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Ok this is it. I have finally had enough. Someone suggest something please

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naswm · 25/07/2006 19:30

I cannot believe I am posting on the sleep thread.

DS1 and DS2 share a room. DS2 wakes between 5.30 - 6am every day. He wakes up crying and disturbs DS1. I have tried leaving him and going to him straight away, but he wont resettle.

They go to bed at a reasonable time. Although it doesnt matter if he is asleep at 7 or 8, DS2 still wakes early. I dont let him have more than an hour during the day either.

We are all exhausted. Neither boy can survive the day as they are just so tired. DS1 starts school in September.

The only option is to separate them, and we are doing all we can to make that happen asap. But I still need DS2 to sleep in later. Any suggestions? I am at my wits end

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SminkoPinko · 25/07/2006 19:31

How old is ds2?

naswm · 25/07/2006 19:32

2.1

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poppiesinaline · 25/07/2006 19:49

He has always woken early, or is it worse since the summer mornings? Maybe he will get better when Autumn comes and the mornings are a bit darker.

TooTicky · 25/07/2006 20:02

My children sleep less in this weather, even though the heat tires them. Does he have a daytime nap?

Posey · 25/07/2006 20:06

Similar problem here and ds is just exhausted. It has coincided with warmer weather though but he wakes around 6 regardless of bed time. So when we are in and we can, he gets put to bed at 6.30.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 25/07/2006 20:11

HAve you got black out blinds in the room? Some children wake due to the light in the room.

PeppermintHippo · 25/07/2006 20:14

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naswm · 25/07/2006 20:20

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DumbledoresGirl · 26/07/2006 08:54

Naswm, my ds2 did this at the same age and also shared with ds1 as your boys do. The annoying thing is, I can't remember what we did about it! Would it break all your principles to go in to him and bring him into your bed thus allowing ds1 to sleep on? I can't specifically remember doing that with my ds2 but I know I have done it at times. If your main concern is allowing ds1 to have his full sleep, you will have to sacrifice your own comfort for him - I know that sounds hard, and it is.

The other things I would say is that it may be he is waking up with the light and he will sleep longer when the autumn comes. Again, my ds2 did, to some extent.

Also, could you try limiting his naptime during the day so he is tireder at night? To begin with, that might not work, but if you persist, you might succeed in changing his sleeping habits.

I have to say though that he might just need less sleep than you think he should have. Ds2 is still the earliest waker in our house. We did go through a period where ds1 kept waking up first and automatically woke up ds2 for company but then their noise woke us up so we taught them both to recognise 7 o'clock on the clock on their bedroom wall (well before either could tell the time properly) and told them there was to be no noise before that time. The amusing thing was, if they slept through and completely missed 7 o'clock, we sometimes used to find them lying like mice at 8 o'clock or even later, waiting for the little hand to get back round to the 7!!!!

naswm · 26/07/2006 08:55

ok, it was 5.20am this morning. He was asleep at 7pm last night (so I know I shouldnt be complaining). He had an hour yesterday in the morning. But he alswys used to do 12 hours at night and an hour in the day. Why wont he sleep til a more reasonable time in the mornings?!!!

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naswm · 26/07/2006 08:57

Thanks DG some good advice there!

Bringing him in to bed is not an option - although I have tried it. As soon as he wakes, he cries and that is it, his day has started. There is no going back to sleep for love nor money

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lazycow · 26/07/2006 08:59

If you find the answer PLEASE let me know -DS has woken later than 5.30am a few times since he was born (20 months ago). Bedtime used to be 6pm as he was so tired, now it is 8pm and his wake up time is still the same. I had 10 days on holiday where he refused to go to sleep until 9/9.30pm every night and by the end of the 10 days was waking before 5am - it gt earlier rather than later. Cutting his nap makes things worse as he gets so tired so early the evenings are a nightmare. Sigh!! - -Sorry no help just deep sympathy

foxinsocks · 26/07/2006 09:02

has he got a drink in bed? like an anyway up cup that won't leak? perhaps you could persuade him to have a big drink when he wakes up - he could be thirsty

other than that, I don't know what to suggest! I have one early waker (ds) who shares with dd (who if left to her own devices would wake up much later). It's only since ds has been old enough to be rewarded/persuaded to stay in bed quietly when he wakes up that he's stopped disturbing her!

DumbledoresGirl · 26/07/2006 09:04

Oh I wasn't suggesting he would go back to sleep if you brought him in with you naswm. I just meant you would get him away from ds1 and allow ds1 to sleep longer.

heavenis · 26/07/2006 09:04

That's 10hrs he's had, I would try cutting down his nap time because with that he's had 11hrs sleep. Maybe do it over a number of days cutting it down by 5mins or so each day.
My ds2 gets up about 630 each day and it doesn't seem to matter if he goes to bed later. Although every few days it catches up with him.
Good luck.

DumbledoresGirl · 26/07/2006 09:07

I think you have a point heavenis. Naswm, if he is getting 11 hours sleep, that is about right for a child of his age, I think.

naswm · 26/07/2006 09:07

lazycow - poor you DS2 has always slept well, so I feel a bit of a fraud compaining about this now. But I am just fed up and tired myself, and also worried about DS1 who is sooooo overtired. (we are making plans to move him into the spare room but that will take some time).

foxinsocks - I put water in his cot when I go to bed, and leave some books in reach.

I suspect there is no answer to this. I shall have to see what happens in the Autumn...

Thanks for all your ideas.

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naswm · 26/07/2006 09:11

x posted

you may have a point about the amount of sleep btw. I have been trying to cut down his day time sleep, but becuase he wakes so early is is desperate for it and then when I try to wake him he is monster child for the rest of the day. It is a vicious circle!

Tomorrow will be the test. DS1 and I are going to a holiday club and so DS2 is booked in to the creche from 9am - 1pm. I cant see him lasting that long without a nap (there are no facillities to sleep there..). So it could be a total disaaster! If he does survive, I may just let him nap iin the car for half an hour on the way home and see how that helps with teh following night.

It's all trial and error isnt it?!

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aaronsmummy · 26/07/2006 09:11

You could be me but DS2 wakes at around 4.30 and ds1 has been falling asleep in class. DD is in another bedroom and have no extra rooms to split the boys. DS1 is due to have an op in a fortnight and am really worried - he will need rest. I have tried Melatonin but am only a week in and have seen no difference so far. Things sucj as Phenergan and Medised I think only work if you have a problem getting your child to sleep initially and also are not really the answer. If you get any good info please share.

heavenis · 26/07/2006 09:16

Like you say it's all trial and error. Ds2 used to be like this when I woke him or brought him in from the car,he would cry for ages.
He is in his own room now and comes and wakes me (not his dad) or goes down stairs if I'm not in bed. Therefore his older brother doesn't get disturbed so much.

naswm · 26/07/2006 09:19

aaronsmummy - poor you Makes me wonder what I am moaning about. Have you got any support from family or friends to help with DS2 while DS1 recovers from his op??

(I dont know your situation at all, but I have some experience of kids and ops, so if it would help to share stuff, do let me know. naswm x)

Got to go now, but will check back later. Thanks everyone for your help.

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caffeine · 26/07/2006 09:20

could you go in and get ds2 before he wakes and cries? i have a similar situation, with my dd who wakes before ds and i used to get so frustrated because we'd all end up waking up at 5.30. so now i get up a few minutes before she usually wakes have a coffee then go in and get her. i think to some extent you have to accept that ds2 will wake and as you say does not settle down again, so until he is ready, why not let him wake and take him down for some quiet play? not the answer you were looking for, but at least ds1 is not disturbed.

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BettySpaghetti · 26/07/2006 09:25

My DS (same age as yours) is waking earlier than usual at the moment, although admittedly not as early as yours.

I think part of it is due to the heat, bright mornings etc. However we have had limited success some mornings by putting a toy in his cot for him to find when he wakes up -after a little play he went back to sleep. Also try putting a drink of water in for him as they do seem very thirsty in the mornings.

Failing that, just keep reassuring yourself with that old mantra "its just a phase......."

aaronsmummy · 26/07/2006 11:35

It's a small but embarrassing op and he is only 7 bless him. Any help at all would be great. DS2 asd so ds1 feels a little pushed out as it is - needlessly I might add lol.

naswm · 26/07/2006 17:49

Well, I had a brainwave. Very rare occurance for me. But I have removed the side from DS2s cot, so if he wakes really early (if?) he can get out of bed and come in to me without waking DS1. Well that is the theory anyway. He has never slept in a bed, or a cot without a side, so he may fall out every hour and it could be a complete disaster, but I thought I'd try it. (Me, desperate?!).

I only let him sleep for half an hour this morning. Consequently he is soooooooooooo tired now. And nearly fell asleep over his tea, but I didnt let him. I shall put him to bed as usual and see what happens... Watch this space.

Hi aaronsmummy. Has your DS1 had an operation before? My two have had quite a few now between them, but to be going in for his first at 7 is prob quite daunting poor thing. There are lots of good books arouond about nerves etc. You should have time to track a few down from the lilbrary. Re your DS2 at the time, do you have a support system in place to help with him? I am very fortunate in that whenever mine have been in hospital my mum has taken time off work to look after the other one (and so been given lots of attention) even though my DH has not been around to be with me as much as I'd have liked. Sleep will be completely disturbed in hsoptial and when you get home after too. I would say just carry on as you are for now, and when DS1 has recovered from the op, then you can think about tacking the sleep issues..... Hope some of that helps. Do ask anything else naswm x

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