almost 9 month early waking

(55 Posts)
brightonbythesea Tue 30-Jul-13 07:34:32

i realise this is a small problem compared to many other sleep issues but my dd has started waking no later than 5.30. she will not go back to sleep and as a result is still tires amd grouchy all morning until a morning nap. she goes to bed between 6.30-7 as she cant stay up any later. on a typical day she takes two 1.5 hr naps a day 9-10.30 and 1.30-3. I have tried:

shorter naps
longer naps
earlier bedtime
later bedtime
leaving her in her cot whining until 6.20 whih I think is acceptable and her old wake up time.

i wouldnt mind but she is very grouchy in the morning and too tired for breakfast. it is an effort to keep her up until 9. Thoughts gratefully received

minipie Tue 30-Jul-13 10:04:49

watching with interest! same problem here

I occasionally get dd to go back to sleep using loud white noise and stroking her tummy, doesn't always work though.

brightonbythesea Tue 30-Jul-13 10:08:46

minipie how long does that take you? I find by the time I've spent loads of time and energy trying to get her to go back to sleep it's about 6.30 and might as well have just got up! This is quite a new thing, I think she's just excited about her newfound cruising ability and wants to get up and get going, but she's a right misery with the tiredness!
I had her weighed today, and saw the HV, who said just keep leaving her until the time you are prepared to get up. (6.15ish). Eventually she'll get the idea. It seems a bit cruel to let her cry for a long time,
(although I'm not opposed to letting her cry a little) but I might try it for a couple more days and see if it makes any difference.

AnythingNotEverything Tue 30-Jul-13 10:21:30

I have little practical help to offer, but plenty of kids wake up and are happy to chatter away to themselves. If she's not distressed I'd leave her.

Nancy54 Tue 30-Jul-13 10:57:53

I also have the same problem with one of my twins. He wakes every morning at 5 at the mo. This week I have been rocking him back off to sleep but if I try to transfer he wakes up so I have him sleeping on e and he wakes about 615 ish. Prob is that it's not v easy for me to sleep then!

I think probably there are two solutions: get up and accept the early waking (if unable to rock back to sleep etc). Or leave to cry. I think it also depends on how they wake up, if they're just babbling etc you can just leave them. Unfortunately, mine do full on cry as soon as they wake up! I can't leave mine to cry as he would wake his sister who sleeps til 630 if I'm lucky. I don't think I would anyway but I think it may have the desired effect of sleeping longer.

brightonbythesea Tue 30-Jul-13 11:41:35

I would rock her back to sleep, but she hasn't let me do this since she was tiny (only if she's poorly now). She's a very independent sleeper, so going into her room at all, patting, shushing, rocking whatever will be game over!

Does anybody who parents an early riser leave toys in the cot for them to play with when they wake> I'm happy to do this but I live in fear of her spying them at some silly time in the morning (like 2am!) and playing then!

Nancy54 Tue 30-Jul-13 12:03:00

Yes we have some toys in bed and dtg used to play with them on a morning and after naps. She never played with them during the night. Now she never plays with them at all, just screams when she wakes up!

She is like your dd actually, impossible to rock, pat etc! Always goes to sleep on her own. It's funny how different they are! What works for one baby doesn't necessarily work for another!

minipie Tue 30-Jul-13 14:04:59

sometimes it's quite quick... sometimes takes ages... sometimes doesn't work at all! if she is crying when she wakes, it works better (i think that means she is still tired) whereas if she's happy and chatty nothing will induce her to go back to sleep.

dd has been doing it for quite a while, I have tried leaving her to cry and it doesn't seem to work, at least not for me. occasionally she will put herself back to sleep but only after 40min+ of whining/crying and it doesn't seem like she 'gets the idea' after a few days of that, so not sure the HV is right at least not for us!x

brightonbythesea Tue 30-Jul-13 14:19:10

:-( I expect it's just a case of suck it up and get up when they do, and hope that perhaps when they need less day time sleep the nights will be slightly longer.

minipie Tue 30-Jul-13 18:11:55

I hope so - but the MN sleep board strikes terror into me with its tales of early waking 2 and 3 year olds...

Nancy54 Tue 30-Jul-13 20:51:37

Ha I know! Before I had the twins, I just assumed they would sleep through by around 6 months. How utterly deluded I was!

brightonbythesea Wed 31-Jul-13 07:19:35

rocking another 5.30am this morning. happy days.
interested in this theory of waking a baby after 45 min morning nap, then allowing the longer after lunch. does anyone have experience of thia working? my DD tends to do1.5 hrs each time

minipie Wed 31-Jul-13 08:09:19

5.30 here too brighton. DD usually has 30-45 mins in the morning and 1.5-2 hrs after lunch, she still wakes early.

brightonbythesea Wed 31-Jul-13 08:45:02

what time do you have her morning nap minipie?

brightonbythesea Wed 31-Jul-13 09:32:20

Also I have read a few threads where people have managed to get the morning nap to 9.30. How??? When she is up at 5.30 it is all I can do to keep her going until 9. How do people to this?

Nancy54 Wed 31-Jul-13 10:37:03

We were up at 545, lie in! But dtb also woke twice in the night.....

Mine tend to go down for nap around 930 / 10 ish for nap, they're not tired before then. They usually sleep 1.5 hours. Then the afternoon nap is usually shorter, around an hour.

Nancy54 Wed 31-Jul-13 10:39:16

I should add that they are 10 and a bit months and a month ago they were going down a bit earlier

brightonbythesea Wed 31-Jul-13 12:07:52

I decided not to wake her - she can only stay awake 3 hours ish from nap one to nap two, so cutting her first one short just means an early afernoon nap and an even earlier bedtime and I don't think this will help the EW. She woke after 1hr15mins anyway.
I can feel myself getting obsessed with this; must get over it and remember it is just a phase!

brightonbythesea Wed 31-Jul-13 12:08:32

smile at 5.45 lie in!

minipie Wed 31-Jul-13 19:49:27

I do the morning nap at 9.15/9.30 brighton - tbh it's not too much of a struggle to keep her up till then, she has always been able to keep going between sleeps much longer than the books say she should. (she is 9 months but 7.5 corrected age as she was prem)

I used to do it earlier but then read that pushing it later helps with early waking, so i made it later... Not helping so far... hmm

minipie Wed 31-Jul-13 19:51:13

argh at waking in the night twice and then an early morning too nancy. if dd wakes in the night she mostly then sleeps till after 6 (small mercies)

brightonbythesea Wed 31-Jul-13 20:18:24

i had a reluctant look at gina ford to see her views on EMW. She has a nap at 9.30-10-10.15 then a 2 hour nap at 12.30. I dont think I could do this as my little one wont go back to sleep less than three hrs from waking.

minipie Wed 31-Jul-13 20:27:06

Yeah likewise. GF timings are for sleep loving babies I think.

She also says it's important to make sure early waking babies go back to sleep, whatever you need to do to manage that (ie even by feeding them --as if I hadn't tried that--) as otherwise they are likely to end up being long term early wakers. Weep.

One of my twin also decided 5:30 was a reasonable time to wake up at around 8 months. Luckily giving her a cuddle in the dark with not talking and putting her back to bed often worked. She did stop doing it after about 2 weeks. I carried on like it was the middle of the night. Dark room, no talking, white noise etc. Thankfully she got the message!

Your DD may soon go back to later wakings. Try not encourage getting up and starting the day at 5:30!

brightonbythesea Thu 01-Aug-13 15:42:40

I'm loathed to go in to her room at that time though, as she will get all excited and I'm pretty certain she won't go back to sleep after she's seen me.
I never go into her room before 6.15 but it doesn't seem to be stopping her from waking early anyway.

brightonbythesea Thu 01-Aug-13 18:42:10

also, what time are you ladies putting your little ones down for the night? It doesn't seem to matter what time DD naps till in the afternoon, she is wacked by 6, so I bath then, feed at 6.15 then put her in her cot 6.30 where she falls asleep no later than 6.45. Perhaps this is too early but I cannot, whatever I do, keep her up. It could be why she's up so early, but later bedtimes have not worked for me in the past.

minipie Thu 01-Aug-13 19:45:51

7pm bedtime here. i find that a later bedtime, or shorter naps in the day, occasionally leads to a later wake up (or going back to sleep more readily) but often not... and if not then dd just gets grumpy/overtired.

agree with you about going in, dd gets very upset if I go in at 5.30/6 but don't get her up... she wails and wails as I leave the room as if she's being abandoned to wolves. she's much less upset if I just leave her (though she still calls for us, so not exactly quiet!)

Nancy54 Fri 02-Aug-13 06:13:28

Mine tend to be in bed by 730. Tbh I don't think what time you put them down makes that much difference as I have tred earlier and later nd its the same!

You're very lucky that you don't have to go in! Mine scream blue murder as soon as they wake! I have to scoot in v quickly so they don't wake the other!

Nancy54 Fri 02-Aug-13 06:22:34

Sat here at the mo with dtb who's been up since 530 and yawning away. He woke his sister but dp managed to get her back to sleep and its 720 here! (In France!)

Nancy54 Fri 02-Aug-13 06:43:56

Still asleep.....they'll never nap at the same time this morning now....

brightonbythesea Fri 02-Aug-13 08:23:01

ah nancy that is annoying that they are doing different things. My little one made it to 6am this morning by some kind of miracle - she actually went to sleep at 6.20 last night as she was so tired!

We left her till 20 past, and then just as I was about to go to her she went quiet - I thought she'd gone back to sleep but was making a racket again by 6.30. Aah well small progress. I actually thought she's be up at 5 as she'd gone to bed so early!

minipie Fri 02-Aug-13 10:09:32


we had 6.45am this morning! not sure why, I didn't do anything differently yesterday.... possibly the heat tired her out.

hope it continues bet it won't though

Nancy54 Fri 02-Aug-13 12:28:35

Yay that's great mini! Dtg slept til 8!!!! This has however resulted in a totally f**ked up day because she just refused to go down for nap, finally went down at 1145 but only slept for 30 mins and is grouchy. Dtb only had 45 mins. They usually have a More or less synchronized 11/2 hr nap in the morning! What has happened??? I got the worst of both worlds because had to get up at 530 with dtb but cos of dtg's lie, no napping together......the joy of twins!

brightonbythesea Sun 04-Aug-13 18:56:45

excited for your lie ins ladies! We've done a few days of getting to the grand old time of 6am!

minipie Sun 04-Aug-13 19:32:48

humph, had 5am this morning. I know why it is - she's overtired, hadn't napped enough Friday and Saturday, and wouldn't nap much today either sad

minipie Sun 04-Aug-13 20:07:37

glad you've had 6ams Brighton - that's my aim-for time!

brightonbythesea Mon 05-Aug-13 07:57:54

minipie 5am sucks, poor you. By some kind of miracle my DD woke at 7.02 this morning!!!! Definitely a fluke, but I'll take anything...
I didn't do anything differently - in fact, we have a stick up black out curtain that we put behind her curtains in the evenings, and I was so tired from a busy weekend that we forgot to put it up. So, the light shone in, the noisy road we lived on was it's usual monday morning self, she went to bed really early as she was so tired (like 6.15) and she sleeps late?!! I give up trying to solve this, it is a mystery. Did you get a bit later this morning minipie?

minipie Mon 05-Aug-13 08:17:49

yes - 5.30 but then put on the white noise and dd went back to sleep till 6.45 hooray. 7.02 wow, I don't think we've ever had past 7am. hope it lasts!

brightonbythesea Mon 05-Aug-13 09:10:34

I hope it continues, but I have doubt...
That's great that she goes back off with the white noise - I don't think my one would do that. Do you have a machine or use a noise off your phone?

minipie Mon 05-Aug-13 09:55:04

she doesn't always but I think it helps... especially if she seems genuinely tired rather than bouncy and wide awake. I have a Sleep Sheep (was a gift) which makes the noise but I actually think that a phone app or something might be better, as the sheep cuts off after 40 mins. Sound of waves seems to work best for dd and it has to be really loud.

well at least you got one lie in! or did you wake up anyway? I find that happens to me if dd sleeps unexpectedly long, gah.

brightonbythesea Mon 05-Aug-13 10:08:43

I stirred about 5.30 and wondered where the dulcit tones of my daughter were...! But I actually went back to sleep until she woke up. Feels good! She was really tired by 9 (lightweight) but stayed up till just after 9.30 for her nap. I find usually I'm like you - once she's made a noise I'm up anyway.

Yes perhaps this one lie-in will give me the energy I need for the rest of the week :-)

brightonbythesea Wed 07-Aug-13 07:32:44

well, in the last 3 days I've had 2x 7am and 1x 5.40. Obviously largely pleased with this, as I've heard her stir and go back to sleep on the later wake up days.

Nothing different on any day, similar naps, same bedtime, fairly busy days. I wish I knew what it was, so I could get the 7ish wake time consistent...

minipie Wed 07-Aug-13 19:17:56

ooh, a repeated 7am, amazing! let me know if you crack the secret!

yesterday we had 6am and no going back to sleep, today we had 5.30 wake but she went back to sleep within a couple of minutes and without any white noise assistance, woke at 6.40. A bit short on nap time today so let's see if she wakes earlier or later tomorrow...

we also had a couple of wakes in the middle of the night last night [yawn] hope it's not the start of the dreaded 9 month regression!

backinaminute Thu 08-Aug-13 06:50:05

Not just us then - it's painful. I've just come on here to see if anyone has any solutions for exactly the same thing.

Ds2 (8mo) shares a room with his brother and is fine from 7pm till about 5am. I then have to whip him out as he really cries and won't settle back down. I've always fed back to sleep in our bed but this has lost it's magic touch.

We co-slept as a newborn but its not quite the same with a wriggly, scratching 8mo. Not so much sleepy snuggles but a battle in semi-darkness.

Maybe it's a phase and he will grow out of it........ His brother has a gro-clock which is brill and he stays in bed till 7. We bought it when he went from waking at half 7 to 6 - and we thought that was problematic! (Oh how lucky we were).

It is now 6.49 and he is already knackered - marvellous grin

brightonbythesea Thu 08-Aug-13 07:29:47

5 minutes to 7 this morning. I can't quite believe it, and I'm sure it is will not last. I have not changed naps (they vary in length but fall about the same time 9 and 1.30) and I am putting her in bed early, i.e. in her cot no later than 6.30 sometimes as early as 6.20 to avoid overtiredness which happens to her easily, especially if naps have been a bit ropey.

Perhaps the few days of just not responding to her last week did the trick, no idea but I'm sure I will be back in the next day or two discussing the repeat of 5.30!

minipie Thu 08-Aug-13 07:54:10

wow! ok you are the new guru grin how long does your dd nap for roughly?

brightonbythesea Thu 08-Aug-13 08:56:49

haha, yep my 3 7am starts are definitely making me the new expert round here wink

Well, on a very tired day she does 2 lots of 1.5 hours - that's my dream nap day. In reality they are more like 1hr - 1hr15 each. Yesterday however, she slept 45 mins in the morning and 1hr 15 in the afternoon. In my expert opinion it doesn't make any difference to the night sleep at the moment! I never wake her from naps unless it is excessive (like more than two hours, so about twice in her life)

brightonbythesea Thu 08-Aug-13 18:47:10

backinaminute sorry to hear you are in the early wake up club, it's a right pain, and exhausting. My daughter has done a few good mornings in the last few days but I can't pinpoint it to anything for sure. If I get another couple of reasonable wake up times, I think I am going to say that the very early bedtime to avoid overtiredness is what is helping. I've not changed anything else other than making sure she's in bed earlier than other babies seem to go!

brightonbythesea Mon 12-Aug-13 11:20:00

whats newsy early waking comrades? my dd is about 1/2 a week up before 6, the other half up between 6.30-7. hope you are gettig some success smile

minipie Mon 12-Aug-13 11:54:37

hello! well we seem to have a lot of 6ams at the moment - somewhere between 10 to 6 and 10 past 6. Given the consistency I don't think there's anything particularly causing it, I think she's just had enough sleep ... could be worse i suppose <resolves for the millionth time to get to bed earlier>

brightonbythesea Mon 12-Aug-13 13:23:59

wasn't 6am your target?! In which case, hurrah! It's still bloody early but it isn't the dreaded 5.30. My DD is completely inconsistant, and is also napping extremely badly at the moment. She is making a giant fuss about it every time, then isn't staying asleep for long. Always one sleep problem after another...!!

minipie Mon 12-Aug-13 13:42:02

Yes it was my target, of course now we have 6am I want 6.30... grin but yes it's not bad really especially given she is cutting a tooth poor lamb.

sorry to hear of your napping woes - I actually find bad napping one of the hardest things to deal with as I get paranoid about overtiredness and end up tramping the streets with the pram muttering 'go to bloody sleep' like a mad woman. Hope it improves. I often do naps in the pram at home so I can rock dd back to sleep if she wakes too early.

brightonbythesea Mon 12-Aug-13 14:01:00

ditto about getting stressed about bad naps, I probably shouldn't but I do get wound up about it, and then dread the day with my overtired baby! I often make the mistake of trying to get her to go back to sleep (in cot, pram, car whatever) and these days she NEVER does, once she's awake she will only go back to sleep 3ish hours later!
For example, I put her down at 1,20 today she was asleep by half past. I have just heard her squeaking at 2pm, aggh! although it has gone quiet so perhaps it was just a squeak this time. I wish I could be one of those relaxed mumma's who go with the flow but I just can't!
You go for your 6.30, that is the first time of day that is seriously human .

minipie Mon 12-Aug-13 14:26:26

hope it was just a squeak Brighton!

brightonbythesea Mon 12-Aug-13 14:40:23

it was a squeak! she's still asleep, hurrah!

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