<yawn> anyone else got a developmentaly leaping, forgotten how to sleeping, growth spurting baby?

(132 Posts)
Indith Mon 10-Sep-12 21:23:54

Want to come be sleep deprived with me?

Ds2 is 6 months old. By this age ds1 was sleeping 13 hours a night. I feel all misty eyed at the memory.

He started self settling at 4 months but then the 4 month regression hit and we've not seen that again but he as fairly settled, feeding 3 hourly and going right back to sleep.

Currently he is trying desperately to crawl. He fights sleep like crazy, hardly naps in the day even on the school run or in the car. If at home and I put him down he is awake and screaming within 5 minutes while trying to do press ups and crawl around the bed. When he finally gives up in the evening and either feeds to sleep or lets dh walk him around the house til he drops off he wakes several times during the evening screaming and tossing around and will not let dh settle him any more. He wakes constantly at night, I'm talking every half hour or so and for the first half of the night latches on and feeds back to sleep but then in the middle part is so bloody full of milk he won't latch on and just head buts me and hits me before he settles in to feeding again towards 4am.

This had bloody well better be a developmental leap that passes soon. So, so tired.

He woke this evening and screamed and screamed and screamed. He even screamed at me when I tried to latch him on. Poor baby really doesn't seem to be able to stay asleep any more even when he is desperate to sad

Indith Mon 10-Sep-12 21:48:06

You all have sleeping babies don't you. Well I'm off to crawl into bed next to my baby and see what tonight brings.

Bicnod Mon 10-Sep-12 21:59:11

Mine is 14 months and occasionally taunts me by sleeping through, then it's back to sleep deprivation hell.

His brother was the same and started sleeping through consistently at 22 months.

Oh god. Still another 8 months to go confused

What I'm trying to say is you have my sympathy!

Raspberryandorangesorbet Mon 10-Sep-12 22:27:11

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SarryB Mon 10-Sep-12 22:34:39

Yes, yes, yes and yes.

LO is 20 weeks old. Teething, waking for feeds about 3-6 times a night, not wanting to sleep between 3am and 7am. Grrr. Where did that lovely baby go who was sleeping 10 hours in a row? Also, constantly full of farts which I can't seem to get out.
So tired.

Raspberryandorangesorbet Mon 10-Sep-12 22:38:32

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Southfacing Mon 10-Sep-12 23:21:32

Cosleeping. The only way to survive with babies who haven't read the book that says they should be sleeping through.

Dummies too.

Maybe it's teeth? You could also try a cranial osteopath if you want to exclude anything physical. (I did and said osteopath said his waking was just 'habit' -- I felt like punching that smug childless know-all!)

BikeRunSki Mon 10-Sep-12 23:28:19

Me too. DD is 10 months old, sleeps through about once a fortnight, but that is with getting up at 5.30am. DS on t'other hand slept like a baby from 6 months, although now is unsettled before 9pm. DD crashes at 6.20 pm. I am putting them to bed for 3 hours. Then I manage about an hour and a half until I crash around 10.30; then DD is up in night a couple of times and up for the day at 5.30am. I have tried to coordinate their bedtimes, I really have, but I have a natural born owl and lark.

BikeRunSki Mon 10-Sep-12 23:29:14

Oh yes and the farts. What's that all about?

SwivelHips Tue 11-Sep-12 04:33:50

I have a farty, fidgeting 14wk old currently on his second feed today.
If he gets 4 month sleep regression then ffs what would that be. He wakes every 2 to 3 hrs as it is. We have nowhere to go.
So tired :/

Cydonia Tue 11-Sep-12 05:29:34

Yes, me too. DS is almost 16 weeks, was sleeping fairly ok til he hit the 12 week growth spurt early and that seemed to roll into early 4 month sleep regression. Last night was up with him 5 times, tonight I thought we'd cracked it as his first stretch of sleep was almost 5hrs! I got 3 whole hours sleep together!! But it's going downhill now, he's currently thrashing around in his cot grunting and farting. His eyes are closed but surely he can't be asleep?
I was thinking of seeing a cranial osteopath, it was the one thing I didn't try when he had colic. If it is wind/ digestive issues I suppose it's worth a try?
If it wasn't for MN I would think I was a total failure. All the babies at the various groups I go to and all my friends babies are either sleeping through or just waking up once or twice. I don't even think they're lying as they look genuinely horrified that I'm up every two hours.

Suchanamateur Tue 11-Sep-12 07:05:42

Yes yes yes. DD 6 months and after a blissful week of self settling, and sleeping long stretches is now refusing naps, taking forever (2hrs plus) to go to sleep, waking up at the arsecrack of dawn and treating her cot like a fairground ride. DS is watching ALOT of cbeebies and I an torturing myself that she is getting significantly under the amount of sleep age should.

We eventually resorted to cc with DS at 10 months which worked like a dream. But can't see how you sleep train a baby that doesn't cry just rockets around their cot...

Sympathy to all

Indith Tue 11-Sep-12 08:10:36

Mmmmm I love you all.

Ds2 was so bloody AWAKE last night. Not fussing just AWAKE and cooing and blowing raspberries on dh when I comandeered him to help settle him.

We alraedy co-sleep so not entirely sure what else to do to get more sleep. Anyway when he is in fuss mode he doesn't just feed and let me sleep he bobs on and off the breast and hits me. Charming boy.

He juse needs to work out this crawling thing! He is sooooo close!

Still, dd started sleeping through fairly consistantly aged 3 ish. Sort of. Ok more like 3 and a half and she still wakes most nights.

But it will pass right? One day they will be old enough to leave home. Then I'll sleep.

Suchanamateur Tue 11-Sep-12 08:47:55

Awake and raspberry blowing is the worst. At least when they're crying, you know you've got a fair shot at getting them back down.

Only 8.30 and first nap of the day already over. Ugh.

Our developmental 'spurt' has now been going on 3 weeks. At this rate it'll pass just in time for the 8 month sleep regression. And I thought 6 months was meant to be a good time for sleep...<wails>

I should say that though cc worked well, DS hasnt consistently slept through since 18 months (now 2.5) but at least he's easier to settle than the baby.

Indith Tue 11-Sep-12 09:33:25

Yup. Ours has been going on for weeks too. We had lovely self settling followed by 4 month regression followed by some stabilisation and doing 3 hourly feeds which was lovely then teething which has run into another regression/developmental leap at 6 months.

9.20 and we've not had a nap yet even though I have just got in from the school run so he has been in a sling for an hour. How many babies do you know who can resist an hour in the sling without falling asleep!

Dd was a terrible, terrible sleeper and I had PND and severe sleep deprivation. My eyes ended up so sore and my vision would blur and I'd pass up on plans to meet friends because I knew I wasn't safe to drive. I get so scared when we hit these phases because I feel myself slipping the same way.

I'm not a big believer in cc though sometimes it has its place. Ds1 slept well but then we moved hosue twice within a few months and he had a run of ear infections. After that his sleep went to pot but he would wake at night and scream at me and if I tried to feed him to sleep he pushed me away and screamed even more. He must have been 10 months ish at the time. Eventually we left him to scream because cuddling him just seemed to be making it worse and he was asleep within a few minutes and started sleeping through again. Dd you could never jsut leave to scream, you had to stay with her and cuddle her as she screamed because she just increased tension by screaming and would carry on for hours and hours.

We shall see with ds2. I'll let him get to grips with crawling and then see where we go. I am trying to find a balance between his developmental leaps and needs, the older dc's needs and my needs too. I start at university in March full time on a demanding course so I kind of need sleep by then.

Seriouslysleepdeprived Tue 11-Sep-12 09:46:15

Having the same problems here. DS has never been a great sleeper but I consoled myself with at least he self settled from 13 weeks.

That all went out the window with the 4 month sleep regression, followed by a holiday & now he won't sleep at all!! He was up seven times last night. Still no nap today as yet despite being in the buggy for 40 mims. Nightmare.

Stresses me out big time. Not keen on CC either, especially was he doesn't really cry.

He's 5 months so its teething & weaning next...do they ever sleep?!

SarryB Tue 11-Sep-12 09:52:00

Tired. Stupid 4 month sleep regression - has anyone else noticed that their baby is doing the same behaviours as when they were smaller too?

LO has gone back to arching his back and refusing BF again, just like he did when he was 0-2 months. Arg. Really don't want to give him more formula.

Seriouslysleepdeprived Tue 11-Sep-12 10:37:45

Yes DS has been doing this & I realised he wasn't hungry. He has started going 3-4 hourly between feeds. Not always but sometimes he's just doesn't fancy it I guess .

Suchanamateur Tue 11-Sep-12 11:51:23

DD does this when she's overtired. And biting (but that might also be teething). Fun.

Mitsouko Tue 11-Sep-12 12:04:20

Hi there and sympathies! My DD is 6 months this week and rarely sleeps more than 2-3 hours at a time. Every once in awhile she might do a 4-5 hour stretch, usually from 8ish to 12 or 1am, but it doesn't happen often. She's also quite unsettled in her sleep and often needs hourly shush pats to keep herself from waking up and getting hysterical.

She's struggled with sleep from birth, really so we've never had a good stretch. She had terrible colic until 10 weeks and has reflux as well. I've not slept more than 3 hours at a time since my last trimester, so really beyond exhausted by now.

Everyone says it gets easier, but I'll believe it when I see it!

SarryB Tue 11-Sep-12 12:20:18

I know what you mean mitsuko - everyone always says 'it'll get better by 3 months', then it's 'it'll get better by 5 months' and so on. You must be so knackered.

Mitsouko Tue 11-Sep-12 13:50:33

Yes, indeed...I well and truly am. At least she is my first, don't know how I'd manage a toddler with a baby like DD.

'Self-settling' is a completely alien concept to her. Whenever we've tried she just goes from nice and drowsy to fully awake and hysterical within the space of 5 minutes. Have been giving it a go a few times each week just as an experiment, but it really stresses DD out. I'm not a believer in CIO so here we are, feeding and cuddling and rocking to sleep...all night long.

Hoped that at 6 months it would be getting easier but cest la vie. According to my mum I was a horrendous sleeper until age two, so maybe its genetic...or karma!

Indith Tue 11-Sep-12 14:02:22

I.Am.Losing.The.Plot.

Although so is ds2 it seems.

Cydonia Tue 11-Sep-12 14:14:18

Here was me thinking that when we got to 6 months and started weaning it would improve..... sad

artifarti Tue 11-Sep-12 15:03:08

I have found you all! DS2 is 5.5 months and for the first 14 weeks I was Mrs Smuggy of Smugsville - he was sleeping 8 hour stretches at night, self-settling down for a little nap whenever he felt the need, charming and chilled when awake...

...then we hit the damned 16 week regression early and it all went out of the window. Waking up 3 times is a good night; now he's teething it can be every 1-1.5 hours. It's impossible for him to nap in his cot, not least because DS1 (just turned 4) careers around like a lunatic, shouting and 'dropping' lego. All naps now demand pram or sling and naps don't last longer than 50 minutes, if I'm lucky. Can't wait for DS1 to start school next week so I can try to get a better routine and stop yelling at poor DS1 sad.

Suchanamateur Tue 11-Sep-12 15:13:53

So glad am not the only shouty mummy out there sad. I thought the whole point of second or third children was that they were really easy, slept anywhere because they had to do it all to the chaos backdrop of number 1. My 'I will only sleep in a cot mummy and then only when you've patted me to oblivion' delightful DD clearly doesn't know this.

Indith Tue 11-Sep-12 17:03:09

Arti your naps and sleep stretches sound positively wonderful to me right now!

Sadly I have found that while school runs are great with a little baby to space out naps and feeds they also mean that the baby gets used to napping on the school runs so you don't get any nap time at home.

I just want more than 20 mins at a time tonight. That would be lovely. It may also help me to stop shouting so much.

Ds2 used to sleep through noise but now he is so bloody nosy he just wakes up and wriggles around the room following the big ones.

PoppyAmex Tue 11-Sep-12 17:41:51

DD is 26 weeks and was sleeping 12 hours EVERY night since she was a few weeks old. Every single night.

12 hours of blissful sleep with one dreamfeed and never woke up.

Enter 4 month sleep regression and I could die - she wakes up a million times a night for no particular reason. We have always co-slept, so I can't even add that to the mix.

Like you OP, I'm desperate to see her crawl as she's obsessed with it and is getting really close (started crawling backwards yesterday but still very pissed off hmm )

Accordingly to the "Wonder Weeks" this tage can last anything from 2 weeks to 3 months [faints]

Indith Tue 11-Sep-12 18:09:49

3 months? <<weeps>>

notwoo Tue 11-Sep-12 18:21:16

3 months???

We were doing so well- 5-6 hour stretches from a week old, not even crying when he woke up-just a little grunt to politely request some milk

Then we hit 4 months and he started waking every 3 hours and being a bit more vocal.

Thought we'd beaten that one around 5 months with a formula feed at 11 and a bit of mush in the day leading to him waking after 4 hours instead.

Now we're at 6 months-we've had screaming for the first time ever, waking every hour only being soothed with boob, flailing around, flipping over and getting stuck on his tummy etc etc.

Dd was a horrendous sleeper. I really can't go back to that!!

Now

BikeRunSki Tue 11-Sep-12 19:30:38

DD just gone to bed. 10 months. Woke up 3 times last night. At night I am the only person who can settle her (and she is not even bf). Please, for the love of God and all things holy sleep tonight, please.

Indith Tue 11-Sep-12 20:02:51

Ds2 went to bed tonight [hock] and has not yet woken up! shockshock Even if I have jinxed it by saying that this is his longest sleep stretch for quite some time.

BikeRunSki Tue 11-Sep-12 21:03:40

A personal best for DD. Asleep for an hour and about 10 mind before wailing started.

rhetorician Tue 11-Sep-12 21:19:37

yep: dd2 is 9 months and pretty monstrous on the sleep front (although of course charming in every other respect). We moaned incessantly about dd1 (sometimes on here, sometimes to people formerly known as friends) but actually she was almost at the sleeping through point by this stage. DD2 naps ok (mostly), but goes to bed around 7 - and is on her second wake-up so far. On a good night she might stay asleep from around 8-3, but then will be buggering about, draining the lifeblood from poor DP feeding. Up at 7, usually. She sleeps in cot until the 3am despair, at which point she ends up in bed with us.

She is almost crawling, almost standing and starting to make meaningful noises (well, to us, anyway); she has had ear infection, ABs which upset her tummy and to cap it off I think she is growing a new tooth. Doesn't make it ok though, kiddo...

Cydonia Tue 11-Sep-12 22:27:38

Put DS to bed tonight (9pm, bedtime routine did not go to plan), wide awake so gave dummy. DS discovers his hands can meet each other and coordinate in taking dummy in and out of mouth. Even though it takes him a while to go to sleep I am a proud mummy and vainly hoping this was what he was working on and tomorrow night he will sleep for hours and hours....
In the meantime I'm going to sleep myself now while all is peaceful. Hope everyone has a good night!

SwivelHips Wed 12-Sep-12 03:48:56

I hope everyone is fast asleep and I'm the alone awake with a very farty ds.
If I need to change his nappy then its game over for me....sigh

lucylookout Wed 12-Sep-12 04:06:22

Nope you're not alone. I'm here, also feeding farty ds. He's only 8 weeks old but gets increasingly hard to settle from this time on. God help me when we get to 4 months.

VintageNancy Wed 12-Sep-12 05:11:01

My 5 month DD used to sleep 7 hours at night back in the olden days! Then at around 2.5 months she added a waking, and then another and then ended up waking every 2 hours.

We're now getting 3-4 hour stretches with the occasional 6-8 hour stretch to get us over excited! She usually goes down at around 8pm, wakes after an hour and needs resettling, then goes to about 1am and then 4 & then up at 7. I can usually resettle her without feeding at 1 so she can go 8 hours without nursing but still wakes up at 1 anyway most nights. Tried dream feeding but it makes no difference.

So tired all the time, and spend a lot of the day obsessing about sleep!!

VintageNancy Wed 12-Sep-12 05:12:26

I should add that I'm in the US so it's still yesterday here (9pm) wink.

jaggythistle Wed 12-Sep-12 06:16:37

me too. DS2 20 weeks had a brief period of only up once or twice before sleep regression. his record was only about 5 or 6 hours in a row and this only happened twice though.

he's been up and down for what seems like ages but is probably only a few weeks.

I've resorted to nervous co sleeping and putting him back in cot when conked out. i was feeling a wee bit more rested compared to falling asleep sitting up. however the last two mornings it's not working and he's gone all wriggly and farty and cried.

I've had to sit back up to feed him. he's now passed out but i think the fart was a poo. sad

i don't want to wake him to change him as he'll probably wake DS1 who was still awake and grinning at 10pm. a combination of grumpy and toilet training is not attractive in a toddler.

also i was going to start getting up earlier, to practise for going back to work and also so half the day doesn't fly by while DS1 sits on the toilet for ages we all get ready.

oh. that was a bit of a grumble then. blush

Suchanamateur Wed 12-Sep-12 06:30:20

Gah. DD up sInging at 5 and no amount of patting or feeding is getting her back down. She's in her cot now, yowling and laughing but I am not getting her up yet, in the vain hope she might eventually go back. No idea what I do about first nap if she doesn't (and looking increasingly unlikely). And she sucks her thumb FFS. I thought this was meant to be the answer to everything. Hope better nights all round.

jaggythistle Wed 12-Sep-12 06:35:58

DS2 actually asleep in cot now, just me all awake. he intermittently sucks his thumb too, but doesn't seem to like it as much as DS1 sad

Suchanamateur Wed 12-Sep-12 06:42:36

She loves hers. Doesn't seem to make gee sleep though. She's a tummy sleeper and just flips on her back and waves around like an overexcited beetle. Even though she knows perfectly well how to flip back.

And DH and I have just had a muttered argument about it. His view is that we should always just leave her. But he doesn't then have to deal with wreck of an overtired baby, massive nap refusal and even more frequent wakings, does he? 15 more minutes and then I'll get her up for 10 minutes before trying to put her back to sleep...

busyboysmum Wed 12-Sep-12 08:56:23

Waves tiredly, ds3 is 9 months old and has been a terrible sleeper from day 1. My other 2 were fab sleepers and I thought just by following what I did with them all would be well (hollow laugh)

He has started waking now at 4am, last night I couldn't settle him till 5.30am then I dropped off at 6am, he woke at 6.08am! Am sooooooooooo tired, just wanted to check in really to see there are others in the same exhausted boat.

Indith Wed 12-Sep-12 09:22:07

Morning smile

Well ds2 managed a whole hour before the screaming started last night! A whole hour! Sadly the rest of the night did not go so well. His chatter is very cute and everythign but not so much in the wee small hours.

However this morning dd i at nursery, I've just got in from taking ds1 to school and so it is just me and ds2 until 1pm. This morning, should my baby by some miracle sleep I am going to nap along with him. Sod the shit tip house.

Does anyone else feel like the housework etc just gets on top of them and adds to the gneral shitness of it all? The more exhausted, the less well I function, the more all the jobs start creeping up on me as I lag behind and before I know it I am in a huge mess and it jsut really gets to me.

Seriouslysleepdeprived Wed 12-Sep-12 11:29:45

Yes the housework stresses me out too. Feel like the list of jobs just gets bigger & bigger. It's the never being able to finish a job that gets me. Everything is half done. Clothes are clean but not put away, room is semi tidy but needs a hoover etc. Drives me nuts.

As the nap situ is now so dire im spending so long trying to get him to nap I don't get anything done. Once he is asleep I'm then creeping round scared of waking him so don't get anything done. I need a daily cleaner/tidy person really grin

Suchanamateur Wed 12-Sep-12 12:13:54

Staff (cleaner, cook, perhaps full time patter and toddler toy tidy-upper (could be a job share)) would make life so much better. grin Off to buy a lottery ticket

VintageNancy Wed 12-Sep-12 13:24:06

Oh yes I need a cleaner too! We've had two 4 hour stretches tonight (now 5.20am). Feeding dd now & about to put her down. Fingers crossed for another couple of hours!

Indith Wed 12-Sep-12 13:34:27

Oh a cleaner would be amazing!

Vintage yay for sleep, hope you get a good sleep in now!

Ds2 only napped for about 5 mins this morning but has just snoozed picking dd up from nursery so that is probably it for me now until bedtime. I have so much to do because we just split our loft dumping ground bedroom into a bedroom for dd and an office so have all the contents of the loft down here needing sorting, packing into nice new storage boxes and putting back up neatly in the designated storage bit but ds is at that delightful roll around, try to crawl, get stuck, scream stage so needs lots of entertaining and I can't get anything done! Can't believe jsut a few weeks ago he would merrily sit on teh bouncy chair and watch me wash up and tidy <<sigh>>

PoppyAmex Wed 12-Sep-12 14:06:23

Yes, housework is a nightmare and along with the sleep deprivation it really contributes to my general feeling of quiet despair - nothing gets done "properly" and I really hate living like this, the only saving grace is that DD is so incredibly lovely grin

We had another night of hourly awakenings for no particular reason and so far the usual 45 minutes' naps (you could set your watch by them).

Also started BLW but very few exciting developments on that front as it's early days.

Does anyone know if this "phase" gets better after they hit the 6 months mark? [clutching at straws]

rhetorician Wed 12-Sep-12 14:33:02

or if the phase gets better after 9 months?? night was ok, mostly, up at 7, 25 minute nap this morning, so overtired now and resisting like mad. Cranky too. And not just the baby smile

artifarti Wed 12-Sep-12 15:00:19

Usual crap second half of night here. At one point I could see him, crying in his sleep seemingly, as he frantically tried to roll over (can't do it yet).

Just woken up after 25 minutes of nap and is now bawling his head off for no discernible reason. Everyone goes on about the newborn phase being awful but I remember with DS1 that bit was fine but months 5-10 were awful. Deja vu...

And, yes, the place is a tip and I am horrid shouty Ceebeebies-reliant mum sad.

Suchanamateur Wed 12-Sep-12 19:38:41

We had good naps today after our arse crack of dawn waking. Paying for it now with a dreadful bedtime. She is soooo tired- why doesn't she just fucking sleep?

Indith Wed 12-Sep-12 19:50:49

If I knew I wouldn't be sitting here with ds2 on my lap.

Suchanamateur Wed 12-Sep-12 20:04:37

The evening nightmare is my least favourite bit. Enough already.

Cydonia Wed 12-Sep-12 20:24:49

Suchanamateur - ditto! DS more or less awake from 5am til 12pm today, followed by two long naps ( ha ha see I told him he was tired! ). Have gone a bit earlier with bedtime tonight and he has just eventually settled. Thank god, I've done so much 'shhhhhing' my mouths gone dry. Wonder if I'll manage to eat, shower and watch Mrs Biggs before he wakes up.....

Cydonia Wed 12-Sep-12 20:27:52

Oh and does anyone else find that their LO sleeps better at night if they haven't had good naps during the day? So much for 'sleep begets sleep', I think I prefer an over-tired meltdown followed by a 5hr stretch of sleep.

Indith Thu 13-Sep-12 08:07:44

No sleep begets sleep I think in this house. Sort of anyway. Or at least no sleep means less sleep.

Ds2 went down at 7 last night and woke 5 times between then and 10pm! 5 times! Then I went to bed so it all gets a bit hazy and I have no idea how many times I rolled over and latched him on.

I am taking a few things as positive though and that is that when he woke during the evening he allowed dh to settle him by singing twinkle twinkle without screaming and he seemed more settled at night, just feeding and sleeping rather than being randomly awake and hitting me so maybe, maybe we are coming to the end of this phase. Maybe.

Suchanamateur Thu 13-Sep-12 10:28:07

Fingers crossed Indith. And yes, less sleep=less sleep here. I think part of our problem is escalating over tiredness.

Ok- quick rant... Totally fed up with this. Utterly obsessed by sleep (and not helping my PND), have read everything there is to read and still can't get it right but now also feel that I'm failing DD somehow. DH and I beginning to argue about how to handle- less because he is worried about the sleep but more because he's worried about how it impacts me. I need to either Do Something or find some way of making peace with myself, stop over thinking and ride it out. Anyone else obsessing or have tips on how to stop? Need to use what is left of my brain to work out if I should go back to my old job, and if not, what instead?

None of this is going to be helped by a 5 hour drive tonight to go on holiday with a baby who doesn't like sleeping in the car.

Rant over. Apologies.

TooImmatureTurtleDoves Thu 13-Sep-12 12:38:44

Can I join? DD is 6 months and last night woke up every 1-1.5 hours. This has been going on for at least 6 weeks, possibly longer. She was such a good sleeper before then! <weeps>

She does usually nap during the day, twice, usually for a total of 3 hours. She goes to bed well - feeds to sleep in minutes. She just doesn't bloody well stay asleep. When she wakes in the night, she cries until I feed her, and then is back to sleep in 10 minutes. Sometimes she wakes up every 10 minutes for an hour, just to vary the pace.

And yes, the housework, never my strong point, just adds to it all and makes me feel even more miserable. So does the dog, who seems to be continually tracking mud in/looking mournful because he wants a walk/getting under my feet/bin-raiding because I forgot to shut the kitchen door at night.

Seriouslysleepdeprived Thu 13-Sep-12 13:55:02

Such I'm with you on the obsessing front. I've become totally obsessed with sleep & naps. DS has only had two 20 mins naps today & it's making me feel physically sick that he wouldn't sleep longer sad

I've tried everything. Been out with the buggy for 2.5 hours. Tried him in the cot, the carrier, nothing helps. Not sure why it stresses me out so much. Interesting what you say about PND playing a part for you.

Cydonia Thu 13-Sep-12 18:10:16

TITD I also have dog guilt. She's dealing brilliantly with being pushed down my priorities list, which in a way makes me feel worse. Shes currently sat surrounded by stuffing from one of her toys patiently waiting for me to finish feeding DS and feed her. And she's casting like crazy, I'm forever picking hairs off DS, god knows what I'm going to do when he's crawling!
Early bedtime last night didn't help, DS woke up 6 times, though a couple of times he settled without being fed. He's not napped longer than half an hour today and has had his vaccinations so is currently in a foul mood. Going to phone up and book an appointment with a cranial osteopath tomorrow, it's got to be worth a try.

Indith Fri 14-Sep-12 19:42:43

Last night was horrible. We had hysterical screaming, we had wakeful baby nattering away in the wee small hours. What happened to my lovely settled baby? He is still my lovely settled baby when awake though smile. He slept most of the afternoon today for some odd reason but sadly this has not meant a lovely settled baby who would go to bed, nope he is on the sofa chattering to me. Bu I am not allowed to move more than 30cm away from him or he screws up his face and starts panicked crying. Daft baby.

Cydonia Sat 15-Sep-12 00:58:19

Oh god, poor you! Sounds like separation anxiety? Another developmental leap though, maybe things will improve for you now....
How come other people have babies that just quietly get on with growing up without all this fuss? sad

notwoo Sat 15-Sep-12 03:53:33

What is with all the pooing? Just started my own thread but ds has for the last week reliably pooed at least twice a night. It's killing me!

Bloody weaning!

Indith Sat 15-Sep-12 08:32:43

Ah notwoo I feel your pain, ds2 has also started pooing like a bloody newborn since weaning. Not that much food ever gets into the baby.

Cydonia I've had one of those babies, ds1 didn't do this! All pot luck though isn't it. Same parenting, completely different children.

Feeding marathon last night hmm. Ds2 sneezing and grumping on my knee. Happy days. House shit tip. Parents coming for the weekend. Must go hang nappies, put soup and bread on for lunch and sort the dcs's duvets out so I can put the summer ones away and then pull the sofa bed out.

Want to sit here watching beebies with the big 2 and drink hot chocolate.

Thank goodness for slings.

Seriouslysleepdeprived Sat 15-Sep-12 11:02:22

Slings are great...managing to get a bit more nap time in with the sling. Plus I can get some house jobs done too.

I'm almost to scared to write it but we've had a few reasonable nights in a row here. DS only woke four times last night, twice for a fed & twice to be resettled. Two feeds a night a can totally cope with. I'm even feeling pretty rested today!

Suchanamateur Sat 15-Sep-12 11:58:29

Well done Seriously. I was desperate to give DD a decent sleep yesterday after a hideous, hideous car journey but after one good nap in the cot, she refused sleep. Even in the sling. Cue a long and drawn out beftime for both toddler and baby. DH and I collapsed into bed pretty much as soon as we had them down. Holiday holiday..

rhetorician Sat 15-Sep-12 20:15:41

anybody have any idea why 9mo naps suddenly gone from 1 x 2h + 1 x 1h to 2 short ones, or why oh why she goes off easily enough and then wakes screaming about 30 minutes later (at bedtime). I suspect over-tiredness, but can't get her to nap any better...we are weary, we are weary. She is going in her own room next week, and there will be no more nighttime feeding <girds loins>

notwoo Sun 16-Sep-12 22:24:53

Oh man, I'm sorry to go on about this but the pooing is getting bloody ridiculous.

Have just spent nigh on an hour changing a dirty nappy, doing up 2 sets of poppers and a sleeping bag only to have him poo again the second I picked him up. Then on the second change he managed to get his hand in it and wipe it on the changing table.

By which point of course he's wide awake and needs another feed and a cuddle to get him back to sleep.

How on earth do people who extol co sleeping as the answer to sleepless nights cope with these situations?!

Cydonia Sun 16-Sep-12 23:29:08

Ugh, Notwoo! I feel I might have that to come, for some reason DS hasn't pooed all day and I'm just picturing it all building up inside him waiting to explode at about 3am....

Suchanamateur Mon 17-Sep-12 07:42:40

notwoo no suggestions I'm afraid as we have the opposite problem. 4 days now and despite lots of straining, nothing doing. I can tell its uncomfortable for her at night. I'm going to give solids a break for a day or so. Maybe worth trying?

Indith Mon 17-Sep-12 08:12:40

Sounds like there might be something affecting him notwoo. I'd cut right back on the solids for a bit then go gently. My dd has always had certain foods that affected her. Kiwis used to make her shit for England and even at 3 and a half just a few weeks ago we ate corn on the cob and she spent the next day pooing uncontrollably all other the place. A week later we had it again and she again spent the next day pooing uncontrollably.

Ds2 managed some crawling last night! Fingers crossed he gets well practiced at it soon and we all settle down. Last night was actually a much better night, he was far calmer and though he wanted to be close to me so I ended up all twisted and uncomfortable he went back off when he woke with some pats on the back and only fed a couple of times! He has also really got the hang of eating the past couple of days. Now I know that weaning doesn't make any difference to sleep but I can't help but hope!

Suchanamateur Mon 17-Sep-12 08:18:23

Sounds good Indith. I might try the kiwis and see of that gets things moving our end. So to speak.

We also had a better night after a grim bedtime although awake and full of the joys of spring from 4-5.30..

notwoo Tue 18-Sep-12 19:31:35

Have eased off on the solids again (such a shame when he is so enthusiastic!) and we've had a slight reduction in pooing smile

Tried his bottle of formula at 7pm rather than 11pm last night which wasn't a good plan. Took much longer to settle after it and then woke at 12.30 and 4am for a breastfeed anyway.

Am supposed to be leaving him overnight for the first time in a few weeks. Am worried he won't settle for dh...

Hotpotpie Thu 20-Sep-12 10:06:02

ah this post is like finding abit of sanity again - my lovely 12 hour sleeper is now sleeping from 8pm until about 2.30/3.00 and then shes awake and playing I thought I was going a bit mad but sleep regression I can cope with that hopefully it will pass smile of course my neighbours screaming every hour of the night nearly two year old doesnt help our cause its giving my LO ideas!

Indith Thu 20-Sep-12 11:23:33

Well I'm glad we seem sane to you Hotpot! I certainly don't feel sane!

Notwoo how is the poo?

Ds2 is still very unsettled. He hardly naps int he day which can't help but what can I do when I need to be out dropping off and picking up the big ones? Poor ds2 ends up screaming and fussing at night desperately wanting to sleep, he hits himself and claws his ears poor boy. Doesn't want to feed most of the time either which of course is my default setting.

I feel some tough love coming up. I would never, ever, ever just leave a baby to scream. Ever. But getting him up and cuddling him and walking around with him jsut isn't working, he just screams and hits himself and can't get to sleep. I think I might have to just lie there upstairs with him and pat him as he cries until he goes to sleep. At least do that for 3 or 4 nights and see what happens. Ds1 did go through a phase of being unable to settle at around a year old and we did similar because getting him out of bed and cuddling made him scream even more and he didn't want to feed back to sleep.

notwoo Thu 20-Sep-12 11:58:22

Oh the poo is never ending. Will speak to HV next week I think. 40+ nappies in a week at this age isn't right is it?

He is fairly happy though and back to 'only' waking up twice in the night.

Yes indith - maybe your best intentions are getting him into more of a state? Just try being with him and let him cry for a bit.

Naps are tricky with older ones around aren't they. I manage to get DS to have a morning one on way to and from playgroup but can't get him to have a long one in the afternoon so he tends to get over tired by bedtime.

notwoo Thu 20-Sep-12 12:00:04

And speak of the poo devil... he's just done number 6 this morning. aghhhhhhh

Indith Thu 20-Sep-12 12:05:44

Gosh that sounds like a LOT of poo, def talk to your HV. If there is some food he is reacting to then she will be able to point you in the right direction. Glad the nights are better though.

notwoo Thu 20-Sep-12 12:13:42

They aren't all big poos - more like lots of little bits. I remember DD having a very fast transit and being quite a prolific pooer but not to this extent!

Unsurprisingly his bottom is pretty sore so we're back to just using cotton wool and water which is a right messy faff.

Am laughing at the timing of my last post - I'd said to him earlier that if he did another one before midday I'd go mad. Looks like he just avoided that grin

Indith Thu 20-Sep-12 12:18:39

Get yourself to poundland and buy some packs of baby flannels. They are perfect wipe size and great for poos. Then just bung them in the machine with towels and stuff. Mich less faff than cotton wool.

notwoo Thu 20-Sep-12 12:37:56

Good idea - thank you.

hairytale Fri 21-Sep-12 08:32:38

Please help I have hardly slept all week.

DD 8 months tomorrow. Used to sleep through (with the exception of a couple of growth spurts) but now very difficult to settle in cot and waking four or five times a night. Slept through Tuesday but awake almost all night the other nights this week

Gone off solids.

Possibly teething .

Lots of farts.

Did a huge wet poo Monday but nothing since.

Co-slept from 4am til 8 am today - she slept but I couldn't.

I have post natal anxiety and I'm scared of having a total breakdown.

Indith Fri 21-Sep-12 13:23:21

Oh hairy I'm sorry you are feeling low. I sympathise, have been there with dd. You should see the go faster stripes on my car after having a panic attack in a carpark blush.

At the risk of being controversial if you think she may be teething have you tried the calpol test? As in give her a dose and if she is more settled then she is probably teething and in pain so keep dosing. If she isn't then cry and scratch youe head and think of another solution.

With the weekend can you escape to the spare room and leave your dh to deal with her and only bring her to you when she needs feeding so you can sleep?

Seriouslysleepdeprived Fri 21-Sep-12 15:53:01

I second the sleeping in another room & making DH the night nurse. We do this when I'm about to crack and it makes a huge difference. I've been shocked to discover how similar sleep deprivation and depression are. It's awful. No wonder they use it as a form of torture.

hairytale Fri 21-Sep-12 18:53:16

DP is equally sleep deprived and doesn't have boobs sad

Mitsouko Fri 21-Sep-12 20:30:47

Hairytale so sorry to best you are struggling. I don't have too many suggestions as I'm going through similar with 6 month old DD who has rarely slept for more than 2-3 hours at a time. Even on the odd occasion she's gone to 4 or so she's still very unsettled in her sleep and often needs shush pats every 45 minutes or so.

DD is in a cot in our bedroom, and we have a fold out single bed in the spare room as a place that either DH or I can retreat to during the night for guaranteed sleep. I often go in there between feeds to grab two hours or so. DD and I also co sleep about half the night, just the two of us. Learning to feed lying down has really saved my
sanity.

I have some postnatal anxiety as well, sleep deprivation really exacerbates it. The most helpful thing for me is fresh air everyday and meditation. Meditation is often a struggle though, even though I've been doing it for years. But the impact is noticeable. If meditation sounds too woo then cbt can also be helpful.

Between co sleeping and having a retreat to the spare room between feeds I get an average of about 5 hours a night, which alright. I also nurse lying down in bed when at home so get to doze s bit here and there through the day. Even if I don't sleep, just lying down, switching off, closing my eyes and cuddling DD is restful.

I hope you can get some help and support and that the sleep improves...take care.

hairytale Fri 21-Sep-12 20:35:14

Thank you mitsouko. That sounds like a good

hairytale Fri 21-Sep-12 20:36:09

plan.

I try to meditate but it's hard finding time and concentrating.

Mitsouko Fri 21-Sep-12 21:28:00

I just wish I had a magic solution for non-sleeping babies...really I do!

With meditation, I think it's important to remember that it's the effort that counts. Even if you have a hard time concentrating, and your mind is flooded with thoughts, just the deep breathing and active relaxation will rewire the brain so to speak. I often get distracted during meditation with random thoughts and brain chatter - I think everyone does. But you just let it go - or try to. But finding the time is hard with a baby. It's hard to find a moment to yourself. But for me, just 10-15 minutes twice a day done over a week or so makes a noticeable difference on my mental health.

Seriouslysleepdeprived Fri 21-Sep-12 21:50:22

Have you tried a hypnosis download? I put a sleep one on my iPod & listen To it at night. Helps me focus much more if I have someone reminding me tone aware of my breath or whatever.

Cydonia Sat 22-Sep-12 04:45:08

Indith do you think your DS could be teething? My DS was the same with hitting himself, rubbing ears and he kept clawing at his nose, his face was always covered in little marks. His sleep started to go downhill at the same time, 12 weeks. He's now 17 weeks and has two bottom front teeth! And this week has started to go for longer periods of sleep, we just had 4 1/2 hrs for the first time in weeks!!
He is still rubbish at daytime naps though and now has my cold which hasn't helped. I tried a wee bit of tough love with him the other night, after the 3rd waking I didn't believe he was hungry so tried leaving him, then just holding him, but he just screamed and screamed so I gave in after half an hour and fed him. ( soft! )
It has worked during the day a couple of times though this week. I've put him down in his pram carry cot just while I eat, wash, go to loo etc, not expecting him to settle. Then after a couple of minutes of whinging ( not full on crying ) he's gone quiet and when I check him he's asleep! Sadly this is a rare occurrence though. Today he just had about five very short ( less than half an hour ) naps. Other days he might have one longer one. I give up trying to get him to sleep during the day and just let him go with the flow, which I know is probably wrong but saves my sanity. I don't even have any other children so have no excuse, but my baby doesn't want to follow a daytime routine so I'm not going to force him!
Sorry, am rambling, he's just finished feeding now so sleepy time for me....

Cydonia Sat 22-Sep-12 04:46:20

Just to clarify I meant 4 and a half hours, not 4 x half hours, that would be rubbish!

hairytale Sat 22-Sep-12 09:27:25

Yes my affirmation tape is a good idea I did it yesterday and it helped.

I will try it once a day from now in.

Last night I co-slept and my DP slept in spare room and baby slept from 10pm til 4.30 then til 7.30 - I feel a lot better!

Mitsouko Sat 22-Sep-12 19:15:06

Hairytale really glad you got some rest and are feeling better.

DD was on half hourly wake ups last night. Left DH and I both shattered. Hoping and praying for an easier time tonight. Please oh please!

notwoo Sat 22-Sep-12 20:39:19

Don't want to tempt fate but we seem to be comig out of the other side of the poo fiasco. No poos in the night for the last couple of nights and 'only' 3 or 4 in the days.

Even got 6 hours straight sleep the night before last for the first time in months.

Hope everyone else's sleep improves soon too

Indith Sun 23-Sep-12 20:39:35

Hurrah for those with better sleep and sympathy for those without.

After yet another night of waking every 20 mins or so I have thrown in the towel. I'd be able to cope if I could roll over and latch him on but unless he is actually hungry he doesn't feed and just fusses.

There is nothing apparent that is wrong at the moment. No teeth to be seen, no cold, poo is normal, solids going down well, he has cracked forward motion, no other new tricks coming yet so it is tough luck baby boy. While he was growth spurting I'd bring him down to feed in the evenings and while all wired and learning to crawl he was coming down when waking in the evening too as he'd scream upstairs so we are stopping that no there is no reason for it. He is staying in his cot and being sung to or patted or whatever. So giving comfort, being there, just not bringing him down. Fingers crossed it will have some effect! So far today he was shattered (because he only sleep for around an hour a day total spread over 2 or 3 naps) so he fed to sleep at 7 and went down. He woke at 7.40 and screamed at dh for half an hour. Dh is sleeping in the spare room tonight since he needs to be at least half alert for work so I am on my own unless I really need the help.

Cydonia Mon 24-Sep-12 01:13:37

Good luck, hope you're successful!

Indith Mon 24-Sep-12 08:24:02

Well that wasn't too bad I suppose. I fed every 3 hours, I'm a softie and no way could I make him go from feeding constantly to not at all. He was fairly settled with just a bit of patting until around 3 then did the 99% asleep but tossing around and starting at things until 6.30 then he fell into a nice settled sleep again but sadly I had to get up at 6.45. I woke him up at 8 as he usually needs a while to wake up before his morning feed and that needs to happen before I take the boy to school! Fingers crossed for tonight.

Seriouslysleepdeprived Mon 24-Sep-12 09:38:56

That sounds better indith smile

DS woke loads last night as he keeps rolling on to his tummy & getting stuck. when do they start being able to roll back?! Spend the night going in & turning him over. Brought him into bed around 5am & he slept through til 7.30am. He woke me up sticking his fingers up my nosegrin

Suchanamateur Mon 24-Sep-12 14:41:33

The rolling was a disaster for me but it may work for you... DD took a few weeks after she learnt to roll to tummy to roll to back. That few weeks were bliss because she's a tummy sleeper and I decided to just let her when she did it herself. Unfortunately once she learnt to roll to back, she constantly rolls to her back and then thinks its time to play. But you may find that quite soon yr DS may get used to his tummy and find magical sleep.

We travelled back from holiday last night and had a hideous night with both DCs. I also brought her into bed this morning and was enjoying a lovely cuddly snooze until DS yelled 'wake up mummy. Want to poo' in my ear. Nothing like an early morning poo wake up call to start your week.

Seriouslysleepdeprived Mon 24-Sep-12 20:26:12

He did sleep on his tummy the other night & slept through til 4.30! I was really nervous though & went to check him every two hours blush

Indith Mon 24-Sep-12 21:13:55

Urgh I hate rolling. Ds1 slept on his back, still does. Flat out like he is dead. Whe I check on him (bear in mind he is 5 and a half so I should stop being paranoid really) I have to poke him to see if he is alive as he is so quiet. Dd was always a tummy sleeper, right form birth she NEVER, EVER settled on her back. EVER. I spent hours trying til I gave up. She still sleeps on her tummy and snores her head off and thrashes around. I always know she is alive grin. When she started rolling it was hideous. Even more hideous than her hideous sleep. She'd do press ups and scream then roll and scream. hmm.

Ds2 sleeps on his side/half on his tummy. He gets very cross if he rolls onto his back. Why is there always such a long time delay between the ability to roll and the realisation that this means they can bloody well roll back again and roll around til they find a comfy way to sleep. Ds2 if you roll to your back don't scream just roll to your side again and shit your bloody eyes!

So far tonight just one waking, patted back to sleep by dh in a couple of minutes.

Seriouslysleepdeprived Mon 24-Sep-12 22:14:49

Well done. We've had two wake up's here already, plus the most enormous poo you've ever seen. Had to cut his clothes off & emergency bath him... 'twas huge!

ballroompink Mon 24-Sep-12 22:28:48

DS is 19w and has been so up and down with his sleep for a month now. I thought we may be coming out of it as he had a handful of nights doing 8pm to between 4:30 and 6am then a feed followed by another couple of hours, but last night we had wake-ups from 11-12, 1:15, 3:45, 6:15: argh!

Also, what is WITH the farting? It wakes him up and stops him from settling.

Suchanamateur Tue 25-Sep-12 07:05:08

Grim night here. Slightly better bedtimes but paying for it in the night. Why can't more than one thing be ok at a time??

Indith Tue 25-Sep-12 07:20:08

Well my baby woke at 10pm full of snot so that's the patting to sleep out of the window for a bit. Dh escaped to the spare room again and me and snotty shared a bed.

ballroompink Thu 27-Sep-12 09:24:16

Good night Tuesday (7:45-3:30, 5-7:50) but last night we were back to waking every two hours again! Wind and teeth were the culprits this time. Anyone else really envy people whose DCs wake at the same times each night?

artifarti Thu 27-Sep-12 09:48:42

Have been lurking but not posting for a few days but DS2 has gone from bad to worse. I think I had about 2.5 hours sleep last night; he is just using me as a human dummy every time he wakes up (every 1-2 hours).

Indith - how long did it take for the sh/patting to work. I remember doing it successfully with DS1 but if I try with DS2 it doesn't work at all - I've tried sitting with him for up to an hour (not always crying, sometimes quiet, sometimes playing). Do I need to try for longer to begin with, do you think?

Indith Thu 27-Sep-12 11:49:42

Well arti we didn't get long of doing it because ds2 is now full of snot and teething agan!

What I did though was a very very rapid pat on his back and if he thrashed around and turned I just patted his tummy instead because I want him t find his own comfy sleeping position. That is the hardest part I think, not picking him up and turning him over etc in the cot all the time or fishing him out of the corner. I do the rapid patting then when he calms down leave my hand there. If he stays calm take it away and wait a couple of mins to make sure he is asleep. If he starts wriggling and complainaing again I start patting straight away. First night he screamed at dh for half an hour but dh was pratting around singling twinkle twinkle and stuff. He has not cried at me for more than 5 mins doing the patting.

I don't know how much effect it will have though since we've not done it for long before the cold hit so we've not cut any waking yet, just have a way of getting him to sleep that doesn't involve feeding. Which is rather good since he was getting cross with me for trying to feed him when he wasn't hungry! Still feeding to sleep at bedtime, have yet to see about putting him down awake.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Thu 27-Sep-12 15:49:10

Can I join? DD is 10months and has apparetnly been going through the 9month sleep regression for 6weeks. Finally figured out she doesn't need feeding in the night but she's gone from realiably waking at 5am and feeding/cuddling to sleep to now howling the house down at 1am - took til 3:30am last night to get her to sleep. I think nap refusal is early dropping of her first nap but of course when she wakes in the night she practises crawling, pulling herself up, clapping her goddamn hands....endless

Even worse that like OP, her brother had been sleeping through for 2months by this age.

I'm so BORED of not having a full night's sleep....

Cydonia Thu 27-Sep-12 23:01:15

Well we're about 6 weeks into this nonsense and after a brief spell of hope it's actually getting worse! DS used to sleep at least 3 hours after being put to bed, he's now introduced a new wake up time of about 10.30pm ( usually goes to bed about 8.30pm ) He's teething too which isn't helping.
I have tried getting him to settle without being fed, also using 'shush pat' but it rarely works. After last nights attempt, where he screamed in my arms for 15 minutes before I caved in and fed him, I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he is hungry after all. He's only 18 weeks after all, if he's still like this once I've started weaning him I'll have to rethink the plan!

Currently feeling guilty as I hadn't noticed the batteries had gone in the monitor, when I realised I dashed to check him and he was awake and crying sad I just hope he hadn't been like that for long, am telling myself if he'd really been screaming I would have heard him. Poor thing, what a rotten mother. Maybe we should have splashed out on a fancy video monitor after all instead of borrowing a very basic one.

Seriouslysleepdeprived Fri 28-Sep-12 08:20:56

I woke a couple of nights ago to find the monitor off & DS crying. I felt terrible. Poor little guy didn't know what was going on. He was totally stuck on his tummy at the bottom of the cot. sad

There's a big growth spurt between 14-19 weeks, so that's no doubt the culprit. I found them all awful but that one especially bad. I don't think DS slept at all for about 10 days!

Rubbish night here. Seem to be coming down with a cold. Feel rubbish this morning. DH has been away all week and I cannot wait for him to come home!

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Fri 28-Sep-12 09:09:55

DH being utterly useless and a) didn't give DD her dream feed b) is playing on his fucking online game so loudly it's waking her up. It's one thing me dealing with all the nighttime bollocks if it's because he has to be up for work, quite another if he's just up late and being a PITA.

angry

Afritutu Fri 28-Sep-12 15:42:58

I never heard Of this sleep regression thing until this thread!! We never had it with dd1. She was a complete bugger in the evenings and never properly 'went to bed' until way after 10pm, but then from 4 months she would sleep through to 6 or 7 am. It had taken years to bring bedtime forward. Now at nearly age 3 it is 8.30-9ish. But when asleep, she stayed asleep u less ill.
Dd2? No chance. Out like a light at 7pm (hurray, I have evenings, or at least some time alone with dd1). But at 6 months, and on 3 meals a day for over a month, she still wakes from midnight onwards. Typically at least 2 feeding sessions, and additional settling, dummy in, rocking, in the bed with us etc. she has never ever 'slept through'. And I do 't expec her to any time soon. She barely sleeps in the day either, what is it with these babies???

Cydonia Fri 28-Sep-12 16:18:08

Oh no Seriously, not another bloody growth spurt?!
I'm actually thinking of getting him checked for tongue tie ( posted about this in feeding ) as I think he has a lot of the signs, but I could just be clutching at straws.

artifarti Fri 28-Sep-12 16:36:21

Cydonia - my DS1 had tongue tie. What makes you think he might have it? DS1 took ages to feed, made me sore and dribbled milk everywhere when he fed. Will look at your other post.

Indith Fri 28-Sep-12 16:55:18

Cydonia sounds rough. It is the slipping and losing the latch that could suggest something going on. It is definitely worth asking for a specialist to have a look. Is there a LaLecheLeague perspn near you at all? They can often be a good starting point.

You know the more I find out about tongue tie the more I think dd is. It certainly explains how bad she was to feed. shame I didn't know about it back then. As she got bigger feeding did settle but when smaller her latch was too shallow, she struggled, we all screamed and cried. She even had the tell tale clicking but nobody picked it up.

wish these bloody teeth would come through. poor me ds2.

Cydonia Fri 28-Sep-12 19:13:59

I'd never thought of tongue tie before as didn't think he had the symptoms, but the more I read the more of it applies to him. I'm not sure though, as a lot of the signs could be other things too. It's just recently that I've got sore and only on one side, and his feeding pattern has changed too. He's going through a lot at the moment as is teething and really changing in himself too, so much more alert and active - just watching him concentrating on grabbing his foot as I type!
Think my first port of call will be BF group on thursday ( hope my nipples can hold out til then! ) and see from there. Nothing's simple is it?!

Indith Fri 28-Sep-12 19:30:08

Nope never!

It is always best to have a chat with someone and get it checked out though. It can never hurt. Teeth can cause latch problems too of course as it can hurt to feed so they try to latch in a different way and then the tooth comes through and thye don't quite know what to do with it. It normally calms down after a bit and you jsut have to be really good at making sure they are latched on properly like when they were newborn! I find with mine that going back to latching with hand supporting shoulders etc newborn style (I imagine now you probably just hold him in the crook of your arm?) helps as it encourages the head to tip back for a nice wide mouth.

scaryg Fri 28-Sep-12 19:55:43

Another one with a sleep regression... DD has just turned 9mths and used to go to bed about 6pm quite reliably (feed to sleep) but wake every 2 hours for a feed. Now she has a nap at 6pm wakes 20-30minutes later all happy chappie and then goes to sleep proper about 8pm (last night it was after 9pm). I dont mind the 2 hourly feeding (I cosleep) its the later bedtime and not having any time to myself in the evening that's starting to nark me off...

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Sun 30-Sep-12 02:51:01

DD always seems to know when I'm about to start sleep training (again) and makes it twice as hard as normal to get her settled. Bored of no sleep....

Suzymum100 Thu 18-Oct-12 04:04:16

7 weak old premature. Drug dependant baby. Only sleeps 3/4hrs at a time sad shattered.com
Am fostering him and he is adorable but omg 2 feeds a night for the last 6 Weaks. Am losing the will to live here

Yamyoid Thu 18-Oct-12 04:55:45

6 month old dd has decided to be wide awake right now. Rather than her usual waking for a feed every 2 hours.

Sorry not read whole thread but shock there's an 8 month sleep regression? nooooooo!! So, have just learnt that this could be over in a month's time, only to start again a month later. I give up.

Seriouslysleepdeprived Thu 18-Oct-12 08:15:03

suzy a prem 7 week old shouldn't go longer than 3-4 hours between feeds. Their tummies are still tiny. Knackering but necessary.

Well done for fostering, it's something I would love to do one day. sad about the drug dependency. I've worked in addiction services & it broke my heart.

DS woke pretty much two hourly from 6 weeks to 5/6 months, with all the growth spurts. Have you seen The Wonder Weeks Really brilliant for keeping your sanity!!

Mine has just hit 5 months and has gone from sleeping through to up every two hours demanding application of boob to mouth.

Not that she slept through for very long but... <wail> I was getting used to it! She is coldy and teethy at moment so that might be it but crikey I hope this passes soon.

(The next person to suggest she needs solids will be belted)

By the way... Indith, are you a Castlewoman? <cryptic>

Babygedon Mon 22-Oct-12 05:52:31

Hi have just been reading this thread , my ds is just 8 months and for the last few weeks his sleep has deteriorated , he has never slept for longer than 3.5 hrs in a block since birth , however recently he has begun waking every 1.5 hrs, he is ebf, and wants to latch when he wakes, he eats good portions of food approx 3 times day and does not fed that much off me any more in the day, but at night we can be getting up 5/6 times a night for mini feeds, just the last few days he has been getting up at 5 am , he used to sleep till 7am , I'm finding the whole lack of sleep quite soul destroying , tried all sorts to resolve nothing works, dh does not agree with cc and I also would find it difficult , am hoping this is a 'phase' which he will grow out of but not sure how much longer I can cope with lack of sleep, I thought it was just my baby that did this all my friends baby's sleep through

Resurrecting this thread again after a crappy night with 14 week old farting, wriggling, lifting up legs and smacking them down WWF-style DD. She was happily doing 6 hour stretches most nights until the damn 12 week development leap but I cannot help but think this is the 4 month regression come early. Co sleeping is getting more and more difficult as she just wriggles so much and every time I put her down she wakes up now.... Please come back all of you and give an update - are things getting better? Any new things you have discovered?

Seriouslysleepdeprived Sun 28-Oct-12 21:51:44

I hate to say it but DS woke around seven times a night from around 12-20 weeks due to all the developmental stuff. Was a total nightmare. Co-sleep if you can, sleep when they sleep. It started improving on its own thankfully from 21 weeks on. Was waking once a night until he got sick with colds etc, so it does get better! smile

Cydonia Mon 29-Oct-12 09:42:19

Gail - my DS started waking every 1-2 hours around the same time. I was gutted to discover the whole sleep regression thing as I had my hopes pinned on him magically sleeping through at 12 weeks!
He's 22 weeks now and generally just up twice a night for a feed then back to sleep. Which isn't ideal but is progress! He's also settled down a lot in general but is teething too so I don't expect him to sleep through just yet.
I don't really have any advice, I'm just going with the flow really. You know your own baby best, sometimes I can settle DS without a feed but sometimes he's obviously hungry. I've stuck to a bedtime routine roughly around the same time each night ( but flexible depending on his mood and his last nap ) which I think helped him to go to sleep quicker and easier, as we did go through a phase of screaming at bed time. I'm moving him into the cotbed in his own room this week as he's outgrowing his crib, I'm hoping this will help me sleep a little better as I won't be disturbed as much by his every squeak!

Someone else might have some better advice but I think the general consensus is that you just have to ride it out! Though for some people it only lasts a couple of weeks, so you never know you might be lucky.

Four wake ups last night and the night before but I have accepted it and am just riding it out! DM is here today and downstairs with her now so I am grabbing the chance for some sleep. This too shall pass.....!

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