Please help me tackle early waking! (21mo)

(37 Posts)
sleepcrisis Sun 17-Mar-13 19:08:16

DS has started waking at 530 with the dawn chorus. We have recently moved to an area where there are a lot I birds! He used to wake at 7, then 645, then 615 and now this big jump to 530. I wouldn't mind so much if he wasn't so grumpy by mid morning.

I am wondering if there is something I can do with his routine. His room is pretty dark, I don't think I could block out any more light.

He currently goes to sleep around 7. I sometimes try for 630-645 if he's had an early or short nap.

He usually naps for 1hr 15 mins anywhere between 12-2pm. Usually he drops off over his lunch around midday. The last few days he's been sleeping closer to 2 hrs which I guess he is using to catch up on night time sleep. I always make sure he's awake by 2pm or he won't go down at bedtime.

I can't just go in at 530 and tell him to go back to sleep. He'd scream if I left the room. I have to stroke him to sleep at bedtime (yawn) so I've definitely won't self settle a 530am.

Help! Please!

lookout Sat 30-Mar-13 08:02:38

Silly phone. Three to four times a nightgrin

lookout Sat 30-Mar-13 08:01:14

I mentioned briefly up thread that I had a sleep consultant give us a hand in October last year to tackle ds 2 not sleeping through. Within three nights this baby who had been waking the to for times a night bite sleepy through without fail! She had given me a plan to try and cure the early waking. We are on day two. Day one he woke at half seven! Today not as good, ten past six, but still a vast improvement on five am! We have four days to go, and she is adamant this will work! Will let you knowsmile

nellyjelly Mon 25-Mar-13 20:35:34

IME nothing works. DD used to wake from 5 am onwards but once she started school she just seemed to start to sleep later. I think it just comes with more maturity. DS is 2 and he is 5.30 onwards. I have just learned to live with it. I go to bed at 9pm most nights and drink lots of coffee. Have a Costa loyalty card!

omama Mon 25-Mar-13 20:29:50

and just a though - clocks change at the weekend so you wouldn't even have to push everything later as it'll happen automatically!

omama Mon 25-Mar-13 20:19:30

op - when my ds woke early at around that age (which he did for a very long time), our magic cure was to push his nap gradually later. Doing it for a few days won't do anything, you need to do it slowly (15mins/week) & consistently for several weeks before you will see a real improvement. At your ds's age I would say 1pm is a good naptime to aim for.

As you shift the nap later he may well need his bedtime shifting slightly later too, assuming he continues to take a 2hr nap. With a 1pm nap I would aim for around 8pm. You might cringe at the thought of 8pm BT but I've found I've had to accept as my ds got older that he is only going to sleep 10.5-11hrs at night while he still naps, & that means if I want him up at 6.30-7am he needs to go to bed at 8pm. If he goes any earlier, he will be up early.

The only alternative to the later BT is to limit the nap to say 1hr instead, but my ds was so foul after a capped nap & woke multiple times through the night from being overtired, so I had no choice but to accept a longer nap & slightly shorter night. It completely worked for us, we've never suffered with EW since I did this & ds (now 2.7) regularly wakes between 7-9am.

er1507 Mon 25-Mar-13 18:42:58

My 20mo dd is exactly the same. Same nap times and length. Same rise time and we have birds. She was actually stirring around 5.45 the other morning a few birds started tweeting que dd to shoot up and start shouting "biiiiiiiirrds. Biiiiirrrrrds. Mum mum biiiiiiiiiirds" I wake up wishing I had a gun to shoot them!

Disclaimer...I would never actually shoot ANYTHING.

forcedinsomnia Mon 25-Mar-13 17:12:42

Ditto to most of these posts.....0430-0530 most days. Was 0600 this morning and did nothing different though. Watching with interest!! Ps he is a totally crap daytime napper unless at home in his cot and in total silence. Wakes if his dad farts downstairs!!! Could this be a link??

Daisy17 Mon 25-Mar-13 09:51:41

That crossing out thing didn't work, did it?! blush

Daisy17 Mon 25-Mar-13 09:50:22

Soultrain, snap! Esp about the feeling like he could do with more sleep but just can't switch off again. I think it's just him too. It's certainly me! Those whose littlies have grown out of it - when?! Am very lucky as am a teacher on holiday now, sending DS to nursery as normal today so I can --catch up on mn--have a long siesta.....

lookout Sun 24-Mar-13 18:15:41

sleepcrisis I've heard people have had success with those stick on blackout blinds, and had wondered if it would make a difference. So glad you are getting more sleep, what a result! May try it myself.

2kidsintow Sun 24-Mar-13 17:51:56

On the plus side.... clocks go forward next week, so a littlun that now wakes at half 5 will actually be waking at half 6.

On the downside, the mornings will continue to get lighter. Which might undo things.

Blackout blinds.
Move beds/cots across the room away from the window to cut down on dawn chorus noise.
Persistant "no, it's still sleep tim"
and a slightly later bedtime?

sleepcrisis Sun 24-Mar-13 17:41:56

Hi, sorry I haven't been back in a while. Just thought I'd let you know we've had some success this week. I got so for up that I put gaffa tape all the way around his black out blind and it is totally pitch black. He now sleeps until anywhere between 6 and 7, so a big improvement. This morning he woke at 545, chatted for 5mins and then slept until 8am!!! Seriously it is like a cave in there but who cares. It wouldn't be an option though if you have beautiful wooden windows...

SoulTrain Sun 24-Mar-13 07:46:42

Staggers in....confused

Can I join for a moan? DS 22 months and is standard time s 4:55am. We change his (usually soaked) nappy, offer him some milk and reset his music that he goes to sleep beautifully with at 7pm...I'd say one morning a week, he'll go back to sleep and that's usually a day we both have work hmm. About 4 nights a week he wakes in the night and we repeat the same as the morning wake up but he goes instantly back to sleep. We're exhausted.

We've tried later bedtimes, earlier bedtimes, bigger nappies (he goes to sleep in the biggest Pampers size, his room is dark, he's warm...as a previous poster said, I genuinely believe its just him. He's looking for a sleep by 10 but we drag it out until lunchtime and then he can sleep up to 3 hours!!! shock We never let him past 3pm, I wonder if a shorter sleep would help? He does seem tired for bed at 7pm though and selfishly I am not prepared to "miss out both ends" at the chance of an evening to myself if he's going to continue to wake so early. We also use the chance frequently at weekends to sleep ourselves in the day when he does blush....how old does everyone think they need to be to realistically have a chance with the sleep clock? He's 22 months but not talking. I feel his level of comprehension is excellent but maybe not good enough to understand that? He's not wailing when he wakes up, just being noisy and calling me, moaning, throwing stuff about. I sometimes feel he genuinely can't go back to sleep even if he'd like to - he's stuck in "had quite a bit of sleep/bit tired/not tired enough for more but will be in a couple of hours" territory. I'm rambling aren't I?

Coffee anyone? brew

hazeyjane Sat 23-Mar-13 05:56:45

good morning, bleary eyed early risers, drinking my first coffee of the day (keep it in a thermos cup, by the computer!) whilst ds cuddles in and watches Fireman Sam.

It is hard, and I remember with dd2 thinking it would never end, but it did, and she is my best sleeper now (dd1 (7) has always been appalling, she sleeps ok now, but is a sleepwalker, so has to be got back into bed in the night!)

Have any of you tried 'wake to sleep' (there are several old threads about it, if you put 'wake to sleep' into advanced search), it didn't work for us, but I know it worked for lots of others, so might be worth a go.

Good luck!

lookout Sat 23-Mar-13 05:47:42

Another early riser here. Ds2 is 18m and wake 5-5.30 and has done since we got him sleeping through the night in October sad he had a period over Christmas when he was waking at half six but didn't last long! It's really very frustrating because he's obviously still tired at that point as I feed him and he kind of doses on the bob for 30 minsangry we got a sleep lady to help us get him through the night and she told us to try resetting his body clock by cutting nap right down and putting him to bed later for three days but we haven't the courage to try it. Need to do something though because it's getting to be debilitatingsad

yellowhousewithareddoor Fri 22-Mar-13 15:06:25

Oh yes. My friends are surprised I'm tired. If you've never been there . . .

Fivemoreminutesmummy Fri 22-Mar-13 13:48:26

We're going through this with DS2 at the minute. 4.55am is his time and it's a killer. DS1 was the same but gradually grew out of it. On a slight tangent, the thing that seems to get to me most is that all my friends have fabulously sleepy children. It makes me feel I'm doing something very wrong which gets me down even more (probably because I'm tired)

Hoping it will pass soon and I can feel human again.

LouBeee Fri 22-Mar-13 07:20:18

DS is 18mo and the gro clock arrives today. It's been 5.30am for a while so we're going to give this a go - will let you know how we get on. I don't necessarily need him to go back to sleep, 30 mins of chatter with teddy would be great - anything that's not "Mama, mama, mama mamaaaaaaaa" at the top of his voice

MortifiedAdams Fri 22-Mar-13 06:22:17

DD is 15mo.amd wakes at 5.30. I.know she isnt ready to wake as she is crying and when we get her up she just sits on our laps for a good hour while she comes.round.

She was waking at 3am and needing re-settling so this is an improvement as at least we get unbroken sleep, but somedays Im at work til 11pm so it males for a long day with no chance of an early night.

yellowhousewithareddoor Fri 22-Mar-13 06:09:50

My older one sleeps until 7. I've so had enough of this. I want to leave her in there or put toys in her cot and get her later but she shares a small room with her sister.

Fairylea Fri 22-Mar-13 06:08:49

I'm sorry this isn't what you want to hear but I've had two early wakers like this and tried everything, done everything, got every book and nothing has made any difference at all except eventually school and them growing out of it!

I do think it's quite normal for young children to wake up naturally at 5/6 am and as painful as it is sometimes all that can be done is an early bedtime - for the parent !

Sigh. I do know how you feel. Dd is now 10 years old and ds is 10 months and both have been early risers, it's exhausting.

motherofvikings Fri 22-Mar-13 06:07:26

Another early riser here too.
Dd is almost 2yo and wakes at 5.30. She has 1h-1h20 nap at 1.00. I've been wondering if shrinking her nap might help, or maybe making her walk to/ from preschool when we collect ds would help. But I'm too tired to implement any change ATM. hmm

Ds did this too and outgrew it eventually. He's 4 (almost) and will sleep till 7 or later if dd doesn't wake him.

yellowhousewithareddoor Fri 22-Mar-13 05:42:57

ARGH!!!!!

hazeyjane Thu 21-Mar-13 19:09:31

dd2 used to wake at 5 every day, for a good year or so, nothing we tried worked. She does sleep until 6/6.30 now (she's 5), she just sort of outgrew it.

Ds (2.8), unfortunately wakes between 4.30 and 5.30, and always has done.

I drink a lot of coffee!

yellowhousewithareddoor Thu 21-Mar-13 18:59:45

I was hoping it was a phase but it seems a common time for early wakers :-( I need to make myself go to bed by 9 really but I've only just got the older one to bed by 8 !

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