Cranial Osteopath in London recommend

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moonprayer Fri 14-Jun-13 13:33:22

Hi, could anyone recommend a good Cranial Osteopath in London? I want to try on my 5.5mo DS. He had a difficult birth and hasn't settled yet. He has been quite windy since birth. Now his little tummy seems to be full of trapped wind and his poop is always explosive (sorry for the details). I've tried gripe water, colief... neither seemed to work... If this still doesn't work, I would probably go to a doctor to have a proper food intolerance/allergic test... sad poor little one... he's been always a cute lovely boy, so I feel even more guilty for him as all his discomfort seems to be my fault...

moonprayer Sun 16-Jun-13 08:21:39

Wingdingdong, thank you for sharing your experience. It sounds amazing and I am really happy for you and your DD that everything turned to be all right now. bless her!

moonprayer Sun 16-Jun-13 04:21:32

dev9aug, GP said DS had mild reflux but just suggested to wean earlier but slowly just with baby rice, which I am doing. It helps a bit with his splitting-up, but doesn't make his trapped wind problem any better. But glad to hear that you found what was going wrong and your DC got all settled. I wish I could be a more competent mum and know what the problem is with my poor DS.

amazingmumof6 Sun 16-Jun-13 04:11:27

good plan, happy to help with practical stuff if you need! I mean it!

moonprayer Sun 16-Jun-13 04:08:42

Hi, thank you all. I really appreciate everyone as I know it's all because you care about my DS. Austen, I won't delay any proper medical attention to my DS. Actually I've made a lot of trips to my GP. But most of the time it didn't help at all. Like amazingmumof6 said, they always say he will grow out of it or just prescribe some random medicine. Finally GP has just referred me to a paed last week, but who knows when I can actually see the doctor. Now he is 5.5mo, and it's jus painful to see him pushing gas out of his little tummy day and night, which really disturbs his sleeping. That's why I want to try osteo and see whether it will make some difference, as It seems to work for some cases according to many people's experience. I am not an expert at all, but even science itself is still developing and there are so many things it cannot explain. I am just fairly open to a the solutions rather than just waiting and watching my DS in pain.If it still doesn't work, I will go to private paed sooner rather than waiting weeks for an NHS one.
And thank you amazingmumof6, I got your msg and will make the call. Finger crossed it could work!

Sheshelob Sat 15-Jun-13 21:18:11

Anyone who is part of BOA is certified, so their website is a good place to start.

Cranio- sacral is different from Cranial Osteopath.

CinnabarRed Sat 15-Jun-13 21:10:33

Ah - that thread's in Chat and is called Osteopath's for babies anyone. Several London recommendations too.

Gooseysgirl Sat 15-Jun-13 20:15:41

Also if you google OneAddison (Addison Rd, Wanstead) there is an osteopath that comes recommended by a friend of mine.

CinnabarRed Sat 15-Jun-13 20:13:14

There's a thread in children's health at the moment that you should definitely check out.

I'm on the phone so can't type it all out, but basically there's a massive difference between an osteopath who has cranial experience, and a cranial osteopath

Osteopaths have to train for a minimum of 5years, are a recognised branch of the medical profession and are fully regulated.

In contrast, anyone at all can call themselves a cranial osteopath and be entirely unregulated - because the title isn't protected.

So by all means give it a go - just make sure you go to a trained, insured and regulated osteopath, and not a "cranial therapist" or similar.

Good luck.

Gooseysgirl Sat 15-Jun-13 20:11:48

Bruce Dyson at Wanstead Dental and Health Centre 24 High St, Wanstead... not far from you in South Woodford! We took DD to him when she was 3 weeks old as she had mild colic. There was a definite improvement after treatment, she had 3 sessions altogether.

valiumredhead Sat 15-Jun-13 20:09:45

YY the sunshine clinic, that's the name of it!

Wingdingdong Sat 15-Jun-13 20:09:07

Ps just realised that the Sunflower Centre in Brockley must be the Hilly Fields, SE London one valiumredhead referred to - and the baby clinic she mentioned is the one run by Aidan Spencer. DS is now 15m, haven't been since he was 8m, but Aidan was definitely still there then, and he's been there for years.

Wingdingdong Sat 15-Jun-13 20:04:39

The cranial osteopath we took DD to is Aidan Spencer. He praticises and tutors at the OCC in Wandsworth but we saw him at the Sunflower Centre in Brockley. However, he also practises in Romford which may be easier for you.
www.colindovepractice.co.uk/romford-osteopaths/aidan-spencer

We took DD because we asked 'real medical help' (hospital) for advice when she was a day old, only to be told there wasn't a problem (bollocks there wasn't, the birth notes, which we only got when pregnant with DC2 and having to invoke data protection act, local MP, etc after the hospital refused to release them to the consultant obstetrician at DC2’s birth hospital, showed oxygen deprivation... And the problem that they denied!). Aidan correctly identified the issue, told us what he could help with but also diagnosed the problems that osteopathy wouldn't help and told us we'd need GP referral to physio immediately. He gave us some physio exercises to do and further advice, and wrote a note for the GP too, which she found helpful and accurate and acted upon immediately.

Unfortunately by the time that this happened and we got an appointment with 'real medical help', ie the physio, at the hospital, DD was 12w old, the physio said "why did you wait so long? Did you not notice something was seriously wrong? You have left it too late, your daughter will be deformed for life and it will be your fault, your negligence." I was crying so much I couldn't leave the car park to drive home for about 45 mins.

I called Aidan (the "charlatan", apparently hmm), he reassured me, saw us again immediately, gave me further exercises to do with DD in the meantime and suggested I use my NHS choice rights to ask the GP to transfer DD to physio at a different hospital, which he recommended and with whom he'd worked. This happened, DD had a year of physio, the new physios were brilliant and said that the exercises were spot-on, and that there was definitely hope and I hadn't fucked up DD's life.

All I can say is that if I'd gone with 'real medical help' at the hospital both those occasions, firstly there was no problem and secondly the problem was so big and identified so late that DD wouldn't be able to walk and there was nothing they could do. As it happened, we saw Aidan and DD now has no issues at all. I took DS to see him too, nothing major with him but reflux, tongue tie and feeding issues caused by those two things (muscle tightness, arching, etc) and again Aidan helped significantly and was honest about the extent to which he could manage symptoms but not the cause. The 'real medical help' (another hospital) we got for the tongue tie snip actually recommended cranial osteopathy (and coincidentally, Aidan in particular) immediately after the op but we'd already booked the session with him.

Go for it. Clearly Austenozzy has been lucky enough either to have DC with no problems, or to have access to excellent medical care with no waiting time, and therefore no need to even seek alternatives in the first instance. We probably ended up spending about £200 on DD's treatment. She can walk, has the use of her left arm and a straight spine, as well as a relatively symmetrical face - all things we were told by the first hospital physio were impossible for her. £200 well spent.

dev9aug Sat 15-Jun-13 20:04:28

moonprayer Have they ruled out reflux? At your ds age, ds2 was crying non stop as well. In the end I asked the paed to prescribe Omeprozale for reflux and he has been good as gold. Another thing we also did with consultation with the paed was go dairy free. That made a difference as well as it turned out he had a milk protein allergy which he did grow out of at around 14 months.

By all means, do try the osteopath as well, I am a big fan of cranial osteopathy as I have seen first hand the difference it made with ds1.

dev9aug Sat 15-Jun-13 20:01:48

This is just the thing we have been looking for as well. amazingmumof6, would you mind sending me a pm with the details of the osteopath you use. TIA.

Sheshelob Sat 15-Jun-13 19:57:05

Fair play, Austen.

smile

valiumredhead Sat 15-Jun-13 19:54:40

I used to go to one in Hilly Fields in SE London, this was 5 years ago so might not be there now but I saw 2 people there and both were amazing. They also did a clinic for babies.

austenozzy Sat 15-Jun-13 19:52:01

And I know a few pubs in Twickers that you can try afterwards! :-)

austenozzy Sat 15-Jun-13 19:51:19

Fair enough, point taken. What I was really trying to get across was that the OP shouldn't delay medical attention in order to pursue the alternative routes; that's where the 'no harm in it' argument fails, no matter how passionate you may be in osteo/chiro/whatever. No reason she shouldn't book up appointments at both.

I didn't mean to upset anyone, sorry if I did. Just trying to save the op a few bob and a lot of worry.

Sheshelob Sat 15-Jun-13 19:45:46

It is pushy and dickish to come onto a thread and repeatedly put info that hasn't been asked for.

I don't want to derail this any more than you already have.

Good luck, OP. The Maris Practice in Twickenham is brilliant.

smile

austenozzy Sat 15-Jun-13 19:33:16

lol, funny! not trolling, trying to (a) help the op not waste money and (b) get real medical help for her young baby.

Just because I'm the only one talking sense on a thread doesn't make me a pushy dickhead!

austenozzy Sat 15-Jun-13 19:31:46

Just realised you may have thought I was calling your posts BS - I wasn't, I was calling the woo treatments BS. Sorry if that caused confusion.

Sheshelob Sat 15-Jun-13 19:30:42

I have a fully functioning pushy dickhead radar, by the way.

Sheshelob Sat 15-Jun-13 19:29:20

Stop trolling, Austen.

The OP didn't ask IF she should try cranial - she asked for recommendations.

austenozzy Sat 15-Jun-13 19:25:08

Sorry you feel that I've insulted you (I didn't, and all the ad hominems have come from you), but nothing I've said is untrue or unfair. Osteo and Chiro are not based on anything remotely medically plausible and all proper tests on their efficacy have shown them to be no better than placebo, like that other plague, homeopathy.

Sounds like you need a better real doctor, tbh.

OP: More on craniosacral - even osteos say it's nonsense:
www.skepdic.com/craniosacral.html

amazingmumof6 Sat 15-Jun-13 17:26:15

that is incredibly insulting, unfair and untrue.

like any other profession there bound to be some people who are rubbish at their jobs, but as they have to get their license renewed every year these people will be vetted out.
and word of mouth works both ways!

but I'm glad you never had any problems that could not be sorted by the GP.

we have and thankfully we had the right person to help us.

I need no research - the osthepathic treatments we received over the years always had a positive effect, there's no better research then witnessing pain go away and body restored to better functioning.

you are in no position to discredit what I say. I know what we've been going through.

my osteopath knows what he is doing and I highly recommend him to anyone.

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