happy and sociable but struggles at school and is a highly sensitive and empathetic soul. I have concerns that one of his siblings might be heading the same direction but he is terribly shy (selectively mute perhaps) and is only at Reception stage-I find it v. interesting-these children are really outside the box. My old dad said of school "It's only what harm it's doing him" about my son#1, sometimes I think he was right!

MariscallRoad Tue 08-Jan-13 00:21:23

crookedcrock, we home educated DS because the school was inadequeate .He too attended university run programmes for gifted. The gifted children need demanding levels of education. He was too a 2e child ot twice exceptional - now an adult. I have here some sites with articles on 2e gifted children for you to look at. www.2enewsletter.com/ www.ldonline.org/indepth/ and www.uniquelygifted.org/intro.htm Carry on with work and support for your DS.

The asssessment of gifted with learning difficulties needs a level of expertise smile

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