Sleep issues in 7 month old

(46 Posts)
roundtable Thu 15-Aug-13 08:49:40

I've ended up cosleeping with my now 7 month old. I'm really not happy with it to be honest. I can't sleep properly and I like some space. Problem is, he really hates sleeping in his own space. He cries immediately on waking which is something ds1 never did. He's a really loud crier, so if you leave it too long he wakes ds1 up which means carnage!

He also wants to feed constantly during the night, it's driving me crazy!! Any suggestions?

He always starts off in his cot but by 2 am I'm usually done in and need sleep for my children's safety the next day. Otherwise I'm a zombie.

Dh has tried being the one to settle him but he screams and wakes up ds1. I've tried cot in the room, he doesn't settle. He stayed one night at granny's recently and slept from 7-2 had a bottle and then slept until 7. So he can do it. I'm considering just offering bottles at night. Has anyone had any success doing this and still bf during the day?

Sometimes he'll go through until 4. There is no rhyme or reason to it! He suffered a lot with being sick and I'd imagine stomach ache from the acidity of the sick. It's better now he's more active but he still gets a lot of wind. Perhaps this is a contributing factor?

Ds1 was basically sleeping through by 6 months so this is a shock!

Tia

roundtable Fri 16-Aug-13 07:26:26

Very sleepy bump. Ds1 was awake and crying too and dh is away with work at the moment so I was putting one baby down to deal with the other. I think because of that he then cried whenever I put him down and insisted on sleeping on me.

I need a night nanny!

roundtable Fri 16-Aug-13 12:08:23

Oh dear, are we unhelpable?!

I guess he'll grow out of it one day dear god let it be before school age.

AlwaysWashing Fri 16-Aug-13 12:14:29

I didn't get much help with this when I posted either roundtable, my boy us 9 months nearly and we're not much further along.
He's not had night feeds for ages but his sleeping is so erratic, self soothing is different one night to the next, sometimes he'll co sleep and sleep like the dead or sonetines just fidget all night. CC is not for any of us. We're desperate to get him in with his brother but absolutely refuse to disturb ds1 as he sleeps so well.
I have no ideas to help you but just know that I feel your pain. If I try anything that works I'll let you know!

roundtable Fri 16-Aug-13 13:46:05

Perhaps we should start up a two person support group Always?! grin

Amyksays Fri 16-Aug-13 14:42:19

Hi - I read your post as have 7 month too, not sure i can be much help personally, but have found this website v good http://www.troublesometots.com/

- for understanding sleep and what's going on. I know not all methods suit all babies, but it might be worth a go and has a light and funny style.

I'm just switching from bf to bottle, partly in effort to control and wind down the night feeds, every 3 hours like clockwork at the mo, although I knw can do 5!

As a good friend once said 'head down and power through' x

PicnicPie Fri 16-Aug-13 14:55:14

I have a 7 month old who sleeps well in her cot, except when she is suffering terribly with wind and indigestion. In which case the only place she is happy to sleep is vertically on my shoulder. I think it helps with the acidity and wind. She is a very windy baby and it can take from 9pm until midnight with constant waking, holding, patting, rubbing etc to get all her burps and bottom burps out. So maybe it is the excess wind??

AlwaysWashing Fri 16-Aug-13 19:37:51

roundtable this evening is one of those which is NOT going to plan. FFS just go to sleeeeeeeep child!

AidanTheRevengeNinja Fri 16-Aug-13 21:04:51

Just my two pence worth. I've just got my almost 6 month old out of my bed - yippee! - from a situation just like yours (co-sleeping was doing my back in, I had safety worries, and was just generally fed up). I read the Andrea Grace website - there is a case study of a baby just like yours and mine here . It dawned on me that he was waking up in anticipation of being brought into our bed and it gave me hope that he would adjust quickly if I was consistent in stopping this. I went cold turkey and decided he would stay in the cot right by our bed come hell or high water. Two nights of misery, but then on the third night he appeared to have forgotten that he was due to come into our bed, and ever since he has been fine in his cot all night.

You do have to prepare for the first couple of nights being miserable as you are trying to break a very comfortable habit. He will protest, and loudly, but I'm not sure there is an easy way to do it other than continue to co-sleep. (We didn't leave him to cry, we were there and soothed and patted him but he was not coming into our bed and that was that). Maybe pick a weekend or a time when you have extra support, don't need to drive the next day, etc.

Can't help with the rest of it though as he still wakes every couple of hours for a quick snack - tackling that is next on my agenda...

roundtable Sat 17-Aug-13 07:57:52

Thanks Amy and Picnic, I'll have a look at that info.

Any luck Always?

Yes it's definitely because he wants to be in bed with us. I've done the putting back, one night it was every 10 mins. I did that for a few days and then I said no more. He cries so loudly he kept waking his brother up so then we're dealing with both. I also wasn't functioning with 2 under two's during the day because of the lack of sleep. I will try that again at somepoint though.

When ds2 wakes, he cries immediately until he is held and can't be soothed by patting, rubbing head etc. He just gets more and more worked up. Anyone else.have this?

Excuse the crap typing, I'm on my phone and expressing.

jimijack Sun 18-Aug-13 10:03:31

Oh ladies it's so good to have found you as I am in a similar boat with my 7.5 month old.

I've put him in his own room in a big cot, we are a week in. That's been fine, but he still wakes to feed every 2-3 hours.

Refuses a bottle so I bf him. Also bf"s to sleep. I think he uses me as a dummy. Refuses one of them too.
I'm shattered.

Hv suggested a high carbohydrate meal prior to bed. Need doing this & he still wakes at 11ish for a bf.

I need help.

jimijack Sun 18-Aug-13 10:04:38

Sorry, I have been doing this

monstergoose Sun 18-Aug-13 16:53:25

Hey jimjack I was pretty much where you were with my dd up to a week ago, just started in own room as was feeding every 90 mins when cosleeping, feeding to sleep, won't take dummy/bottle etc and after a few rough nights on her own cot i spoke to my HV who suggested making sure she has a really big feed last thing, so feeding in an upright position, keeping awake (tickling under her chin works for us) burping then offering both sides until she is absolutely full. Previously she'd just take one side, fall asleep on me and I'd put her down but now she takes 2 massive feeds from both sides.

Since I've been doing that shes had 1 night where she's slept 7 til 7 and the rest of the time she only wakes once for a feed, which is amazing considering where we started!

jimijack Sun 18-Aug-13 19:35:58

That sounds doable monster. I will give that a go.
Willing to try anything tbh.

A meal at bedtime is making no difference at all currently.

roundtable Mon 19-Aug-13 09:15:27

Ds2 spent a night at my mum's and since he's come back, he's ben better again. Fingers crossed it continues. He cried about 10 last night but by the time I got up to him he rolled on his side and self settle. Woke properly in the night for a feed. That feed seems to take over an hour though, then sleep until about 5.30. It was daylight so I brought him in to see me for a feed then he sat up and played on the bed/smacked me on the head.

This worked for me before, getting someone to break the cycle but growth spurts meant I got tired and back into bad habits.

I wonder if it'll last...not holding my breath!!

mya22 Mon 19-Aug-13 09:52:18

roundtable I could have written this...hello everyone...I'm also loosing my mind at the moment. my 7 month old is an awful sleeper waking erratically and on and off through the night. I'm co-sleeping but trying a bit to put him in cot. I'm now giving bottles in the day but still breast feeding at night. My problem is this i'm so utterly shattered I just can't even make any decisions about what / how to resolve this..my hubby sleeps in the spare room and we are not getting on so I feel quite unsupported - though I do give baby to him at 6am often out of desperation. I really don't know what to do!! I get really bad migraine's with lack of sleep and am considering giving up the breast feeding now out of desperation and to help with the sleep. I have a daughter - 4 and so just don't get any rest in the day..also i'm now back at work as of tomorrow (oh help!) and just don't know how i'm going to cope...Well just to say FEELING your pain if not offering any helpful tips here ): x

roundtable Mon 19-Aug-13 11:18:04

Mya welcome, I think this may become a little support group. If you're back at work, you shouldn't be taking all the responsibility of night feeds.

A friend of mine got her husband to go in for a few nights and offer water but her baby was 11 months and eating fairly well so she felt she could. I'm trying to let have free access during the day so I know he's had plenty of milk, do one night feed of bm and the rest offer water.

I do cave though if it turns into screaming as otherwise he wakes ds2 up.

I feel for you going back to work.

How are the rest of you getting on? Any decent blocks of sleep to be had?

roundtable Mon 19-Aug-13 11:20:46

Sorry I haven't addressed everyone personally, I'm on my phone and can't see everyone's names.

Aiden, is your baby still sleeping well?

AidanTheRevengeNinja Mon 19-Aug-13 12:18:05

No I bloody jinxed it <grinds teeth> grin I posted on another thread about his antics motoring around his cot all night, flipping over, getting stuck, and generally being an all-night pita. However, he has accepted his cot as his permanent sleeping place and no longer joneses to get in our bed, so at least that bit worked...

roundtable Mon 19-Aug-13 12:49:24

Every cloud I suppose Aiden! grin

I keep muttering to myself that he will grow out of it if I keep persevering!

AidanTheRevengeNinja Mon 19-Aug-13 13:44:01

grin I have also given up on my plan to cut down night feeds. Mostly because I can't be arsed. <wildly hopes he will just grow out of this too>

It is nice to not be pushed off my own pillow any more though!

jimijack Mon 19-Aug-13 17:09:45

Every fecking hour last night. He was doing a strange thing. He would feed to sleep, seem out for the count then began cying as if in pain. I'm thinking teething possibly.

SO tired..

glorious Mon 19-Aug-13 17:28:45

Can I join you? DD is 6.5 months and slept well until 3.5 months but now... dreadful. She starts off in her cot which is now in her room. She wakes at least hourly all evening and night until I bring her into bed and then not sure how often she wakes but not much better. I've only recently started cosleeping with her so I don't think that caused the wakings. I just can't function otherwise.

I also have no idea what to do next. She fights naps like crazy but I know they're important so do I carry on getting her to nap at all costs (I.e. in sling / feed to sleep and hold or put down if feeling brave) or do I try to improve nap habits first?

I take my hat off to those of you with more than one.

brew all round. It's horrible. And why does everyone else's baby seem to sleep.

mya22 Mon 19-Aug-13 18:54:11

Yes a lovely little support group..just reading makes me feel a bit saner! Last night ds went to sleep well initially at 6.30, then woke at 9 and then 10, then 1 and then 3, 3.30, then 4 ten awake and smiling at 5.30!!! All good intentions went out window as had Migraine all night so just feeding/semi sleeping...at 6am in tears gave bubba to hubby!! Every night is like the time I took the overnight sleepertrain to Arles....nod/wake/nod/wake...wake feeling like have been beaten up having slept on edge of bed in contorted position!! ....well after that...tonight DS in cot asleep after bottle/breastfeed...hoping for better night as big day at work tomorrow...hubby probably would help at night but works with power tools and I'm scared he will loose a hand!! Good luck tonight all of you (again sorry not listing all names) x

roundtable Mon 19-Aug-13 19:35:11

Jim - calpol needed in your house up think!

Glorious - welcome. I bought a swing to rock the baby in otherwise I'd have lost my mind. I got in from ebay second hand. Otherwise the battle I have to get him to sleep as he doesn't often feed to sleep, is epic.. Ds2 also fights naps, I think he's had about half an hour spread out during the day. I put him down, he wakes up screaming a minute later. Today he woke ds1 so I was rather frustrated.

Mya could your dc sleep in with your dh? Maybe try at the weekend? He may not wake as much as he doesn't smell your milk? It seems to work for me when dh is here.

I'm currently grappling with ds2 who's rubbing his eyes but shouting and flinging himself about on me. This is where the swing comes in handy, in he goes... Good luck tonight everyone!

Amyksays Mon 19-Aug-13 21:15:56

I've had 20 min naps yesterday and today, plus 1 hr 30 screaming before sleep last night and 1 hour tonight... Feel there is change again in the air!

Seems like she changes her routine every 6 weeks or so, just I keep on toes..! Is still waking every 3 hours for feeds, but doesn't seem that interested for some of them, so will start trying to cut out the first one (soon - shattered at the moment, plus have house guest).

Is taking some formula from sippy cup, but not bottle - perhaps that is option for you? Hoping to build up and cut down the bf.

Well off to bed for a couple of hours.. X good luck everyone

roundtable Tue 20-Aug-13 04:53:42

Hope your night went alright amy.

We're currently on feed 2. Fed at 12.30am and 4.30 but these feeds go on for so long. Tonights was quite quick at midnight, and went on for an hour and a bit. Still currently feeding from the 4 one.

I feed from both sides before bed, that takes over an hour too. Is it normal to take, so long? However, ds1 ended up bottle eed and he would take an hour to drink that. I must just have slow eaters.

Gosh I hope he finishes soon!!

How are we all getting on?

AidanTheRevengeNinja Tue 20-Aug-13 07:58:58

ooh much better night last night - went from 11pm to 4.40am straight! (This is unheard of in the RevengeNinja household). The only thing I did differently was dress him more warmly (sleepsuit plus 1.0 Grobag - was following their guidelines and using just a vest before, I think he was too cold) and also let him sleep on his tummy when he turned that way, rather that flipping him back compulsively (he can turn front to back, I've just been terrified of SIDS). He just seemed more comfortable. Hmm...

<has clearly jinxed self again>

AidanTheRevengeNinja Tue 20-Aug-13 08:01:41

PS roundtable does he doze off at the breast or is he actively drinking the whole time? I have to prod mine a bit sometimes and he seems to wake up and start sucking again.

roundtable Tue 20-Aug-13 08:11:27

Just realised ds2 is 8 months today!

Well done Aiden! Today you'll probably feel really tired as the amount of sleep will send your body into shock. ds2 is in a vest, sleepsuit, sleeping bag and blanket. He gets so cold. Ds1 is the total opposite though.

I think he's feeding. If I try to take him off and slip the dummy in he becomes frantic and shouts. He took an hour when my mum bottle fed him too.

Ds1 is still asleep. They really are chalk and cheese!

roundtable Tue 20-Aug-13 08:19:32

I think Aiden, the guidelines are only until they can sort themselves out, which it sounds like he can.

Leave him, this might be the start of something wonderful. grin

glorious Tue 20-Aug-13 15:33:09

Ooh glad there's potential progress ninja.

DD feeds for 1.5 hours before bed round but is quicker at night. I do prod and swap sides or it's even longer.

We had teething screaming last night for an hour and so far no naps despite a total of 4 hours trying. She's also come out in hives after her lunch. Not doing well.

roundtable Tue 20-Aug-13 19:24:09

Ds2 isn't 8 months today, he's still 7! Ds1 is 23 months. Gah, I can't believe he's going to be 2 soon! Sleep deprived brain.

,Glorious, that's not good, hopefully she's getting it out of her system now.

Good luck tonight everyone.

glorious Tue 20-Aug-13 19:47:52

Well happy 23 months to DS1 instead smile

The hives have mostly gone thankfully. DH is away tonight so fingers crossed it's not too bad. She's feeding calmly at the moment.

AidanTheRevengeNinja Tue 20-Aug-13 20:16:33

Well despite the unprecedented length of night sleep, DS was in a foul grouchy grizzly whiny baby mood all day. I suppose it was too much to hope for a good 24 consecutive hours hmm

<salutes roundtable for being able to manage two under 2>

On the upside, bedtime routine continues to work a treat, so I am now cosying up to a nice bar of Aldi almond chocolate to soothe away my crap day.

ButteryJam Tue 20-Aug-13 20:24:50

Can I join in please too? my DD is only 3 months, but I'm sure you folks will be able to share your wisdom.

It takes me 30 min of rocking or walking around to get her to sleep. She will only nap on my chest, and mainly less than 30 min. After an hour of awake time or earlier I settle her down for a nap. It is just so draining as its constant putting to sleep etc. Any advice?

roundtable Tue 20-Aug-13 22:50:03

Buttery, I wouldn't worry too much at the mo, she's still very little although if you're finding it too much, see about getting a swing, it's been a godsend for me. Hopefully it'd work for you.

I've stayed up way too late and I'll regret it but good luck everyone!

glorious Wed 21-Aug-13 07:46:38

Yes buttery she is still tiny and that's very normal. How about getting a sling and seeing if she'll sleep in that so at least your hands will be free? Keep trying the cot too, I think I left it too long when she would've gone in it sometimes.

On the other hand perhaps you shouldn't take advice from me as I can't get my baby to sleep!

Not a bad night last night and we're only just up. Perhaps she doesn't need naps hmm .

glorious Wed 21-Aug-13 07:47:28

Sorry I also meant to say it is draining and you have my sympathy thanks

roundtable Wed 21-Aug-13 09:23:11

Not too bad here either. Went in and did a quick feed after a posted on here. Fed next and 2.30am and then he woke ready for the day at 6am.

Yes to using a sling although I found that for ds2 I had to keep moving for him to stay asleep, so better than buggy where he will roar until he is picked up but no good for home as I didn't want to pace the house! I sound evangelical about the swing but it really helps me.

ButteryJam Wed 21-Aug-13 18:06:06

roundtable and glorious, thank you! smile

Roundtable, which swing did you use? I need to buy one ASAP

Glorious, you are right, I need to keep trying the cot. I get so put off to put her down as I think if she stirs its going to result in another 30 min of stress hmm

roundtable Wed 21-Aug-13 19:15:35

m.fisher-price.com/en_US/m/brands/babygear/products/51911

I bought mine from ebay for about £ 30 though. My dh travels a lot with work so it has paid for itself big time. I'm now putting him in it less and less, especially now he sits confidently by himself but for the moments he can't switch off and is definitely tired it seems to do the trick.

He had a great nap in it today, just over an hour and I turned the swing motion off.

glorious Wed 21-Aug-13 19:39:55

Tempting, I'll keep an eye on eBay. And yes, the sling has its downsides too though it's been good for losing the weight and I find I can sit down on the bus... grin

buttery don't worry about the cot too often imo, just don't leave it for months like me blush So maybe try once a week or something just to see?

jimijack Thu 22-Aug-13 20:57:49

I'm getting nowhere here.
High carb supper, big bf, bedtime routine all make no difference. He still wakes every hour some nights.

Last night I let him cry, did the pick up put down but he just screamed & screamed. Screamed 7-9pm, woke then at 11.30, 1am,2am, 3'30, screamed then til 5am, slept til 6ish, then up for the day.

Only settles with the breast.
Only good thing is that the screaming didn't stress or agitate me because I am teaching him a new way of falling asleep that's all.

Why though do they wake so frequently? I don't understand why they wake so often. Ds 1 did this until he was 5 and at school.

glorious Fri 23-Aug-13 06:30:39

sad jimjack I wish I knew. I'm sorry. I've also come to the conclusion that nothing I do makes much difference which has meant less stressful days at least as I'm not obsessing over naps. That was making me miserable in the day as well as at night so I'm glad it's not worth it.

Is there any way you could get some extra sleep to catch up a bit? e.g. sometimes I go to bed at 8 with DD and DH deals with wakings until midnight by rocking her. She takes that from him much better than from me. Though if your DS demands booob I guess it might still be a rest if he was brought to you for feeding only and you didn't need to resettle him?

roundtable Fri 23-Aug-13 09:42:01

I'm sure you've probably tried it, but have you tried swaddling?

Ds2 always used to sleep better swaddled, when it came loose, he'd wake and scream. Then at the beginning if 7 months he decided he didn't want it, anymore but does need a blanket. I'd stopped swaddling and my mum convinced me to have another go and the difference was immediate.

Ds2 went to bed late last night as inlaws were round and he was over excited and overtired, but he slept until 1.30, had an hours feed then until 5, 10 min feed then slept in my bed until 7. Much better. Going away for a few days though so probably back to square one when we get back.

I couldn't get back to sleep though after the 1.30 feed, so spent the night reading. So infuriating as I feel shattered now but I can't switch my brain off.

Hope others had better nights.

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